I think Shrek is the fantastic example of deconstructing the genre. The Shrek films parodied the fairy tale tropes just for the laughs and giggles, but also plays the role of the story as that Shrek isn't the knight in shining armor, but he was just a beast who was forced to save the princess to reclaim his swamp back. Not to mention the deconstruction of the "True Loves Kiss" where instead of reversing the curse, Fiona accepts the curse.
@rhondahoward8025
Жыл бұрын
People take one look at me and go "Ah! Run! Help! A big stupid ugly ogre!" They judge me before they even know me.
@DonVigaDeFierro
Жыл бұрын
More reasons why Shrek is better than most things Disney has put out the last 20 years.
@lordanubis1458
Жыл бұрын
Do you mean worst or best? But I will agree that Shrek's stranglehold on animated films was one of the worst things to have ever happened to western animation.
@poweroffriendship2.0
Жыл бұрын
@@lordanubis1458 Best.
@matityaloran9157
Жыл бұрын
I hate to be that guy but it wasn’t that she lived with the curse it’s that it wasn’t really the form that was a curse just the transformation.
@gadflyfiction
Жыл бұрын
Deconstruction is like taking apart a grandfather clock piece by piece in order to understand how it all works. Then you can put it all back together and change a piece here or there for a different outcome, (changing the speed of the minutes or hours hand). Most deconstruction attempts are more like taking a sledgehammer to that grandfather clock
@franciscobrisolladeoliveir9596
Жыл бұрын
And there's the reconstruction: Putting the pieces back together in a way that optimises the clock from the knowledge you got from deconstructing it.
@InvertedWIng
Жыл бұрын
...Precisely because you hate the grandfather clock and want to show everyone what a piece of worthless junk it is and that there are better clocks they should be buying instead. And anyone who liked the antique you just destroyed is aghast and angry at what you've done to it is a misogynist or something.
@nicholashodges201
Жыл бұрын
Or the writer pulled a Ryan Johnson and made a two hour film that not only proves they don't belong in that genre, but end up tanking a franchise that's ALWAYS made money. Then once they realize everyone is pissed at them, they *claim* "deconstruction". I'm really surprised he left that kind out of the video
@Kris-wo4pj
Жыл бұрын
@@nicholashodges201 so like the movie musical director that very obviously cant stand musicals and hates making these types of movies but keeps doing it cuz its the only work he ever gets anymore.
@boreddiva2037
Жыл бұрын
...and then screaming that the clock is hopeless and sad
@anerrorhasoccurred8727
Жыл бұрын
Things that “realistic” Medieval/Renaissance fiction doesn’t focus on: religious holidays, the weird and funny beauty treatments, the cool inventions (like the printing press), bright colours, an actual nuanced look at the conflicts between monarchs and the church, old timey games, how people would learn 3-4 languages just to read books, the fact most peasants _weren’t_ constantly starving to death. What it _does_ focus on: WEIRDLY detailed violence against women.
@johnathonhaney8291
Жыл бұрын
My fave example of Medieval fiction is The Lion In Winter, dealing with the thorny relationships of Henry II of England and his family, especially his scheming Eleanor of Aquitaine.
@smadcore
Жыл бұрын
Not realistic, but you might enjoy the 'Discworld' books. They cover pretty much everything you mentioned (including the printing press).
@anerrorhasoccurred8727
Жыл бұрын
@@smadcore omg yes, I love Discworld.
@egrumblybus7792
Жыл бұрын
They never show the goofy ass Legosoldier drip :(
@LendriMujina
Жыл бұрын
For real, if life in medieval times was actually as insufferable as fiction makes it out to be, I don't think we would have even _tried_ bouncing back after the Black Plague. Clearly the survivors who eventually rebuilt society felt like they had _something_ to fight for.
@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache
Жыл бұрын
Always start off with deconstruction if you're constructing a universe. It's like starting a comedy act with an inside joke. Works every time.
@unicorntomboy9736
Жыл бұрын
I am currently writing an urban fantasy inspired by Twilight and Teen Wolf. I need advice on how to do it right
@unicorntomboy9736
Жыл бұрын
@@deadlockraven1849 Isn't it supposed to be ironic and sarcasm
@MattEldritchHorror
Жыл бұрын
Could you please state some examples?
@sebsandwich1162
Жыл бұрын
@@unicorntomboy9736 Find a writers group
@1Rez_EZ1
Жыл бұрын
The king has returned
@ShadowDogProduction
Жыл бұрын
The real deconstruction was the authors we made cry along the way.
@marekwygnany924
Жыл бұрын
Like Rolkien Tolkien.
@Alice-me2qk
Жыл бұрын
Didn't expect to see you your comment at the top.
@jocylinfrancis930
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, the more I think about it what counts as a deconstruction is kinda vague. For example, in the anime community, Madoka Magica is said to be a deconstruction of the magical girl genre. However, I later watched Princess Tutu and noticed that, while Madoka was darker, they weren’t really all that different, and what I’ve heard about other such shows (like Sailor Moon) suggests that they aren’t afraid to slide into darkness as well. So Madoka, while it has elements that are deconstruction-y, it’s mostly an experiment about what happens if you set Urobutcher to make a magical girl show. Which is, unsurprisingly, still a magical girl show. Though it did corrupt many such shows that came after with edginess because they missed the point, spreading senseless despair even though it originally had a mantra of hope. Like one of its witches . . . The “purest” deconstruction that I’ve seen is the manga “Sousou no Frieren,” which deconstructs the happy ending of the classic “kill the demon king” story. It starts with the baby’s first D&D party (human fighter, dwarf fighter, human cleric, & elf wizard) returning to the starter town after killing the Demon King. They are celebrated as heroes, and the elf soon leaves to wonder around to do magic elf things. Fifty years then pass in a few panels, and the humans are nearly dead via old age. And the elf, from her perspective, barely knew them at all. I could go into more details, but I don’t want to spoil it. It also “deconstructs” other aspects, but they more feel like basic consequences of how the world works. For instance, the elf gets a human apprentice. However, she knows that the apprentice, because they are a human, will never truly master magic because to be truly great requires centuries upon centuries of practice and learning. She tells her apprentice this. So, the apprentice doesn’t try for great magic but instead fully masters basic defense and offense magic.
@nenmaster5218
Жыл бұрын
@@Alice-me2qk ...Roasting Pretentious Writing, huh? If you like TWA, try Hello Future Me, Madvocate, Hbomberguy, Krimson Rogue, and Some More News!
@balabanasireti
Жыл бұрын
Boooring
@kingsleycy3450
Жыл бұрын
The thing about deconstruction- ideally only a few stories are doing that. If everyone is deconstructing a genre, that in itself becomes the new trope.
@SlapstickGenius23
Жыл бұрын
The original Shueisha run Mazinger Z manga is just too brilliant for its time, so brilliant that it is only recently released in full for both Italy and France. What made it super brilliant is that it’s both filled with cleverly used then-unbuilt tropes and a brilliant (albeit depressing) allegory of wartime periods.
@darkestccino5405
Жыл бұрын
I actually remember when I was a kid I realized that. I remember thinking "How could Batman be an anti-hero if he's one of the most popular superheroes? Shouldn't he be defining what it is to be a hero?" Not sure when exactly I had that thought, might've been more in my teen years than my childhood. Either way, it's something I realized when I was pretty young that apparently a lot of adult writers today don't realize.
@orngjce223
Жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the Madoka Magica effect
@metazoxan2
Жыл бұрын
Yeah but the trouble is once ANYONE does a deconstruction right, or at least does it wrong in a way that still results in something entertaining, then everyone else just immediately jumps on that bandwagon. LIke Madoka magica or whatever it's name was. Honestly I don't think it's a very good deconstruction of the genera and at best just merges the magical girl genera with the Monkey's paw. But like it or hate it there were then countless copycats that entirely missed why Madoka was even popular and just made bloody magical girl shit for the sake of being blood and dark.
@metazoxan2
Жыл бұрын
@@darkestccino5405 Actually you just don't understand what an anti-hero is at all. IT's not a deconstruction or anything of the sort although they are used a lot in deconstructions. An anti hero isn't someone that isn't a hero. THe anti denotes the motivations of the hero. Essentially an anti-hero does heroic things for selfish or even evil reasons. In the case of Batman the antihero comes in with the idea that he is doing all of this for revenge. Granted a lot of writers tend to forget this and largely turn Batman into a standard hero. But when people call him and anti-hero that's what they are refering to. Not that he isn't a hero but that his motivations and methods make him and anti-hero. BTW the reverse is also true. An ANti-villain is someone who is a villain that does villanous things for good reasons ... or at least they genuinely believe their reasons are good. This does not include villains simply using noble goals as a cover, they need to truely believe they are doing things for the right reasons.
@fullmetaltheorist
Жыл бұрын
Megamind is a good example of a light hearted subversion of tropes.
@GrndAdmiralThrawn
Жыл бұрын
Megamind is actually genius
@ejsmith7626
Жыл бұрын
One if the greatest comedies. Superman vs Elite is a good example of a more serious one.
@jeremiahnoar7504
Жыл бұрын
I think that's because the creators actually loved the genre they were deconstruction. So it didn't have that pretentious cynical edge. Same with Shrek.
@lukeskywalker987
Жыл бұрын
@@jeremiahnoar7504 Honestly I wouldn't say it deconstructs the superhero genre. It has influence from Superman cartoons, but those came out WAY before Superheroes formed its own identity from its roots in pulp stories like Flash Gordon or The Lone Ranger. It mainly focuses on breaking down the concept of an "Arch Nemesis" and how those villains base their entire lives around surpassing someone else. Granted that's a semi-common trope in the genre, but I'm pretty sure it's older than dirt.
@nonamepasserbya6658
Жыл бұрын
@@jeremiahnoar7504 Shrek is pure anti Disney cynicism what are you smoking bruh
@riggityrooahh7665
Жыл бұрын
“Yeah, I’ll have a gritty deconstruction of the superhero genre” “How original” “Oh, and have the universe have its own superhero equivalent of Superman, but this time he’s EVIL and KILLS PEOPLE” “Daring today, aren’t we?”
@WarmLusamine
Жыл бұрын
I take it you've seen Brightburn.
@callmemackeroni
Жыл бұрын
@@WarmLusamine Or The Boys.
@rex4229
Жыл бұрын
@@callmemackeroni The boys is good though
@boneybaron2508
Жыл бұрын
The Boys are entertaining but I don't think it's super creative as a deconstruction invincible and the watchers are better deconstruction that regards
@rex4229
Жыл бұрын
@@boneybaron2508 I guess it's a matter of taste
@ahaks7269
Жыл бұрын
Whenever "deconstruction" is said, I always think of Edna Mode from the Incredibles ranting about capes.
@rhondahoward8025
Жыл бұрын
You sly dog! You caught me monologuing!
@x-biaur1995
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, The Incredibles is one of the only superhero deconstructions that actually got it right.
