My NEUTRAL TAKE for Acheron VS Firefly: E0S0 FF > E0S0 Acheron E0S1 FF ~ E0S1 Acheron FF falls off hard without RM/HMC, while Acheron can more or less perform with any 2 Nihility. Acheron needs more relic investment. Firefly can't do anything vs toughness lock. Acheron ABOBA >>>
@AdventZZZx
2 ай бұрын
Curious who do you think is better unit at E2S1 with E0S0 5star teammates (excluding H-MC)
@ExE7333
2 ай бұрын
@@austingao1010 Firefly has one of if not the best E2 in the game. Honestly at E2 she is easily better than Acheron at that point. I think E6s1 Acheron is handily better than E6S1 Firefly though.
@sayareyes3387
2 ай бұрын
Acheron is sexier than Firefly, but Firefly is more girlfriend material than Acheron.
@shambles168
2 ай бұрын
@@ExE7333lmao no
@kurone5799
2 ай бұрын
40% res pen at e6 is basically thanos… although she wont have the same rate of actions as firefly
@jiunhaoneoh3482
2 ай бұрын
The thing is that Gallagher can do 150k ults followed by 100k enhanced basic attack. Luocha just can't do that.
@hachiman205
2 ай бұрын
Enhanced Basic does more damage ( assuming single target ) my galla does like 180k-200k basic lmao. It's so stupid.
@Accountthatexists
2 ай бұрын
@@hachiman205uh no? His ult does more dmg
@didwewin90
2 ай бұрын
The fact that his outgoing also scales with his BE is massive
@hachiman205
2 ай бұрын
@@Accountthatexistsit doesn't. Even logically you can calculate it doesn't. I'm talking about enhanced basic btw should've said that ig. His EB has more break efficiency than ult so he does more super break cause it scales off of break efficiency. Pretty self explanatory Edit : you may not have e6, forgot to take that into consideration. Tier list was e6 so I just assumed that
@Cba409
2 ай бұрын
I did 5 million with gallagher’s technique in DU.
@malevolent4945
2 ай бұрын
Ruan Mei is the true winner
@Yenrei
2 ай бұрын
Always has been
@KFCG427
2 ай бұрын
Just like in Genshin Neuvi Arle etc being top dpses but their overall value is far from the names of Kaz Nahida such. Difference between supports and dpses goes hard
@reeverfalls2069
2 ай бұрын
@@KFCG427yee. It’s because DPS characters are a dime a dozen. With the right supports you can make any DPS character clear content.
@Tiasung
2 ай бұрын
The one that would be on top is the player who uses both Firefly and Acheron teams.
The main reason it's so good is that the main problem u run into is who do u put Ruan Mei on what team and since firefly NEEDS HER, and acheron dosent, it's just perfect
@siema14123
2 ай бұрын
@@Gration_ why welt instead of peela/sw ?
@malevolent4945
2 ай бұрын
me who got extremely lucky with E2S1 firefly
@ThyBr0
2 ай бұрын
Both. Both are equally good, at e0s1, and in their BiS teams/relics. In fact, you can build and pull both of these teams if you have started in 2.0, when penacony launched and there was a surge of new players/returning old players coming in. It’s an absolute no brainer. Just pull Acheron e0s1, pull firefly+Ruan Mei e0s0, then save up for a dedicated debuffing 5star limited sustain for Acheron. You can use pela+guin for Acheron team, and firefly with her premium break team. Replace the Acheron supports if you’d like in the future, or just save up for waifu/husbando reasons. Cuz you legit Unlock Maintenance Mode with Acheron+Firefly teams now, and you will full clear absolutely everything, non negotiable. There’s no “heated” debate here cuz both use entirely different teams, and they’re both spaced out in a way where you can realistically pull both (assuming you skipped all the banners and saved in between Acheron and firefly). Both have entirely different functionality, but both have the same advantage, which is doing absolutely bonkers damage. Honestly, it all comes down to 2 things: preference and account status.
@-Animosity-
2 ай бұрын
Holy yap, I ain't reading all that but I believe you
@brunobru7083
2 ай бұрын
I Just got Ruan Mei and FF, now I Will use SUPABREAK and Acheron teams on MOC, starded the account in version 2.0, I still need a sustain for Acheron, since I was using galagher
@justjuniorjaw
2 ай бұрын
@@-Animosity- The point was just get Acheron and Firefly.
@lafontaine236
2 ай бұрын
Yep you're absolutely on the money 🔥
@cjn0423
2 ай бұрын
"then save up for a dedicated debuffing 5star limited sustain for Acheron." Are you talking about Jiaoqiu?
