Years ago, already knew about the Captain atom paralyzing the flash by messing with his molecules and a laser gun hitting him giving him a seizure.
@HeroTheHedgehog999
Жыл бұрын
This video shows how bad the death battle really is. Just insane how this video just destroys the episode.
@SonicIsTheGoat14
Жыл бұрын
As a fan of both characters, I can agree that the results were bad. but there are fights worse than this episode.
@ILikeSoda229
9 ай бұрын
Yeah, they can be really bad sometimes
@danielamorim283
Жыл бұрын
Damn, i missed this
@SonicIsTheGoat14
Жыл бұрын
hey Geburah, since Death Battle made Obito win, you could debunk the fight if you want to. Also, this is a pretty great debunk, they low-balled Wally and downplayed Archie Sonic. Super Sonic wins with mid-high difficulty.
@spincycle6724
Жыл бұрын
I agree
@SonicIsTheGoat14
Жыл бұрын
@@spincycle6724 Death Battle made Obito win. The next fight will be Phoenix vs Raven.
@spincycle6724
Жыл бұрын
@@SonicIsTheGoat14 really?Thanks
@domigamerblocktrieon9778
10 ай бұрын
In my eyes, I think they exaggerated and overated a lot of Wally's abilities and feats and heavily downplayed Sonic's. Sonic in his base form already has displayed levels of both power and speed that far surpass what the flash has shown to do just by this video alone. Super Sonic by himself is just overkill.
@callumcrane241
Жыл бұрын
You plan on doing the Shadow trilogy next? Knuckles vs Donkey Kong? Power Rangers vs Voltron? The 100th episode?
@SonicIsTheGoat14
Жыл бұрын
I feel the next one they're gonna do is Vergil vs Sephiroth. They should also do Hulk vs Doomsday, Naruto vs Ichigo, Iron Fist vs Po, Madara vs Aizen, Stitch vs Rocket, Vader vs Obito, and Phoenix vs Raven.
@callumcrane241
Жыл бұрын
@@SonicIsTheGoat14 Hmm. Hmm. Fare.
@SonicIsTheGoat14
Жыл бұрын
@@callumcrane241 there might some more fights, but I just thought those fights were bs.
@callumcrane241
Жыл бұрын
@@SonicIsTheGoat14 I see.
@percivalknightoftheflames855
10 ай бұрын
@@SonicIsTheGoat14nah Naruto Stomps Ichigo Badly
@JakerTaker
7 ай бұрын
I know I am very late but I would like to say this. People who try to argue “Sonic didn’t rewrite the multiverse himself, he just took control of the Genesis Wave and made IT undo everything” (which is a terrible argument and very blatantly ignores the context of the scans surrounding that feat) try to use the fact Sonic and Megaman’s chaos control couldn’t fix reality in Worlds Unite to support the claim……. Even though it was heavily implied reality was beyond repair even for chaos control 😑
@user-ns9ve3lg3d
6 ай бұрын
I know right where did this downplay come from.
@JakerTaker
6 ай бұрын
Don’t know where it came from but I think The Supreme Duo’s Archie Sonic “debunk” videos fanned the flames of it. Or maybe it was Protoboy-xx who knows.
@user-ns9ve3lg3d
5 ай бұрын
@@JakerTaker yeah I was arguing with probotyxx some time ago and he kept on dfying the context of the comic with his so called 'evidence'
@TheSamuofSamus
Жыл бұрын
idk who fan that is the bg but someone gotta enable push to talk dog lmao.
@hidd3n-4li
Жыл бұрын
I briefly joined the VC, but I didn't speak at all.
@themightofgeburah5882
Жыл бұрын
Got it.
@Vindication1134
4 ай бұрын
Have you taken a look at Ultraguy's Flash vs Sonic q&a? He gives Wally better feats than the actual episode did. And he gives Wally actually incalculable speeds that he does not put a number on. He also goes into the cosmology differences between Archie Comics and DC and explains why he believes DC's is far larger. Ultraguy is a researcher for Death Battle.
