Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
You are most welcome
@katehodsdon6187
3 жыл бұрын
I have devoured a dozen of your videos for my MA. I am so grateful for the hundreds of hours of effort that has gone in to them! I can understand what you say because you’ve taken the effort to explain theories simply, with examples that bring the theory to life. Thank you!!!!
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, Kate
@Raphael0654
4 күн бұрын
I really appreciate the stuff in the middle about the superego vs. conscience.
@MacMacPherson
2 ай бұрын
Wonderful... i've been watching a lot of Don's videos recently, we need to preserve these masterful teachings
@urbbankilll
3 жыл бұрын
"Move closer to your conscience." Yes! A few years back I stumbled into an ego-shattering experience through heavy self-interrogation. What got me to abandon no longer needed defense mechanisms and false ideas about my own nature was making a conscious decision to embrace both the sense of morality and vulnerability that I had been trying to escape from since my adolescence. "Move closer to your conscience" is a succinct way to put it, something I've been searching for since the experience. Thanks!
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
Most welcome
@odysseyraven5930
3 жыл бұрын
Your talk on schizoid personality was very interesting and enlightening. I’m very eager to watch your second part as well.
@alessandroippoliti1523
3 жыл бұрын
Great video Dr. Carveth. The improvement in video and audio quality really makes a difference! I'd love to see a video talking about the works of Thomas Ogden someday, it would be interenting so hear about a living phsycoanalytic thinker and he would make an organic follow up from both Bions and Kleins models of the mind.
@velvetclaw2316
3 жыл бұрын
This is brilliant and impressive not least for your honesty about yourself. I especially appreciate the distinction you make between projection, projective identification and displacement.
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@-thepsychologist8928
2 жыл бұрын
thanks a lot Don , however I've read too much about defenses but today you give me a new and deeper prospective
@edwardturner2308
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mr. Carveth. As a Subsistence Abuse Counselor, this will be a tremendous aid in help my clients. I will subscribe as well.
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad to hear it will be of use to you
@jasminapilasanovic3768
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Don. This is extremely helpful all together and specifically at the second year of the study with the first control case. Thank you for making these seminars available.
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
Jasmina, who you are most welcome.
@kiracartwright9744
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this lecture, Dr. Carveth. The story about your father especially struck me. A good example of someone maintaining a balance between decisiveness or courage, individual conscience, and the ability to be vulnerable. Nothing easy about that balancing act.
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@erikakim7425
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Dr. Carveth.
@lesliemiller7917
Жыл бұрын
Such gratitude for you sharing your knowledge in a way that will last for generations. I've watched hours of your videos and have learned so much. I do wish you would directly address the sexism in theories more often, such as the use of "hysteria" in this video and acknowledging the history of these terms and bias within these theories. It doesn't take much time, just at minimum acknowledgement.
@doncarveth
Жыл бұрын
Good point
@bellakrinkle9381
5 ай бұрын
This was wonderful. I say I have been delusional most of my life. I'm eager to discover unknown pockets.
@elnazyaghoobi8426
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you professor, Such a great and complete presentation. I really appreciate your works.
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@unusualpond
6 ай бұрын
59:00 I know that I am a therapist in order to atone for my sins, but it hadn’t occurred to me that my repressed anger might leak into sadistic countertransference. That stung so I guess it’s true. Thank you Dr C.
@bellakrinkle9381
5 ай бұрын
If a mother was fortunate to have had such a loving, tender, empathic mother, herself, she would be able to care for her own child with tender, loving care. This is a reasonable conclusion. And if not?
@doncarveth
5 ай бұрын
Well personalities are shaped not only by significant others, or the environment, there are hereditary and temperamental factors. My mother might be excellent with three of her four babies, but just not be able to connect properly to the fourth. It’s complicated.
@tewtravelers9586
8 ай бұрын
The way you weave concepts together and give examples is amazing. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I’ve been looking for a lecture of this quality on defense mechanisms-it’s been a challenge to find!
@doncarveth
8 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@mehrnazification
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Dr. Carveth for all your time and effort. I hope you do pieces on "dreams" and "overcoming fear of loss" too :)
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
That’s a good idea, I will do so when I can
@mehrnazification
3 жыл бұрын
@@doncarveth Great. Take very good care
@Kathifern
3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking of Blue Velvet too!
@maraapidopoulou8512
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@ChiaraMorgan
3 жыл бұрын
Hello dr. Carveth, I am greateful and appreciative of your videos: your knowledge and experience make your speaches much intelligible, rewakening and recalling in me a lot of internal mechanisms and memories to deal with. If i could, additionally, I'd kindly ask if you could maybe elaborate more on repression of memories and how to resurface them through psychanalisis, and from the patient standpoint, on how to deal with shame and guilt that might be associated to these or other memories. Thanks again!
