Maximilien der8auerspierre immediately guillotining any new CPUs he gets his hands on
@lordjaashin
2 жыл бұрын
are you not entertained??!
@landonluebke7627
2 жыл бұрын
The fact that I’m learning about this now in AP world makes it even better
@ReaperX7
2 жыл бұрын
Off with its IHS!!!
@QuietStorm4964
2 жыл бұрын
The king of overclocking has executed another IHS for the crime of being in the way of cooling
@peterzeboroff7448
2 жыл бұрын
Its hard to wrap my head around that many individual extremely tiny balls for connection and have it all connect perfectly with no lost connections. That just shows the extreme level of technology involved, absolutely incredible.
@AlpineTheHusky
2 жыл бұрын
Well some may not be connected as alot of those solder balls is for power
@TechTechPotato
2 жыл бұрын
Looks tasty
@Romnipotent
2 жыл бұрын
Knew I'd find you in here somewhere
@mianderson86
2 жыл бұрын
I want to learn how to "clean" the die and get photos like that. I have a ton of old crappy intel cpus I could practice on, it just looks so awesome!
@volvo09
2 жыл бұрын
If you find an old ceramic Intel CPU (edit, like a pentium or 486) you can pop the cap off the center of the bottom where all the pins are and see the bottom of the die. You have to take the die off the substructure pcb to see the "cool stuff" so you aren't left with much of anything to hold or look at afterwards.
@MrMcGreed
2 жыл бұрын
I think der8auer has a video on how to - though it's something with a lot of acids, so be carefull... also, it might be on his German channel, because it's from before he split them...
@forbiddenera
2 жыл бұрын
@@volvo09 the old pentium pros have a sh*t load of gold
@Altirix_
2 жыл бұрын
@@MrMcGreed the guy that does the ones on flikr most people have seen i think has an old tutorial on how to do it too, but the process of what to use varies a little by the fab process iirc
@AtaGunZ
2 жыл бұрын
@@MrMcGreed thanks for the heads up, do you know the video name?
@Ang3lUki
2 жыл бұрын
I'd imagine yields will be improved by the chiplets being smaller than their monolithic designs, however I imagine there are some losses to bad EMIB connections. I remember them talking about interconnect health when discussing Ponte Vecchio.
@JohnWilliams-gy5yc
2 жыл бұрын
Intel IHS team: Let's make it impossible to be delidded safely. Roman: You just give me a video plot and a new product. Thanks.
@SyahrulVEVO
2 жыл бұрын
wait, thats me
@-MaXuS-
2 жыл бұрын
This is why I genuinely love what Der8auer does when he takes his time and freely shares these videos with us! No one and I mean no one does this and does it out of the same curiosity as at I myself have for things like this! Thank you Roman!
@der8auer-en
2 жыл бұрын
thank you very much :)
@nneeerrrd
2 жыл бұрын
You love him because he buys stolen Intel confidential material? This tells a lot about you.
@kuyans3889
2 жыл бұрын
@@nneeerrrd This will literally ruin intel's business
@-afyx-
2 жыл бұрын
@@kuyans3889 didn't you think for a moment that AMD hadn't got such a CPU and analyzed it?
@kuyans3889
2 жыл бұрын
@@-afyx- how does roman buying one make a difference to that? also if AMD bought one and copied it, they would be sued to oblivion. these aren't little 486 clones any more. AMD wouldn't be stupid enough to, at every step they make their own technologies because they don't use intel obviously (for example DOCP instead of XMP). If AMD's business relied on copying intel designs, they would probably be getting samples from sources other than random Ali Express listing or whatever. I genuinely do not understand how it would be of any value for AMD to acquire pre release intel CPU's and analyse them.
@fy7589
2 жыл бұрын
Dude you probably just killed a $10k cpu just out of curiosity and education. Assuming it wasn't an already dead engineering sample. Not many people could have done that. You definitely deserve a medal of honor...
@der8auer-en
2 жыл бұрын
Haha thanks
@leyasep5919
2 жыл бұрын
Medal of horror ? :-D
@bennaambo2716
2 жыл бұрын
more a medal of stupidity
@leyasep5919
2 жыл бұрын
@@bennaambo2716 Tell us what he should have done instead with a chip he can't use/exploit before months ? He got us prime news, he showed us the immediate future and made a lot of views... What's your options ?
