the worst part of this, is that bungie finally give an ornament to this exotic after the complete nuke of nerf it receive.
@legendofeddadrakath
Жыл бұрын
It's still retarded I find that Bungie completely nerfed the hell out of this exotic and then make a ornament after that. Kind of a dick move though.
@godknightomega
Жыл бұрын
Good means we don't have to give them another dime.
@CedricBassman
Жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the absolute nuke of a nerf. The same Nuke HoiL recieved, or Loreleys. Both completly unusable now, totally not still viable. Bro this community is so delusional it's not even funny anymore 🤣
@godknightomega
Жыл бұрын
@@CedricBassman Titans keep getting nerfs and "ReWoRkS" because of PvP. HOIL is still at least usable in PvE and so is Loreley's. Bungo needs to start separating PvP and PvE A LOT harder and also give other Exotics a power bump. For example I think Armamentarium should give BOTH Grenade charges back instead of one at a time. Starfire Protocol is now trash but at least had a bootleg Demolitionist attached. So what is the harm of letting Armamentarium recharge both Grenades at the same time?
@mathieupetitpas9611
Жыл бұрын
@@CedricBassman it is a nuke, people will no longer use it ever again
@AmIWrong213
Жыл бұрын
Cutting it down to 10% would’ve been the perfect nerf. BUT 2.5% IS AWFUL 💀💀
@0Rosanna
Жыл бұрын
It wasn't even a nerf at this point they literally executed this exotic.
@MasterPhnxC
Жыл бұрын
I was just thinking the same thing. Nerf it to 10% not 2.5%.
@Au-Li-
Жыл бұрын
The exotic gives demo to all weapons, infinite emp rifts, double nade slot and effectively a huge disciple boost, you’re actually brain dead
@christopherrivera9299
Жыл бұрын
Bungie said people leaked 5%.... naw let's to 2.5% Like that .5 was gonna do anything. Might as well make it 0
@dangergamez9
Жыл бұрын
Welp back to sunbracers (since d1 lol)
@PL8TE_LOL
Жыл бұрын
i could finish the entire Beyond Light campaign and get all the fragments by the time i get a grenade back lmao
@qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm2528
Жыл бұрын
😂
@iAmViking94
Жыл бұрын
for real 🤣🤣
@CedricBassman
Жыл бұрын
Little timmy has to do more now than just shoot one Witherhoard, sadge.
@mrlunar62
Жыл бұрын
@@CedricBassman yes, but titans cry when their hoil which allowed more grenades that also had more damage was nerfed.
@Kanudee
Жыл бұрын
@@CedricBassman it’s been like that for 5 years and it was fine. all they had to do was make fusions nades with touch a flame do 50% more instead off 100% starfire was never the problem it’s was touch of flame
@thewhgplays309
Жыл бұрын
2.5% is defo an overkill, 7.5%-10% is more reasonable.
@monkeyjamzter
Жыл бұрын
10% i think woould have been fine
@GravitonLance
Жыл бұрын
@@monkeyjamzter they should've also said that the veil is like the traveller but for the darkness, the only time they say that is in a leaked cutscene
@ClassyAssassin0
Жыл бұрын
5 years of complete irrelevancy, 1 year of being use. Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
@lukatosic09
Жыл бұрын
It was good before solar 3.0, and it's still good now
@sxcculent
Жыл бұрын
@@lukatosic09 both of those statements are very wrong unfortunately
@elangaranjy217
Жыл бұрын
@@sxcculent it was commonly used on Atheon for grenade spam so in use since season of the splicer
@lukatosic09
Жыл бұрын
@@sxcculent I used it for years before witch queen so idk what you're talking about it. It was part of my main load out for solo pit and solo prophecy. It was good before solar 3.0. and is good now for ad clear Yeah it's bad for boss DPS now but it's still great for dealing high burst damage to ultras/champs and for ad clearing. With the emp rift cycling you just need to make sure you have bomber×2 and that you're killing things with empowered weapons and dropping rifts often. It's harder to use now but still results in lots of nades thrown
@Cillian-wwweeee
Жыл бұрын
@@lukatosic09 but sunbracers just outclass it now
@brusselseastside3546
Жыл бұрын
I’m crying real tears. How they shipped this out with satisfaction is completely beyond me.
