Wasn't there some lore with the Fallen in the city about a watcher or witness?
@fubu7942
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I thought it was a given. I had put the two together and assumed that was the form he took when he was speaking to us in the black garden. It just made sense to me I guess.
@mrwoodchuck94
2 жыл бұрын
Indeed
@mystery_is_my_meaning4228
2 жыл бұрын
I have 2 separate theories. The first is that the darkness was right about the light. That the light was weak. Which when you think about it, if the traveler was strong to fend for its self, it wouldn’t run away from so many civilizations leaving them for dead just to escape darkness. And maybe once the traveler leaves and the light slowly fades away, slowly your body will go back to its state of dying slowly. A new collapse. The second theory is that when the guardians were the first to betray the light and take darkness, the traveler saw that as betrayal and when Savuthun was given the light, because she betrayed the dark to obtain light. When Savuthun took the traveler to her realm, she could control everything there, including the fact that she could have tried to take on Rhulk and kill the worms. But since we the guardian weren’t thinking, we killed her. Basically doing the work for darkness of getting rid of the traitor.
@S3Cs4uN8
2 жыл бұрын
This kinda falls through though because the Traveler immediately goes back to the Last City when you break Savathun's ritual so it clearly didn't want to be in her Throne World.
@truck-kun9827
2 жыл бұрын
@@S3Cs4uN8 I mean, the reason the traveler gave savathuun the light in the first place was because it thought she could protect the traveler better. After she “died” it probably returned because savathuun couldn’t protect it anymore.
@Gorotth
2 жыл бұрын
@@truck-kun9827 nah Only reason Savathun got light is she decieved the ghosts. She was witchqueen of deception. they fall for it. we dont know what is happening to traveler. he might just hibernating and healing and ocasionaly wake up to help us. but she was killing humans non the less. so its only natural for us to try to survive. its like coruption when they say. escape-die. so its nothing stands their way. its only propaganda for easy win. San Tzu. win the war without fighting-art of war.
@ultimaweapon2008
2 жыл бұрын
her ghost is alive.. so she's not dead
@mategido
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like the traveler was looking for the species that could weild the light to its fullest potential, so It could fight the darkness one day, when other species failed the traveler fled, but when ours failed it sacrificed himself instead of fleeing, I feel like it found the species it can trust to keep him safe; That's prob why it gave light to savathun aswell, if the guardians were not strong enough to prevent it, savathun would keep him protected in her throne world. I see that as a test, of which was stronger to protect him, and we won once again
@TorinAB
2 жыл бұрын
The ending scene in the black garden is one of the best in D2.
@Recon527
2 жыл бұрын
Still one of my favorites
@Aaryavir
2 жыл бұрын
I want to see more of the darkness talking through the ghost and us. Definitely gave me the chills during shadowkeep and beyond light
@ksims6337
2 жыл бұрын
Yass!!
@Joseph__Leonard
2 жыл бұрын
Definitely. And I wish we had more voice lines from our guardians too.
@axolon_ronyn3015
2 жыл бұрын
Next up in Cosmic court is the custody battle between the witness and the Traveler for our guardian
@nightvision6168
2 жыл бұрын
Luckily our Guardian and/or the Traveler will have a witness and a stranger around for their last will...
@ninjathis3009
2 жыл бұрын
Me fiddling with my newest world-ending device: "Mom and Dad are fighting again, but at least they keep buying me new toys"
@sweetbrown89
2 жыл бұрын
Does this mean 2 Christmases? For…science
@StasisBringer
2 жыл бұрын
Lol hope someone makes a comic of that XD. Be funny AF
@BLoud1394
2 жыл бұрын
“The witness wear darkness like a cloak.” I found this line from witch queen interesting because it implies the witness is and serves a higher power than darkness
@axe2grind244
2 жыл бұрын
It’s like they say, “everyone has a boss”.
@FrozenxDeath
2 жыл бұрын
More that the Witness wants people to _think_ it is the Darkness, when in truth, Darkness is a _force,_ not a being, and has no intentions or allegiances. The Darkness itself _isn't corruptive._ But it can be _used_ to corrupt.
@Azraelson
2 жыл бұрын
chaos?
@SymbioteMullet
2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps the Winnower works for the Gardener, usinh omnicide to break yhe cycle of the flower game There will be no final shape.
@xKapnKrunch
2 жыл бұрын
Traveler = Light Pyramid = Dark Gardener and winnower ECT ECT. The fact there is a fleet of pyramids is a little weird but we also at one point looked like we were growing another traveler. Maybe there is a dark traveler and the fleet is different.
@ChampyOnPC
2 жыл бұрын
We will be the final shape, light and dark are the tools that shapes us
@ojeda88
2 жыл бұрын
We will be the balance.... So basically we're gonna have to let Light and Darkness run a train on us for the sake of existence 😬
@JROCC205
2 жыл бұрын
@@ojeda88 😆 pause ⏸
@W.M.1
2 жыл бұрын
We already are the final shape, and we have been using the sword logic since the start; we kill everything we see, including each other using every method and tool available lol if you check total player metrics, i bet we've decimated more souls than the hive.
@williammortensen9170
2 жыл бұрын
@@ojeda88 Or just, not, you know, just destroy them both, maybe just not.
