So happy that it was converted to a masjid and so disappointed that a Muslim is against this 😞
@sufimasfi
4 жыл бұрын
I wish I knew more about the history on this, but I believe that Russia might attack Turkey for this.
@sufimasfi
4 жыл бұрын
Because Russia has been after Istanbul since world war 1.
@tk_maj2972
4 жыл бұрын
@unusual score turkey has the second biggest army in NATO, after the US. Turkey has enough power to stop a Russian invasion on its own BUT. If the west allied against turkey then that's an issue
@neresbarbosa7671
4 жыл бұрын
Islam will fall.
@realt1984
4 жыл бұрын
This is one if the best investment and decision Turkey has ever made in history to make a place of worship to one true God Allah. It should of been a mosque long before.
@arivae9640
4 жыл бұрын
1. When conquest of istambul happen Fatih Sultan Mehmet purchased the Hagia Sophia with his own money and made a mosque and made a institution for it 2. in the current law goverment cant change usage of a institution own buildings but they did at that time. 3. institution made a clame to courts years ago 4.there is a written will of Fatih Sultan Mehmets ( judge,Sultan,vizier; whoever change this institution usage or close , neglect he cursed them ) 5. Who ever sad this is made for votes there are years to a new election..... And Jerusalem surrendered bc of that muslims didnt change any church. for some of the Muslims says Fatih Sultan Mehmet Coudnt change the hagia sofia When the conquest happened Galata site of istambul surrendered before fall of istambul and muslim army didnt touch anythink every church still there but main city didnt surrender when city fall Fatih Claimed the hagia sofia and change it to mosque.
@Baba-so6fh
4 жыл бұрын
Arivae So it’s fine if Israel purchases al Aqsa? Imagine some few corrupt leaders agree to its sale. Would you be alright with that?
@arivae9640
4 жыл бұрын
@@Baba-so6fh did israil get the land with swort no . Than there is no such think. Istanbul taken buy swort than istambul become ottoman state property than fatih brought to land which hagia sofia stant. And hagia sofia become personal properly.
@hfwilmot
4 жыл бұрын
Is there any evidence of purchase
@arivae9640
4 жыл бұрын
@@hfwilmot imguh.com/image/jkhgB
@UmmTaymiyyah13
4 жыл бұрын
Why should we as Muslim be debating this? SubhanaAllaah! Hagia Sophia has been declared a Masjid! We all know Masaajid are the most beloved places to Allaah! Shouldn't we all be happy?? SubhanaAllaah!!
@mushtaqrahiman6567
4 жыл бұрын
It’s not right to make it a mosque. We as Muslims need to do what’s right
@UmmTaymiyyah13
4 жыл бұрын
@@mushtaqrahiman6567 'it's not right'? by who's judgement? Did you forget that it was a Masjid for about 500 year before being sanctioned to a museum? Was that ok? Or should it have been turned back into a cathedral? Would that rather please you? And if you have a problem with the initial conversion into a mosque by Mohammed Al Fatih then I guess to each their own opinion, and Allaah knows best.
@popeofchina8551
9 ай бұрын
Why do you complain about Al Aqsa becoming a Judaic Temple for Jews. Muslims conquered Constantinople,Jews conquered Palestine. That is your Logic
@HelloWorld12347
7 ай бұрын
@@UmmTaymiyyah13 Then these people complain when a Masjid becomes a Hindu temple
@UmmTaymiyyah13
6 ай бұрын
Jews conquered Palestine?? Which world do you live in!....i rest my case....Peace will be upon you; we seek not the ignorant." QUR'AN [28:55]
@Waqarali-rs1mc
4 жыл бұрын
Caring about the sensitivities of eastern orthodoxy? Re-read accounts of Srebrenica. The widespread support of Christian clergy in the genocide of the Bosnians and the destruction of many masajid in the Balkans at large.
@sn0wle0pard31
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah and the Serbian nation is sorry and feels remorse for Srebenica. Not to mention that NATO stirred up trouble between Muslims and Orthodox Christians and then put the entire blame on the Orthodox Christians.
