Colonel sanders loves the sound of his own voice here... dude wasn’t even attempting to be neutral
@squigglyline2813
2 жыл бұрын
Part of his job is to challenge each debater. Harris may be an eloquent speaker but at the end of the day if more of what he's saying needs challened than Hedges so be it. I know you guys really love cheering on Harris' rhetoric but a lot of it is really flawed. You just don't hear Hedges & Sanders because you agree with Harris already.
@cwjalexx
2 жыл бұрын
@@squigglyline2813 Challenging is one thing, but inserting yourself as a 3rd debater is completely different and that's exactly what colonel sanders did. The fact that you can even say "Hedges & Sanders" shows how biased the 'moderator' was. He wasn't just challenging, he was giving his own arguments. How many times have you heard someone in the audience scream "YOU'RE A MODERATOR" before? That's how egregiously biased he was.
@donovanryan7247
Жыл бұрын
OK the guy did interview Bertrand Russell which is pretty incredible
@Cyborous
Жыл бұрын
@@cwjalexx exactly Challenging and moderating is one thing but when you start chewing up the time of the debaters constantly not just here and there. That I clicked to watch And going on several minute speeches. especially when he’s directing it towards Sam Harris.. and not the other guy. Essentially double teaming Harris, And preventing Harris from answering the other guys question.. yea it gets annoying.
@DesertedSocrates
Жыл бұрын
One of the worst moderators I've seen in years of watching debates and forums.
@alexanderdemontfort3022
10 жыл бұрын
I'm an atheist and I think Hedges is one of the best modern writers and a brilliant public speaker. As I read the comments here, and listen to this debate and others, I see how his, Hedges, intelligent queries and narrative are often converted to straw-man or simply ignored. It is a shame and, intellectually, we are worse off for doing so.
@nonpolygon
6 жыл бұрын
I am also atheist, and I think Hedges understand's America's current crisis better than anyone else.
@kellyowens1868
6 жыл бұрын
I too am an atheist. While listening to the Hedge and his overwrought speaking style, i imagine my toolbox and the rusty implements within. Which dull tool, still capable of firmly gripping things, should I choose to remove everyone of my finger and toe nails. Only a slow, sweet, searing sort of pain will do. The semi- shock state is the only antidote to this inane, and intellectually dishonest man"s ramblings. i can not see how this passion ploy, 5 straight minutes of emotional word salad, dressed with threats of moral guilt. How did a simple, humble idiot he must think me, have a such a clear heavensent vision. Why did some sort of higher, all knowing being choose me to receive his miraculous message. Why must I, a sinner, bring this lesson to you, dear reader. I must relate, my short, but spiritually, earthshaking tale. Moments before i was even drawn to this clip. I, a simple and....what was the? .....dammit!.....oh yea!.......simple and humble.....man, was visited, in my den, by an.....ANGEL.... yes an actual ANGEL!!......I swear...not that kind...the oath kind The ..Angel...... lets call him Mark, ...because that's what he said his name was. He, I think, is the first heavenly being {bearing a message from god, or not} to visit me. I can not swear {the good or bad kind} to this, however, as I often take long naps in the afternoon, and don't always answer the doorbell. I may have missed an angel or two in the past, or any number of other mythical, commandment carriers, of any number faiths, but I was sure it was those increasingly serious/ominous bill collectors again, Alright, back to my visionary visitor, Mark the Angel, ....can I just call him Mark Angel, for the rest of this post? He,[ i think he was a he, i had an uncle Mark before, and he was a he. These days you don't want to assume anyone, is a pitcher or a catcher these days. It's a lot easier if a tranny demands that you call use some bizzare, made-up pronoun. I didn't like being TOLD to use words, against my will, at first. ...BUT,......really, ....I've got better things to do, than trying to guess what gender, a perfectly strange stranger, thinks zer is. My spellcheck says that's not how zim should spell "zer", but how else ya gonna spell "zer" ?.....right? ....like it sounds right? Luckily Mark.........the angel I was telling you about?.......the one who woke me up? .......remember? ..He woke me up..........I fell asleep...in my new easy chair? ....in the den ..... remember? before you got me talkin about the zer, zim, zippity do dah ..bullshit!.... did I get to the message part? ...no ? ...ok.. no! .. that's not even the best part..........wait til I tell you..........what ..GOD thinks about, what that Hedges blowhard, thinks about religion.!! you know? ....we talked about him before ....that hack writer.....you know........the commie hack.....yea I know right? ....there's way too many of 'em now! .....remember when we thought we were done with these dolts?....after everybody read "Gulag...". and the truth about Stalin and the purges came out, and the truth about Lenin and the Purges came out and the truth about Moa and the purges came out, and Pol Pot.... ...and Trotsky and th...oh yea ....he GOT purged! ...that's right...did he get to purge before he got purged?....well that doesn't sound fair! ....I mean in an egalitarian system, where everyone is equal, and society has finally rid itself of the west's capitalist oppressed/oppressor construct, .......you would think,...as a friend and hero of the working classes......is it masses or classes? ..i forget ...no working masses ...that don't sound right......sounds like your tumor is growing really fast, or something....come on .....it wasn't that bad ......it wasn't like it was MALignant? .......eh...you gotta admit? .......what else you gonna do ? ...sittin there...for hours waitin for the damn kemo bag to finish drainin into you..finish drainin you..is more like it.....yea that's what we do ...we try an wright a joke or two to kill the time..........we gotta a rule......jokes, but no puns, we don't do puns...........everbody knows........there's nothin punny........about Kemo......right.....am I right yea...you know I'm right! WHAT?!! you gotta let me finish the angel angle......alright you swear?.....I know you swear........I heard you in the can , at the club last week, ....you should get that looked at,........or what ever they do to things like that, on people like you.......alright..........yea I'll see ya tomorrow........I'll tell ya, what god told me.....yea it can wait. ......hell!.......heaven can wait.... KOut
@sammclean4000
6 жыл бұрын
wow
@sammclean4000
6 жыл бұрын
Someone could do same for the Tooth Fairy, or Krampus. Being able to elucidate your bollocks in an impressive way does not stop it being bollocks
@sammclean4000
6 жыл бұрын
The fact that he is wrong somewhat undercuts his words.
@MakerInMotion
8 жыл бұрын
Sam's composure never ceases to amaze me. That wasn't a debate, it was an ambush. The "moderator" ate up probably half of Sam's time with his yammering. Sam managed to hold his own despite being screwed out of the equal time Colonel Sanders was supposed to make sure he got.
@stackystick5080
8 жыл бұрын
+MakerInMotion His composure is almost the all that he has got. He is style over substance.
@mad1083
6 жыл бұрын
MakerInMotion colonel Sanders 😂😂😂
@rupertgillies447
4 ай бұрын
Sorry, Harris way out of his depth in this debate.
@ASkepticalHumanOnYouTube
9 жыл бұрын
The role of a moderator is to facilitate the debate, not complicate it by interrupting constantly, derailing it by presenting your own ideas in the midst of what could be a fruitful exchange between the two debaters, and spending about as much time talking as your debaters.