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
I advise you to seek a well trained professional psychotherapist to help you with this.
@timuroguz
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Don. Your videos are so valuable. Thank you! You know I got my first instructions on psychoanalysis from you in 1998. With gratitude :) Timur
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
Timur, how delightful to hear from you! Thank you very much. I hope you and your family are well. I finally remember those stairs of supervision in my office at Glendon. Very best wishes.
@ct9196
3 жыл бұрын
I loved this so much! In what work does Bion talk about maturity and the ability to bear suffering/the difficult? I would like to read much more about maturity.
@daveclarke4875
3 жыл бұрын
I love your point at 1:00:51 where you say that sublimation is a prosocial, constructive activity. I like the cross modal affiliations between humanistic perspectives and analytical ideas. Smashing revision to my rudimentary grasp on sublimation Don! Thanks. I like how you cast your net and juxtapose this with the alchemical simile of changing base metals into gold that profligate Jung gave us
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, sublimation is an important but neglected concept. Thanks
@d.nakamura9579
3 жыл бұрын
@@doncarveth could you consider covering it here in its own video sometime?
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
@@d.nakamura9579 good idea
@alona24
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the clarification of the topic. I get lots of insights from your lectures. Lots of Aaha moments! Could you please elaborate on defense mechanisms in relation to cognitive development?
@shannanon5428
3 жыл бұрын
as a person who wants to sprint out of the apartment every time something is said or done that stirs up bad feelings in me and either 1) hibernate in the woods for months or 2) walk around aimlessly and smoke one thousand cigarettes as i sip on whiskey, thank you. i listen to your videos and i try to improve. it's very hard though. strange how we can intellectually understand our reaction processes but still get the (nearly) uncontainable urge to smash through a window into another dimension when something triggers us. the other dimension isn't there. we are here and nothing is going away. thank you for your insight, intellect, and calm demeanor.
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
I hear you. Hang on to reality and hope.
@bellakrinkle9381
3 ай бұрын
You seem like someone who would enjoy psychoanalytic psychotherapy. I hope you get better.
@tobias734
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@yotamdalal613
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the great videos. A question: how would you distinguish between manic defenses and reaction formation? the latter being a more neurotic mechanism, but also contains a hint of denial of unwanted feelings.
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
There is certainly a similarities, but reaction formation means embracing the opposite. The manic defence is similar but a bit brother. It is directed less against discrete impulses .
@jiminy_cricket777
3 жыл бұрын
Don, thanks for the clarification on your view compared to Kernberg in terms of narcissism (or other syndromes) and the underlying structures (neurotic, borderline, and psychotic). I've been meaning to ask you about this since your first video on schizoid PD. In that talk, you discussed how you as a clinician try to diagnose your patient first of all in terms of their structure, and then consider their presenting syndrome second. And then it follows from this that one can show a narcissistic personality disorder but with a neurotic structure, as you suggested here. The way Kernberg talks about it (admittedly I'm saying this based only on listening to several in depth lectures by Kernberg, but I've not yet read much of his writing) it seems that each personality structure has syndromes that are associated with it in his way of thinking about this stuff. To expand on this a little, it seems that for Kernberg, the borderline, schizoid, schizotypal, narcissistic, histrionic, and antisocial personality disorders are organized at a borderline level, and the obsessive compulsive, depressive-masochistic, and hysterical personality disorders are organized at a neurotic level. I suppose this is partly because he's trying to express his ideas in relation to descriptive psychiatry. Anything to add on this issue? Am I understanding your take on this properly? Also thank you for this talk, excellent in depth discussion on an important topic. And I like the KZitem thumbnails you've been doing lately also.
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
I think your understanding of current bird is accurate. But I think I may differ from him as I think you intuit. I think I may be in contradiction, or may have misrepresented myself, or may have moved beyond earlier positions. Up to a point a value current Bergs structural diagnosis. But I really prefer the cleaning and model. It is less fixed and deterministic. Neurotics often regress at times from D into PS. Psychotics sometimes reach D. Narcissists are sometimes in DC and sometimes in PS. I think the Kern Berg model oversimplifies this. In the days before phenothiazine Drugs, staff might go into a locked ward on Monday morning and find a trail of blood leading to a schizophrenic man who has almost bled out. He had obtained a rusty spoon and castrated himself. Asked why, he reported that he was fucking his mother all night and therefore had to do this. The Oedipus complex even exists in a psychotic fashion in schizophrenia.
