Permaculture hit me like an absolute ton of bricks this year. I've more than excited to turn my small yard into something amazing. I've planted thousands of trees with my father on our 40 acres growing up. Turning our property into a deer sanctuary. We are hunters and have always been meat self sufficient and love spending time in the woods and helping them out the best we can. I see alot of similarities in permculture and good hunting trapping and fishing practices. I can not wait to mesh the two worlds.
@edibleacres
4 жыл бұрын
Some other shrubs and trees I neglected to mention that we've found get through deer browse no problem: Autumn Olive (almost never any browse from deer, but rabbits love them in the winter) Cornelian Cherry (also shade tolerant!) Wild Apricot (the gnarly thorny type seems to not draw deer in much if at all)
@kjohn5224
4 жыл бұрын
I just had to remove more than a 1000 autumn olive off my land so be careful!
@rosehavenfarm2969
4 жыл бұрын
We've found the "outgrow the deer browse" is key for a lot of our fruit trees and shrubs.
@rosea830
4 жыл бұрын
I love this type of video! Bucks rubbing have almost killed pear and willows here. Deer ate every pawpaw fruit in reach 2 weeks ago. Apples and Mulberries get browsed to the ground when they are young, but they bounce back and the deer lose interest in the apples on the second year. I'm not sure when Mulberries become less interesting, but they bounced back very well. Haven't had any noticeable damage on the asian pear. Blueberries got destroyed and had to be replaced the first year I planted them. Now they're fenced in, up near the house where it smells like human. Blackberries don't seem appetizing to them, either. I have a groundhog living on the backside of our property, he's got great manners and never bothers anything, do you know of a shrub or small tree I could plant just for him? I here nice groundhogs that stay out of gardens are very rare...
@edibleacres
4 жыл бұрын
That is sweet you want to plant for the groundhog :) They've enjoyed our kale quite a bit, maybe a mixed greens garden for your friendly furry?
@rosea830
4 жыл бұрын
@@edibleacres I'm so sorry they've gone after your kale!
@LordChumbley
4 жыл бұрын
I live in SW OH and I’ve found that Aronia is a good plant for areas with heavy deer pressure. They chewed one once and never hit them anymore after that. Also have Juneberries that don’t seem to be appetizing to them, or maybe just been lucky till now.
@edibleacres
4 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Aronia for us gets hammered just about more than any plant! See... every population is different. Hmmm...
@jcweld
4 жыл бұрын
I also chewed an aronia once and never hit them after that :). They are so bad.
@LordChumbley
4 жыл бұрын
EdibleAcres highlights importance of observations. Deer here also never touch elderberry. Saw one take a bite once and I swear it spit it out.
@Paul2603W
7 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 I feel you. But I tried (apparently) pure aronia juice once and it was amazing!! Heard the same fron someone else, so I belief it really was pure aronia juice. Recomend to try that before giving up on aronia;) @@jcweld
@wildwit-music
2 жыл бұрын
I've found that both deer and rabbits steer well clear of Black Walnut, but boy do they love Chestnut and Mulberry!
@edibleacres
2 жыл бұрын
Found the same thing to be true in our landscape.
@DrZazzoo
4 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate this video. I live an hour or so east of you. I expect anything I don't protect to get browsed. I had to put hoops around our american plum, 2 years in a row they were browsed down to the ground. Next year there may be enough old wood to take the hoops off. The problem is that it only takes that 1 night for them to eat a years worth of growth.
@edibleacres
4 жыл бұрын
It is tricky for sure. The less other food they have available the more they'll need what you have to offer...
