Isn't the 'Generator' connection an input, not an output? I'd love to see a block diagram of your whole system. You've made so many changes I dunno whats goin on haha.
@EEVblog2
Ай бұрын
Yes, I should have said emergency power output port, for some reason my mind keeps confusing the two.
@paulwakefield5696
Ай бұрын
The Deye has 3 AC ports: 1. Grid - Feed grid in/excess power out as required. This one is shut off when the grid goes down. 2. Emergency Load - Powered by a configurable blend of solar/battery + grid if available., keeps working off solar/battery when the grid goes down. 3. Generator/Smart load - Input for generator, microinvertors, or alternative AC supply. Alternatively can be installed as an output that turns on when certain conditions are met, e.g, there is excess solar (called Smart Load). I have 2 of these guys running in parallel. I live in South Africa where we sometimes have rolling blackouts, so most of my house is powered by the Emergency Load output. The exceptions are the electric water heater, powered on the Grid side (so uses Solar/Battery if available, grid otherwise, turned off if no grid), and the pool filter pump, powered by the Smart load output, so I've set this up to only run once the batteries are fully charged on sunny days. All this is super configurable, so you can choose when to prioritise battery vs. grid, or charge off the grid/feed battery into the grid at different times of day if you have variable tariffs. Also important to note that the inverter will BLEND grid, solar and battery as required to supply the Emergency Load. The 5Kw inverter can actually bend in an extra 3Kw of Grid, giving a potential continuous output of 8Kw on the Emergency Load output when the grid is present. Some other combination inverters will only run on Solar/Battery OR grid. My friend's inverter is like this. If the PV input can't supply the full load it will initially power the load from Solar+battery, then when the battery drops to its minimum charge level, it will switch over to powering everything from the grid, leaving the PV to charge the battery until it gets full enough to take over again, cycling the battery unnecessarily.
@Tas-Devil
Ай бұрын
@Hagar76a Yeah in the context of this video Dave mis spoke but its interesting to note the flexibility of the generator connection. The Generator connection can function either as in input for AC coupled solar panels / Generator OR it can be used as an output for dumping excess power into a resistive water/sand heater etc. I have mine (6KW model) setup to use the solar to charge a bank of batteries / run the emergency load (lighting, fridges/freezers, IT equipment) once the batteries are changed and the emergency load is satisfied any excess power is sent back to my main switchboard where its available for use elsewhere in the house kitchen, laundry etc or if there is nothing running its exported to the grid, what each input/output does is programmable as it's monitored by CT clamps and little energy meters connected to the inverters communication bus. The capabilities of these inverters for the money is hard to beat.
@EEVblog2
Ай бұрын
@@paulwakefield5696 Great summary. I'm going to connect two extra 440W panels I mounted yesterday into the 800W 2 input Hoymiles microinverter I have into the Gen input to give me some extra power. I presume that extra gen power gets treated like the solar input and can charge the battery/load/grid as desired.
@tlhIngan
Ай бұрын
Yes, these devices typically have a delay on AC power restore because you might have situations where the AC power comes on then off because something blew. As well, w hen power comes on, there's often huge spikes and surges around because things will be powering up and the power on spikes can do wreak some havoc. So it would wait a minute for the grid power to stabilize to ensure it can adequately figure out how to push the power onto the grid again. It's been known for power to be re-established only to have the fuse blow a short while later, or for reclosers to operate and then disconnect again.
@animarkzero
Ай бұрын
I am SO playing along at home with my 3-phase DEYE and 20 kWh of nice cheap batteries Welcome to the DEYE-Club Dave ! 😉👌 Greetings from Austria👋
@MisterTractor
Ай бұрын
Nice video my friend , A very creative idea ///❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@retrozmachine1189
Ай бұрын
Apparently these inverters can produce an audible 20kHz tone (PWM frequency). Olden ears won't be able to hear it but Golden ears might. An audio spectrum might be interesting to look at. A mobile phone app would do the job.
@Tas-Devil
Ай бұрын
I have the Deye 6KW model, There is a setting in the newer firmware that adjusts the frequency pretty much eliminating it from the range of human hearing. Even with the audible frequency its way quieter then my old Aurora 3.6KW inverter.
@maheshgods
Ай бұрын
@@Tas-Devil i too have the same model. Will you guide me on how to do it and what firmware you are on?