@jiminy_cricket777
3 жыл бұрын
@@doncarveth Well, I don't think you've misrepresented yourself, as far as I can tell from listening to your lectures and talks, you've been consistent on this point and your focus on the value of the two positions with regard to diagnosis, but it is helpful to be reminded of that in the context of what you said about neurotic structure and narcissism in this talk, so thank you. I think what you’ve suggested in your reply to my initial question is that one can show paranoid-schizoid dynamics in a predominantly depressively positioned personality, and vice versa. This recalls what you’ve said in your lectures on Klein, in reference to Segal’s concept of pseudo-neurotic defenses being used by borderline and psychotic patients (I think it was Segal, anyway, but it may have been Klein herself). And I feel as though I've read similar things from other authors (John Steiner, Thomas Ogden in his book The Primitive Edge of Experience) in my recent forays into the broader literature but I can't recall specifics at the moment. And yes, I remember that example of the psychotic patient who shows Oedipal dynamics which as it turns out, you have given previously, in your class on Kernberg. I found the section of that class, which is at this link if you or anyone else is interested: kzitem.info/news/bejne/pn6HloGZZqGKmaA This is particularly of interest because in that class you give that same example you gave here in your response to me, but you attributed it to Kernberg, and what you describe as his insistence on Oedipal dynamics in psychotic patients, in contrast to some Kleinians who apparently want to reserve Oedipal dynamics for depressive positioned or neurotically structured patients. So I think it’s me who has gotten confused, and you have followed me in that confusion, since as I’ve said already I think you’re consistent in your valuing of Klein’s PS and D for diagnosis. Perhaps my confusion finds its source in Kernberg’s inconsistency in presentation. This is basically pure speculation but I wonder if Kernberg’s conception of different syndromes belonging to the different organizations is a kind of medical psychiatry-facing presentation of his ideas, whereas in his own theorizing he’s actually closer to some Kleinians (like you, and like Segal if I understand her position on this correctly). I suggest this based on your saying he insists on Oedipal dynamics in psychotic patients. If it seems like he’s broken with Segal and with you here, perhaps the reason it looks that way is from my description of his approach that was, mistakenly, only based on how he relates his structural typology to descriptive or medical psychiatry and the DSM system. Another instance of him being a good psychoanalytic politician, perhaps? Last point (I realize this is getting long): In your lectures on Klein, you go into one way of sorting this out that I’ve found useful. That is, that one can speak of triangularity, perhaps, instead of Oedipal dynamics being present in borderline patients. So that what makes the Oedipus complex the mature, quote real Oedipus complex, unquote, in neurotics, is the presence of ambivalence towards the rival, rather than a split image of the rival. I’m not sure how this would translate to psychotics, since they have difficulty splitting, or at least in holding their splits for more than a few minutes. But still, I’ve found this to be a useful way to understand how very similar phenomena can be emotionally related to, and behaviourally expressed differently, in different people depending on their personality structure. And thanks, I always appreciate our exchanges.
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
jiminy_cricket777 oh that makes enormous sense. I think the triad in the case of the psychotic who castrates himself is not truly edible in the sense of reflecting ambivalence. But it still reflects the power of the incest taboo and the need for severe punishment for violating it. It is the triad in PS.
@jiminy_cricket777
3 жыл бұрын
@@doncarveth Yes, thanks for talking that through with me, that really clarified Kernberg's stance for me. And more broadly speaking I think this is all germaine to the topic of this video in a way which I will say something more about in a comment soon.
@richardprice9730
3 жыл бұрын
A very complex subject have listened to 1:10 and then gone back to the beginning , i think especially after staring to read Janov the entire complex of defence mechanisms you so brilliantly elucidate and try to differentiate out into subtypes may have there epi centre in this initial trauma and the primary defence is not to feel this pain , here is the real problem , that sublimation in the long run cannot work ,however like a river being damned and redirected by the ego -mind the cost energetically to the person is enormous ( neurosis) there then appears theses different forms and each person has a particular way of trying to avoid that original pain complex , involve the analyst in what Berne calls a "game" to do this , as in projective identification , but still the core of the defence is still operating as it were as the central inner problem , a terrible dilemma the patient ( an even analyst subconsciously must avoid), . I will listen to the entire video again , but am fascinated if somewhat dubious about the need to categorize in this way , but can see how each dynamic takes shape and that is manifest as x,y or z but in real life setting the mutates readily from one to another, particular as the patient sees each one not working and am unclear why it is necessary to make such acute distinctions between them is it perhaps a need again to avoid allowing at all cost this primary pain from emerging and overwhelming the person ( I would include all of us in this not just the patient , I feel like Janov it is endemic in the human race ) , the very core of the neurosis or anxiety, the energy of this disturbance then channelled into these secondary defence mechanisms . All this classification and very cerebral theorizing does seem as if it is can be endlessly fascinating and use full but also might easily become part of the countertransference need of the analyst to stay on a rather superficial level or see little insights which cannot really lead anywhere .