@bingo6073
2 жыл бұрын
Shaped like telesto
@anderty4088
2 жыл бұрын
It's so insane that Cayde saw so much of this so long ago. His journal messages were quite personal but in between those lines you could understand, how deep Cayde decided to lore-monger until figured out that he wants to stop. Because any step further and he would lose himself. Knowing how much he was self-centered personality loving character, he saw darkness and saw how it kills your "ME" and that is most diametrical enemy to Cayde. In the end, he knew who is true enemy and what lies ahead. Only makes you think if him going away truly was not his own choice to not give up his frail shell of body for strong mind he refused to lose on enemy terms.
@ringomandingo1015
2 жыл бұрын
Now that I think about it, did we *really* need to learn stasis? Like, was the light in any way insufficient to beat Eramis or anyone back then? I think we told ourselves it was necessary when we were tempted with darkness.
@cerebralassassin2185
2 жыл бұрын
Well it is kinda necessary so we still have power incase the traveller falls
@gebcrafter
2 жыл бұрын
Ghost wonders this too but he says he understands that its more for crowd control than direct damage, literally explaining game balance to us lol. Also the fact that we still have powers if the traveler gets shut down again
@Zuh_Hybursa
2 жыл бұрын
If it wasn't for stasis we would have died against eramis when she froze our ghost in the final battle
@W.M.1
2 жыл бұрын
In LW campaign, Zavala asks the same question, to which Eris answers that darkness is a better tool to fight certain things, like Savathun's illusions and trickery. Fight fire with fire and darkness with darkness.
@willringshaw3245
2 жыл бұрын
Gaining stasis was about the darkness tempting us to its side with new powers and showing us its strength.
@addisonsidles3618
2 жыл бұрын
when the ghost talks you can faintly here the witness's voice
@mtweddle52
2 жыл бұрын
Man, Matthew Mercer was SUCH a better voice for our Guardian than the current voice used. So much more low key emotion rather than the guy who just sounds like a murder/death/kill, boom boom pew pew shooter.
@Andrew_the_Worthy_Shield
2 жыл бұрын
The shreiker and Gaul saying "witness" have nothing to do with the witness, ant least Gaul saying the word. It would have been no different if Gaul said "behold" instead.
@SolarFlarehorse
2 жыл бұрын
My take on light and dark is that the Light is based around giving strength. The light itself was given to us, and is something inherently meant to be shared, for good or evil, and when the one giving the light isn’t around, the power stops.(Ie: The Red War) It’s based on relying on others. The Dark is based around cutting away weakness, which is mostly found out through logs about Rhulk, who we know the witness helped convince to destroy his own planet, as the connection Rhulk had to his race was perceived as weakness. It’s based around relying on one’s self. That’s not to say that beings of the dark *can’t* work together, especially since we know about Rhulk and the Witness. Just that wielders of Darkness tend to be much more individualistic and capable of handling things on their own. Of course, this is all just speculation, so who knows.
@vasillij_nexust
2 жыл бұрын
Jedi and sith hahah
@AnyBodyWannaPeanut
2 жыл бұрын
@@vasillij_nexust exactly what I thought when I read their comment!! lol
@grimascent8278
2 жыл бұрын
This comment>>> I genuinely agree with the whole idea of duality coalescence is the key
@roetheboat1
Жыл бұрын
Another way to look at it is to consider the Light as a force that furthers/promotes entropy whereas the Darkness is the opposite. Think of it being like the "Spiral" and "Anti-Spiral" sides in Gurren Lagann or the concept of "Umbral" and "Astral" from FF14. The three 'Light' aspects for Guardians (Void, Arc, and Fire) could be seen as variations of entropy. On the other hand, 'Stasis' is defined by its ability to freeze particles in place (in essence stopping entropy). It'll be interesting to see how the 'Strand' aspect works, because it could also be similar.
@stayhydrated5416
2 жыл бұрын
When we're about to be frozen and a voice speaks "look within, focus your power" perhaps that's the traveler speaking directly to us. (No idea if this has/hasn't been confirmed/debunked I missed a large chunk of destiny 2 sadly stopped playing endish of red war and started again in season 15)
@cosmicagent5999
2 жыл бұрын
Could be
@profeserk
2 жыл бұрын
I believe that was Elsie Bray (The Stranger) as we were building our Stasis abilities through out the campaign and that moment was our crescendo.
@cerebralassassin2185
2 жыл бұрын
I thought that was Elsie talking cause that's what she told us
@stayhydrated5416
2 жыл бұрын
@@cosmicagent5999 now that you mention it, yeah that makes complete sense the va sounds identical, would've been really cool if it was the traveler tho
@stayhydrated5416
2 жыл бұрын
@@cerebralassassin2185 don't think I payed enough attention playing through beyond light ahahah
@GuigaRizzo
2 жыл бұрын
Some questions: -What does it means to be "corrupted" ? It's like, a Guardian or something, wields darkness which shows the truth and with the truth, the person becomes like full of hate? or in the same way, the truth "unlock" the evil within a wielder? -What is the relation of the Nine with all of this? We fight Taken in DoE and the species beside the Scorn. Are they the original masters of the Power to Take? Are the Traveller and Witness/Pyramids heralds of each side of the Nine? (the good and the bad) -What are, in fact, the Vex? Are they the "absolute finality" ? Cuz they are many but they are also one (collective mind). So, since the Vex can time travel, they are the Absolute Finality from different timelines where the Witness wins? -What does it means to be paracasual at all? Savathûn said that she is also Paracasual. What does it means exactly and if thats the reason that Witness goes after some beings that he identifies as paracasual, which would mean that paracasuals could stop/rule this "game" of Light and Dark, since we are kinda above all this.