@themightofgeburah5882
4 ай бұрын
I did my own research on Archie Comics and DC too, it’s band for band. Wally’s “incalculable” feats are not anywhere near the Sonic Generations event feat of moving in White Space (Sonic Generations happened in Archie)
@HeroTheHedgehog999
4 ай бұрын
@@themightofgeburah5882I don’t understand how Wally West is faster than Archie Sonic at all.
@The0-2DemonKing
Жыл бұрын
Is this an outcome debunk or an info debunk?
@themightofgeburah5882
Жыл бұрын
Both essentially.
@alexfraser8352
10 ай бұрын
I'd like to point out that the official win ratio (out of 100 battles) is wally's 51 to sonic's 49. So wally just barely won, yet they didn't state one single win con for sonic throughout the whole video.
@HeroTheHedgehog999
9 ай бұрын
Wait for real? Is that legit?
@ILikeSoda229
9 ай бұрын
How’d you figure that out?
@alexfraser8352
8 ай бұрын
Some other video on KZitem pointed this out. Can't remember who though
@josealves-w5y
6 ай бұрын
This is already a lie since Sonic has more ways to kill Wally, and since Sonic is immortal, Wally would or wouldn't have any chance of killing him.
@GreySymmetric
Жыл бұрын
I was here!
@bonitafontenot7865
4 ай бұрын
I have a question how does Wally speed or the speed force not working outside of its multiverse affect this battle in any way I really want to know
@Vindication1134
4 ай бұрын
It does not. Wally has become "unmoored", meaning he no longer relies on a connection to the speed force
@JakerTaker
4 ай бұрын
Wait. That’s what unmoored means for Wally. Hm.
@themightofgeburah5882
4 ай бұрын
@Vindication1134 it’s literally stated that he’s connected to the Speed Force by Barry in LATER issues. Unmoored is not used in that context.
@john_negs7720
Жыл бұрын
I WAS HERE!
@bonepawn1644
Жыл бұрын
Hey, I was there and contributed absolutely nothing!
@knuclestheechidna5406
Жыл бұрын
You was in the vid?
@bonepawn1644
Жыл бұрын
@@knuclestheechidna5406 yeah, i was tree
@knuclestheechidna5406
Жыл бұрын
Heeeck yeah 🥳
@Vindication1134
4 ай бұрын
Doesn't Rebirth bring back the infinite universes DC originally had?
@josealves-w5y
4 ай бұрын
no(for some reason)
@mrme.484
Жыл бұрын
this a revision?
@themightofgeburah5882
Жыл бұрын
Yeah. I found new information so I made a new debunk.
@shardsoftime0952
9 ай бұрын
Why didn't you guys debunk the fight itself, there's some pretty dumb shit in it
@GcmAstro97
5 ай бұрын
I will do that for you 1)Wally cannot drain Sonic 's speed because he has Rings to protect and restare his Speed and have the Same Factor like Zoom has with his Temporal Source 2)A Super Emerald would have gived a Short Time for Sonic to use an impressive time of Chaos Energy like when he has the 7 Universe Chaos Emeralds (wich are millions of them fused in the Special Zone) 3) Super Sonic was really uneless and Wasted when this form has So Many powers switched with an Wanked Ultra State 4) Super Sonic Becoming Ultra Sonic is a Goku ssj to Ultra istinct failed ispiration, Ultra Sonic is waaaaay weaker than the Super Form, The Rings are confirmed to be a Sub-Product of the Emeralds and not they Primal Sources like the Master Emerald who do EXATLY this thing , Scourge and Dr.Finiteus need to Recharge their rings to the Master Emerald to Work because Rings according to Morgan have nearly (NEARLY) LIMITLESS POWER while Super Sonic with a Power of 7 f...jems of the Universe and the Master Emeralds would be OP 4)Sonic' s forms were dumbed like a Punching Bag wich Archie Sonic is not a Push Over when he used the Super Form against Chaos,Dark Gaia, Egg Wily X, Sigma 3 , Enerjack etc... 5) "You mastered Speed ,but I ve mastered Fate" ??? Cringest Line who Sonic would Never Say , really a Worst Line and stupid , Sonic should say like to Sigma 3 "This is the Power of Dreams Become Reality , Beyond Speed , Beyond Force , THIS IS CHAOS CONTROOOOL" or Something else damn it... 6) Wally say "Linda , Jay ,Payrus HELP ME NOW"... WTF are you??? a Power Ranger Bro, he never