@Tas-Devil
Ай бұрын
@@maheshgods Select 'Advanced Function' - use LCD down arrow to cycle through pages until you see 'Low Noise Mode' and select it, then press the tick in the bottom right to save and exit. Can't remember if you have to power cycle the inverter to ensure for it to take effect.
@voltare2amstereo
Ай бұрын
I installed My batts, then 2 weeks later a wild storm took out local grid for 8 hours, had to speed run setting up a gpo to the backup socket on the inverter as daylight ran out, kept the fridge and freezer running, used a 36v Ryobi inverter to run my laptop and phone and a 18v Ryobi inverter to power up the modem for internet. Was great to have the necessary equipment active while the rest of the area was out cold.
@EEVblog2
Ай бұрын
We get so few power outages here that iot's not worthhile doing a whole house backup. So the emeregncy power output port will be enough to keep some things going.
@voltare2amstereo
Ай бұрын
@@EEVblog2 same, may loose power once a or twice a year always around storms
@PipThorne
Ай бұрын
When you disconnect the grid, the system goes into what’s known as “island mode” you need to check with your local regulations to see if you need to install an earth neutral bonding relay. . It varies from model to model but it’s something I had to do on mine. You’ll probably find something called grid disconnect signal in the settings. Worth checking out for safety reasons
@MMMM2MMMM2MMMM
Ай бұрын
Deye's Island mode NEEDS a neutral-ground bonding relay. Every chained device needs to be grounded to earth too.
@EEVblog2
Ай бұрын
@@MMMM2MMMM2MMMM I don't have any external neutral-erath bonding relay. No mention of it in the manual?
@mitchellmnr
Ай бұрын
For the Deye - the output of the unit is what you can connect to your stuff you want on it. Don't use the 'generator' output/input. The GEN/AUX Input/Output - is for other uses than a simple output - eg ... other micro-inverters You said it though haha :P
@EEVblog2
Ай бұрын
Yes, my mind was confusesing the two. It's called the emergency power output port.
@markarca6360
Ай бұрын
You can also connect the output of a grid-tie inverter to that, too!
@EEVblog2
Ай бұрын
@@markarca6360 Yes, I have installed two extra panels just to do this.
@picobyte
Ай бұрын
I got me an 230V/16A inverter with 10kWh of proper cycle battery when electricity prices here in the Netherlands went insane a few years ago. You certainly want a home battery.
@ncot_tech
Ай бұрын
I am indeed playing along at home, but with a Solis hybrid inverter, 3kw of panels and 10kwh of Pylontech batteries. Never tried using the emergency output, my installer told me I'd need a breaker and Earth connection for it to be safe.
@dasrue6983
Ай бұрын
Neat feature! I wonder how it behaves on a cloudy day if you have some load on the output. Would it shut down the output once there is not enough PV and then restart it once the cloud passes?
@EEVblog2
Ай бұрын
It would either shut down or smartly disconnect the emergency output. Probably some hysteresis on that too.
@eliotmansfield
Ай бұрын
i don’t think you should be running these in grid failure mode without batteries
@Tas-Devil
Ай бұрын
@@eliotmansfield ideally it should have a battery to bridge the gap between when the grid fails and when the generator is up to speed and stable, (the inverter has the ability auto start a compatible generator when the grid fails or if running in off grid mode ie: battery voltage etc.)
@teenee4
Ай бұрын
Check the roof for troubleshooters 😉
@scotty9946
Ай бұрын
There is a 60 second minimum reconnection time starting when inverter sees the grid voltage and frequency within check
@neomage2021
Ай бұрын
I had the new IQ8 enphase one installed, In the almost year it took for permission to operate (in New Mexico) they changed the regulations. My IQ8s are perfectly fine to run in off grid mode when the power is out without back feeding the grid, but that feature had to be disabled
@AndyPhu
Ай бұрын
You should hook up some LiFePo4 batteries to it
@EEVblog2
Ай бұрын
I am, coming shortly.
@EVguru
Ай бұрын
So it behaves just like my Aurora has for the last 15 years. That's just a plain twin string inverter. Johannes Hubner of the Openinverter (EV) project has used his EV to run a cheap Chinese 360VDC input inverter to create a local grid and gotten his PV inverter to come back online. Due to the design of the Chinese inverter, it would then backfeed and charge the EV battery if the 'grid' voltage went too high.