@axHSR
2 ай бұрын
The fact that ruan mei wasnt up in t0 until now is absolutely insane
@SF151SF
2 ай бұрын
It's for simple reason tho. Like before break dps is a thing ruan Mei is like Jack of all trades like she is good in DoT, good with other hyper carry and so on. But Bronya and sparkle is monstrous in hyper carry team when hyper carry still a thing. But when break dps became a thing. Ruan Mei is not jack of all trade anymore as she is the only break support that are really good beside harmony mc
@lolwarrior2181
2 ай бұрын
Yeah becausw hmc exists when RM released amirite 😂
@rynxuz
2 ай бұрын
@@lolwarrior2181 Hmc needs RM, the other way around not so much because she’s universal..
@necasa4919
2 ай бұрын
@@rynxuz HTB also doesn't need her. Sure, weakness efficiency increases the DMG, but that doesn't mean it's a "need"
@araarashinigami
2 ай бұрын
You go out with Firefly on a nice date, then come home in Acheron.
@MrcreeperDXD777
2 ай бұрын
You come in HUH???
@Azmuth01
2 ай бұрын
Cook
@captainp367
2 ай бұрын
my guy got his priorities straight 💯
@QiQigoat
2 ай бұрын
midcheron would cook in the kitchen and use dishwasher
@DPStry-unit
2 ай бұрын
@@QiQigoat qiqi is dead
@zolytelt
2 ай бұрын
The biggest FF weakness is her comp requirement, and toughness lock. Which puts Acheron>FF for majority of people. But best part is Acheron and FF do not compete on team members so just run both
@Why_So_Mean
2 ай бұрын
Genuinely, respectfully, super nuclear himeko should be higher
@mbahugum8143
2 ай бұрын
Tactical nuke
@feelsgoodman9737
2 ай бұрын
Archeron team autos surprisingly well I wonder how Firefly team does with auto. Dot team and follow up team auto very well.
@kyotheman69
2 ай бұрын
without E1 its not great, you need keep feeding her her SP to keep doing her skill up every attack that's her bread and butter
@raulmaltrain6893
2 ай бұрын
@@kyotheman69 you are not forced to only do skills during FF's ult you know?... i've found in practice that you can guarantee kills and cycle endings with basics and save sp. since gala, mc, and ruan mei, all do good dmg in that team. if FF missed a kill just wait until the next action anyway since she has at least 4 per cycle. you could even play an alternating bronya, but that requires spd tuning.
@LipziG3R
2 ай бұрын
@@raulmaltrain6893Dude ... your entire comment is irrelevant since they're talking about AUTO battle.
@larrywoolfolk8224
2 ай бұрын
E2S1 FF on auto goes brrrrr
@KWONEUNBl
2 ай бұрын
Ruan Mei is SP + Gallagher is SP + additionally if he's 160 speed with Multiplication he can be your SP generator In short you can auto without SP problem
@StrangeStore123
2 ай бұрын
I feel like if we count Ratio and DHIL with their best teams, they’re about the same in clear speed. Ratio might technically deal less damage, but since he enables follow up users like Topaz’s Numby, Aventurine’s follow ups, and Robin’s ult damage, the whole team averages out the damage from a hyper carry DHIL team
@hachiman205
2 ай бұрын
This is e0s0. Follow up team is really not that good at e0s0 cause there are no debuffs for ratio so you're ratio launches a follow up once a century. You need topaz lc and maybe aventurine lc or topaz e1 etc to apply debuffs that's why ratio is lower. And dhil isn't acheron tier, this was never the case tbh.
@ectoBiologist21
2 ай бұрын
Ratio require monstrous investment to even complete with Acheron or FF. Like it’s not comparable at all. Ratio needs an entire team of 5 Stars before he even remotely competes.
@StrangeStore123
2 ай бұрын
Also 2 Notes: 1. It CAN be annoying that FUA team doesn’t have a lot of debuffs, but from my own experience of a full E0S0 FUA team, as long as you play good and make use of Ratios technique and Breaking at the right time, it works out to 3 debuffs most of the time. 2. Also I’m not comparing Ratio or DHIL to Acheron or Firefly. They are obviously T0 alone. (I have no clue where the replies got that from.) I’m just saying that Ratio should be considered in T0.5 with DHIL.
@ectoBiologist21
2 ай бұрын
@@StrangeStore123 ah then yeah I agree, hyper carry Ratio is pretty on par with DHIL.
@StrangeStore123
2 ай бұрын
@ectoBiologist21 Completely agree that both imaginary DPS aren't on the same level as Acheron and Firefly with their best teams
@Mast3rOfTimeAndSpace
2 ай бұрын
I agree that I hope players are not blinded by Firefly/Boothill's performance because of the MoC buff. The current MoC buff with Firefly is so good.
@HSRFirefly
2 ай бұрын
True. But the thing is, there are showcases of Firefly outside of the current MoC buff and she still easily 0 cycled those
@27Ganon
2 ай бұрын
@@HSRFirefly No she didn't, not compared to other top tier characters. There are plenty more & cheaper Acheron/Boothill 0 cycles than there are Firefly 0 cycles.