@Waqarali-rs1mc
4 жыл бұрын
@@sn0wle0pard31 that's totally unfounded. Balkan islamaphobia had nothing to do with NATO and dates back 100s of years. To this date the upper echelons of orthodoxy celebrate these murderers. Karadzic and others are seen as heros in Orthodox circles( the church gave them MEDALS) Read chapter 4 of Abdul Hakim Murads 'Travelling Home: Essays on Islam in Europe' Read the books he cites in the references
@mohammedrezwan620
4 жыл бұрын
I would see it as a victory if we see every jamat occupied to over 90% rather than having such a large beautiful mosque that is completely empty
@tk_maj2972
4 жыл бұрын
Anyone who disagrees with the hagia sophia turning into a mosque either doesn't know the full picture or is emontionally arrogant. The building is owned by Muslim foundations. They have the right to do what they want with the building they own. The fact it was forced by ataturk to become a museum was actually against the owners wishes
@bachdeanOnline
4 жыл бұрын
How is it the case that converting back Hagia Sophia is a bad PR for muslim while conquering back Al-aqsa is not the case?? Such a cognitive dissonance position Roshan has, a really bad argument from him!
@mathyderabadi5513
4 жыл бұрын
Muslims of India love Turkey.
@prabhuthomas8770
4 жыл бұрын
@Mathyderabadi You might. The vast, vast, vast majority of India Muslims do not.
@kemchy3838
4 жыл бұрын
@@prabhuthomas8770 why is that
@areebsmadscience111
4 жыл бұрын
Prabhu Thomas and do you speak for the vast vast majority? Indian Muslims lost Babri Masjid, recently with a mosque standing in place, due to India’s in capability of protecting their religious place. Thomas my guy ur probs Christian, how r u gonna speak for Indian Muslims without being one?
@ARON_1100
4 жыл бұрын
30:41 i don't actually understand if a ruler does something good to gain votes, what's bad in that. I mean how else do you want him to please his people and work for them.
@tk_maj2972
4 жыл бұрын
That's a good point lol 😂
@mysticranger6894
4 жыл бұрын
If we give hagia as church, can we get all the muslim masjid especially the big one in cordoba back as masjids? If so, ok.
@---ir9yu
4 жыл бұрын
That should be what happens
@Baba-so6fh
4 жыл бұрын
Very childish argument. So just because someone else does it then it’s ok for us too? We stoop to the same level?
@mysticranger6894
4 жыл бұрын
@Logic03 So dumb, doesnt get hypoerbole and the main point, focusing on irrelevant details.
@jona7200
4 жыл бұрын
true muslims dont think like this
@aslamali8801
4 жыл бұрын
So we do right only if they do right, yes?
@aburg10s
4 жыл бұрын
“I’d rather see Turkey cut ties with Israel.” Based.
@tk_maj2972
4 жыл бұрын
How many more people would descend into poverty in Turkey if Erdoğan did that again. Some people just don't see the bigger picture
@tk_maj2972
4 жыл бұрын
@Planck M. Bruh. Turkey just came out of a financial crisis and is probably going to go into another simply BECAUSE of CORONA
@Oliver_Tate
4 жыл бұрын
Roshan’s argument is rooted in inferiority complex resulted from hundreds of years of colonisation. We should care and respect every other religion and their sentiments. However, it clearly shouldn’t be to please colonial masters at the cost of loosing our self respect in our own eyes...how much we have to do to prove ourselves? Roshan you please need to draw that line somewhere.
@suzimonkey345
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for discussing this in such detail! 😊
@mresq9202
4 жыл бұрын
some further detail here kzitem.info/news/bejne/rpdr02SfhWmUlqg
@annon8880
4 жыл бұрын
Ma sha allah love dilly Hussain and Roshan for he sake of allah. Both articulate the points well . I side with Dilly Hussain on this matter . Hagia Sophia is good a move by Erdogan
@Muslim-87
4 жыл бұрын
It is good that hagia Sophia is going to be restored as a masjid but good to see health debate on 5pillars
@burnttomato3577
4 жыл бұрын
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته It's good to see us Muslims have a friendly dialogue, it really makes us more bonded as a Muslim Ummah. It teaches us that it is fine to have issues with one another.
@youniskhan2856
4 жыл бұрын
2 classy brothers as always, I agree with brother dilly on this 1. Excellent debate guys masha allah
@atif50
4 жыл бұрын
JazakAllahkhair brothers excellent discussion, would be good to see you guys discuss more issues
@saleemakbar4335
4 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the discussion. Came across this youtube vid on the subject of Hagia Sophia search for Thoughts on restoring Hagia Sophia back into a Masjid | Br. Iyad Hilal discusses that Muhammed al Fateh bought the Hagia Sophia .