@bmxxxxxxxx
8 жыл бұрын
+A Skeptical Human To be fair, Hedges was struggling and needed help.
@azimovist
5 жыл бұрын
The people in the comments referring to Robert Scheer as an "old man" or an "annoying moderator" are exposing their ignorance,willful or otherwise. Editor in Chief Robert Scheer is dedicated to reporting on current issues that are insufficiently covered by mainstream media. The website’s mission is to dig beneath the headlines, provide expert reporting and commentary from a progressive point of view, and offer an outlet for original work by exceptional journalists. Truthdig rests on the bedrock of independent journalism, and insists that their reporting meet the highest standards. He and Publisher Zuade Kaufman are the co- founders of Truthdig This us a debate, Scheer is a participant in it.
@Nejra
11 жыл бұрын
1:16:20 "YOU'RE THE MODERATOR" I dont like people shouting in the public but this guy was right. The moderator should be objective or stfu.
@anaesthesia1549
Жыл бұрын
Harris’s arguments against Islam are so absurd and based on ignorance that even moderator starts feeling the need to shut him up.
@dowhatsright4429
Жыл бұрын
I disagreed, I thought he was awesome. Because he let the people speak when it was their turn but in between would add some context, and it wasn’t like he was just some idiot from CNN he had a lot of valuable experience and information to add to the conversation
@MicahBuzanANIMATION
Жыл бұрын
@@dowhatsright4429 He was horrible. The moderator accused Sam of defending the invasion of Iraq and interrupted Sam on multiple occasions to say he disagreed. A moderator shouldn't be overly biased to one side. It was clear he was cheerleading Chris Hedges. Typical religious tribalism for you.
@rpm8865
Жыл бұрын
@@MicahBuzanANIMATION BOT
@Logan_Lovestein
Жыл бұрын
Did you even bother to see what Sam said which prompted that response from the moderator? This millionaire (Sam Harris) wants you to believe that his shallow and inaccurate polling data (most middle eastern countries don’t allow) is worth more than 1000 years of wandering around the Middle East? Who is so vain or disingenuous to honestly believe that? Gtfo here…That is intellectual dishonesty and to view it as anything else is like trying to slap lipstick on a pig and passing it as your wife.
@iancameron7292
8 жыл бұрын
I like Sam but he is outclassed here by Chris hedges.
@genesisofsound
8 жыл бұрын
How? When? Where? All Hedges did was make claims from personal experience, appeal to emotion, slander Sam by not only making up viewpoints Sam doesn't have but by derailing the conversation to different moral question such as torture that don't relate to the topic at all. If you seriously believe this, I would encourage to rewatch this debate again. Sam never speaks as if religion was the only reason tribal violence occurs(Hedges said he does), he never said that all Muslim women celebrate their child's deaths(Hedges said he does), he never says all Muslims celebrated 9/11 (Hedges said he did but this time Sam actually got to correct him), he cited Pew polls that directly show evidence for his claims regarding the dangerous magnitude of Muslims that hold terrifying ideas, to which Hedges responds that he was in the middle east and from his personal experience in the places he visited they didn't believe those things. The only thing Hedges gets right in the entire debate is the damage that the US has caused in the middle east, to which Sam agrees with him! Finally, even the moderator makes up nonsense about Sam supporting the Iraq war, which Sam completely rebukes, and if you research this you will find no example of Sam ever supporting the Iraq war. Hitchens supported the Iraq War, and this was arguably the biggest mistake he ever made, but Sam did not. How could you possibly think Sam was outmatched?
@sillynelson1
7 жыл бұрын
Lmfao
@johnwe9991
3 жыл бұрын
Even if i agree (which i dont), "class" doesnt equate to truth.
@Jack458111
Ай бұрын
haha no dAwg. Have you changed your mind after 8 years?
@verslanglais
4 жыл бұрын
Chris Hedges makes so much sense. He is speaking from love and experience, not just intellectual generality. It is frustrating to see that the finesse of his point of view is not always appreciated. Let's stop pointing a finger at religion and consider the elephant in the room, the ruling oligarchy.
@pitpalac
2 жыл бұрын
Chris Hedges is dodging from the subject of discussion without finesse, appealing to his life emotional experiences. The ruling oligarchy is not the subject of this debate, but it is formed from people with beliefs that inform their actions like the rest of world, poor or rich. And ruling oligarchy people are not immune to irrational beliefs or religious beliefs wich eventually will become atrocities. Atrocities of moral holy books.
@Resenbrink
8 жыл бұрын
Don't ever let Scheer "moderate" another debate.
@ecpruthless
7 жыл бұрын
100% agree...dudes a fuckin clown as far as moderators go....moderate dude, its not your debate
@mikeisapro
4 жыл бұрын
I think he was not only fine but raised some good points and key questions. Just because one particularly rabid and angry audience member toward the end, and then a few dozen people on KZitem gave that sentiment a thumbs up, doesn't mean that this man did a poor job moderating. I think he was engaging, but not long-winded. Not by any reasonable stretch of the imagination. It seems to me that a bunch of Sam Harris fans and otherwise tribal, non-thinking people got upset that Scheer seemed to take more of Chris' side on one or two specifics and had the audacity to challenge Sam on those specifics. Nothing more to see here.
@jrlagoni
4 жыл бұрын
He was bias and passionate - "wrong, wrong, wrong" for a moderator.
@ts4gv
2 жыл бұрын
@@mikeisapro I’m not basing my negative opinion of the moderator on the guy in the audience or any other KZitem comments. My opinion comes from the moderator. He’s not an impartial party. He is long winded. Every second he talks is a second lost from the actual featured debaters, so his input should have been kept at an absolute minimum. It wasn’t. Instead, he was another debater on stage who wasn’t invited.
@anaesthesia1549
Жыл бұрын
Harris’s arguments against Islam are so absurd and based on ignorance that even moderator starts feeling the need to shut him up.
@xxDragonTearsxx
10 жыл бұрын
the first 20 minutes were enough for Harris, he coulda just left
@ColDaxx-ki3ul
8 ай бұрын
Yes, before his racist neoliberalism was exposed.
@ktrigg2
8 жыл бұрын
1:15:35 absolute ownage by Sam. I think he was getting fed up with all the personal anecdotes.
@raj-cr4nl
8 жыл бұрын
+ktrigg2 Anecdote vs. poll. Hmm I wonder what should take precedent.
@squatch545
8 жыл бұрын
+ktrigg2 Yeah, all those direct personal experiences living alongside and talking with actual Muslims who contradicted what an armchair academic ivory tower critic like Harris is saying must have really drove him crazy.
@ktrigg2
8 жыл бұрын
Joe Smith Excellent misrepresentation of the situation! You MUST be a Hedges fanboy.