@jackdawcaw4514
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks again for this. You mentioning anxiety at the beginning of the video, had me wondering about your perspective, as a analyst, on the more body-oriented treatment modalities, ideas concerning right-brain-to-right-brain implicit communication and (co-)regulation, the polyvagal theory of Porges, the idea that 'the body' can be, due to trauma, in a perpetual fight or flight mode that doesn't need to be (and maybe ideally isn't?) analyzed so much as re-regulated; i.e. maybe breathing- and concentration techniques are actually very important there to sort of come back to baseline? How do you see this in relation to analysis? When I say trauma, I'm not just thinking about later life trauma, but also childhood trauma, which can cause these (paranoid-schizoid) immediate anxiety responses even when people know they are unwarranted...
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
I don’t claim to know much about all that but I know that recognizing that my heart is beating and my blood is circulating and I’m not doing it is comforting and calming. It reminds me that I have what Winnicott called “going-on-being.” If traumatized people want to try EMDR or meditation I’m fine with that.
@cerde4392
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for this lecture, Dr. Carveth. I'm a psychology student from Italy and I was wondering: can the definitions and explanations made about denial from 1:26:00 through 1:31:03 be considered as shared by Melanie Klein? Or are those just general definitions, that can be applied to the concept of denial?
@richardprice9730
3 жыл бұрын
Bothe or all my most power full pyschotheray , analytic sessions were with attractive or "power full" and attractive women .
@Xhayl
3 жыл бұрын
This video was very much appreciated. Thank you for taking the time to record and offer this content for free. I am particually interested in Reaction Formation, namely in relation to exaggerated emotion (i.e hypomania). Can you suggest any recommended reading around this topic? Thank you
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
You should research “the manic defense.” Any dictionary of Klein an thought, Like Hindhelwood
@Xhayl
3 жыл бұрын
@@doncarveth thank you so much! reading it right now
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
@@Xhayl Good, let me know what you think.
@Blodcola
18 күн бұрын
Thanks for a very helpful lecture/podcast. I really enjoyed it. I'm currently looking at some research by Perry and Giuseppe, and they dont mention externalisation in their overview. I didnt hear you mention that either. As a clinical psychologist working a lot with personality disorders, this is surprising to me. Isnt externalisation, or "blaming others" a central defence? All the best, James from Norway
@doncarveth
18 күн бұрын
We would have to carefully distinguish externalization from projection
@daveclarke4875
3 жыл бұрын
Hello Don, I’ve been viewing abs absorbing the contents of your videos over the past three years. I’ve bought a stack load of books from what you’ve referenced and have tremendously influenced. I work with victims of crime and the model of case work I’m expected to use is on goal setting, encouraging clients to focus on positivity and move forward rather than being stuck. I have a few problems with the model being expected from my managers and have talked to them about how I encounter resistances. I have said in “supervision” that I sometimes say to clients “what’s the resistance here?” My boss didn’t think that was a good thing to say to client as it implies rebellion. What do you think? Is that an appropriate question to use in case work to draw attention to how we put obstacles in our paths? Many thanks, Dave Brighton UK
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
Well I wouldn’t use the word resistance unless I had explained and the patient understood the background or context in which that concept makes sense. Otherwise it could sound like an accusation. I would rather have explain to the patient how people commonly put obstacles in their path for various reasons and then ask if something like that might be happening here and now.
@daveclarke4875
3 жыл бұрын
Don, I’ve just looked up reparation in Charles Rycroft’s A Critical Dictionary in Psychoanalysis and he opens up his entry for reparation and describes it as a defence mechanism. It’s used to reduce the feeling of guilt. This is an adaptive and mature mechanism surely
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
I’m not even sure many would consider reparation a defense. But I’m sympathetic to Charles Brenner’s view that anything the mind can do can serve defense.
@daveclarke4875
3 жыл бұрын
@@doncarveth is that from his book called “Psychoanalysis or Mind or Meaning”?