did this in the Comics especially against Zoom,Reverse Flash, TDK , Anti Monitor Wtf is this bs... 7) Sonic can intercept or BLOCK Wally when he Travel Time thanks to Chaos Control and using To Open a Rift in the Time Space Continuum and Catch Him , Even if Wally Kill a Young Sonic without Powers Sonic (Scaling to King Sonic) he was Immune to the Changes of Time when he was time travelling thanks to Rotor in the Future to stop a Sub Quantum Crisis , The Fight should have Continued NOT stopped, (Note: Chaos Knuckles was resisting a Change of time when he changed a past of his own kind of story
@bonitafontenot7865
4 ай бұрын
@@GcmAstro97oh you missed one Wally West did not out run death he actually went to the end of the universe where the concept of death didn't exist causing him to disappear Wally himself said that death will eventually catch up with him
@Vindication1134
4 ай бұрын
The fight is just for entertainment. A lot of fights would be 2 second blitzes and one shots if they were meant to be realistic
@Vindication1134
4 ай бұрын
@@GcmAstro97 Sonic's rings only replenish his speed. They don't take it back from the person who stole it. Wally still gets to keep the speed he stole from himself. Ultra Sonic is more powerful than Super. He transformed into Super Sonic first, then Ultra when he absorbed more chaos energy. Sonic has never stopped anyone from time traveling, ever. No character in Archie has. King Sonic is literally proof that Sonic is not immune to time changes. He goes from being a king, to being a bum on the street with Shadow now being married to his wife due to timeline changes. The only character in Archie who is immune to time travel is Silver.
@GcmAstro97
4 ай бұрын
@@Vindication1134 1)The rings have magic propriety if you read the Modern archie Era , they can restare speed, soul, mind , strenght , age, and get some wishes , Jay mention who they cannot stole Zoom's speed because he has another atemporal source , Sonic has already Atemporal Force in himself being the Chaos Incarnate so the probability are lows 2)In the Adventure era Chaos and Sonic use the power of Seven Super Emeralds and they become what we know from the Games , Rings according to Nate Morgan and in the Encyclopedia are only sub-product of the Emeralds and they are only a nigh limitless energy compared to the Chaos Emeralds and the Master Emerald (who can recharge the ring's energy like Scourge and Dr.Finiteus did it, the scene from When Sonic got hit from the Time Beam the Comic was in Reverse time , he got Super Sonic to base not Super to Ultra because time was going Foward and he got the Green Eyes that we know in the Modern Era , that's another reason, in the saga of Great Armony = Adam fuse the emeralds from the Universe (millions ) and Sonic not become Ultra but a new powerfull Super Sonic so The Rings are waayy inferior , just Mammoth Mogul who was a Ixis Master he was Superior to Naugus who was exatly master of Elements so that's why you should read well the comics. 3)False ,Chaos Knuckles did it for prevent the Quantum Beam , he used the Chaos power to travel in time, so anyone who possess this Energy can do Everything (according to Dimitri), ah Super Sonic fought the Solaris of Archie comics and the Time Eater according to Thomas so he has time traveled 4)It Is , King Sonic closed the holes in the Time Space to fix the Reality and the Time/Space (according to the Interview of the Ian Flynn in the end of the comic) this gest changed the timeline where Sally was with Shadow and the Kids were never Born, Sonic was alone and survived but with sad emotional effects of his family
@nightmarex7442
9 ай бұрын
I have three questions: 1. Is Archie's cosmology more than DC? 2 .Is it true that Archie Sonic can generate speed, and in battle he didn't have to turn into super Sonic? 3 .Is there enough basic Sonic to defeat Wally West and is there enough super Sonic for Wally West with the abilities of Dr. Manhattan ?
