Considering so far this is my most popular KZitem video and the fact that there arn't too many Lab Box videos on KZitem, what would people like to see concerning the Lab Box - I'm thinking about trying stand development, pushing film for the first time and also a comparison between continuous agitation with 300ml chemicals vs intermittent agitation and 490ml of chemicals. Thoughts welcome 😀.
@lukebedford401
3 жыл бұрын
Why the continuous agitation ?
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
3 жыл бұрын
@@lukebedford401 As per the lab box instructions. They detail both methods but recommend continuous agitation for best results.
@randallstewart175
Жыл бұрын
@@lukebedford401 The LB uses about 500 ml to fill and 290 ml for partially full processing. When filled, the film reel is fully submerged in the solution, and intermittent agitation can be used . When used with 290 ml, the film reel is slightly more than half in the solution. Therefore when used with 290 ml, continuous agitation is required to insure even development.
@CarmineTavernaPhotography
3 жыл бұрын
GREAT VIDEO, I AM PROUD OF YOU TO TRY AND SUCCEED IN YOUR FIRST FILM DEVELOPMENT. YOU HAVE GIVEN PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD ENCOURAGEMENT TO ATTEMPT AND ENJOY HOME FILM DEVELOPMENT. I HAVE ENJOYED DEVELOPING MY OWN FILM SINCE 1973..PEACE FROM NEW YORK CITY
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Carmine.
@paula-lagos-gatografias
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video! I recently bought a Lab Box and I'm waiting for it to arrive and start doing my own developing, and this helps a lot!
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
3 жыл бұрын
Really glad to hear it, thanks for the comments and good luck with your developing.
@elmofromtheelmstreet
3 жыл бұрын
very interesting video! for b&w, I personally just use a Kaiser developing tank and the semi-stand development method with rodinal. it's honestly foolproof and seemed to me as if more things can go wrong with using the device
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching. The only time I've had problems is when I've done something wrong e.g. not followed the manual. Other than that, the Lab-Box has been faultless, I can develop in the daylight and it takes up very little room especially when stored away.
@JustinRobles13
4 жыл бұрын
Damn. This is an excellent video on the lab box. Thank you!
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@andreasandomenico397
3 жыл бұрын
Bloody interesting! Thanks Chris!!!
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
3 жыл бұрын
No problem, hope it helped.
@alfredv9902
3 жыл бұрын
I have another idea. Use the LAB BOX as your film loader, then pull ou the loaded reel, and transfer it to a kinderman or Patterson tank. You can then develop with the tank sitting in a water bath to maintain temperature, you don't have to keep turning the knob continuously to agitate, and more important, you keep the LAB BOX dry, so you are ready for the next film. What I would like is a price on buying additional reels, so I can process several at a time or better yet, do probably about 15-20 at a time in 8x10 rubber tanks. You come back from a holiday, and the last thing you want is to process 50 rolls one at a time. This would give you a range from a few, to many, depending on job size, while making loading consistant/reliable/easy....ability to do in daylight film loading is a major feature, and less chance of error, and less hassle dealing with the paper backing.
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
3 жыл бұрын
I doubt I'll ever be in a position to process 50 rolls a year let alone from one trip so the lab box works well for my usage. I have a sous vide wand that I intend to use to get the chemicals to the correct temperature before starting development in the lab box.
@alfredv9902
3 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisEdgecombePhoto You may not be processing 50 rolls per year, or on one trip, but fact is most serious photographers do a lot. Bringing 50 rolls on a trip is not much film when shooting 612/617 (4-6 shots per roll). It's not even a lot if shooting 6x7 for serious landscape photographers. For low volume use, this Lab box I consider too expensive, but for the rest of us....would be great as a FILM LOADER ONLY. It would be too slow for processing of film.....better ways to do that. The daylight aspect and ease of loading 120 is it's selling point, provided it is repeatable (no jamming). For those who already have Patterson reels, this trick in the video may be all you need, and cost pennies. kzitem.info/news/bejne/x4mru4Zrsoh8lGk
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
3 жыл бұрын
@@alfredv9902 I do get where you are coming from, perhaps Ars-Imago will bring something to market to help with those users that shoot a large amount of film. I'm happy with the price I paid for the Lab Box (2nd hand) and it completely meets my needs.
