When we accused someone of plagiarising our work, we spent half an hour providing evidence that this was the case. To date, neither Britt nor Courtney have supplied any evidence whilst accusing us of the same. Today's video addresses that double standard.
@diligentcircle
5 ай бұрын
Re: erasing Levi's contributions, at one point I even saw a KZitem comment claiming that Levi and Ethel are the same person and that Ethel (paraphrasing) "created a fake avatar" or something. Which aside from being an attitude that's hostile to plural systems, it's just… obviously untrue. Even if you don't know about Levi's personal channel which is years old at this point, you two sound nothing alike, even having completely different accents (which makes sense given that you're originally from opposite sides of the planet).
@mischr13
5 ай бұрын
whattt 😭 I don't know how someone could possible think they're the same person lol people really just say stuff. (I actually found Levi's channel bc in one of Ethel's vids she did a screenshare while talking about Rationality Rules and I saw one of Levi's vids on her "up next" recommendations. This was before Levi and Ethel even started working together. They have to be a weird conspiracy theorist to think she started faking being Levi like 4 or 5 years ago)
@Temudhun
5 ай бұрын
Yeah, I don't know if it was the same comment but I saw such claims too, with someone saying that Ethel "Didn't even try to use a different voice" which... What?
@EssenceOfThought
5 ай бұрын
What really gets me about this is the fact that we've livestreamed dozens of shows together with me on camera. So unless I'm a master ventriloquist, I have no idea as to how I pulled that off!
@ALeviCalledBird
5 ай бұрын
I'm sorry, what?!
@wintersupremacy
5 ай бұрын
I’ve seen this too. It’s like people don’t even bother to research before making claims like this, and just use it as ammo…
@battybash
4 ай бұрын
I'm always grateful for your thorough, patient investigations and calm demeanor. I feel like you're one of the only yt channels that's trustworthy anymore. Love your content, keep going and don't let the haters get you down!!
@gadgettop23
5 ай бұрын
I remember seeing that pinned comment on lazy bedhead's video, and I was so concerned that it was just immidiatly trusted while including literally no evidence. It is interesting how the people accuse EOT of centering Ethel and focusing on profit, while at the same jumping on the bandwagon to harass you and to zero in on this "drama" rather than the perpetrator Lily Orchard and how internet spreads misinformation. This shows me the true sell outs!
@EssenceOfThought
5 ай бұрын
We'll get to the financial angle in the next video, specifically how Courtney's lies by omission, leaving out the fact that all testimony Adsense was donated to StrongHearts Native Helpline, has led others to assert I've pocketed the money, in spite of said donations being made publicly.
@rookideetrainer1635
5 ай бұрын
I can't really think of much to comment about this video, but since comments are beneficial I guess that's just what I'll say? Just confused about what the people being talked about want out of this situation, so I can't think of much to say.
@EssenceOfThought
5 ай бұрын
I don't know either. That's something we'll see a lot more in tomorrow's video where I share my private conversation with Courtney. The moment they realized that everything they'd been led to believe about me wasn't true, they lashed out and told me it was "too little too late" for shit I hadn't even done. Thankfully the end is in sight.
@jennyesevik7162
5 ай бұрын
Sad you have to go through this. There are so much else you could do with your time but because of these people you're forced to deal with this instead.
@EssenceOfThought
5 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's been exhausting. This was all supposed to be a single video exposing plagiarism and move on. Thankfully I just have tomorrow's video, three more pieces (about different topics), and then I'm free!
@bjam89
5 ай бұрын
now i am asking cos autism, and english isn't my first language, but how is being someone's sibling in any way a good way to show you are an authority on someone, like i don't even know how many siblings i have, and i sure as hell would not think my siblings are experts on me. and its not like it is a well documented thing that families does not know just how horrible their family members are and siding with their kids over the people their kids hurt cos there is no way their kid would ever hurt anyone despite all evidence pointing that no they did so.
@cocobunny7454
5 ай бұрын
However this is irrelevant when it comes to this situation like of course Courtney is going to know more personal info on the person who sexually assaulted her who she had to live with for years?
