Primarily discussing immigration and assimilation. Outro music: / destiny-comp-challenge... __________________________ Watch the stream at www.destiny.gg/bigscreen !
No fair Jontron has auto aim locked on his own foot
@markrichardson2512
4 жыл бұрын
Passed this comment three times before I understood the joke
@red2theelectricboogaloo961
4 жыл бұрын
@@markrichardson2512 he shot himself in the foot.
@red2theelectricboogaloo961
4 жыл бұрын
@Mason Bee i don't even know about that though. i think he was just shooting himself in the foot over and over again until he bled out, almost.
@camerongoddard1638
4 жыл бұрын
Mason Bee what was he right about?
@red2theelectricboogaloo961
4 жыл бұрын
@@camerongoddard1638 yeah >implying jontron was right >jontron was right >confusion.jpg
@VagineerHuur
3 жыл бұрын
Jontron is what happens when someone forms political opinions solely from /pol/ and SJW OWNED compilations
@fightfannerd2078
3 жыл бұрын
Green you idiot
@fightfannerd2078
3 жыл бұрын
@@Soosss it's not dying even the left hates you guys
@user-wu1us1yh3n
3 жыл бұрын
@@fightfannerd2078 You good bro?
@yoavsnake
3 жыл бұрын
+
@dancingvalkyrie
3 жыл бұрын
Sjws are still cringe cucklords though, whether youre left or right.
@grrggrrg4805
Жыл бұрын
Jontron: "Wealthy blacks commit more crime than poor whites. Look it up." ... *Seconds later* ... Destiny: "Black people generally receive harsher prison sentences than whites" Jontron: "That's ridiculous"
@k9guy
Жыл бұрын
both Jon's and Destiny's statements were true
@ulfenburg7539
Жыл бұрын
@@gwen534 well tbh the BLM has been nothing but bad
@brandon13980
Жыл бұрын
@@k9guy not really. Only source I can find says black kids are more likely to go to jail.
@c0rpse1
Жыл бұрын
black people generally receive harsher sentences because they are repeat offenders more on average + resist arrest and what not. do you think they get "good behavior" while inside? I think not. its a deceptive statistic, kinda like women being paid less.
@sameash3153
Жыл бұрын
@@k9guy Didn't the person who made the infographic that JonTron was referencing email Destiny and tell him he just made this up?
@ally_defrates
2 жыл бұрын
JonTron: Irish people were never oppressed. That’s just a myth. My Irish ancestors that fled Ireland to escape the Potato Famine and English persecution only to experience discrimination in the US: 🧍🏻♀️
@scarletcrusade77
2 жыл бұрын
Millions of Irish fled Ireland to England and settled there. They weren't persecuted when they lived in England, its just the rule in Ireland was crap which started the famine.
@PR--un4ub
2 жыл бұрын
@@scarletcrusade77 Still here?
@josgretf2800
2 жыл бұрын
even worst: the irish weren't allowed to have jobs in america at one point, but people of color could.
@riatorex8722
2 жыл бұрын
The examples are everywhere. Play BioShock infinite for crying out loud. How does be think Irish oppression didn’t exist?
@VarietyVideoGamer
2 жыл бұрын
@@scarletcrusade77 dude no. My mother and Aunt were in London in the 1980s and were horrifically persecuted because of their Irishness You don't know what you're talking about dude. Also the famine in ireland shouldn't be considered a famine because it was basically man-made crimes against humanity by the English. You're talking shite lad.
@joshuawinters19
3 жыл бұрын
This debate felt like choosing the wrong dialog option EVERY time
@Ragitsu
3 жыл бұрын
^ When you _think_ you're a better speed-runner than you actually are.
@joshuawinters19
3 жыл бұрын
@@Ragitsu 🤣🤣
@rudrank819
3 жыл бұрын
Life is just a telltale game and JonTron is the protagonist who's being controlled by an absolute jokster of a player.
@TKaxemurderer
3 жыл бұрын
@Maurits You forgot option D. C'mon man
@termile7411
3 жыл бұрын
@@rudrank819 a dude on his 5th playthrough trying to get the bad ending ha
@iliyan.6618
5 жыл бұрын
>Think's SJW's argue with feelings instead of facts. >Answers Destiny using feelings and thoughts instead of facts.
@pride7416
5 жыл бұрын
entirety of the alt right does exactly everything they hate. they're the most easy to trigger too, yet they throw that word around all the time as if they're the ones with iron skin.
@yourfriendlyneighborhoodpl9761
5 жыл бұрын
@@pride7416 they don't see it that way they see themselves as the good guys or something.
@RedPlaystationController
5 жыл бұрын
Destiny is not an SJW. An SJW is to liberalism what an extremist is to religion.
@MemesnShet
5 жыл бұрын
This such a good way of resuming it
@MemesnShet
5 жыл бұрын
This such a good way of resuming it
@williamelliott186
2 жыл бұрын
As a gay man, I genuinely enjoy a good cheek clapping here and there, but jontron has shown me I have not been getting clapped up right. This is how you get bent over.
@starmorpheus
2 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@diegocarbajal6660
2 жыл бұрын
Hahahah good one lol
@kingrollypollyvii5565
2 жыл бұрын
This is gross. I would not want you around me or my children. Or children period. Gross wierdo.
@olive5261
2 жыл бұрын
My favorite comment on this entire platform
@Nyquiltips1
2 жыл бұрын
Lol you libs have such a shitty sense of humor. Like who finds this comment funny
@maxresdefault7047
2 жыл бұрын
It would take you 5 seconds to find out that Anti Irish Sentiment is a historical fact and persisted well into the 1950s and 60s. Jontron is killing my braincells here bro
@PR--un4ub
2 жыл бұрын
@@kg356 I'm not sure what you're trying to defend.
@SPENCEx1x3
5 күн бұрын
Columbus Day first happened as a reaction to anti Italian lynchings in New Orleans too.
@milai2865
4 жыл бұрын
japan: *is racist* jontron: model society
@ludvighauger5044
4 жыл бұрын
mila i as an expat in Japan, I can confirm it
@bukchoiboi1611
4 жыл бұрын
Jon Tron was watching too much anime lol
@augustebengtrosaupan308
3 жыл бұрын
@x Florio "so?"
@kermitmurder5536
3 жыл бұрын
@@ludvighauger5044 I think with a lot of expats living in Japan go away with this notion, they start really happy and enjoying it but after a bit the politeness seems fake and then you notice people staring at you and alot of the time people start to hate living there because they fell like an outcast. Your experience mat be completely different but if this is what you experienced then dont think its because the people didn't like you, it's part of the culture to be almost robotic while working and many of them are still surprised to see a foreigner but dont get the wrong impression.
@mattwong5403
3 жыл бұрын
@@kermitmurder5536 There's racism in Japan since they aren't used to seeing people who aren't Japanese. In the USA, it's due to explicit hatred of minority ethnic groups and the history of slavery and segregation. I can't think of any Japanese equivalents to the KKK or any racial supremacy recent riots in Japan similar to Charlottesville
@kennethbaker5573
5 жыл бұрын
“America and Europe are the same”- someone who’s literally never been to europe
@SgabelloBello
5 жыл бұрын
While I agree that America and Europe are completely different (Europe is not culturally homogeneous in the first place), you don't have to physically visit Europe to understand that. You just have to open the fucking history books :/ And read them. Probably not the ones made by the kind of people that think that the States are the center of the damn universe and that everyone else lives in 3rd country shitholes.
@coby4480
5 жыл бұрын
SgabelloBello I mean chances are if you live in another country America has either whooped or saved your ass at least once.
@SgabelloBello
5 жыл бұрын
@@coby4480 How is that in any way connected to what we were talking about?
@coby4480
5 жыл бұрын
SgabelloBello cuz you shat on america
@justanotherweirdo11
5 жыл бұрын
Americans did not consider themselves European. They left for a reason.
@youreokayboah2128
2 жыл бұрын
Jesus, I thought JonTron “racism” was extremely over-exaggerated, but after watching this it’s hard to defend him.
@haruhirogrimgar6047
2 жыл бұрын
Impossible*
@BigCalGotADraco
2 жыл бұрын
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Its actually easy to agree with him you just need to be a neo-nazi and/or white nationalist
@Sprite_525
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Lots of clipped compilations tried to cover for Jon but Having the unedited long version available settled it for me
@shaddaboop7998
Жыл бұрын
This was a long time ago. Nothing he's said or done since has supported the argument that he currently believes any of the nonsense he spouted on this stream. Why does it still matter?
@haruhirogrimgar6047
Жыл бұрын
@@shaddaboop7998 He very explicity tweeted pro-trump sentiments and made an anti-vax video full of either out-dated or blatantly incorrect information. He also never apologized for these takes and said he disagrees with them based on how horrendeous they are. He should not still be allowed on youtube.
@cldomed550
Жыл бұрын
I’m Mexican, John saying “Mexicans are gonna rape and commit crimes” is just, wild. I immigrated here with my mom, I graduated Highschool, made it though collage, and currently looking for a job. I can’t name a single illegal thing I’ve done, my white friends are a whole different story
@cldomed550
Жыл бұрын
@Adam Apocalypse shut up n!66@
@thefrenchareharlequins2743
Жыл бұрын
@Adam Apocalypse statistics in relation to action are a historical happenstance
@GrimlyYours
Жыл бұрын
I hope the job search is going/has gone well, buddy ♡♡♡
@cldomed550
Жыл бұрын
@@GrimlyYours shut up n!66@
@Taboomix
Жыл бұрын
Good for you? Nobody cares bro
@passionofthecrust9173
4 жыл бұрын
I'd honestly thought that the whole "Johntron is a nazi" thing was just overblown drama. That opinion got destroyed about 2 minutes into the video.
@Illumirage
4 жыл бұрын
i'm pretty sure you don't know what a nazi is
@passionofthecrust9173
4 жыл бұрын
@@Illumirage Are you going to go with one of those literalist "the nazis were like 70 years ago bro" arguments, or are you just being pedantic? Fine, i'll be less literal. Johntron was called out for saying questionable shit, and it turns the questionable shit was way more extreme than I thought
@carrier2823
4 жыл бұрын
Damien INSANE-O “just because I believe in racial supremacy and want an ethnostate I am suddenly a nazi?”