@firelordeliteast6750
Жыл бұрын
@@x-biaur1995 What about One Punch Man?
@vision4860
Жыл бұрын
@@firelordeliteast6750 One Punch Man I'd say is more of a deconstruction of Shounen battle manga, with some superhero stylings. Iirc the author literally said Saitama is like an end-series shounen protagonist, but dropped in at the beginning of the series.
@poweroffriendship2.0
Жыл бұрын
"NO CAPES!"
@victorianmelodrama
Жыл бұрын
There's picking apart a trope to teach the audience a lesson, and then there's going "Haha! You're all stupid for liking this! Now tell me I'm smart!"
@danielhartrick3022
Жыл бұрын
In watching this video, I realized how easy it is for writers to compose a piece just to appear intelligent by making their work "subversive" or "edgy," rather than because they want to tell an interesting story. Never try to write to just to get praise, it hardly ever works.
@GuardDog42
Жыл бұрын
Isn't that most of this comment section? Should we draw a line between shitposting and slightly more educated shitposting
@justinbowers2749
Жыл бұрын
That’s basically every deconstruction ever
@justinambru8529
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't dumb it down like that ground dog, as there is a distinction to be made here.
@nont18411
8 күн бұрын
George RR Martin in a nutshell
@munkeyluv2011
Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the "what if Superman was evil" character deconstruction that's become so common in superhero stories that evil-superman has become a joke for some comic fans and it's actually refreshing to see the original character archetype done in earnest.
@battyrae1398
Жыл бұрын
*glares at brightburn until it combusts*
@marocat4749
Жыл бұрын
@@battyrae1398 Hey at least brightburn i having fun with it. Like honest to god cheesy horror fun. Also he is really only having comonatl elements, an didnt call it "evil superman"
@wjzav1971
Жыл бұрын
@@marocat4749 It depends on the tone, I guess. Brightburn was basically a slasher film with an evil superman. It didn't try to be deep or meaningfull, it just had fun with its premise. "Superman is Evil" stories become dull when the writer thinks they are doing some smart mindblowing meta-commentary on the nature of power or have the cynical world-view that an upstanding and nice superhero is unrealistic.
@marocat4749
Жыл бұрын
@@wjzav1971 ok technically, i guess i liked its more or less fun horror.
@paulgibbon5991
Жыл бұрын
"What if Superman was evil?" Well, you end up with a villain sue who can't be threatened and who doesn't care about anything. That should make for a fun story!
@MikhailKutzow
Жыл бұрын
The best deconstructions are made out of love for something, not hate. They can move forward and improve whatever they're deconstructing. While deconstructions made out of hate and spite only serve to stagnate and perpetuate a medium by angering its fans and making them dig in their heels - any valid points they might have had being drowned out by the way they're made. It's almost as if people like stories that are fresh and new, and don't like being told that the stuff they like sucks and they're dumb for liking it.
@johnathonhaney8291
Жыл бұрын
With this in mind, if you like superheroes, I recommend Kurt Busiek's Astro City series, recently reissued as "Metro Collections". It combines a genuine love for the genre with acknowledgement of emotional realities, not least of which is the passage of time.
@underrated1524
Жыл бұрын
"No no no, that's not it at all. I mock it because I love it. D-definitely."
@battlion507
Жыл бұрын
And the main """"""""""""""protagonist"""""""""""""" will probably "4 wall break" berate you for liking it... And then will proceed to molest you... Yikes indeed.
@johnathonhaney8291
Жыл бұрын
@@battlion507 The ending of Mark Millar's Wanted, yes? The movie was MUCH better.
@valhatan3907
Жыл бұрын
It remind me of *The Boys* comic. The comic is filled with darkness and edgy-ness as deconstruction of superhero genre, but just it. The author himself HATE superheroes, so his comic is just a rant about how much he hate that, along wing some needless cynicism and unnecessary gore for the sake of gore. Meanwhile, the show adaptation taking the "deconstruction" aspect, but give it love and passion for the very genre its trying to deconstruct: superhero.
@LendriMujina
Жыл бұрын
There's taking something apart like a surgeon, and then there's taking something apart like a werewolf.
@brunop.8745
Жыл бұрын
Precision is the difference between a butcher and a surgeon, or so I've heard
@InquisitorThomas
Жыл бұрын
But what if the Surgeon is a Werewolf?
@underrated1524
Жыл бұрын
@@InquisitorThomas At that point I'm 99% sure you're just playing Town of Salem
@corryjamieson3909
Жыл бұрын
@@underrated1524 but if it works flawlessly, the it works.
@DonVigaDeFierro
Жыл бұрын
And there's not taking anything apart and covering it in blood and shit.
@samwill7259
Жыл бұрын
As a lifelong superhero fan I am very glad that he's pointed out that of all genres superhero stories seem to be more deconstruction than classic at this point We get it! You think having Superman be evil makes you look smart can I read a story about the characters I like fighting a psychic space starfish PLEASE
@stevie8271
Жыл бұрын
i dont consider myself a superhero fan at all. but now that u said it, i DO want to see characters i like beating up a psychic space starfish. sounds badass
@Mourtzouphlos240
Жыл бұрын
Superman is cursed with shitty writers. A lot of them think that a good guy being good is some kind of a scam or just something no one would be interested in. Forget that he has been an extremely iconic character for almost a full century.
@Cancoillotteman
Жыл бұрын
@@Mourtzouphlos240 I will say that because of his unlimited powers Superman is boring. That doesn't mean making him bad will make it less boring.
@dbsommers1
Жыл бұрын
@@Mourtzouphlos240 When you're not a decent human being and never want to become one, you destroy those that are so you won't feel morally inferior.
@johnathonhaney8291
Жыл бұрын
@@Mourtzouphlos240 The anthology Superman Red And Blue speak to this point. It puts together some damn good stories of Superman from several angles and NONE of them are boring. I mean, sweet Jesus, when you can get Tom King to write one of those, you're onto something.
@KnightSlasher
Жыл бұрын
Just use flex tape to fix the deconstructions, it fixes everything so you don't have to break apart your sentences each time
@bunkerzero
Жыл бұрын
That's a lot of damage
@xitrum1902
Жыл бұрын
Is that any different from reconstruction?
@ahniandfriends123
Жыл бұрын
To show the power of flex tape: I sawed this story in half!
@mariustan9275
Жыл бұрын
I built this entire story out of FLEX TAPE!
@poweroffriendship2.0
Жыл бұрын
I SAWED THE SENTENCE IN HALF!
@FreakazoidRobots
Жыл бұрын
"All of the hacks and critics will look up and shout 'save us!' and I'll look down and whisper 'you need a love triangle in your story!" OK, I laughed.
@orrorsaness5942
Жыл бұрын
The Pensuke Files: I don’t have a live triangle For now!
@HannoversSoap
Жыл бұрын
"Have them use White Phosphorus and call it a day" I expected a reference to Spec Ops the Line at some point, but that was an unforeseen point blank shot
@michaellewis1545
Жыл бұрын
As this point writing something unironically is a deconstruction of the all the decorations out there and a much more enjoyable story.
@starmaker75
Жыл бұрын
I mean at this point, writing something sincerely, even if it really crony and used to be cliché a while back is more well received then mediocre deconstructions and “ironic writing”
@lukethekuya
Жыл бұрын
@@starmaker75 True!
@loturzelrestaurant
Жыл бұрын
@@starmaker75 This video is totally Part 2 to Jay Excis Roast of Chris Chibnal: 'The Fall of Doctor Who'.
@GrndAdmiralThrawn
Жыл бұрын
I think this is why the new Dune movie felt refreshing. Even though Dune is the foundation of all this sci-fi, “good house v bad house” stuff, it’s been messed with/deconstructed so many times it felt good just having some clear cut white hat/black hat.
@victorcobane6644
Жыл бұрын
I agree completely. I've gotten very tired of all the winking at the audience and in jokes in so much of contemporary media. Earnestness isn't a bad thing, people!
@purplehaze2358
Жыл бұрын
An interesting note: I don't think it's a coincidence that bad "deconstructive stories" are often written both with an incredibly cynical tone and a vague air of pretention as though the writer putting it forward truly believes that making their story unpleasant and dark for its own sake makes them intelligent. There's a loose correlation between intelligence and unhappiness, so it's likely that those who make bad deconstructions are under the impression that actively seeking out unhappiness will make them more intelligent - or, at least appear that way anyway.
@icecreamhero2375
Жыл бұрын
Moral edginess does not automatically= deconstruction. Deconstruction is it would be cool if this was done differently. Like what if children hid in monsters closets and scared them. Monsters inc did that a little bit with thinking kids were toxic.
@ashadeofblue6815
Жыл бұрын
Funnily enough optimism also has a correlation with intelligence so even in trying to appear smart they failed
@johnathonhaney8291
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that theory of intelligence equals misery is bullshit. What it really means is that the guy putting it forth is a miserable asshole who meets Harlan Ellison's definition of a Jesus person: "sufficiently disillusioned with the world without the strength to make it better." No wonder they want to drown the actual good guys...the latter is proof that they're full of it.
@carlrood4457
Жыл бұрын
I think like with parody (which can be a form of deconstruction, as well), you need people who actually love the original to do it right.
@DonVigaDeFierro
Жыл бұрын
@@icecreamhero2375 Yes. Some of the implications of a deconstruction are going to be dark, but not necessarily, because "Deconstruction" and "dark" are not interchangeable.
@zachariahmerry2396
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, the "dungeon crawling is dangerous and barely profitable" thing just sounds like old school d&d / OSR. They're straight up built like survival horror games which put resource and time management, as well as pushing your luck against threats you're not prepared for as core elements.
@BlueGrimgrin
Жыл бұрын
It's worth checking out a manga called Dungeon Meshi; it deals with a party of adventurers who go on a dungeon crawl and are forced by circumstances to eat monsters rather than carrying provisions. Simmilar vibe. As a result it gets into the ecosystem of the dungeon, the economics of it, the reason dungeons exist, and the politics of dungeon formation and the various races response to the same, and basically goes from "Hey, neat silly dungeon cooking manga" to this massive pileup of histories, motivations, and characters in a clash that may end the world, without the change ever really being jarring or even noticeable.
@cmleibenguth
Жыл бұрын
See Tomb of Horrors Not only the dungeon difficulty and mechanics Check the story for why the dungeon even exists and the Demilich who built it (and what function it serves other than just evil wizard stronghold)
@firenze6478
Жыл бұрын
It sounds like the literal plot of an anime called Dungeon of the black company. Which is actually a deconstruction of the genre in comedic fashion.
@SobiTheRobot
Жыл бұрын
Wasn't the idea surrounding dungeon crawling that these dungeons were filled with treasure, thus making them profitable to whoever survived them? Money was the entire motivation, next to glory and fame. You weren't heroes-you were mercenaries, thieves, treasure hunters. It was still a grueling ordeal, but the treasure-and especially the magic items!-was everything.
