If you'd like to find out more about the Suffragette Penny, Tom's written a blog post all about it: blog.britishmuseum.org/defacing-coins-like-a-suffragette/
@Dept_Of_Ducks
7 жыл бұрын
The museum coin looks like it was defaced using a set of letter punches rather than a single pointed punch like Tom used to recreate the defacement. Letter punches would have made the process quicker, and more standardized.
@k_tess
7 жыл бұрын
M Huber your right. The serifs give it away.
@hobbitilius
6 жыл бұрын
rustybuttpate The weairdness of his hammering might be due to the fact that he uses the hammer with his left hand but might be right handed. That may have been done to show the camera a better view of what he is doing.
@mattiascrowe2549
6 жыл бұрын
he says about half way through that it is letter stamps, i think he just wanted to show how it was done
@darkdiddler1439
5 жыл бұрын
False. Look at the letters close up.
@robertewalt7789
4 жыл бұрын
He has a watch on the right arm, so likely is left handed. Or the video is reversed.
@HiVisionary1125
7 жыл бұрын
As Secretary of Numismatics International, the society for world coin collectors, I'm going to refer to a series of articles on political coin counterstamps & defacements we've published over the years, by Dr Gregory Brunk. The interesting thing is that these counterstamps were made with individual letter punches, as can easily be seen by the haphazard placement of the lettering. For both political & commercial counterstamps, it was very common to make up word punches or complete motto punches, so that the resulting marks would be regular and legible.
@kekort2
4 жыл бұрын
"It's really boring." Maybe, but one man's perusing archives is another woman's defacing coins.
@Just_Sara
Жыл бұрын
That one woman had a loooooot of patience, and somewhat of a vendetta powering her. I totally get it.
@malpertuis.
5 жыл бұрын
Oh my god - this guy is so charming & loves his topic - new internet crush!
@yaimamartinez9576
6 жыл бұрын
He is so outwardly adorable!
@brad4908
3 жыл бұрын
And when he says “....oh, I don’t know, engrave the name of your cat...”, you just know that he spent ages thinking of the best impromptu alternative scenario.
@markgordon4368
5 жыл бұрын
I'm getting my punches out. 😉 The letters are indeed punched, also if you look at the letter "O" it has a chip missing so you could easily match the coins, nice story I enjoyed that 👍
@hamilton5656
3 жыл бұрын
This just came up in my recommended! I have a counter stamped “votes for women” penny from 1906 that I found in a massive bulk lot of coins years ago. Can you still bring things down to the museum to be authenticated?
@carolsurber8168
5 жыл бұрын
What if a group of women sat around a table, each with one letter, and stamped their own letter in a kind of assembly line? That would have been more productive and more fun.
@dinaatjuh
5 жыл бұрын
Exactly!!!
@aliceharvey1226
3 жыл бұрын
Fun? I don’t think so.
@johnmorley6844
Жыл бұрын
Doing one letter at a time is far more likely. This guy works for an institution that probably know nothing of efficiency though. At the risk of sounding a little old fashioned, I do wish we had never had the suffragette movement or I wish our ancestors knew how to say "no" to their women.
@cholulahotsauce6166
7 жыл бұрын
Heavier hammer; single "whack!" Thank you for an interesting video.
@ingeborg-anne
7 жыл бұрын
Oh I love this guy, he's wonderful :D
@JayTee78NIN
4 ай бұрын
It's interesting to learn real aspects of history from experts. There's so much pseudo science and conspiracy theories online nowadays it makes channels like this so much more important. So for everyone watching who loves and values the pursuit of knowledge, please support your local museums and channels like this if you can afford to do so. I suppose I should say if you are willing and able to support them. If people stand up for truth and knowledge, we will always win out in the end because we have the evidence on our side.
@malleusmaleficarum6004
4 жыл бұрын
Those letters werent carved into those coins, they were punched. I cant believe a curator of the British museum cant tell the difference between letters that were carved into an object with a "punch", and letters that were stamped into an object with a die or something of the like. Besides, I doubt they would use a punch if they were going to carve letters into metal, they would most likely use a graver, but those letters have definitely been stamped, theres no doubt about it. If you guys ever need a new curator, let me kno
@gleann_cuilinn
5 жыл бұрын
Shout out to my anarchist pals from the past! I’m definitely going to consider copying this.
@DominicClaxton
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Tom, nice video. You're getting a lot of love in these comments!