@Illumirage
4 жыл бұрын
@@carrier2823 I don't believe in either of those. Just don't like being told I'm about to disappear is all. Nobody would want that. Look at you attempting to ridicule me for an innate human instinct. I'm half expecting you to start attacking me for blinking next....
@Illumirage
4 жыл бұрын
@@passionofthecrust9173 _"Are you going to go with one of those literalist the nazis were like 70 years ago bro arguments, or are you just being pedantic?"_ That's not where I was going but I don't necessarily disagree with that. Because my grandfather fought them, ACTUAL not sees, not these average everyday conservatives you consider to be them now. The amt. of real not sees in America couldn't even fill a middle school gymnasium. _"Fine, i'll be less literal. Johntron was called out for saying questionable shit, and it turns the questionable shit was way more extreme than I thought"_ I don't know that it really was. He wasn't eloquent, but a lot of this core concepts aren't really that off.... This just feels like typical liberal gaslighting, pretend everyone's on your side when most people aren't.
@RKFCGSBGK
5 жыл бұрын
The fact that jon really used his feelings to deny the irish racism in early america is where everyone should see he is not someone who knows anything about history. He just knows a few talking points that is repeated by others like him. He doesn't understand anything he talks about on a deeper level.
@marv34001
5 жыл бұрын
youre telling me that people thought irish werent europeans.
@RKFCGSBGK
5 жыл бұрын
marv34001 Yes that's exactly what I'm telling you. Go read a history book about the mass immigration going on during the industrial revolution.
@marv34001
5 жыл бұрын
@@RKFCGSBGK go read a history book isnt an argument, in order for any ethnic group of people to mass immigrate in the times before the hellen keller act, that ethnic group had to be recognized as white by state, people might not have liked them but that doesn't mean they couldnt see the obvious racial similarities
@marv34001
5 жыл бұрын
@@aaronwu1572 you think that was an actual criticism of their race, or is it a criticism of their behavior?
@sylvestergharold7265
5 жыл бұрын
Every mass immigration group to America has faced this scrutiny and hostility. First it was the Irish and Eastern Europeans, then the Chinese, and now the Mexicans and Muslims. In most cases, they legally could not become citizens, as in it was quite impossible to. It’s the same story all over again.
@southbayjay2540
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen some interesting debate tactics, but laughing smugly every time you get cornered is a new one
@preussianblau5595
Жыл бұрын
He's laughing because those buzzwords and slurs aren't shaming him out of his position.
@glossyplane542
Жыл бұрын
@@preussianblau5595 is this seriously a pro jontron comment? Are you serious?
@samasbury4872
Жыл бұрын
JonTron doesn’t let silly little things like logically coherent arguments change his mind
@retrohanska4441
Жыл бұрын
@@preussianblau5595 the buzzwords he was throwing weren't shaming himself out of his position? What?
@preussianblau5595
Жыл бұрын
@@retrohanska4441 racist, sexist, bigot, homophobe, anti semite, Islamophobia and on and in and on.
@okiepc6328
2 жыл бұрын
It still amazes me how everyone seems to forget the part where JonTron says, out loud, in the middle of the debate, “I believe race effects culture” - and then minutes later doesn’t wanna get into why black people in America commit a disproportionate amount of crime, getting uncomfortable and arguing Destiny is trying to “trap” him. Very, VERY telling.
@PR--un4ub
2 жыл бұрын
Racism is inherently self-defeating in the long run.
@Roflcrabs
2 жыл бұрын
affects* culture
@penjamin1479
Жыл бұрын
"NOOOO DESTINY DONT MAKE ME SAY SOMETHING RACIST NOOOOOO AAAAH" - JonTron
@yesyes-om1po
Жыл бұрын
@@penjamin1479 Racism in of itself isn't even a bad term, you could be racist by just acknowledging the fact that race exists and there are fundamental differences between a black/asian/white person.
@reiggier9211
Жыл бұрын
@yes yes the definition of racism is "discrimination based on race" which is inherently immoral 100% of the time
@fraug8624
4 жыл бұрын
Destiny: bro wtf is your argument? Jontron: we live in a society
@BatmanisBatman
4 жыл бұрын
Lmaooo
@Cobalt985
4 жыл бұрын
"black people amirite"
@Jacob-nh9yv
4 жыл бұрын
You idiot, we live on a deserted island with a bunch of choir boys who are a little to quick to start murdering pigs with sticks.
@Greyz174
3 жыл бұрын
duality of man
@ChristianFrates1997
2 жыл бұрын
Where honor is a distant memory.
@SillyNep
4 жыл бұрын
"you're living in a fantasy land" proceeds to say there isn't discrimination in America
@leaderofthebunch-deadbeat7716
3 жыл бұрын
There isn't
@bones_man327
3 жыл бұрын
@@leaderofthebunch-deadbeat7716 hey bro, do me a favor. Watch. The fucking. Video.
@recusantcatholicgroyper101
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's called affirmative action.
@MUGENGaming
3 жыл бұрын
@@recusantcatholicgroyper101 ...which benefits white people (the women specifically) the most. LUL
@recusantcatholicgroyper101
3 жыл бұрын
@@MUGENGaming Merely the opposite really
@robertesquivel2809
2 жыл бұрын
John’s argument : Dude, come on.
@SpuddyWesker
2 жыл бұрын
dude come on, jon was right.
@chibiraptor
2 жыл бұрын
I basically agreed with jontron back when this happened. Coming back to listen to him... holy FUCK I was racist.
@gottablast918
2 жыл бұрын
Or you just really liked Jontron and were really young. Might be the same thing idk.
@chibiraptor
2 жыл бұрын
@@gottablast918 i wasn't a full on nazi or anything, but I bought basically all of jons talking points, which I understand now the only thing underlying his talking points is a racist attitude towards brown people.
@Roflcrabs
2 жыл бұрын
So let me get this straight, 5 years ago you weren't aware that you were racist? Racism has always had a pretty definitive definition: believing one race is superior to another. The basic rule of thumb is just treat everyone you meet as equal, you weren't doing that up until a few weeks ago?
@chibiraptor
2 жыл бұрын
@@Roflcrabs just treating people you meet as equals isn't the entirety of racism. The idea that immigrants are criminals is racist. I didn't think that Mexican people were worse than white Americans, and I'd probably treat a Mexican person or a white American the same if I met them. But the question is, where does the idea that Mexican immigrants are criminals come from? It certainly doesn't come from statistics. It's an idea that stems from racism.
@jaydenc367
2 жыл бұрын
Eh...I don't think you were racist, you both were just ignorant and naive it seems.
@lyricbarnik1557
4 жыл бұрын
"we have a police force to fight oppression" that aged well
@Lee-fw5bd
4 жыл бұрын
yeah... that deserves a f in the chat.
@stpedro-ht9ng
4 жыл бұрын
I bet JonTron scrambled to find a way to call George Floyd a thug that deserved to be killed.
@georgenaron5603
4 жыл бұрын
@@stpedro-ht9ng no one deserves to die but he was a life long thug no one would argue that he isnt
@stpedro-ht9ng
4 жыл бұрын
@@georgenaron5603 Anyone can have a terrible past. Its just really irrelevant and is only brought up to say the officers did nothing wrong.
@commandermerc58
4 жыл бұрын
@@georgenaron5603 Who cares honestly brass tax here an officer went out of line and wash;t immediately detained because the system works in his favor. Imagine if it didn't go viral. Oh wait we don't have to there are dozens more cases like that, which were only reopened when community leaders used the momentum of the protests to bring awareness. The "but he deserved it" rhetoric is terrible and unlawful. Rules are set in place and we expect those enforcing them to be an example and follow them.
@CoLeMaWeSoMe
5 жыл бұрын
Jon, man, I can’t defend you. This came off as racist, incredibly so.
@code8825
5 жыл бұрын
DabbingSquidward sure? Somebody is still allowed to leave a comment.
@Illumirage
5 жыл бұрын
@@code8825 racist? How? White people wanting countries with other white people in them is racist?
@notacop1067
5 жыл бұрын
Damien INSANE-O why does race matter?
@Illumirage
5 жыл бұрын
@@notacop1067 why doesn't it matter?
@captain_swaggin4065
5 жыл бұрын
Damien INSANE-O but why does it matter
@josevonbuergenwader2
2 жыл бұрын
DEBATE TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Introduction 3:20 Is America European? 5:09 Identity politics and historic oppression 8:14 People are shaped by their environments 11:31 Who’s responsible for fixing it? 12:53 Japan: a model society? 15:07 JonTron: “When you get condescending…” 17:06 Destiny: “I think it’s a beautiful thing.” 18:07 Are things falling apart? 19:52 Italians and the Irish 22:11 Trump’s racism 23:21 White displacement 31:14 White interests, red vs blue states 35:53 Crime and race 37:57 Does race matter? 38:45 JonTron: “Nobody wants to become a minority in their own country.” 41:14 JonTron: “Immigrants will turn the US into Mexico, live on welfare and commit crimes” 43:12 Immigration and the economy 48:14 More comparisons to Europe 56:30 Back to immigration and the economy 1:01:25 Assimilation and JonTron almost goes max cringe 1:05:06 Black Lives Matter 1:12:27 Back to Europe once again 1:14:24 JonTron: “We’ve gotten rid of discrimination in our western countries.” 1:15:52 Differences in the Middle East 1:17:50 Closing words from JonTron POST-DEBATE 1:18:25 Post-debate and talking to chat 1:20:26 “You should have established the definition of whiteness early on.” 1:22:25 “You should have pressed him on Africa.” 1:22:34 “Why is it bad to have white pride?” 1:23:16 “Do you think JonTron left questioning why he had no answers?” 1:23:43 “Why do black people commit more crime? Do black people not have control of their actions?” 1:25:58 Stefan Molyneux is a sophist. 1:27:34 “He was wrong about poor black people committing more crime.” 1:29:42 “Planned Parenthood conflicts with the South’s religious views.” 1:30:39 Destiny: “I’m not an SJW. Don’t witch-hunt.” 1:31:44 “Where do you stand on Native-American rights?” 1:32:59 “What about immigration from Muslim countries?” 1:33:26 “Would you debate Shoeonhead?” 1:33:58 Pewdiepie 1:34:26 Parroting talking points without being able to back it up, politics shaped by narrow paradigms 1:38:11 JonTron’s use of the terms “virtue signaling” and “identity politics” 1:42:10 Comparing petty crimes to more serious crimes 1:43:19 When JonTron brought up the gene pool LOL 1:43:38 1:45:26 Illegal immigrants paying taxes? 1:44:34 1:46:02 Why Destiny didn’t want go into Europe and Africa 1:49:00 1:56:08 Religious culture vs secularism 1:54:05 Contraception
@carlwheezer1030
2 жыл бұрын
This man's is a god
@dandromeda1
9 ай бұрын
Oh damn you're awesome
@josevonbuergenwader2
9 ай бұрын
@@dandromeda1 Thank you! Hope it helps!