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
@@daveclarke4875 The mind in conflict
@daveclarke4875
3 жыл бұрын
@@doncarveth just ordered it! Everytime I message you I end up purchasing an inspirational book. E-bay always delivers these recommendations. Would you ever consider giving us a guided tour of your book shelf’s and study? It might make for an innovative talk. I’d be keen to know the seminal texts that have influenced your trenchant outlook. Thanks for the reply, Dave, Brighton UK 🇬🇧
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
@@daveclarke4875 You mean a verbal guided tour or a visual, on camera, guided tour?
@dusanstevanic78
22 күн бұрын
Hallo Don! I was wondering, if the case of your father helping people after the car accident could be seen not only as supression, but as kind of splitting, which is situative and which we need in order to make decisions and take actions. And later on he came back into the lower level of excitation, the splitted came together and he reacted emotionally, now operating in depressive position? Thank you very much for all of this video lectures and especially for the fact, that they are free.
@doncarveth
22 күн бұрын
The defence mechanism called “isolation of affect” which is really a kind of repression of affect, applies
@markt1935
3 жыл бұрын
Hello Mr. Carveth. I wonder what your opinion is on Isidor Sadger's 'Recollecting Freud', his claims of being the earliest student etc.
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
And sorry to say I haven’t read it.
@emilkraepe
3 жыл бұрын
Can you, please, make video about Hyman Spotnitz and his modern psychoanalysis?
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
I know something about that school although I am not trained in it. I may do a video outlining a few of its characteristics but I can’t be comprehensive.
@emilkraepe
3 жыл бұрын
@@doncarveth would love that.
@webb8846
Жыл бұрын
I just bought another book on psychoanalysis but a lot of my books show you how to use the psychoanalytic theories in a therapeutic session in your opinion professor what is the best book to explain the fundamental basics of psychoanalysis? Not in a therapeutic session but just the basic fundamentals of understanding it to its core
@doncarveth
Жыл бұрын
I don’t believe there is such a book.
@paulapalladino262
Жыл бұрын
Can psychosis be used in certain situations in an adaptive way ? The world around changes, no longer terrifying, and I no longer have to be psychotic in order to survive psychologically. Like in the movie " Life of Pi"?
@doncarveth
Жыл бұрын
Seems contradictory to suggest psychosis keeps you from being psychotic?
@doncarveth
6 ай бұрын
Most welcome
@felicianerlenburg2744
3 жыл бұрын
Dear Don. Thank your for your work. I wanted to ask if you could ever do a video on a topic or school within psychoanalysis that I find missing but relevant. Wilhelm Reich was a student of Freud but parted with him because he thought that much of Freud's therapeutic aims left some patients untouched, due to a bodily defense mechanism he called body armour. I would be curious in how far you consider his work valuable in practice and theory, in particular body armour as a defense mechanism. The problem being that talking alone can keep a person from experiencing mental pain rather than facing it, because the body defends against it, for example through muscle tensions in the face. Reich developed exercises to release these armours. Thank you so much.
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
Reich’s work on Character Analysis is still respected and taught in some psychoanalysis institurptes. Years ago I read Alexander Lowen. I get the thinking behind search bodywork but I have never been convinced of its usefulness. I am afraid I am not the one to do talk on this.
@felicianerlenburg2744
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I appreciate your response. I understand that you would not want to lecture on this topic then. But may I ask which aspect you were not convinced of that made you decide not to follow it further?
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
@@felicianerlenburg2744 Although perhaps somebody work mate at times be an ad junked to psychoanalysis, I feel it is also a distraction from the main task which is putting everything into words, free association. Perhaps where this method is not working , We might have to resort to other techniques. But I cannot see using such techniques as the main method. Free association in the presence of the world train psychoanalyst is the method.
@felicianerlenburg2744
3 жыл бұрын
@@doncarveth yes alright I can see how this cannot be the main method and I think that Wilhelm Reich's point was to use this only in combination with free association. I think that the main work consists of psycho-therapy not body-therapy.
@bellakrinkle9381
3 ай бұрын
Another possibility is that emotional suffering gets trapped in the body fascia, as pioneered by Dr. Ida Rolf during the 1970s. The Rolfing Institute continues today in Boulder, CO. I tried one session as an adjunct to analysis; childhood emotions were released, along with specific memories. I cried; the Rolfer gave me privacy and when he returned he spoke to me in baby talk. I was completely unable to handle his attempt to console me, and never returned. I'm trying to find a Rolfer in my area. 12 sessions is considered a full body treatment. I would never consider Rolfing as a substitute for psychoanalysis, yet it is a tool for PA, most definitely, IMO.