@064razor
Жыл бұрын
Zach, that's literally the core gameplay loop of Darkest Dungeon
@mandos6145
Жыл бұрын
I find deconstruction is usually best applied when done accidentally, sort of "I am making a story about a chosen one who hates being that" "So a deconstruction of the chosen one trope?" "I guess? I don't care what deconstruction is tho this is just the story I wanna tell"
@johnathonhaney8291
Жыл бұрын
Best example of the Chosen One deconstruction: Michael Moorcock's first Eternal Champion novel.
@pn2294
Жыл бұрын
The Last Airbender and American Dragon could fall into this category as it shows the problems of entrusting someone that young with the fate of the world
@danielhartrick3022
Жыл бұрын
@@pn2294 I agree, I never thought Aang was a deconstruction of the chosen one, in part because being the Avatar is about being chosen (it basically comes down to dumb luck based on when someone is born, if I remember correctly). But deconstruction or not, having Aang struggle to bear the weight of the world on his shoulders is part of what made A:TLA so great.
@danielhartrick3022
Жыл бұрын
In essence, what you are saying is "its best to try to tell a story you think will be interesting, rather than try to write a story that will make other praise me."
@lukethekuya
Жыл бұрын
Yes.
@mwndjddjdhdbbf8408
Жыл бұрын
The comic of _"The Boys"_ is, to me, the definition of writing a "deconstruction" that's overly dark just for the sake of being dark. Also, the author really seems to only have created it out of pure and unadulterated spite and resentment towards the medium as a whole. Fortunately, the series is way better and I love it
@Krumplebumble
Жыл бұрын
I'd argue that the show is just as trashy. For some reason, the writing goes downhill when it comes to good characters and lighthearted/warm development, but when it comes to bad characters, it's golden.
@Kris-wo4pj
Жыл бұрын
thats why most people prefers watchmen to the boys. its just the boys is shiny and new unlike watchmen.
@johnathonhaney8291
Жыл бұрын
The Boys is just vile in either incarnation to my mind. And yeah, if you look at the author's previous work, you already knew he really, REALLY hates superheroes. Got a theory that it's an outgrowth of his atheism, which sees superheroes as a secular replacement for the religions that they oppose. But it's just MY theory.
@Cancoillotteman
Жыл бұрын
@@Kris-wo4pj TBH the boys enjoys Karl Urban's acting, who 's really solo carrying the show
@gliscorpropagandaaccount1764
Жыл бұрын
I just like Worm webserial
@MinunRobotnik4
Жыл бұрын
"The entire kingdom is always collapsing and is only held up by the author's need for it to keep standing." Perfect summary of Rome.
@mariustan9275
Жыл бұрын
Well they had a few good points with some emperors
@loturzelrestaurant
Жыл бұрын
!!
@hariman7727
Жыл бұрын
And westeros.
@S3rp3nte
Жыл бұрын
The Imperium of Mankind.
@spiritualbeetle3904
Жыл бұрын
@@jimmybean420 this is my new headcanon
@planetbob6703
Жыл бұрын
I simply *love* deconstruction! Especially when the writer does it to the work they inherited from the previous writer! They don’t need to worry about it being disrespectful and should only worry about getting some "gotcha" moments (no matter how contrived!) The "fans" should just shut up. So what if they’ve read more of the source material than I bothered to? That book was like 500 pages long! They better watch themselves because I’m not above losing sight of *my* own story just to subvert and contradict their expectations to get the satisfaction of making them look stupid!
@lordsinister707
Жыл бұрын
Ah The Life and Times of JJ Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy. You should pick up the sequel how someone can destroy the Witcher
@jans.g6033
Жыл бұрын
Ah yes, Rings of Power. The "story" that made Sauron the sympathetic one.
@TARINunit9
Жыл бұрын
@@lordsinister707 OK of all the things to hate about the Star Wars sequels, they weren't made out of spite like that. I really don't get your complaint. JJ Abrams was being LAZY, not spiteful, and Kathleen Kennedy was actually trying to pander to the audience. Even Luke Skywalker retiring to a desert island was giving fans what Kennedy thought they wanted: a King Arthur homage
@louisduarte8763
Жыл бұрын
Happens a lot in comic books. Is this a dig at the Game of Thrones showrunners after they ran out of Martin-written books and made up their own ending?
@lordsinister707
Жыл бұрын
@TARINunit9 if Kathleen Kennedy actually cared about what the fans wanted. Then, she never would have made Rey Palpatine because and I quote women can't connect with Luke Skywalker. They basically did want every "empowered woman" story does by making every other character looks stupid in order for her to look good. That was not an homage to Luke. The spite from both of them came when everyone called them out on the bad decisions. In response to this all they said was it's going to be like this because I said so
@IronicCliche
Жыл бұрын
This one really reminds me of the one deconstruction of horror where not only does everyone live, but they resolve their mental hang ups.
@SlapstickGenius23
Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I think they have earned their own happy endings after all.
@DigitalRRS
Жыл бұрын
May I ask what story? I would love to check it out.
@sentinel-zx7mj
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, that sounds better than the deconstructions that are being made today.
@schwarzerritter5724
Жыл бұрын
Nightmare Before Christmas?
@IronicCliche
Жыл бұрын
@@DigitalRRS i just spoiled the two biggest twists in the series. If you still want to know: - - - - -- -- The Lost Village
@rhondahoward8025
Жыл бұрын
"Is the reason the empire loses to the inferior rebel forces because the emperor kills all of his generals for failure resulting in critical brain drain?" That reminds me of CalebCity's skit, "Villains that always kill their subordinates".
@johnathonhaney8291
Жыл бұрын
Also reminds me of Putin's Russia right now.
@matityaloran9157
Жыл бұрын
Caleb’s sketch was hilarious
@gregorde
Жыл бұрын
That’s the ninjago movie!
@boobah5643
Жыл бұрын
Avoiding that was one of Thrawn's introductory moments. He's the Imperial bigwig, but rather than killing the less competent than might be preferred subordinate, he uses it as a teaching moment. Part of it was just that the Empire was in decline at this point, so replacements were hard to come by, but it was also more effective to polish a gem in the rough than destroy it and ensure it was of no use at all.
@johnathonhaney8291
Жыл бұрын
@@boobah5643 We owe Timothy Zahn a debt of thanks for Thrawn, do we not?
@pearz1007
Жыл бұрын
I see that whoever wrote the boys original comic took this video to heart
@valhatan3907
Жыл бұрын
Lol, the first thing came up in my mind was also that comic
@Leyrann
Жыл бұрын
Also Worm.
@firenze6478
Жыл бұрын
He also practically called out rings of power by name with the “I just hate tolkien” part.
@GrndAdmiralThrawn
Жыл бұрын
@@valhatan3907 bro same
@eway44
Жыл бұрын
What's The Boys?
@DashsChannel
Жыл бұрын
This video absolutely NAILED the 'deconstructive' mindset that until now I thought I was crazy because I hated it. I guess other people hate it and are sick of it as much as I am. "I do not like a thing, I think that thing is stupid and I am smarter than people who like it because I hate it, I will show the internet how much I hate the thing that they like by injecting my own sarcastically-bleak caricature of reality onto the unrealistic parts of it to make everyone who likes that thing uncomfortable, because if I upset them it is good because it means they are part of the problem and the world needs more people like me to stand up for all the smart people being oppressed by people liking what we do not like."
@Dookieman1975
Жыл бұрын
People tend to confuse deconstruction or realism with grim dark, many just making it edgy and cringy
@LordDawnWreaver
Жыл бұрын
Real life is not just sadness and everything sucks and that is why I think the Grimdark "Realism" trend is stupid because real life is not Grimdark but for some reason the common author today doesn't seem to know what "Real life" is.
@scottmantooth8785
Жыл бұрын
*crendgy*
@edgardox.feliciano3127
Жыл бұрын
@@LordDawnWreaver their life suck, so they assume that life sucks in general
@LordDawnWreaver
Жыл бұрын
@@edgardox.feliciano3127 Never a more true statement.
@edgardox.feliciano3127
Жыл бұрын
@@LordDawnWreaver and to be fair, life kinda sucks for almost everyone. The people that are happy, truly happy, are those that don't let their lot in life affect them much, and make the best of it.
@carlrood4457
Жыл бұрын
Galaxy Quest managed to deconstruct everything about Star Trek, including cast tensions and the fandom, and then reconstructed the whole thing.
@GrndAdmiralThrawn
Жыл бұрын
Galaxy Quest is amazing
@mountainghoti1671
Жыл бұрын
And they did it in almost the funniest ways possible.
@scottmantooth8785
Жыл бұрын
*and did so brilliantly*
@KeroTheInvincible
Жыл бұрын
When you point out every flaw, every inconsistency, and every annoying cliche because you LOVE the series, and are able to show how those flaws can exist alongside the GOOD things, as part of something you really enjoy. Acknowledge the downright hokey alongside the truly admirable, reaffirming why you were drawn into the source material in the first place, and why you stuck around this whole time.
@corryjamieson3909
Жыл бұрын
@@KeroTheInvincibleA part of me would love to water this garden, the other part would burn it down.
@darienb1127
Жыл бұрын
GOD, this explains why i'm sick of edgy and dark stories so much. I grew up in the early 2000s, where edgy media was edgy for the sake of being edgy. Then it evolved to being the same thing, but just thinking it's smarter than it is. I don't mind a bit of edge and the ridiculousness that comes with it, but I honestly enjoy stories that are more optimistic than one that are dark due to just how oversaturated it all is.
@ElvenRaptor
Жыл бұрын
The sheer number of gritty reboots from that period didn't help, either. YES, BECAUSE I ALWAYS WANTED A GRIMDARK BOMBERMAN! That's what my life was missing!
@nonamepasserbya6658
Жыл бұрын
@@ElvenRaptor Act Zero is a fucking masterpiece for all the wrong reason
@JustinSh.
Жыл бұрын
Post 9-11, eh?
@Y2KNW
Жыл бұрын
That crack about no empathy and everyone being evil all the time is a spot on description of Reddit.
@arte0021
Жыл бұрын
I dont use Reddit much but from what ive seen of it, the people there dont seem that bad. Idk what youre talking about
@JuanLeon-oe6xe
Жыл бұрын
@@arte0021 Me neither, banned subs and all, but more of a specific fandom thing.
@myriad9597
Жыл бұрын
Depends on where one lurks, though it is more common than not.
@globurim
Жыл бұрын
@@arte0021 I use reddit a lot and so far, the subreddits that I have come to are very chill people. Its just that the toxic subreddits stick out like a sore thumb since they are more vocal than the others.
@arte0021
Жыл бұрын
@@globurim which subreddits are toxic?
@samaelament
Жыл бұрын
Soon as you started to emphasize being dark I had a huge flashback to Watchmen and The Boys and remembered my initial reaction to each being, "Wow, so this is in a world that has no redeeming qualities. Great."
@mr.manguy3692
Жыл бұрын
The Boys show or comic?
@madlie2452
Жыл бұрын
@@mr.manguy3692 honestly both. But I’d def say the comics have a more potent quality of depravity.