@GcmAstro97
5 ай бұрын
Nice questions I will use everything I ve learned until today about the Post Crisis Comics and Archie Sonic 290 and Super specials 1) It can be hard to be short here but DC cosmology was debunked to be only 6D in Morrison and Snyder Scott ,exist a Microverse and the Orrey of Worlds because they are only 52 universes in Same Space with dimensional Planes wich include God's sphere and and the Uncounscious Incollective wich are the magic in the Multiverse, Speed Force and Hypertime are the concept of Time and the 5th and 6th dimensions have differences but they are just Planes according to Scott and they are inferior to the Source Wall who divide the Great Omniverse Archie Sonic in Pre and Post Genesis wave is a Infinite Multiverse with Infinite possibilities and Infinite Zones of pocket and cosmic size and Infinite planes thanks to the Chaos Force The only Way DC is Bigger is thanks to the Writer DeMatteis wich have Infinite D structures wich Archie have not (uneless using Ian because he failed to explain twice ) So in my reasume DC (Matteis) >>>> Archie Sonic Multiverse >>>> DC(Scott)>>>DC (Morrison) but it takes long to explain so many errors who many fans do to both cosmologies 2)True , with just tree rings can restore his speed but this was in classic era and protect him in case of mutation in physical and spiritual essence , Super Sonic and the Chaos Emeralds are stated and prooved to have Infinite Power and Supply of Energy so yes 3) I guess this is hard but I say Honest Here , Wally will beat Sonic in a battle of Base forms but in Trasformations Super Sonic Archie has the upper grade even for Wally Use Manhattan's powers the Golden Hedgehog can do perfectly the same , and have better invulnerability against Magic,Time and Space manipulation and Existing Erasures , Super Sonic was able to withstand The Super Genesis wave , a Powerfull Hex and Dark Energy from Dark Gaia wich Wally Failed against The Batman who Laughs who stopper his powers and stealed his Mobius Chair's Crisis Energy to defeat a Weakened version of Perpetua using the Cracks of the Source Wall. Tell me you that
@Stillhandling101
4 ай бұрын
@@GcmAstro97 Which is bigger, marvel cosmology or dc cosmology
@GcmAstro97
4 ай бұрын
@@Stillhandling101 Marvel
@josealves-w5y
4 ай бұрын
@@Stillhandling101 marvel cosmology is bigger In a universe, there are an endless amount of dimensions An atom in Marvel is an endless universe itself.
@Stillhandling101
4 ай бұрын
@@josealves-w5y The same with dc lmao
@TurboTastik
Жыл бұрын
It sounds like you're recording in a fridge. Also mute your discord its annoying
@TurboTastik
Жыл бұрын
Why did you heart this, this wasn't a compliment
@josealves-w5y
4 ай бұрын
@@TurboTastik thanks for the feedback
@PeterOkoye-dc2sc
2 ай бұрын
He got knocked off by f****** paper when
@Stillhandling101
4 ай бұрын
Can you debunk probobotxxx
@undeadbatman9762
Жыл бұрын
I was there
@ADoggoNamedTom
Ай бұрын
Why is sonic so damn strong 😭
@nicolewhite3157
6 ай бұрын
One issue. "You literally calculated Flash's speed!" They calculated a speed feat for Wally but that doesn't mean they calculated his top speed. Archie Sonic states he can move at twice the speed of sound which is only Mach 2, bam Archie Sonic now has quantifiable speed. You see how dumb that is?
@themightofgeburah5882
6 ай бұрын
The point is they said his speed was incalculable yet they clearly calculated it giving specific indicators of quantification like data and numbers. Archie Sonic isn’t relevant to the analysis of Flash’s speed take that shit somewhere else.
@nicolewhite3157
6 ай бұрын
@@themightofgeburah5882 It's not relevant to Flash's analysis but it's relevant to your point, you claim that Death Battle calculated Flash's speed after they calculate 1 speed feat, so I used a quantifiable speed feat for Sonic which under the logic that since Death Battle calculated a speed feat for Wally means they calculated Flash's speed gives us the conclusion that a quantifiable Archie Sonic speed feat is now his top speed. Yes they don't explain why Wally has unquantifiable speed but this doesn't mean he isn't unquantifiable
@themightofgeburah5882
6 ай бұрын
@nicolewhite3157 they calculated a speed feat that they explicitly claimed was incalculable which is a contradiction to their point. That’s a contradiction to what you’re trying to prove, you specifically admitted that the speed that they used for Sonic was quantifiable under their own words therefore it’s not an applicable comparison to what Death Battle claimed for Flash. Flash Fans can’t defend their Flash bias and wank so they’ll try to derail by mentioning another character which is irrelevant to the point they’re trying to make lol.