@felixvonnotzing6095
Жыл бұрын
Dear Sean, thank you for one of the very best permaculture/foodforest-channels ever. After all those years, you're one of the biggest inspirations, if not even the starting point... On our little, chaotic FF/Agroforestry-Homestead We specialise on Nuttrees. I've heard (and so far seen) that deers (and also voles) are not interested in Juglandaceaes, at least not in the subgenus Juglans. (One Nut-Nursery-Guy once told me voles can get crazy on the Carya part of this beautiful & highly undervalued family...) Probably due to the all too demonised Juglone? I remember to have read something like this in a German (conventional) forestry article once. (I think, out of a survivalist/deep eco perspective, We should be f****** thankful for the Walnuts defense mechanisms: High quality, storable Fats & Proteins falling from the sky! With best timber on top. On sandy soils like ours the effect does fade out/wash away anyway... And, as you show in your videos, it's not like there are all too few species happy underneath these big boys.) - Anyway. I'd love to hear your opinion about this, & I think it would be helpful for the community and me. Especially since J. do not only have economic value as old cropping trees... Pricey as Babies too! Bless you and your wife eternally, may Gaia & God be with you. All the love & the biggest respect!
@edibleacres
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for these notes and points, much appreciated. We were surprised to see tons of vole damage on some Japanese walnuts recently, but it was in deep grasses with nothing else around, so who knows... Voles are tough when they are desperate!
@felixvonnotzing6095
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your quick and generous reply. Oh, that's tough news. J.a.(v.c.) are some of the most anticipated trees of ours... We'll plant some more aliums around and tell our farmcats about them! But, forgive me, to readjust my question, wich was meant to be more about deers: What about J. & Deer pressure? Any experience? Greetings & thanks again.
@missnannie3168
4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video on what shrubs, trees to add to our landscape. Being elderly, planting is the one thing I can do to leave for my children & grandchildren to benefit from. When we moved to this 8 acres in 2008 we saw evidence of deer everywhere even on the developed areas. This year we have ventured onto the undeveloped 3+ acres but are not sure what exactly we are looking at. So now to observe.....especially what we have identified as elderberry, blackberries, black walnuts, oaks & persimmons. We are taking pictures so we can figure out what we are dealing with.
@lisatwitchell403
4 жыл бұрын
Deer don't seem to eat the leaves of peach trees. However, just about four or five days before the peaches are ready to be picked the deer will come in and clean every peach they can reach off the tree and leave the peach pits scattered everywhere under the tree.
@edibleacres
4 жыл бұрын
Fun! Always something, right!?
@gerarddickson8099
2 жыл бұрын
I don't ever get any elderberries. The flowers are a particular delicacy to my deer. Roses also. The invasive rambling roses they don't touch. They only seem to appreciate the fancy ones, especially the plump buds. And tomato plants. Who knew. The only things they never bother are rhubarb and oniony things.
@cookingsherry8784
4 жыл бұрын
Day lilies and asters also eaten by the local deer. So far all our hard work has benefited only the local deer population. Guess we'll have to solve that problem by putting the deer on the menu!
@edibleacres
4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely one way to work on the problem...
@elsmitro
4 жыл бұрын
I've spent a couple days this year transplanting black walnut saplings, deer weren't bothering them in old location but now they won't leave them alone. These trees are still growing, I hope they keep it up. Deer have left some of them alone but keep picking at others. Also, what I call my "state road lilies. Deer ate the crap out of them but are leaving them alone now and the are doing fine. Also have several diff herbs the deer usually leave alone, Pumpkins as well. They've pretty much destroyed all my asian lilies. I knew I needed to harvest deer last year and didn't. I do intend to collect my limit this year, to make it easier on me and the rest of the deer population, by not having as much competition for food throughout winter.
@edibleacres
4 жыл бұрын
The most significant yield from your landscape could very well be the venison! I have seen similar pictures of one crop being completely uninteresting to them at one point and then being hammered another time. Pretty confusing!
@wolfebilt
4 жыл бұрын
I whole heartedly agree with currant. We have some red and black varieties and nothing has any interest in them. We are in mid-Michigan. Bush blueberries also do very well here, only issue being some birds. We have had to protect paw paws from deer browse, at least while ours are young, or else the deer would clean all foliage off a single tree. They LOVE the apple trees, of course, any young foliage disappears quickly if not protected. We also have american hazels planted, no issues with them here. Great video, stay hydrated!