@NoName......
Жыл бұрын
You're talking about The Boys comic right?
@CorwinTheOneAndOnly
Жыл бұрын
@@mr.manguy3692 The characters in the show are MUCH more well-written than that of the comic, but it still suffers from "good people don't exist" nihilism that plagues modern writing.
@mr.manguy3692
Жыл бұрын
@@CorwinTheOneAndOnly not really. Annie, Hughie, MM, Kimiko and Frenchie are all good people even if they have fucked up in the past.
@tinyetoile5503
Жыл бұрын
And remember, always make sure to call any story you enjoy a deconstruction because of its one gimmick, regardless of whether or not it's actually a deconstructing anything! Because liking deconstructions makes you smarter, you see, and always starting off any media recommendations with "it's a deconstruction of-" is totally not watering down the term in any way, shape or form!
@loturzelrestaurant
Жыл бұрын
...This video is totally Part 2 to Jay Excis Roast of Chris Chibnal: 'The Fall of Doctor Who'.
@stoogemuffinstuffin8569
Жыл бұрын
Evangelion fans in a nutshell 🙄
@gunslingergirl2579
Жыл бұрын
@@stoogemuffinstuffin8569 It's not a deconstruction of anything, but I like it. It's too bad the last movie will never release.
@stoogemuffinstuffin8569
Жыл бұрын
@@gunslingergirl2579 I agree and love the series too. It's just that a lot of Eva fans that I've encountered are saying the same thing Tiny Etoile was poking fun at.
@kimifw58
Жыл бұрын
When my friends were clamoring over The Boys, the only reason they gave was that it was a deconstruction of the superhero genre as if we didn't already get like thirty of those over the decade. Even if it is a good deconstruction, do we _need_ one at this point? Do we really?
@92JazzQueen
Жыл бұрын
You know what deconstruction of Superman's aspect they haven't made yet is the fact that he's a country boy who went to the big city where values would clash. I wonder why no one focuses on the fact he has to adjust to a place that looks down on people raised in that setting as being seen as backwards and closed minded. Those aspects could influence his superheroing which could make people be turned off from values that he has from back home. Heck, the villain could use that aspect to make himself look more relatable in comparison with the seemingly bumpkin hero but in the end he still fights because those old fashioned values have a reason to be there.
@UXMetalVTuber
Жыл бұрын
Just browse TV tropes for 40 minutes and then glue everything together and use a generic mc placeholder for the story. Totally works
@unicorntomboy9736
Жыл бұрын
I use that site all the time
@whynot6266
Жыл бұрын
@@unicorntomboy9736 Same 😭
@ValThracian
Жыл бұрын
Didn't know you could browse TV tropes for JUST 40 minutes.
@CryoJnik
Жыл бұрын
@ValThracian maybe after years of knowing about its existence. When you first find out about it prepare to not come out til the sun is up.
@smdavis6604
Жыл бұрын
@@unicorntomboy9736 I usually stay away from that site because I know damn well I'll be on it for hours.
@jalarasstudios414
Жыл бұрын
Something I really appreciated for Madoka Magica (1st season) is that it is rather dark and deconstructs elements of the Magical Girl Genre (speaking as someone who didn't watch much Magical Girl entertainment but likes to peruse TV Tropes). And yet, for all the hardship and trauma it puts its characters through, for all the deconstruction of fighting for justice, misguided selflessness and the sacrifices true heroism takes, in the end, it becomes a powerful affirmation and defense of the values it was supposedly deconstructing. It's greatness lies in the fact that it didn't leave things on a bleak nihilistic ending. It goes full force at the problems it pointed out, but then reconstructs things and finds a way forward. The story does not ultimately drown in despair, but hope wins through. The ending is bittersweet, but I think, on the whole, far more sweet than bitter. It is a deconstruction, but then a reconstruction, and all the better for it. Which is probably why I have such mixed, tending towards negative, feelings for the sequels.
@gonzalotorres5282
Жыл бұрын
If ain't broken, don't fix it.
@beeaggro2593
Жыл бұрын
Madoka works because of the hope ending. Rebellion needs the second movie to come out to make sense
@jalarasstudios414
Жыл бұрын
@@beeaggro2593 Yup. Though my confidence that whoever's writing will actually deliver a hopeful ending is somewhat thin at this point in time.
@twentystars6116
Жыл бұрын
Exactly! That’s also exactly why the edgy grimdark Madoka clones don’t work as deconstructions
@Sorain1
Жыл бұрын
@@beeaggro2593 That's why it shouldn't have been released without finishing the 'third act' for which the series was act 1 FIRST. Instead we may never get that proper ending because of how much act 2's ending hurt people.
@Henry258654
Жыл бұрын
When JP said "grimdark" I was expecting him to use the "Batman voice"
@unicorntomboy9736
Жыл бұрын
He could have just used Last of Us 2 characters
@emberfist8347
Жыл бұрын
I didn’t. Batman has deconstructed that cliche all damn time. While most people remember the Knightfall storyline as the one where Batman’s back is broken, that is only part one of the story. The real story was meant to briefly put. Bruce out of commission so a new character could he Batman and show why Batman being “hardcore” like the Punisher doesn’t work before having Bruce take back the cowl from his darker replacement. In short it was deconstructing the type of anti-heroes I’m the 90s that made Batman look like a boy scout with how grim dark they were. And it worked for quite a few reasons. One of the big ones is that the new replacement Azazel was a character the audience could ultimately sympathize with and his turn to a grim dark hero wasn’t because he was an bad guy but a perfect storm of bad circumstances that drove him over the edge.
@Henry258654
Жыл бұрын
@@emberfist8347 Uh... I'm talking about TWA's video on Grimdark stories
@emberfist8347
Жыл бұрын
@@Henry258654 Like I said Batman isn’t grimdark.
@Henry258654
Жыл бұрын
@@emberfist8347 Tell that to JP then.
@darkestccino5405
Жыл бұрын
9:12 I find the text on-screen right here to be one of the most interesting parts of the video. Because when you really look around, truly stereotypical stories very rarely exist and every story changes things up from the norm in some way. For example, online you can find people complaining about there being lots of "quirky earthbound-like indie RPGs that are actually about depression". But when you try to find examples of those games, you realize there really aren't that many. There is Omori, Lisa: The Painful, the obscure Re:Kinder and... that's it. But since there are so many indie games based on Earthbound (like Undertale) and so many indie games about mental health (like Celeste) those two things mix together in people's heads to make people think there are more games which are both than there actually are. In fact, when you DO end up finding a truly and genuinely stereotypical piece of media, I find it can often be a pretty enjoyable experience. It not having a twist becomes a twist in and of itself, and it allows you to enjoy a pure story that is what it wants to be without a hint of cynicism.
@funninoriginal6054
Жыл бұрын
Hell, if you want to be pedantic Lisa: The Painful is more about trauma in general than just depression, which only leaves Omori and this Re:Kinder
@girkenschniza9691
Жыл бұрын
Dont forget Yiik. I sure can't.
@darkestccino5405
Жыл бұрын
@@girkenschniza9691 I don't think Rory is a big enough part of the game to say that it is a game about depression.
@anerrorhasoccurred8727
Жыл бұрын
Even when the game’s premise IS basically just “the dev needs therapy”, they never look like Earthbound RPG’s?? Most of them are 3D Unity games. People are just lumping all the games they dislike into one, single group and then complaining about a situation they imagined.
@cara-seyun
Жыл бұрын
The Princess Bride is one of the best played straight movies I’ve seen
@chrisschirripa5917
Жыл бұрын
Oh hey it’s Garth Ennis favorite type of writing. Except unlike Alan Moore who actually understands the work of superhero comics to deconstruct, Ennis does it for shock value. Same could be for Mark Millar
@shinigamijack4208
Жыл бұрын
The weird thing about ennis, is that he's a really good writer when you don't ask him to write superhero media.
@starmaker75
Жыл бұрын
What funny to me it seems like Alan Moore’s works feels like deconstruction of his intimaters.
@johnathonhaney8291
Жыл бұрын
@@starmaker75 Especially these days...his last decent work was Lost Girls, which was mostly lesbian porn with famous literary characters. Neonomicon from him is to be avoided at all costs.
@louisduarte8763
Жыл бұрын
And yet Millar has a knighthood, and his fellow Scottish comic book writer/sworn archenemy Grant Morrison doesn't. How the FOOK did that happen?!
@TupocalypseShakur
Жыл бұрын
@@shinigamijack4208 Crossed makes unsure of that, Preacher i agree
@happynihilist2573
Жыл бұрын
It funny that Puss in Bots the Last Wish came out after this when it's so good at deconstructing it's main character only to reconstruct it even better
@tramasrarasoddplots
Жыл бұрын
To be fair, nothing leaves your ego sore like Tolkien, his drawings were beautiful, his calligraphy was gorgeous, his writing was gifted and based on his vast knowledge of European Mythology and his personal experience as a WW I veteran. He also spoke several languages and invented several others top that...🤣🤣
@92JazzQueen
Жыл бұрын
Seriously, and his work when you read is much more complex and subversive than people give it for in contrast with the imitators that base on his work.
@DashsChannel
Жыл бұрын
@@92JazzQueen "Evil cannot create, it can only corrupt and destroy Good." That quote has aged extremely well in this context
@eeg-rh7jv
11 ай бұрын
@@DashsChannelthis quote is wrong lmao. Military weapons are advanced as hell
@electrowave114
9 ай бұрын
@@eeg-rh7jv Military weapons don't create - they are created, but they cannot create anything, only destroy things. Also, arguably a tool in and of itself - and weapons are tools - is only good or evil in the hands of its wielder, and is nothing at all on its own.
@nont18411
3 ай бұрын
That’s why GRRM hates him. That’s why ASOIAF was created to subvert Tolkien’s work.
@rhondahoward8025
Жыл бұрын
"Even if a writer doesn't care about the label, then there's always another reason to engage in deconstructing a part of the story. Petty spite!" *COUGH*The Boys*COUGH*
@613aristocrat
Жыл бұрын
I was hearing House of Dragons.
@katzchen3888
Жыл бұрын
@@613aristocrat House of the Dragon is based on a book written by George R. R. Martin and supervised by the man as well. So you are basically accusing the creator of deconstructing his own work out of petty spite for... his own work 😂😂😂
@yankieowl7663
Жыл бұрын
@@613aristocrat I heard the Montly Crew with my vampire hearing.
@glowstickofdestiny1290
Жыл бұрын
He that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom. - Tolkien, via Gandalf, Lord of the Rings.
@DonVigaDeFierro
Жыл бұрын
Particle physicists crashing protons onto one another at relativistic speeds to see what they are made of: 🗿
@mushu_beardie2556
Жыл бұрын
Cell biologists and geneticists breaking genes to see what they do: 😥
@isidroramos1073
Жыл бұрын
I love The Lord of the Rings and all things Tolkien, but when I read those words for the first time I stopped reading, shocked, and wondered if I really wanted to go where Tolkien was leading, because it was a frontal assault against science: against Newton and his prism breaking light, against doctors dissecting corpses, against botanists cutting down trees to count their rings, against geologists opening geodes... everything.