@vukzlatkovic1183
2 жыл бұрын
@@leyasep5919 i mean theorethically he could have spent a month or two to try to come up with a less destructive deliding method but intel could just as easily make engineering samples not work on any non engineering board via bios so it doesn't really matter
@Hydrazine1000
2 жыл бұрын
@10:17 Next time, if you want to measure pitch more accurately, measure the distance between 10 or even 20 bumps and divide by the correct amount. The measurement error for inaccurate positioning on the exact center of the bump will be greatly reduced.
@starwolf4109
2 жыл бұрын
I thought this CPU was useless after the failed delidding attempt, but you did an awesome job of making the most of the situation!
@kingpoopthe7th
2 жыл бұрын
The thumbnail for this video looked like a fire rescue cpu. Then we watched a cpu snuff film 😳
@KRAVER_
2 жыл бұрын
lmao
@user-dn5bx2iu3e
2 жыл бұрын
lmfao true.
@mycosys
2 жыл бұрын
I gotta admit i'm really surprised you dont have a reflow gun and even a PCB heater, they arent particularly expensive and seem like they would make your life easier often enough. You can pick up a really nice Quick reflow station for a couple hundred US.
@mycosys
2 жыл бұрын
(example use - put your entire delidding tool on the PCB warmer, heat to 90C and use the reflow gun to bring the IHS to 155 without cooking the entire PCboard/die that far for ages.) FWIW a double wedge delidder might still work with those very close caps
@herpderp_6488
2 жыл бұрын
this guy deserves so many more subs like he is really interesting and he does the things that most tec youtubers don't dare to do.
@paulrichalland
2 жыл бұрын
Well he has 450k subscribers on the main channel which is now only german
@ziggo0
2 жыл бұрын
@@paulrichalland yep. Op is so dedicated to message of needing more subs they literally don't even know who the KZitemr is lmao
@herpderp_6488
2 жыл бұрын
@@ziggo0 will admit I didn't know he had a main channel. Have been watching him for a while tho and found it weird how he has so little videos and subs. Makes sense now that you say it
@suntzu1409
2 жыл бұрын
@@ziggo0 Derbaeur still deserves more subs
@TobyIKanoby
2 жыл бұрын
This guy is already an OG at this point. He achieved quite a lot most tec youtubers can only dream of.
@TheTechDragonChannel
2 жыл бұрын
you could try to do some image stacking to see if you can pull more details out if you overlap all of the states and colors, some details may stand out a bit more.
@justinbouchard
2 жыл бұрын
Can you design a delidder that would push the lid on a pivot point basically to avoid damaging the caps? The top left corner with the writing being the pivot point and pushing the bottom right corner towards the bottom left corner? It would only take a very minimal amount of movement before you could just remove it from the delidding tool and manually "wiggle" it looser. Just my backyard north of lake superior thoughts ;) Love from Canada :)
@mrawesomelemons
2 жыл бұрын
Or maybe create some sort of "stopper" for one side and push up the other side using some sort of wedge shape.
@justinbouchard
2 жыл бұрын
@@mrawesomelemons wedge is also a great idea that might work even better! I mean taking it out when it's 150 C and "wiggling" the lid is somewhat laughable to like argue against my own idea hahaha. The wedge would eliminate that for sure!
@CaseyHancocki3luefire
2 жыл бұрын
Desoldering the caps before delidding should be pretty easy on capacitors that size. they look like they are at least 0402, 0603, or maybe even 0805 size. 0402 size caps are pretty hard to do by hand but they are definitely possible and i think those caps are probably bigger than 0402
@BenQuigley
2 жыл бұрын
@@justinbouchard you could create a delidder that pushes teflon wedges into it from four sides, maybe the corners, maybe the edges, that way you would lift the lid vertically
@indridcold2840
2 жыл бұрын
F in the chat to pay respects to Roman's wallet.
@Radovanslav
2 жыл бұрын
type your credit card info in the chat for Roman to pay to Roman's wallet
@dominic.h.3363
2 жыл бұрын
@@Radovanslav This would be funny, if some people wouldn't be stupid enough to do it...
@Radovanslav
2 жыл бұрын
@@dominic.h.3363 yeah.................
@KRAVER_
2 жыл бұрын
Damn Roman, You F* that CPU up. PCB was thick. Fun Deliding tho thanks !!
@floodo1
2 жыл бұрын
d00d thanks for always showing your mistakes, makes the successes that much better!!!
@Maisonier
2 жыл бұрын
Ohh Derbauer, your videos are like gold in my chip life, although I will never could buy one of those ... like as usual, greetings from Argentina.