@Pompom1324
5 ай бұрын
@@cocobunny7454 yeah I agree, since Courtney is one of the victims, her statements should also be taken into account.
@JohnnyTheWolf-d3p
5 ай бұрын
I swear, the way all these characters come at you reminds me of the opening credits sequence of the Adam West Batman TV show; like Batman and Robin, you and Levi keep metaphorically sending them flying, yet they keep trying anyway.
@akunan4989
5 ай бұрын
I've seen other users calling you a bully, or implying you are "intense" by responding extensively. As far as I've been able to judge, you just respond to accusations made against you. I guess this confirms the common pattern of internet discussions: if they know less than me they are ignorant. If they know more than me they have no social life. If they don't respond they got owned. If they respond they are bullies/intense.
@EssenceOfThought
5 ай бұрын
It is a pain to deal with. Like, my silence was taken as proof of what people were saying right up until I responded. Now I've seen at least one of the people involved claim that I'm piling onto them, even though this has been coming for weeks. What did they expect me to do? Say nothing as they kept lying?
@akunan4989
5 ай бұрын
@@EssenceOfThought They wanted to have the last word since it was the best scenario for them. When you have the ability to directly refute the accusations, choosing to stay silent is usually the worst you can do since the amount of people who'll believe you got 'owned/exposed' will keep accumulating more in relative comparison to the ones who may side with you.
@angelorosso4871
5 ай бұрын
11:28 this, this is why I hold to the standard of being honest when talking about toxic creators
@fabiangamboa1714
5 ай бұрын
if the initial "ghosting" was due to you waiting on Britt and asserting that "she chose not to get back to me", then as a mutual project you could easily say you also chose not to check in and that you prioritized other things instead of the coverage. Like I'm not saying micromanage or anything but it seems like you poking her about the matter at any point would have gone a long way.
@EssenceOfThought
5 ай бұрын
And that's fair, I could have followed up but didn't for reasons we'll get to in the next video. But to say I ghosted her when I was very explicit about the fact that I'd work on other projects until she was done with her testimony is dishonest. It also doesn't justify lying, claiming our research as hers when she knows that not to be true.
@ALeviCalledBird
5 ай бұрын
I don't think Ethel was arguing they were powerless to get the project back on track, just that Britt's narrative that they abandoned her without rhyme or reason is dishonest. "We told Britt that we were waiting on her" is, in my opinion, a pretty good defence against Britt claiming that we'd disappeared without a word.
@enbycharlie6287
5 ай бұрын
As I've commented on your past few videos surrounding this topic, I am so sorry anyone is falsely accusing you, harassing you, or any other harmful thing that they've done and won't just listen to your side of the story or just leave you alone if they refuse to listen Because I watch these videos, im often recommend commentary or video essay vids about this topic, and I tend to scroll the comments to gauge the general sentiment before I watch the video, and so many people that have only heard the side of VS, or anyone allied with them or parroting their words or ideas are still crying 'extortion' or 'screenshots aren't plagiarism' Even the ones that claim to be more 'unbiased' just do the 'both sides are wrong' thing, which is only a valid argument if both sides are legitimately wrong (which is not the case here) and if both stand on equal footing (which is also not the case). If you claim many members of opposing sides of an argument are equal (whether 1 on 1 civil matters like this or more broad issues like politics or human rights*), you are inherently siding with the side with more power/money/social status/etc, so in this case, these so-called centrists are siding with VS against you, defeating the purpose of their on-the-fence style of opinions * I'm not at all saying this is lesser to those more broad issues, but it has a different medium and way of forming arguments and sides. And this could very well be argued as a matter of politics and human rights, just of you, Levi, and other victims of LO and VS and those allied with them, not millions or billions of people as I meant when stating "broad issues"
@lampb0obs
5 ай бұрын
Thorough as always
@xxxmysticaldragonxxx
5 ай бұрын
Its unfortunate that these kinds of people are just looking to antagonize folks like y'all these days. The videos on this channel are some of the best, the most thorough, and the most informative. Hopefully, more people see this. Especially folks who may have watched the videos of those antagonizing the work presented on this channel. Folks who use their voices for good genuinely deserve to be heard. All of the work of this channel helps folks like me feel safer in this big wide world. Thank you for being able to speak out when people try to take advantage of others.
