bro what tf kind of video is this?? he talked about the moist and sneako stream for only like 6 mins and then the rest of the stream was nothing LMAOOOO
@Nazzul
2 ай бұрын
Clickbait
@teewhyeee
2 ай бұрын
@@Nazzul gaybait
@j.zoe7411
2 ай бұрын
Typical lnod content, it's why I unsubbed from his channel.
@keys5595
2 ай бұрын
@@j.zoe7411yet you’re still watching his videos? 😂
@j.zoe7411
2 ай бұрын
@keys5595 I'm unsubbed, not completely blocking his channel, and yes when I see a video about destiny with a title that interests me, I click on it without seeing who posted it.. it didn't take long for me to stop watching after I realized.. It's like you can't comprehend completely normal behavior.
@mihos11
2 ай бұрын
I love 3 minutes of the title being in the video and the rest being random stream stuff
@youtubehandle102
2 ай бұрын
ty. skimmed through and never went back to it. your comment the goat
@BonShula
2 ай бұрын
Click baited
@yajy4501
2 ай бұрын
It’s like a Destiny mystery box
@wiredvibe1678
2 ай бұрын
I hate it
@Lynn-iw2ds
2 ай бұрын
thankfully thats the part i cared the least about, sneako has less dialogue options than the average oblivion npc
@RoyRoyce_
2 ай бұрын
This video should be titled " destiny analyzes Dr K's reprimand" because ots like 95% of the video and we only see charlie and sneako gor like 3 minutes.
@Xuuyan
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, I’m getting slightly annoyed with August “Click Baiting” on titles.
@SigWahrheit
2 ай бұрын
Can someone explain to me the whole board and Dr K thing again, it's very confusing. Feel free to be as elaborate as possible
@hammurabi_suman7152
2 ай бұрын
Moist Critical and Sneako get more views.
@Xuuyan
2 ай бұрын
@@hammurabi_suman7152 yeah? that’s the point of the initial comment… that the title is clickbait
@hammurabi_suman7152
2 ай бұрын
@@Xuuyan yeah? I reiterated.
@maxandrews9811
2 ай бұрын
Great title man! Really gave me an idea of what the video would be about
@PaigeBee
2 ай бұрын
😂
@sarinat3101
2 ай бұрын
"Why is incest wrong" "because that's how you get JD Vance" lmaooo
@LoneWulf278
2 ай бұрын
😂
@FoggyLungz613
2 ай бұрын
Amazin
@Malum_In_Se
2 ай бұрын
@@sarinat3101 I think that’s one of the most well thought out arguments I’ve seen on the subject. Thank you for your deliberation in this discourse.
@ozzylepunknown551
2 ай бұрын
Charlie should've just said that it's wrong because its "unhealthy"
@Joe-in2kp
2 ай бұрын
**Takes deep breath** Incest is generally considered unethical, even in cases where no offspring result, because it undermines the fundamental purpose of the family unit. Families are meant to provide security, psychological development, emotional stability, and self-worth. Introducing sexual relationships within the family can compromise these essential purposes, leading to broader negative impacts on society and the individuals involved. Consent between parties does not justify the act, much like mutual agreement to self-harm would still be considered wrong. Additionally, incest is seen as unnatural not just due to its rarity in nature, but because it contradicts fundamental principles of health and survival. The long-term harm it can cause outweighs any short-term pleasure, leading to a net loss in both health and well-being, similar to the effects of drug addiction. The morality of incest can also be context-dependent. For instance, if humanity were facing extinction and the only available individuals for reproduction or intimacy were relatives, the moral boundaries might shift. In such a scenario, incest might be considered a lesser evil compared to the extinction of the human race or never experiencing real intimacy or parent-hood. This logic of morality can also extend to age and relationships. Historically, age differences in relationships were less scrutinized due to the limited availability of suitable partners and shorter life expectancies. In small, isolated communities with few options for partners (Specially when you add social class divisions), a 25-year-old being paired with a 16-year-old might have been considered more acceptable, and in that environment probably even healthy. However, in modern society, with greater means of travel, communication, and longer life expectancies, such relationships are viewed as inappropriate and unneccesary. This is because there are many more suitable and age-appropriate partners available, making less ideal options more morally objectionable. Ultimately, these considerations highlight how morality can be influenced by the state of the environment and available options, emphasizing the importance of context in ethical discussions. Morality is not fixed, it is context dependent with a few values that may be constant.
@Brokentigolbuscuits
2 ай бұрын
I like this argument
@TophinatorStreams
2 ай бұрын
Nice opinion. Some of it makes sense, while a bit of it is how you were either taught to see it or just how you feel overall. While disagreements are invited, it’s overall a fine point. Good work
@Brokentigolbuscuits
2 ай бұрын
@@TophinatorStreams same
@hughjanus4665
2 ай бұрын
Ok chat gpt!
@Bminutes
2 ай бұрын
Sneako: Why is incest wrong? Destiny: Think finance and derivative markets.
@lastsonshine
Ай бұрын
debate god
@DemothHymside
2 ай бұрын
My guess, regarding why lying isn't legal, is because outside of pointing to an instance where lying caused great harm, all of us lie about so many things, as well as make mistakes, that it would absolutely destroy the judicial system as they tried to parse through 50 billion cases a day, and then there would be massive outcries of unequal enforcement.
@Bababaaaa
2 ай бұрын
Yeah this is the obvious answer. Edit: I don't mean that as an insult 👍
@Malum_In_Se
2 ай бұрын
Destiny- “Sneako what should the age of consent be?” Sneako-“Idk at a developed age”…. Sneako later- “When the age of consent was 10 it was fine?”
@TurtleChad1
2 ай бұрын
Both sneako and moist are wrong about different things
@Malum_In_Se
2 ай бұрын
@LolaNiky bot
@ozzylepunknown551
2 ай бұрын
Sneako said that in order to illustrate that laws made by governments are arbitrary and change, where as the laws of nature (aka BIOLOGY for example) remains the same throughout time. Sneako then defined, with biology, that children are people who are physically and cognitively immature. Then he defined adults as people who are physically and cognitively mature. Maturity is an adjective, it's a spectrum, it doesn't begin and end at a specific age.
@Malum_In_Se
2 ай бұрын
@@ozzylepunknown551 I’m not saying anything about this debate other than the quote. I simply think it’s funny that Sneako wasn’t able to answer like this previously. But yes please give a my synopsis* of what you saw! XD
@Malum_In_Se
2 ай бұрын
@@TurtleChad1 k?