@chrisoriel4823
4 жыл бұрын
I remember an experiment you were running using miscanthus canes to deter deer. Did that end up working?
@edibleacres
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for asking. Mixed results. I think where I used quite a bit of them, like 10+ AND let it get weedy and feral around the tree, it seems to be working pretty darn well. 5-6 canes and nicely weeded around the tree... ZAP!
@francislaper1777
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video 😊 Still interested in hardwood cuttings add to that bucket list, Pawpaw and Persimmon. We'll talk when I return north during the third week of March...
@fallenangelwi25
4 жыл бұрын
The blackberry bushes and honeysuckles on our property do well here in Illinois not sure how old they are but they're big. We just found a very old mullberry tree the other day were extremely excited!!!!
@hugelpook
4 жыл бұрын
Your place is a plant shangrila. If I was a plant i would want to head to it, like the Animals of Farthingwood do, to White Dear Park.
@sharonhoffer3599
2 ай бұрын
I always put a ring of wire around any bushes or trees I plant, because of deer pressure. They’ll nibble anything when it gets dry here in Australia. They absolutely love Australian Red Cedar, and will strip the bark back and ring bark the tree and kill it. I also recently started a food forest and just put an electric fence around it, just to be sure …
@edibleacres
2 ай бұрын
If the pressure is high enough it needs to be protected for sure
@CovilleR
4 жыл бұрын
Autumn olive - hazelnut sounds like a robust guild!
@edibleacres
4 жыл бұрын
Autumn Olive + whoever is a robust guild. :)
@Rapto01R
4 жыл бұрын
Hello! In Hungary (6b/7a zone) the josta and the fig are good, and the berries as You said.
@noah786
4 жыл бұрын
It looks like there is a good opportunity to harvest deer from your land.
@SmallSeeds
4 жыл бұрын
Autumn Olive almost seems untouched by the deer around here. Or maybe we just don't notice because there is so much Autumn Olive! The blackberries and wineberries seem to be deer resilient as well. The first year we planted trees we went with a few paw paws and elder trees thinking they would be "deer resistant" as labeled. The deer were relentless with the young trees so we put up fencing.
@edibleacres
4 жыл бұрын
Different populations, different diets! We've observed Autumn Olive to be nearly deer proof year round, and not interesting to rabbits unless it's a cold moment in winter, when they go for young shoots they can reach.
@johnstonj92
4 жыл бұрын
I know this sounds crazy but soo far white mullberry seems untouched in my area. Ithunk its because i planted them and its not a tree we see this far north in zone 4b ontario as a matter of fact the deer have no clue that its food. Same as my butternut trees and black walnuts. Apples you can forget about them. I grew out several apples from seed from the free seeds i revieved from cornel from the research on khazakstan apples only a few had made it thanks to the cages i had made. Deer literally ripped the entire seedling out i even planted them in a big field of tansy and goldenrod. Thought that the aromatic tall flowers would deter deer but they ended up bedding there and sniffing out all my apples. But as far as deer resilient goes id say honeylocust,black locust, walnuts, hazels haskaps bush cherrys and mullberry seem to do ok this year. Im sure stone pines gooseberry raspberry blackberry and seabuckthorn are fine if not completely untouched.
@lisahoche4017
4 жыл бұрын
Because of abuse in my past, and my heart for others suffering from abuse, I have a hard time putting anything inside a confinement. It's a struggle. But I am working on it. Some things need confinement for protection. I LOVE your approach, Shawn.
@debbiewood7718
4 жыл бұрын
Lisa, I pray that you will fully heal from your abuse. It is interesting to think of the fence as protection and not confinement.