@jiyyadmohammed7604
2 жыл бұрын
Just watched the debate and i would say I totally agree with brother Roshan .....Of course what brother Dilly says may be correct from a Deen point of view.....But it has severe repercussions on several other issues especially on muslims in the rest of the world ....I am a Muslim from India and here we have serious issues as a minority.....From what Dilly said yes some people will remain anti - Islam , no matter what but there are others who will will be on our side .....But sometimes I feel like we are losing their support....Wherever the muslims are in majority, this is what they do, so why should I support them is the attitude of many...Often we are proud when we speak of muslims in Indonesia who totally respect their minority but this issue has put us in a dark spot..Here mosques are being converted to temples because of some idol that may have exist there....in such situations, issues like Hagia Sophia is like Brother Roshan said- Fanning the flames
@alidanger5663
4 жыл бұрын
Alhamdulilah l’m so happy Thank you so much president erdogan 🇹🇷💯 ln sha Allah khilafat is coming back , Make Muslims Empire Great Again Ameen ☝️🤲🏻
@IslamfromGod1
4 жыл бұрын
The ruler opinion end the dispute between madhabs. And the objecting madhab must stop. This is what Rashan needs to know.
@vasa1876
4 жыл бұрын
I think with all my respect, that the 2 brothers are not qualified to discuss this topic...
@lost_poet_
4 жыл бұрын
What qualifications does a person need to have an opinion on this issue?
@mkhan9227
4 жыл бұрын
Shah jalal didn't bring islam to to bengal. Man has no idea of history or understanding of fiqh or hadeeth.
@reiali3290
4 жыл бұрын
Islam was in Bengal way before.
@imraaan1000
4 жыл бұрын
“Im NoT qUaLifiED tO cOMmEnT”
@jona7200
4 жыл бұрын
haha nice one
@TheOneMaNz
4 жыл бұрын
All the Muslims crying about it, who reside in the UK. We're you just as outraged with all the local churches which have been converted into flats and other buildings including Masjids. So many hypocrites who dont even realise their hypocrisy, May Allah Almighty Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala protect us all.
@Baba-so6fh
4 жыл бұрын
But Hagia Sophia is one of the most important to them. You can’t compare it to lesser known churches.
@sn0wle0pard31
4 жыл бұрын
Hagia Sophia is like Masjid Al Nabawi for the Roman Orthodox Christians. Do you not get it? Also Muslims should not be converting any church period!!
@jbrs78611
4 жыл бұрын
Sn0w Le0pard lets give back the Ummayd Mousqe then. After all that was a church! Let’s give Masjid Al Aqsa to the Jews, after all that was on the land that the temple of Solomon was built on for the people of the book. The Jews believe it is their right. Your period goes out the door!
@Baba-so6fh
4 жыл бұрын
Most Muslims don’t know that there’s two conquests of Constantinople as predicted by the prophet. Which one is that Hadith referring to? If the wrong one, then the brothers argument breaks down from the start.
@Baba-so6fh
4 жыл бұрын
Mohamed Ismail Yes but why rule out the second one just because it’s takbeers only? Who’s doing the takbeers? Is it just a few people or an army of people? You may find it’s an army in both instances. Their approach may be different but that doesn’t mean they are not an army under a leader. So your argument doesn’t hold up. You need to prove it’s a reference to the first conquest.
“And who is more unjust than those who forbid that Allah’s Name be glorified and mentioned much (i.e. prayers and invocations, etc.) in Allah’s Mosques and strive for their ruin? It was not fitting that such should themselves enter them (Allah’s Mosques) except in fear. For them there is disgrace in this world, and they will have a great torment in the Hereafter.” Holy Quran 2:114 “In houses (mosques), which Allah has ordered to be raised (to be cleaned, and to be honoured), in them His Name is glorified in the mornings and in the afternoons or the evenings” Holy Quran 24:36 imagine having prayed 500 years in a mosque and out of the blue a leader decided to close the mosque for 4 years and eventually declared that the mosque should be converted into a museum where no more calls to prayer will be heard and no more actions of worship will be performed. What will be your reaction if you are a true believer? what will be your attitude towards this leader?
@Incandescence555
2 жыл бұрын
Dilly's strongest point is his anti-imperialist stance, vis-a-vis the embrace of Muslim history, and its expansionist, and at times, viewed though modern liberal anti-realist lens, polemical. Roshan's strongest point was that the Hanafi support of the decision does not reflect swathes of the ummah, at least on a macro-fiqh level - so many from other mathaaahib could actually agree with this, but not necessarily, it could be a minority decision if taking the whole ummah on board.