@alfredv9902
3 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisEdgecombePhoto Good that it works well for you. I only wanted to point out for those of us who already own film tanks, that this would make a good FILM LOADER only, which allows daylight use, and loading made for once easy for 120. Only I hope it is reliable, because I read another owner saying he has done it a mllion times, and you know you did everything right, but once in a while he would have film all bunched up inside....entire roll ruined. At most I get a kink here or there with traditional tanks, and can photoshop it out. Watching your vid, I am pretty convinced I will be buying one as a film reel loader, because I have the rest for large processing applications, and will buy extra reels. The one weakness with this system is that your chemistry and tank should be in a water bath, but with the crank it is not possible....for me it does not matter, since I will transfer the reels to kinderman tanks. Stainless walls more quickl transfer heat from water bath to solution inside the tank.
@Zoomfreaky
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video. And I am glad your photos came out ok. But I am also glad you made some mistakes, so I don’t have to…:) I hope. Not as patient as you. Loved the Holga images. Learned a lot and enjoyed the video.
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the comments and I'm glad you found it useful.
@brianwalker6849
2 жыл бұрын
Hi. Chris I enjoyed the video very much watching your very first developing of your own photos?? And it was a very successful effort and surprise surprise it all worked out well congratulations.I now hope this gives you the confidence to now cut down on your development costs . Best wishes Brian.
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Brian, the Lab Box continues to perform great.
@MrCshmn
3 жыл бұрын
Great video. This is much appreciated as I am thinking of buying a lab box to do this exact thing as I was put off using the one stop developer by the guy at the store who had none in stock. He said this way provides much better results. This was the first video I confound that wasn't based around the 'easy' method.
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
3 жыл бұрын
I was planning on giving one shot developers a go but 1) I wanted to learn the more traditional way first and 2) to be honest, the method I currently use (which is still the same as in this video bar the rinse method) still works really well for me. I have used both rodinal and HC-110 developers and will go with rodinal if I want a grainy/contrasty look to my images. For everything else, HC-110 is fantastic. Regarding the rinsing aspect, I've shortened this down to about 3:30 minutes by adapting/fudging the Ilford Wash Method to suit the lab box. I talk about that in my lastest video and I've refined it a little more in an upcoming video.
@mikesmith-po8nd
3 жыл бұрын
The pictures came out very nicely. Good job, especially for the first try. Good developing is basically two things: proper preparation and meticulous work. You did both of those things and reaped the rewards. Although I have not used the Lab-box , it seems like a good choice for the occasional user. If you start developing more then you probably will want to get some tanks and reels. Used ones are inexpensive on eBay. Plastic ones are ok, stainless steel is better, especially if you are doing a lot of work. Again, nice job!
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind comments, I don't envisage ever needing to develop more than 1 roll at a time but then I probably never envisaged a few years ago that I would get into film either....😃
@AwesomeFantasyXI
3 жыл бұрын
I am very lucky to of found a agfa rondinax 60 and 35U which the lab box is actually based off. They were made in the 1930s all the way up to the 60/70s. I was also lucky to get them from around £100 in total!
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
3 жыл бұрын
I bought my lab box 2nd hand so it didn't cost much more than that TBH. I did look at the rodinax boxes but eventually opted for the newer lab box.
@randallstewart175
Жыл бұрын
For those considering the old Agfa ranks, note that unlike the LabBox, they must be used half full of solution and require continuous agitation as a result. That difference is based on the tank not being sealed where the external reel crank goes through the side of the tank. The LaxBox is sealed at that point, so it can be filled completely without half the contents leaking out during processing. Filling the LB will allow processing with intermittent agitation, which is a lot less work.
@lukebedford401
3 жыл бұрын
Nice vid, looks much more enjoyable than trying to stick a roll of 35 into a patterson tank in a tiny hot and sweaty bag !
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
3 жыл бұрын
I never tried Patterson tanks but this seems to work well for me. Thanks for watching.
@alanread6596
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video very informative I am going to get one of those lab boxes and try my own developing thanks for the info and well done on your first developing experience. Alan in Kent.
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much and good luck. Chris.
@obscurazone
2 жыл бұрын
Such a bloody good video this! I was rooting for you the whole time and even clapped when I saw your negatives :) I'm considering ditching my digital gear and taking a plunge on a Hasselblad (mid life crisis time) so I'm super interested in developing the film, but the thought of spooling in a bag has always put me off. This looks like just the ticket, albeit the chemical side of things does slightly intimidate me. Anyway, you made a very useful instructional video so Ive definitely bookmarked. Your images turned out great too! Very characterfull indeed. Cheers from Amsterdam!