@rossmanmagnus
8 ай бұрын
thank you esaint
@whoknows5093
8 ай бұрын
Hell yeah
@rcurl44
2 жыл бұрын
I went back to this video just to realize how fucking stupid I was to think that Jontron did nothing wrong. Big yikes.
@antonyduhamel1166
Ай бұрын
How ironic that you could take the clip of him talking about race and edit in "I don't like where this is going..." And it would be completely on point and relatable.
@HazelSolitaire
3 жыл бұрын
Everytime Jon chuckles he loses an inch off of his health bar
@OMJunkie
3 жыл бұрын
i felt that lol
@cobaj6226
3 жыл бұрын
When in doubt smugly laugh to hide your pain
@therealrussellsmyth
3 жыл бұрын
Haha
@swish153
3 жыл бұрын
He learnt that shit for Sargon, it was so obvious lmao
@wherefancytakesme
3 жыл бұрын
Jon "RIP my career" Jafari
@Qwazin
5 жыл бұрын
Jon: I understand we are talking in broad generalizations here. Destiny: We can talk in specifics if you want. Jon: No no no
@PAA1992
4 жыл бұрын
You took that out of context, jon did not say "no no no" to talking in specifics at all, if you listen to what he said it was "no no no that's not what I'm saying" so he was replying to something else destiny said.
@teddroberts2918
4 жыл бұрын
The fact that this gets so many likes is evidence of how dishonest liberal folks are.
@maggiepaul5911
4 жыл бұрын
@shankapuppet he doesn't have to.. Destiny explained multiple times that once you get dug into a certain level of conspiracy theory, it can get difficult to refute. He used the example that he probably wouldn't be able to debate the worlds best flat earther, but that it doesnt mean that you're then forced to take flat earth as a legitimate theory. The problem is that Ryan Faulks positions are so unfounded by modern consensus on iQ that it is almost parallel to the flat earth theory(it is). Besides, destiny did a pretty good job, so I don't know why you're gloating. I think it's pretty insane that people like you legitimately expect mainstream academia to look at these fake ass secluded websites(like the alt hype) and take it seriously. These websites are created to validate the world views of people like you. These ideas should've been extinct a long time ago.. evolve like the rest of us! I don't know why you race realist attack Destiny for debating "low hanging fruit" and claim that he should "talk to the experts," when arguably, you could say the exact same to Ryan Faulk and fucking Sean Last. You'll never see the day when Ryan Faulk, or any of those other little fuckers on that propagandist web page, reach out and debate turkhiemer or James Flynn. Why do you think that is though? It's because they'er pushing for an agenda and a fake image. You can contact Turkhiemer and James Flynn directly; trust that I've don't it before. You won't see nobody on the hereditarian side of the argument do this for a reason.
@FoogiYT
4 жыл бұрын
@shankapuppet oioioi the Jon Jafari KZitem page Jontron is a high and well made form of entertainment.
@mastodonrock96
4 жыл бұрын
@shankapuppet Didn't even know he had!
@AuroraIceFlame
Жыл бұрын
As a fan of jontron for years this was like listening to my fun uncle I’ve known my entire life talk about his batshit insane political views for the first time randomly over thanksgiving dinner
@Illumirage
Жыл бұрын
So you're pro genocide then?
@regisglass5464
Жыл бұрын
@@Illumirage that's odd, why would jontron be correct in stating those like him being born is replacing al white people? As you call it a genocide, what should be done about jontron?
@sporovid5856
5 ай бұрын
lol same. You and me are both so late to the party with this video.
@Scawtsauce
2 жыл бұрын
"what's wrong with white people become I minority" Destiny asks 14 times, JonTron never answered.
@burneraccount8416
2 жыл бұрын
"What's wrong with the most accomplished race on Earth being overrun by the worst?" Gee I dunno
@PR--un4ub
2 жыл бұрын
@@burneraccount8416 Consume feces.
@regisglass5464
2 жыл бұрын
@@burneraccount8416 i assure you, jontrons issues don't stem from his race and those like him existing is not overrunning the nation (regardless of what he says).
@laurensahanna5826
2 жыл бұрын
@@burneraccount8416 ah such a simplified view of history, what weak minds
@kingrollypollyvii5565
2 жыл бұрын
@@laurensahanna5826 Didn't even attempt to counter his point at all. Just deflect and dismiss. You people can't argue at all.
@kevinwallace4635
3 жыл бұрын
As a fan of JonTrons channel for years, I always thought the mumbles I'd hear about him being a white nationalist to be overblown, but holy shit. His views are irrefutably abhorrent. Glad I finally watched it for myself.
@kevinwallace4635
3 жыл бұрын
@Kuthond 😘
@joncolumbino744
3 жыл бұрын
Kuthond why are you so mad over a youtube comment? you’re the one with the problems here.
@joseparra8801
3 жыл бұрын
@Kuthond you too bud you a hypocrite just by responding with that arguments and your getting mad cause he's a nationalist kinda seems like you mad because you associate with him
@bothi00
3 жыл бұрын
@ Adam Apocolyspe ok kid
@woottastic
3 жыл бұрын
@Adam Apocalypse nice comment edgelord "Huehuehue brown ppl bad"
@cinnamoncoffeecake5925
4 жыл бұрын
Jontron: *hears a factual statement that is entirely true* Jontron: yeah I just don’t subscribe to that
@jgdude7460
4 жыл бұрын
@sgt. goy Fact... a thing that is known or proved to be true. Fact... something that has actual existence Fact... an actual occurrence Fact... a piece of information presented as having objective reality Fact... the quality of being actual Fact... in truth Fact... something known to exist or to have happened Fact... A fact is a thing that is known to be consistent with objective reality and can be proven to be true with evidence. You my friend are confusing the word fact, for data. When Nick Holland was saying "hears a factual statement", he was saying a statement which was proven to be true. You're stupid so you confused that with data. Data that could or could not be correct. Maybe you should fact check things before you say them. And yes I'm using the word fact in the correct manner. Now that's not to say "facts" can be wrong, that's where data can help us correct incorrect information. Just because there's a census, doesn't mean that something is true. But when Nick was using the word Factual, he was talking about information, backed up by data, and by logic, to come to a conclusion that is almost impossibly true.
@jgdude7460
4 жыл бұрын
@sgt. goy "Maybe learn what words mean" I provided the definition, rather the top few definitions I could find on all the websites, which almost always makes fact synonymous with true. I then provided a counterargument that fact doesnt always mean the same as true. I then added another point that in this case, yes it nick was using the word correctly. We can never be entirely sure of anything, so does that mean nothing is a fact? No, because that would be lame and a waste of a good word lol. Truth is, what we perceive as true changes with time, so so in turn fact also changes. So what is true now is that you're dumb. And hopefully in the future that changes
@jgdude7460
4 жыл бұрын
If people used the word fact the way you say Nick should have used it, the word would never be used
@jgdude7460
4 жыл бұрын
@sgt. goy I understand that fact and truth dont mean the same thing, and I said that myself, but I also think that based on evidence and logic, fact and truth can get pretty damn close. Such as the laws of physics, or that math is indeed related to science (that was a joke, EVERYONE knows math is not related to science).
@scoop765
4 жыл бұрын
@sgt. goy True, in accordance with fact or reality Truth, that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality
@Tito151
Жыл бұрын
I recently found JonTron through KZitem suggestions and hearing this is just flipping my world. Never meet your heroes, kids.
@skidmark322
Жыл бұрын
i watched jontron when i was like 11-13 and just found this shit 😭
@duxangus
Жыл бұрын
Still my hero
@puffinatheart5565
Жыл бұрын
@@duxangus 🤨
@ChiefVizier
Жыл бұрын
Seriously. My family is from the middle east. Jon tron is half iranian. He wants to talk about not letting "incompatible cultures" into the US? Insane
@KolomlynskyHSP1
9 ай бұрын
I watched Jon Tron for a LOOOONG ass time and I've heard he said some weird shit but I never knew it was THIS bad
@markwulf
2 жыл бұрын
This video is like watching a train wreck in slow motion. The worst part will always be the smugness that Jon says these things with.
@vinkwick
5 жыл бұрын
Jontron: I don't even know what you're saying, I just disagree with you. ???????
@baraneo8195
5 жыл бұрын
*facepalm*
@loreaver3882
5 жыл бұрын
vinkwick he still a funny dude tho
@Fayt540
5 жыл бұрын
Because people like Destiny are wrong, and they think they're right. And according to Spider-Man, that makes him dangerous.
@IdoruFalls
5 жыл бұрын
it’s extremely cool and not at all indicative of your manchild brain that you’re giving cultural critiques based on spiderman.
@Andrew-fi1sd
5 жыл бұрын
@@IdoruFalls I'm pretty sure it's just a joke.
@peterphillips8474
4 жыл бұрын
“sAYS yOu” powerful stuff, jontron.
@erikchingon3566
4 жыл бұрын
@really dude elaborate on who and why
@gearsoftime9375
4 жыл бұрын
@really dude then he is a complete idiot
@fugnutz4588
3 жыл бұрын
My god you all got something right up in there don't ya?