@tonysbanned
Жыл бұрын
cry more. cant spam grenades🤡💩
@chloewith7es
Жыл бұрын
with high discipline itll take 12-15 seconds to get a grenade back, thats enough for 2, maybe 3 per damage phase if its a longer phase. the exotic also lets you start dps with 1 extra fusion, so 3-4 extra fusions per dps. fusions do about 80k damage plus ignition, so that's 240k-320k extra damage. you get about as much extra damage as a burst super while supporting your team by being on well. unironically you're just coping because you can't out damage your team while using a support super
@tonysbanned
Жыл бұрын
@@chloewith7es crying cuz he cant spam grenades🤣
@jettywango3939
Жыл бұрын
@@chloewith7es Not wrong.
@jgrooms272
Жыл бұрын
@@chloewith7es Yes, a support super that sucks to run, but is mostly required by any LFG unless you get lucky and have multiple locks. This at least made it fun. Now it’s useless and we still get to run WoR. Wish they would have nerfed WoR to the ground right along with it.
@Sargatas
Жыл бұрын
- It's worthless. - It's more then worthless my boy.
@whiteboi6735
Жыл бұрын
Less then worthless*
@Sargatas
Жыл бұрын
@@whiteboi6735 oh...I remember it wrong...
@dantekenway7900
11 ай бұрын
@whiteboi6735 less “than” worthless
@AmbitionShadow
Жыл бұрын
I forgot to mention they added this to the exotic - empowered weapon final blows grant 20% grenade energy. I'm not sure if it matters, but I just wanted to mention it.
@hue_lord_4208
Жыл бұрын
There's probably a cooldown inbetween kills, so you can't just kill a group of 5 ads with one shot and instantly get your grenade back. Also, almost no boss dps phase will be dense with ads, and for the ones that do, you'll be losing out on damage while splitting your attention to kill a random ad to get a portion of your grenade back. It's become an ad clear exotic, and even then, there are other exotics that do it way better.
@AmbitionShadow
Жыл бұрын
@Hue_Lord_420 Hey bro, from what I just tested right now, it seems fast. smg Kills always gives the 20% energy & then I tested using a rocket in shuro chi I would kill like 10 enemies with 1 rocket & would only get back 40% energy. You made some great points, by the way.
@ManBaguette
Жыл бұрын
just use sunbracers at that point
@Whippy_y
Жыл бұрын
@@ManBaguette starfire still better in GMs
@ManBaguette
Жыл бұрын
@@Whippy_y well yeah that's completely different. The new exotic will be used in gms
@wickermind6668
Жыл бұрын
Gotta love Bungie "balance" design of nerf something useful into the floor and then provide absolutely no good alternatives, and then giving the ornament like a petty child. 10/10 mature game company.
@chrisgeo6713
Жыл бұрын
If you think there are no other good alternatives then you must be either blind or stupid.
@TJRhythmicProduction
Жыл бұрын
I feel like they could've just kept the cooldown the same and removed the 2nd grenade. That way it's would have slowed down the dps a bit, without actually destroying the poor thing.
@hiimferdie9538
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, THAT would've been BETTER AND MORE BALANCED, than the absolute dumpster fire this has. RIP one of the best Warlock Exotics...
@jettywango3939
Жыл бұрын
No it wouldnt have, people threw the grenade off cooldown, having the 2nd grenade was just a nice opening if you had a demo rocket.
@dom316
Жыл бұрын
If they had just cut the grenade energy gained from damage to a fraction of what it was, they could have made it somewhat usable. Putting it so energy is only gained on kill is what made it useless outside trash mobs.
@jettywango3939
Жыл бұрын
@@dom316 Did you even read the change?
@Whippy_y
Жыл бұрын
@@jettywango3939 haha fr tho
@subdemon.
Жыл бұрын
It pisses me off because the ornament looks soooo good!
@mmks14
Жыл бұрын
I think it might work since this probably slow enough to bypass the demolitionist timer
@rightful4973
Жыл бұрын
Damn I could que into the game faster this afternoon than I could get a single nade back on nerfed starfire
@slavmagician2898
Жыл бұрын
Cheers for showing the difference, I haven’t been on to see the changes
@Jrob236
Жыл бұрын
I lie how they mentioned that they don't want to completely dog this armor piece and be able to still use the perk effectively but they just just that.... DOGGED IT
@OsciIlate
Жыл бұрын
The nerf shouldve been like Vorpal Weapon where each type of weapon gave a different amount of percentages
@Blazuchan
Жыл бұрын
I havent been using Starfire since Season of Seraph , I mostly use Contraverse Hold, and then in Defiance I learning the ways of Sunbracer, it's so much fun and totally worth it.