@QuikArabicLessons
4 жыл бұрын
Both of u plz do more discussions like this together. Both of you togethee are awesome!
@DieTopVideos
4 жыл бұрын
Fatih sultan mehmed after turning it into a mosque made a what we turks call Beddua idk if its the same as you all say. he said that this mosque is his legacy and whoever turns it into something else other than a mosque is cursed by all prophets, angels, leaders, and all muslims into eternity. this is somethinh someone said who was mentioned by the prophet as a beatiful leader means that this curse should be taken seriously. without opening it this Curse would still be ongoing until someone does that
@zeyadkenawi8268
4 жыл бұрын
mmmm I think hagia sofia should be a mosque but that's not the reason, I believe no body has the right to curse anybody except Allah and his messenger
@sn0wle0pard31
4 жыл бұрын
No Sultan Mehmet was not the leader prophesised. That conquest is yet to occur after Al Malhama. What Sultan Mehmet did was an insult to the Prophet [Peace be Upon Him], Umar and Salah Al Deen.
@DieTopVideos
4 жыл бұрын
@@sn0wle0pard31 you obviously never read a single history related book please research before saying such disrespectful stuff
@witness7387
4 жыл бұрын
But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners. to draw a parallel who would have thought that a turkish drama "Ertugrul" would have had the impact on the thoughts and emotions of millions of muslims around the world may be this historical second opening of hagia Sofia may have an even more tangible impact within the ummah for the khair inshaAllah
@leedunbar5224
3 жыл бұрын
Allah knows best and I do not. It seems to me Erdogan was quite justified to revert Hagia Sophia into a mosque from museum. Yes, it was originally a church, and naturally should have remained one, one would think. The rights of the christians to their own churches unmolested is part of the religion of islam, according to my knowledge. One could even argue that Sultan Fateh simply kept and maintained this dilapidated church in trust for the harried and impoverished christians, and for all these years after their exodus from the isthmus, since those days, (apparently never more to return). If not, then why were not the icons all destroyed or sold off (as the Romans, their own fellow christians had done, after they sacked Constantinople, in 1204, using it as a brothel). Icons are haram in a masjid. However, returning to recent events of the day, what were the express wishes of the christians summed up in one word? "Please, just give us our church? " Is that what they said? No! (if anyone knows otherwise please show this!) Keep it as a museum! Isn't that what they demanded, instead? Yes, that was the constant refrain. That transaction was always problematic for the conscience of both the christians and muslims. From the christian side, what to say of coining money out of a church? Most would sensibly wish to "drive the money-changers out of the temple", if they had their say. So how is keeping Hagia Sophia as a museum morally justified, even from their side? It's not. In the face of this situation, the christians of upright conscience should be pleased with the fact that Hagia Sophia is used for the worship of God, once again, even if such worship is not under christian auspices, as opposed to keeping this church as a museum. Again, that a 90+% muslim majority country should maintain Hagia Sophia as a museum, is problematic to the conscience of the muslims also. Again, sacrilege has no rights, no benefit of any treaty. Coining money out of the ancient church is crooked business. Why should Turkey have to stand for it? To please the christians? What christians? To please the secular world, rather. There's the business. "Who's rules this country, anyway?", Erdogan quite rightly asked. Very well. Please see that neither the christians, the christian feelings, and least of all the christian conscience were wronged; no, not in the least, not inso far as I can discover by this action of the President of Turkey. It would seem that he should be congratulated for taking this strictly necessary decision. May Allah bless him, bless the muslims in Turkey, and bless the muslims in the whole world.
@HussainFahmy
4 жыл бұрын
*_Ayasofya is now a Masjid, AlHamdulllah and a Museum for the rest. Roshan Salih's point is valid in a secular sense, however, Dilly Hussain made a passionate defence on Islamic terms. Masha'Allah. Muslims must remember that our Masaajids have been destroyed and converted to Churches around the world. Peace and prosperity will return when Muslims hold on the Noble Quran, the authentic sunnah of Rasul'Allah and the understanding/methodology of the three pious generations, the Salaf As Saleh. May peace and friendship prevail between the two colleagues/blood-brothers of Islam in'sha'Allah._*
@MineMeMineMeMineMe
2 жыл бұрын
Ijtihad or Fiqh of Umar bin Khattab (RA) will trump all schools of fiqh. By defination the taqleed of one school of thought especially Hanafi which doesn't include 80% of hadiths into his fataws won't be following Quran and Sunnah when later it was proven that the sunnah was 100 percent from prophet Muhammad (PBUH), but in fact it is following the sunnah of bani-israel. Now Dr Zakir Naik said, he could have converted that to mosque because it was taken fair and square.