@blobbb
2 ай бұрын
lmao Sneeko starting to sound like a youth pastor. Holy fuck.
@LSDdreams808
2 ай бұрын
He sounds hella lame I think destiny was right
@dingus6317
2 ай бұрын
He is sounding like his prophet
@Levi-zr4dq
2 ай бұрын
Atheist*
@silentraisin
2 ай бұрын
Sneako gonna catch a case this year, I feel it in my bones
@eddyimplementredux
2 ай бұрын
It's only a matter of time
@Skibbityboo0580
2 ай бұрын
"Your Honor, do you believe incest is wrong, where do you get YOUR morals??"
@Jonathan-tw4xm
2 ай бұрын
I think he might but his points went over your head. I don't agree with him but I don't believe that certain things are wrong like 16 and 19 being in a relationship or 14 and 17 or 20 and 16.
@moriderschowitz5020
2 ай бұрын
'inb4 'The matrix is after me''
@eddyimplementredux
2 ай бұрын
@@Jonathan-tw4xm I don't watch anything he does exclusively, but every time I see him talking it's about age of consent, it's a bad look, if you cry about trans stuff all day I'm gonna assume there's T porn in your search history
@Jobe-13
2 ай бұрын
Sneako was being so extremely SUS when debating Moist. Making really weird moralistic defensive arguments for marrying or having coitus with pre-pubescents.
@og666
2 ай бұрын
if he doesn't defend aisha's marriage he'll lose his audience
@LoneWulf278
2 ай бұрын
It’s no surprise that a Cuties defender is a PDF-filia defender.
@insertnamehere4742
2 ай бұрын
He's projecting hardcore, bro probably had to change his underwear after reviewing Cuties. Nasty ass
@17jahbh
2 ай бұрын
Idk man your insistance on mischaracterization of his beliefs is a little SUS and WEIRD. I dunno if this is it MAN.
@c.karnstein3299
2 ай бұрын
Most normal Muslim behaviour
@gregorymurphy6115
2 ай бұрын
sneako is making the SAME fucking argument as haqiqatjou- this worries me. If sneako is watching haqiqatjou and taking on his sorts of teachings... we watching an extremist get fucking built.
@willbritannia5217
2 ай бұрын
He’s watching and talking with Mohamed Hijab… He’s already been built.
@YousufS16
2 ай бұрын
@@willbritannia5217 Religious Harvard graduate vs Atheist Wikipedia graduate
@richardhands904
2 ай бұрын
Pedoapologia @@YousufS16
@SabracadabrO
2 ай бұрын
@@YousufS16You got”religious DEI Harvard graduate”wrong..,& what a waste of money that degree was for whoever paid for it..😂
@Dogan_TM
2 ай бұрын
Watching a To Catch a Predator subject develop in real time
@emmanuelabalihi5747
2 ай бұрын
How do you lose to Sneako in a debate in ALL MIGHTY 2024?
@pr1sm55
2 ай бұрын
Both are fking lunatics.
@ClintStone-t9m
2 ай бұрын
Seako is doing the online debating thing since years. If he throws enough debate bro tactics at someone like Charlie, eventually, he'll not be able to form a rebuttal. Also Charlies' take on this ( or at least his reasoning, but not necessarily his conclusion) is kind of bad, so it's not that hard to beat him on this point
@alim5549
2 ай бұрын
Bro he’s had a LOT of practice at this point. And Charlie not that clever.
@lilbulgarianog3396
2 ай бұрын
Charlie is literally your avg guy, he also doesnt debate
@Jonathan-tw4xm
2 ай бұрын
@@lilbulgarianog3396 Charlie defended children getting life altering surgery for transgender stuff. He lost the debate the moment he did that. If he didn't he would have at least won the majority of it.
@WrdtoMuva
2 ай бұрын
Sneako kinda exposing the real Charlie. He doesn’t mean anything he says and just panders
@matts8021
2 ай бұрын
I think its more just he's not the type who has thought deeply about his guiding philosophy/principles so he got exposed a bit by sneako whom say what you want, has been engaging in these kind of debates for awhile. I don't think he's deliberately pandering or doesn't believe what he says.
@meowser1905
2 ай бұрын
Why are you more worried about that than Sneako basically outing himself as a pedophile?
@Jacob-dk4gt
2 ай бұрын
He's the ultra centrist who is motivated by not wanting to offend anyone
@blackhat4206
2 ай бұрын
@@Jacob-dk4gt Well, he did just offend a lot of people who don’t think a child should be allowed to consent to transition when they aren’t mentally mature enough to understand the long term consequences. I dare say, that is likely the majority of people.
@Sunset2073
2 ай бұрын
Charlie is an average person who was pretty lucky, all of his ideas and convictions have the same foundation as anyone else you encounter in your everyday life. I don't know what you people are trying to pretend when you make these kinds of comments as if you are better or as if you forget that your families are most likely made up of people with the same superficial thinking
@joedorben3504
2 ай бұрын
Here's the issue, Sneako's condemning things like incest and then asking why Charlie does the same, because Sneako's morals come from his religion. In America, religion is untouchable. He can press Charlie for having no bases for his beliefs, because if Charlie were to do the same to Sneako, he'd just say "I believe this because Allah said so", Charlie can ask whether he has read the Quran and where in the Quran Allah said this, and likely Sneako would have no answer. But the harder you press, the more you run the risk of 'attacking someone's religious beliefs' which is one of the worst things an American can do, so he is forced to be on the back foot and look as though he has no basis for morality whatsoever.
@TophinatorStreams
2 ай бұрын
I mean, is calling out a presuppositional appeal to religion really all that bad? It is true, so it’s not really an attack on religion, just the person for hiding behind it. Especially if it’s ever from the Old Testament, where if you wear more than one type of cloth for clothing, you’re sinning. But selling your daughter into slavery is a-okay! So, Charlie could have fought back by pointing out that cultural norms change as well as the morals attached to them. Now, when you wear socks and a shirt with some pants, you’re not being told you’ll go to hell. But we did also decide that ten years is far too young. Boom-jams.
@Russian_Waifu
2 ай бұрын
Charlie: 15 year old marrying 21 years olds is bad Also Charlie: Children should be allowed to make life changing decisions to their bodies.
