The fact Debbie didn’t understand that it was rape and got excited when she heard the date in date rape is a sure sign she is mentally sick
@sxrevenge2867
7 ай бұрын
not saying she isnt mentally ill or whatever but this is not a sign of her being mentally ill, her not knowing what she did was rape and not knowing what date rape means is a sign of being uneducated and ignorant not mentally ill ofc she isnt gonna know what she did was wrong or know what daterape is, look at her family and none of them care to teach her that and on top of that shes young shes only 14 so school isnt teaching her that yet either, but still even if her family and her school did teach her things this still is clearly just a sign of her being uneducated and ignorant
@eddiehjalmarsson5966
6 ай бұрын
Or it's a sign of her being a kid and not understanding the situation?
@Anavaeebaee
5 ай бұрын
But the way she was like we were on a date?! 💀 like bitch you’re missing the point!!
@Spacetacoss
22 күн бұрын
@@sxrevenge2867 technically it could be considered a sign of mental illness in her case considering she stole a baby in the earlier seasons lol.
@Jack22024
Жыл бұрын
I'm really happy Shameless did a storyline of a male being raped by a female. Erections are not consent. Words are consent. Those words also have to be from someone sober since it is considered that only sober people can consent to sexual activity because they can understand risks while intoxicated people can not
@sophiaelia6700
Жыл бұрын
Matty was still 20 saying he’d do her when she turned 16💀 Debbie didn’t even know what she did
@austindavis906
Жыл бұрын
@@sophiaelia6700 she didn’t know she had sex with him against his will? Not true. She is every bit responsible for that. However, him telling her he’d have sex with her is a different story.
@kateweir552
Жыл бұрын
@@sophiaelia6700 not you taking the side of the rapist
@Meetinmichigan
Жыл бұрын
He deserved it lmao he was a grown ass pedophile
@kateweir552
Жыл бұрын
@@Meetinmichigan no
@johnnahollister3721
10 ай бұрын
I felt so bad for Matt. He really tried to do the right thing and not sleep with her and make sure she knew they were just friends and she raped him
@anaosoossmdjkdld
10 ай бұрын
he dated her and continued a friendship with a girl 7 years younger than him. i don't.
@johnnahollister3721
10 ай бұрын
@@anaosoossmdjkdld they didn’t date once he found out how old she was he said they were just friends she’s the one who took it differently, did he let her do questionable things that led her on and fed into it but for the most part she nice he found out her age it was like strictly friends
@anaosoossmdjkdld
10 ай бұрын
@@johnnahollister3721 he said he would SLEEP WITH HER AND DATE HER when she turned 16. he liked her, and was waiting to date her. not to mention he still cuddled with her, held her hand and more after she told him she was 13. he shouldn't even be hanging out with someone her age, yet alone wanting to date. 'i really like u debbie ur just too young, id love to sleep with you when you're older, like 16.'
@ViciousNer
9 ай бұрын
Didn’t deserve the assault but it’s weird as fuck for a 20 year old man to entertain a friendship with a 13 year old girl.
@CocoAvalon
9 ай бұрын
He was a 20 year old man getting drunk with a THIRTEEN YEAR OLD! He's a creep!
@Doctorbullseye0_0
2 жыл бұрын
Debbie was wrong for doing that he had multiple times told Debbie they were friends but she had ignored that
@klausbaeeeeee7617
Жыл бұрын
Fr
@Dooddood2731
Жыл бұрын
@@jendowden blame debbie, she did it, if she was drunk she would have got mad and called it rape
@worldclasssinner
Жыл бұрын
he wanted to wait until she "grows up". this is hella weird. yall can't blame only debbie who is a child and he is a grown man and he knew well that she did not want to be friends
@yydd4954
Жыл бұрын
@@jendowden blame Debbie
@yydd4954
Жыл бұрын
@@worldclasssinner how can sleep with 13-14 year old? That's sick He was right there He liked her but he understood biology and science better than you
@HunkySnail
2 жыл бұрын
You could've at least put his pants back on Debbie. You did not leave my man, half naked, confused as fuck, in your room to wake up alone 💀
@angieb976
Жыл бұрын
Imagine if the condom broke and she got pregnant poor guy
@eliaswayne8237
11 ай бұрын
@@angieb976Which she became with seed robbery.