@Eire32
4 жыл бұрын
What else do you expect from Rafidha Shia who worked for Press Tv
@arturnowak9151
4 жыл бұрын
What did Salahudin in Jerusalem?
@icelerate8141
4 жыл бұрын
I like how Salih doesn't throw the Sultan under the bus like a lot of Muslims who criticize Erdogan's decision do.
@dukkhobilashi
3 жыл бұрын
The hadith about conquest of Constantinople has not yet as taken place, this will come after the Malhama. And the Malhama has not yet as taken place. This has been challenged and debunked many times over. Listen to Sheikh Imran Hussain.
@hafsachaudhary2240
4 жыл бұрын
After watching Roshan Salihs interview by Dilly on a previous episode, I'm really surprised hes taking the position that is in opposition to the restoration of the mosque. I wonder if he has read Shaykh Yasir Qadhis post on the matter- it was a really good experience as to why it was the right choice. Allah knows best.
@theboz5206
4 жыл бұрын
Sultan Fatih Mehmet paid the money and purchased Hagia Sophia. It's a Mosque if that is the will of the Turkish people.
@mamunalmamun3701
4 жыл бұрын
عَنْ مُعَاذِ بْنِ جَبَلٍ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم " عُمْرَانُ بَيْتِ الْمَقْدِسِ خَرَابُ يَثْرِبَ وَخَرَابُ يَثْرِبَ خُرُوجُ الْمَلْحَمَةِ وَخُرُوجُ الْمَلْحَمَةِ فَتْحُ قُسْطَنْطِينِيَّةَ وَفَتْحُ الْقُسْطَنْطِينِيَّةِ خُرُوجُ الدَّجَّالِ " . ثُمَّ ضَرَبَ بِيَدِهِ عَلَى فَخِذِ الَّذِي حَدَّثَ - أَوْ مَنْكِبِهِ - ثُمَّ قَالَ إِنَّ هَذَا لَحَقٌّ كَمَا أَنَّكَ هَا هُنَا أَوْ كَمَا أَنَّكَ قَاعِدٌ . يَعْنِي مُعَاذَ بْنَ جَبَلٍ . মু‘আয ইবনু জাবাল (রাঃ) থেকে বর্ণিতঃ তিনি বলেন, রাসূলুল্লাহ (সাল্লাল্লাহু ‘আলাইহি ওয়া সাল্লাম) বলেনঃ বাইতুল মাকদিসে বসতি স্থাপন ইয়াসরিবের বিপর্যয়ের কারণ হবে এবং ইয়াসরিবের বিপর্যয় সংঘাতের কারণ হবে। যুদ্ধের ফলে কুসতুনতীনিয়া বিজিত হবে এবং কুসতুনতীনিয়া বিজয় দাজ্জালের আবির্ভাবের আলামত। অতঃপর রাসূলুল্লাহ (সাল্লাল্লাহু ‘আলাইহি ওয়া সাল্লাম) যার নিকট হাদীস বর্ণনা করেছেন তার ঊরুতে বা কাঁধে নিজের হাত দ্বারা মৃদু আঘাত করে বলেন, এটা নিশ্চত সত্য, যেমন তুমি এখানে উপস্থিত, যেমন তুমি এখানে বসা আছো। অর্থাৎ তিনি মু‘আয ইবনু যাবাল (রাঃ)-কে লক্ষ্য করে বলেন।
@mamunalmamun3701
4 жыл бұрын
So what is the status about Sultan Mohammad Fateh? Certainly he is not the man prophesied by our nabi Muhammad sm
@MohOz
4 жыл бұрын
13:20 Islam is not "4 schools of thought". Islam is Quran and Sunnah .. there is a possibility that all 4 schools of thoughts are wrong in a matter but I haven't come across quite frankly. All these talk about madhabs Hanafi Shafi etc and we all United is load of nonsense. It's only division and I know as I come from predominant hanafi background and hanafis are wrong in soooomany fiqi issues.. some major ones like Salah.. they ascribe it to following imam Abu Hanifa rahimahumAllah but rather they are transgressors and their transgression has nothing to do with the great scholar himself. Only person who deserves to be followed is RasulAllah s.a.w as he is free from sins and mistakes..