@SymbioteMullet
2 жыл бұрын
My reading of the Vex is that they are the Final Shape from every previous cycle of time; when the gardener broke the game, they were cast down to being just bacteria again, and _everything_ they do is to reassert the position of universal dominence they once had. This is the purpose of the Vault of Glass; by manipulating time, the Vex hope to become fundamental to the universe, so that the universe cannot exist without them. The problem is, the Vex are Causal; they can't break the rules of reality (or, more literally, have effect without cause). So we can stomp all over them because we can break the "rules" - we are paracausal. The 9 didn't create the Taken, it appears that they're clumps of intelligentt dark matter gathered around the planets of our solar system. They're one of the least explained things in the setting so far. DoE is just for giggles imo, it's fun but doesn't actually affect the story. That's why previously defeated D1 bosses like Zydron and Crota appear there, along with the Halo, marathon, oni and other references.
@Jason-ty4dl
2 жыл бұрын
I can answer your question about being paracasual. The vex constantly are predicting the future using things like the infinite Forrest or the device that Lakshmi-2 used to see the future. These things try to predict the future and what will happen but paracasual beings cannot be predicted as their power is too unprodictable. We as guardians fall into that category as we use the light we fall outside of the laws of causality. Every time you use your super you are being paracasual as you are basically spawning something like a nova bomb out of nowhere basically space magic. The vex cannot predict this.
@Itryhardder
Жыл бұрын
@@Jason-ty4dl Close but the Vex actually started to take paracausality under consideration when making their predictive models after VOG, we whooped them and they went back to the drawing board so to speak. The Vex are basically the physical manifestation of the underlying mathematics of physics and the universe itself, patterns of statistical eventuality that have existed since before the universe existed. They will be the final shape, the eventuality regardless of what choices any of the players make. At the end of the game all the pieces go back into the same box, a Vex shaped box.
@trich742
2 жыл бұрын
My theory is the Witness, was in the black garden and "witnessed" the gardener and winnower as they struggled to co-exist. After the Gardener left, the witness learned how to wield the darkness by watching the winnower. The Witness then decided that he wished to become a fundamental force just like the light and dark, so his plan is to create his own pocket universe and take all life and planets from ours, to fill his. In this pocket universe he would be a fundamental force and he could achieve this by using both the light and the dark, which is why he chases the traveler. Also the Star Horse is the physical representation of the darkness, just like the light bird is the representation of the light.
@takenking2925
2 жыл бұрын
Except isn’t the star horse somewhat good and not tempting
@exporush7647
2 жыл бұрын
Idk if this has been talked about, but in the final encounter for the raid when we’re in the DPS portion of the boss fight, we have four different symbols we can dunk it. Light, Darkness, Traveler and Pyramid. As know throughout the raid all the symbols are actually telling a story. And I believe that goes for the DPS portion of Rhulk as well. You see, the symbols are placed in a way that follows the same ideology of what Bungie is trying to tell us in the story. There’s the light and darkness, and eventually we will have to choose what side. This is obviously the most clear comparison of the two symbols as both are even on the right side of the platform when you walk up the stairs. Now what really changes it up is on the left side. The left consists of the other two symbols, pyramid and traveler. If we were to follow the same idea and logic behind the right side on that there’s the light and dark, wouldn’t it make sense if the left side had the Traveler and the Witness? Unless what we’re led to believe about the Traveler is wrong. Maybe it’s not what’s behind the Light like we believed it to be for so long. Maybe what the raid is trying to tell us is that the Traveler is in fact the lights equivalent of the Pyramids. Something that is merely a vessel and not a being itself (that we know of, obviously). Now I know the idea of the Traveler not being the true being behind the light is not new. But I feel with this revelation this further points into the direction of that theory to be true. Especially when we put into consideration with what Savathun said about there being more Travelers out there. Now obviously we don’t know if that’s 100% true or not, but it would make sense if it were true if what I stated were to be true. Because, if the Traveler were the equivalent to the Witness, wouldn’t it make sense to have the Witness symbol be there instead of the Pyramid symbol? One last thing to add on that could be a stretch but it’s interesting nonetheless. What if the reason behind the banking of these four symbols is because it symbolizes the idea that the line between light and dark is very thin. Because if we look at the raid, we can bank at only light symbols, or only dark, or a mix of both. The outcome will be the same no matter what is correct (the outcome being that we are able to damage Rhulk).
@cadencantrell9634
2 жыл бұрын
I smell burnt toast
@williamturner9450
2 жыл бұрын
Not trying to be rude, but this has been said in videos from lore experts, as well as places like raidsecrets xD
@exporush7647
2 жыл бұрын
@@issalj2661 wasn’t rude. I wasn’t aware other have talked about it as I don’t remember everything when I watch videos. It’s why I put that in the beginning that I’m not sure if it’s been discussed.
@DerpsterIV
2 жыл бұрын
@@williamturner9450 So what???