@leybraith3561
Ай бұрын
...From a grid stability perspective is would be "INTERESTING" (read bucking bronco), if a huge number of solar feedins appeared in the first few seconds after re-establishment of power...hence the module monitoring and applying a (hopefully randomized) delay before resuming feeding power back to the grid.... YMMV...
@LordOfCoding
Ай бұрын
The timeout is based on the grid /net -code and can very from region to region. But indeed most likely 30-60 seconds
@markarca6360
Ай бұрын
I did not know that this was also sold in Australia, since this is one of the most-used and installed hybrid inverter here in the Philippines. Other brands widely used here is Epever and SRNE.
@EEVblog2
Ай бұрын
No common here, my installer had never heard of it before.
@matixnznz
Ай бұрын
Wouldn’t you connect your fridges etc to the load output on the inverter? The gen is an input right?
@EEVblog2
Ай бұрын
Yes, i goofed the terms.
@LawpickingLocksmith
Ай бұрын
Just where there was room for a beer fridge is this new beeping box.
@steven-george
Ай бұрын
Your solar inverter is reversing..... Your solar inverter is reversing..... Your solar inverter is reversing.....
@stevenyau2443
13 күн бұрын
you've got it wrong without a battery the DEYE inverter won't produce power from the solar panels when the grid goes away it just works like a grid tied inverter
@alch3myau
Ай бұрын
is there a button to turn the alarm off!
@Tas-Devil
Ай бұрын
yep, from memory its in, settings - basic settings - untick beep and save.
@Matt47247523457
Ай бұрын
for the UK, I think the inverter has to wait 5 minutes before it re-connects to the grid.
@stili774
Ай бұрын
I think without batterie the load port isn't active in this case. You need a battery. Is this a lv or hv deye model? If lv, get an pytes 5 kw battery. Give 0,5 C charge and discharge rate. Easy to install
@EEVblog2
Ай бұрын
LV, getting batteries shortly.
@faizanjoyia
Ай бұрын
what was the issues with the 2nd string
@sdgelectronics
Ай бұрын
Is this a rebranded Sunsynk?
@EEVblog2
Ай бұрын
Deye is the company, but I believe they are rebranded under the Sunsynk brand.
@dama054
Ай бұрын
I think it's a 3 minute restart program it runs
@tangojango44
Ай бұрын
Hybrid inverter is the term generally used for inverters that support both solar and batteries. Can this inverter actually run AC loads from solar only without a battery? You mention connecting to the "Generator" port a lot, but this is probably an input for an external generator to provide input power when solar output is low and the battery SOC drops to a defined level. Essential or critical loads are normally connected to the "Backup" output terminal of the inverter and a battery is required to run those loads. The Fronius GEN24 is an example of an inverter that can actually run the backup output directly from Solar DC without a battery, but can this Deye do that as well?
@NiHaoMike64
Ай бұрын
SMA and MPP have options for daytime backup without batteries. Maybe Deye also does, it's a substantial value add for a fairly low added cost.
@EEVblog2
Ай бұрын
Yes it can. It has an emergency load output (which I mistakingly called the gen output) that works from just the solar, or a battery if you have one.
@tangojango44
Ай бұрын
@@EEVblog2 is yours the SUN-5K-SG04LP1-AU? The manuals for that one don't do a good job of explaining the backup power except with a battery! That's be worth a video in itself demonstrating it powering loads from PV only!
@markifi
Ай бұрын
don't you dislike these complications of the system? wouldn't it be nice to have a rather dangerous high voltage direct current circuit and use everything you make without an inverter and the battery? sort of dumping all the electricity into heat or cooling or power tools.
@Electronzap
Ай бұрын
Nice. I think all grid tied inverters wait for over a minute to reconnect to the grid. Definitely not a fun wait while making a video.
@shazam6274
Ай бұрын
Not so great display. How much was this thing that they could only afford a $3 LCD?
@EEVblog2
Ай бұрын
Yeah, crappy outdoor display.
@Poxenium
Ай бұрын
I thought it was going to be a drop test from the roof or something, LOL. Clicked, but listening to it beep is boring.
@groovejet33
Ай бұрын
Gudday
@abeleski
Ай бұрын
can these Deye's run of lead acid batteries?
@Adam-bw4lw
Ай бұрын
Yes the box allready comes with a lead acid battery temp sensor,and it dose have configs for lead acid battery in the menu
@abeleski
Ай бұрын
@@Adam-bw4lw thank you
@EEVblog2
Ай бұрын
Yes. They even included a temp sensor for led acid batteries.
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