@ztoefy4026
4 жыл бұрын
Why were the christians complaining when it was never a church for over 500 years. It's not like a current church that was being used and they were kicked out so tha we can build a mosque. It's a Museum made into a mosque and the museum aspects are still available just not during prayer times. It just highlights the islamaphobia there is in the world.
@ARON_1100
4 жыл бұрын
Roshan salih is a genuine person.... Ready to listen, he also made some good arguments.
@jbrs78611
4 жыл бұрын
He was a notable cheerleader of Assad too once upon a time. His affiliation with Press TV n all. He is just on the wrong side of history and not someone we should be taking seriously.
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
4 жыл бұрын
@@jbrs78611 cia backed iran in 79 as a repsonse to israelis losing the sinai... to Egypt war and Saudi oil boycotts, something to remember/ Iran the original jet bombers took in al queda and aided neo cons like chalabi lie on iraq wmds.
@Itz_HFA
4 жыл бұрын
Very good debate but too many glitches
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
4 жыл бұрын
brother i suggest be careful of the number 786 its linked to numereology linked to masonry!
@yousufebrahim
4 жыл бұрын
1. Couldn’t make it through this video as one participant kept interrupting the other and squirrelling the topic (without saying which). 2. It would be a sad “state of the ummah” if people are more focused on the trivial conversion of a building rather than more fundamental matters of faith.
@tk_maj2972
4 жыл бұрын
I mean if taking our rights back and acting just to the people who own the building who want it to become a masjid offends the non Muslims. Then idc
@mrnomad1737
4 жыл бұрын
Does one think that Sultan Fateh is masum. He might have been a wonderful leader but in no way this by no means makes him correct in all thing. Some of the ottoman jurist also allowed killing of sultans children for sake of political stability.. This is endogan trying to shore up support and has little to do with any Islamic ethics.
@mresq9202
4 жыл бұрын
@9-11 is a Judeo PNAC inside job kzitem.info/news/bejne/rpdr02SfhWmUlqg
@BacteroidGetToKnow
4 жыл бұрын
The hadith pertaining to Constantinople was not in reference to Mehmed. It was in reference to Mahdi conquering at the end of time.
@mresq9202
4 жыл бұрын
you may have a point kzitem.info/news/bejne/rpdr02SfhWmUlqg
@ahmedw5
4 жыл бұрын
Roshan brother we should not fear any type of fitnah or retaliation from the disbelievers. That is what the hypocrites used to fear as Allah mentioned in Surah Ma'idah verse 52: "So you see those in whose hearts is disease *hastening into [association with] them,* saying, *"We are afraid a misfortune may strike us."* But *perhaps Allah will bring conquest or a decision from Him,* and they will become, over what they have been concealing within themselves, regretful."
@supercar_fortress1821
4 жыл бұрын
question. why as muslims we choose to ruin ties with a people who the Quran says "When rum is victorious the muslims will celebrate " ?
@peteryoakim9243
4 жыл бұрын
ADDING TO MY PREVIOUS COMMENT REGARDING AGIA SOPHIA. ARE YOU STILL WONDERING WHY ISLAM IS UNPOPULAR. STOP TRYING TO GAIN POPULARITY AND ACCEPTANCE BY AGGRESSIVE ACTIONS. LOOK DEEP INSIDE YOURSELVES. SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
@mohimlaskar3733
4 жыл бұрын
Has Islam only to be the custodian of all hard correctness ? and rest all will enjoy the pleasure of all opportunitism. Every tat must deal by a tit equally.
@hfwilmot
4 жыл бұрын
Ahmed Rehab wrote: Some might see reclaiming disputed relics as a sort of restoration of self-worth and reclamation of a bygone golden age. That’s fine. Let them. May I dare to differ? I will celebrate when we reclaim our global role in innovation and inventiveness as the true restoration of a golden age - or more accurately, the chartering of a new one. Relics and symbols are often used the world over as emotional fodder, red meat to the masses. Sometimes with a religious flavor, sometimes a nationalistic flavor, or another flavor. And I am personally offended when politicians tap into emotional fodder that is designed to lull us into excitement for a return to greatness. Sound familiar? But as a Muslim thinker, it is not investment in decrepit “brick and mortar” that I crave as the winning unit of my civilization but investment in decrepit “men and women.” The human. And while one is lionized and the other neglected, I must object. We are worth it. It is public responsibility number one. And so it is not progress on glory projects like bridges or malls or airports or walls or churches or even Mosques that signifies greatness to me, or progress, but a world class investment in our human development: education, and the preservation of the dignity and rights of all human beings on our watch. Stones of the past versus souls of the future.