@JETWTF
3 жыл бұрын
Letter punches were used to engrave the coins. They were not engraved by hand, You can see that because the letters are not evenly spaced and lined as well as there are no chisel marks. If you take a set of letter punches and are not a skilled craftsman that's used them for 1k hours, writing the same thing on a new coin would look the same as the old coins. Hence a suffragette had a set of letter punches and defaced some coins by swapping punches between hammer blows. Don't believe me? Get a set of letter punches, any hammer, and a penny and an engravers chisel. Test the punches and if you are not convinced try the chisel. If you still believe it was the chisel then go get your eyes checked because you are blind as a bat.
@ooiamsamoo
3 жыл бұрын
Omg he's adorable. 🥰😘
@treasurer-westfieldcarclub1317
5 жыл бұрын
these coins were not defaced with an engraving tool they were done with a set of letter stamps, look at the letters with a serif on the ends of the straight line parts of a letter, eg the bottom of a vertical stroke or the ends of the horizontal bar on the tee as several other people have commented
@alfredpirotta4944
4 жыл бұрын
I have a 1970 5 pence coin, which would have been put into circulation in the year or so prior to decimalisation which happened on 14th February 1971. The coin was stamped "1 SHILLING" on its tails side, presumably by an opponent of decimalisation. I remember finding the coin in my small change at the time, possibly after paying for a bus fare. Is this item of interest or curiosity in its 50th anniversary year?
@plainnpretty
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting never knew this piece of history thanks for sharing it
@brad4908
3 жыл бұрын
It would be so refreshing to hear one of these experts abandon the ‘I’m fascinated by the story this object tell...’ and just say ‘and this ones great ‘cause it’s worth loads, and nobody’s got one’.
@beaucrawford538
5 жыл бұрын
When he said "give it a go, have fun" he reminded me so much of Austin Powers !
@peteeastaugh7910
3 жыл бұрын
They are obviously stamped using individual letter stamps not engraved !
@EmanueleSbardella
7 жыл бұрын
Dear Mr. Hockenhull, thank you for your video. In my opinion, the fact that the letter stamps used to deface the 1913-coin is supposedly the same which has been used to deface the 1903-coin too, is not a prove that the museum piece have been defaced after 1913. It I easy to imagine that a same person (also in order not to not to raise suspicions about himself) possess letter stamps and use them from time to time, possibly starting 1912 or even before. Consequently the year 1913 is not a terminus post quem. It would also be very interesting to learn more about the provenience of the coin in the museum (where/when did the British Museum bought it), and where we can find the other mentioned coins.
@dinaatjuh
5 жыл бұрын
Himself? Suuuure...
@AdinAntiqueJewellery
6 ай бұрын
Congratulations! Quite splendid and enlightening. However, might it be the case that the letters were impressed using letter stamps, as the 'O's appear to be uniformly identical?
@dinaatjuh
5 жыл бұрын
Probably not done by one person, what a strange conclusion. Probably done by a group of people.
@morganbradford6563
5 жыл бұрын
That's what I was just thinking. what a wonderful way to spend an evening, surrounded by your favorite women, all laughing and sharing stories and defacing coins in the name of the suffragettes.
@res_gestae
6 жыл бұрын
Really great video
@EmmeChatterton
7 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, what a great living history experience to try at home or in school. You guys have done wonderful work with this series, we look forward to more in the future!
@donjones4719
Жыл бұрын
He talks about doing his research and diving deep into the news papers - did he ever try the easy way and ask the numismatics society what they had on this, or network to a suffragette historian? Anyway, sitting and punching out these coins could have been done like many other ~tedious tasks women did, like mending/sewing or darning socks, etc - 2 or 3 women could do it together and discuss politics or just chat.
@suecox2308
2 жыл бұрын
So we think this was the work of one person? How many coins have been found? It reminds me of the 1990s campaign by gay men in San Francisco (and perhaps other cities, too) who ink stamped "This is Gay Money" on dollar bills. The bills were then returned to general circulation as a way of illustrating the financial strength of the gay population in the local economy.
@GraemeMarkNI
5 жыл бұрын
So what slogan did you carve on the coins? 😁
@cannett8966
5 жыл бұрын
Up the women! No smart remarks! C from the little haunted cottage in Ireland 🏡🏡🏡👻👻👻🍀🍀🎄🎄🎄
@redmenacetv
5 жыл бұрын
Violent memes and non violent memes?
@Kelly_C
3 жыл бұрын
1:16 I feel like the answer to that one is pretty self evident bub
@tomfrazier1103
3 жыл бұрын
Engraving? Alphabet punches. Ever look at something called hobo Nickels? U.S. Nickel 5 ct. coins 1913-37.