@darkshotmk3
Жыл бұрын
Sunbracers all the way only had to use starfire when forced to by a raid team
@billiotz
Жыл бұрын
bungie next season: due to sunbracers are the only cool exotic left in the game for warlock we are nerfing it to -100%, now after activating the sunbracers perk, your super will be back to 0% and all your fellow team mates will die.
@reavers9852
Жыл бұрын
Instead of destroying the exotic make it 5% or 10% cuz this is very bad
@derellsherman3087
Жыл бұрын
This was the exact change I would've suggested. No longer God tier for DPS, but still very useable without stepping on the toes of other exotics.
@Alckee6904
Жыл бұрын
People that argue that its good for ad clear: Why not just use: fire fly dragon fly incandescent volt shot trinity ghoul risk runner thunderlord sunshot any gun with subsistence destabilizing rounds forebearance any wave frame etc
@SSgt.Blackout
Жыл бұрын
If you want something of an alternative try sunbracers, infinite grenades for 5 seconds after a charged melee kill and add focusing strike to regain melee energy.
@wjbrevenge
Жыл бұрын
the problem with sunbracers imo is that using the celestial fire melee is like a 50/50 chance of it proc'ing the gloves. and thats the melee i really want to use because of both range and the ability to use the charged ability point blank. ive been playing the new dungeon screwing around with different solar builds and ive had instances where i would kill 4-5 ads with one melee charge of celestial fire and the gloves wouldnt proc. on the other hand the snap melee will proc the gloves basically 97% of the time but i have to be in a shotgun distance of a group of ads ready to tear me apart. if they fixed that then ill return to solar warlock. for right now im just gonna enjoy being emperor palpatine using this seasons heavy arc emphasis artifact.
@SSgt.Blackout
Жыл бұрын
@@wjbrevenge I've personally never had any problems with celestial fire but I've been using incinerator snap just because of the shorter cooldown.
@charliegemmer4530
Жыл бұрын
Funnily enough they also nerfed sunbracers. The duration of solar nades are shorter and no more built in fastball
@jonathasvieira6414
Жыл бұрын
I don't think this is a nerf, all lingering grenades in the game were affected, not only solar. Also some grenades are passing throught titan's barricade. This looks like a bug affecting grenades in general.
@HelloMyNameIsZON3
Жыл бұрын
The delete afterwards is exactly how I treat items in destiny 2 now, everything is expendable at this point 😅
@Rynobii
Жыл бұрын
Finally i can use my necrotic grips build without being demanded to switch
@simplyrohith2163
Жыл бұрын
You won't get demanded unless it's endgame stuff. If you're using necrotic in the endgame know that you're being carried by your teammates
@MrForsar
Жыл бұрын
Lol 😂 that delete at the end of the video.
@coreylemmon971
Жыл бұрын
I still run it just because of my builds I run demo a lot and I mean I don’t use the exotic for dps phases more for ad clear on targets with bigger health still good cause of the extra fusion grenade but not good for dps phases anymore
@princentirwimura6920
Жыл бұрын
I did the same thing as you and dismantled it when I tested the nerf lmao
@superdude3457
Жыл бұрын
worst part is, is that they shadow nerfed sunbracers so r.i.p the replacement
@eonranger8884
Жыл бұрын
This definitely feels like it's meant to be ad clear now, which kinda sucks, since, you know, sunbracers, but I honestly really hated that this exotic was to only thing anybody would use, so I guess that problem was solved🤷♂️
@o5-council238
Жыл бұрын
Good luck getting a power melee kill in gms lmao
@lmrecordsgaming8003
Жыл бұрын
The star fire is good on strand warlock with the new strand dps swap
@horrorpleb249
Жыл бұрын
Warlocks before the nerf: Let there be hell fire! Warlocks after the nerf: *Sniffle* anyways, sunbracer time!