@raj-cr4nl
8 жыл бұрын
Joe Smith Are you saying that a personal anecdote from someone with skin-in-the-game trumps polls from an institution like Pew? Do you realize that the point of these types of polls is to settle these types of arguments? Go watch any video by Ayan Hirsi Ali. Do her anecdotes cancel out Aslan's? Is her personal anecdote just as valid as Aslan's? If so, how does that work?
@squatch545
8 жыл бұрын
Adam Jones Your own 'skin-in-the-game' is you don't like Chris Hedges because you disagree with him, so his anecdotes don't count. Hedges has worked for prestigious media institutions, where he was held accountable for his reporting. How are institutes like PEW held accountable? And what is so objective or so clearly superior about poll results? Especially when later polls by PEW don't support what Harris is saying.
@turnedaround4954
9 жыл бұрын
I have never seen a debate when the moderator does more talking that the debaters - very disappointing
@1940ruth
Ай бұрын
Did you time each spoke? I doubt that Chris spoke much, if any, longer than Sam. The moderator clarification was defense of Sam’s stated position.
@tomj54
10 жыл бұрын
This is truly an amazing debate. Chris Hedges must be incredibly smart. Only a brilliant mind can argue in favor of religion, yet adhere to no religious beliefs. Wonderful
@matthewkopp2391
3 жыл бұрын
He does adhere to religious belief. For example one of his arguments come from Paul Tillich's analysis of idolatry, which is a principle in Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism. He brilliantly knows the nuances because of religion and knowing it's history it's success and failure to live the principle. When you take anti-idolatry seriously you renounce all but the ultimate which can never be known. You can renounce even ones own religion, which is the exact paradox of religion. But it is similar to science in that science tends to renounces things like unfalsifiable claims. The thing is we don't live our lives entirely with unfalsifiable considerations. Morality has subjective values and normative claims which are unfalsifiable and so do many other dimensions of our lives.
@ProgPiglet
2 жыл бұрын
all these years later, and this colonel sanders "moderator" is still the worst I've ever encountered. The only thing he succeeded in doing was not moderating
@brainbonkk
11 жыл бұрын
Wish I could give this more than on thumbs up. Sadly, Hedges' effectiveness places a spotlight on how most people respond more to emotional argumentation than any system of logic or reason.
@matthewharrington9723
Жыл бұрын
This is my first experience of Hedges but in this debate he seems to lean on his anecdotal personal experience and occasionally just knida yelling. Can I assume this is not an accurate representation I've built of him?
@motorhead48067
Жыл бұрын
@@matthewharrington9723 I’m sure that like most intellectuals Hedges makes a lot of sense on certain topics. I’ve heard he’s been caught commuting obvious plagiarism on more than one occasion though, so make of that what you will.
@1940ruth
Ай бұрын
@@motorhead48067 The accusations of Chris not credited ing others properly, whether or not they are true, is less important to me than the fact that the accusations seem to be aimed to shrink Chris’ audience and credibility. They did NOT accuse him of writing something untrue!
@jrileycain6220
2 жыл бұрын
Hedges and Col. Sanders seem to totally miss the point.
@StealthDonkey007
11 жыл бұрын
I love that everyone acts surprised that Harris thinks a well-run survey is a better way to determine the opinions of people than wandering haphazardly about a country. It's as though they've never read a criticism of anecdotal evidence.
@bawar112
Жыл бұрын
Well run? Explain how any survey he refers to is well run even in the slightest way you fcktard lol
@dreamingrightnow1174
Жыл бұрын
Sam always alludes to surveys but I"ve yet to hear one citation. It's always comments like "we know this" or "there was pew survey" that supports this. What survey, when, where? Also, it's not a given that surveys are correct, but sam is disparaging Hedges' experience but not offering anything himself empirically.
@Logan_Lovestein
Жыл бұрын
Imagine thinking a skewed survey which Sam himself states is limited because the countries he demonizes and makes coin in doing so do not accurately show best results. Hedges helped debunk the WMD false flag we used to set the Middle East on fire for 20 years, speaks Arabic and lived in the Middle East for 10 years. Would you accept a pew poll or survey if China, India or Saudi Arabia conducted similar polls on the US and then used said limited data to demonize us? Of course not.
@matthewcarr392
11 ай бұрын
Citations are provided in his book, “The End of Faith.” He relies on Pew Research, so you could also look at Pew polls conducted circa 2006.
@1940ruth
Ай бұрын
Well-run is the key, I think. Harder in less familiar cultures, and the wording of questions is key. Translations aren’t perfect, if the polls were in Arabic-speaking countries.
@Siledas
10 жыл бұрын
Hah, Hedges has been busted for serial plagiarism now. Go figure.
@ThorGuitarCovers
7 жыл бұрын
gotta love a good double team masquerading as a moderator.
@darthvadeth6290
Жыл бұрын
lol
@promark5317
12 күн бұрын
Sam Harris, a true victim.
@mackss9468
2 жыл бұрын
The moderator in this debate is beyond awful. He should have just admitted straight up that he was on Chris Hedges side. Horrible job.
@MicahBuzanANIMATION
Жыл бұрын
Sam Harris was clearly the smartest person in the room.
@kirked007
8 жыл бұрын
The moderator is there to moderate as I understand it. What a disgrace. He couldn't have been more cowardly about anything about Islam. Sam has to fight his corner against his opponent and the moderator.. This 'moderator' really bigged up everyone at the start because he is so meek and pathetic himself.
@davidbluth6496
7 жыл бұрын
Psychological aspect is lacking....Harris is just shaming faith like it was created in a vacuum....
@MrVirtuezzz
7 жыл бұрын
Cos it was duhh
@Jack458111
Ай бұрын
It was
@ChrisDiMarco1985
11 жыл бұрын
1:16:22 - "YOUR THE MODERATOR!"... my exact thoughts throughout watching this "debate"
@louisesumrell6331
2 жыл бұрын
"you're"🙄😁🌻
@rogerandes8
2 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY
@davidcherry3107
2 жыл бұрын
@@louisesumrell6331 He was quoting the guy who interrupted the presentation. Don't you know, that guy yelled "your," not "you're."
@anaesthesia1549
Жыл бұрын
Harris’s arguments against Islam are so absurd and based on ignorance that even moderator starts feeling the need to shut him up.
@CorModo
5 жыл бұрын
In my view, this clash of positions (or even levels of perception), is what a true debate should be about.
@goatneck
7 жыл бұрын
Did not matter that the moderator was against Harris, he still kicked ass.
@cynicaloldgit7177
Жыл бұрын
Can't beat an unbiased moderator.
@jamesh3837
10 жыл бұрын
Chris Hedges did nothing more than take the anti-western rant and he expected Harris to "defend" american foreign policy. Even the moderator completely mischaracterized Harris' stance on the Iraq war. Totally slanted 90 minutes.
@jeannedarc7533
3 ай бұрын
I'm 9 years late. Anyhow, Harris' views on the Iraq war are indeed bizarre. He described the American invasion of Iraq as a "humanitarian mission," of Americans civilizing the Iraqi people, and said that the war wasn't about oil because millions would've been dead if it was about oil. Strange views from an otherwise intelligent person. His criticisms of Islam are often correct, but his views on foreign policy are not exactly accurate.