@alexcholagh8330
3 жыл бұрын
It's legal to melt coins for personal education historical and personal use its illegal to melt them for profit or spending them or other forms of fraudulent
@charliedilltarde9881
6 жыл бұрын
I think it looks stamped
@WilliamRezendeQuintal
7 жыл бұрын
Funny fact is that here in Brazil it is considered a criminal offense yet today.
@saladiniv7968
2 жыл бұрын
so is it in England technically, but nobody really cares about that law
@brumbybailey6599
4 жыл бұрын
He's so chirpy 😂
@vukbabovic9670
6 жыл бұрын
Aw Tom, you bad boy you! :)
@psammiad
5 жыл бұрын
54 Numismatic Purists disliked this video.
@kenc2257
5 жыл бұрын
I mostly collect modern silver commemoratives, but I still found myself wincing at the hammer blows...
@danielrowsey7667
2 жыл бұрын
The poor dear needs a lint brush something fierce!
@HolographicSweater
3 жыл бұрын
got a little speck of something on your sweater there pal
@anthimatter
4 жыл бұрын
I can see through time...
@samabrahams7687
Жыл бұрын
The head side is know as the obverse and the tales a reverse. I thought somone at the museum claiming to know numismatics should atleast use the right names for the things hes described 😂
@sandracasey6794
7 жыл бұрын
Good fun.:)
@tracychristenson177
4 жыл бұрын
If it was really boring work, maybe they did it in groups, kind of like quilting bees - Coin-defacing Bees! I like some of the other tips people have offered for speeding up the process and the comment someone else made about maybe leaving the coins in the street to be found by passers-by instead of trying to spend them in shops.
@vespadavidson2315
5 жыл бұрын
Is that fluff on your jumper?
@gwenelken9272
5 жыл бұрын
so many words. so few thoughts.
@Mazequax
5 жыл бұрын
He's super cute 😂
@Nilguiri
7 жыл бұрын
So that's what engraving is!
@ghostgummybears
3 ай бұрын
He's cute 🙈
@styx1137
6 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah!!
@georgie9084
6 жыл бұрын
"It's really, really boring :(...."
@gypsysnickerdoodle4354
5 жыл бұрын
You know what else has no repeats? “STOP BREXIT”
@DenisPeel
5 жыл бұрын
T
@ChefEarthenware
7 жыл бұрын
What made you think about cats when you were talking about feminists?
@asahearts1
6 жыл бұрын
ChefEarthenware Yeeeess
@edwardcox7515
5 жыл бұрын
engrave your favourite cat just fucking carve into the cat
@PortAntissues
7 жыл бұрын
There was a time when an employee of the British Museum would know the actual meaning of words like 'engraving'. I hate to see what his catalogue entries look like, and yes, to use a punch like that you need a heavier hammer.
@Anolaana
7 жыл бұрын
PortAntissues: heh, I twitched a little when he said 'defacing the head' too. And wondered where the words 'mint' and 'reverse' went as well. But I dunno, perhaps he did it to be accessible, perhaps 'modern money' is more to do with banknotes - and not numismatics. I try not to judge him too harshly.
@SparksNZeros
5 жыл бұрын
yeah this made my eye twitch too, this is technically embossment as none of the material is being removed
@susanneyuk-pingpong8705
5 жыл бұрын
What are mint and reverse? I assume the Mint is where they mint the coins and the reverse is the reverse of the coin? Or am I missing something?@@Anolaana
@bluegent7
5 жыл бұрын
Then everything started going downhill with modern British society.
@gazpitchy
5 жыл бұрын
Get back in your basement, incel moron
@4729Punisher
5 жыл бұрын
ADHD??
@nicparker3809
5 жыл бұрын
He is very annoying.
@bringemyoungpbuh4123
4 жыл бұрын
Trump 2020.
@drew123saulpaul
5 жыл бұрын
The curators are always much younger than I expect.
@Just_Sara
Жыл бұрын
Either that or we're getting older.
@Montezuma03
5 жыл бұрын
This was made with letter stamps, I hope you used those in your method research, it's much more fun to use those than to try to tap the letters by hand..
@NickEdgington
6 жыл бұрын
I think it likely that defacing the coins may not have been so much an act of vandalism, a marker used to gain admittance to a meeting or as a form of identification, possession of a defaced coin would not have been a crime, and would at least it would have the veneer of plausible deniability, but would to those in the know, signify a member who could be trusted. The may have been so for both the anarchist and the suffragette but would look from the outside as simple vandalism. As your experiment proved it was not a time-efficient method to bring about political change.