@blazeknight2629
2 ай бұрын
@@27Ganonbcs she just got released
@27Ganon
2 ай бұрын
@@blazeknight2629 most of Boothill's 0 cycles came pre-release, you need a private server to test out old MoCs so release time doesn't matter that much
@blazeknight2629
2 ай бұрын
@@27Ganon even counting pre release, that’s only like 9 days of firefly. Plus having more teams is not really a factor when the game has offered two of FF’s bis team mates for free(being Gallagher and hmc) if we’re talking abt cheaper. If we’re talking abt investment tho then it’s subjective
@csia4922
2 ай бұрын
dhil e0s0 > ratio e0s0 because ratio light cone increases his performance by so much while dhil can run aeon and perform not too much worse compared to e0s0 firefly e0s1 and acheron e0s1 are pretty equal, however firefly comes out on top in my opinion because no one factors in the additional super break damage from harmony trailblazer and gallagher. on a more personal level, i prefer firefly due to the damage being less backloaded and not having to spend whole ults for low health elites to clutch a cycle, and firefly is much easier to build than acheron. if acheron fans truly want to believe she comes out on top over firefly, just consider that moc has a hard limit and both of these dps can easily 0 cycle even when brute forcing.
@zerk343
2 ай бұрын
Ratio already performs very well with herta lc his lc are in no way a must have to make him do big dmg
@puenboy1
2 ай бұрын
You said if a new player can have a full acheron team or a full firefly team but if I pick Acheron team I’d be grinding crit relic for months to make acheron work meanwhile main stat speed boots and break rope and Firefly is already done. So yea I think I know which one a real ‘new player’ would pick
@HSRFirefly
2 ай бұрын
True. When I created a new account during acheron's banner. It hurts so much that her dmg is shit without good crit ratio
@koko-hh2bq
2 ай бұрын
People truly underestimate how easy it is to build Firefly's team compared to Acheron's. Even with mid builds, she is hitting over 300k per break/super break. Not to mention your entire team is also doing considerable damage. She's the definition of plug and play
@mixi292
2 ай бұрын
Kafka withstood the test of time i am so happy ,she is only old character that is still in tir 1. or 0.5 and she is from 1.2. patch ,i suspect dot will going evolve soon
@marcusbullock2753
2 ай бұрын
An abundance character doing a lot of damage is so cool to me. I like hanya as harmony but sadly she’s been power crept. I just use her for fun in Divergent mode with Firefly
@MMOStein
2 ай бұрын
I feel like this man is slowly becoming XQC as time goes on..... Like, i swear it was much easier for me to understand him like a year ago and now its like 50/50 lmao.
@Bipedalduck
2 ай бұрын
That's because he used to enunciate his words clearer for a broader audience, but as time went on he didn't care about it. XQC and Pokke's regional accent are really thick, to the point where if you're not from their countries( Quebec Canada and Malaysia), you won't get it.
@sachinandansen3610
2 ай бұрын
I run both E0S0 DHIL and E0S0 Ratio, and if I don’t count my supports, DHIL clears Ratio.
@rinrainaozora4254
2 ай бұрын
I want to see a whale make a tier list (purely out of curiosity). I want to see how every limited-time character performs when they are at their strongest (E6S5). Eidolons make things much more extrapolated.
@KamenGoat
2 ай бұрын
Your community is broke. Mfers saying Ratio over DHIl lmfaooo. They aint seen a bag before 😭😭
@Astamingo
2 ай бұрын
ppl : Acheron or FF ? based chads : Boothill
@Astamingo
2 ай бұрын
@@jonmorel4645 dw you got yourself the true T0 character from the specialist, he’s incredibly slept on that’s it GL for your pulls
@oultimosamurai5579
2 ай бұрын
Got him day 1 and love everything, because of him i could beat the divergent universe SU game mode on diff 5 v6 🛐 lost his LC sadly but going for Ruan Mei LC and then try to get firefly on 50/50 @@Astamingo
@Astamingo
2 ай бұрын
@@oultimosamurai5579 His LC makes him reach insane ceilings.. But even without it he's busted. Good luck for your pulls !
@Itachiflameamaterasu
2 ай бұрын
That aint based, can't beat Mecha Waifus.
@Astamingo
2 ай бұрын
@@Itachiflameamaterasu L comment, delete your account respectfully
@KraizenFaraway
2 ай бұрын
33:00 Investment wise, FF should easily be best choice since you don't even need to find crit. It's basically a Hyperbloom driver in Genshin Impact. That said,FF is one dimensional. Remove HMC/RM, her damage plummets. Acheron is more flexible since she works with dots and HC. Though, It feels incomplete. Firefly team feels complete. I don't think they have do anything else so her team won't be changing unless HY will Powercrept.