@Macheako
2 ай бұрын
So I can cut off my penis but I can’t have my own maiden 😮
@pr1sm55
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, drives me mad. It's just as horrible... on one side you say a child is not developed - on the other side you say it is to make life changing decisions. FFS Both are out of their fking minds.
@aguspuig6615
2 ай бұрын
yeah, it feels like no matter the topic, when it comes to kids we gotta turn our brain off and just go with what fits the narrative of the given political side
@THEK1NGSCLAN
2 ай бұрын
Jesus Christ that was a shiitake mushroom
@Noime556
2 ай бұрын
Well, no. They aren’t the same really. As with the life altering decisions, this is backed up by data regarding effects, and if a child wishes to partake in surgery, blockers, etc. doctors, pharmacists, nurses, etc. help guide the child on their decision. Meanwhile, with adults marrying children, who exactly is guiding them? Telling them the effects of what this decision would cause. Conclusion being, 1 is backed by medical research data, the other is pedophilia
@nicholasg.5441
2 ай бұрын
If lying was illegal, it would stifle free speech in a lot of situations, like if youre uncertain about something you can be afraid to answer because it could be seen as a lie
@bluesh0es
2 ай бұрын
Not really. Lying requires intent. You can be wrong without lying. “I’m getting Chinese food for dinner” Comes home with Italian food instead “Honestly I walked right by the Italian place and it just smelled so great, I had to have this delicious pasta a la Carbonara instead of Chinese!” Is not a lie. Hey Timmy, what did you do on your birthday last Saturday?” “Well, we wen to Starbucks first and I got my favourite drink and then we went to the arcades and then my auntie called to say happy birthday and then my brother called to say happy birthday and then we went home and my family was waiting with a. Surprise party! It was so cool!” “Oh yeah? Your mum said you had birthday pancakes for breakfast before going to Starbucks!” Is not a lie. Timmy just forgot to mention it; Timmy just got excited about his favourite drink and started his telling of his birthday there, or one of many other reasons. You can be wrong about a maths equation without lying. You can misquote people without lying. Lying very specifically requires intent. If anything it might actually bolster free speech and lead to better education and an improvement in the spreading of correct information that in turn leads to more critical thinking because it forces people to qualify their answers “I am not sure about this, I have not read all the way into X, but so far here is what I know..” Instead of our current la escape in which people proudly proclaim their bullshit as truth because it sells. Honestly the entirety of social media these days have become a breeding ground for bullshit and hypocrisy. Look at the clips of Congress grilling Zuckerberg on the addictive and destructive nature of FB and Instagram, meanwhile all the politicians are doing is literally clip-farming with Gotcha’s and bullshit for them to post on YT Shorts and TikTok to gain popularity and get re-elected. It is an absolute mess that has been created..
@nicholasg.5441
2 ай бұрын
@@bluesh0es of course, but nobody wants to sit through court while they try to determine that.
@Larinx-11463
2 ай бұрын
I dont mind filler stuff at all but the egregious clickbait is starting to get on my nerves. planning on unsubbing from this channel if I see another thing like this. The use of "drop in" to imply he joins the debate on top of the sneako+critikal conversation comprising 6 minutes of what is mainly a dr k video. I've had just about enough lol
@huntercool2232
2 ай бұрын
What I love is that Charlie does get heat for this, but everyone still objectively hates Sneako. 💀💀
@AfroGaz71
2 ай бұрын
They both had really stupid takes.
@RanielEber
2 ай бұрын
Destiny is dumber than both of them and you still follow him so what gives
@DerickTherving
2 ай бұрын
Moist is entirely unequipped to have a moral philosophy conversation
@tooitchy
2 ай бұрын
Nah, he has correct moral intuition, that's all you need to rebuff this islam insanity. I don't need to perfectly articulate the moral imperative and principles underpinning why it's wrong to have sex with children, or family members, to make the case for it being illegal. Sneako trying way too hard to live like his prophet.
@TophinatorStreams
2 ай бұрын
@@tooitchyThat’s a good point, Charlie does indeed possess the intuitive sense to have the discussion, but not necessarily the vernacular of a philosopher who might be more capable to call out Sneako’s nonsense. And it would be said in a way that Sneako would have to simply accept. It might be something like, “No, Sneako. You’re coming from a non-applicable starting point; a damaged presupposition that God exists, which you would say is where you ground your morals from. But I can always come back and argue on your playing field and my God says incest/predators are immoral. Since we both have our morals grounded to religion and have come up with different conclusions, then that’s a flawed premise. Do not hide behind it because you can’t be bothered to properly defend your points.”
@_ogzay
2 ай бұрын
A 180 day ban for being wrong is insane 😭
@slykeren8371
2 ай бұрын
Its a 180 day ban for being regarded. What that guy said was really fking dumb
@m1lkbags
2 ай бұрын
Tbh I dont know why all streamers dont just perma ban people. Would make so many shitty chatrooms better
@crocodilepoet
2 ай бұрын
My reason for why incest is bad is that romantic relationships within families can lead to offspring with genetic problems, which could taint the bloodline. We, as humans, find incest disgusting and immoral primarily because it increases the likelihood of a child inheriting adverse illnesses or disorders. Even if a blood-related couple doesn't intend to conceive, the risk of such outcomes remains.
@PaigeBee
2 ай бұрын
What about gay incest or incest when conceiving a child is absolutely impossible? What then? ….
@crocodilepoet
2 ай бұрын
The taboo around incest likely persists because our minds associate it with the potential harm to a bloodline. The mere possibility of someone engaging in such behavior, regardless of the outcome, is appalling to many people. For instance, if you had two brothers and discovered they were in an incestuous relationship, you might find it immoral because you recognize the act as overwhelmingly negative due to the reasons mentioned, regardless of whether any actual harm occurs. Perhaps my reasoning is flawed, and in a very detached sense, if two consenting adults of legal age were in an incestuous relationship with no risk of harm to another life, it might be acceptable. In short, any kind of incest tends to carry a lot of heavy baggage.
@PaigeBee
2 ай бұрын
@@crocodilepoet right. And as a society who has decided that incest is bad for society, it wouldn’t help to make exceptions like the ones I stated, that would create a slippery slope toward normalization of it if we carve out these very particular exceptions.
@crocodilepoet
2 ай бұрын
@@PaigeBee Yes, thank you for this discussion. I feel motivated to delve deeper into ethics. I'm starting to realize the many angles one could approach this topic from. For example, a consequentialist might argue that the relationship between the brothers is not morally wrong since there isn't a negative outcome. On the other hand, a utilitarian might argue that the relationship is good because it produces pleasure for the individuals involved, at least until someone else becomes aware of it, at which point it may cause distress or disturbance.