@motorcop505
5 жыл бұрын
In the UK, Canada, Australia, and the US it is certainly is a crime to deface currency. However, it doesn’t appear that it was illegal in the UK at the time that these Votes For Women coins were being defaced. UK: Defacing would involve printing or writing on them, and this law was passed in the 1929 Currency and Banknotes Act. The same applies for coins, and the 1971 Coinage Act states: "No person shall, except under the authority of a licence granted by the Treasury, melt down or break up any metal coin." US: TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE PART I - CRIMES CHAPTER 17 - COINS AND CURRENCY Sec. 331. Mutilation, diminution, and falsification of coins Whoever fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales, or lightens any of the coins coined at the mints of the United States, or any foreign coins which are by law made current or are in actual use or circulation as money within the United States; or Whoever fraudulently possesses, passes, utters, publishes, or sells, or attempts to pass, utter, publish, or sell, or brings into the United States, any such coin, knowing the same to be altered, defaced, mutilated, impaired, diminished, falsified, scaled, or lightened - Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both
@tomfrazier1103
3 жыл бұрын
In the early part of the 19th Century in the U.S. overpunched coins had political and commercial Advertising purposes. Particularly as foreign coins circulated here as legal tender until 1857.
@robertschlesinger1342
5 жыл бұрын
These sort of numismatic markings are often called countetstamps. They often were commercial advertising or political in nature. Some are rather valuable, such as those promoting Gen. Lafayette's return visit to the United States during the 1820s.
@kenc2257
5 жыл бұрын
Did you mean "counterstamps?" I didn't know they had such varied uses--I thought they were mostly to mark counterfeit or genuine coinage. How interesting. [I have a small collection of modern commemorative coins, so I never come across counterstamped coins]
@ianmelzer
6 жыл бұрын
0:06 for a moment I thought it was a ventriloquist act. Then I remembered voice-over existed.
@maartenperdeck798
3 ай бұрын
60 years ago I engraved on silver guilders the head of the Dutch queen with a swastica. I still am against the system of kings and queens.
@tygrahof9268
4 жыл бұрын
Defacing money in America is a felony. People make money by making jewelry out of money and it goes on unhindered. STILL illegal. Love the jewelry but...
@ricardoabh3242
2 жыл бұрын
You must find, maybe, the descendent of the defilers!? More research is needed
@hailyxia2477
5 жыл бұрын
The lovely little block wood sign that states "Stupid little coins." 😂
@kenc2257
5 жыл бұрын
"All the more reason to deface them, my pretty!" [said in a menacing, Wicked-Witch-of-the-West type voice]
@TheCreativeWill
Жыл бұрын
Saw the object in video. Immediately thought, I bet that's a swear jar. Googled and confirmed.
@JDeedius
3 жыл бұрын
Should never have been allowed.
@666t
2 жыл бұрын
Letter punches
@Agaettis
5 жыл бұрын
I found a masons penny
@kyleokeeffe525
5 жыл бұрын
Isn't this illegal?
@kenc2257
5 жыл бұрын
In the USA, it is illegal to deface coins with the aim to defraud. You can't take your metal letter/number stamping kit, and start marking pennies with "5 cents" and try passing them off as nickels. Nor can you take that silver/gold coin, and conveniently snip off a bit, and continue to use the precious metal coin as "money." However, you can turn coins into jewelry, or melt down coins, etc. If you stamped your personal motto on various coins, i.e., "Kyle #1", most places/people would probably not accept them, but it would be technically legal, as long as you weren't trying to defraud. [I am not a legal professional--deface your coins at your own risk]
@hurdygurdyguy1
4 жыл бұрын
@@kenc2257 I've occasionally picked up a dollar bill with an ink stamp on it "Where have I been?" Or "Where's George" or some such with a website url; go there, type in the serial # of bill and you can see how it's been circulated ... which I think is way more interesting!
@TheOldTeddy
5 жыл бұрын
No one, untrained, could engrave with a stylus the same imperfections on all 'O's...that coin, 'Professor', was defaced with individual, letter stamps. Which would take a fraction of time you took trying to do same.... You have people in Britain who know working metal. You are not one, sadly. Better luck next time. Otherwise, C-.
@kenc2257
5 жыл бұрын
He did mention "letter stamps," (what an American would call a "metal letter punch") I believe. What Dr Hockenhull demonstrated was only illustrative.
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