@jamesh3837
3 ай бұрын
And 9 years later I recognize Sam Harris to be a disgusting Islamophobe. Not happy that it took me this long to come around
@Realthx
10 жыл бұрын
The moderator stopped Sam Harris in order to tell him to explain what he was literally just going to explain
@JackeryPumpkin
Жыл бұрын
The moderator repeating “No” and blocking his view of Harris with his hands… Wow, what an intellectual powerhouse.
@mememan2344
11 ай бұрын
Logic to the religious is like garlic to vampires 😂
@BroodallyHonest
8 жыл бұрын
"Irregardless"? Is that a word, Hedges?
@DavidVenegas-rq2cy
2 ай бұрын
Yes.
@Jack458111
Ай бұрын
guy is not smart
@fireflynovember
8 жыл бұрын
Christ that moderator is infuriating.. He needs his own moderator
@SevenRiderAirForce
6 жыл бұрын
I actually liked him a lot. He asked them both a few useful questions. Why didn't you like him?
@kayem3824
6 жыл бұрын
He couldn't take any more of the charlatan's sht. Just a human reaction.
@Shane-The-Pain
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Someone actually called out of the crowd, "You're a lousy moderator!" The reason he was (at least for this debate) a lousy moderator is because he interrupts Harris at least 2 times to interject his own experiences. You either moderate or you debate. But doing both is ... lousy. On a personal note, I agreed with what Rob Scheer interjected and I don't like Sam Harris or his perspectives. But he should be heard if he came to debate. He has some intelligence; I just feel like he inflames issues.
@azimovist
5 жыл бұрын
The people in the comments referring to Robert Scheer as an "old man" or an "annoying moderator" are exposing their ignorance,willful or otherwise. Editor in Chief Robert Scheer is dedicated to reporting on current issues that are insufficiently covered by mainstream media. The website’s mission is to dig beneath the headlines, provide expert reporting and commentary from a progressive point of view, and offer an outlet for original work by exceptional journalists. Truthdig rests on the bedrock of independent journalism, and insists that their reporting meet the highest standards. He and Publisher Zuade Kaufman are the co- founders of Truthdig This us a debate, Scheer is a participant in it.
@mnick3905
5 жыл бұрын
Agree, I did not see Robert Scheer named in the debate. Chris Hedges vs Sam Harris.
@tem_vremenem_v_kanade
Жыл бұрын
Jimmy Dore brought you here too? 😅
@toffer1062
Жыл бұрын
Yup, from the comments it seems he sent a lot of folks here today. Never heard about Sam Harris until Dore recently brought him up. Hedges I knew of before I found Dore, great individuals both.
@GolfDay
6 жыл бұрын
I like Bob Scheer, but he really should have kept quiet as the moderator. It's okay to say a few things here and there, but don't go on and on when the debate is supposed to be between Harris and Hedges. I do think Scheer made some good points, and I think he should have debated Harris himself instead of trying butt in all the time if he felt so strongly about voicing his view, .....
@TheGodlessGuitarist
11 жыл бұрын
"The arguments on Iraq boil down to three things..." The biggest problem with humanity right now is with those who believe they have a right to kill in the service of their beliefs, no matter how benevolent they may seem to the beholder. Attacking other countries is the "Supreme crime of aggression" according prosecutors at the Nuremberg trials. We executed Nazis for the same things we are doing. If you cant see what's wrong with that you need to think longer on it.
@gent8940
9 жыл бұрын
I learned about Chris Hedges this week via his speeches on Gaza and anti-intellectualism in America--what a multi-dimensional thinker! Atheism is the zeitgeist, yet Hedges' defences for spirituality are so eloquent and put in ways I'm ashamed to admit I've been too lazy to consider.
@greenghost2008
10 жыл бұрын
Hedges straw mans over and over and over again.
@just0a0Biff
10 жыл бұрын
You've GOT to be kidding, right? The distinction of Straw Man Argument Abuse belongs to Sam Harris in this debate. Introducing gimmicky ruses like Fundamentalist Naziism, Fundamentalist Witchcraft, etc., as rhetorical devises to distract from real phenomena in religious and socio-economic motivations was simply lazy intellectualism, which evidently reflects Mr. Harris' seeming approach to most subjects outside of basic his refutation technique applied to religion.
@greenghost2008
10 жыл бұрын
just0a0Biff Those were not strawman and they were really great points. Makeing a distinction between moderate and fundelmentalist Chrisitianity is like making a distinction between moderate and fundelmentalist nazism.
@just0a0Biff
10 жыл бұрын
greenghost2008 Wrong. They were exactly straw man arguments in that they were used to back into a presupposed but false conclusion rather than used by extracting correlative original facts that proved an alternative conclusion. The analogies were incongruous, irrelevant in their spirit and context to the arguments Mr. Hedges was making. I think Mr. Harris was attacking Islam at the time, and he was attempting to label all adherents with the same brush when he used the straw man relativity of Fundamentalist Nazis versus just regular Nazis as proof that they are one and the same in terms of their evil, and therefore condemnation of all followers of Islam is demonstrably valid. If the scientific Mr. Harris wants to demonstrate that Islam/Christianity/Judaism and all adherents are evil, then at least be scientific in the approach and stop resorting to philosophical slights of hand to manipulate what he imagines is an empirically rigorous conclusion.
@greenghost2008
10 жыл бұрын
just0a0Biff He is trying to paint all nazi's with the same brush. See how that sounds?
@just0a0Biff
10 жыл бұрын
greenghost2008 No, actually I don't. Perhaps you should just say it rather than misquote me and rely on innuendo to ascribe some perverted meaning. And once you've wasted both of our time, I'll tell you to read my post more carefully and address the points, or lets just agree to disagree and move on. I did not say that Harris was trying to paint Nazis with the same brush, but it's humorous that you used his same philosophical debating gimmick to muddy the water.
@StaticLightbulb
11 жыл бұрын
I think Chris here perfectly displays why witness testimony is completely useless.
@vincenobert5078
2 жыл бұрын
It really burns me when people don’t argue the point
@ZUGZUGGERING
Жыл бұрын
The point which is?
@vincenobert5078
Жыл бұрын
@@ZUGZUGGERING any of Sams points. This was the very embodiment of straw manning. Did you watch the video?! Not one point was heard or responded to directly or indirectly.
@ZUGZUGGERING
Жыл бұрын
@@vincenobert5078 of course I watched the video shit head
@vincenobert5078
Жыл бұрын
@@ZUGZUGGERING even the moderator told him he didn’t respond to Sam’s point……and there were many points btw, none of which were addressed directly. I can list them if you wanted to have a serious discussion….or you just call me names. Not sure why you’re getting pissy here. Wanna take it down a notch and discuss?