@naryhd
2 жыл бұрын
savathun tricked darkness and sent them away from traveler, but when traveler killed gaul, the released energy reveals true location of traveler to pyramids
@thehale_
2 жыл бұрын
Caveman explains Destiny lore
@timesup6302
2 жыл бұрын
@@thehale_ lol
@aidhanroberts9028
Жыл бұрын
Woah it's almost as if there was a cutscene showing this
@spiritweird
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I can tell there is life in the darkness by all the piles of bones and bodies left behind by the darkness lol
@jacobo.6744
2 жыл бұрын
Now that we've seen the Witness, still wondering who the cloaked statues are supposed to be
@zakzm4841
2 жыл бұрын
Winnower probably
@alecmitchell5047
2 жыл бұрын
@@zakzm4841 winnower is the whitness fyi
@fallen5983
2 жыл бұрын
@@alecmitchell5047 that remains to be confirmed
@DerpsterIV
2 жыл бұрын
@@alecmitchell5047 Yeah... No. Not confirmed at all. Stop going around claiming theories as facts.
@alecmitchell5047
2 жыл бұрын
@@DerpsterIV im not. ALL evidence points to it.
@robertsinger7298
2 жыл бұрын
I much prefer the VA for the male guardians to the one that we have at the moment. Wish we I had choices on how our guardians sounds.
@johnlott9448
2 жыл бұрын
What if the Witness is the light and the Traveler is darkness. They say the darkness tells lies. What if the traveler has been lying to us the whole time.
@Become-Eggplant
2 жыл бұрын
Its like the story of the twin head serpent. One tells the truth, while the other lies, but in the end, theyre both one and the same.
@Itryhardder
Жыл бұрын
Waayyyyy back at a panel I distinctly remember a Bungie writer being asked about the true nature of the Traveller whether it was good or bad and he said some wishy washy thing about we will have to decide that for ourselves and I think it was partially because they hadn't written the whole story but I felt it was also partially a hint of sorts to the general outcome the writing would eventually get to.
@sovkhan4359
2 жыл бұрын
Just remember, if the witness can mimic you then he could do the same thing that savathun could do with Osiris. He could infiltrate the tower posing as us, possibly kill masses of people with our identity and ruin our reputation. This could be a tactic used to make the people of the city turn on us and we would have to work for the witness to survive. It’s not the most entirely outrageous theory out there because it is possible and it would be a smart move.
@Tixrok
2 жыл бұрын
He doesn't want to kill i thought..
@maruf8273
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think the battle is about light and dark anymore since it's been established that darkness can be use for good and light can be used for evil. More like good and evil.
@littlesunshine9218
2 жыл бұрын
Well, the witness and the traveler aren’t „the darkness“ or „the light“ but entities that use the forces
@soundsmith8142
2 жыл бұрын
it’s also interesting that the mural in the pyramid from arrivals had hive (obviously they worship the dark), eliksni (the house of salvation), cabal (calus’s forces that now serve/worship the dark), and humans (a faction of people who will soon convert and worship the dark in lightfall?). bungie is so good at blatant expressions of future content that we don’t necessarily recognize when we first see it
@davidneil4328
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed on so many levels. And deeper
@S3Cs4uN8
2 жыл бұрын
For the humans it could possibly be the remnants of the Future War Cult that were driven from the city after Lakshmi-2's failed coup.
@soundsmith8142
2 жыл бұрын
@@S3Cs4uN8 or nefele stronghold🤷♂️
@Epsi_TBCG
2 жыл бұрын
I still believe The Witness isn't it, like it's not the embodiment of Darkness/one of the first two beings to create the time and space. I still think there's a Gardener and a Winnower out there and maybe we might not see them in this story, but perhaps when Bungie says and beyond after Final Shape maybe this is what they mean. Like we can't just kill all of the Darkness or Light, there has to be balance for the world to be stable. Now yes we could possibly kill all these Dark beings and use the purity of Darkness to restore balance, same goes for the Light as well. I think honestly in the end we as Guardians will learn that Light and Dark are all in the same and if we can wield them together and have the power within we can restore the universe to how it once was. Perhaps that could mean when the universe was still, and was before the creation of the Flower Game? I don't know I could going way off course on this one, but I'm definitely down to hear other theories!
@S3Cs4uN8
2 жыл бұрын
The whole shtick of 'Light and Dark are one and the same, neither good nor evil' has been a recurring theme in the game since Forsaken and with the reveal of the Witness it all but confirms it to be true. The Witness has done a fairly good job of trying to make itself look like it is the Darkness in the past but on multiple occasions this charade has slipped, namely with his Interactions with Calus, leaving Darkness as this more neutral force that the Witness uses to their own, destructive, ends.
@S3Cs4uN8
2 жыл бұрын
@Yk On Correct, The Final Shape is just the end of the Light and Dark saga that started with Destiny 1. In short, The Final Shape will be to Destiny what Endwalker is to Final Fantasy 14.
@Epsi_TBCG
2 жыл бұрын
@Yk On Nope they said they all of this is leading up until a "moment" and then after said moment there will most likely be a new story which I have no idea what could happen unless time itself is reset or something like that and we get playthrough different parts of time from the lore.