@renaissancewomanfarm9175
4 жыл бұрын
We live in an area where we are surrounded by deer hunters. they buy land and put out feeders and then show up for two weeks out of the year to hunt. As a result we have so many deer! I have found they will eat the new growth of about anything. Had the same experience as you with my hazelnuts. this year they are ten years old and only come up about mid thigh on me. I think if I'm lucky I will get three nuts! Woohoo! Buck rub is a serious problem of us. Over all, fencing to get them started has been the most successful. The other thing we have found and liked is a product called Milorganite. It is organic. I believe it's just incinerated Michigan sewage. But where we broadcast this, the deer stay away. It has to be reapplied on occasion, but we have been very happy with it.
@ronsmith1364
4 жыл бұрын
careful with Zn build up in those areas. Get a micronutrient test on the oldest applied places & see what Zn soil levels are at. Once Zn builds up to toxic levels it can kill anything trying to grow & only recourse is to dig it out & replace topsoil. This is an impediment for almost all manure reclamation applications on the industrial scale. The feed contains zinc & it accumulates.
@renaissancewomanfarm9175
4 жыл бұрын
@@ronsmith1364 Thanks for the heads up. We typically only apply when new plantings go in that are away from the house. Typically during early spring when the does are congregating and in the fall when the bucks are wanting to rub. We don't apply every year. If it is away from the house we also use some cut up onion pieces so the stink hides the smell of the tree.
@stonedapefarmer
4 жыл бұрын
I need these this year. The deer have learned that my dog isn't allowed to free range at night, and they'll walk within 20 feet of her with her barking her head off. ☹️
@misst1586
4 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I'm learning a lot and working through your back catalogue. going to try and go to your website and see what you might have for sale? I just started three new beds this year reclaimed from lawn in addition to my other large existing bed. I'm disabled but I'm just working real slow and accepting help from my kids whenever they can. My property is very close to a bird wildlife preserve and we have all kinds of wildlife. God Bless you both and this community. 🌻♥️
@AbundanceIowa
4 жыл бұрын
I put some wild gooseberries on the outside of my fenced garden. They definitely got browsed in the winter but a few years on now they are super bushy and thriving!
@edibleacres
4 жыл бұрын
Yep, gooseberries should have been on my list. Sometimes they are browsed but mainly they thrive.
@nickstraw1952
4 жыл бұрын
We only get the minature muntjac deer. They have never touched the few fruit trees we have, but will eat all and any over wintering veg except garlic. One shrub that they never mess with is pyrocantha, which the neighbours planted. Nothing edible for us, but as a late winter food supply for song birds it is great. With the predation from cats and avian raptors, they need all the help they can get. Despite the blackbirds being a bit destructive with fruits. And pulling up the shallots. Nice to see them and the thrushes bopping on the grass. One shrub that is very common near us for wind breaks that I wouldn't recommend is the common laurel. All parts are toxic apparently. Grows like the useless weed it is. One thing I am investigating right now is a shrub our neighbour has the other side of our fence. Everything we plant on our adjacent side stops thriving and dies. At first I thought it was our useless husbandry. Other than that it would be a prime site for our tall peas. After three years now, I am beginning to wonder.
@ronsmith1364
4 жыл бұрын
be neat to share what you learn pls & ty
@edibleacres
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking time to share your thorough observations here!
@Rytoast99
4 жыл бұрын
As I plant on starting my permaculture garden in my yard, and various food plots for hunting, I’ve planned on starting Osage oranges directly next to my trees that will get browsed. I know the thorns help. I also plan on planting bait crops direct with my main trees like pear or apple or plum that I started from seed
@johnstonj92
4 жыл бұрын
So guilging in a rose or a gooseberry or a thorny honeylocust or some cane fruits seem to add a level of protection. Arromatics to in the right context like bee balm in a meadow along side a young tree with a rose or raspberry would be a solid combo to hold deer off. You should do one on skunks and annual crops lol nothing phases those critters.