@WeirdSmellyMan
2 ай бұрын
@crocodilepoet You wouldn't say homosexual relationships are wrong simply because there are people that are disturbed by it. Same should go for incest.
@RealmRabbit
2 ай бұрын
Edgar Allan Poe married his cousin who was thirteen while he was twenty-seven... I think the Victorian England had it at age twelve with parental consent, but also in Scotland it was without parental consent... The Victorians also DID notably have very different views on this stuff than we do now, like back then they had lots of babies and young ppl without clothes on birthday cards and everything since it was symbolic of 'purity' and 'innocence' (If I had to guess this'd be a perception relating to the whole tabula rosa idea but could be wrong)... That's also why Lewis Carroll often gets called a 'pedo' just because he had a bunch of photographs he took of people not yet of age who were in various states of undress including having nothing... (That and also his friendships with various young people including Alice Liddell who he had favoritism for it seems, BUT there is absolutely no evidence it was anything beyond platonic and idk if he photographed her or not)... There's really no evidence, it kinda seems like Lewis Carroll was just a product of his culture and the times and the accusations just come from an age well after he died where psychologists decided to go trying to diagnose a bunch of historical figures with different mental states despite not being able to really talk to them given they had died... And these psychologists don't always have a good understanding of Victorian or other cultures... Anyway, ten is definitely quite young though even by like Medieval standards... I am sure there were examples of it that happened, but also it wasn't the norm... People were generally waiting for a woman to reach puberty and women generally would not reach it at that young age (even more so back then, unlike now where it's becoming more normal for earlier puberty)... Additionally, while people tended to draw the minimum line at puberty, it was typically not till they were adults that they'd actually be married as the norm... So like, while you could perhaps marry a person who is like twelve, people would still potentially see it as a bit weird... Especially if its your cousin or something, it's like, sure, you can, but just kinda weird... That's pretty much my understanding from how I've looked into it...
@CaptainAnonymous
2 ай бұрын
Don't even change the title. Just delete the video. This is grossly misleading.
@JustAPriapism
2 ай бұрын
Mad? :tf:
@BeauxJackson
2 ай бұрын
You’d get further in a conversation with a wall than you would with Sneako.
@phishdough
2 ай бұрын
The derivative chart that Destiny drew is exactly why not all hypotheticals are valid. Idk why but online debate bros think that they can come up with the most logically nonsensical scenarios to inflate their bad arguments and when you can’t engage with it they immediately think you’re being bad faith because “what? You can’t engage with simple hypotheticals?” Vegan Gains does this with Destiny a lot.
@John-nb6ep
2 ай бұрын
Hypotheticals are always part of a debate, to contrast worldviews. There's nothing bad faith about it. unless the hypothetical was invalid.
@tooitchy
2 ай бұрын
@@John-nb6ep He didn't say hypotheticals are bad faith, or shouldn't be part of debate... he literally said "is why not all hypotheticals are valid"
@tooitchy
2 ай бұрын
TRUE. I notice constantly that people craete the most insane hypotheticals to try and get a "gotcha" moment, yet their hypothetical is so far outside reality that it isn't even found in a parallel universe.
@John-nb6ep
2 ай бұрын
@@tooitchy He edited his comment.
@tooitchy
2 ай бұрын
@@John-nb6ep what a sly bastard
@mrsquirrelmrsrabbot8430
2 ай бұрын
Destiny spent more time raising Sneako than his own son smh
@owlson2527
2 ай бұрын
Mods crush this dude
@Macheako
2 ай бұрын
@@owlson2527😂😂😂 wtf is wrong witchu
@ChiTownOriginator
2 ай бұрын
@owlson2527 why? It's true
@ProxiProtogen
2 ай бұрын
@@ChiTownOriginatorit's a Low tier god meme
@wedoalittlemonkeybusiness6545
2 ай бұрын
@@owlson2527mods rotate his balls counter clockwise
@HistoricaHungarica
2 ай бұрын
The age of consent is January 6. Which is a girl's Cholakian.
@blackhat4206
2 ай бұрын
Praise Egon.
@tuukka1827
2 ай бұрын
Define January 6.Fuck you did it
@aguspuig6615
2 ай бұрын
9:45 i mean thats a little cope, in alot of societies women voting, homosexuality, and lots of other stuff was broadly considered bad, to a point were you wouldnt rly need to justify it, you could really bring up the ''we all agree on this, so if you disagree youre just not fit for society'', is that not a phalacy? Arent we suposed to be in a (and i mean this with no sarcasm) enlightened age, were we can actually explain why things are bad, and if we cant explain it, we cant discriminate agains those things? And i dont think something like a gay incestuous relationship between same age brothers is such a wild example that it totally flips the script, its not the same as ''what if babies werent concious''. If you really can only say ''we all agree its true'' to defend your point... That shouldnt be seen as a valid answer
@fouadayoub1285
2 ай бұрын
That's the morality pitfall; morality doesn't derive from one well-understood thing necessarily, but is often a collective conscious of opinions on something. While of course there are some things that we can understand to some extent why they should be wrong, one can always argue some cynical perspective as to why that morally wrong thing might actually be morally okay
@_Wrath_1
2 ай бұрын
I hate these videos so much where it’s literally him doing what the title says for 2 seconds and then he rants about some other thing for an hour
@slykeren8371
2 ай бұрын
The worst one was when he did that and then it was like an hour of destiny talking about cars
@windwalker000
2 ай бұрын
D is missing the point, which is testing the justification for your opponent's morality, if they go "law = morality" or "morality = majority opinion" then they got nothing
@sigmar40k
2 ай бұрын
sneako has gone completely insane lol
@SwiFTDBL
2 ай бұрын
Dude at the end of the debate sneako asked one more time SUPER specifically, - “so you think if a 9 year old wanted to FULLY transition and their parents gave consent, the kid gave consent, and the doctor gave consent, would it be okay?” And Charlie said “yes”. This statement Charlie made about not understanding the question or thinking sneako was “speaking in Hyperbole” is just a load of BS and basically just him trying to backtrack due to the backlash he’s been getting. But make no mistake, sneako asked this same question a few times VERY clearly and Charlie was saying it’s okay. His views are completely warped and he should never have kids. (For the record I don’t agree with sneakos views on the age of consent or most of his views in general)
@yoghourtBecher
2 ай бұрын
The beginning gives me that 'no Bullshit' nostalgia
@dylaroo24
2 ай бұрын