@potatopotatopotatopotatopo8746
2 жыл бұрын
I died on the inside after that delid fall. Never witnessed anything like this holy shit
@martinpeel1820
2 жыл бұрын
When removing the IHS you should have made a small spacer to put between the cpu and de-liding tool and then shaped the spacer so that there's a cutaway on the bottom half of the side that presses on the cpu so that you could be certain that the pressure is against the IHS only and the spacer will clear and go over the PCB and not into it. Additionally you could have made an additional cut away in the section of the spacer edge that would have contacted the SMD's so that it wouldn't have damaged them either and only made contact to the IHS either side of the SMD's. Just thought I'd mention the idea in case your in a similar situation in the future and can hopefully avoid damaging another chip. Love the videos always really interesting and massive respect for the guts to do something like this knowing you'll almost definitely ruin this cpu using that de-lidding tool and still going ahead with it.
@interlace84
2 жыл бұрын
15:00 that cpu's on some serious acid!
@ionottoi
2 жыл бұрын
4:36 - That hurts. A lot. No words to describe it.
@ColonelFrosting
2 жыл бұрын
I'm still somewhat new to this channel and some of Roman's methods and was only half-watching when I heard "Grilling time" and I was like "you what-" and then when it cut to a charred Xeon I think my soul left my body
@der8auer-en
2 жыл бұрын
😹😹 sorry for that
@LalaFafa
2 жыл бұрын
That is not a BGA anymore ... that is an AGA -- Atom Grid Array. Mindblowing seeing such a big amount of contacts underneath the chiplet
@longpham-sj5sv
2 жыл бұрын
ok
@longpham-sj5sv
2 жыл бұрын
ok
@MrSalty-eg4zb
2 жыл бұрын
I would love to hire this guy to work on my pc
@pino_de_vogel
2 жыл бұрын
Those solder dots are so small im surprised the failure rate isnt a lot higher on cpu's these days .
@BreakingTaps
2 жыл бұрын
Great work as always, really enjoy your decapping videos! If you ever want or need some SEM shots of the die, hit me up. Happy to help out 🙂I can do automated stitching across the whole die as well if there's interest, although it could take a while depending on magnification.
@hydrocarbon82
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if each chiplet indeed has 15 cores...but 1 is always disabled. That would drastically reduce 'duds' since it could survie with a blemish on 80% of the die.
@heyarno
2 жыл бұрын
would polishing with cerium oxide be more controlable?
@weirdsilence1914
2 жыл бұрын
"human hair is 60 micrometers" der8auer literally splitting hairs at this scale : D
@BARCH-wp5vl
2 жыл бұрын
Great video, incredible work
@dabombinablemi6188
2 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering if there is more consistent silicon quality in Intel's new multi die CPU. Some of their Core 2 Quad and matching Xeons used to have vastly different binning between them (eg. 1 of the die would run significantly hotter).
@JumpingJoseph
2 жыл бұрын
Nice.. :)) hopefully you can etch another core cleanly :)
@thatautogarage3644
2 жыл бұрын
Incredible work!
@BlackSkorpionLP
2 жыл бұрын
3:45 but these are big enough to be desoldered before delidding and resoldered after.
@rellaxshala4189
2 жыл бұрын
I wanted to say the same thing. You can desolder them, delid and after that resolder when you done your work
@Alan_Skywalker
2 жыл бұрын
It actually has 64 physical cores. Currently my info suggests that 8480 will have 60 cores activated.
@dorkasaurus_rex
2 жыл бұрын
The delidding fail hurt me physically.
@Ryan-The-Grifter
2 жыл бұрын
Do you upload your die shots somewhere? I'd like to use them for my desktop wallpaper
@deagt3388
2 жыл бұрын
Be careful not to let that processor fall out of your trembling hand again! ;-)
@HypnoticSuggestion
2 жыл бұрын
I want to know just how difficult it is to attach everything to the substrate, with these and Zen as well, must have required a lot of fresh engineering.
@WiztotheIzzard
2 жыл бұрын
Looks like delidding that one sideways will be the preferred method, in the future. More PCB frontage, and more heatspreader wiggle room.
@fVNzO
2 жыл бұрын
Is this based on the same 10nm from Alder Lake? Edit: Rest in pieces. Hardwaregore.
@georgiedagreek2734
2 жыл бұрын
My man, I felt your pain.
@Patrick73787
2 жыл бұрын
The first DDR5/PCIe 5 HEDT platform. Beautiful.