@LendriMujina
Жыл бұрын
@@isidroramos1073 Yeah... the social context in which it was written makes sense, what with the horrors of tech in both World Wars, things like the abhorrent experiments done by self-proclaimed "scientists" in Germany and Japan just for the hell of it, the start of the Atomic Age... but that passage sure aged worse than... um... something that... ages badly.
@Tevildo
Жыл бұрын
I have to say that you're constructing (geddit?) an excellent redemption arc for the Dark Lord. He started by _taking_ power, and losing it - now he has to _earn_ power, and learn how to rule, rather than merely control others. Keep up the good work!
@finaldusk1821
Жыл бұрын
Knowing JP, he'll probably make it look like the Dark Lord is going to complete this awesome character arc and perhaps emerge as a 'new character' (for want of a better term)... He'll build the character up gradually, and then, right at the pivotal moment of truth--! The Dark Lord with backslide hard at that most crucial point, without warning or reason, just to arbitrarily retain the status quo!
@misterzygarde6431
Жыл бұрын
Given that the original Boys comic was more of a hit piece against superheroes than a deconstruction, I did have this idea for a Deconstruction of it where villains from DC, Marvel, and other Superhero media from TMNT, Powerpuff Girls, Ben 10, The Venture Bros, Danny Phantom, My Hero Academia, Darkwing Duck, etc. find themselves in The Boys universe and pretty much destroy the Superheroes and military who haven’t dealt with actual supervillains nor are equipped to deal with them for the most part. Basically showing why superheroes are in needed in their worlds.
@wdcain1
Жыл бұрын
Good idea. I've toyed with a story where Superman lands in _The Boys_ world and makes it a point to get rid of Vougt and the more wild "heroes" with government support. Clark's journalistic skills have damaged Lexcorp and Vought's board of directors don't have a fraction of his intelligence.
@saucevc8353
Жыл бұрын
@@wdcain1 I think there was already a fanfiction around that premise? forgot the name though, saw it on TV tropes once.
@rhondahoward8025
Жыл бұрын
I basically did that with my crossover of Ed Edd 'n Eddy and the Powerpuff Girls. Ed's "overactive imagination" has turned him into a monster (The Day the Ed Stood Still), and Eddy thinks it will be funny if the Powerpuff Girls have to deal with him. But what he fails to take into account is how the girls _really_ don't fuck around when it comes to that sort of thing. They _kill_ monsters. They _maim_ monsters. So once the punches start flying, the comedy goes out of it.
@rhondahoward8025
Жыл бұрын
Something similar happens when Captain Melonhead, Johnny's childish superhero alter ego, has to deal with the Rowdyruff Boys, a real trio of supervillains. Let's just say he basically craps his pants.
@valhatan3907
Жыл бұрын
The mention of Powerpuff Girls and The Boys comic is something I didn't expect, but gave me an idea
@adamnagar7386
Жыл бұрын
New dark lord outfit? He's gonna look so good sitting on his throne for the first 2 acts.
@DTHRocket
Жыл бұрын
"No, I'll deconstruct the evil empire cliche by having a couple guys in the evil empire be okay dudes." Sounds like Disney Star Wars
@GrndAdmiralThrawn
Жыл бұрын
Imo, the best deconstruction of the evil empire cliche is to have elements of the Empire that are actually competent, but not necessarily less evil or at least antagonistic. A commander that accepts responsibility for failures rather than simply kill his subordinates. Someone who learns and adapts to the enemy’s tactics when they are defeated. Knowing when to retreat and regroup instead of fighting a losing battle. In other words, Grand Admiral Thrawn.
@LordDawnWreaver
Жыл бұрын
What the hell you mean? If anything they making the empire more evil.
@emberfist8347
Жыл бұрын
@@GrndAdmiralThrawn Not just Thrawn but also Admiral Yularen and Palleon. The franchise had officers like these who were a nuanced take on Imperials and how you can have their occasional good guys by remembering that the Galactic Empire was less than a generation old and at least some of the top officers would be officers who were top-ranking members of the Republic military and were still serving when it became the Empire and accepted the regime change as continuation of the Republic they fought for during the Clone Wars. There is even a name for these type of characters Generationals and they tend to be treated sympathetically.
@Smugly33810
Жыл бұрын
Finn could have been interesting but he shows no empathy to storm troopers when killing then
@excusezmoi9823
Жыл бұрын
@@Smugly33810 For all my problems with the sequels, Finn I think was one of my favorite ideas. Exploring the character of a defecting storm-trooper and how he'd deal fighting against his former comrades sounds really interesting. Instead he ends up being just there, being a waste of a good idea smh.
@ethan_jackline
Жыл бұрын
Funny thing about making deconstructions dark and edgy, the best deconstruction stories literally take that edge and darkness and DECONSTRUCT THAT TOO Berserk is the best example, literally the edgiest possible antihero protagonist that could've ever existed has every possible reason to be dark and brooding thrown at him, he EARNED the right to be edgy because everything in his life has gone to literal hell in the most realistic and believable ways, and most importantly, shows how someone can grow from that edgy starting point and become happy (or at least have a reason to live besides "dying hurts") again despite the grimdark of that world.
@GrndAdmiralThrawn
Жыл бұрын
I find that the best deconstruction using a dark and edgy world is to have the protagonist become a hero DESPITE their circumstances. Demonstrating people can rise up even when the world is bleak is a much better story than just having them “realistically” give in to the darkness around them
@maxthepaladin2147
Жыл бұрын
What I love about Guts is that if you were to describe him to someone, he would come off as little more than some edgy teen's DnD character; while in the actual manga he's actually much, much better
@chrisschirripa5917
Жыл бұрын
@@GrndAdmiralThrawn that’s kinda what happens in my story.
@Yohan99999
Жыл бұрын
Berserk technically isn't even grimdark at that
@anusaukko6792
Жыл бұрын
@@Yohan99999 Berserk is literally one of the most horrible fictional worlds I've ever seen.
@asum2832
Жыл бұрын
I just want to say that the slow development of the Sponsorship Wars has been one of the best parts of JP's videos along with the rest of it
@Superkid33
Жыл бұрын
Totally agree XD
@draxiss1577
Жыл бұрын
The moment you said that about the Hobbit I realized you were right. Holy Guacamole, Batman. Edit: I do think LotR is a much more aggressive deconstruction of adventure stories, but it's also not meant for children so there's that.
@louisduarte8763
Жыл бұрын
I thought Lot R and The Hobbit set the standard for fantasy adventure stories. At least in RPG's like D&D.
@draxiss1577
Жыл бұрын
@@louisduarte8763 So . . . the cycle continues?
@Kris-wo4pj
Жыл бұрын
@@louisduarte8763 the hobbit and LotR is a fairytale or modern day folktale/myth. they were made cuz the author loved history and myths and the hobbit was made as a way of entertaining his kids on long car rides and bed time. the DnD creators were such big fans of both but esp LotR that they made the entire game based off of it to the point they got sued and had to change a bunch of things. All RPGs use the DnD system as a basis. so yes by today's definition because of how influencal both the hobbit and LotR is on the things that came after it it has become the standard/basis for modern day fantasy adventure stories but they werent always like that.
@clwho4652
Жыл бұрын
The Hobit and LOTR seem like deconstructions but are actually pillars of the genre. They only seem like/have become deconstructions because less skilled writers copied the surface level elements of the stories not the deep complex aspects of the story.
@Tevildo
Жыл бұрын
@@clwho4652 I might disagree - or, rather, I'd say they established the modern form of the genre by deconstructing the traditional form. The traditional form is "Farmboy leaves home, becomes The Hero, kills the dragon, and marries the princess." Tolkien's form is "Farmboy leaves home, remains a farmboy, barely avoids being killed along with the dragon, and returns home to his old life." The closing words of LOTR are up there with "Call me Ishmael" in the canon of terminal utterances - "Well, I'm back".
@danielhartrick3022
Жыл бұрын
I find that late 20th/21st century fiction often relies on deconstruction because audiences have huge libraries of stories that use tropes, cliches, archetypes, genre conventions etc. traditionally. As we are exposed to so many more stories than our ancestors thanks to new mediums such as television and streaming services providing us with so many more stories in a short amount of time (I can take as long to watch one season of a netflix series as it does to read one book, for example). As humans learn to recognize patterns, we begin to notice cliches with certain genres/fiction as a whole. So writers often try to break the pattern via deconstruction in an attempt to do something new. The results vary wildly, ranging from thought-provoking literature that turns a common element of fiction inside-out, to half-hearted attempts that feel more like shallow parodies than true deconstruction.
@legrandliseurtri7495
Жыл бұрын
Watching an entire season of something on netflix in the time it takes you to read a book? I can't tell if you're watching series with very small seasons or if your reading speed isn't very quick.
@danielhartrick3022
Жыл бұрын
@@legrandliseurtri7495 Okay, bad example. Maybe not a whole season of show, Maybe just a film or something. But I still think that we are being exposed to far more stories in less time than we were 50 years ago.
@legrandliseurtri7495
Жыл бұрын
@@danielhartrick3022 Well that's probably true just because every kind of media has become a lot more accessible and cheap.
@PEDROGARCIA-qj3gr
Жыл бұрын
kinda yes and no, people have far more acess to stories than 2000 years ago, but also this stories were never so original... kinda when people talk of deconstruction is only a not so common way to tell a story they have already heard, in another words people is pretentious and think their taste is superior for using a buzzword to describe it...
@emblemblade9245
Жыл бұрын
Hold up, that’s a really interesting point
@sander7989
Жыл бұрын
Ironically, I find many of the best classic stories are themselves deconstructions with a positive side or else an unashamedly fun story that is aware of the underlying darkness, but doesn't try to depress you over it so much as point it out and make you think. It's the copycats that don't get this and lead to the deconstruction pointed at the classic. A great example of this mix I recently encountered is *The Legend of Galactic Heroes*, a tale about a massive space war where most everything is realistic in the sense of mediocre or shortsighted. The democratic government is often corrupt and concerned with internal political infighting more than good strategy or policy due to its great past success, and the rival empire is being destroyed from within by the only competent people around because all the entrenched nobles have been rendered completely incompetent by unearned luxury. The closest thing to a good guy in the story is constantly musing on how he is effectively a mass-murderer prolonging a war, and the story is constantly zooming in on the enemy admiral with his loving family, the random cadet who just wants food and shelter, the civilian living on the space station getting attacked, the millions who died because of one leader's pride and lack of imagination. And yet it's not depressingly dark, but quite exciting.