@SlL222
2 ай бұрын
FF will get better with more break supports, it’s not exclusive only for Acheron. “Acheron works with any nihility” -true, FF also works with every break support, but currently we have only two break supports, and saying “remove them” is just not that logical
@FEIXIAO_WAITER
2 ай бұрын
@@SlL222just to add those both supports are arguably the best supports in the game. Hmc is at least T0.5 and Ruan mei was always best
@AlkyHakami
2 ай бұрын
Absolutely agree. Additionally if I am picking one team that I have to play FF is going to take forever to clear Weakness Shielded Mobs while Acheron will just steam through almost all content in the game equally.
@rakawidi-bo3ps
2 ай бұрын
Imagine break suport more better than, hmc / ruan Mei, I am pretty sure firefly become broken as hell.
@chimilicitypjm459
2 ай бұрын
@@AlkyHakami until enemies were given the ability to cleanse themselves, IJBOL.
@shiro12okami69
2 ай бұрын
Having E0 S1 Acheron and E1 S0 Firefly……my firefly is destroying my Acheron in comparison dmg wise, firefly is also more fun to play comb wise and way more friendly to build. Which is why Firefly wins in my opinion, couldnt MOC 12 as good lately anymore, pulled firefly and I just zero turned it with her team.
@iforgot383
2 ай бұрын
I think acheron as a unit is better but the FF break team overall outperforms the acheron team. FF supports are completely broken in comparison to acheron's BiS supports which might change when they add the fox (I haven't looked at his kit and numbers so idk how much of an impact he will have)
@Kazuki842
2 ай бұрын
Well I already watch some videos and Acheron Spam the ult with Jiaoqiu not to mention the dmg increase wow so for me right now is a must pull
@kaete_7
2 ай бұрын
Acheron will just have her bis team once jiaoqiu comes out that makes her ult be up even faster with some buff. I would really like to try going for ff, but i wanna get e0 jiaoqiu and e0s1 sparkle.
@tidus9942
2 ай бұрын
I plan to skip firefly for jiaoqiu eidolons. Right now with leaks his E2 makes him a very good fire DOT which means him and BS will go great with Acheron or you could do triple DOT with Kafkat. Either way he can be a main fire DPS.
@Indian_gae_boii
2 ай бұрын
@@marcuskane1040 I will
@ShovelE7
2 ай бұрын
@@Indian_gae_boiimost cringe name I've seen, yuck
@user-ow1iz7th3i
2 ай бұрын
@@marcuskane1040i will
@KawiiBalls
2 ай бұрын
Meta slaves will @@marcuskane1040
@DonDon-gy3qg
2 ай бұрын
We need another Ruan Mei harmony unit.
@Ohhsoodead
2 ай бұрын
Idk why Boothill is on the same tier as Kafka or Swan, I don't see Kafka or Black Swan doing anywhere CLOSE to Boothill's performance and damage output, my DoT team is goated to the sauce and Boothill is doing so much more dmg it's not even a question he should be in t0.
@Tam-lv1mp
2 ай бұрын
I honestly just came here to look at aventurine in t0. The rest of y’all can fight about the dps.
@_Moonlight-
2 ай бұрын
I just want to say that the flexibility of BH teams seems like a point to consider, being able to play teams of 2 dps (for example acheron and BH is amazing) or not depend on a pj make very comfortable for me.
@jblitz200
2 ай бұрын
AVENTURINE MY GOAT WOOOOOO THATS MY BUSTER
@dur_durr9387
2 ай бұрын
Like he SHOULD 🔥
@keneunaegbu851
2 ай бұрын
Peak character in every aspect fr
@Tam-lv1mp
2 ай бұрын
Peak character. Peak gameplay. Peak story
@kyotheman69
2 ай бұрын
he's awesome
@definitelynotatroll777
2 ай бұрын
As what peaknacony characters should be
@harrychrizt
2 ай бұрын
why dont u click on FF's page and see in the CALCULATION tab, it is >60% contribution of HMC dmg tho, lmao
@exu7325
2 ай бұрын
And? Who cares, he's free.
@lolomomario76
2 ай бұрын
A good Acheron needs S1, and either Black Swan, Kafka, or Silver Wolf. A good Firefly only needs a Ruan Mei to be insane, as Gallagher and E6 HMC are free. FF feels infinitely much better to play and get as opposed to a good Acheron team.
@elielekberov5405
2 ай бұрын
I have both and I prefer Acheron team i can use them everywhere in every situation unlike Firefly team. I have ruan mei with her light cone. Acheron still feels most comfortable for me.
@lolomomario76
2 ай бұрын
@@elielekberov5405 Acheron is more reliable in most situations, but my E0S0 Acheron always looks like she's struggling in comparison to my Firefly team at least in MoC and the like.
@Cocxy69
2 ай бұрын
Are people forgetting about the investment part? Farming crit rate + crit damage + speed + atk, and hunting main stats in planer relics in a normal dps like acheon is just hell meanwhile Firefly with literally Dendro Hyperbloom treatment Also Lightcone another investment needed to compare E0 Acheron to Firefly, otherwise Firefly is just better
@zap7737
2 ай бұрын
Except you dont go for speed on acheron, so take that out. And you do realize that its tied, right? Acheron is looking for 3 stats, FF is looking for 3 stats. Theres no difference in the investment department. Ive spent about 2k stamina since firefly dropped and have maybe 3 usable, but dog shit, pieces.