@ibrahimsharara6753
4 жыл бұрын
Just to be very short, hopefully not to be unjust to this subject . The man on the right is speaking with a lot of lack of knowledge and misjudgment on the "current international islamic condition " Edit: just maybe to attempt to summarize in maybe some points 1) Cultural importance /ramifications: in all occupational incidents of any country over the other, their is always an attempt on changing culture (language , values ...etc), thus this is a of root importance 2) tolerance: if in today's day and age the Tolerance values are the most propogated , then it should be mutual at least ...especially from the side that claims it ,if u get that gist . 3) Political relations : this cannot be seen without the ambient of international political scene going on right now ,especially in that region currently
@mresq9202
4 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/rpdr02SfhWmUlqg
@ibrahimsharara6753
4 жыл бұрын
@@mresq9202 brother , firstly ,thats fallacy and it is besides the point . To reply though to the many wrongs in the video (btw I'm an athari and I see the others are at least stupid :D) just to reply with at least 1 example, the hadith is saheeh and/ or hasan in musnad Ahmed and other sources,, and/or "lahu mutab'a" in bukhari's "altarekh alkabeer". But again ,that's besides the point .aside all other ways to answer (like politics and social importance) If we want to go by only islamic rulings , when a land is conquered (in battle) all places of worship can be turned ,but if it falls in accordance or surrender ,they are to be agreed upon with the pple of the land . May Allah bless u and guide us all
@mresq9202
4 жыл бұрын
@@ibrahimsharara6753 i didnt see any dispute on the turning place of worship issue, only on the ascribing the hadith to mehmed. also, the hadith in musnad ahmad is daeef - unless you're referring to a i different hadith that the one discussed
@ibrahimsharara6753
4 жыл бұрын
@@mresq9202 yes I agree with yr sentiment, and my argument had nothing to do with that hadith at all (and frankly it's "Hasan" in musnad Ahmed ) , musnad Ahmed doesn't have classifications , he states the ahadith in order of authenticity, what he calls "mutatabe3at") so the guy on the right in the video is spewing I'll informed opinions . We are not perfect and we will never be , but when sth good happens we must acknowledge it within its correct boundaries , like I stated in abbreviation in my first comment. And jzk Allahu Khair for Ur will to help :)
@mresq9202
4 жыл бұрын
@@ibrahimsharara6753 Shuayb Arnaut graded the hadith in Ahmad weak. pls refer to the video link i posted above - unless we're referring to different hadith. in which case of course khayr inshaAllah
@Nurluminated
4 жыл бұрын
Why don’t recep Erdogan and other supporters for this move make sound about changing the monetary system in Turkey using riba which ALLAH CALLED it a war against him
@sunemfamily4971
4 жыл бұрын
Should I tell what Sheikh Imran Hosein says?
@uraharasshop3547
4 жыл бұрын
Br dilly is right but is being a little rude roshan in my opinion. Remember we’re brothers
@osman7240
4 жыл бұрын
Sultan Mehmet doesn't qualify to be the conqueror of constantinople.
@mresq9202
4 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/rpdr02SfhWmUlqg you may have a point
@sufimasfi
4 жыл бұрын
I understand both sides but I wish I more of the history.
@sufimasfi
4 жыл бұрын
But I slightly agree with Dilly more.
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
4 жыл бұрын
@@sufimasfi I agree with him much more because there is halal ways to turn other prayers places into MAsjids, like Masjid al Aqsa was with non Muslims and then Muslims took it over into a Masjid!