@ZUGZUGGERING
Жыл бұрын
@@vincenobert5078 you accused me of not watching the video because I disagreed with you. So I gave you what you deserved.
@muralipat6305
10 жыл бұрын
What I meant is: pursuit of pure science without humanities is really dangerous. When physicists develop bombs they study physical impact but not the extent of human suffering.
@11Garrett11
Жыл бұрын
Brilliant Especially nowadays. When people say “trust science” what they mean is corporate, paid-off science
@raj-cr4nl
8 жыл бұрын
Torturing a terrorist to stop the deaths of hundreds of people is different than mistreating or torturing a captured journalist.
@endoalley680
8 жыл бұрын
Exactly. What was on very rare occasions practiced by the USA for the purpose of interrogation and called torture by some does no physical harm to any body. Nobody comes close to losing life or limb. And the party being interrogated is in full control to end the discomfort when the required information is given out. Add to this that it is only practiced when the one being interrogated is party to an even greater horror about to be committed.
@raj-cr4nl
7 жыл бұрын
joope zixzixzix I'm not saying that this is how it plays out in reality. My statement is correct and still stands.
@endoalley680
7 жыл бұрын
joope zixzixzix But in EVERY instance, the one being interrogated by the USA controls the situation. Spill the beans and one will be much more comfortable. Refuse to spill the beans and things are less comfortable.
@ecpruthless
7 жыл бұрын
OF COURSE waterboarding is the same as tickling lol, but thats besides the point...cause im sure u know of every single technique used for torture by the gov....right? I also find it hilarious that the same people who claim america as "the greatest country in the world" and purport the values this country stands for as a basis for international intervention, and then do a full 180, go against those same values and argue for the use of torture....lmao
@ecpruthless
7 жыл бұрын
+joope zixzixzix or that those were the only techniques used for so called interrogation....if they admitted to what they did(ie waterboarding etc...), then what they actually did was most likely MUCH worse. (im talking about the torturers, not the victims)
@ElectricQualia
9 жыл бұрын
I find it very evasive of Sam, to just brush away the secular nationalist Arab movements as if they didn't exist. How does he explain them? he dodged that question. He refuses to give credit to the Muslim population for endogenously developing secular governments. But when religious sentiment, arises out of foreign involvement and the failure of these secular gov's, then its the fault of religion!! a double standard Also, saying that the population under these secular gov's was still more or less religious, can be said for even western governments, just look at the Christian right here in the US.
@ElectricQualia
9 жыл бұрын
TheHomoludens lol, I don't know if he is payed, but yes he does excuse warmongering right wing morons. RObert Wright exposed him in his debate with him a while ago.
@MRayner59
9 жыл бұрын
TheHomoludens So you've written the same idiotic thing twice. What an achievement.
@scourgeofsnackind
9 жыл бұрын
its because sam harris is a fucking fraud funded by sheldon adelson.
@MRayner59
9 жыл бұрын
dafuzziscomin Proof?
@scourgeofsnackind
9 жыл бұрын
***** just indirectly, he just piggybacks on his networks and supports his policies. He's much more aligned with the "liberal" zionists, not that there is any difference. He wouldn't even be able to spew out his disgusting racist bullshit without the massive networks of support, financed by adelson that have made it possible to be a pseudointellectual piece of shit shill for israel, cherry picking sources which stupid fucks like you eat up because you're racist bias explodes out of you fucks, just like breitbart edited videos to do the exact same thing. He's a piece of shit that is a "NUKE IRAN NOW" far-right neocon pig that hides behind boutique activist "liberal positions" just like the Kochs and the pig libertarians do. You're all disgusting dishonest trolls piggybacking corporate money and corporate propaganda in service to the imperial war machine.
@ASkepticalHumanOnYouTube
9 жыл бұрын
Pro-tip: Watch KZitem videos at 2x the normal speed in order to be more efficient.
@antwan.
3 жыл бұрын
it's like watching ben Shapiro
@ilovejesus7000
3 жыл бұрын
Can anyone tell me how to speed it up as suggested?
@ilovejesus7000
3 жыл бұрын
Never mind, I found the button to push for 2x speed (under 3 vertical dots 😉)
@davidwescott6808
Жыл бұрын
Sam using the example about Nazis and extremism was completely inaccurate. From all the research I’ve done, there was a giant proportion of Germans that new what the government was doing was wrong. However, they were afraid to speak up and fight for what was seen as “the enemy”. If a German citizen did speak up, they’d would face potential punishment for having empathy for a suffering Jew. I could be wrong and welcome criticism and debate 😊 PS my grammar is terrible and I know it.
@elliotyourarobot
Жыл бұрын
No your right they were kept in fear and anxiety when confronted with regime thats was ultimately alien to them. In fact that's how they kept people in line with fear, anxiety and how alien they and their symbols were.
@kevinstaples7393
2 жыл бұрын
Only debate of sam harris I haven't seen & the moderator won't shut up. Irritating.
@BroodallyHonest
8 жыл бұрын
Chris Hedges his bets by believing in God.
@RuleofFive
11 жыл бұрын
That was actually a really good debate. I think Chris Hedges is the first person that represented the religious perspective that I didn't roll my eyes at his answers. He provided some good insight into the Middle East and the world of Islam. I watched it because I am a fan of Sam Harris but both men made some excellent points.
@Logan_Lovestein
Жыл бұрын
Knowing what we know about Sam in 2023. Do you still feel the same way?
@mlodyga5
10 ай бұрын
@@Logan_Lovestein And what do we know about him?
@kahlodiego5299
9 ай бұрын
I watched because I love Chris Hedges.
@RuleofFive
9 ай бұрын
@@kahlodiego5299I respect him too.
@doubleugly1594
2 жыл бұрын
It took me a long time to watch these debates, because I grew up on both Hedges and Hitchens. I am very glad I did though, because even though my understanding of religion goes more in the direction of Harris, my understanding of its importance on the world stage is more in line with Hedges. Ultimately im just glad that ive reached a point in my thinking where I don't need to agree completely with one or the other.
@11Garrett11
Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear this. We can get so trapped in our own narratives. As Jimmy Dore said in his recent video criticizing Sam Harris, “Even though Sam can score high on an aptitude test he doesn’t have the courage to follow where his intellect would lead him.”
@mattpreston4047
Жыл бұрын
And that is the way the world needs to go. These debates on religion and atheism may have been a valuable exercise but I fear they may have been counterproductive. What the world needs is a debate with the goal of synthisizing opinions into agreeable understanding, to utilize them as the most practical of tools to find an agreeable understanding. This debate is of a previous era, the debate we deserve now is of Jordan Peterson and Hedges on the legitimacy of the current geo political order and how we govern ourselves taking into account an analysis of capitalism, corporatism, globalism, and our democracy.