@frankwest5388
Жыл бұрын
Most classics are miss understood as not deep because we are used to seeing them as standard and not the exception Take one of the oldest surviving stories we still have, the Trojan War. People think it’s some wank-fest about OP OC characters killing each other, but once you actually read the Iliad you realize that it is a sad war story, where even the best of us die and the once that leave, only do so after doing unspeakably horrible things and they never really come home in the first place
@tereziamarkova2822
Жыл бұрын
The point about deconstructions leaning especially hard on the "it's just like history!" excuse hit especially well for me. Like, it's one thing for A Song Of Ice And Fire, which combines a civil war of nigh-unprecedented scale with the leadup to the apocalypse (basically the crisis of the 14th century, but harder because fantasy) to be extremely dark. The rest of that universe, tho...
@YEY0806
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think the big reason for that "it's bad therefore historically accurate" comes from the fact most casual history learners are only taught or learned about history's "set pieces" which were usually things like war, plagues and social movements. Creating an image that the past was just bad, yet when you have more than a novice understanding of history that includes the "little things" between history, "set pieces" you start to realise that life in the past wasn't always grim and that people actually had periods of happiness and meaningful contributions to their society and that there were ALUTRUSTIC people.
@eeg-rh7jv
Жыл бұрын
I genuinely hate justifying rape with "it's historically accurate". Either go for some level of realism or do your research and go in all out on the historical accuracy
@rustledentity5511
Жыл бұрын
I think what irritates me the most about deconstruction is that it feels mean spirited most of the time. It's fine to have a deeper analysis of a story, plot, character archetypes, etc. and it can be meaningful, but I don't feel most deconstructions actually go that route. It feels more often than not that a deconstruction is "I am explaining how this concept works, but only so I can prove how the concept is bad." I know it's a cliche response to art criticism to say "Do you think you can do better?" but I feel that applies to deconstruction. I feel like deconstruction fails so often because the writer is critiquing what doesn't work about a story, but refuses to give an answer as to how it hypothetically could work. That's why I like the term reconstruction better. That a reconstruction is the ultimate goal of a deconstruction, that we analyze how a story works, both the pros and cons of the story elements, and then we put the pieces back together and explain why this trope is actually effective. Or we alter the elements a bit so it CAN be effective. The other reason I hate deconstructions is a lot of the analysis situations tend to be shallow observations. Like Evangelion has a trope of it's immoral and screwed up to put teenagers/kids inside giant mecha suits. Duh. That's not a deep or meaningful observation. Gundam made that observation years ago, even in its earliest stories. Amuro is criticized constantly for being too young to fight, and they complain that his emotions cloud his judgement. One of the early Gundam stories literally has a man commit suicide out of despair, after finding out the Gundam pilot was a kid. He loses hope in humanity after seeing that the war has forced kids to fight. Evangelion is not pointing out anything meaningful by "deconstructing" the kid in a mecha trope -- it had already been done before.
@Alex_YJ_Reed
Жыл бұрын
I've always believed Deconstruction is only half the job. You're not really done until you've put it back together better than you found it.
@fennwenn3317
Жыл бұрын
"Fun doesn't exist in real life" made me ugly-laugh.
@supremegodemperorpalpatine4872
Жыл бұрын
Destroying things is easily. Creating and repairing things requires skill, patience, and care.
@theosophicalwatermelons8181
Жыл бұрын
I love Drakengard because it embodies every single attribute of a *bad* deconstruction, while still being constructed in an intelligent, artistically worthwhile way which is familiar with what it is deconstructing. To paraphrase Yoko Taro, it's a story where "nobody's correct, and everyone's insane", the level of complete violence and darkness in it creating a constant sense of confusion and panic as you play Drakengard, which is what Taro at the time was experiencing.
@LendriMujina
Жыл бұрын
I once heard someone define the fine line between "edgy" and "maturely dark" as being whether the elements of the darkness has a narrative/thematic purpose, or are just there for the sake of being there.
@theosophicalwatermelons8181
Жыл бұрын
@@LendriMujina Yeah that's a good way of putting it.
@naomistarlight6178
Жыл бұрын
What's great about humanity is how the deconstruction of revenge as a good protagonist's motivation is the main theme of Punisher, and yet the cops and other people missing that think it's about uncritically glorifying revenge at all costs.
@92JazzQueen
Жыл бұрын
I like the idea of deconstructing the idea of a grimdark setting by adding a light hearted character who manages to change things through positivity. He would be like a Looney Tunes like character who would be doing wacky shenanigans and teams up with a Guts stand in. He's basically Puck but if he was the main character instead of Guts and he's here to kick the butts of everyone who is maki this world a crappy place. Or better yet have it be a grim dark portal fantasy where there's a prophecy about a magical girl being summoned to end all things. The girl would be chosen from our world and using the positive tropes of the genre slowly morphs the world into a better one and defeats the darkness. Again I think light heartedness can be used to deconstruct darkness by showing it as not as inherently better but a corrupting force.
@wjzav1971
Жыл бұрын
As I understand, "The Hitchhikers Guide thought the Galaxy" is basically that. A grand, nihilistic, uncaring universe run by incompetent or malevolent people but that doesn't stop the protagonists from having fun.
@maxthepaladin2147
Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of that one joke that if Spider-Man and Batman swapped their rogue galleries, they would clear out their cities in no time: Spidey's villains wouldn't be ready for Batman's resources and intelligence; and Bat's villains would give up due to Peter continuously refusing to take them seriously
@wjzav1971
Жыл бұрын
@@maxthepaladin2147 Given how we have gotten a Batman - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Crossover, I hope a Spider-Man - Batman crossover is coming sometimes soon. It would be so awesome because they are so similar and yet so different
@noukan42
Жыл бұрын
Jokes aside, that is way closer than One Piece than it looks like lol. If you think about it yhe world of OP is fucking bleak as everuthing is ruled by either glorofied mob families or ghe celestial dragons, slavery is everywhere, strong people can abuse whoever they want and the few good people either are have their hands tieds or are wanted criminal as well. You don't notice it mich because it mostly focus on the more adventorous parts, but living in the OP world woukdn't be fun at all.
@92JazzQueen
Жыл бұрын
@Noukan42 I agree it's a crapssachrine type of dystopia that when you go further into it isn't as sunshine and lollipop as it first seems. It's why I also glad that oda remembers to balance that with silliness and the determination of everyone to stand up to jackasses making the world a worse place.
@jakedoesyoutube
Жыл бұрын
The Military Scifi decon "unexamples" were really good. Having a scene were a soldier kills an enemy and then looks down at his gun, seeing his hands, realizing what he has done, and just collapsing emotionally and physically, just showing what killing something does to the victim and the attacker. I know it's not the most original, but just having a "good guy" realize that even if he is doing something "for the greater good," the greater good isn't for everyone, that many will suffer even if they come out on top could make some form of a statement about war. Also, white phosphorus is terrifying. I'm not an author, or even decent at writing, take this with heaps of salt.
@yamabro2482
Жыл бұрын
The return of "Zappers". Truly peak TWA.
@imagiguard
Жыл бұрын
My definition for a deconstruction is "when you love a trope, genre, or even medium so much that you think about it a little too much and get some ideas". Or in more informal terms, the result of rotating them in your head like a blorbo.
@blixer8384
Жыл бұрын
I don’t know why but films that deconstruct Westerns are some of my favorite Westerns. Blazzing Saddles, Duck you Sucker, Unforgiven, High Noon, Once Upon a Time in the West, Heaven’s Gate, Rango.
@f145hr3831jr
Жыл бұрын
It's rarely mentioned, but Star Wars made a clever deconstruction of the Chosen One archetype with Anakin Skywalker: like the classic archetype, he is absurdly gifted in the setting's equivalent of magic, young and naive and suddenly learns that he is destined to save the world in the future, which he is totally unprepared for despite his gifts; but he lacks one important quality that leads the classic chosen one to success: humility. Anakin's status as the chosen one and innate power go to his head and the resulting arrogance makes him unteachable by his well-meaning mentors and easy to manipulate by power-hungry schemers who want to use him for their own ends, leading to his fall into evil one terrible mistake at a time. Too bad the writing was clumsy as all hell and even kind of cringey at times, ultimately undermining the narrative. Making the Jedi masters look uncaring, callous and unnecessarily cryptic in an attempt to make them look wise was only one of the many problems.
@pugdomination
Жыл бұрын
I mean, the Jedi WERE callous, cryptic, and uncaring. That was one of the reasons the Jedi Order had to be destroyed (by the Chosen One, might I add) to bring balance to the Force. When Vader defeated Sidious and redeemed himself, he destroyed the Sith (which the Chosen One was destined to do). Luke then became the ultimate vessel of the Force. He was able to show compassion and form relationships with his friends and family, but not let it rule over him. He encompasses what it truly means to be a Jedi, by taking the passions of the Sith and the righteousness of the Jedi. Then the Sequel Trilogy happened and messed all that up.
@frick_____you
Жыл бұрын
The prequels' writing problems were mostly with the dialogue. Pretty sure the Jedi weren't supposed to be absolute pure paragons of good in the prequels. They were a-ok with the (extremely ethically dubious) clone army; and dismissed Anakin's concerns when his loved ones were in danger (twice). These are all things that backfired in their faces. They call themselves peacekeepers; but allow themselves to become generals in a war. These are all things that lead to their downfall.
@jackbaxter2223
Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the Jedi order as a whole was meant to be portrayed as nearly as arrogant as Anakin. They had stagnated over the last millennia, and a lot of the games and shows made since have openly discussed the flaws of the order.
@marocat4749
Жыл бұрын
The jedi were supposed to fall, like he was supposed to "bring balance to the force" so i think the jedi as flawed and not great, were a point i think. You are right abou anikin being written terrible as character, but the jedi being not great and their hybris, were a point that worked. Even joda said it i think introspective. And th politics work if a bit ahammy and i wanted more actual tradewar talks. And obi wan.
@alexross1816
Жыл бұрын
What's especially funny is that Anakin believed the Chosen One to be a myth. He believed "I'm powerful because I'm super cool, not because of some musty old prophecy."
@kieranmahon4382
Жыл бұрын
The Hobbit being a deconstruction of adventure stories actually is a nice point.
@YatzeeWillWearAGreenHat
Жыл бұрын
3:29 The blunt hammer of symbolism, love it
@Panda_Roll
Жыл бұрын
I love the cycle of deconstruction. When I was younger I started noticing tropes and found them predictable, then started reading those "edgy" books full of pop culture references that I thought were so different... until about the millionth book that pointed at the trope, laughed, then did it anyway. Back to the classics now and appreciate the lack of "I is smrt author" in them.
@conansglasses2645
Жыл бұрын
I remember when Madoka Magical was critically acclaimed for its masterful deconstruction of the magical girl genre ... and then every single Magical Girl anime that ever came since now tries to be as overly dark as possible in an attempt to copy it ( which is funny because Madoka Magica itself wasn't inherently dark , its just a little unsettling and the actual " dark " scenes are like 3 or 4 in total )
@vladprus4019
Жыл бұрын
Madoka Magica even ended in an overall positive (if bittersweet) and idealistic way. Than Rebellion proceeded to mess things up, but that's more for the sake of "how can we continue to have story with those characters after that ending?" problem.