@DannyD-lr5yg
9 ай бұрын
@@angieb976 didn’t that happen?? I haven’t seen the show lol so maybe I’m confused.
@accidentalmadness1708
8 ай бұрын
“Remember he’s still a piece of shit and she did nothing wrong” - most of This psycho ass fandom
@joannay4985
6 ай бұрын
I truly feel sorry for Matt.I myself was a victim of date-rape. This experience is so awful ; I can't even explain the feeling of being betrayed or overpowered by someone close to you or a friend. 😢
@starkneverdied9001
4 ай бұрын
What happened to him is mostly his fault. He knew how she felt and what she wanted from him and instead of cutting ties with her he kept sending mixed signals and even said that he would like to sleep with her when she turns 16. He’s a creep
@Ke1ko7
3 ай бұрын
Debbie is a loser but Matt is a weirdo too don’t get it mistaking. He was essentially just waiting until she was of age but still continued to talk to her and be her “friend” knowing she wanted more. No normal functioning adult wants to seriously be friends with a minor, let alone entertain the idea of having sex with them as soon as it’s legal. He went to her party knowing she’s underaged and alcohol will be involved. Everyone knows Debbie is a piece of work so I don’t need to explain how she’s wrong here, it’s obvious. But I can’t feel “truly sorry for Matt” he’s not a great person either
@Ke1ko7
3 ай бұрын
@@starkneverdied9001exactly
@CocoAvalon
9 ай бұрын
But also creepy that a grown ass man wants to go party with a THIRTEEN YEAR OLD girl!
@Joe1887
7 ай бұрын
Yeah, that was a bad decision.
@a.evelyn5498
6 ай бұрын
& he brought two male friends
@Bread.sonicc
6 ай бұрын
You cna be serious she literally R him
@Run_th3_track
6 ай бұрын
@@Bread.soniccshe did and theres no excuse for it but he shouldnt have been hanging out with a little girl saying things like "wait until your sixteen" he was unintentionally leading her on
@to.lame.to.function5242
6 ай бұрын
Creepy. But he didn’t tape nor want to be involved with her like that
@eyeofthetiger9920
2 жыл бұрын
I always hated Debbie,,, she was a real B. She should've been arrested or something for what she did, if a guy did this, the world would go crazy over some girl who no one wants to date
@itzsombra10
Жыл бұрын
The problem was Matty was 20 and she was 14 or so at the time. Try explaining that to the cops. They would’ve questioned why he was with her and their relationship prior to that. Matty was also telling her that he’d love to have sex one day when she was older which is technically grooming.
@MaddoxMelton
Жыл бұрын
@@itzsombra10 doesn’t matter. She still raped him lmao.
@angieb976
11 ай бұрын
@@itzsombra10so if she was 14 then she got pregnant at 13?!
@malloryweeks3306
10 ай бұрын
@@angieb976Debbie was thirteen here. She got pregnant when she was fourteen almost fifteen
@gamerlordthebest
5 ай бұрын
She did get arrested for statutory raping Julia, it’s not much, but it’s something
@Th0ngMonstress3
4 ай бұрын
I felt so bad for Matt because there was no way he could've talked about his sexual assault to anyone without getting into details of who Debbie was because if he was unconscious or not he still wouldn't of looked like the victim.🥺
@hannahlang6316
Ай бұрын
While what Debbie did was absolutely awful, he was 100% grooming her. There’s no reason a 20 year old man should be hanging out, partying, or holding hands with a 13 year old girl. She definitely date raped him, but he 100% was on the path to statutory raping her. So we cannot pretend he was a complete victim.