@ichich44
2 жыл бұрын
If in the Story of the final shape we are progressively forced to use the darkness more and more, that would be dope
@ConsumptiveSoul
Жыл бұрын
I believe we will get a third darkness sub class in the final shape
@sweetbrown89
2 жыл бұрын
I really like the metamotif of our Ghost also voicing the Witness
@zaow82
2 жыл бұрын
I told this to my friends since i heard the Witness speak. Its a great story so far!
@marenjones6665
2 жыл бұрын
I find the "gifts" of the Darkness... odd. In the experience of the hive (if what we're read is true) then power from the Darkness must be taken. That doesn't seem to tally with these interactions. Thoughts?
@eduardojuliolasso9344
2 жыл бұрын
The main difference is that the Traveler gives the Light without any conditions attached to it. You can do as you please with it and make your own path. The Witness's "gifts" always come with conditions attached to them, whether the recipient knows it or not. In the case of the Hive, they were given the worms but many centuries later they discovered they had essentially become slaves to them. As for us, the Witness gave us Stasis because they want us to turn to the Dark, which already happened in the Dark Future and could be repeated in some form here depending on how Lightfall goes.
@durandus676
2 жыл бұрын
We are being “taken”
@conniemeerman2156
Жыл бұрын
The worm gods gifted the hive gods oryx savathun and xivu arath with immortality in return for infinite destruction I believe there is a requirement to these gifts as well
@TheManInThe5uit
2 жыл бұрын
I still don't think the Witness is the Winnower. It'd be too early to see one of the creating forces of the universe, life and death. The witness is probably similar to the Traveler and the entitities above them are probably the Gardener and the Winnower. The Witness is probably what his name says. He was there to Witness the game of life.
@mikeycityify
2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your work. Your content is solid, and based straight from the game itself. I appreciate the direct approach, thank you for keeping me up with the game and the lore itself. Your particularly extensive video from D1 all the way to D2: Witch queen, was legendary! Your content is literally superior! Unrivaled among other content creators of destiny.
@epicgaming11195
2 жыл бұрын
11:00 all i can think of is godrick saying "bear witness!" with his new weird dragon hand
@speciosae
2 жыл бұрын
I knew there was something about the way he had his damn hands.
@LucSesti
2 жыл бұрын
Those altar missions on witch queen reveal lore each week This week Savathun spoke more about the witness
@Bluezcru
2 жыл бұрын
Whenever I hear Ghaul say “ Do you see me now” I laugh cause his voice heightens 🤣
@Jester4460
2 жыл бұрын
The witness was Shaw Han
@mrwolf-jk3wg
2 жыл бұрын
The voice channeling through our ghost sounds like the witness. Never noticed.
@nickmylo8703
2 жыл бұрын
It always creeps me out when ghost gets hacked
@TimothyMark7
2 жыл бұрын
the witness wants us to weaponize the darkness to kill the light but we'll end up using the darkness and then light to kill the witness
@TimothyMark7
2 жыл бұрын
@@Name-dv4qu yep
@W.M.1
2 жыл бұрын
We will kill the witness after he kills the traveler. I dont think light and dark can be killed as primal forces, only their aspects/agents can be.
@Blue_Guardian95
2 жыл бұрын
Are you saying we’ll pull a Tassadar on him? Cause I am all behind that. Aside from the dying in the process part.
@Xiaolruc
2 жыл бұрын
"In a game where we kill the thing with Light and Dark, we're gonna kill the thing with Light and Dark." You're a wizard. tenouttaten hundredouttahundred bestpsychic
@TimothyMark7
2 жыл бұрын
@@Blue_Guardian95 probably
@Yugen777
2 жыл бұрын
4:02 If you're using somewhat high quality headphones and turn the volume all the way up you can hear someone/something with a deep voice laughing right before she touches the base.
@ionicghost1374
2 жыл бұрын
Small theory, but i think the voice sayin to look within and focus ur power was the traveler speaking to the guardian to focus the light within to break the stasis hold, stasis being a power of the dark, the witness' voice was spooky and gloomy, the female voice in the scene was more calming and sounded alot friendlier, wat yal think
@AmanojakuX
2 жыл бұрын
It's the exo stranger, who had been trying to teach us to use stasis the whole expansion.
@ethancornelius2225
2 жыл бұрын
Your edit from the we are your salvation to look within was beautiful
@dacrafty625
2 жыл бұрын
Im 2 wins away from flawless as I watch this video
@dote9018
2 жыл бұрын
Good luck
@bengamin24xx3
2 жыл бұрын
Are ya winning son?
@dacrafty625
2 жыл бұрын
@@bengamin24xx3 yea I won 😁
@dacrafty625
2 жыл бұрын
@@dote9018 tanks
@bengamin24xx3
2 жыл бұрын
@@dacrafty625 nice nicee👌💯
@igorssitvjenkins523
2 жыл бұрын
When i saw the witnesses hands together i instantly remembered that in black garden there were ships behind him and my characters hands were also together thats whne i realised he might be the witness
@Mostimaschurchpope
2 жыл бұрын
I believe the Traveler and the Pyramid Ships are both tools that the Gardener and Winnower used to shape the power they both have, think of it as a lens, they can focus raw power throught the use of said tools to achieve the objective they both have in more efficient way; hence why the Pyramid ships seem to have a will of their own and might not all be controled by the Witness. The Travaler might have it's own version of the Witness however we're yet to see it, or better, see it play it's part in the game; to this day I still think about what Efrideet said about having found survivors outside of the system, wielding the light in another way, that made me question if there's truly only one Traveler, or if the Light has more than one paracausal tool at it's disposal and we've yet to find our brothers from another entity out there.