At the risk of subjecting myself to a bunch of backlash, I wanna push an idea to people and see what the responses are. So I am a 25 year old male, I was diagnosed with stage 4 nerve cancer at 5 years old. I still have cancer to this day 20 years later, I am around 5,2’ and weigh 75lbs, I look like an anorexic 14 year old. To top this off I’ve spent my entire life locked away in a room going years without seeing anyone but my immediate family, I’ve gone 10 years without having a friend I can meet in person, and no online friendship has lasted more then a year or two. So it’s safe to say I lack a ton of relationship experience, social experience, and obviously sexual experience. So I present my question: What if someone like myself dated and had sexual contact with a 16 year old? When I consider why dating a 16 year old is bad, I think of maturity. But if the other person has less life experience then a 16 year old, what is the power imbalance there? I honestly can’t come up with a single thing that I would have over a 16 year old girl, they’d have more social experience, more relationship experience, more sexual experience (even if they are virgins, most girls have kissed boys and done other small things like this, which is way more then someone like myself) more life experience in general, likely more independence, they’ll on average be taller and weigh twice my weight, they could out run with a fast pace walk and break my bones with a strong squeeze or pushing me over. So I can’t find a single thing mental or physical that I would have over a 16 year old girl. Which is obviously really sad to say, but I’m really curious what people think about this situation. For me, I probably wouldn’t just out of a general morality thing that doesn’t really have a strong reason. Maybe it’s just a societal thing and how others would view me if I did such a thing, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a vain reason like that. Since I live in Australia it’d be completely legal, but people would still give you the side eye looking at the age gap, though I bet if they saw me they’d guess I was the 16 year old and the 16 year old girl is the 25 year old given how I look younger then 16. But I am curious if anyone can give a moral reason why someone like myself shouldn’t date 16 year olds.
@Lord_Nikon33
2 ай бұрын
Dude you live in Australia get a sex worker and stop thinking about 16yo. It has nothing to do with you being stronger than a 16yo. It's about consent and decency. 16yo are still children and do childish things. You are not a child you are immature but that's not the same thing. If you really can't understand this I'd suggest thinking about it more like a lot more. And bro loose your virginity to a sex worker who has experience with disabilities and can make you feel better. You can find friends. You need to stop making excuese for not being able to. People are everywhere. Find a club, social group, something if I lived in Australia I would be your friend you just need to ask someone you think is chill hey you wanna grab a beer or hey you wanna play this game. Don't talk to kids
@narcissistichumility1269
2 ай бұрын
@@Lord_Nikon33Dear Lord, you're one of the idiots in this video that Destiny was talking about that cannot understand hypotheticals.
@Mudkip2345
2 ай бұрын
In an isolated case like yours I think you could MAYBE argue it's fine, I would still probably say no because of actual brain development, but the reasons you laid out seem arguable enough to me. However laws and societal norms are built around 99 percent of cases, and in 99 percent of cases, a 25 year old and a 16 year old is MEGA fucked. So I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that you would be looked down upon for having a relationship like that, even though individually it might be healthy.
@dylaroo24
2 ай бұрын
@@Lord_Nikon33 I figured people would read to much into this. You seem to be assuming my intentions and excuses I’m making for the situation when I’m trying to find an answer to a moral question. I’m not trying to find a way to have sex with 16 year old girls, I’m trying to find a reason why it’s morally wrong. Personally I’ve never really thought about “childish” and “immaturity” as different things. I know I do plenty of childish things, I sit around playing video games and watch shows online. That to me is one of the most childish behaviours people have. It’s hard to find work when you have no education to speak of since you were only home schooled up to 7th grade, and you sleep 16 hours a day, and are always high on methadone, hydromorphone, and weed. I’m barely functional, my entire body is a mess, it’s not like I’m considering picking up 16 year olds when I’m like this. The biggest reason I wouldn’t date a 16 year old is less of a moral reason and more of a practical one. A 16 year old isn’t gonna have the maturity to deal with my health issues, so it would never work. Next you mentioned sex workers. There are a few reasons why I don’t wanna go that route. For one it’s simply embarrassing, it’s also a moral issue for me cause I feel conflicted about paying for sex when most of the girls in my in my territory are foreigners from Asia and India who are using their bodies to pay back the people that got them into the country and also cause they don’t really have any other options. I also hate the idea of having sex with no emotional connection. If I’m being completely honest, I don’t have much interest in sex in general. I’m not some lonely incel that is desperate to get laid like you wanna assume. All I care about is having an emotional connection with someone, I don’t wanna have sex with a stranger, I wanna do it with somebody I actually love. It might sound cliche but it’s how I feel. So again, I’m not exactly gonna be going after 16 year olds for sex when I’m not even interested in sex like that to begin with. I could never be in a relationship with a 16 year old cause of my condition, so I wouldn’t be willing to have sexual contact with them. That might sound like a strange reason, and I suppose it is. But I merely put this post out to challenge both my opinions on age of consent as well as other’s. I don’t think there is anything wrong with trying to affirm your belief that having sex with 16 year olds is wrong. But people always freak out acting like it’s a secret pedophile trying to make excuses for having sex with 16 year olds.
@dylaroo24
2 ай бұрын
@@Mudkip2345 Yeah, that’s basically my position on it. I personally agree that someone like me having a relationship with a 16 year old would still be wrong. Like I said, I don’t really have a strong moral reason for why, I just have more practical ones like society would look down on me even if looking at us no one would assume there is anything wrong unless I told them I’m 25, since I look 14. That and a 16 year old would never have the maturity to handle my health issues, so I would never even consider a 16 year old just on that basis alone.
@PaigeBee
2 ай бұрын
The practice of medicine encompasses a physicians ethical duties that persist beyond the doctors office. Imagine if the board didn’t care about what doctors do on their own time and ignore the fact they are out there beating people up on Saturdays. Eventually, Nobody would trust doctors and the practice of medicine wouldn’t exist. They also take an oath to do no harm and that oath can’t only apply when they are “at work.”