@runninginthe90s75
2 жыл бұрын
Also it glued better because Intel using EMIB, unlike AMD.
@MissMan666
2 жыл бұрын
So where is it ? Intel needs to get it's act together... here at my work (Government IT) they just swapped from Intel to AMD in a deal for the next 3 years cause AMD's offering was higher performance, lower power usage and lower TCO. The IT staff said the decision had to be made since there was no other logical choice as Intel has fallen behind for the last 3 years, they could not longer justify buying Xeons.
@johnblecker4206
2 жыл бұрын
How sweet that cpu looks.
@EvL--_--
2 жыл бұрын
Would be curious about a 12900K direct-die oc test....
@samiulislamsharan
2 жыл бұрын
can you post a link to some of the Hi Res images of the die shot?
@suntzu1409
2 жыл бұрын
What price you paid for this?
@insidon
2 жыл бұрын
On his German channel, he said he paid 150€
@suntzu1409
2 жыл бұрын
@@insidon ok thx
@whyjay9959
2 жыл бұрын
@@insidon Seriously? The higher-end Xeons I've seen cost thousands.
@suntzu1409
2 жыл бұрын
@@whyjay9959 its a second hand engineering/qualification sample from ebay
@jatinisme
2 жыл бұрын
Woahhh! This surely hurts even if one doesn't even own it. 😰😰
@unh0lyav3ng3r8
2 жыл бұрын
Couldn't you use a laser like the ones they remove rust with, or to make a logo.. and get it just do the whole surface in sweeps? Maybe there's a high tech machine shop near you could approach for advice. The newer manufacturing process has just made die shots using your current process very hard.
@benjamintrathen6119
2 жыл бұрын
I counted 16 cores per die, maybe a max of 64 cores?
@notestine0221
2 жыл бұрын
I've got a few of those prototype boards behind me :)
@ravenclawgamer6367
2 жыл бұрын
Considering AMD's EPYC 7773X and Threadripper Pro 5995WX takes 280W and Sapphire Rapids take 350W (according to official specs, at least. I expect real power usage to be around 310W and 450W respectively), it's nuts to see that Intel's 56 cores take more power than 64 cores.
@OTechnology
2 жыл бұрын
It looks like it has 16-core per chip no? Wouldn't that be a 64-core chip? Maybe intel is disabling cores for yield reasons.
@ChopperPBM
2 жыл бұрын
Yep, exactly that, by allowing 14 cores per chiplet that allows for better yields, then when they start getting better and they get some chips with all 64 cores they can sell them for a premium as a new part
@user-dn5bx2iu3e
2 жыл бұрын
Bro, lmfao. This is why you're the best.
@averyoldYoutubeuser
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely incredible 🙂
@paulrichalland
2 жыл бұрын
It would look amazing if someone made a ring or a necklace or any sort of ornament with a die like this
@ctrlectrld
2 жыл бұрын
I guess just like Roman's oven, those oven gloves have seen more pc parts than baking trays
@der8auer-en
2 жыл бұрын
I think that's true :D
@rahimdamji9602
2 жыл бұрын
more alderlake delidding!! im wanting to do mine bad! more vids like this please
@Zeno-
2 жыл бұрын
...why would you need to delid yours?
@rahimdamji9602
2 жыл бұрын
@@Zeno- because I enjoy pushing things to max. Can lower temps 10 to 20c… basically 5.4 5.5 all core oc highly possible. Why wouldn’t you do it for free performance? I’ve done it on every Intel chip
@a3b36a04
2 жыл бұрын
PCB lamination is interesting as well.
@JordanC081508
2 жыл бұрын
"It's barbecue time" :D make me laugh hard :D and thanks Roman for this video!
@fl3162
2 жыл бұрын
0:31 “I bought this on Flea Bay” … next video
@razter6678
2 жыл бұрын
How to BBQ a CPU. Just needs some sauce and a biscuit now.
@InfraredVisuals
2 жыл бұрын
That's some impressive shots.
@AndreiNeacsu
2 жыл бұрын
Is Intel using glued-together desktop chips in their server CPUs?