@kismyers5207
2 ай бұрын
@@zap7737except crit rate and crit dmg are fundamentally rarer substats which makes them harder to get therefore harder to build in contrast to Atk&break effect which are more common
@Randomguy-fi5bt
2 ай бұрын
Took me 3 days worth of trailblaze power to get a good firefly build with a couple self modeling resin. Took me weeks to get a good acheron build
@deejnutz2068
2 ай бұрын
@@Randomguy-fi5btit's been months and I'd say I'm only at 60% optimal stats for Acheron.
@marknavarro-tj3dd
2 ай бұрын
Nobody cares about genshit lmao😂 that game is shit
@Skyace13
2 ай бұрын
1 thing underrated? that has shown up with Bronya and firefly is that you can still get value even with INSANE speed units like firefly by using auto attacks to get a larger action advance
@WhoStoleMyNachos
2 ай бұрын
I would say that Acheron is infinitesimally better than Firefly at E0S1 given how massive Acherons LC is for her while there isn't much difference between FF LC and fall of an aeon, but Firefly really wins in how much easier she is to reach her full potential for. Very strong F2P LC option, (that Acheron just does not have, you NEED her signature) 1 of the best supports for her is given to everyone, the best sustain for her is a 4* meaning pretty much everyone can not only get him but get his absurdly strong eidolons too, and the last BiS support is also incredibly high pull value given she can work with any team that comes out in the future regardless of whether break teams remain relevant. Not to mention, all of them pretty much only need spd and break effect, making building them much easier than Acheron teams. So Acheron may be slighter better than Firefly in a vacuum, but Firefly is pretty much at the exact same level of performance while being significantly more accessible to a lot wider range of players, so if I had to choose one to put in T0 over the other I'd choose Firefly.
@exu7325
2 ай бұрын
The Acheron glazing is crazy, look at her average clear speed. Her being "T0" is just overkill damage brainrot (I have E0S1 Acheron btw).
@thegamewoods8473
2 ай бұрын
The fact people keep trying to push this idea that Firefly is bad if you take away her supports is laugable. By that logic Xiangling is a bad unit because she needs Bennett and Hu Tao is a bad unit because she needs XQ. Why would you not rank a character using their best team? Anything less doesn't make sense. Anyways, between Acheron and Firefly frankly its rather close. Acheron can abuse more supports for the time being and is slightly more consistent (with her LC), but Firefly is ridiculously cheap in terms of team, build, and gear. At Dolphin investment (E2S1), Firefly is firmly ahead simply because her E2 is just better than Acherons, its actually pretty hilarious they gave her Seeles resurgence with a much more forgiving trigger. People bring up that Acheron doesn't have her BiS support and ill argue neither does Firefly. Both teams have plenty of room for improvement and its gonna be a treat to see how future units shake things up for Nihility and Break meta as a whole.
@3.16music
2 ай бұрын
27:52 All jokes aside, I’ve been thinking about this too. Either just drop JL to T1, or replace her with someone. With how broken some characters are nowadays, I don’t think she’s worthy to be there anymore
@yuulb.alwright
2 ай бұрын
Both FF and acheron are equal from my experience, both these team pretty much can clear all modes, yes including pure fiction. While in Apo and MOC i am using standard lineup, i just need include himeko in FF team in Pure fiction. (Note: i use DOTacheron)
@miguiREC
2 ай бұрын
I hava an E0S1 Acheron and an E1S0 Firefly My Acheron has 3617 ATK, 100% CritR and 202% CritDMG (in combat with Fu Xuan) My Firefly has 2801 ATK, 161 speed and 289,3% Break Effect (in combat, without HTB technique. And she doesn't have any ornament set cause my luck is atrocious) I tested both teams on the 6th stage of the Xianzhou's MoC where the boss is weak to lightning and there's no trotter. My Firefly team made a 0 cycle and my Acheron team ended at the start of 1 cycle and overall the Firefly team feels better to play.
@Borovski213
2 ай бұрын
They equal. Acheron no dmg until ult, FF no damage until break
@handlerone5172
2 ай бұрын
That's not accurate. A well-built Acheron can do 30-40k on her skill easily. FF on the other hand does need to break and then supah break.
@Cocxy69
2 ай бұрын
@@handlerone5172 except acheron goes one time meanwhile firefly goes 4 times in 1 cycle
@BuiltSimilarG
2 ай бұрын
@@handlerone517230-40k is absolutely nothing. I can hit like a little less than 50k skill with Acheron but it still is pretty meh lmao
@Nemeseos-777
2 ай бұрын
@@handlerone5172lol Except Acheron goes once per ult Firefly goes 4 times per ult Also Firefly ult comes WAY faster
@handlerone5172
2 ай бұрын
@@Nemeseos-777 and? Acheron doesn't require weakness broken. You potentially have to waste dps trying to do that.