@daveclarke4875
3 жыл бұрын
Hello Don, I’ve always been interested in humanistic and existential ideas and practice and in the past three years become disaffected with limitations of these approaches and turned to relational psychoanalysis. Making Interpretations has been particularly helpful in my work since. I was wondering if there was any further books do recommend on this subject or would ever do a talk perhaps? Thanks in advance! Loving the videos, Dave Brighton UK 🇬🇧
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
Dave, I’ve always seen the humanistic and existential approaches as add-ons and correctives do you mean Lee psychoanalytic approach which, for me, represents the foundation, but one badly in need of revision in various respects. I’ll think about a video. Thanks.
@daveclarke4875
3 жыл бұрын
@@doncarveth I agree with you. Rogers was trained in psychoanalytical ideas at Rochester child guidance clinic in New York and Maslow said that the third force used psychoanalysis as a sub-structure. His term for a foundation clearly. Interpretations are very distinctive and one of the unique selling points of the various approach within the rubric of analytic silos. I’d love to hear more as interpretations can be so powerful
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
@@daveclarke4875 yes, they certainly can. Holding and containing are necessary but in sufficient; confrontation, clarification, and interpretation or essential.
@richardprice9730
3 жыл бұрын
1:22 in I love that -------well ah err...?
@richardprice9730
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Going deeper the problem seems to me to be like this . 1 Most people are unwilling or unable to acknowledge they are in some degree "neurotic" or rather prone to distort perception into "something" to hide the original pain . 2 that this can then dev lope into "narcissism" which is a shored up type of neurosis and in some a kind of pathological typology as seen in well VERY dangerous in deed . 3 as janov quite rightly pointed out that the ego-mind is endlessly inventive and whilst we may trace the apparent roots back the thread will snap at exactly the point the primal was avoided and still is ie to use a crude example we seldom get enraged , break down in tears , want to scream out loud , shriek , shudder etc it is not socially the done thing Psychoanalysis deals with the ego end it cannot easily or rarely gets beyond the early existential. 4 As Janov says we must get down there somehow hence his life's work : books.google.co.uk/books?id=c3MeAQAAIAAJ&q=primal+pain&dq=primal+pain&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiqt7a9lazsAhWfUhUIHQtrCdMQ6wEwAXoECAIQAQ Which i urge your students to read .
@ulm81gtr
3 жыл бұрын
For me it is difficult to think about denial in a very structured way, for the matter of facts always leaves uncertainty to me and often too much of it, so that it is difficult to talk about denial. As you mention science, in my view it seems to be denial if one assumes that it is merely this truth seeking process with no other financial and political interests in it. Even leaving out medial communication of scientific information to this disturbing mix. Assuming that there is something that is nothing else but true without any doubt therefore makes me think of idealization and this part object stuff which seems to be some sort of denial, too. Now of course there are different levels on which one can deny more or less obvious information. But to me in this regard it seems like problems like denial can only be suggested and explored, rather than detected. I know about the unproductive problems of postmodern relativism and radical constructivism and stuff, but it seems to be wrong to leave out what is valid about these perpectives. Sometimes it even might be unhealthy to strive too much towards some kind of defined certainty, for it leaves out symbolic content that is desperately needed according to jungian perspectives of our civilazation process. Its sometimes very difficult to me to navigate within this tension.
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
OK, but practically speaking, sometimes people who are dying do you know the fact. There is widespread denial of anthropogenic climate disruption. There is much denial of death.
@tobias734
3 жыл бұрын
If you are upp for it, I would be very interested in hearing a psychoanalytic perspective on asexuality. Would you see it as a sublimation or as a denial of desire or something else? I´m trulyy curious
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t want to generalize, too many potential causes. Could be a sign of depression. Low testosterone or oestrogen levels. Puritanical super ego. Intense sublimation. Potential other factors.