@robertsmith-williams5255
3 жыл бұрын
HE DIDN'T KNOW IRISH WERE CONSIDERED SCUM. wtaf. gtfojontron. read some goddam history before wading in.
@fugnutz4588
3 жыл бұрын
@@robertsmith-williams5255 >read the propaganda
@SpeedSlowVideos
Жыл бұрын
"You're calling me a racist?" 5 seconds earlier: "What's the bad thing about non-white people legally emigrating here?" "I mean, come on... it's obvious."
@Illumirage
Жыл бұрын
Replacement wouldn't be ok in Africa, why is it here?
@SpeedSlowVideos
Жыл бұрын
@@Illumirage "replacement"
@Illumirage
Жыл бұрын
@@SpeedSlowVideos problem?
@regisglass5464
Жыл бұрын
@@Illumirage that's strange, as you believe a minority of white people peacefully going to africa makes more white people, ie, replaces non whites, why is it a problem that non whites go to the USA? Isn't that why you believe JonTron is white?
@Illumirage
Жыл бұрын
@@regisglass5464 you'll get answers when you start answering questions regis. Not sure why I have to tell you this literally 150 times and you still haven't answered one question.
@Yulenka-
Жыл бұрын
The most insufferable part of this debate is Jon's obnoxious laughter after every stupid thing he says.
@animatheanimationarchive7577
4 жыл бұрын
“It’s all right to tell a man to lift himself by his own bootstraps, but it is cruel jest to say to a bootless man that he ought to lift himself by his own bootstraps.” -Martin Luther King
@Spencerwalker21
3 жыл бұрын
Is that a real quote.
@Left4Red
3 жыл бұрын
@@Spencerwalker21 Yup there's footage of the quote
@Spencerwalker21
3 жыл бұрын
@@Left4Red cool thanks 😁
@comedyman4896
3 жыл бұрын
damn MLK be spittin fax
@uhmmchicken
3 жыл бұрын
it's a fucked up thing to say anyways considering that "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" is physically impossible and was originally intended to describe something.... physically impossible.
@smaloney100
4 жыл бұрын
Paraphrasing, but around 51 minutes: JT: “Europeans at the end of the day see themselves as Europeans and they get along”... weird, I feel like I remember like 2 world wars or something, where they didn’t feel that way for a bit...
@Illumirage
4 жыл бұрын
ancient history, he's talking about today
@butte5359
4 жыл бұрын
@@Illumirage The world wars happend back in ancient history? Seems like you need to look up when they happend, you might be supprised.
@Illumirage
4 жыл бұрын
@@butte5359 with how fast time moves in this day and age yes. Think about it, with the news cycle and how fast everything happens even the Covington kids debacle seems like a long time ago. What about the Penn state scandals? Seems likes ages ago. So yeah, I would posit that was a long, long time ago. No, I've been studying WW2 for quite a long, long time. I forgot how condescending you were..... jeez......
@butte5359
4 жыл бұрын
@@Illumirage There has been a ton of things happening the recent years that's for sure, but that does not change how short time ago the world wars were. There are even people alive who were alive during the second world war. I doubt a person who thinks the world wars were "ancient history" has studied them at all.
@dkupke
4 жыл бұрын
Butte great scene from The Sopranos: Tony and his gang are grumbling about protests on Columbus Day because of Columbus’ legacy, declaring it anti-Italian and anti-American. And then Furio, the hitman who is actually from Italy, spits at the very name. Because to him Columbus represents the disparity between the north and south of Italy and a reminder of how the south is treated. And Tony and the other monsters are left stunned to learn that Columbus is not a hero in Italy, and that there is enmity between Italians who don’t think of themselves as Italians.
@VashAngelArms
2 жыл бұрын
I couldn't make it past 50 minutes. Destiny has next level patience for putting up with Jon's constant evading and "I'm right, you're wrong this evidence I can't provide says so"
@LuongoLet20GoalsIn
2 жыл бұрын
I remember hearing about the whole “JonTron is racist” thing, but I didn’t care enough to look into it back then. But holy fuck, this is so much worse than I would have ever imagined. Dude’s just dropping the dogwhistles left and right, jesus christ.
@naenaebaby8123
2 жыл бұрын
bro i was down the rabbithole when this happened 💀💀
@somejabroni51
2 жыл бұрын
I remember listening to the metokur debate and going "wow destiny got destroyed!!"..... yeesh.......
@fupoflapo2386
2 жыл бұрын
So then it turned out...he wasn't racist...
@fupoflapo2386
2 жыл бұрын
@@somejabroni51 there was no victory here, only a clown fest
@somejabroni51
2 жыл бұрын
@@fupoflapo2386 if you want to be cringe and wrong on a 5 year old video go ahead just please don't involve me in your retardation
@monkeybudge
5 жыл бұрын
As a European who regularly travels in Europe I always find it funny when Americans talk about Europe being on fire or in some sort of death throws.
@gamer_gawd5520
5 жыл бұрын
Conservative Americans (and even some Conservative Canadians) also like to say Canada is a shithole that is being overrun by a terrorist while Canada ranks higher than the US in almost everything besides military power and GDP, but that's not even that big of a deal because the US isn't really competitive on quality of life so any country could beat them there
@gamer_gawd5520
5 жыл бұрын
@anyways Yeah I don't like it when Canadians bash America all the time. Although they have a point I still think it's disrespectful because not all Americans support American policies. I think they should focus their criticism on the US government because they are the ones responsible for most of the shit that happens. I'm Canadian but I don't have a problem with Americans, I have a problem with the American government.
@africantdeal254
4 жыл бұрын
anyways they don’t. Most of the rest of the world make fun of the obesity epidemic and school shootings
@kingvince7328
4 жыл бұрын
Funnily enough Europeans do the same thing to America tho? Lmao. Both are in hot political climate tho and that's undeniable.
@kingvince7328
4 жыл бұрын
@@gamer_gawd5520 America has the #1 standard of living. Do not respond to this if you dont know what that is. Cant tell you how many people think it's based off how many poor people a country has.
@klarahudler4732
4 жыл бұрын
"I'm not saying that whites should be the majority of the country" THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE BEEN SAYING FOR THE PAST HALF HOUR
@Illumirage
4 жыл бұрын
what's wrong with thinking that?
@frozenyogurth
4 жыл бұрын
@@Illumirage why should the white population have the right to dictate who get's to come tk the country? Whites aren't the only ones living there. Plus this notion of "tribalism" is directly disproven by Jon himself. It doesn't make sense.
@megafanflash
4 жыл бұрын
@@Illumirage A part of the population that happens to be the majority have the right to keep that majority with laws and regulations vs. people that immigrate and live here happen to not be white due to no laws or regulation. Nice.
@seangallagher9435
4 жыл бұрын
Damien INSANE-O just mad about mayocide
@comicsans1689
3 жыл бұрын
@@frozenyogurth If majority white countries are such a problem, feel free to move to a country where whites are a minority.
@his0kath295
5 ай бұрын
Came here because I saw some people upset about a jontron collab with papa meat, and I knew nothing about him so wanted to go to the source. And holy shit it’s so much worse than I could’ve imagined.
@itsbeebaby
5 ай бұрын
Glad you went to the source
@Illumirage
5 ай бұрын
Bot comment
@Illumirage
5 ай бұрын
Aaah yes, not wanting your country invaded. What a fool....
@butte5359
5 ай бұрын
I remember doing something similar back when this debate was new. It felt quite shocking hearing Jon say these things. You did great checking out the source, more people should do that. 😊
@Illumirage
5 ай бұрын
@@butte5359 dear God....
@chem.hoe6775
2 жыл бұрын
Coming back to this, it seriously frustrates me how destiny elaborated multiple times about Irish/ Italian discrimination to prove a point only for Jontron to reply “well they were still white” like you’re missing the big picture :/
@Roflcrabs
2 жыл бұрын
I don't see it, what was his point? The topic was about immigration, bringing up how 100 years ago Irish weren't considered white doesn't say or answer anything. He kept repeating "they were called white n***ers" like it was supposed to mean something. Sounds shocking but it had no relevance to the subject.
@fj3633
Жыл бұрын
@@Roflcrabs because jon was claiming that theres some sort of unspoken racial alliance between all "white people" & also that americas inherent racial identity is "white" when that wasnt the case barely 100 years ago
@Dreadnaught1985
5 жыл бұрын
Kid is mixed race, argues against mixing races.
@alexanderjahans2292
5 жыл бұрын
Race mixing is the worse thing you can do to a child
@mihalygorog3398
5 жыл бұрын
hes not mixed race you absolute troglodyte. iranians are white, the word aryan comes from iran. if you saw a picture of him youd 100% think hes white.
@RihannaIsIluminati
5 жыл бұрын
Kafferlord nah we hate assholes who judge people by their fucking skin color.
@whendidyoutubeaddhandles
5 жыл бұрын
@@mihalygorog3398 one look at Iran's president; they're not all white my negus.
@mihalygorog3398
5 жыл бұрын
@@whendidyoutubeaddhandles he could easily pass off as an italian or a spaniard
@sebastianholzl4668
4 жыл бұрын
"Japan is homogenous" "Yeah, but they are racist. I don't think that's a good model" "I do think that" "So ... you're racist?" *laughs
@Thane3999
4 жыл бұрын
Japan is not homogenous.
@hamzerpanzer
4 жыл бұрын
Glorious Untermensch It’s pretty damn close
@loreaver3882
4 жыл бұрын
Japan's pretty racist but they're not an ethno state
@Evadann
4 жыл бұрын
@@loreaver3882 they pretty much are.
@SallionMang
4 жыл бұрын
@@loreaver3882 they are. Non ethnic Japanese are legally discriminated against there. Try telling an Okinawan that Japan isn't an ethnostate, I'm sure they'd love it
@killer0095
2 жыл бұрын
This is the thing that made me say "Y'know what? I think Game Grumps dodged a bullet."
@haruhirogrimgar6047
2 жыл бұрын
Arin has a tendency to have pretty sketch friends but he definitely manages to dodge bullets well. Johntron regularly using the n-word and ending up a white-nationalist. RubberRoss getting fired for sexual harrassment. Dan being pretty sketchy in his sexual life mainly being redeemed by his regular endorcements of the importance of consent.