@Pork-Chop-Suey
2 жыл бұрын
Someone in the community should cosplay as The Witness, That would be sick.
@____vVv
2 жыл бұрын
I believe, our 'salvation' the work of one of the disciples that wants to help us as well as giving is stasis is also the work of one of the disciples to prepare/help us . There could be infighting between the disciples or could be some higher purpose, like a being that is the polar opposite of the witness , maybe inside the traveller . Remember now we know : Light or dark it dosent matter
@melanderson6309
2 жыл бұрын
This is probably discussed somewhere already, but more and more I suspect that Savathun is not dead. In fact, I suspect she inhabits Ikora Rey. I base this on the memories shown over the past few weeks and how during and after Savathun's words, how often do images of Ikora Rey and Osiris appear? I'm curious to hear the feedback on this.
@qualichor1222
2 жыл бұрын
She is 100% not dead. The remains have been transported, not destroyed, and Imaru wasn't destroyed either. Basically she is just dormant, waiting to be resurrected at any point where Imaru can get to her. I actually think Ikora will turn to the dark later down the line, but nothing to do with Savathun
@melanderson6309
2 жыл бұрын
@@qualichor1222 interesting. I don't think Ikora will turn to the darkness but that's a cool topic for discussion. I do think she's very close to being disenfranchised, which isn't the same thing... you could think of it as being something similar to Drifter. Also I'm looking forward to what develops for Crow and for Osiris. Lots of moving parts in this machine these days.
@122Delta
2 жыл бұрын
Just realized something, The darkness was a gift from the pyramid. But the light, we got that from the piece of the traveler that fell off. Maybe that's how we got dark powers
@HoneyBunnies89
2 жыл бұрын
I feel we are the traveler or at least the physical form of the traveler, hence the fact we have a replica of ourselves which is the darkness as the form of you
@davidos8760
Жыл бұрын
I like how savathun has been protecting us so much at this point I am on her side
@spardaprowess3277
2 жыл бұрын
Ghost: So you think you can kill a God? Guardian: Do I have a choice?
@Defecthead
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the Traveler really "killed" Ghaul or if it spread his light seeds across the galaxy for the new aeon?
@GhOsTWOLF217
2 жыл бұрын
new aeon?
@Bullshot62399
2 жыл бұрын
What you on ?
@S3Cs4uN8
2 жыл бұрын
Considering we have a lore piece that is from the Traveler's own perspective during that moment in the Red War campaign It's pretty safe to assume the Traveler killed him.
@Overkilla692
2 жыл бұрын
@@S3Cs4uN8 What’s the lore book called?
@S3Cs4uN8
2 жыл бұрын
@@Overkilla692 Not a lore book, it's from the first half of the Radiant Accipiter's Lore tab.
@Jengatiwer4099ejej
2 жыл бұрын
I think the whiteness is the darkness version of ghoul but succeeded in his goal and was accepted by the darkness but I’m probably wrong
@kenricbourne9417
2 жыл бұрын
Yin-Yang. The Final Shape needs to a be a blending of light and dark. Light within Dark and Darkness within Light. Light and Dark are two aspects of the universe, like Chaos and Order. Both on its own have pros and cons but both blended together create infinite possibilities. It is clear that the Light is not inherently good just as much as it is clear that the Darkness is not inherently evil. True testament to good and evil are the actions of the beholder.
@mmillennial
2 жыл бұрын
Whoa. I don't think I ever saw that cutscene with Eris and Stasis!
@axe2grind244
2 жыл бұрын
I’m not a lore guy but I have never forgot that we have been face to face before. I remember Ikora being really pissed about the “salvation” remark lol.
@firefistx7477
2 жыл бұрын
The traveler wasnt running from the ad enemies we face. It was collecting us all as allies. Darkness influences us to war eachother. But we are allies. Kinda easy to see them writing that in as we are caiatls friend now and got fallen friends
@natcoo8153
2 жыл бұрын
It seems more n more that the entity , and skira, and the aphelion race, have no worry towards time and their goals. The traveler seems to fear these things and flee but they darkness are with arrogance in their manner. The Sword Logic has a defining characteristic in sadism where anything with the light go thru motions like angry Eramis, Mithtax who feared Skira, us whom are constantly worried.....
@senorzapatos9520
2 жыл бұрын
I think the hive are just recent light bearers who have died and we're resurrected by the dark. Kinda like Lord of the Ring with the urukhai
@xKapnKrunch
2 жыл бұрын
The final shape that always snuffed out the other shapes which I think was the vex. I believe has now become us. I think the Traveler stopped the vex from wiping all life by giving us light but the witness has currupted us and allowed us to become the final shape. After all the game in the darkness opinion followed the sword logic. It doesn't really matter to the darkness as long as the strongest takes everything.
@raziele92
2 жыл бұрын
Do you think the Drifter was already contacted by the Witness, or was he exclusively contacted by the Nine?