@ahmedw5
4 жыл бұрын
My man Dilly, barak Allahu feekum 👏👏👏
@ahmedd320
4 жыл бұрын
Agree with Roshan
@mrmsali7689
4 жыл бұрын
Disagree 1000% with Roshan as well as very disappointed. I thought Roshan was better than those celebrities so call scholars in the western. Who receive cash for their institutions from regime their are work with. Very sad that Muslims do not have the knowledge and understanding of the Islamic rulings. Hope Roshan ain't receiving cash from western regimes for his INSTITUTION lol
@zeyadkenawi8268
4 жыл бұрын
agree with secularism not islam
@TheGerrard000
4 жыл бұрын
I’ve written a book... gosh. Sorry. No one will read it anyway 😂 Strongly Disagree that the army the Prophet mentions in the Hadith is Sultan Mehmet. Sultan Mehmet upon taking Constantinople claimed himself as Caesar of the Roman Empire and the Ottoman State as a continuation of the Roman Empire until his death. This was abandoned later by his successors. He also had self portraits commissioned, strong info on procuring young men for his harem. But importantly he didn’t conquer Rome nor hold Jerusalem during his reign. Sultan Mehmet did good things but this man and his army are not who the Prophet (pbuh) is describing. Strongly believe the leader and army that the Prophet (pbuh) describes is the Mehdi. Who is mentioned in Hadith to conquer Jerusalem, to conquer Constantinople without a fight and Rome all at the same time. With regards to Hagia Sophia being used as a mosque... you have to understand the rules of Turkey being ‘allowed’ to set up a secular state with a puppet leader with a Jewish background. No more Khalifa and Hagia Sophia stops being a mosque. This move by Erdogan basically says that time is over. They are much more independent now and answer to no one. The original conversion of Hagia Sophia into a mosque sent shockwaves through Europe. It united the Spanish and they ended up butchering all the mosques in Spain and making them churches in response. I think what Erdogan proposes is that daily prayers are going to be held there and during non prayer times can be used for visitors/tourists. Which seems more than fine. If you’ve ever stood in an old musjid in Spain that’s been converted into a church but still holds a lot of the musjids architecture then you’ll know that feeling that the musjid is crying for someone to call the adhan and people to pray to Allah. You feel the epic sadness of the musjid bearing down on you asking for help. Why were all these musjids taken away from our ancestors? What were they being punished for? Because we shouldn’t repeat it. The Prophet (pbuh) said muslims should not travel to visit any musjids specifically to pray unless it is to 3 places only: Makka, Medina and Jerusalem. I’ll end this long reply with this: if it’s time to pray and you’re at Hagia Sophia or live close by, then there should be space to pray. Let the adhan ring out at Hagia Sophia for those who need a place to pray insha’Allah
@agffans5725
4 жыл бұрын
TheGerrard000 wrote >This move by Erdogan basically says that time is over. They are much more independent now and answer to no one. < The problem is that both Turkey and the whole of the Middle East is highly dependent on the West, not least a financially weak Turkey which I suspect is why Erdogan is trying to bring up religious issues in hope it will make him popular when the Turkish economy crash and burn after the Crronavirus crisis.
@TheGerrard000
4 жыл бұрын
AGF fans I very much agree that every ‘muslim’ country is massively influenced/controlled by the west. If they don’t conform they are taken out and replaced. This has been happening since they divided up the lands after the 1st world war. Every country on Earth will be financially effected by Covid. For whatever reason he has done this, I don’t think it’s a bad one.
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheGerrard000 " If they don’t conform they are taken out and replaced. " - safety is in Allah's control. Allah says in Quran 24 :55 Tawhid is linked to safety and shirk like we see in sufi and shia lands india and iraq is linked to colonization in hadiths. this is from their bida division, is ppl follow TAwhid and Sunnah we'd be united and victorious easily.
@TheGerrard000
4 жыл бұрын
False sects like shia are judeo ibn saba made Interesting. The people that are currently facing big issues are being punished? I would tend to agree with this.
@hfwilmot
4 жыл бұрын
Safi Kaskas commented:· One question I raised still without an answer, "Who are we? How do we conceive our role in the world during the next one hundred years?" unless we answer this question, all our reactions to current issues will be just that reactions. Enjoy the momentary emotional fix you got from turning the Museum into a Mosque. My choice would have been to return the church into a church. Muslims who understand Islam based on Qur'an and the correct Sunnah, think strategically not emotionally. We can't be the best nation given to humanity if we continue to be reactionaries.
@neresbarbosa7671
4 жыл бұрын
Islam will fall.
@zubairkhanbaloch9110
4 жыл бұрын
Congratulations Brothers ! Very positive debate , with rich , logical reasoning , history, precedents . Comments of 225 persons add additional value to it . God bless you both. Keep it up . One thing : We in Pakistan love and respect Kamal Atatürk and believe that no one can match his role and command in Gallipoli . Remarks about him could be toned down . I request you to arrange and produce a similar debate on KASHMIR. Illustrating the aggressions of India , Powers backing India , role of the Muslim World , the UNO .
@mresq9202
4 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/rpdr02SfhWmUlqg
@mehmet20003
3 жыл бұрын
How can yall love and respect a guy like that?
@TheTraditionalway
4 жыл бұрын
We don’t have to ask anyone, what’s a matter with you guys
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