@mattpreston4047
Жыл бұрын
@user-xe6lp1gz4r I was just watching Jimmy Dore myself before pulling up these old debates myself. Unfortunately we don't have a contemporary debate such as a Hedges v JBPeterson or a Hedges v Pinker or a Harris v Dore or a Rogan v Brand discussion to pull up. It's wild to think about how exponentially the world has changed since these old debates and all those names I listed out failing us. Hedges is my absolute favorite but I think your comment about narratives equally applies to him and his listeners. Hedges is our high scholar of thoughtful, comprehensive and profound critical analysis of the state of our political and social reality, but through no fault of his own he has grown certain biases and blind spots. After all, there's no way a single man can grasp the entire world in his mind simultaneously. Jordan Peterson is equally prophetic but in an entirely different sphere of the world than Hedges. He specializes in human psychology which is directly linked to societal psychology and functioning. He is operating on an entirely different plane than Hedges and definitely embarrasses himself by stepping out of it and pretending to be an expert way more often than Hedges. We need to have these discussions if we want to evolve.
@mdaniels6311
Жыл бұрын
I've read End of Faith as well as I dont believe in Atheists, by Hedges. I think the problem with Harris, ultimately, is he takes the bible literally, and attacks the literal interpretation, which immediately becomes a problem. Most religious people don't see the bible as an instruction manual, and it likely was never intended to be one. Harris misses this important point.
@pblogger9065
Жыл бұрын
@@mdaniels6311 Except as he says over and over, lots of people DO actually interpret it literally.
@ritahogikyan8560
Жыл бұрын
Sam Harris - Please Teach More of your Wonderful Way♥️💙🧡
@davidcherry3107
2 жыл бұрын
It would be incredible if these guys did this debate, sitting back and their big chairs, wearing sunglasses.
@SelimxBradley
8 жыл бұрын
So it was basically 2v1 since the moderator couldn't keep his biases and comments to himself. Despicable moderation.
@fjkzdj.8561
7 жыл бұрын
We're All Thieves shouldnt matter, its just about how valident their points are
@mikebrun.mp3
11 жыл бұрын
that awkward handshake at the end was the only way that debate could have ended
@trebronrehts
10 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately the moderator by far was not up to their game! Not the right one to lead such distinguished contemporary time witnesses.
@nishuee9349
10 жыл бұрын
Please I would like to know when this debate was?
@BimLanders
7 жыл бұрын
Chris Hedges said "irregardless."
@dreamingrightnow1174
Жыл бұрын
Look it up.
@wyattgeorge9696
Жыл бұрын
Many people find irregardless to be a nonsensical word, as the ir- prefix usually functions to indicates negation; however, in this case it appears to function as an intensifier. It first appeared in print in the 1700's.
@EmperorsNewWardrobe
6 жыл бұрын
My only question is who is paying all the Sam harris trolls in the comments section? You know, the ones who saying some discrediting remark while leaving a HUGE gap where you'd normally find specifics of where and how his arguments are wrong?
@westifer8838
4 жыл бұрын
did they ever have a continuation of this debate?
@rene_bla_bla
5 ай бұрын
what a moderator. he was not fit for that job.
@tsuba14
11 жыл бұрын
Sam: You're talking about positions I don't necessarily hold. Enough said.
@mathemeatloaf1000
Жыл бұрын
Enough said indeed. Sam couldn’t even defend his previous beliefs. Apparently you missed the part where Chris read directly from Sam’s book where he argues for the Iraq war.
@dreamingrightnow1174
Жыл бұрын
@@mathemeatloaf1000 Yeah, Sam's go-to when confronted with his own assertions is that he's too deep to be comprehended, lol.
@wyattgeorge9696
Жыл бұрын
@@dreamingrightnow1174 Sam thinks he's a god that's intelligently superior
@ZUGZUGGERING
Жыл бұрын
He literally read directly from Harris's book
@jerrydecaire45
11 жыл бұрын
Remember that Star Trek movie where Spock's brother is some self-proclaimed holy man who mind melds with people to make their pain go away? It works but the people touched by him walk around like zombies with smiles on their faces. When he approches Kirk he says, "Your pain runs deep. Let me remove your pain." Kirk protests, "NO! I need my pain. My pain makes me who I am!" I think there's wisdom in that even if it's not what we want to hear. Pain also teaches us compassion-empathy.
@dreamingrightnow1174
Жыл бұрын
Is your point connected to this debate at all, or just props for classic star trek?
@pavelgrebenkov9965
10 жыл бұрын
The question of whether religious beliefs contribute to behaviour is obvious and need not even be questioned. If religions had no role to play in people's lives, people would not practice them. This is not controversial at all. What Harris is questioning is the validity, sanctity and the consequences of those beliefs. A combination of factor X (e.g. poverty or dispair) with religion Y (e.g. Islam) is likely to lead to outcome Z as apposed to a case where Y is replaced with W (e.g. Buddhism). This is a very powerful argument that all things considered equal religion does play a significant role in whether or not a person will or will not commit a violent act.
@loganleatherman7647
2 жыл бұрын
This moderator needs to take some classes on how to be a moderator. Moderators are supposed to keep the discussion(s) on track and potentially clarify any positions. That’s it. What a moderator does NOT do is repeatedly interject their own opinions into the topic of debate between the two invited guest debators
@TheWeekendWar
10 жыл бұрын
1:23:18 - End is among the wittiest and strongest metaphors I've heard in defense of reason.
@35flexo98
3 жыл бұрын
Expect no less from one of the “Four Horsemen”.
@matthewkopp2391
3 жыл бұрын
I agree it's a great statement. However from my perspective Chris is far superior in understanding what in philosophy is called empirical phenomenology and ontology. It is something the USA and Brits generally dismiss as unfalsifiable therefore not worth the effort but is really an excuse so as to not directly deal with the human condition which if honest is very painful and still operates within rational discernment. And the US culture is quickly becoming illiterate in the nuances that Chris Hedges represent. Pure rationality is not only an illusion it is an impoverished perspective of what it means to be human.
@davidcherry3107
2 жыл бұрын
@@matthewkopp2391 "Rationality is..." It is? Can you provide evidence to support that claim?
@bawar112
Жыл бұрын
Complete false analogy, you like Sam harris are thick in the same way. Just because you’re too stupid to perceive anything beyond the realm of science doesn’t mean you’re smart lol
@NIHIL0NOVI
Жыл бұрын
Hedges, incredible as usual.
@H0L0D0M0R_SURVIVOR_XIV
Жыл бұрын
@@trife7419 Exposed by Pot Head comedian Jimmy Dore 😅😂🤣
@elih9700
Жыл бұрын
@@H0L0D0M0R_SURVIVOR_XIV By Triggernometry.
@MicahBuzanANIMATION
Жыл бұрын
@@trife7419 Sam Harris haters, lacking basic comprehension skills as usual.
@Paul-bg4iu
Жыл бұрын
@@MicahBuzanANIMATION Sam Harris supporters: convinced that they`re overwhelmingly intelligent due to their neo-atheism.
@rpm8865
Жыл бұрын
@@MicahBuzanANIMATION BOT
@xDMrGarrison
9 жыл бұрын
That cheering at the end was great! :D
@Itsdark
10 жыл бұрын
This is my favourite debate on Islam and the effects of religion.