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
2 жыл бұрын
Really glad this video is helping people as I was in the same boat before this video. I've developed about 30-40 films (all successfully) since this one apart from 1 or 2 where I messed up (not the lab box's fault).
@obscurazone
2 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisEdgecombePhoto Is it pretty much the same handling colour film? Or have you stuck with black n white? I stumbled on your video after researching photographing negatives instead of scanning them, so it was great to see that's your approach too. The technology these days is so fantastic.
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
2 жыл бұрын
@@obscurazone I haven't braved colour yet...I plan to but running down my monochrome film stock first. Hardest thing I think colour will be is temperature control and longevity of chemicals compared to monochrome.
@MsLoribee
3 жыл бұрын
Nice! and congrats on the first time developing! I really like the images you got with the Holga. They seem almost dream-like, which is I guess part of the charm of the camera.
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@ceritat625
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this and I am so glad it worked out quite nicely, even with that slight mishap of floating foam, I am very impressed. The Lab Box did not work for me, I had endless problems with it and gave it away, but it seems I am destined to use one as I got gifted a brand new one a few months ago, I will now have to give it a go again. I do have two Rondinax tanks that bought brand new off Ebay last year, I was very lucky indeed!!! I do like developing film and must try again. Love your pictures, quite lovely!
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your words; what do you think went wring with your use of the lab-box?
@ceritat625
4 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisEdgecombePhoto I started with 120 film, and the paper got stuck so I had no choice but to open up the top to have a look, and of course the film hadn't gone into the light tight chamber below, but was still sitting on top, a disaster. I then tried a roll of 35mm, and while reeling on, the screeching noise of the film rolling onto the reel was very unusual. Anyhow, I developed the film, opened up the box and the roll was entirely chewed up on the edges and some frames were touching etc. disaster no. 2. I went through the manual many times, watched all of their videos etc. and I still ended up with a mess. I am not sure if it was me or the box. Ah well. I actually have another daylight tank that was made by Jobo, it's no longer made, and it works like a dream! Sadly it only does 35. It's a different design but works very well.
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
4 жыл бұрын
@@ceritat625 I think for 120, the chamber needs to be really dry so it doesn't stick when loading. Also, with the 35mm I did notice some of the edges were a little damaged when pulling it off the reel - I am going to try and disassemble the reel next time for 35mm before unravelling the film.
@markfisher299
2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, really appreciate it. Have probably developed about 25+ films since this video (all successful) and its still going strong. Haven't ventured into colour yet, but intend to at some point.
@MrCshmn
3 жыл бұрын
Have you tried doing colour film yet?
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
3 жыл бұрын
Not yet.....I was given a sous vide to help with the temperature control. I'm more into B&W at the moment but I will eventually give colour and possible slide film a go. What puts me off is the shelf life of the colour chemicals compared with B&W.
@smalltimer4370
3 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisEdgecombePhoto I believe the dry chemicals are better for long term storage no?
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
3 жыл бұрын
@@smalltimer4370 Problem is I think you have to mix them all up (not just a portion of them) before you use them and at that point they start to degrade fast (compared to B&W chemicals).
@smalltimer4370
3 жыл бұрын
Very much enjoyed your video - as a beginner, I found the pace of things to be perfect for my needs - thanks again
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, glad it helped.
@haymobachmaier
4 жыл бұрын
which iPhone App you are using?
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
4 жыл бұрын
For the development times? If so, it’s called The Massive Dev Chart.
@haymobachmaier
4 жыл бұрын
Devonian in Dorset great thanx🤙🏻😎
@salvatorerapicano6683
4 жыл бұрын
It is a nice video, compliment !
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@davidkachel
Жыл бұрын
This box was a stupid idea when Agfa first introduced it in the 1930's, and it remains a stupid idea today. Here's a thought... read a book!
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
Жыл бұрын
Not sure why you say that? It works fine for my needs.
@eccentricsmithy2746
3 жыл бұрын
Anyone else find this brutally painful to watch? Only took 16 minutes into the video to get started.
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry you feel that way but some people might be approaching developing film from the same point that I was e.g. no prior knowledge or experience. To assist people getting to other parts of the video faster I added chapters at the various stages or if you prefer a shorter video I made one when I was more comfortable using the lab box kzitem.info/news/bejne/zqt6s6hvsYWKloI
@MrCshmn
3 жыл бұрын
No. His in depth coverage and thoughts on this topic is exactly what I'm looking for. This has saved me a hell of a lot of time hunting as most videos just cover the all in one developer liquid.
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrCshmn Thank you so much for your comments, I'm glad it helped.
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