@nicolewhite3157
6 ай бұрын
@@themightofgeburah5882 Flash bias? I couldn't care less about Wally, I always preferred Barry and even then I like Thawne more than both, hell I don't even really care if Wally doesn't actually beat Archie Sonic. Right now to respond to this This isn't a contradiction to the point I'm trying to prove LMAO, the point you guys were trying to make in the post analysis was that "they calculated Flash's speed," and you base this off of them calculating one speed feat. The rest of the speed feats most people use to say Wally has unquantifiable speed (such as running faster than the speed force, and running so fast he was tearing apart DC's multiverse,) were not given a number, you can argue the interpretation of those feats are wrong but this doesn't inherently mean that Wally isn't unquantifiable by their own logic. Yes ending Wally's analysis with running at less than one unit of planck time and saying it's unquantifiable is a very poor choice considering they literally had speed feats most people say are unquantifiable they didn't put a number on, but this doesn't mean Wally being unquantifiable is a contradiction by itself, the speed feat they chose to say was unquantifiable is a contradiction, but Wally being unquantifiable in general isn't. But that's probably where I'm going to leave this, I hope you have a good day, keep doing what you're doing because I do enjoy your content and the banter you guys have on these debunk videos.
@themightofgeburah5882
6 ай бұрын
@nicolewhite3157 If you’re biased towards Wally who is literally a Flash then yes you have Flash Bias. Yes it is, Death Battle said those feats of Sonic were quantifiable which they didn’t for Flash. They said Flash’s speed cannot calculated then proceeded to analyze what they themselves thought was Flash’s highest speed feat with a calculation so it doesn’t matter that it was “one” speed feat they fucking lied to put Flash over. The other speed feats are also quantifiable, The Speed Force is stated to be the Speed Of Light of DC in guidebooks provided by DC themselves which we showed functioned similarly to real life with actual numbers shown in the scan for how fast that is. Running fast enough to tear the DC Multiverse is not true, the destruction of the DC Multiverse was not contingent on Flash’s speed but the other Forces (including the Speed Force) fighting for dominance (it was actually explained in the comics and the comics that came after) so it’s not necessarily connected to their speed and therefore you are not being genuine here. THAT IS A CONCESSION BRO YOU JUST IMPLICITLY ADMITTED THAT THEY LIED ABOUT FLASH’S SPEED BEING UNQUANTIFIABLE EVEN WHEN THE HIGHEST FEAT THEY USED FOR HIM IS SHOWN TO BE THE OPPOSITE. The subject matter of Flash’s speed actually being unquantifiable is unrelated to the point in the video, the point is that; by their own fucking logic it is quantifiable. Saying that the Teleportation thing was his best feat is the main problem in of itself in Death Battle’s case anyway. Archie Sonic and the Flashes being able to do things like run through Time (which is not linear in those verses) with speed is not comparable to moving in the span of time that happens during teleportation that’s stupid lol. Have a good day, I know I sound like I’m mad with you personally but I’m not it’s just I don’t like the points you are making and I have to express that. I do like the fact that you are willing to express your thoughts and be honest with your beliefs though.
@zander513
Жыл бұрын
1000th viewer
@Idkanymore813
Жыл бұрын
I wasn't 😭
@Justhetainonanytard
2 ай бұрын
Post the same 13:50 You took Zoom scan out of context. Zoom controls timestreams themselves, planes inside the Omniverse beyond space-time where all infinite timelines and realities there, he wasn't using normal time stop and time power but the Timestream themselves, his personal timestream.
@Justhetainonanytard
2 ай бұрын
It seems the other links don't work, I give the coordinates. It's in Quora. Brock smith answer about Who would win in a fight, The Flash (Wally West) or Archie Sonic, and what did DB get wrong?. In the comments section debunked the same scans you used
@themightofgeburah5882
2 ай бұрын
The Speed Force is bound by this event called the Starting Line which connects it to Space and Time. Therefore if Zoom’s powers are through Time… and The Speed Force is bound to it… what does that imply?
@user-of9qq9uq5k
3 ай бұрын
Animation rewind fid better than death battle that sad
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