@twohorsesinamancostume7606
Жыл бұрын
I just wish there was an exotic that wasn't just a passive buff to well. It was nice to do something other than "herp der, drop well then hold down trigger" on whatever the meta wrapon type was. Maybe if Warlocks actually had some damn options everyone on the planet would have been running it.
@Whippy_y
Жыл бұрын
have you tried other Sub classes? there are 4 others
@coreylemmon971
Жыл бұрын
I don’t think you realize how strong strand is on the warlock super chunks, run grapple nade consume it and run around get woven mail, and suspends and unravel targets and with the new artifact mode your now doing support to void and arc
@twohorsesinamancostume7606
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, great idea running another subclass guys. Amazing I never thought of that. Too bad I'm ALWAYS stuck running well.
@nicholascazmay2126
Жыл бұрын
@@Whippy_yLaughs in 5 other raiders begging me to run well.
@Whippy_y
Жыл бұрын
@@twohorsesinamancostume7606 So what you really want is a well nerf. There are many "options" for warlock you are just choosing not to use them. You can keep crying about your team wanting you to run well it doesn't affect me. just realise that there are other options, obviously for damage ur gonna use well but guess what a hunter needs to run tether and if well does get a nerf titans will have to use bubble. Please stop complaining about the lack of options when there are a lot of options that you CHOOSE to ignore.
@arkman117
Жыл бұрын
I love starfire and still do I specifically built around it and have avoided using it like that since I first learned it was a thing specifically because I knew there was no way that was how it was intended to used, and yes they would let something unintentionally powerful persist this long, having two double exploding fusion grenades is still absolutely amazing and it’s really not that hard to get a very quick cooldown on them and have a made every few seconds via picking up orbs and such, you still walk around destroying elites and majors, just use an actual proper heavy weapon against bosses and use your bases for everything else, and you don’t have to juggle killing red bars every few seconds like you do with sunbracers. Using empowering rift was never really a great play in end game content anyways and to each there own but I do not like phoenix dive in end game activities, this will still be better than sunbracers in endgame content all that was really removed was the whitherhoard made spam combo.
@o5-council238
Жыл бұрын
Now you actually have to use it for the double grenade instead of insane dps
@TheGamerDad82
Жыл бұрын
Played a solar lock with a 3x100 build for 3 seasons or so... This change cuts deep. 😕
@The_Real_Lysol_Towlette
Жыл бұрын
Honestly I still use it, I never used it for meta dps, I love two double exploding nades that I can recharge with an orb/class and melee ability regen build.
@Milk-of9ee
Жыл бұрын
I never used it in its glory days but I have been using a build like you mentioned now, I don’t do end game content (no friends to play with) but it’s viable for a solo goofer arounder like myself
@autotune8180
Жыл бұрын
Bro had enough and deleted it and put sun bracers on 😭😂
@GamesProject
Жыл бұрын
The nerf on Starfire, albeit necessary, was overkill. It's an 8x decrease in grenade regen which make the grenade recharge next to irrelevant. You're forced to play with Demo type weapons to get some of it back and even then you have to get your full build toward grenade regen. People saying it's still good for GMs and such are coping really hard over the fact the exotic is basically dead (Yes it is decent for add clear, especially on tankier targets but that's about it. Sunbracers have a much better CC usage than Starfire does.). And speaking of Sunbracers, surprise surprise, the exotic got stealth nerfed. It doesn't come with Fastball anymore and got its duration killed (the exotic doesn't give extended duration anymore). So the exotic got also severely injured. They made Solar Warlock irrelevant outside of "You must play Lunafaction Well". GG Bungie, GG.
@loolya3
Жыл бұрын
With anarchy they atleast made us have fun with it , with breach and clear before it got nuked. Unfortunately the same cant be said about sp it got nuked before it got an ornament
@Doinkski
Жыл бұрын
This is the definition of nerfed into the ground
@overlord1ful
Жыл бұрын
Just combo Starfire with Wither and 2 burst with adaptive fusion, you'll have your grenade just like before only with a little damage tacked on.
@Bighomiehobbs
Жыл бұрын
Someone somewhere in lfg they are still going to use this for dps haha
@im_jjp
Жыл бұрын
to be fair it was the ONLY dps option for warlocks
@mistero9899
Жыл бұрын
What emblem u have?