@iamctrl963
2 ай бұрын
saying boothil has only one team while completely ignoring firefly is kinda insane , i would argue that boothil can use more supports than firefly remove hmc and firefly dmg will be mid tier , boothil can still use bronya/pela and still do fine
@ariefa7525
2 ай бұрын
Gallagher is the reason I am not continuing to pull for fu xuan and pull ruan mei instead. Even in dotcheron team he is very useful with his debuff on his ult and break capabilities
@neerajsgameroom7365
2 ай бұрын
I still think firefly should be priority because she can clear any boss because she applies weakness and ruan mei is really good but we need different dps for different bosses so firefly should be priority
@reggaemarley4617
2 ай бұрын
I think Acheron is probably more future proof given that we already have boss enemies that make their break bars immune to damage. I don't think MoC/Apocalyptic Shadow bosses have yet to increase their effect res. Only the Simulated Universe bosses where that's offset by blessings. So Acheron seems like she'll be able to stay relevant longer.
@pptctv
2 ай бұрын
Tons of people saying same about different playstyles, but all this yapping ended with nothing. Do you even know that FF dont care even about Sam and he is her really one dangerous enemy? Ach is good now, but not even close to FF, same with any other meta team, because ach dont have difference with these teams.
@reggaemarley4617
2 ай бұрын
@@pptctv No other playstyle is literally hard countered by a mechanic in game. Kafka exists to make DoT viable against slow enemies. Hypercarries just beat everything. There isn’t any mechanic that actively counters followups. I don’t think Hoyo will let Firefly fall off any time soon, but the fact remains that the barriers to reducing her viability already exist in game.
@pptctv
2 ай бұрын
@@reggaemarley4617 HYV can create tons to annoying things to counter EVERY MECHANIC in this game. Im already told you about sam and this is literally only unit who can give problems to FF and this problem creates just because you need to wait, lol. Well, if you that sure, so you can also wait 100% eff res on enemies, 100% crit res on enemies, 80% element res on enemies and etc, they really add at in 5 patches, sure.
@DmdQar
2 ай бұрын
@@reggaemarley4617quantum dino exist it counters every crit hypercarries do you forget? Hoyo can shutdown any meta
@durito8679
2 ай бұрын
@@reggaemarley4617Wait till they release mobs with immunity to debuffs ✌️
@Ghalion666
2 ай бұрын
Everyone compares Pela's ult to SW's ult being multi vs single target. Which I frankly think is super unimportant compared to Pela's ult being cheap and relatively spammable vs SW's uilt which REQUIRES E1 to be affordable, but, at e0, SW's ult is very expensive
@kpoptrashmedz9455
2 ай бұрын
Ruan mei deserved that T0 spot and luocha is still good cuz i use him with hmc ruan mei and firefly since aven and luocha are my only 5 star sustain. I have gall but i dont have enough materials to build him, ill probably wait for lingsha to come out and see what she does!
@Localpref416
2 ай бұрын
I use both luocha and Gallagher. They both have uses but Gallagher is better for super break/debuff stacking.
@kpoptrashmedz9455
2 ай бұрын
@@Localpref416 yeah me too luocha is very sp positive and keeps ur team alive, firefly health drain helps luocha gains stack faster for his healing aura passive
@areyoutrippin9730
2 ай бұрын
24:56 To answer your question, I would say that Sampo is better since his E4 make him have an excellent synergie with BS (even tho Kafka is better) by triggering his own Dots which also give more Dots stacks to BS. As for Luka, his E6 also make him be in another league compared to the acrobat women since he can just make the ennemy take 8% of the bleed damages he had on him, and since bleed scale on the opponent max hp (to a certain extent or it would have been too op) he can do ENORMOUS damages quickly if well built, he also do big break damage so for me thoses are the reasons Luka and Sampo are on another tier as her. As a Dot main since launch I also never really played her since I already had Luka and Sampo.
@CTY547
2 ай бұрын
I'd say that Acheron is a little bit better than Firefly because if the enemy locks their toughness gauge, then Firefly just can't do any damage. But for Acheron, you can always just brute force your way through anything. The only silver lining is that those kinds of enemies are relatively rare, but they absolutely hard counter any break team.
@eh1165
2 ай бұрын
I panic pulled her E2S1 two days before the banner ended 😭 I mean I do have E1 RM for her but I wanted e0s1 Jiaoqiu next patch and Lingsha the one after that. I'm not even gonna try to pull for Black Swan's E1 for my dot team. I'll pray break stays viable for a long time.
@Flair86_
2 ай бұрын
DHIL clears Ratio by miles lmao
@Dragondave17real
2 ай бұрын
30:52 going to need super glue for that SUPA BREAK damage.