@ExeloMinish
Жыл бұрын
That never happened. Magical girls are still all over the place. Precure is yearly and still makes more money than Madoka ever did. The problem is that it's a genre that is almost entirely geared towards children, that airs on saturday mornings and in batches of 50+ episodes. The anime community tends to completely ignore that kind of series in favour of seasonal anime, that are for the vast majority late-night releases aimed at teens and young adults. And if a magical girl show airs in the latter category, it's probably going to have some kind of twist to it. Most of the time, either edgy or parodic.
@meh4315
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for pointing out everything that I hate about certain "deconstructions" 💞 In general, deconstructions only work if they're born out of love for whatever trope or genre it's trying to deconstruct!! If the creator hates what they're making, it'll always come across as such!!
@bizzy5439
Жыл бұрын
This might be one of my favorite videos you've done. Having studied medieval Europe extensively at university and beyond, it boils my blood to see nothing but brown clothes covered in mud and feces where everyone has the plague and nobody enjoys anything in "realistic" depictions of a medieval setting. Like, there were good people in all parts of society, just as there were bad. Medieval people were not stupid scientifically. The literacy rate was based off of Latin so far more people could read and write than are often depicted. Serfs had fun. There were benefits to the systems of government and the economies at the time. Ignoring all these things and more for the sake of faking intelligence in a story is a sad combo of ignorance and hubris.
@YEY0806
Жыл бұрын
Also, there was COLOUR in medieval times. Seriously, it's so boring seeing any medieval depiction that claims to be "realistic" while everyone's clothes, buildings, and even the sky is just grey/brown.
@inoswap
Жыл бұрын
The worst trend vis-a-vis “deconstructions” that I know of has been what’s happened to the magical girl genre. Madoka Magica was actually a pretty good narrative (despite its flaws), because while it was a bit overly edgy, it did have some art to convey and it did have a story to tell. But then it blew up in popularity, and then everyone wanted to make the next Madoka Magica, and we got shit like Magical Girl Site, which is literally just teenage/middle school girls suffering and dying with no point to it other than “isn’t this fucked up that a teenage/middle school girl is suffering?!” Magical girl stories used to be a space for women and young girls, but with this influx of “deconstructions”, the space got steadily invaded more and more by weirdo freaks who just want misery porn. It’s really gross.
@thirdplanet4471
Жыл бұрын
Its a shame the samething is happening in comics and movies. Unfortunately, not everyone can pull the trend off well and some characters can't handle deconstruction
@Pfle2005
Жыл бұрын
There’s so much pearl clutching when it comes to “dark magical girl” shows. There’s like what? 5 dark magical girl anime that came out in like 10 years? How many ‘regular’ magical girl shows are there, like 80? The magical girl genre is fine, if not the biggest it’s been since the 90’s-00’s
@CorwinTheOneAndOnly
Жыл бұрын
The invasion of weirdos who want misery porn is growing rapidly in every genre, unfortunately. Wearing all black and spikes and spending time in graveyards apparently didn't solve the problem, as the modern generation of goths express their negativity through writing instead... and they somehow got production deals out of it...
@solbadguy9025
Жыл бұрын
Good thing Pretty Cure is carrying the classic essence of the Genera. By a "Monster Of The Week" format no less.
@oboretaiwritingch.2077
Жыл бұрын
I mean anime media(mangas and light novels included) are just a kind of a mire in these "I wanna follow the trend but I have no clue what made them successful in the first place" copycats. Madoka was effective because while it was grimdark, the message was that hope will win out against the grimdark in the end. The copycats doesn't get that and all they see is "oh cute girls getting killed, that's so mature!" It's not really a "I'm deconstructing it out of spite" thing. If anything they ARE trying to deconstruct it because they were huge fans of the deconstructions so they try to follow it, only to miss the point completely. Because it kinda also go in the opposite direction, like how Re:Zero, KonoSuba and Mushoku Tenseis are themselves deconstructing the "I go to the Isekai and now I'm god, everyone's legally obligated to love me or go to hell". Yet that's the exact thing that came out of the trend they started, exactly because hack writers can't see beyond the very top surface. And now it's happening again with the "Isekai as a villainess" trope booming.
@irispounsberry7917
Жыл бұрын
For the dungeon crawl... oh so that's why there's never any banking systems in fantasies. Even Log Horizon tried taking that one on and the NPCs in charge of the item depositories were like "No." Although, there was a cool way the protagonist solved that little dilemma.
@franciscobrisolladeoliveir9596
Жыл бұрын
Or Darkest Dungeon showing how stressful and dangerous dungeon crawling is and how encountering beings beyond comprehention isn't very good for your sanity or Goblin Slayer showing how even low level creatures like goblins can still be a treat to those unprepared and why they always seem to pop up everywhere with high level adventures thinking it's not worth their time
@johnathonhaney8291
Жыл бұрын
Well, the OG dungeon crawler series Bard's Tale DID have a bank, a "Bank For The Bold" it was called. You could even deposit money in it for safekeeping. Wish someone else would do something with that concept.
@viperstriker4728
Жыл бұрын
@@johnathonhaney8291 But could you take out loans from that bank? Because I think that is what he is referring to with the Log Horizon ep.
@johnathonhaney8291
Жыл бұрын
@@viperstriker4728 And what I meant by doing something with that concept (and no, sadly, loans were something you could not do in Bard's Tale). Can you not just see a full game built around a full slew of banking services? Even if you went for the classic model of banks (which was Renaissance Italy by way of the Medicis of Florence), it's a setup for some interesting possibilities.
@dbsommers1
Жыл бұрын
The best serious deconstruction of the Justice League was done by Marvel and called the 'Squadron Supreme' 12 issue mini series from the 80's. It even manages steps toward reconstruction at the end. It's sad that it's overlooked because every step towards darkness the heroes take makes in universe sense and why they are certain they are the good guys no matter what they do.
@johnathonhaney8291
Жыл бұрын
Dude, I thought I was the only one evangelizing that story! Deserves WAY more love than it gets, right? RIP Mark Gruenwald, who had his ashes mixed with the first printing of the collected edition.
@emberfist8347
Жыл бұрын
That hits a point this forgets. It is possible to both deconstruct and reconstruct something in the same story and these are the best kinds of deconstructions. It basically says “yes these parts of the story don’t work if you look at it realistically, but these other parts of the story do work”
@mariosnz2884
Жыл бұрын
9:29 “If my story isn’t a misserable edge fest full of gratuitious nudity, pointless glorified violence and needless cynicism, then how can people take it seriously?” The Boys writers planning their script.
@cara-seyun
Жыл бұрын
The comic it was based on
@Mardanzo
Жыл бұрын
forgot to mention how superhero deconstructions made the "evil superman" archetype a genre by itself
@GrndAdmiralThrawn
Жыл бұрын
That was what immediately came to mind when he talked about the cycle of deconstruction and reconstruction. The director of the new Superman movie wants to bring back the Heroic Superman from the older stuff.
@bradendeems6845
Жыл бұрын
@@GrndAdmiralThrawn that guy is based for that reason
@garvinanders2355
Жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see a story that starts with, the evil empire has been vanquished, its rulers all destroyed/slain/whatever, and chaos overtaking its government. The Hero has skipped merrily away into quiet bliss with their love interest/best friend/whoever and disappeared. Now there's a wide stretch of lands with a large populace where no one is in charge and all the people who have built up armed forces and buried old grudges to resist the empire in a coalition are staring at each other with trained equipped armies and resources are just sitting around...
@rvmaika5815
Жыл бұрын
It’s easy to forget Final Fantasy 7 is a deconstruction of RPG tropes, some of which is the result of updating the fantasy setting to modern-ish times. -The chosen one has a massive god complex that makes his supposed destiny go right to his head -The guy with the cool and storied backstory turns out to be faking it, and the guy who really did have that backstory is currently dead in a ditch somewhere due to said past catching up with him -The evil empire was updated to be a global corporation, and in practice acts pretty much the same -The freedom fighters act more like terrorists, and are labeled as such thanks to the existence of mass media -The use of magic crystals to grant magic powers is not only weaponized by the evil corporation, but harvesting them is killing the planet
@SlumpDrunko
Жыл бұрын
That's actually really cool, I never thought about it that way before
@Inabin
Жыл бұрын
TWA is such a fascinating deconstruction of the writing advice genre
@Angela.Perkins
Жыл бұрын
Or you could just play the trope completely straight, except the characters are constantly breaking the 4th wall to tell everyone how stupid and cliché it is.
@loturzelrestaurant
Жыл бұрын
This video is totally Part 2 to Jay Excis Roast of Chris Chibnal: 'The Fall of Doctor Who'.
@DashsChannel
Жыл бұрын
That is another trope I absolutely hate that sadly seems to be infuriatingly mainstream ever since the 2000s
@thanatoast
Жыл бұрын
This episode of TWA is obviously just a deconstruction of a satire of a parody of the subversion of expectations of deconstructions.
@PenguinSage
Жыл бұрын
Good to see the Dark Lord get a new suit of armor. Even in an adpocalypse, he knows what's really important.
@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286
Жыл бұрын
A society that runs off of endless backstabbing and infant murder is totally sustainable you say sarcastically... Well, I take that as a challenge and now I'm going to write a best seller about a society that runs off of endless backstabbing and infant murder and it will be plausible and make sense.
@orngjce223
Жыл бұрын
You know, you could explain infant murder being a pillar of society by making them a species that has hundreds of young at a time but can only realistically raise a half-dozen...
@Desocupad0
10 ай бұрын
Maybe they outlaw abortion during climate change?
@kaisermaximal8123
Жыл бұрын
Now I want a grim dark deconstruction where the main character's cynical and nihilistic world view is slowly changed by learning that even when things are dark, there's still good people in a world worth fighting for.
@notproductiveproductions3504
Жыл бұрын
Can you do a terrible writing advice on tactical fight scenes
@NoName......
Жыл бұрын
JUMP CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUIIIUUUUUUUUIIUIUUUTS
@unicorntomboy9736
Жыл бұрын
Or heist stories. Fast and Furious 5 is my favorite example of one
@DonVigaDeFierro
Жыл бұрын
Rule 1: If you have a gun, always run towards the enemy for maximum accuracy.
@seanlehning1542
Жыл бұрын
What do you mean? Like the superhero fights in Worm that often involve lots of counterplay and loophole exploitation of powers?