@motorhead48067
2 жыл бұрын
Chris Hedges and his applause lines lol
@MicahBuzanANIMATION
Жыл бұрын
Hedges argues from emotion, and that gets a response out of people. Sadly, most people base their beliefs on emotion rather than evidence that might be uncomfortable.
@maxheadrom3088
Жыл бұрын
@@MicahBuzanANIMATION Hedges argues from knowledge, experience and offers citations. His emotion comes from experience. Harris, however, is badly informed, makes no research and uses cheap emotional buttons as rhetoric. The guy tries to talk about religion and misrepresents both Jesus and Mohammed. In the case of the Great Prophet, he is completely wrong - he was not a conquering general and that kind of mistake is unacceptable from someone who claims to have studied the subject. You see, it's not a mistake about someone on the periphery of Muslim theology but a mistake about the founder of the Islam so absurd that even I, who was raised as a catholic in a country with very few muslims, caught it right away. His error is equivalent to saying Jesus was a Persian.
@motorhead48067
Жыл бұрын
@@maxheadrom3088 How on Earth are you arguing that Muhammad wasn’t a conquerer? He spread Islam through conquest for the first couple decades of its spread. Do you just know absolutely nothing about the history and assume that because Jesus was basically an ancient hippie that Muhammad must have been one too? News flash, he wasn’t, at all.
@bblue82
11 жыл бұрын
the good stuff starts at 4:01
@austin0031
7 жыл бұрын
Can someone tell me the date that this debate took place?
@mikearg3529
Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see this PEW poll to see exactly what it said because that would 1000% end that particular debate. I'd say Sam did his research before putting it in his book but I've never read this PEW poll.... The Moderator debated with his heart rather than his brain.
@Sweence
8 жыл бұрын
It's so much fun to watch Sam carve this guy up. Religion serves no real purpose other than to comfort the childishly deluded.
@squatch545
8 жыл бұрын
+Sweence What video were you watching?
@Sweence
8 жыл бұрын
Joe Smith Oh, I get it. You're a Jesus freak who had his "god blinders" on while watching Harris intellectually demolish this deluded religious goon.
@squatch545
8 жыл бұрын
***** Hahahahahaa"demolish"hahahahaaaa!
@airmark02
7 жыл бұрын
Yes, I've read and listened to Sam Harris make some smooth & clever arguments but after further examination I saw an agenda that had subtle layer of excusing the brutalities of Zionism and fundamental Christianity that I could not overlook. The Corporate Atheist monsters and killers of the present day Military Industrial complex seem to fly below Sam Harris's intellectual radar too frequently for me.
@yoojinkim5810
6 жыл бұрын
Another strawman I see. Chris Hedges admits that there is no physical god and argues that God and religion are rather abstract concepts the same way art and philosophy are, and that they are ways to grasp with the nonrational as well as explain human nature, which Hedges believes to be the cause of evil. Furthermore, he accuses Sam Harris of being a cultural supremacist who supports the Zionist and neoconservative agenda (IE war in Iraq, Afghanistan Presence) just so he can go up to people and say how morally and culturally superior we are. So please, why don't you build a church to Sam Harris and worship him as a messiah while vomiting out his bigoted and hateful vile albeit with less articulation and clarity?
@MarmaladeSally
Жыл бұрын
Every 5th word of Hedges is “uh” or “um”. Really hard to listen to.
@souler__
Ай бұрын
What a horrendous moderator. Interrupted Harris repeatedly and allowed him to be interrupted before getting to most of his points, very openly taking sides in a reasonable point about polls vs personal experience, spending his time talking (which - does he think people are there to listen to him?) to meander through multiple irrelevant monologues before making a superficial question that's less interesting than the previous topics he interrupted... I was even starting to side against Harris' argument until the moderator suddenly made me realize he still wasn't, and hadn't been until that point, actually allowing for a proper debate. Not to mention the multiple interruptions of Hedges in attempts to take the reigns of Hedges' arguments, which he did pretty well, as they were a masturbatory and painfully long strawmanning that honestly seemed to come out of nowhere. Disgraceful failure to honest and open discourse.
@GlenMcNiel
6 жыл бұрын
Even though I don't think the debate format is the best for a conversation on this topic, it was still enlightening to listen to these guys go to the mat. That said, I think it would be so much more valuable for these two to combine their knowledge and experience to arrive at "3rd Alternative" conclusions. Digging in to defend their positions doesn't do much to improve a situation that both of them clearly care deeply about. An powerful opportunity for convergence & synergy may have been lost here. Just as it was with Noam Chomsky & Sam. This is unfortunate because it's unlikely that Chris & Sam will ever have another conversation period... Much less one which could actually be productive and lead to synergistic solutions.
@GlenMcNiel
6 жыл бұрын
UPDATE: Okay, so it looks like a *productive* conversation might not have been in the cards for these guys at the time of this debate. Not sure of the timeline, but it could be that blood had already been drawn, rather relentlessly, by Chris against Sam: www.samharris.org/blog/item/response-to-chris-hedges If there's another side to the story, where Chris justifies his mischaracterization of Harris' "nuclear first-strike" remarks in The End of Faith, please link to it.
@johnbedgar
8 жыл бұрын
I love how hedges and the moderator just start making shit up at the end
@vireogilvus
11 жыл бұрын
Hedges said "irregardless."
@vau0807
10 жыл бұрын
Please demonstrate "the inner, mystical dimension of ourselves".
@marcbelisle5685
3 ай бұрын
I'll always remember this as the debate where the moderator jumped in like Ric Flair.
@gearbow
3 жыл бұрын
Sam sits and speaks off the top of his head. Hedges takes to the pulpit and reads from a prepared speech.
@radiotvteapee2335
3 жыл бұрын
Hedges is a true scholar and journalist and thinker and Sam Harris is a frat boy trust fund kid scared of “the other”, a total intellectual midget compared to Hedges. Read their work, I have read both extensively, no comparison. Harris’ politics are totally stuck within an Anglo-American paradigm, he is stuck in his reality tunnel. Hedges has cosmopolitan view, he has seen the world and immersed himself in other cultures and has a much more complex, nuanced worldview. Sam speaks off the top of his head but that isn’t hard when there isn’t too much in there. Hedges is actually prepared because he cares.
@ZakByrd
Жыл бұрын
@@radiotvteapee2335 Well said, kindred KZitem reader.
@raj-cr4nl
8 жыл бұрын
"Moderator."
@paullever9219
8 ай бұрын
Thank you Sam…
@TheGodlessGuitarist
11 жыл бұрын
In the Simon Webb memo? Will take a look tomorrow. Thanks for pointing it out. I've seen a lot of eye opening stuff in these documents, but my memory isnt good enough to keep them all alive in mind. Tony Blair's memos are interesting, particularly bits relating to deceiving the public into supporting the war. Blair did talk about "keeping the US on the UN route", before the invasion, which does suggest that invasion was the destination of the 'UN route', inline with your points.