@feyandhisstuff9888
2 ай бұрын
Firefly is not a dps because she’s similar as Kafka or BS. Her team is not just her and others boosting her. Her team is capable to do current MoC 0 cycle even without her which is not the case for Acheron. FF is not the main part of her team but Acheron is. So that’s why she can be only in specialist tier. She sucks and dps, in Genshin those heroes called Drivers
@binkus5298
2 ай бұрын
My takes on the tierlist: Harmony Trailblazer move a tier down (Many of Pokke's args.). Bronya move a tier up, and tingyun move a tier down (Bronya not only gives an extra action, that extra action in turn provides more energy to the dps as well, as for sp issues, sparkle makes sp irrelevant). Dont try Bronya with e0 acheron, I personally prefer fu xuan to aventurine.
@rdr.erased
2 ай бұрын
Harmony characters carry this game
@saklas428
2 ай бұрын
I still prefer Acheron than FF, in a sense that she doesn't have quite flexibility that Acheron has. In the case that you fight the enemy that cannot break (i.e., firefly herself), the damage is fallen off considerably. Also, the team comp, FF needs to have Ruan Mei and HMC otherwise her damage is dropped significantly, while Acheron has more options. I don't think the relic investment is the argument here since FF needs much higher speed than Acheron (some guides mentioned >150) which for some people that's hard to come by as well.
@Toonlink003
2 ай бұрын
Acheron may have more flexible teams but FF seem like more easier unit to build, at most she only requires RM (a unit that most people will roll for anyway),HMC is literally free,,and just building SPD and BE % on substats is much easier than getting CR/CD/ATK and sometimes spd on some acheron teams. FF even has a more easier time getting SPD because the new 2p gives 6% SPD. Acheron also needs a lightcone to even compete with FF, so in the end both require additional investment outside of their own character except that rolling for RM is much better than rolling for LC. As for non-breakable enemies, simply use her on the other side of MoC, either way the game isn't full of unbreakable enemies, at worst you won't be able to use her on future patches when break teams shilling stops, which is not any time soon, so for now, if you are against a unbreakable enemy, you use FF on the second team.
@saklas428
2 ай бұрын
@Toonlink003 I understand that many players may already have the Acheron team built, and her supports are versatile. On the other hand, I need to farm specifically for Gallagher and HMC, which are more specific to the break team. Considering the current state of the game where two teams are necessary, I would still choose Acheron and FF. Having different units that utilize various mechanics is enjoyable and adds depth to the gameplay. However, I find it unfortunate that FF heavily relies on RM and/or HMC to function effectively, similar to Tingyun's situation in the early game. It would be beneficial if more support for the break team were released in the future.
@Toonlink003
2 ай бұрын
@@saklas428 There's nothing wrong with having the perfect team from the getgo. It just shows how synergistic FF team is that it leaves no room for other character unless you want to lose "Potential damage". The alternative, having to roll for LC (or get lucky), seems way worse. And thats were lays the problem, "potential damage", FF without RM, HMC and gallagher loses a ton of potential damage. But so does Acheron without her perfect teammates and specially without LC. Releasing more break supports doesn't really solve the problem, to the contrary, it would add powercreep to the team, because FF team has no problems in terms of synergy
@boo5860
2 ай бұрын
ARGENTI IS SO UNDERRATED I literally cleared moc 12 first half comfortably with E0S0 argenti hypercarry with full stars easily
@ignisdracorex6433
2 ай бұрын
I personally see Firefly more as a Enabler like Nilou in Genshin. The DMG that Acheron does comes from Acheron herself where as the DMG Firefly does comes more from Harmony MC. She enables Harmony MC's super break to really pop of. Harmony MC needs Firefly to really make his/her super break shine where as Firefly needs Harmony MC to do the amount of DMG that she can bring for the team. So i think having her in the Specalist category is fitting.
@Accountthatexists
2 ай бұрын
25:40 i recently just built xeuiyi and hot take.......with superbreak, i think shes better then seele
@zap7737
2 ай бұрын
lmao
@Princessk8
2 ай бұрын
Honestly I don't agree that Bronya should be a tier below tingyun. To me that's silly. Bronya is an amazing support.
@Tiasung
2 ай бұрын
I have Acheron on both my accounts. One copium E0S0 with Pela + Sampo/Welt, one with BS/Pela/SW that I eventually E2S1'd. Even at E0S0 level my main Acheron was just way better as a result of having that second premium Nihility character. Pela is great for the DEF shred but she doesnt quite apply debuff (and deals like no damage) like BS or SW can. and this is something you need esp on a E0S0 Acheron. Also lacking the LC is just Painge. The alternatives either lack the damage or the debuff potential. Firefly needs a team with good synergy too, but hers requires 1 free unit, one 4* that comes on her banner (comparable to Pela for Acheron) and one premium unit. (rather then 2) Plus her LC is easily replacable with an alternative. So she is just much easier to use at low investment levels or F2P. Ofcourse if you do have BS or SW to add to Acheron team (or pulled her LC) its a different story. The extra debuff application + dps makes a huge difference to her team. That said, I would say a full Acheron team (with SW/BS, debuff capable sustain) has better longevity and flexibility since Acheron does not care about breakbar-locking.