@adenwolf-yv5cm
5 ай бұрын
Take a comment for the algorithm gods! Seriously though, this entire thing has been immensely frustrating to watch in real time, especially on Tumblr, and I’m sorry you were backed into a corner on this. I hope you’re doing better, and I look forward to the next video
@boba3331
5 ай бұрын
I really dislike Courtney's attitude in the clips you showed - something about them just really rubs me the wrong way. They've had literal years to come out and discuss Lily and have chosen not to. I totally understand that having a sibling like Lily would be absolutely traumatising, but it seems like they're really on their high horse about how they're "doing your work for you" when again they could have done this at... any point... literally no one was stopping them.
@EssenceOfThought
5 ай бұрын
Part 2 will be dropping in 20 minutes, and it'll explore their attitude towards not just me, but their fellow survivors.
@Wildcard120
5 ай бұрын
Sorry about the trouble you went through. Thanks for informing us about this.
@EssenceOfThought
5 ай бұрын
Thanks, just want to get beyond all this. Thankfully I'm just three videos away from being free of the last four years.
@mv9653
5 ай бұрын
The thing with centering victims in cases with multiple victims is that they’re not going to be a monolith and they’re not going to all have the same response to how people cover them. It is my understanding that Levi is a victim of Lily too, yes? I can understand where Courtney is coming from by feeling that you asking for monetary compensation not for the victims but for yourself, but given that Levi is also a victim, that complicates matters because Levi has the right to share and discuss his own experience how he sees fit, just like Courtney. This is also something ethical creators have to deal with anyway when they cover subject matter with real life victims. Sometimes victims will say and do things that creators will take issue with and creators have to balance the need to center victims with doing what they feel is right in the grander scheme. There’s also the matter of how you address the fact that capitalism means we need to make money but you also have to make sure you’re not exploiting victims for money. I remember when there was a schism amongst Onision’s victims when Shiloh had different goals for sharing the story than the other victims and took issues with creators that other victims thought were sharing the stories well. I really wish Rachel Oates had just kept her mouth shut (difficulty level: Impossible, apparently. She really is the Hopeless Peaches of Skepticism.) I don’t think it’s unreasonable to debate if your approach to Vangelina was the right one. I don’t think it’s unreasonable for Courtney to feel like content creators haven’t covered victim stories adequately. But now, I see a lot of people insisting that Rachel Oates being friends with Vangelina is the only reason you had issues with Vangelina. Obviously, there isn’t proof one way or another, just your word, but now a lot of the criticism isn’t addressing the actual conflict, just who’s friends with who, which isn’t helpful. The conversation should be focused on getting justice for the many people who have been harmed by Lily, regardless of what that justice looks like for each one.
@EssenceOfThought
5 ай бұрын
One thing we cover in tomorrow's video that Courtney conveniently left out is how all money made from the victim testimony videos (as well as the video about InkRose) has been donated to StrongHearts Native Helpline, with the victims agreeing doing so was the best thing to do. Note, nobody else brought this up, I made the decision to do that with the InkRose video in 2021. That means every victim testimony video after that was created in the knowledge that it wouldn't make money via adsense and would take up the slot of a video that could. We only kept the money for the content analysis videos (Stockholm, Doomsday Ascending), and our long rebuttal video since they weren't centered on a victim's story. Skov stole from those videos as well, stealing from us in the process. We'd always intended to donate a portion of the compensation in proportion to the testimonies Skov stole, but that never happened of course.
@Umbramus
5 ай бұрын
Britt's motif for doing this? Clout. I've seen it all before. If a creator that's mildly less popular or even liked says something, people take it in the worst possible light to claim brownie points for calling out the evil meanie. If a popular/well liked creator says something, well obviously they're telling the truth! They're too sweet to lie! It's bandwagoning combined with the general internet user's disinterest in actual fact checking, and that's how crap like these narratives against you spread. Also just saying. Watch Courtney say you're devaluing victims or something similar by calling her toxic like those two things are mutually exclusive.
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