@vukzlatkovic1183
2 жыл бұрын
Hey, how did you go about eching those dies, I recently dug up some dead ddr2 ram and wanted to expose dies
@gamesandsoftwares1441
2 жыл бұрын
i felt that "OH SHIT"
@frazho4eg
Жыл бұрын
that was brutal
@nabusvco
2 жыл бұрын
German man brutally murders cpu for subscribers knowledge
@amarvir7444
2 жыл бұрын
Ice Lake Server and Cooper Lake is LGA 4189 : D
@cocosloan3748
2 жыл бұрын
Basically you took a super fine top notch chip - broke it - melted it and then you dropped it in acid ...🤨
@92trdman
2 жыл бұрын
Can do the E3 or Phenom II ? Danke schön
@LeonardTavast
2 жыл бұрын
It's basically Intel's response to Zen1 Epyc (Naples) which also used 4 CPU tiles.
@cybercapri
2 жыл бұрын
Just seems to me that you could have made an adapter to get around the caps on either side of this cpu. I am sure you could have used some sort of adapter to avoid damage to this cpu all things considered...
@vikmanphotography7984
2 жыл бұрын
For your die shots, you should try getting some polarizing filters for your camera and polarizing gels (lee or rosco) for your light. Should help manage which reflections show when and how brightly.
@michaelthompson9798
2 жыл бұрын
My wallet is crying 😭 over the dollars lost here
@someasian6uy80
2 жыл бұрын
now that is some a+ hardware gore
@EyesOfByes
2 жыл бұрын
Unlocked Intel 56-core? Yikes, that would be something else 😁
@riba2233
2 жыл бұрын
Damn these leaked so early
@alpenfoxvideo7255
2 жыл бұрын
Intel doing MCM design to reduce cost: each chiplet is 3 times larger than a standard cpu
@sammoore2242
2 жыл бұрын
I Don't think a monolithic CPU of that size is even possible within current reticle limits.
@alpenfoxvideo7255
2 жыл бұрын
@@sammoore2242 I am referring to one of the chiplets itself, which is as big as a gpu die
@jayvee8502
2 жыл бұрын
looks like it is a 16core per die x 4. AMD has a smaller die because it is only 8core per die x 8. Chances are these unreleased Xeon CPUs has high TDPs unable to match AMDs EPYC 64 core efficeincy.
@CaseyHancocki3luefire
2 жыл бұрын
Those caps look large enough to manually solder/de-solder before delidding the CPU.
@der8auer-en
2 жыл бұрын
that's a good point :)
@XantheFIN
2 жыл бұрын
Or just add some adapter block in "delidder" to avoid them... (?)
@ole-martinbroz8590
2 жыл бұрын
send a tile to fritzen
@roomempty343
2 жыл бұрын
i wrote the same but my comments been deleted 2 times %-/ FritzchensFritz makes best shots
@Harish2923
2 жыл бұрын
Yes please
@Bularistan4o
2 жыл бұрын
We have a microscope like this, or at least the same brand and I have always wondered how much does it cost... Then I saw your link - OMG! But its really nice and cool tho...
@bacon.cheesecake
2 жыл бұрын
You filing the pcb really hurt to watch
@FireFalcon
2 жыл бұрын
If only there was a 90 degree version of the ihs remover
@adonisds
2 жыл бұрын
What was the sale price?
@gerardfraser
2 жыл бұрын
thanks for sharing video
@kojack57
2 жыл бұрын
Oh that hurt. You sir belong in tech, CPU enthusiast prison for at least .....One Month. Okay, maybe a week. Upon second viewing, 08:27 a month feels more appropriate.
@mybsite5697
2 жыл бұрын
Roman, Some things should be kept to secresy - so painful but thank you lol
@cleverja
2 жыл бұрын
watching this whole video, my mind keeps asking how much is the cpu worth that was just destroyed in front of my eyes
@narkoid
2 жыл бұрын
I love this kinda stuff
@boredape1257
2 жыл бұрын
you slaughtered poor thing =(
@N4CR
2 жыл бұрын
woah what happened to your arm? I hope that doesn't spread, it looks nasty!
@qzy-179SanTzxkW
2 жыл бұрын
Alt title: how to waste thousands of euros WITHOUT gambling
@der8auer-en
2 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@leyasep5919
2 жыл бұрын
I hear a few Intel engineers having a heart attack ;-)
@Bartmann420
2 жыл бұрын
Ask your source to list the item on ebay then ;p 01:29
@quentinduch1625
2 жыл бұрын
Even so, it will be obvious that the leaked board came directly from the motherboard's manufacturer, as manufacturers are the only ones to have the engineering samples of these boards. Whereas CPU engineering samples are sent by Intel to many companies to set the compatibility with motherboards, RAMs, ... So finding the actual source of the leakage of a CPU is way harder.
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