@isaacmalik3714
Жыл бұрын
*immediately deletes starfire build from the build menu*
@Legend-bq7lt
Жыл бұрын
Its not even bad
@isaacmalik3714
Жыл бұрын
@@Legend-bq7lt bruh 💀
@Legend-bq7lt
Жыл бұрын
I'm not joking, you can still solo nezerac with titan
@ObsidianRex23
Жыл бұрын
did the same
@isaacmalik3714
Жыл бұрын
@@Legend-bq7lt since when is titan starfire? what are you saying lol
@TragicChaosx
Жыл бұрын
Use ember of benevolence because it got a nice buff, use tier 10 discipline and you can make it work. It’s not as good as it once was but it’s still usable
@darkshotmk3
Жыл бұрын
Somewhat but they would need to keep stepping outside and then back in again to your well or rift to keep it procked for you
@TragicChaosx
Жыл бұрын
@@darkshotmk3 run phoenix dive and the radiant fragment, with incinerator snap melee. You can also run ignitions give you grenade energy as well. They made it to where you really have to build into now if you want to use it.
@Yilue
Жыл бұрын
As it got an ornament I hope it gets some kind of buff/rework. Its literally useless now
@zz1426
Жыл бұрын
Just what were they thinking
@geko1410
Жыл бұрын
Ive been playing my warlock for 2k hr so far, after trying titan ive come to this conclution, that bungie doesnt like warlocks, titan works and does what is intended, and so does hunter, warlock is stuck in limbo,im not sure where the caster idea is a walock is just a well slave.
@DeadBoyVonn
11 ай бұрын
Looks Like I’m Busting Out The Sunbracers From Now On 🥺
@JtsTubes
Жыл бұрын
What I don’t understand is all of these videos comparing the old way it worked to the complete rework. It’s no longer a single target exotic, it’s for ad clear now.
@BetaFish_Ray
Жыл бұрын
Post-nerf build copium is not going to save this exotic even with all the passive perks that give grenades in the game applied, I simply don't think it's going to work. Some times there are hidden timers for ability regen and with how bad it got hiroshima/Nagasaki-nerfed, it's going to be a miracle for people to still use it regardless of how to make a post-nerf build. It's usage had skyrocketed because of solar 3.0, specifically because of the one aspect that gave fusions a second explosion and now the aspect is the same while the exotic that benefitted the most from it got dunked into the garbage bin.
@jimmartin7943
Жыл бұрын
was never the exotics fault it was touch of flame fusion nades that were the problem, ah well rip starfire
@Kanudee
Жыл бұрын
Fr that’s what I have always been saying
@Kanudee
Жыл бұрын
Like it’s been in the game like that for 5 years weird how it was never broken before solar 3.0
@jimmartin7943
Жыл бұрын
@@Kanudee yea it’s just a shame bungo don’t realise that
@TheNxQ
Жыл бұрын
Lol literally not an exotic anymore 😵💫
@Au-Li-
Жыл бұрын
Are you mentally ill? It gives 2 nades, nades give emp rifts, weapons have demo in your rift/well, and effectively a huge discipline boost, its still a grear exotic please stfu
@TheCursedDay
Жыл бұрын
Back into the trashcan where it was for its entire existence until solar 3.0. Unnecessary to nerf it that much.
@Flydevice1
Жыл бұрын
I Heard the 2 verity’s brow build is S tier. Infinite grenades for your whole fire team titans and hunters benefit.
@Kanudee
Жыл бұрын
Yea it’s super good but they fix a “BUG” were your teammates were getting more regeneration and they were supposed to. Still great tho I think they were getting like 1000% when they were supposed to be getting 500% something like that
@MKP2W
Жыл бұрын
Look how they massacred my boy.
@amx9122
Жыл бұрын
RIP 😭 they really buried starfire
@lordbasketboi9998
Жыл бұрын
Why did have to go all the way dow to 2%???? I feel like 8 would be ok
@deltamoon2377
Жыл бұрын
to anyone who thinks it's dead: no it's dead for boss damage, you still get de original refund values from killing enemies. it's still godlike for melting chonky enemies and ads in general. Dont look at nerfs and changes in a vacuum. or just keep crying its dead like destiny players always do lol, whatever it's fine
@bjornironcock1647
Жыл бұрын
I’m having severe amounts of denial and copium, is this really not salvageable??
@freakindon5710
Жыл бұрын
As long as they come for bonk titan next.