@spIasher
25 күн бұрын
@@hannahlang6316 thats not how it works lady
@soulaanlioness
22 күн бұрын
Cause he’s not the victim. He’s a p3d0
@eunoiafx
4 ай бұрын
Honestly debbie was wrong for raping him, obviously. But i will say at the same time Matt was creepy. He was 20 and she was 13.
@Killflesh
2 жыл бұрын
can you do more of debbie and matty and where debbie is talking to molly and stuff
@jackelliott5146
8 ай бұрын
I'm arguing w someone over this because they're defending Debbie saying this is consensual
@accidentalmadness1708
8 ай бұрын
So many people defend this Shit and it’s insane. Imagine instead of being Debbie she was Dan people lose their fucking minds. The crazy thing is that from what I’ve seen it’s mostly women defending her which like I said is wild because I thought they would be the first group to be against rape.
@jclyntoledo
3 ай бұрын
@@accidentalmadness1708Hell no, I'm a woman and I'm not defending her for this. Actually most of the fan base hate her for this so not sure who you're talking about.
@fbbWaddell
9 ай бұрын
At least he got an apology out of it. That doesn't normally happen.
@christophercrosbie5744
8 ай бұрын
Sorry mate, sorry is never enough when it comes to this type of stuff. It's never allowed and is inexcusable. Everyone has a mind and should know how to use it. Not even Debbie but it goes for everyone.
@cngotham4111
7 ай бұрын
@@christophercrosbie5744i mean hes woerd as fuck being friends with a 13 year old getting drunk going to parties with her. Obviously what she did was fucker but he was sus.
@nakedeagle7286
6 ай бұрын
Switch they genders and Say "at least he apologized for it"
@njyawndra8609
6 ай бұрын
@@christophercrosbie5744I don't think he was making excuses for Debbie.
@jamieswenor9021
9 ай бұрын
It's a great series,but it's just a series.
@trinibinni5438
3 ай бұрын
Everyone attacks debs but forget that she’s a young vulnerable girl who didn’t have guardians who taught her what healthy relationships are from the start. Not to mention this is a grown ass man who started to talk to her first and knew fully well how young she was. Even before they when they were just “friends hanging out” he allowed and even reciprocate romantic gestures back to her. He practically led her on the entire time. Ofc is was wrong was she did but she barely knows right from wrong from the start and only thought of him as a older guy who was playing hard to getz
@Spacetacoss
22 күн бұрын
Wow so you think him leading her on is his fault he got raped? Thats like saying women get raped because of the clothing they wear. God damn you should check your morals.
@moseskuria1234
2 ай бұрын
Why was Matty even hanging with Debbie to begin with?
@bossman9873
8 ай бұрын
That’s not how that works.
@tignormadison
Жыл бұрын
He's a groomer he's 20 she's 13 still wrong what she did he kept telling her one we'll have sex , other stuff but still smh
@richardlovesearth5218
Жыл бұрын
She… raped him… he didn’t consent….
@itzBlackDenz
Жыл бұрын
He’s not a groomer
@magnolia9088
Жыл бұрын
She... raped him. You understand that right
@thepikarivera7706
Жыл бұрын
@@itzBlackDenz he definitely is but Debbie was wrong in this specific situation.
@dioneewright1371
Жыл бұрын
It was constantly debbie pushing for their relationship to move to a sexual point matty was saying no and trying to spare her feelings. She didn't respect his choices because she believed she was already an adult and could make adult choices.
@tdsvultur3978
2 ай бұрын
Some people are trying to defend Debbie here which I don’t get at all, yes it was weird for him to still hang out with her when she is underage and a little girl but he never tried to force himself on her or anything like that, she raped him and if anything thinks men can’t get raped are hella stupid
@Twan_blessed
9 ай бұрын
Here my question if he had sex with Debbie why didn’t he kick her out the house never call him again
@grantross75
9 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Ceeboyforlife
Жыл бұрын
Can we agree this is Fiona’s fault? Debbie is a kid trying to grow too fast.