@ubuu7
2 жыл бұрын
JonTrons channel has more subscribers, people love his bullshit.
@bruno.vet.f
2 жыл бұрын
hasn't arin said the n-word a lot in the past too? edit: at least he apologized I guess
@soundslikeskrillex9799
2 жыл бұрын
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Wait what happened with Ross?
@haruhirogrimgar6047
2 жыл бұрын
@@soundslikeskrillex9799 From what I understand he got fired from Gamegrumps for sexual harrassment after multiple warnings.
@sanmar6292
2 жыл бұрын
5 year late Andy here. The most telling part was Jon pointing to Africa, when beeing asked where the problems of black Americans come from. Hard to explain how to come up with that analogy without racism.
@PR--un4ub
2 жыл бұрын
@Chris Lando Yeah, you're racist.
@yoloswaggins7121
2 жыл бұрын
@Chris Lando It's overly simplistic and it really makes no sense unless you only see things through the lens of race. Like, if I told you that people with blonde hair commit more crime, would you say it must be because they are blonde?
@j.steffens6831
2 жыл бұрын
@Chris Lando Ah so youre just racist, got it. Correlation=/Causation.
@zzchillzz4824
Жыл бұрын
@Chris Lando bad take
@RanEncounter
Жыл бұрын
@Chris Lando You literally agreed to being racist in your hypothetical instead of actually looking at the problems the group have.
@LucasDimoveo
4 жыл бұрын
Watching this in 2020. Jesus, I can't believe it is still relevant.
@Cobalt985
4 жыл бұрын
I saw a video about escaping the alt-right pipeline, and wanted to check out what he was talking about
@MrShinTensei
4 жыл бұрын
@@Cobalt985 haha bro we both watched the same video. Now were here
@kylefromtowerc9467
4 жыл бұрын
ShinTensei me too. Holy shit jon is really annoying here
@christophercuston
4 жыл бұрын
Me Four. lol
@hallealtieri8619
4 жыл бұрын
Me five
@christianmorrow807
4 жыл бұрын
So lemme get this straight. He wants a white ethnostate. And doesn’t even know what white is?
@regisglass5464
4 жыл бұрын
Apparently, he feels destiny was taking "the whiteness away from" him because he's middle eastern 17:08
@christianmorrow807
4 жыл бұрын
Regis Glass thank you, tbh this video was very hard to follow because the topic kept being shifted. I wish Destiny would’ve wrangled him down, and stopped him from jumping from on thing to the next. I know he did sometimes, especially when he’d try to jump to a whole other country, but I wish he would’ve done it more so the video could be a bit easier to follow
@christianmorrow807
4 жыл бұрын
Pazuzu right! I don’t know how he can say those arguments out loud and not realize how ridiculous they sound/are
@AndyTomlins
4 жыл бұрын
He seems to think that the white supremacists then allow him to stay. They wouldnt.
@flamingtoaster8707
4 жыл бұрын
To be fair, a lot of white supremacists care more about skin color than bloodline/ethnicity/nationality
@VitorMiguell
2 жыл бұрын
finally watched this. HOLY SHIT. Jon got *obliterated* I laugh out loud when he said "YOU'RE THE ELITE! WHAT?? are you an working man now?"
@anu217
6 ай бұрын
God rewatching this its so obvious how insecure he is about his mixed race heritage
@tucansam999
5 жыл бұрын
Should have used some flex tape to fix the holes in his ideology
@brooklynyangoue8806
5 жыл бұрын
Luis Espinoza 😂
@Gamberbro237
5 жыл бұрын
Destiny: "What does that mean" JohnTron: *T h a t s A L o t O f D a m a g e*
@matushy
5 жыл бұрын
Omg im dying.
@Rensoku611
5 жыл бұрын
@Mac Loud he got blown the fuck out
@Rensoku611
5 жыл бұрын
@Mac Loud the worst part is that he still watches crowders videos. Goes to show that they dont care about facts as they claim to be. They are based on irrational hatred and thats it
@taylortek5031
3 жыл бұрын
JonTron: "whites will become the minority" Destiny "why does that matter?" JonTron "ITS TRUE LOOK IT UP!"
@vario6492
3 жыл бұрын
I mean, it's only natural to want to preserve your genes...
@ABCodeX
3 жыл бұрын
@@vario6492 Yes it’s natural to want to pass down your genes, but it’s not natural to cherry-pick groups that you can pass down your genes based on race, that is manufactured by our society.
@Ragitsu
3 жыл бұрын
@@vario6492 Fuck off back to 2017.
@mikkokulmala560
3 жыл бұрын
@Luck Genuine Lightning b-b-but they look different, it's scary and stuff!!1!
@Sadstr
3 жыл бұрын
The only reason it matters is because whites don’t want to suffer the same fate as the minorities they have oppressed all this time
@niabagchi7502
2 жыл бұрын
"Black people are disproportionately targeted, this is why BLM exists" "Boy, I sure wish I lived in your Utopia" 10 min later "If you don't think we've gotten rid of discrimination, you're living in a fantasy land" The mental gymnastics
@stonebuckman
2 жыл бұрын
You see this kind of behavior in people who clearly have no clue what the fuck they are saying and just go through their 4chan bullet points when one fails(which they are incapable of acknowledging as a failure)
@mannhouse8014
Жыл бұрын
Jon makes stupid claim Destiny refutes claims Jon laughs, huffs copium Jumps into next point 🔄 repeat
@Cupit29
4 жыл бұрын
Jontron is trying to argue that the US should be a white majority country without saying anything racist. Watch him squirm 😂
@Cupit29
4 жыл бұрын
@@bigrooster9794 Why? 😎
@jasonst2871
4 жыл бұрын
@@bigrooster9794 At least your proud to be racist buddy
@dogol284
4 жыл бұрын
Legitimately curious... you got a timestamp?
@theheadbanger6685
4 жыл бұрын
No he really wasn’t really at all leave jon alone you dick
@pandacakes6613
4 жыл бұрын
@@theheadbanger6685 He chose to enter a debate, should we not criticize his points?
@Yagot
4 жыл бұрын
I've heard about this debate for a while but never got around to watching it, and holy shit it's worse than I thought. He's genuinely clueless. It's insane to me that Destiny will say an actual fact backed by statistics and Jontron has a knee-jerk reaction to it and says "I don't buy into that." He's so delusional.
@TheApoohneicie
4 жыл бұрын
Yagot I know, right? Destiny rips him a new bootiehole.
@Illumirage
4 жыл бұрын
what's wrong with a person not wanting to people like him to disappear?
@Argi1000
4 жыл бұрын
@@Illumirage because it's not a real issue
@Illumirage
4 жыл бұрын
@@Argi1000 career demographers say otherwise there sport. But no ill take you who has zero background in that field over people whose career revolves around this....
@Zach-hi5gw
4 жыл бұрын
@@Illumirage Yeah, cuz your "career demographers" are equally reliable.
@rainmansteen
2 жыл бұрын
"I'm not talking about me!?! I mean the other minorities" -JonTron
@regisglass5464
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, jontron forgets that his fear of white people being replaced is based on those like him being born.
@cheslock
2 жыл бұрын
this debate makes me wonder if jontron ever took a US history class in high school. literally everyone who had a high school education remembers that Irish and German immigrants were descriminated against in the early 1800's. like the propaganda signs are in all our textbooks saying things like "Irish need not apply." and even if he doesn't know that and couldn't pass a history class, it's so easy just to google it.
@69inmath46
Жыл бұрын
I can tell you haven't read a single book because of the unnecessary word, "literally" is part of your terrible vernacularity.
@oephry3253
4 жыл бұрын
I watched a video by xanderhal who explains how he went down the alt right rabbit hole which directed me to this video and now my whole world is upside down. I didn’t notice these things I deemed as meme or just a fact were so dangerous. I feel like I don’t even know how to proceed with life. Even then I don’t think I was ever as fucked as JonTron lmao. This was years ago so hopefully he’s changed
@Prodigi50
4 жыл бұрын
Considering Jon hasn’t said anything about the BLM protests except that he misses grilling. This would’ve been a perfect chance to show he changed but he hasn’t said anything.
@user-oq9js2tj1f
4 жыл бұрын
@@Prodigi50 but at least he's a little bit more centrist
@MrDuncanGilbert
4 жыл бұрын
I came from that same video
@lyricbarnik1557
4 жыл бұрын
i came straight from there too!
@MrDuncanGilbert
4 жыл бұрын
@@lyricbarnik1557 I was always under the impression that Jon Tron was always attacked unreasonably, like PewDiePie being called a Nazi, but no JonTron is literally saying an enthostate is desirable yikes.
@chainsmagoo8656
7 жыл бұрын
Since it's apparently debate-hour, I'm just gonna go ahead and make my case: Jon really should have told Arin how to land on the platform.
@monsterrink
7 жыл бұрын
Now that is a vintage meme.
@cage.nicolascage.2977
7 жыл бұрын
This needs to be the #1 thumbs-up'd comment
@RottingSkeleton
7 жыл бұрын
Chains Magoo Its no use!!!
@jnmaniac1393
7 жыл бұрын
disliked. They both had the same amount of time to learn the damn mechanics, Jon just figured it out quicker. You see it all the time on Game Grumps, where Arin doesn't just try all of the fucking buttons and runs around like a dumbass. It's his damn fault he didn't figure it out.
@cage.nicolascage.2977
7 жыл бұрын
I'm reading "Jnmaniaci" but all I see is "The Fun Police"
@iAmCymba
Ай бұрын
“RIP my career” hits different 7 years after the fact
@AndrewTateOfficial
2 жыл бұрын
a fun drinking game if you want to annhilate your body is to take a shot every time Jon awkwardly laughs for a few seconds because he has no idea how to respond, before saying an answer either unrelated or racist lmao
@olive5261
2 жыл бұрын
I NEED a drink after watching this. Causes me physical pain every time jesus fucking christ
@AndrewTateOfficial
2 жыл бұрын
@@olive5261 💀💀💀 spare some for me. I was listening to this whilst at work and I wanted to throw hands w the air
@olive5261
2 жыл бұрын
@@AndrewTateOfficial I feel that LMAO
@johnilyemson
Жыл бұрын
I mean, I don't like myself sometimes, but I'm not trying to die.