@superman15922
Жыл бұрын
I'd say you'll just have to use it differently now. The 20% energy gain on Empowered kills basically just means Bungie wants it to mainly be used for add / major clear and not Boss dps, though my guess is, that you'll still be able to strech it out quite a bit when utilizing some specific setups. The Deep Stone Crypt weapons specifically seem like a perfect pairing, as they grant ability energy based on hit with their origin trait. My suggested setup to try out (I used this exact setup from time to time even last season) is Succession with Demolitionist & Vorpal or Firing Line + Anarchy, additionally having a Jolt on from something like Postery will definately help as well. I didn't test it yet, but with everything working together you should at the very least still be able to pump out a couple Nades and consicering, that Snipers got yet another 10% dmg buff this might actually be pretty good overall.
@BetaFish_Ray
Жыл бұрын
For how you want it to work on paper, I don't think it's going to work. Some times there are hidden timers for ability regen and with how bad it got hiroshima/Nagasaki-nerfed, it's going to be a miracle for people to still use it regardless of how to make a post-nerf build. It's usage had skyrocketed because of solar 3.0, specifically because of the one aspect that gave fusions a second explosion and now the aspect is the same while the exotic that benefitted the most from it got dunked into the garbage bin.
@superman15922
Жыл бұрын
@@BetaFish_Ray I've already used it in DPS scenarios and I gotta say it's still usable. The one requirement for it to work well obviously for you to already have 2 Nades when starting dps. I start off by getting 2 Anarchys on, empty my sniper, reload with my grenade, empty my sniper again, reapply Anarchy switch back to snipe and throw another grenade to relaod it. by the end of that sniper mag I usually already had a 3rd Nade ready which allowed me to get yet another mag out before ever having to reload. 3 big boi nades are still pretty darn strong for DPS I'd say, it's obviously not even close to how it was before, I'd say it's still a good exotic overall though
@BetaFish_Ray
Жыл бұрын
@Lukas Sterrer it's cool that it may still be usable under specific conditions, but the overall usage is still not going to be the same. Very few will try to make it work and it's interesting how you made it work. I think once I get back into d2, I'll just save the armor piece for a future date.
@superman15922
Жыл бұрын
@@BetaFish_Ray oh yeah, I totally have to agree, I mean I went out of my way trying to make it work specifically 😅. Btw one thing that I forgot I also used a Posterity to apply a Jolt, I am not 100% sure if the Jolt ticks also activate it's Origin trait, but that was the thought process behind it. Either way the jolt will improve nade regen
@BetaFish_Ray
Жыл бұрын
@@superman15922 instead of a posterity, maybe using the ikelos smg may also work. I've got a crafted ikelos smg with seraph rounds, jolt, and feeding frenzy.
@andruuu4649
Жыл бұрын
People is going to hate me for saying this: "From a balance point of view it didn't make sense that a support super that makes you almost immortal also granted an absurd dps, missile titan and blade barrage hunters do a lot of dps, but they are not immortal"
@tristanwright9572
Жыл бұрын
I played and "abused" the fuck out of this build for literally an entire year and quickly thought that it should not even have the grenade regen effect. Yes this is a massive nerf, but it still has great neutral game because of how powerful fusions are on warlock.
@adrianflores1387
Жыл бұрын
It is Bungie's fault. Like Warlocks don't have a burst dps súper. Nova Bomb is cool, but it didn't have an exotic that improves the damage. Strand Super (forgot the name of it) does some good numbers, only problem being it consistency. So yeah, this chance would be good if warlocks could finally have a high damage super and not only being the well guy.
@thanhhungvo2649
Жыл бұрын
@@adrianflores1387 because the support class doesn’t do dps,they support(i know,mind blowing concept) while the dps class does dps.And t crash is irrelevant without Cuirass,a hotswap exotic
@mrlunar62
Жыл бұрын
@@thanhhungvo2649 there is no such thing as support or dps class. Because void hunter is also support but it also has one of the best burst damage out of all of the supers.
@ryanl8312
Жыл бұрын
If you think you're immortal in a well at anything above hero, I got real bad news for you. You are nowhere near. Go stand in master Rhulk in a well and see how long you're immortal for.