@notproductiveproductions3504
Жыл бұрын
@@seanlehning1542in Marvel and DC movies character powers are treated the “cutscene vs gameplay” joke (Dr. Strange can make his portals sweep people away yet not in action scenes for some reason). The opposite extreme would be anime power systems that lean so far into jrpg inspiration that fights boil down to Rock Paper Scissors logic. Also most anime fights can’t give a good reason why the protagonist solved the antagonist’s power mystery (either the villain gives away their secret weakness or the hero just inexplicably deduces it from little to no information)
@edwardreed67
Жыл бұрын
I feel like one piece of media that really really works in terms of deconstructing it’s own genre is Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. It’s a Sci-fi book obviously, but what it does so well is that it doesn’t just deconstruct Sci-Fi tropes, but also the nature of humans self-appointed importance in the Sci-fi genre and extrapolating themes of existentialism without coming across as nihilistic or blowing-its-own-trumpet with how intelligent it thinks it is. Things don't just happen because the hero''s are lucky or because of the great oppressive uncaring nature of the universe, it justifies itself and uses real scientific theory and logic in order to work its way around. People call Hitchhikers Guide a nihilistic book but I strongly disagree because the point isn't about how dark and depressing everything is and how big, unknowable and all consuming the universe is, its about how dark and depressing everything is and how big, unknowable and all consuming the universe is so why don't you stick up a deck chair have a cup of tea and watch the fireworks. Another of note I think is Discworld. Yeah, it makes fun of fantasy tropes but does so whilst also fleshing out the world-building of its own setting. The trolls aren't just subverted to be smart, but there's a day and night cycle to their intelligence because how their bodies work under heat because they're made of stone. Deconstructing something is kinda like Lego. It requires two steps: One, take it apart. And two, make something new out of it. If you're just tearing something down and adding nothing in its place, sorry, thats just lazy.
@exudeku
Жыл бұрын
8:31 *Hey! How dare you call out my modded Crusader Kings 2 AND my horse like that!*
@frankwest5388
Жыл бұрын
This is why parodies often end up the best thing in a genre. To make properly fun of something/subvert an expectation you need a strong understanding of its appeal in the first place But so many don’t understand the appeal of the thing. They are talking about.
@GrndAdmiralThrawn
Жыл бұрын
The best parodies are made from a position of love for the original work. Look at The Orville
@johnathonhaney8291
Жыл бұрын
@@GrndAdmiralThrawn Or Blazing Saddles, Young Frankenstein and Space Balls.
@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm
Жыл бұрын
Something really funny here: Guts from Berserk is a deconstruction of the Edgelord protagonist.
@KnightofChaosDeck
Жыл бұрын
Right. Guts seems badass and cool and admirable...till you keep reading and see he's a self destructive mess of a broken man who has to chill the fuck out so he can actually gain some happiness.
@XSniper74184
Жыл бұрын
My favourite deconstructions are the ones where they pull something apart and then reconstruct it. Like when a show or game or movie make something dark and gritty, but have heroes still choose to be heroes. Stuff like having evil succeed or the heroes fail but instead of accepting it and giving up they keep fighting. When a piece of media has goodness not have any reward or even be difficult but the heroes still do good just because it is the right thing to do. Making it actively difficult to do the right thing makes choosing to do it anyway mean more. Deconstruct your hero by making them unable to change the world and reconstruct them by showing why they refuse to stop trying.
@jenniferstewarts4851
Жыл бұрын
Hmm, ok, so apparently I've been "deconstructing" healing magic, in one of my stories, neat. Asking in a real world situation, what the implications of "true healer" are. The bigest question being, if you have the power to heal, should you be expected to use it all the time. Who determines if you should use it? Do others have the right to order you? The reality is, something as simple as healing magic could destabilize the entire world, if only 1 person had it, or had it at a strong enough level to cure deadly illnesses. You could see royal families, countries, fighting over said person to "save" important people. But who do you heal? do you heal those around you? do you expect people to travel to you? or do you travel? And do you take responsibility and blame for healing 1 person while someone else dies? It can be a heavy responsibility on the character.
@danielhartrick3022
Жыл бұрын
Unintentional deconstruction is often the best type. Remember, a strong narrative is the first and foremost element of a good story, stuff like being labeled a deconstruction can come later.
@danielhartrick3022
Жыл бұрын
That is brilliant.
@jenniferstewarts4851
Жыл бұрын
@@danielhartrick3022 Scene where the US President, Joint Cheifs of Staff, and a white house lawyer are in the oval office talking about the legal ramifications and constitution. And if they even have the right to make demands, and where do you draw the line. With it shifting from a legal right, to a fundamental right, while an officer ordering a subordinate is one thing, the government has no real right to order people to do tasks. That would be slavery and against basic human rights. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness should be more then just words on paper. Being the ending realization.
@GraffitiOnTheWall
Жыл бұрын
I think most authors forget that you actually need to put the story back together after deconstructing it.
@highcouncil1302
Жыл бұрын
Oh boy one of the most overused tropes in Modern Day writing hopefully this video will be a good deconstruction
@frankwest5388
Жыл бұрын
Meh the video would have been more realistic, if JP just killed the bad guy
@Pancasilaist8752
Жыл бұрын
about the evil empire, some writers add some good people serving evil empires. its main purpose is to show that not all imperial soldiers are evil. But why are there good people serving bad people? In the real world, there are many reasons someone would prefer to side with the government instead of joining the rebellion. Maybe their class, ethnicity or religion will be threatened if the rebels win against the government, Maybe they don't like the government but are forced to side with the government because They hate rebel ideology or some rebel leaders Maybe they loved some Popular government officials but were killed by the rebels because they were considered part of an evil empire And then become a soldier to take revenge . Maybe he was just drafted into the military Dan doesn't understand politics at all or what's really going on. Maybe he just wants to get a job, money, and food and in times of trouble only army jobs can provide that. Maybe they believe government propaganda that the rebels are foreign agents/puppet trying to destabilize the country. Maybe they do believe that the rebels are extremist terrorists. Perhaps they had personal loyalties with imperial army officers or imperial officials. But nope, instead of giving them a motivation to serve the evil government, How about we give them no motivation at all? Besides, always tell the readers that they actually want to reform the empire from within for the thousandth time when the imperial capital is under siege by rebels. either that or they would later defect to the rebels.
@HOLDENPOPE
Жыл бұрын
the sad thing about that ad is that it's actually the perfect starter for Greed's TWA universe. Most charity organizations probably just hog the money for themselves or give it to some corporation somewhere.
@frick_____you
Жыл бұрын
Also, greedy corporations tend to use charities for either tax writeoffs; or to get themselves good PR.
@nielsjensen4185
Жыл бұрын
A really good deconstruction of the whole superhero genre is 'Megamind,' that film is utter genius in how it subverts expectations, concepts, and tropes. And it somehow had a Nice Guy (TM) as the villain before the concept was even coined.
@emberfist8347
Жыл бұрын
The villain was more of a case of what would happen if you give superpowers to a random person and how they would likely be corrupted by it instead if becoming a hero.
@nielsjensen4185
Жыл бұрын
@@emberfist8347 That's *literally* the plot of the comic.Pretty much everyone who had superpowers was dicks because Ennbis is an edgelord that needed a justification and excuse for his OC, trenchcoat-wearing MCs to kill in brutal ways without consequences. And by in absurdum ad reductio Queen Maeve, Starlight, and A-train would also be total dicks since they too are random people who have superpowers. The show is about nature vs nurture and shows nurture is the major part of shaping who we are. Starlight is a hero because she's been raised well. Queen Maeve has been a follower all her life to hide her sexuality since if the attention is on someone else she can hide, and then via nurture, she finds her courage to resist. A-train starts out as a coward and then through many experiences he's starting to come around. Soldier Boy was shaped by the toxic masculine values of his time and is unable to ask for the help he clearly needs, and Homelander is a science project raised by machines and scientists and it shows in his many issues as he's never really had the care and nurture that Starlight had.
@Duothimir
Жыл бұрын
I'm more fascinated by the "Unbuilt Trope", that is to say, a story that comes off as a deconstruction or parody of a genre despite being one of the founding works. Mazinger Z is a good example, with how Koji nearly destroys his hometown and almost kills his little brother the first time he gets in the cockpit, and he almost dies himself due to not wearing a helmet, prompting him to don proper safety gear. The series then becomes an ongoing arms race between the heroes and villains as both sides continually come up with new weapons and tactics to counter each other. Fun stuff.
@SlapstickGenius23
Жыл бұрын
The original Shueisha Run Mazinger Z has Kōji simply drown deep in the ocean, rather than surviving in most versions. It’s both bizarre and depressing. While still not reprinted in Japan (which is probably inevitable because WSJ is a massive fly or die factory which also screws over the best of flops or even the most brilliant of hits!) currently has six volumes (all released in Italy and France) thanks to how many fans it has in both countries.
@bazza3664
Жыл бұрын
The vacillation of classic fantasy - > GRR Martin and back is a classic example of the cycle and the "make everything depresso". It's not just authors, it's publishers too. Brandon Sanderson has spoken about being unable to find publishers during his early career because everyone wanted him to do grimdark. It seems like people don't know how to not oversaturate markets to the point where writers feel the need to deconstruct said markets.
@artofthepossible7329
Жыл бұрын
Hilariously, I could probably convince someone that The Children of Hurin was a recently written book when it was published (2007), instead of having been written by a person who died several decades prior.
@Nai-qk4vp
Жыл бұрын
@@artofthepossible7329 Yeah. Really I say Tolkien gets just as darkcin his own way as Martin does in his suring several points in the Siomarillion.
@YellowpowR
Жыл бұрын
It really feels like everything at this point is either a deconstuction, or a "deconstruction." At this point it'd be shocking to have a story that actually has a pleasurably simple and also hopeful feel to it. Thank you for acknowledging my pet peeves with the whole thing.
@DashsChannel
Жыл бұрын
I think many of us are fed-up with deconstructions being forced down our throats these days.
@YellowpowR
Жыл бұрын
@@DashsChannel One could say I'm fed up with every modern storytelling being summable as, "It's a deconstruction of [x]."
@DashsChannel
Жыл бұрын
@@YellowpowR But the real question is, is it really a deconstruction anymore if the deconstruction of a trope is now the norm, instead of the trope itself? In that case it becomes incredibly ironic that playing the original trope completely straight, is the more "daring" and "edgy" direction to go in, in some cases.
@YellowpowR
Жыл бұрын
@@DashsChannel Good question. I would say it's still a deconstuction because it still is that by its very nature, deconstucting tropes. And in relation to the second part of your reply I would have to argue that I have not seem anyone playing the originals tropes completely straight. Take for example 1978's Superman. You can't have that in the modern day for two reasons I can think of: it's too simple and lighthearted. Any superhero media short of a blockbuster film has become a gritty deconstuction of "what a 'superhero' actually would be like in real life." And even with blockbuster superhero films we've seen deconstruction with those movies having such directors as Taika Waititi, whose whole thing is basically deconstuction. Even when a superhero is played straight, the movie plays it for laughs. Another example I use is the more classic Star Trek series: their more optimistic visions of the future are unapplicable to modern media it seems, and I find that very sad. We find ourselves in a period of time in society where our media reflects a complete lack of optimism, and near full despair and distrust. And that's not to say I don't like modern media, there's some amazing stuff being made now. But there's a sever lack of non-family-friendly media that has any un-asterisked positivity to it.
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