@edibleacres
4 жыл бұрын
Another topic for sure would be the aromatic support plants to help with deer, rabbit, voles, etc. Mint family, allium family, etc. So many topics to explore! We see skunks coming around here or there but so far we haven't detected problems from them. We're probably missing some details!
@johnstonj92
4 жыл бұрын
@@edibleacres on a seperate note unrelated i have plums that i stratified in the fridge and have not sprouted american plums and persimmon to any chance you may know whats up the seed was viable and sank in water then packed in moist sand and put in my fridge but the odd thing is i took them out after there prolonged cold period and they have yet to sprout nor persimmon or plum. What Am I doing Wrong ahhhhh! Any feedback would be great.
@jvp714
4 жыл бұрын
Not a shrub, but lingonberries have been growing great in my yard.
@PermacultureHomestead
4 жыл бұрын
i cant wait to harvest my pawpaw this year too, mine are obviously ahead of yours. I have one question, do you hand pollinate the pawpaw or let nature do it?
@edibleacres
4 жыл бұрын
I don't hand pollinate as there are enough trees now for them to take care of it. I think 5 or less trees at bearing age and it makes sense to put in the effort.
@chrisk1669
4 жыл бұрын
I usually end up caging almost everything. Like you said there are certain plants that don't stand a chance, like chestnut trees. I will plant out some black locust and osage orange seedlings without any protection. The locust can take it, they grow crazy fast.
@ronsmith1364
4 жыл бұрын
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@tatehewitt4220
4 жыл бұрын
Love the hat!
@traceydrost2159
4 жыл бұрын
In my area of NB , Canada , I have found the deer leave my Saskatoonberry and sour cherry bushes alone. They don't seem to like my honeyberry either.
@edibleacres
4 жыл бұрын
All different :) They hammer serviceberries here and randomly will hit the honeyberry. Nanking Cherry they don't mess with much, come to think of it :)
@trumpetingangel
Жыл бұрын
Sometimes I think I live in a deer sanctuary! My neighbor, though, grows figs in containers (that come inside for the winter) and insists that the deer almost completley ignore the fig trees. (Don't know what they're missing!)
@edibleacres
Жыл бұрын
Thats really neat to know, I wonder if that would be true in our area.
@jeffskinner1226
4 жыл бұрын
They for sure will eat Blueberry bushes, I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Serviceberries and small Black Walnut trees are immune.
@gopalmulukutla9211
4 жыл бұрын
Wonderful information!. I wonder how the fruits or berries of these plants do with exposure to deer and other animals. Are harvests not affected by animals looking to make a meal of everything? We have a huge problem with deer, groundhogs, chipmunks (Zone 6). So much so that even day lily flowers are eaten up.
@edibleacres
4 жыл бұрын
So in that level of intensity you may truly need to fence everything to have good results. We have high pressure but also wild spaces around us so the browse is really there but spread out.
@notommr
3 жыл бұрын
the bucks have a fav in the forest to rub on
@a4000t
4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the deer rub pawpaw to get the insecticide effect to keep bugs off them,assuming its in the bark?
@ronsmith1364
4 жыл бұрын
www.ehow.com/info_12280001_pawpaw-poisonous.html other sources are worth checking too, ripe fruit seems the only safe bet.
@docmdb87
4 жыл бұрын
I just planted some sunchokes this year along deer path.. as the shoots come up, they seem to be browsing on everything around BUT the sunchokes.. idk if they're just confused what it is or just not interested, but if I see any nibbles I'm putting up protection 🤷♂️
@edibleacres
4 жыл бұрын
We get heavy browse on the sunchokes at times. ALTHOUGH, this year for some reason no browse yet?!?! Only one type, which is a new variety. Ha! They must have gotten tired of our 'old' varieties :)
@haribo666adler
4 жыл бұрын
Saskatoon serviceberries, Siberian peashrubs and honey locusts seem to be not bothered by dear in my area
@poodledaddles1091
4 жыл бұрын
That was an interesting video, since you have a heavy deer population do you have a problem with ticks?