@coffeeclubcollective
Жыл бұрын
im a hunter main but damn that was a brutal nerf and it should really have been just to 10% it kinda took away a fun build for warlocks
@russellmcgibbon6187
Жыл бұрын
Nerf hammer swings continuously in bungies hands
@thecockdepartment2543
Жыл бұрын
and now sunbracers has taken its spot
@thanhhungvo2649
Жыл бұрын
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no it wont,solar grenades are not nearly as potent and versatile as fusion grenades. The hierarchy of warlock grenade exotics go as sfp>verity>bracers for a reason
@Mia-Bunny
Жыл бұрын
@@thanhhungvo2649 Dude they do more dmg then fusions and stay longer for addclear the are by far stronger
@Kanudee
Жыл бұрын
@@Mia-Bunny in very few situations where the boss just does not move also sunbracer and not giving fast ball and the extra 2 seconds of duration rn
@maxjohnson2847
Жыл бұрын
A lot of people are saying that its still fine for ad clear now but the problem with that sentiment is that there are so many other options for that in the game already and most of them do it better to a point that its not really worth even mentioning. It also, at least in my opinion was one of the only reasons warlocks didn't just feel like a well slave in high end content, just sticking them with a div and saying, "here boost our numbers for us". And now with this nerfed to such a degree I find myself going out of my way to run well as little as possible because being shoved in the corner and watching everyone else for lack of better words "do the thing" got really draining. other people may disagree but, R.I.P. starfire, nuked into oblivion.
@julioforessi1336
10 ай бұрын
My thoughts exactly. Unlike the other classes you HAVE to run solar and well in dps, but there's just not enough in that subclass for warlocks to be enjoyable. Sunbracers are a neat exotic, but the set up always bothers me to a point where I might as well just braindead run the stag and become the most blunt and mid character in the history of this game.
@homero9899
Жыл бұрын
Bungie needs to learn that nerf doesnt mean to kill the thing
@tacoblackmanofthegreatchor4282
Жыл бұрын
And had the audacity to give it a beautiful ornament
@AdzPower
Жыл бұрын
Wow they really just went full scorched earth on it.
@TITANa.k.a.RADIATION173
Жыл бұрын
You guys need to relax until they adjust the overnerf 😅
@LetsGoGaming1980
Жыл бұрын
Cant believe they have basically buried this exotic, I can understand the nerf but it was overly harsh should of been maybe 8 instead of 2.5, now it's just going to gather dust in people vaults, u til they change it again - which they no they will
@CurryBoy17
Жыл бұрын
Why was it nerfed to the ground when they could simply rework it liek they did with many exotics for this season? Like give it a "While standing in an empowering rift your solar weapons apply scorch and your fusion grenade explodes 3 times" or something like that...
@im_jjp
Жыл бұрын
bc it's the warlock class😂 there's no logic to it but it's warlocks soooo(i'm a warlock main)
@Au-Li-
Жыл бұрын
Its not nerfed to the ground, it’s fine
@skaz7223
Жыл бұрын
@@Au-Li-its hot ass wdym 😭
@CurryBoy17
Жыл бұрын
@@Au-Li- You're right, using this exotic to kill grasp of avarice ads or EDZ ads is perfectly fine
@Au-Li-
Жыл бұрын
@@skaz7223 if you have any understanding of this game, you’ll realise it is in a good spot now
@blueveil3277
Жыл бұрын
When they announced the nerf to 5% I thought it was too much. What they did? Reduced it again to 2.5%. And also dropped an ornament. Everyone will surely expend their Silver now.
@Rabavilas
Жыл бұрын
I thought they'd nerf it not completely murder it... well, back into the vault it goes
@R_Amm
Жыл бұрын
Pour one out for SP
@johnfranklin6707
Жыл бұрын
Bro you can do more damage then just the witherhoard…. Yes the nerf is huge but you ca. throw about 3 grenades in that ogre damage phase if you shoot your other guns.
@raianmr2843
Жыл бұрын
Having to actually play the game as a warlock challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
@SunSun-sk4si
Жыл бұрын
I was actually having a good bit of fun with it alongside phoenix dive (which admittedly is worse than using healing rifts, but it *is* fun :p). You don't get the grenade refund from empowered weapons, but you do get your full class ability back upon getting kills with your grenade, and between powerful attraction complemented with bomber, innervation, and orbs of restoration, you can get so much grenade energy back that you don't even necessarily need empowering rift to make decent use out of it. It's not the boss killer that it once was, but it's still *very* potent for neutral game add clear, pairs incredibly well with add-clear demo weapons, and you can still get two free demo reloads on rockets with that extra grenade charge if you still want that dps utility.