@eonhand8
7 жыл бұрын
Sam Harris has a way of making people non-rational.
@maxidavis8513
7 жыл бұрын
eonhand8 how so?
@Masternayan117
6 жыл бұрын
irrational*
@KindanThe1st
2 жыл бұрын
Didnt know you were supposed to debate the moderator as well...
@dennisreforsado1850
7 ай бұрын
Moderators should be subjected to rigorous impartial screening process before they are allowed to moderate debates such as this. This moderator in my opinion do not even deserve an interview for the job.
@Benjaminsp2004
6 жыл бұрын
Drink every time Harris says "discourse"
@brainphelps1994
8 жыл бұрын
oh god what is the moderator doing? He said he didn't want to give too long of an intro but he proceeded to ramble out a spew of nothing for nearly 5 minutes, but it felt like an hour, his introduction was literally the opposite of compelling, it was tortuously banal. Shut up man!!!
@lucindaandjohnomelia
3 жыл бұрын
Really shitty moderator. Loudmouth who hasn’t bothered to read any background material. I think he’s trying to join both sides because we can all clearly agree he’s a fucking moron. Y’all Wit Me?!
@bmcfarland1046
2 жыл бұрын
Hedges uses his anecdotal experiences as demographic evidence, that is not how it works.
@cibarmartin
Жыл бұрын
Well said
@Jack458111
Ай бұрын
Sam had his shit memorized and Chris had to read his. That’s all you need to know.
@waggishtickle
8 жыл бұрын
Got me at "irregardless". Hedges is a quack.
@BimLanders
7 жыл бұрын
Nothing triggers me more than that "word."
@TheGodlessGuitarist
11 жыл бұрын
Well I was particularly intrigued by the suggestion of replacing Saddam with "another" Ba'athist or Military dictator "with whom we could do business". It tells you a lot about the world order and establishment thinking in my opinion. The thing I noted above all from reading the archive was that there is zero concern for Iraqis, just Western power and business. The pretexts about liberating Iraqis, humanitarian concerns etc are just that, pretexts. Excuses. Lies. Whatever stops people revolting
@vau0807
10 жыл бұрын
The first sentence of your now-deleted reply to me was this: "I do not think it is viable, possible or even necessary to demonstrate." Apparently, the "inner, mystical dimension" feels exactly the same way.
@Itsdark
10 жыл бұрын
Hedges' speech is beautiful. I'm an atheist but here's a theist who I can totally see where he's coming from.
@ZakByrd
Жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@MicahBuzanANIMATION
Жыл бұрын
Hedge's speaks poetically but he often makes absurd claims that lack evidence. He should really study Bart Erhman and learn some basics of the history of Christianity if he's going to be talking about religion in any critical capacity.
@ZUGZUGGERING
Жыл бұрын
@@MicahBuzanANIMATION what claims did he make that "lack evidence"?
@ZUGZUGGERING
Жыл бұрын
@@MicahBuzanANIMATION "absurd" is a completely subjective term
@saskk2290
11 ай бұрын
Hedges isn't a theist
@yiannismihail
10 жыл бұрын
Two amazing guys,on the same side of reason, putting up a great intellectual show. Thank you both.
@sammypercy388
Жыл бұрын
coward
@saskk2290
11 ай бұрын
They are both intellectuals, granted. But Harris lacks a moral and historical depth. I saw this debate a decade ago and thought Hedges was a loony. I couldn't understand him. I just wanted the atheist to win. It should be noted that nationalism/American exceptionalism and "good faith empires" are religions in themselves
@PurpleChevron
Жыл бұрын
If all theists were observing the spiritual, mostly-secular observance and practice of faith that this guy is promoting, I wouldn't have any problem with it.
@skepsys
10 жыл бұрын
thanx.
@liamweinberg4902
2 жыл бұрын
This is how not to moderate a debate. So frustrating.
@ZakByrd
Жыл бұрын
His bias is clear, for sure, but his bias is logic. Scheer is better at understanding what Hedges is saying than Harris is-and one should understand the person they're arguing with. Harris would have done better if he was capable of arguing his opponent's case in advance of contesting what they were saying, but from his responses I couldn't imagine him doing that. Ironically, he's more of an ideologue than the ostensible Christian he's debating about religion. Belief is more dangerous than religion. Belief is more prevalent (in politics, philosophy, science when it's institutionalized) than religion, on its own, is.
@galenballentine3529
7 жыл бұрын
I've seen Sam Harris debate Reza, Chomsky, Cenk, and Hedges --- every time I hear the same simple-minded, thought-experiment-driven approach to irreducibly complex, real-world social problems. His lack of training in social science is very obvious and weakens his arguments (see him against Hedges and Reza). He is very naive about the nature of american power in the world and myopically emphasizes the importance of professed intentions (see him against Chomsky). He is a "pop-intellectual" --- which is to say that he is lacking in depth of analysis and poses as an expert about topics about which he has no expertise. In doing so, he sadly empowers a uniquely american ignorance about other peoples in the world. And what I am surprised by most of all (!) is that the comment boards are always full of comments about how brilliantly Harris chopped down his opponent. I couldn't disagree more strongly. Harris is a troll. Sorry to break it to you, folks!
@nikosvault
5 жыл бұрын
Sure Joe Rogan listener.
@helenaloges1065
5 жыл бұрын
Well said! Harris uses atheism as a cover that allows him to espouse racist rhetoric against Muslims. He has Jewish origins, similar to protagonist Bill Maher, that clearly have shaped his intolerant thinking. Like Bill, he has never spent time in the Middle East with Muslims families, yet feels educated enough to paint them all in a broad terrorist picture. This is the thinking of a non-thinking, ignorant child.
@toasternfriends3329
4 жыл бұрын
Harris made Reza look like a complete fool. If you came away from that debate thinking otherwise, there's a really good chance you are a fool, too.
@Bdots44
3 жыл бұрын
@Republicans for bleach injections sadly a lot of people who use the term zionist are actually just anti-Semitic
@ArtofDreaming1
11 жыл бұрын
thank you
@JeffreyJamesMusic
10 жыл бұрын
I would love a transcript of this.
@manwithtwowives
10 жыл бұрын
@1:10:26..... "irregardless" .... O.0 ew. gross.
@topologyrob
10 жыл бұрын
Also "nucular" - perhaps this shows his working class social background. Odd after all those years at the NYT
@TheWeekendWar
10 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha
@atonesb5251
10 жыл бұрын
And let's not forget when the moderator used "begging the question" incorrectly.
@tgwnn
9 жыл бұрын
Atone SB And when he said that he studied the Pew poll and flat-out misquoted it :)
@AleksandarIvanov69
10 жыл бұрын
I would have loved to see Christopher Hitchens be in the place of Sam and humiliate the moderator because Harris is too gentle sometimes to ignorance, not like Hitch who's favorite phrase is "HOW DARE YOU!" The moderator is just not doing his job well...
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