@PaigeBee
2 ай бұрын
Just like attorneys
@Mad-Mullah
2 ай бұрын
6 mins in, and this guy is saying that "law = moral" while a 200 yrs ago slavery was allowed
@BasedMexx
2 ай бұрын
"Dan gonna do a reckful" fucking killed me in the chat
@ryanrem5123
2 ай бұрын
Does the size of the child matter? 🤔💥 - a very important and serious topic to discuss in 2024 is “the weight of consent” and why it’s more important, relevant and also way more accurate than the outdated “age of consent”.
@davidhoffman2311
2 ай бұрын
Oh yeah if they’re over 200 pounds then it’s probably fine 😂
@ryanrem5123
2 ай бұрын
@@davidhoffman2311 makes sense
@nightstarstar1
2 ай бұрын
That makes absolutely no sense.
@davidhoffman2311
2 ай бұрын
Nooooo OP why the edit? The original was fine 😭
@Jonathan-tw4xm
2 ай бұрын
@@ryanrem5123 yeah he says this because he is Muslim. If you don't believe me look up aisha age and Muhammad. You may know that
@rocknlolify
2 ай бұрын
i rarely see his chat talking about what he is talking about, i'm convinced none of them are watching the stream
@bangbangyoureaboolean1324
2 ай бұрын
I feel like I got tricked into thinking that this video was about the Sneako debate...
@GrahamSiggins
2 ай бұрын
I'm wondering about the reprimand thing, after that chatter mentioned that reprimands can be given out for things that aren't even related to medical matters. Destiny outright dismissed that but think about what they said "undermining the public trust in the medical field" or whatever that specific wording was...imagine a doctor gets a DUI, obviously they didn't do anything wrong in their practice of medicine, no rules were broken as far as their doctoring goes, but that would also obviously undermine the public's trust in someone that the board is responsible for licensing. Similarly with Dr. K, it could be that he didn't break any rules in his dealings with Reckful, but the fact that he did such a public spectacle with someone who ended up killing themselves could and did undermine at least some of the public's trust in a board certified medical professional. Not the same as getting a DUI, but hopefully you get the point. He didn't do anything wrong per se but his actions resulted in a chunk of the public distrusting doctors, so he was reprimanded for it.
@ThisVideoAnnoyedMe
Ай бұрын
Why do you feel the need to hide this Dr. K video and totally mislabel it?! The Sneako thing is only like 5min of this otherwise 1hr long video! STOP DOING THIS!
@shamrokz95
2 ай бұрын
watches a 10 minute video explaining how they went through all his content and found ZERO issues... proceeds to go on a 5 minutes paint rant about how he did something wrong OMEAGLUL
@SeiryuNanago
2 ай бұрын
If I had to guess, the issue was probably the whole "Not therapy btw Kappa" and since the healthy gamer team made this a lot clearer with the interviewees and with the public, it is not an issue anymore.
@fouadayoub1285
2 ай бұрын
The logical fallacy destiny is thinking about is the "independence fallacy", where we imagine two variables (the y-axis on the graph) as changing in a manner that is statistically independent of one another, while in reality, the probability distributions that determine how each variable changes are correlated. That's a pretty interesting thing to point out.
@alexmajax
2 ай бұрын
1800: The age of consent was seven years old, intended to protect girls from sexual exploitation. 1880: The age of consent was 10 or 12 in most states, except Delaware, where it was seven. 1885: The age of consent in Delaware was still seven. 1899: The age of consent in some jurisdictions was nine
@Russian_Waifu
2 ай бұрын
Destiny can't do basic research
@Hidalgoes
2 ай бұрын
The age of consent in Delaware was never 7 that’s a misinterpretation it was about defining what a child was for sex crimes against them
@kyos3yt234
2 ай бұрын
@@Russian_Waifu He does plenty on stream LMAO
@BennyBlancoNL
2 ай бұрын
What is the legal age to marry in the USA?
@3in24
2 ай бұрын
@@BennyBlancoNL in Montana on their native lands or reserves its 12 lol
@ecvsio
2 ай бұрын
7:20 for example if you were to ask someone if eating shit is okay, they'd immediately be disgusted by it and most likely say no. But the reason we're disgusted by shit is because of all the diseases it can carry. But creating a hypothetical where: "Would you eat a piece of shit if it was free from diseases, smelled great and tasted good?" The initial disgust is still there, it had a purpose - But now that the purpose is lost the feeling about the thing remains as eating shit is still bad and our moral intuition knows this. It's casting a wide net because the net almost never misses the mark as eating shit is just a bad idea.
@Drwiggles69
2 ай бұрын
Those 180 day bans were fuckin harsh lol. Destiny gettin real sensitive.
@Antara755
2 ай бұрын
The fact that debates around pdf-files exist is crazy, talking about it, sure, but debating the age of consent?????
@sirtimtim786
2 ай бұрын
You know the more are I listen to Sneako in current day, the more I start to believe that he actually suffered some brain damage from getting punched in the face. In this debate alone he used the incest tactic to try to grill him on where he got his beliefs from??? Like it’s just jaw dropping to seem him fucking miss the much more obvious and coherent conclusion (that still wouldn’t have helped since there is proof to support that sex with people under like 17-18 is bad if you’re like older than 19).
@EvanMMO
2 ай бұрын
At this point Destiny would 180 day ban someone if they sneezed too loud
@TophinatorStreams
2 ай бұрын
Yeah, he’s been a pressure-cooker ever since starting the Vyvanse. The biggest problem with treating ADHD is when it’s over-treated. I had a similar experience in HS, during a test. I took an extra pill and it was weird. I was able to choose what to hyper focus on, but if anything or anyone interrupted me, I’d just see red, get unhinged and go off, then realize nothing was actually wrong. My guess is, the trade off is pretty worth it. On meds, it’s less of a struggle to read or comprehend things. Feels too good to give up.
@findict52
2 ай бұрын
NGL, people reading the reprimand as a huge L for Dr K truly have no fucking clue what the board set out to do. It's very clear they're checking if the conduct specified was desirable and if Dr K and others should take caution when engaging in similar types of interactions with people/patients/clients. A reprimand just means "yes, you shouldn't do this thing", but they weren't saying Dr K is a danger to society, because they would have taking actions against Dr K.
@datakrasher
2 ай бұрын
glad i'm not playing a drinking game where you take a shot every time he says "my guess"
@EisernRob
2 ай бұрын
Well actually there are loads of criminal laws that punish dishonesty, like fraud for example.