@itzsombra10
Жыл бұрын
Ain’t no fucking way this is Fiona’s fault. She was the one who was constantly telling Debbie it was a bad idea to have the kid. But Debbie was to fucking stubborn and felt like if she kept it, Derek would come back. Let’s also talk about how she intentionally lied to him about her BC being effective knowing it wouldn’t be for 48 hours in order to trap him instead of talking to him about having a kid. Remember Fiona was 9 when she had to become a mother figure to lip and Ian and a baby Carl and Debbie a few years later. Fiona did everything to care for her siblings and protect them. Fiona had to drop out of high school. She did everything to make sure her siblings did good in school and would finish school. When she started to put herself first everyone turned their backs on her. Yes she had a ton of flaws and was constantly self sabotaging but that was due to everything she went through. Her biggest problem was she always chose the worst possible guys for her. Jimmy was a shitty person but he had the best chemistry with her. He also self sabotaged so it didn’t work out. The two guys that were good she cheated on both of them. She had a chance to salvage her marriage with Gus but decided to pick Sean who was also a horrible person. It’s like they said earlier in the show, Gallaghers sure knew how to pick them. The only one who picked right was Ian and even then it was kind of toxic but they were easily the best couple besides kev and V. Fiona was always there for everyone. When Lip was struggling with addiction she was there. When Ian was struggling with his Bipolar she was constantly trying to help him. None of them were grateful and took her for granted. Fiona cut off Debbie as a way to try and have her mature and develop in order to be able to provide for her baby, Debbie felt this was an attack on her and blamed Fiona for all her problems. When Fiona told everyone they had to pitch in Debbie instantly went to being the victim and saying how Fiona hated her and her baby and how unfair it was. Fiona finally did what was best for her for once and left. Debbie decided that she had to step up to fill her shoes and upon realizing how much Fiona dealt with she instantly started blaming everyone else. So please spare me with the Fiona slander. Only one responsible for Debbie being the way she is is Debbie herself
@milliegeorge4469
Жыл бұрын
It’s Debbie’s fault, and her fault only. She was told they were friends, she still raped him. End of story.
@kalliemorton5435
9 ай бұрын
How did u get to this?
@marianafeliciano6601
8 ай бұрын
@Ceeboyforlife How is it Fiona's fault? Don't you mean is Frank and Monica for being so messed up?
@lamarRichardIII
7 ай бұрын
@@itzsombra10the only gripe is Fiona is Liam’s legal guardian, and she just left him.
@user-eg8wh8gg7q
6 ай бұрын
yeah debbie is messed up for r3ping him but at the same time she probably didnt know that was considered rape because she was sooo young and didnt know plus HE WAS 20 AND SHE WAS 13! so he basically wanted to groom her because she told him she was 13 so she kinda pulled an uno reverse card on him but yeah she had no buisness having "sexual intercourse" with him without his consent!!!!!!!!!
@stephanewillier9956
Жыл бұрын
Debbie and Fiona are the worst characters on shameless FYI carls the best 😂
@hi-uz4dx
Жыл бұрын
How would you rank the Gallaghers including Frank? I would say 1.Lip 2.Ian 3.Frank 4.Carl 5.Liam 6.Fiona 7.Debbie
@stephanewillier9956
Жыл бұрын
@@hi-uz4dx me 1.carl 2.lip 3.Liam 4.Ian 5.frank 6.Fiona and 100.Debbie can’t stand her teenage to young adult phase
@stefanienaranjo4477
9 ай бұрын
Fiona is definitely not the worst character
@stephanewillier9956
9 ай бұрын
@@stefanienaranjo4477 for me personally it’s come to her relationship she choose losers and the one time she had a great and hot guy cheats on him with his brother and almost gets Liam killed
@stephanewillier9956
9 ай бұрын
@@stefanienaranjo4477 also I didn’t like Sean I grew up with a couple addicts and they don’t change in my experience
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