@Shinyslaking64
Жыл бұрын
@AndrewTateOfficial I'm doing the same, quietly mumbling to myself "why are you laughing???" And "dude nu-uuuuh."
@JohnSmith-hm7rb
4 жыл бұрын
J: here’s something S: here’s why that is factually incorrect J: (anime villain laugh.)
@Suinlu91
4 жыл бұрын
@@An_Obese_Beaver i liked that you used the phrase "pussy laugh" since it shows exactly what kind of person you are and how old. no wonder you believe in pseudoscience.
@Suinlu91
4 жыл бұрын
@@An_Obese_Beaver what the fuck are you talking about? i fully understand you as a person? you completely made that up. i said that your choice of words show what KIND of person you are. please learn to read properly and don't make up shit. since you said that jontron is "factually checking" somebody, it is safe to say that you believe in the same things that jontron said in this debate. he took numbers from fucking memes and other sketchy sources and pretended like they were the truth. when he was pressed on those numbers, he gave a pseudoscience reasoning for why he believe in them. and by proxy you to do, too. at least you are acknowledging that you have a puny one-sided mind which show that there is still hope for you.
@AchillesThePeacemaker
4 жыл бұрын
@@Suinlu91 Jontron was literally citing fake facts some dipshit made up and posted on Reddit. I can't believe people still come to watch this video in support of Jontron. I'm here as a revisit of "what did US stupidity sound like 3 years ago?"
@Suinlu91
4 жыл бұрын
@@AchillesThePeacemaker yeah, it's insane.
@sambutton8494
4 жыл бұрын
@@AchillesThePeacemaker Cringing very hard at Jon's "displacement" theories, didnt age well after the Christchurch shooting...
@donovanmenard8423
3 жыл бұрын
I hate when JonTron nervously laughs and just says “cmon man...” it’s like he’s saying “cmon, just be racist like me”
@gamj7509
3 жыл бұрын
That's the Sargon laugh. Fuck, Soygon has poisoned so many brains.
@willfarkas2445
3 жыл бұрын
Does that nervous laugh and predictable line apply to Joe Biden as well?
@DUWANGlai_kangyi
3 жыл бұрын
@@willfarkas2445 Yes, it does. Biden is truly disgusting, but at least he's not mister quasi fascist.
@willfarkas2445
3 жыл бұрын
@@DUWANGlai_kangyi cringe take smh
@DUWANGlai_kangyi
3 жыл бұрын
@@willfarkas2445 So do you prefer to have Trump as your president? How masochistic.
@hypnos5132
2 жыл бұрын
things to say when you have no arguments: tribalism but japan? but europe? they are calling me racist we are living in a political paradigm
@Juiceboxdan72
2 жыл бұрын
“Race traitor,” what the hell
@AbyssalDrake88
5 жыл бұрын
Also, Mexico was settled and colonized by Spain, a European country.
@juanjones6463
5 жыл бұрын
Most Mexicans are part European.
@jasonhill2879
5 жыл бұрын
AbyssalDrake yeah but it’s mostly made up of Aztec descendants surprisely
@juanjones6463
5 жыл бұрын
@@jasonhill2879 last comprehensive study said the avg Mexican is 35% European 65% Native American.
@jasonhill2879
5 жыл бұрын
juan Jones yeah that’s what’s funny about it
@juanjones6463
5 жыл бұрын
@@jasonhill2879 it's a beautiful thing my brother. USA is on the same path.
@NeoRipshaft
5 жыл бұрын
*Destiny:* "Ok - lets nail down on one problem specifically" *JonTron:* "Dude, stop jumping all over the place!" *JonTron:* "You hear about this other Country?" *FOR TWO HOURS.*
@juancarloscadimajr4971
5 жыл бұрын
Kafferlord because it’s not the white peoples country it’s the Americans country
@intello8953
2 ай бұрын
Ever since this debate I truly can’t appreciate JonTron’s videos anymore 😤😩
@Illumirage
Ай бұрын
Oh well, he's still getting millions off views regardless. But overwriting the western world, not a flagrant foul in your book, got it....
@regisglass5464
Ай бұрын
@@IllumirageThat's odd. Why do you believe those like JonTron being born non white is overwriting the western world?
@Illumirage
10 күн бұрын
@@regisglass5464 Jon is white, yes. Much like everyone called Barack Obama black, even though he was half white.
@regisglass5464
9 күн бұрын
@@Illumirage exactly, as you noted both JonTron and Obama are half white, and you state JonTron is white, doesn't that mean Obama is white too? Or is the literal fear you have about colors?
@Illumirage
9 күн бұрын
@@regisglass5464 no they both are mixes. But ppl tend to identify more with the side they look more like. We've been over this dozens of times. Are you American regis? Are you white?
@axlglenn2156
Жыл бұрын
Regis Glas vs Illumirage the eternal battle goes on, an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object.
@regisglass5464
Жыл бұрын
I feel oddly flattered
@Illumirage
Жыл бұрын
lol
@CoercedJab
9 ай бұрын
@@regisglass5464why would you feel flattered about a comment like that? Serious/ genuine question? Because it strikes me as arguing for the sake of attention/arguing to be flattered by a comment calling attention to how long you’ve been doing it 😂
@regisglass5464
9 ай бұрын
@@CoercedJab that's not inaccurate
@lazyskull7949
4 жыл бұрын
Jontron clearly didnt do his research. only believes memes on 4chan /pol/
@aclg7087
4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@regisglass5464
4 жыл бұрын
Probably 8chan too.
@idontlikeyouyo
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah probably. I had exactly the same views as him before after just years and years of /pol/ brainwashing. I wanted to debunk Destiny, so I started watching him and started gathering data. Generally it seemed Destiny was right about most things he said it's just our world views were different. I had to question why I had so many views that were racially motivated, it did seem like I was a bit racist. I had to ignore a lot of data to data that I preferred to validate my world view. Thank Christ Destiny de-radicalized me before I went into the deep end into unironically believing the JQ shit instead of just meme-ing about it like I used to.
@bimbowithadegree420
4 жыл бұрын
@@idontlikeyouyo 👏 im glad you got out. I almost got radicalised into full alt righter too, even though it clearly goes against my interest. Watching a lot of Lauren Southern and others like her, i started slowly radicalising to the point i didnt recognise myself anymore but i still believed it. It wasn't until my mom got sick and i went through a really traumatic event that i saw the realities i faced and then i started actually reading my assigned readings (before i used to read them just to dismiss them as liberal propaganda) and really finding out that my worldview wasn't substantiated by any real world pheneomena or data. I'm better for it though because i now know for sure why i believe what i believe and i can defend it.
@user-vv1do1wg1j
4 жыл бұрын
@@idontlikeyouyo sure you did.
@graysonelliott6115
5 жыл бұрын
Did... did jontron just compare the chinese government’s destruction of Tibetan culture and Buddhism to people of different races legally immigrating to the US?
@m.a.d.4441
5 жыл бұрын
Lol yeah. The only reason the Chinese Communist Party did that anyway was to assert control over their populous. Same reason they murdered those protesters in '89. Had nothing to do with race and everything to do with cancerous political ideologues.
@aron1936
5 жыл бұрын
That's a fucking dispute over selfgovernance and has nothing to do with this lol. They've literally kidnapped their spiritual leaders.
@leokocyte8943
5 жыл бұрын
@@kg356 Now you're the one pushing a false equivalence. What the Chinese did to Tibet is Chinese Supremacy. White people wanting to remain the dominant demographic in western nations is not equivalent to whites seeking international domination over other racial groups in non-white nations (supremacy)
@Andrew-fi1sd
5 жыл бұрын
@@leokocyte8943 There is no way to maintain a dominant demographic without either forcefully kicking people out, killing them, or trying to outbreed them by regulating interracial relationships. Those sure sound like white supremacy to me.
@leokocyte8943
5 жыл бұрын
@@Andrew-fi1sd Again. To clarify. White people adopting any of these policies in Western nations, is not supremacy. White people ruling in white countries is not "White Supremacy". Going in to Tibet, seizing assets and promoting policies that subdue the local population would be supremacy. A good example of supremacy in action is the Jewish Supremacist state of Israel. Not because it is an ethnically segregated country, that actively promotes policies that favour Jews (this is called sovereignty); but rather because of the continuous and deliberate encroachment on adjacent lands in Palestine (a state whose Sovereignty Israelis deny). The borders of Israel have been expanding for decades by the military-supported seizure and settling of Palestinian-owned land, to which the Jews have no rightful claim. Do you see the difference, Andrew?
@TeddyOG
Жыл бұрын
'What do you think about Mexicans?' "Uhh, hehe I don't want to get into that" JT came into this thinking all white people think like him but are just in denial. Cause he seems to refuse to answer a lot of questions and laughs like D is being purposefully obtuse. It's like no dude, what do you mean? What do you actually want? Say it with your chest bro
@HauntedHarmonics
2 жыл бұрын
This was way, way worse than I remembered. Jesus christ dude
@xenos_n.
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was one of the people defending JonTron when this first happened because I just saw clips, but then years later I watched the entire thing and the extent of how bad it was shocked me.
@mockinbirds
2 жыл бұрын
JonTron’s research for this debate was an argument in the comment section of a Sargon video
@keepwhiningtankies3594
2 жыл бұрын
Not a bad source, I used it in my masters thesis
@Perseus115
2 жыл бұрын
@@keepwhiningtankies3594 POV: you failed your thesis
@ally_defrates
2 жыл бұрын
@@keepwhiningtankies3594 This has to be satire
@amuroray9115
Жыл бұрын
@@Perseus115 lmao
@zzodysseuszz
4 ай бұрын
Because he’s making objectively correct assertions. But he’s arguing against someone like destiny who is a grifter at best and an ideological optics juggler at worst.