@tooitchy
2 ай бұрын
That's a hell of a lot different than it being illegal to lie. Outside of perjury, and lying to congress, there is no law regarding lying. What you're talking about with fraud, is the same as contractual obligations, it has to do with the harm you're causing the other person, and in the context of a contract, the legal document is the thing you are legally required to be honest with.
@EisernRob
2 ай бұрын
@@tooitchy dude, you just mentioned another one with perjury. If you don’t know how fraud isn’t about lying I don’t know how to help you.
@tooitchy
2 ай бұрын
@@EisernRob They are legal frameworks to establish situations where lying is illegal. That's very different from the basic act of telling a lie is made illegal. In fact, you could argue the entire existence of perjury laws, fraud laws, etc. exist so that the act of lying doesn't have to be made illegal in general.
@huntercool2232
2 ай бұрын
The thing that gets me is that Sneako didn’t care about looking good or bad because he’ll always look bad regardless because he’s well… Sneako. He just wanted to make Charlie also look bad which is what ended up happening and I can’t believe Charlie gave him that. I don’t understand why he decided to debate with Sneako again in the first place? Literally nobody cares about Sneako!
@eddyimplementredux
2 ай бұрын
My grandma was married away at 12 in the 1940s, that's not too far from 10, at any rate dont be surprised when this dude gets busted for kiddie-related deeds
@bobriley000444
2 ай бұрын
August you deserve a 180 day ban for this level of clickbait
@abletobeconfused
2 ай бұрын
Sneako larping as Socrates
@michaelortiz4228
2 ай бұрын
"What if theyre two gay brothers? Like Chris Tyson.... and the other Chris Tyson" is my favorite quote of the debate
@The_King_Of_Leeches
2 ай бұрын
Sneako is like a machine gun that fires in all directions: super innefectkve for his own point but still gets the target to spill out things they shouldn’t be supporting
@TheBlackDeath3
2 ай бұрын
That Paint University course at 3:30 is one reason I really value you, Destiny. It seemed like you felt like you were having difficulty getting the idea across but I believe I understood what you were saying and I always like watching you dive into these deep little insights in real-time. My attempt at paraphrasing: sometimes people fail to delineate two closely related things and it leads to confusion. In this context, "would you fuck a two-year-old if it was legal?" implies adherence to law as the reason for obeying age of consent, but somebody who finds themselves answering that hypothetical in the negative is clearly getting their guidance elsewhere, other than from law. Generally, law "tracks" or is downstream of (i.e. is preceded by and closely related to) morality and this means it's easy to confuse somebody's being motivated by being law-abiding with adherence to roughly the same set of morals that inspired said law(s) in the first place. A hypothetical that artificially separates those two things (e.g. radically dropping the legal age of consent) appears to surface contradictions in the law-abiding citizen when in truth the hypothetical doesn't comport with reality and is therefore kind of bogus to begin with.
@DonQuixote1187
2 ай бұрын
If the board didn’t tell him he was doing anything wrong then how is he guilty of eroding the public’s trust? This guy is full of crap.
@Jordan-qi2dn
2 ай бұрын
You have no idea how fast I skip forward as soon as I see Destiny looking up Microsoft paint, drawing an elementary data over time graph, and starts arm chair lecturing.
@superbnns
2 ай бұрын
I don't believe Charlie is cut out for debate
@TophinatorStreams
2 ай бұрын
Maybe not, but he automatically wins when Sneako comes in, playing Devil’s Advocate in favor of Predator/Incest/deviancy. Auto-L for Sneako.
@pedro15305
2 ай бұрын
When Destiny opened up paint I was so happy because I thought he was going to explain to chat why incest is morally neutral again damn
@bmeade1194
2 ай бұрын
This is Sneakos was to apologize for the things we are soon to find out about him.
@torunaga1927
2 ай бұрын
5:00 destiny does this during literally every interaction with another human. Him talking about it like it's something he observes and not something he partakes in, is wild. It's called engaging with a hypothetical and he's personal thrown betch fits over people not engaging with his.
@windwalker000
2 ай бұрын
From wikipedia on "Age of consent": While ages from ten to thirteen years were typically regarded as acceptable ages for sexual consent in Western countries during the mid-19th century,[1] by the end of the 19th century changing attitudes towards sexuality and childhood resulted in the raising of the age of consent.[7]
@DoubleO88
2 ай бұрын
So Sneako was right?
@RobertEgbers
2 ай бұрын
Jordan Peterson being forced to do re-education camp for twitter posts is a good example of board acting outside the scope of practice.
@MegaMrASD
2 ай бұрын
7:54 the problem is that at one time enough people believed this to set the age of consent at 18, but even then we don’t know why they believed it, and today especially most people you ask why it’s okay for an 18 year old to have sex with a 25 year old, but not okay for a 17 year old to do so, they would have no personal reasoning for it, the answer would just be, because it is law. There is no actual underlying fact they can point to that meaningfully separates an 18 year old’s ability consent from a 17 year old’s ability to consent, they simply accept it is that way because either they are told it is, or because there is some mystical force inside of them telling them this is wrong. This of course in no way determines if the age of consent being at 18 is moral or not, it simply attempts to show how people arrive at their own moral standards. Sneako in these conversations lately seems to be trying to use these as proof that morality comes from god and that is why people can’t explain their own morality because it is some unexplainable force inside of them, while others might justify that personal morality is simply a nurture thing (what your parents told you, school told you, friends told you, the government tells you and what your own experiences are).
@DeathandGrim2
2 ай бұрын
Bro not even 10 seconds into the video and i know this is gonna be insane lmao
@jurassicroom7673
2 ай бұрын
Waiting for Destinys take on Charlie and the gender affirming care statement. Like I love Charlie bit bro that's so drastic.
@th3summoner
2 ай бұрын
God forbid you take 10 seconds to look more into his clarification on he viewpoints.
@jurassicroom7673
2 ай бұрын
@th3summoner I did, but during the debate, it did not come across as a colloquial.
@griffiththechad9483
2 ай бұрын
Destiny has said similar things in the past. Idk if he still says it now in 2024 but I def remember him saying he supports gender affirming care for youth under 18.
@th3summoner
2 ай бұрын
@@jurassicroom7673 So then why the hell would he make a take on a clarified statement, instead of the clarification??????
@jurassicroom7673
2 ай бұрын
@@griffiththechad9483 Gender affirming care doesn't necessarily mean surgery.