@edibleacres
4 жыл бұрын
They are definitely around...
@tolbaszy8067
4 жыл бұрын
Great video! Very clever use of inter-planting strategies! Do you have to hand pollinate your paw paws? American persimmon is native in Mid-Atlantic and south. Do you have a special variety for your climate zone? Is it native in your area?
@edibleacres
4 жыл бұрын
We have a bunch of paw paws planted now so they pollinate each other pretty well. I'd like a pile more growing! The Persimmons come from some amazing parentage that is hardy to our area and delicious! :)
@MistressOP
4 жыл бұрын
True deer need food too. Have you thought about using groves more
@techedfireman4981
4 жыл бұрын
Are you selling any Seaberry? I have been trying to get it to sprout from seed with no success. I'm in the mid hudson valley.
@FolkRockFarm
2 жыл бұрын
I know deer decimate our mulberries, I'm curious if you've ever had experience with Che fruit. Same family as mulberry, but I haven't had direct experience with Che
@edibleacres
2 жыл бұрын
We have Che growing but put a fence around them early on to protect from deer browse. So far they haven't tried to push in. They leave Osage Orange alone for the most part so who knows, I should experiment more!
@elizebethparker5412
4 жыл бұрын
Contex is important.
@dennisstevenson6360
Жыл бұрын
Any reason to not keep dogs to keep the deer out?
@edibleacres
Жыл бұрын
We don't live in this landscape full time as of now
@mariannefroholdt9783
4 жыл бұрын
If There is a lot of deer and so on,There is a lot of TIC,but if the chicken go everywhere,they eat a lot of them😁
@ronsmith1364
4 жыл бұрын
seed ticks are viable vectors & hard to spot or feel crawling on one. repellents, tuck in long sleeves & pant legs of light colored clothing & check after being in infested areas. Opossums are great tick munchers too
@wildedibles819
4 жыл бұрын
My mom has an apple tree for the deer lol they just eat the apples dont bug the tree But eats her cedar hedge
@pokeweed10k15
4 жыл бұрын
I wish their was a way I could introduce some predators into the mix out here. Deer have no fear here. They will walk through my yard in broad daylight.
@misst1586
4 жыл бұрын
Eli, We have deer but also coyotes and cougars. One time I was at at thrift shop and I found a double sided laminate life-size picture of a wolf. I bought it as a gift for someone who really likes wolves. Before I gave it to them I staked it into the ground in the front yard. I can see the deer walk to the property line and look at it and then not come in the yard. Lol
@debbiewood7718
4 жыл бұрын
Two days ago we had a deer walk by about 20 feet from our family weiner roast. I had left the gate open on the garden and she de5to have supper as well. I am hoping the cabbage will come back.
@cookingsherry8784
4 жыл бұрын
Definitely not nectarines . . . the deer have decimated mine! They thought I was so nice to plant a buffet for them. So pissed!
@paulmoss7940
4 жыл бұрын
Deer are a great low fat protein source. You are missing out. Are you guys vegan or something?
@edibleacres
4 жыл бұрын
I should have addressed that... No, we definitely eat meat, and love venison for sure... We've done a few trades lately with folks and have a lot of meat filling our freezers right now, so in the heat of the summer it is hard to prioritize hunting. Finding ways to avoid the conflict for most of the year feels like a good helpful baseline. But you can be sure when it cools off in the fall and most garden tasks are winding down I'll be switching my focus to other harvests...
@paulmoss7940
4 жыл бұрын
@@edibleacres Awesome,glad to hear it. I add lots of fish also. I have been doing this for many years,along with a garden. My whole back yard is in effect a grocery store. Stay safe friends.
@debbiewood7718
4 жыл бұрын
It is against the law to hunt so close to other houses in our province. We have many deer in our subdivision. We learn to recognize some of them in the winter.
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