@guydude6388
3 жыл бұрын
I like coming back to this. I was practically a fascist 3 years ago. And this is probably the starting point of me turning into a more sane person lmao
@amyb.2968
3 жыл бұрын
That’s awesome! Good for you!
@Illumirage
3 жыл бұрын
"fascist" LOLOL So now you're full on antifa anti-America hating commie. Well done!!!1!!!11!1
@Illumirage
3 жыл бұрын
@alvaro.chileno total projection. You've lost touch with reality. And you're a racist.
@Illumirage
3 жыл бұрын
@Mannech No I just think you're so intolerant that anyone to the right of Karl Marx himself = fascist. Leftists nowadays are some of the most intolerant people on the planet and the vast majority hold more in common with fascists than anyone on the right. Get a grip on reality.
@Illumirage
3 жыл бұрын
@Mannech _"I think you're assuming a lot here. The left generally doesn't equate the all of what the right incapsulates towards fashism."_ That doesn't make sense, first of all. I think the modern left, not the old guard left, does in fact not only hate the right, but many straight want us dead and gone. They're beyond intolerant. It's gotten to outright gen0cidal talk. _"The thing that concerns leftists about right wing is that it often serves as a 'gateway ideology' towards fashism (the youtube right wing echo chamber is a particularly good example of this)."_ There is no less of a pathway to extremism on the left than there is the right. That's a two way street. Quit acting like that's singular to the right cuz it isn't. I would argue there is MORE of a path to extremism on the left, because the left doesn't get called out or banned by YT for their extremism, they're practically applauded. Have you heard some of the shit they're saying? Have you ever watched a Vaush video? The guy is batshit insane. Have you seen the videos of Olly from PhilosophyTube praising antifa, literal domestic terrorists? _"And I don't think the leftists are really more hostile than the right."_ Are you even vaguely familiar with antifa??????!?!?!?!?!?! Where have you been the last 4 years? In a coma? _"Both can be very hostile for sure tho."_ Are you familiar with Willem Van Spronsen? What about the Ohio antifa shooter? What about the guy that attempted to kill a conservative congressman on a NY baseball diamond? I have so many examples you'd probably faint after reading them. You have tunnel vision because the news doesn't report your mistakes, and you hear about the fewer by volume mistakes the people on the right make for months on end.... You have no argument here.
@Boodoo4You
Жыл бұрын
I fucking love that Jontron pulled out the 13/50 FBI statistics. He was itching to pull that out the whole debate.
@Illumirage
Жыл бұрын
Not wrong though
@laurentiuvladutmanea3622
Жыл бұрын
@@Illumirage He is wrong actually. Once you take poverty into consideration, there is no difference in crime rate.
@Illumirage
Жыл бұрын
@@laurentiuvladutmanea3622 I'm going strictly by statistics. Cope.
@thedarkerknight2188
Жыл бұрын
@@laurentiuvladutmanea3622 exactly! Skin color has nothing to do with a person commuting a crime. It has to do with class.
@Mdmbchdr
11 ай бұрын
@@laurentiuvladutmanea3622hahahahaha. Go listen to a rap song
@vicapple6663
2 жыл бұрын
I really did not want to be disgusted by jontron. He made that nearly impossible with his blatant bigotry. How can anyone enjoy his content after he spews this racial supremacy? It feels like such a deception. He portrays himself as this cuddly goofball but he harbors such revolting views of people and the world.
@Illumirage
2 жыл бұрын
racial supremacy = not wanting your home country flooded with foreigners? you've lost touch with reality
@regisglass5464
2 жыл бұрын
@@Illumirage i am puzzled by this. Why do you believe those like jontron being born is destroying the country?
@Illumirage
2 жыл бұрын
@@regisglass5464 I didn't, bot
@regisglass5464
2 жыл бұрын
@@Illumirage then i thank you for agreeing jontron was mistaken that those like him being born harm the country.
@Illumirage
2 жыл бұрын
@@regisglass5464 Jon is white
@inkarnator7717
3 жыл бұрын
As a German, calling yourself "European" is not unheard of, but it is never used to identify yourself culturally in a normal day context, it is almost always used to make a political statement.
@pestilenssi8979
3 жыл бұрын
I call myself Scandinavian or European depending on the context. Idk if I'm either since I'm Finnish
@reechforthebleech
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah us English never ever call ourselves European and I don’t think we ever will. We always refer to ourselves as English, British and such. When an English calls themselves a European it’s pretty much always an EU supporter who does it.
@Gadget-Walkmen
3 жыл бұрын
yeah that's what I thought. Jon's ridiculously racist views backfired in his face.
@BBWahoo
3 жыл бұрын
jonny is a semite to boot, this is like the kramer incident but for gamers
@xxxEXxxGODxxx
3 жыл бұрын
@@pestilenssi8979 youre not scandinavian, but European. Finnish people are part of the Nordics, but not Scandinavia as scandinavian denotes the scandinavian root of the danish, Norwegian and Swedish language , which Finland doesn't share :)
@downsjmmyjones101
4 жыл бұрын
52:10 Somehow Jon forgets that Europeans colonized Mexico. The reason they speak Spanish might have something to do with that. Canada was colonized by Europeans. The USA was colonized by Europeans. Mexico was colonized by Europeans.
@loannebhold
4 жыл бұрын
yes but Mexico has a lot more browns and Jon's half-iranian white nationalist self doesn't like that
@red2theelectricboogaloo961
4 жыл бұрын
@@loannebhold brown man bad
@bflaves123
4 жыл бұрын
His head would have probably exploded if someone told him Europeans also colonized Africa...
@fowlae4414
4 жыл бұрын
@@bflaves123 "I don't subscribe to that"
@EduardoGonzalez-tc2dg
2 жыл бұрын
@@loannebhold iran's are kinda of white just cause there hairy does't mean they changed race
@mysterin5061
2 жыл бұрын
It still kills me his last name is "Jafari" and he thinks the way he does. 😑 Shit makes no sense. Please stay in obscurity.
@mondoprime
2 жыл бұрын
Jontron clearly doesn't have any friends to warn him that doing something like this would be a HORRIBLE idea. Embarrassing.
@xenos_n.
2 жыл бұрын
Obviously, he lost his old friend Arin because of his chudacity. Not to be confused with Dinocity.
@saranchan9556
5 жыл бұрын
Half-Iranian white supremacists? We're truly living in a special time...
@CivilWarBuff82
5 жыл бұрын
Saran Chan Lol Iran had a Nazi party actually
@cramax4871
5 жыл бұрын
Word Aryan came from Iran....
@akumar9270
5 жыл бұрын
Iranians are genetically Caucasian. They were the original Aryans hundreds of thousands years back
@ashesmandalay1762
5 жыл бұрын
@@akumar9270 "Genetically caucasian" makes no sense. Do you mean "genetically white" or "genetically from the Caucuses". The second one isn't true, but the first one doesn't make sense because "whiteness" is just one tiny part of genetics and it's shared by a whole variety of people. Clarify what you're talking about, please. Also, Iranians are a mix of ethnicities with very diverse backgrounds. You've got Azerbaijanis, Persians, Kurds, Turks, etc. The one genetic ancestral group they all share is the same one all Europeans and Asians share, the Indo-Europeans. Horseback people who came out of the steppes thousands of years ago and spread across Eurasia. The original occupants of Asia are now only found on remote islands like North Sentinel island, where that Missionary was killed recently for trying to invade. Those people have defended that island against Indo-Europeans and their descendents for literally thousands of years and that's the only reason they're still here. All Europeans, Arabs, Asians, South-Asians, etc came from the same tribe only a few thousand years ago, our differences are really small and cosmetic; epicanthic eyes, higher cheekbones, slight variations in iris color, little stuff like that. Those differences evolved relatively recently, within the last few thousand years. "White people" are only "white" to gain as much vitamin D as possible from the limited amount of sunlight available at northern climates. It's not a trait that indicates much other than that, east Asians are also white, but with epicanthic folds (which European white people also get sometimes). Like I said, we're all part of the same tribe that took over Eurasia. That tribe is best known for killing and conquering and, what do you know, its ancestors are carrying on the family legacy. It's interesting to me that JonTron thinks it's black people who are genetically more aggressive. I don't remember Africans invading and slaughtering another continent for profit.
@ardabyss4202
5 жыл бұрын
@@ashesmandalay1762 he meant Persians are white
@Korachenko
4 жыл бұрын
Jon isn't terribly bright.
@kingster14444
2 жыл бұрын
JonTron was like this? I get it now, my god
@samseloo4962
Жыл бұрын
Me and My best friend Damian are Latino. We met when we didn't have many friends because we both liked Jon Tron and would watch his videos in school. It was such a happy time that now seeing who Jontron really is, it hurts.
@Illumirage
Жыл бұрын
Bot comment
@damienlolos8811
5 жыл бұрын
I realize I'm late on this one but hearing Jontron be a racist conspiracy theorist is so much more chilling than just hearing about it.
@TikalKeria
4 жыл бұрын
I think hes changed a bit since then, or at least hes apologized for what he said so I would assume his opinions have changed. Still pretty shocking to hear him completely seriously believe this?
@TikalKeria
4 жыл бұрын
@Jonah Harris he really went full out white nationalist and didnt think anything would happen.
@rakelodakel
4 жыл бұрын
@@TikalKeria I think he is a fairly reasonable person who is just dumb and ignorant. I was suckered down the "anti-SJW" hole as well around the same time as Jontron. Personally I was going through a rough patch in life and had a lot of frustration that I needed an outlet for. I never bought into especially right-wing ideas, racism or sexism but I did notice myself slowly softening up on positions like that. Luckily I got my life sorted out and had some underlying issues straightened out, and immediately I recognized what I had let myself be so easily manipulated by. Jontron in this video is pedling a lot of the same shit I might have said back then... I don't think he's a bad guy, I think he's been fooled by the ridiculous projection of the world that the "antis" are spreading. I've noticed a lot of former "antis" having the same experience as me too, so here's hoping Jontron is another one and that he grows ot of this bullshit.
@TikalKeria
4 жыл бұрын
@@rakelodakel I agree.