@0nlyRemaining
2 ай бұрын
when it comes to the incest argument, the odds of that relationship forming while living together is significantly higher than when the children are already moved out. Most of them will leave home around 18-22, so you'd think its way more probable that the relationship starts when they're under the age of 18.
@faketheo3432
2 ай бұрын
2:58 Charlie should have told this to his parents 😂 only adoption, artificial pregnancies and virgin births allowed for couples. 🤷♂
@P4PmmaFan
2 ай бұрын
What???
@faketheo3432
2 ай бұрын
@@P4PmmaFan "No family dynamic should ever include a sexual relation" children are in fact born from a sexual relation between the parents. if that is forbidden, all that is left is adoption, artificial or virgin birth
@grugra
2 ай бұрын
When Destiny draws a graph he has no fckng clue about the topic and his explanation is always horrible.
@shamrokz95
2 ай бұрын
you know its bad when sneako makes you take a hiatus 🤣
@tobiashagstrom4168
2 ай бұрын
Since Sneako thinks parental consent should be enough for marriage, I'm curious what he thinks the age at which you no longer need that parental consent for marriage should be. Then you can proceed to hit him with whatever annoying arguments he wants to make about the concept of an age of sexual consent.
@nickwilliams2415
2 ай бұрын
The progression of Sneakos eyebrows is fascinating to me
@Trecesolotienesdos
2 ай бұрын
Christians and Muslims disagree all the time on what the Bible/Quran dictates, and how it should apply to law and how respective followers should interpret it. Sneako's point of "following God in law" is moot asf. Iran doesn't oppress women to the degree Afghanistan does. Both are Islamic. Which then is right or wrong in their interpretation of the Quran? Can Sneako answer that? i doubt it! Even following God is as subjective as a secular approach.
@flipnskater
2 ай бұрын
Seriously can't have got a more perfect response from Dr K. Call me a glazer but that mfs response was clean.
@narutobankai
2 ай бұрын
Dr K painting the reprimand makes sense. It is super dishonest how he makes it seem like it is great and he has the boards approval. He has to give paperwork to anyone or any org he works with that he has been reprimanded and why. (the same thing they do for sexual predator list) No, the board maintains some privacy, I wouldnt be suprised if he gets heat from his public response to it
@ScatterBrainedYouBetterFollow
2 ай бұрын
This is why I’ve slowed down my destiny content consumption. Was a big fan but when you pull this stuff it’s hard to keep watching
@tigeruppercut3934
2 ай бұрын
Dr K’s response made me think of how unhinged Jordan Peterson is
@ghostman_g5969
2 ай бұрын
The only muddy part of this insane topic that no one has seemed to bring up yet is when, what modern society considers young children, were considered adults 200+ years ago. Back then, they didn’t have the same information, understanding and technology like we do now to give a definitive answer to when children/teens were considered adults. Different cultures had different ways of defining girl to woman and boy to man. A lot of cultures considered girls to be women once they were able to conceive a baby. What’s wild to me is that people back then had to be having sex with these extremely young girls to figure this out. Keep in mind though, a girl getting her first menstrual period varies because even though girls typically get their menstrual periods around their teens, there are times where young girls can get their first period extremely early. And this rare occurrence can still happen during this era. Boys were always different. Many cultures had different ways for boys to become men. Some set an age like we do now. Some cultures considered boys being men after their first successful kill in a hunt. A few considered boys to be men after their first time winning in a pit style fight. I can’t remember where, I’m sure I read somewhere that in a particular culture, a boy was considered a man after he slept with his first woman. But I do believe the majority considered boys to be men after a certain age or when his father said he was a man. Personally, I think it’s disingenuous to use information for age of consent from any time before the information and technology eras because people back then didn’t know what we know now. If the brain isn’t fully developed until 18 years of age then 18 years old should be the age of consent. Idgaf about maturity level or how much one’s private parts have developed. I could also argue that age of consent should be when you move out of your parent/ parents house and are able to take care of yourself. That way you have to take responsibility for your choices.
@kap1618
2 ай бұрын
And yet Moistcritical is the one receiving harassment and backlass, and no one has anything to say about the crap Sneako supports. Destiny was right their is a double standard.
@mkm1015
2 ай бұрын
That graph shit with Destiny unable to entertain the hypothetical about something being legal but immoral to someone was the most overintellectualized bullshit I've heard this week.
@SiViLiSmUsIC
2 ай бұрын
Destiny banning people for their regular, often wrong, but regular, comments will forever be hilarious to me.
@AWESOM.O
2 ай бұрын
"You can't allow gouvernement to determine morality" Bai-Zed Trust Sneako when it's about morality.
@Hawquin
2 ай бұрын
Lying probably isn't illegal cuz could you imagine how many court cases there would be trying to prove if someone is lying or not? It would flood the court and most people would just plead ignorance to the crime anyway
@brookeleigh3888
3 күн бұрын
So even animals are very aware that incest is wrong. Their survival depends on them knowing it.
@noahmoffitt8419
2 ай бұрын
If you can contact Sneako, get him to respond to InspiringPhilosophy's messages. IP is willing to debate him on the subject of the age of consent/child marriage.
@kenpachi0762
2 ай бұрын
I’ve never seen Destiny get stumped. Moral vs legal. Love you Destiny! ❤
@thetransferaccount4586
2 ай бұрын
amazing title and relevant content.. bravo
@zXDaishiXz
2 ай бұрын
Irrespective of the subject of the debate. When we talk about law and lobbying to morality, I can't help but think of right to repair, and believe society can absolutely create a laws that are immoral.
@oneal4398
2 ай бұрын
Bloody hell he is not even bothered with the Sneako and Moist debate. I don't blame him watching a debate with Sneako is a waste of time.
@danielsurvivor1372
2 ай бұрын
0:30 Kino intro. I don't know how Sneako could fumble so hard and outperform every hot take ever by providing an even hotter and most insane take 💀
@jodiegordon5559
2 ай бұрын
He lied about Englands age of consent in 1800s he said it was fcuking 7yr olds?! Where tf did he get that from?!
@aguspuig6615
2 ай бұрын
I feel like there could be an actual interesting debate about this, but something tells me this aint it. Tho it is funny to see everyone pretend that 18 is the magic moral age, youll have people on countries, or even states! were the age of consent is 16 be like ''yeah i know its 16 but i personally feel like 18 is the age you should morally think of'' like everyone pretends they all hold this view honestly at the specific age of 18, just like sometime this decade everyone starts pretending to have the exact same views on politics to conform to their side
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