@discipleofthelorentz
Жыл бұрын
well now it’s just useless
@darthnater6204
Жыл бұрын
It’s like you don’t even have the exotic on
@jacobwithak6915
Жыл бұрын
that cool down is offensively slow
@mun123keet
Жыл бұрын
Yea, no. This nerf overdid it. I was waiting for the nerf to go live before judging it but this is terrible. Going from 20% to 8-10% would have been more ideal. No one is gonna use Starfire for ad clear. There are so many better options out there.
@Hero_Of_Time94
Жыл бұрын
Exactly people really acting like starfires was meant to compete with sunbracers LOL. Starfires was solely made for single target damage and thats that. Nobody will ever use starfires over sunbracers in any meaningful content.
@Kanudee
Жыл бұрын
@@Hero_Of_Time94 people acting like trinity ghoul and forbearance does not exist
@XnRz
Жыл бұрын
What are the chances they notice much less use and bump it up to 10%?
@Kanudee
Жыл бұрын
.5%
@soulretriever8630
Жыл бұрын
If only they gave it the heart of inmost light treatment one season with it before nerfing it
@2303batman
Жыл бұрын
Bungie don’t know how to properly address things. Exotic has been out for 6 years and in the 6th year it’s worth a dam lol to make it even worse they FINALLY gave us an ornament after butchering it 💀 The disrespect.
@ksgfordays8863
Жыл бұрын
Literally should only had applied to DoT and explosive damage. Why they chose this route is dumbfounding
@spynix0718
Жыл бұрын
Is Starfire Protocol still good? Short answer: No Long answer: Nope
@Au-Li-
Жыл бұрын
You’re an idiot if you think its not good
@tar244you8
Жыл бұрын
verites brow will work great then
@oxygen_mabye3959
9 ай бұрын
I feel like a comparable exotic to starfire could be lorely literally making you impossible to kill and they changed it a fair bit but nothing like poor starfire
@scarfbit7354
Жыл бұрын
They could have at least cut it to a third of what it was. Now it's just bad.
@trarusnorton7099
Жыл бұрын
We finally got an ornament doh
@yujikaisen4075
Жыл бұрын
Solargranatbuild I prefer it always
@vspirit23
Жыл бұрын
Heart of Innermost Light enjoyers: "First time?"
@amerhst1201
Жыл бұрын
HOIL is still good tho
@diamond5914
Жыл бұрын
What sucks is the fact that Bungie will sometimes take it WAY too far with these nerfs yet not nerf the other unhealthy things hard enough, resil needs another nerf overall, they overdid it with Starfire like HOIL
@MoneyBagD855
Жыл бұрын
Just use lorentz driver and you get that Grenade energy fast 🤫
@SHADOWX145
Жыл бұрын
its not even an exotic at this point
@Au-Li-
Жыл бұрын
And you dont play the game if you believe that
@Alckee6904
Жыл бұрын
@@Au-Li- and you do play the game if you believe that.
@behindyou2864
Жыл бұрын
The build still good, but its better to kill ads
@GragarTheGreat
Жыл бұрын
It’s was CRAZY overpowered before hand so bear that in mine I think it’s still a decent exotic in the right hands I’m still doing fine with it just not a god like pre season 20
@dakotadonde2432
Жыл бұрын
Its useless for DPS but its still useful for ad clear due to the whole "20% on kills" part
@HijiriSora
Жыл бұрын
id rather use sunbracers if that was the case
@fatusopp4739
Жыл бұрын
kid named “a single trinity ghoul shot”
@nicholascazmay2126
Жыл бұрын
There is no way Starfire remains a preferential option for ad clear. Too many options that are just as good or better with much less setup and risk.
@Alckee6904
Жыл бұрын
People that argue that its good for ad clear: Why not just use: fire fly dragon fly incandescent volt shot trinity ghoul risk runner thunderlord sunshot any gun with subsistence destabilizing rounds forebearance any wave frame etc
@Sjdnxincndjdu
10 ай бұрын
I’d say that star fire protocol can still work fine but sun bracers work a lot better.
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