@TikalKeria
4 жыл бұрын
@Kalevi Urpilainen I dont think hes racist but I think the views he displays here come across racist.
@deardeer1469
5 жыл бұрын
Some people are saying that Destiny was somehow unfair to JonTron and that he "backed him into a corner" or asked unfair questions, but if he had correct, logical, and consistent ideas he would've been able to hurl himself out of the deep pit he dug for himself and answer questions coherently and logically. If your worldview is well constructed and thought out, this kind of thing doesn't happen.
@isjenjsns625
5 жыл бұрын
kvar I’m very confused by why people are saying destiny backed him into a corner and treating that like destiny wronged him like that’s how a fucking debate works. If your points can’t counter someone else’s then that means that either your side is inherently flawed or you’re just not knowledgeable enough.
@juancarloscadimajr4971
5 жыл бұрын
Kafferlord t are u copying and pasting lmao
@vasilismgks5591
5 жыл бұрын
Yes but from what I understood he couldn't handle pressure at all so he started cracking and expressing his opinions in a different way than the one he wanted tbh I watch both destiny and Jon and I don't think Jon should be called a racist and a white supremacist for making one mistake..
@giannigiovful
5 жыл бұрын
Vasilis Mgks “One mistake” Come on man, you listened to the video, right? He was entrenched in that garbage.
@midnightlynx
5 жыл бұрын
@@vasilismgks5591 So is there a JonTron video somewhere where he adequately addresses the things he failed to address here, once outside the pressure of a live debate format? I know that's the first thing I'd do, if I represented myself this badly.
@Varasalvi2
5 ай бұрын
As a "European", it's a particular pet peeve of mine when Americans talk about us as if we're one nation and are just like US states. If i go to any other European country beside my own, i won't be able to communicate with the people because we don't speak each other's languages. I relate to some of my neighbours of course, but even one of my most similar neighbour has a damn king while my country has a president. The differences are vast in almost every case because Europe has such a diverse and rich history and culture. It's just not comparable to the US, a country that founded itself 247 years ago on common ideals. It's simply so ridiculous to try to equate the two that only an American would dare to do so. Yes, i'm insulting Americans, but when it comes to this topic, it's deserved.
@theberserkguy
5 ай бұрын
Mashallah
@Illumirage
5 ай бұрын
Ok bigot
@olddirtypaki
Жыл бұрын
Is this the JonTron from the YT channel ? Like the funny channel ? How the fuck am I so late to this. This is incredibly sad..
@Illumirage
Жыл бұрын
Bot
@heqraouzi6739
4 жыл бұрын
to keep it real, I just heard about this and came in with a johntron bias. you've changed a lot of how I think, thank you.
@Illumirage
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah how dare he not hate himself and people like him!
@butte5359
4 жыл бұрын
@@Illumirage Nothing like that was said in the video, try watching it.
@Illumirage
4 жыл бұрын
@@butte5359 its the implication however. Destinys stance essentially is that white people should all hate themselves and want every country they inhabit erased and replaced. You echo these sentiments being the racist that you are.
@butte5359
4 жыл бұрын
@@Illumirage Got a timestamp for when that was implied or said? If not, I'm going to assume you've simply not seen the video. You can call people racist all day long, but if you can't back your statement up it's simply empty.
@Illumirage
4 жыл бұрын
@@butte5359 i believe we've already went over this and I have provided you timestamps. We already said that it's baked into the rhetoric, he seems absolutely astonished that a certain group of people would want to remain a majority. Implying he feels otherwise. It's also odd, a lot of the things you say are Hollow and yet you accuse me of that. It's almost as if you're projecting, again. And again if you don't agree, I don't care. Agree to disagree. You don't have to sign off on things for it to be real or not real. I know you Destiny personally feel as though you have to police the comment section, being Destiny and all. This isn't an antifa meeting okay, not everybody has to tow the leftist progressive line here buddy
@jjlomanning6045
3 жыл бұрын
I like how one of jons talking points is: "You're saying white americans discriminated against irish people, look how white they are." Do none of these people know basic middle school grade history?
@Ragitsu
3 жыл бұрын
Asking a racist about history is almost always good for a laugh.
@entropicflux8849
2 жыл бұрын
nope. they sure don't! they also hate reading, absolutely hate it. if it's not on youtube or bitchute they don't have time, and who can blame them?
@soakupthenoise
2 жыл бұрын
they don't understand that whiteness is a construct which has boundaries that shift over time
@GippyHappy
2 жыл бұрын
Tbh they never taught that stuff in school. I didn’t learn about white immigrants being discriminated against in America until I was an adult. And I didn’t learn about the “white n****r” thing until…..today
@Hambo325
2 жыл бұрын
To be fair, Twitter and most people nowadays have a thing that's like "well they must be white because they aren't Latino, black, or Asian" lmao
@darkdragon5520
Жыл бұрын
Illumirage made more than 1k comments here. That’s unironically mentally insane. I hope he gets the help he needs.
@Illumirage
Жыл бұрын
Not 1 ill word about regis though. Who has posted 7x as many. Telling...
@darkdragon5520
Жыл бұрын
@@Illumirage I mean it’s a problem, but at least he’s right about the things he says, unlike you lol
@Illumirage
Жыл бұрын
@@darkdragon5520 no. He isn't
@darkdragon5520
Жыл бұрын
@@Illumirage Of course you’d say that, you’ve been stuck commenting the same thing over and over and over for years without doubting yourself.
@Illumirage
Жыл бұрын
Funny you bring up the mental illness part. This coming from a supposed left leaning person, you know, the ideology and party of tolerance and inclusion? But when you disagree with someone it's an insult. Nice. I think my comment count is more of an indictment of destiny's fanbase than me. They won't stop responding. They all think they're God's gift to debate, are petty and disingenuous like destiny is. I don't want to be here . But they keep responding anyway...
@olivreheck
15 күн бұрын
this was a weird episode of game grumps
@oldwomanfujoshi
2 жыл бұрын
When I first heard people calling jontron a racist I just assumed he had some pretty bad takes and tweets in the past but HOLY SHIT
@MrPicklekvGygA
2 жыл бұрын
When I saw your comment I thought I was the one that posted it lol.
@oldwomanfujoshi
2 жыл бұрын
@@MrPicklekvGygA What the fuck it's my doppelganger
@ayemex5444
2 жыл бұрын
Woah.....
@kendrickory5204
2 жыл бұрын
@@MrPicklekvGygA I thought you were responding to yourself
@breadtube_king5744
2 жыл бұрын
@Bluescore De'La'vie :|
@DalleDayul
4 жыл бұрын
No joke, this was the debate that stopped me from going down the alt-right pipeline. I was hugely into the whole GamerGate stuff. Used to post on /r/KotakuInAction, watched videos about anti-SJWs, all the shit. I still saw myself as left-wing but a lot of my social beliefs were getting worse and worse, but I wasn't that far down. Then this video happened. Jon posted all his shit, this debate went viral, and everyone was talking about it. I remember watching it and being flabbergasted. I couldn't believe that fucking JonTron of all people was a racist and borderline white nationalist, it was insane. I then go to /r/KiA, and they're agreeing with him. People are bringing up dodgy statistics, talking about how Destiny "didn't debate fairly", and bringing out every excuse for Jon's appalling rhetoric. And it struck me immediately that I was effectively at entry-level in an alt-right community. I started to notice all the other bullshit, and eventually I got out of that sub and escaped politics for a while, then got brought back by more of Destiny's stuff. Guess I'm an SJW now. So thank you, Destiny, for calling out Jon's incessant bullshit. You might have just stopped me from becoming something awful.
@butte5359
4 жыл бұрын
You are not alone, there seem to be quite a few people who were going down the alt right pipeline but managed to get out. I honestly cringe when I think about some of the views I used to have.
@frankatwood3095
4 жыл бұрын
DalleDayul There is nothing awful about being a White person who want s a future for their people. This is accepted and encouraged for any other group. Whatever guilt you may have for not being anti-White is a subconsious desire to believe what people with instituional power tell you is right to believe.
@Illumirage
4 жыл бұрын
@@butte5359 it's bordering on bigotry how you guys assume anyone who is even slightly right leaning "fell down some rabbit hole". Yeah we fell victim to something. And not, there are a large contingent of people opposed to your opinions because many if not most of them are wrong or misguided. It would utterly break you to even entertain that there may be valid or legitimate arguments that the right has. You probably couldn't bring yourself to acknowledge one, being the partisan windbag that you are. That's some master level gaslighting though, I must say. Yeah it's super cringe not to want to see people similar to me vanish into the history books forever. Yeah what the fuck was I thinking? Also is there a left wing rabbit hole? Did you fall victim to some grand scheme like you paint it the other way around?
@butte5359
4 жыл бұрын
@@Illumirage I didn't assume anyone who is to the right of me has fallen down a rabbit hole. Honestly Damien this is again a case of you need to read the post you are responding to. I added a few words to the post to make my point more clear, hope that is not too much of a problem for you.
@Illumirage
4 жыл бұрын
@@butte5359 _"I didn't assume anyone who is to the right of me has fallen down a rabbit hole."_ You've made that implication several times. _"Honestly Damien this is again a case of you need to read the post you are responding to."_ No. _"I added a few words to the post to make my point more clear, hope that is not too much of a problem for you."_ Nothing you could possibly say would be too much of a problem for me.
@bransin
11 ай бұрын
My favorite bit is when racists stop themselves bc they know they’re about to say something racist but don’t want it to be seen that way
@Illumirage
11 ай бұрын
Destiny is a racist
@garywebb2432
11 ай бұрын
@@Illumiragewrong
@Illumirage
11 ай бұрын
@@garywebb2432 not wrong
@Thomas-te2lg
10 ай бұрын
@garywebb2432 ResetEra thinks Destiny is bigot, and they're hyper left-wing.
@garywebb2432
10 ай бұрын
@@Thomas-te2lg ah ok
@morosonline3000
2 ай бұрын
If Jon had just said "immigrants should integrate" and left it at that without adding all this insane BS onto it, he would've gotten a reasonable point that he was trying to articulate across with no controversy. this really is the OG kanye infowars moment
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