@richardprice9730
3 жыл бұрын
Primitive isn't ok , neurosis isn't or is ? Conscience ? Some thoughts about what you have said . 14:00 minutes in there is a lot of confusion here the primal pain is in the child , the child cannot bear the pain we could not bear the pain these defences are secondary that are symbolic according to janov and i have to agree , to allow and acknowledge otherwise the original link or memory remains below consciousness driving the reactionary defence and the tertiary defences endlessly, mental health for means the environs of the "neurotic normals" who often in this adapted mode , they enjoy the reigning authority, they enjoy their power their status their sense of status . Society is "sick" so yes I agree nonconformists are generally closer to acknowledging these primal needs they are healthier but often still do not locate the true locus of their pain. I think there is something going on here you use the word conscience this is a primary defence in my mechanism very close to the original trauma a decision to split things into good versus bad , a terrible fear that the bad will happen again . 26:00 minutes in YES well-adjusted adults can do this , a great episode , reactive repression is neurotic this is the way we see adults from an early age behaving around us , ie in early cultures there was a great deal of envy and jealousy towards the needy potentially healthy child , now it is more covert as systems have become ubiquitous ie do not rock the boat ! Here is the unbearable ambivalence the U boat commander was the alter ego of your heroic father ? Maybe even this conscience idea , if I could only clearly divide good from bad ? This is clearly transference Don the U boat commander the Nazi was your beloved heroic Dad ? All this higher lower , to my mind it is just a degree of neurosis and the extent of the initial trauma re Bethlehem Book the empty fortress where children he rescued from the Nazis displayed autistic or deeply entrenched neurotic defences . Are Quintin Tarantino films primary process no , this speaks of your fear of this kind of naked exposition this fear what would happen if your parents were exposed ? Umm .36:00 Again narcissism is a personality fault a deeply laid down complex tertiary defence against the original pain , yes I didn't feel loved so i must love or (hate) myself , the concretizing of the unaknowledged original needs that were not met and threaten to break into consciousness and are still not allowed or else ... Repression ... >> the first level , then forms a kind of personality bias as you say depression internalized self hatred of this or thses unbearable needs and trauma that was originally associated with their emergence into consciousness. Reaction formation becomes internally symbolic , ideas based and eventually the purer / puella child the little professor , the good little school boy girl , who must score high marks , be good in terms of an internalized idea of good, fit in , belong and eventually someone by being part of ( in extreme a Nazi or ideologue). All forms of sytemization have this unhealthy neurotic basis don't they ? So coming back to your conscience it is or was the earliest form of the superego which I think may have become with the Id the dynamic out of which the ego self was originally formed Julian Jaynes the Bicameral mind, but there is something which seems to direct us in terms of a much deeper level of integration . So I think repression >>>then goes into the other forms sublimation , 50 minutes in kind of transference here ? That is the original trauma is now well sealed down the feelings are kept well under control by these tertiary defuses , ( sublimation , projection identification). Slight problem the anger is naturally cathartic , the hatred of the little boy is displaced not the anger is here -now , Berne was right anger /joy ,in my opinion the pain becomes sadistic repressed hate , envy jealousy of just being , how dare they just do as want ? Be free ? Bother me ? yep surgeons they are on a whole different level . All sex is perversion otherwise it isn't exciting is it , normal sex , sex with one's Mother , One's analyst , another's wife , a whore ? I sense throughout from the beginning this need to divide all the time as the defence against this ....58:00min in . I was a hurt (( hurtyer ) now a helper an ego image that allows the confusion? 60:00mins in yes seeing the beauty in the world ...I am not sure here are there actually good outlets ( QT) films are so exciting simply because they show us a glimpse of this nonsense , neurotic normalization ....? 1:05 in It is Ok to control others isn't it , to manipulate , to oppress , to use and ultimately abuse even if we have to use a system or a method of governance to do this . Back on track here Yes transference IS displacement on this we agree . Transference is key to good a analysis it must occur ! Both can occur and be melded together projection and transference , if ther was just pure projection it would be easier to see . Projective-- identification, I've never really seen the point of this subdivision but , it seems to be a very much earlier form of projection , a very early form of projection, whole aspects ?
@richardprice9730
3 жыл бұрын
Yes it is important to understand all theses differences these neurotic type of defences , as Freud brilliantly ut it solution and difference , ie not just repression that is in the adult thye are sealed away . Neurotic do NOT want to resign from the club once they discover theses unpleasant truths or worse they say what does it matter .I love Sartre analysis exactly but then when you say she says how dare you infer ! Yes exactly freuds later work Kohut who i think was right on , M Kleins work with children is different or seems this way but haven't read much of hers .
@richardprice9730
3 жыл бұрын
4:59 that is the very sin qua non of neurosis , avoiding the pain ! Feelings , negative feelings threatening to overwhelm me ( us) the patient, the pain of death i even believe is due to the pain we experience in the womb , being born and then for me any way the sense of terrible abandonment , confusion etc "trauma"-pain . We first lost any sense of oneness or communion , of feeling our needs unmet , for me lying being swaddled in a bed waiting , perhaps screaming inside etc , all our pain and our inability to transmute pain as an adult is I feel due to this . Janov is saying that until we can allow this early pain to surface we will always be "neurotic" never able to feel or allow feelings to emerge , so intellectualization is one form of making it appear we do not have to feel . 13:00 I do not think this is correct Don , no the baby cannot bear it , why should he/she ?