@kadarak1
Жыл бұрын
Drifter at some point get on planet with creatures that could supress Light so he probably met either Darkness or some alien race able to use Darkness but there is no info if Witness contacted with him (probably not as Darkness was in similar form of stasis as Traveler when was healing waiting for any move and action of Traveler). Then he got gift from Nine that helped him with creating Gambit.
@scottkalkouli2242
2 жыл бұрын
Theory I just came up with.... What if the darkness is actually the gardener. And the light is the winnower. The witness says that wherever the traveller goes death follows. The traveller only leaves when somebody comes to attack the civilization it chose. To continue this theory I have a question: does the traveller leave before or after the civ. Loses to the darkness? If it is after then it would make sense. Anyway carrying on. The darkness/witness has a grudge against the winnower because during "the game" the winnower stabbed the gardener. And it'd be a cool plot twist to find out the darkness is actually the gardener. The theoretical creator of the universe. Where as the machine we worshipped for so long is actually a reaper.
@occboc844
2 жыл бұрын
8:51 Use the Force Luke
@addisonsidles3618
2 жыл бұрын
i dont know if this is already known. i did't notice till wich qween but the radio in eropa camp will some times play a echo'ey verson of savathuns song. when i say echo I mean like how the possesed ghost/ witness talks kind of echo
@nekoboygamer3516
2 жыл бұрын
Stasis subclass has a learn, I read the warlock, but I need to read the titans and hunters as well. Bc idk if they have different story but, the lore really got me. I would explain it, but I think it best if y'all read it for yourself. Bc I was pretty surprised 😯
@Nothings_Shore
2 жыл бұрын
“ The Witness is not the darkness itself rather it wears it like a cloak giving it a wicked shape.” Savathun loves to give us the truth straight forward enough to make us question and doubt it as evidence. Hawkmoon should have been the piece that showed the dramatic change in her behavior as now it is proof enough that the traveler was also communicating with her as well as crow for the first time and she may even have gotten a side to the story we still don’t know about yet. What did the traveler show her aside from her former self and the emotions that drove her to her choices? Potential and possibilities…. Where will this path lead to I wonder…
@W.M.1
2 жыл бұрын
The traveler wiped her memory clean, we showed her her former self.
@Nothings_Shore
2 жыл бұрын
@@W.M.1 I know we did but Im talking about info from the traveler to her before during hawkmoon quest
@jesseritchie9282
2 жыл бұрын
@@Nothings_Shore Exactly
@xSHAD0WENx
2 жыл бұрын
we all going to forget how we heard the same voice from Crow. before he killed cyde.
@beckhamNcheez
2 жыл бұрын
6:10 are you on my desktop? Hacker hahaha. I had that from the season and had to screen shot. Great minds think alike.
@elijah5860
2 жыл бұрын
Has the reason as to why The Witness always speaks as a collective (Us, We) been found out? Aside from the "collective" appearance of its head, the line "The Witness wears Darkness like a cloak" sugest that there is possibly something stronger than him, that there is something granting him is power. What's the significance with the female cloaked statue in all the ships- where we interact with the Darkness? I'm starting to think there are 2 beings involved The Witness and a more feminine being, possibly something equal to or greater than The Witness? I only speculate stronger seeing as we only ever come across a feminine statue.
@richpalumbo2327
2 жыл бұрын
Good point! I find it interesting that when The Witness speaks you can clearly hear a female voice saying the same words...
@Kjf365
2 жыл бұрын
In the game Xcom 2 it was revealed the aliens oppressing earth were actually terrified of some other power bigger than themselves, and were actually looking for some race that would solve their inadequacies in order to fight them. I wonder if the witness is actually looking for something similar
@mainsails2892
2 жыл бұрын
the hands thing is a good detail
@scummiest
2 жыл бұрын
Finally that cutscene is being mentioned. After Legendary Witch Queen i kept seeing that cutscene
@hmmdoh7835
2 жыл бұрын
It’s Mr. Burn from the Simpsons, I can hear him saying Excellent!
@Kespi95
2 жыл бұрын
I think the quote by calus is more of bungie refencing Fredrick Nietzsche rsther than talking of the witness. Or maybe both, but definitely a reference to Nietzsche
@crealiuss
2 жыл бұрын
In one of the ending voice lines for OG Levi he says beyond your fineable light
@Lashard89
2 жыл бұрын
I think the darkness is telling the truth. The light(traveler) takes your memories every guardian doesn't not remember there past lives, pawn to fight a war you know nothing about as with the darkness gives you knowledge but as the cost of corruption
@ItzOli
2 жыл бұрын
05:39 That's a pretty strong Scholar's Cradle. I'd listen to what they have to say.
@SymbioteMullet
2 жыл бұрын
The Witness is working at a differemt goal to the Winnower... The Winnower wants the perfect, most suvivable form of life to succeed. This is the final shape; the final shape of life. (The Vex, as sentient bacteria, were the previous Final Shape, or at least that's my reading of it) The Witness seems to just be utterly omnicidal, Rhulk talks of their goal being "perfect oblivion" rather than "perfect form" or similar. Something just doesn't add up here, the Witness has a lot of mystery still to resolve.
@madlad3192
2 жыл бұрын
we gonna brush past ghaul's embarrassing voice crack in that final cutscene lol
@Hexgg
2 жыл бұрын
I never put that together that we met the witness already
@apswindall
2 жыл бұрын
What if whatever is inside the Traveler was a Darkness defector, explaining why the Witness is adamant in finding it and securing it?
@The_0G_Chad
2 жыл бұрын
Savathun says “he has 1000 names but I only knew him from one, The witness” Do you guys think he is a reaper type character? Remember the reapers for Mass Effect? When they destroyed worlds, they would take all the humans or beings from one world and turn their biomass into a reaper. The literal beings they were defeated enslaved and then harvested or turned into the giant AI robots with an enslaved the next planet and so on… The witness looks to me like he collects each of the last survivors and add them to himself. The ultimate collector or taking King. Each one of those people in his head might be the last survivor of a race.? That would make sense why He had 1000 names… and maybe he was witnessing the extinction of each race? That’s why he says we….? Either way I think the traveler is the one that got away. The one he needs to merge with to end this all. If you were somehow compelled to stump out each race nothing would bug you more Than the one that got away.
@DJET723
2 жыл бұрын
I keep forgetting that shadowkeep was just about the last time we had 3 separate voice actors for our male guardian
@garrettviewegh677
2 жыл бұрын
We’ve been introduced to morally grey characters like Eris Morn, Drifter and Elsie Bray, and now us, and other Guardians are embracing this grey ideology of viewing Light and Dark as tools of neutral, primal forces used by us. While the “morality” part falls under the Witness and the Traveler that follow the principals and ideologies of the Light and Dark. The status que has changed, we are no longer Guardians of Light, but rather of humanity and our new allies. Even if we must go as far as defying both the Witness and Traveler if they choose to use us as pawns. I’d like to meet more morally grey characters like Shin Malphur, Shayura, or Ashia. I wonder how Shin would react? Would he be open minded enough to follow this new grey outlook of using the light and dark in balance? Or would he still be set in his ways despite learning this new clarity on Light & Dark from Dredgen Yor?
@Riceegee1
2 жыл бұрын
The first time you see the witness...it puts its hands together and does not take them apart...until he is truly revealed in which queen...it comes through with its hands together and then starts to pull its hands apart...its just a weird to me how bungie made the character move in continuation with how he was first seen it to the ending cutscene of witch queen
@PeakFilmClipz
2 жыл бұрын
Goooooddddd, let the darkness flow through you guardian
@ConsumptiveSoul
Жыл бұрын
Yes we already use it I can wait for the third darkness subclass
@ustedabdullahi9676
2 жыл бұрын
Here is my theory for the witness, remember those people in the water in the vision to the shard of the traveler, during the red war? What if those were the same people on the witnesses head
@jaked4398
2 жыл бұрын
What if the witness can morph into anything, which is why it has a guy and girl voice, several faces, and has like 8 delayed body parts when it moves
@ivantirado8233
2 жыл бұрын
The pyramid in the mood was always there and was left behind? How did no one know or find it until now wtf
@Feedbackking13
2 жыл бұрын
My question is, the traveler represents many, like just the word many. It's a sphere and has infinite sides and yet has but only 3 races representing it, the darkness seemingly has infinite races representing it in many different forms. Could it be that the darkness spoke to the speaker and told him a variation of what the light represents, close enough that Savathun was able to gain its power in her death... since devotion and bravery are but one thing, or maybe we can never hope to comprehend it's power.
@crxmsey6017
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like in the coming seasons were going to learn that it really isnt about light or dark anymore and that there is a bigger problem which is the witness
@timbrykkk
2 жыл бұрын
It would be a fairly know motive to have evil as sth very overwhelming and good as sth frail. Evil seeking power, good seeking less obvious, more subtle motives - often spread out on a controversial plot, e.g. leaving certain species. Just my thought. All in all I think this is a great plot and I am super curious how they will pull it all together!
@RandomGuy-ci9nt
2 жыл бұрын
I mean it was kind of obvious to me after the witness put their hands together
@relwofkram6984
2 жыл бұрын
I said it once, I’ll say it again: I believe that the Traveller was once a Pyramid, but changed. Or maybe the other way around, the Fleet were all once beings like the Traveller, but decided to follow the Witness with the Traveller being the only one to not do so. It would explain why Guardians have the potential inside them to wield stasis. There is no “light” or “dark”, just paracausal power from universal gods. It’s the same power, just different titles.
@therandomblackguy1983
2 жыл бұрын
Lol I came here to say exactly this. XD
@RoverCaptain
2 жыл бұрын
I just noticed then that the Moon Pyramid’s tractor beam is in the shape of a ghost
@FiftyYen1
2 жыл бұрын
Anybody peep it was Rhulk talking to us in the whisper mission?
@NickHBOhio
2 жыл бұрын
I have a theory.. that the light can’t exist without the dark, and the dark can’t overcome the light because there can’t be only one no matter how much the dark and light fight for control. I think in light fall the traveler leaves us, like it has been doing for years. So we turn to the darkness but still use it just like we have been using the light
@shadowstep8953
2 жыл бұрын
Nezarec is the final shape believe it ✌
@CaptainPilipinas
2 жыл бұрын
'the *[Darkness] Corrupted* us for Years-'. 'way a fudging go.' - another's words to fit at this Purposefully Latefulness.
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