@richardprice9730
3 жыл бұрын
1:38 Coming to the end of this fascinating and brilliant talk , apologies ofr the numerous separate comment boxes , got a little over excited, I must read more and of course i am disappointed by the cost of training and having to start right at the bottom again in a hospital setting . Big Question ... But despite all of this , I feel "analysis" self-analysis ) therapy work to a degree but cannot but help think that janov had something really important to say , the pre verbal trauma is as it were in a line or part of the deep inner molten magma the "pain" of trauma that was originally pre verbal and traumas added to it by the adult who then experiences similar events all have to same sigtnature, and they are all stored , or thye are dealt with by the mind brain similarly as he describes it "gated" and repressed as Freud said "isloted" in the same way as with the primal pain , this surely is what we need eventually to address , the weirdrd an wonder full extrusions are emanating from this core "disturbance " aren't they ? 1:25 in YES Jenner in my opinion is correct to understand defences is important in a so called normal neurotic they are all muddled .1:26 in here is the muddle we don't deny FEELINGS when actually do we also deny the collective assumptions or normal perceptual categorization of this ie my badly broken arm i wanted to believe was a bruise until 7 hours later the X ray showed a smashed olecranon Nov 2019 , fixations out 2 weeks ago another Op , YES neurotic denial is dread full but then hope must click in or should .Yes DT seeks to destroy what he can't control and what threatens to take away his power base ( pathological narcissusm). 1:30 in be careful with that one Don , science isn't about facts per se it is also interpretational , I was one . 1:31 the later Jewish position into Satan and God . Jesus didn't have hallucinations in the garden after 40 days oh no ! Totalitarianism of left and RIGHT ! Need a break Don
@Nick-qb4yd
3 жыл бұрын
I am really interested in this Kleinian notion of a reparative and creative sublimation of the repressed and thereby a de-repression of the repression without lapsing into psychoses, but if Freud fails to distinguish between conscience and the super-ego, does he really understand sublimation in this way? How does the person sublimate their desires if their trapped in an inexorable opposition between egoistic drive, which, so Freud claims, are inherently anti-social, and the castrating social imperatives that necessarily lead to discontent? I haven't revisited Civilization and Its Discontents in a long time, but I don't remember Freud providing us with a position that, involving conscience, allows us to creatively and reparatively address the past, reconcile ourselves with the split-off childhood pain which we have unjustly displaced onto ourselves and others, allows creative and conciliatory sublimation. Could you point me to a place in Freud where he would advocate this? Perhaps the clinical, and not the metapsychological, Freud?
@Nick-qb4yd
3 жыл бұрын
I suppose another way of asking the question is , if, as you say, conscience is central to developing healthy defenses, and, if Freud collapses the super-ego with conscience and the ego-ideal and blames the Id, as if it were genetically and somatically evil, which in itself appears to suggest that Freud remains victim to being scapegoated by a castrating's father who places all blame on the child, then would it not follow, in Freud's language, that sublimation would necessarily lead to neurotic repetition of in the appearance of compromise formation rather than a creative and reparative sublimation that would take us beyond the p-s position?
@doncarveth
3 жыл бұрын
Not Freud, Carveth [2013]
@Nick-qb4yd
3 жыл бұрын
@@doncarveth Right, got it. Thanks.
@stoneneils
4 ай бұрын
I don't believe in defense mechanisms, espeically the one known as 'denial'. lol
@richardprice9730
3 жыл бұрын
0-27 mins in despite the rather rambling beginnings you eventually get to a really important point the "neurotic" is more relatively repressed and passive aggressive controlling because in their psyche the repressive mechanisms are not water tight , it MUST surface re the transference so called we must subconsciously set up the same dynamic using new people , that is we hook into or are subconsciously drawn to certain people and situations because of this ,that is repression and resistance are the same or rather different aspects of same phenomena, . Hence, primal scream , cathartic work anger workshops . Suppression is an equally important feature of the human psyche one we need ! My sympathies on the German u boat commander , a sad f...r sounds bringing psychoanalysis into disrepute. Primaryt process and secondary are in my opinion not that distinct thyye can appear to be but fluctuate dependent on the internal biochemical and psychological condition of the person at a particular time and in a particular situation ie under torture we will all become psychotic , under chronic sleep deprivation and so on. I think we are back top the physics analogy of particles and waves ( 38 in ).
@naetek6430
3 жыл бұрын
...denial of the fact that abortion is not killing a human being...Responsibility??????
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