@bjornnilsson2941
2 ай бұрын
Super hard to compare Acheron and Firefly since their differences are so huge. I do think Firefly’s ceiling is higher but Acheron always performs. Firefly’s team is made up of 3 DPS whereas Acheron has to pull the whole load herself, unless you’re comparing it to Dotcheron. At the end of the day though if you can only have 2 DPS then Acheron and Firefly is your best value. For pure fiction we have “free” DPSs on top with Himeko and Herta so you don’t really need to pull for that mode.
@asdhds8316
2 ай бұрын
I was so shocked when i 0 cycled in auto play using e2s1 firefly with bronya instead of gallagher. My e2s1 acheron never did that even in her first release moc buff💀
@shambles168
2 ай бұрын
what stats
@asdhds8316
2 ай бұрын
@@shambles168 ff? Kinda mid stats since i just sticked her with the set for her, she has like: 2.3k attack 200 be 144 speed But with full rotation buff she has 480 be
@asdhds8316
2 ай бұрын
I am still farming relics for her, so she would still get stronger
@shambles168
2 ай бұрын
@@asdhds8316 she can 0 cycle with those? what’s ur stats on bronya and rm?
@asdhds8316
2 ай бұрын
Bronya:e1s1 172 speed 129 er RM:e0s1 160 speed Almost 200 be All of their traces maxed
@Blackoutdmc
2 ай бұрын
It''s true that Harmony Traiblazer is very reliant on Ruan Mei to be at their bests. Despite that, I believe they're up that high because that character enables your entire team, sustainers and other supports included, allows them to hit upwards of 100-150k damage on each of their turns. Anyy character that can turn everyone else into a DPS is absolutely deserving of one of the top spots. They basically dragged Ruan Mei, Gallaher, Himeko, and (apparently) Misha back up into relevance. The Break meta simply does NOT perform as well without Trailblazer.
@akdrzllol1698
2 ай бұрын
Aventurine the goat where he needs to be🗣️ as someone who still uses jingliu I still think she’s 0.5. Ratio needs to go up aswell because of the ipc team.
@DandDgamer
2 ай бұрын
For Bronya it's an interesting case study on how their ranking system works. Iirc they are rating her E0S0. For which 1.5 is fine or even generous. Her E1 and her S1 significantly fix her SP issues and many players have them, so their actual Bronya experience will be T1 or even higher with boothill
@darika3672
2 ай бұрын
Can firefly kill all 3 trotters in a simulated simulator? If not, then Acheron still the queen dps 🤣
@zap7737
2 ай бұрын
she cannot lol
@Misaka05050
2 ай бұрын
FF by herself? IDK. But I tried that with FF, HTB, RM and Gallagher and they managed to kill the 3 trotters. I would say both FF and Acheron can kill those 3.
@darika3672
2 ай бұрын
There will always be a "character" defender here 🤣
@Misaka05050
2 ай бұрын
@@darika3672 Is that directed towards me? Because I'm not sure. I'm just stating my experience. Granted, this is simulated universe we're talking about and you can make your characters cracked in that mode.
@savageking1786
2 ай бұрын
When is there an MoC where there's no trash mobs for Boothill to kill?
@Localpref416
2 ай бұрын
Never
@awbofaar3611
2 ай бұрын
Next MoC
@xDJxChowwy
2 ай бұрын
Previous MoC with energy MoC buff had stage 11 with no trash mobs (Svarog) and no physical weakness. Best I could do was 1 cycle but if I had 1 more skillpoint e.g RM lc, I could definitely 0 cycle with no trash mobs. Windset Boothill leggooo
@hunkynchunky
2 ай бұрын
I truly just stopped caring about meta cause all my favorites are mid according to them. Nonetheless, it's fun to hear people talk about it and see people go crazy over them.
@AqilaRarasati-yq9lx
2 ай бұрын
I'm looking for 2nd team 😂, but these yapping between a and b confusing me, I just want to clear any content 3 star with this 2 team so I can get all the free jades I can
@Heartlessi
2 ай бұрын
I think its completly fair for 2 different or even more T0 dps to be on a list as long as they do a different arcetype of dmg so for example a normal crit dps compared to a break centered one can both be t0
@k.s.4292
2 ай бұрын
I think this easily would oversaturate t0. Then you have at least DoT to worry about aswell, arguably FuA too even if they also want the crit stats like hypercarry
@gem_ola6642
2 ай бұрын
Then you need to make Dot tl too
@dilucragnvindr130
2 ай бұрын
Firefly's team is consistently doing more damage as a team. In Acheron's team, it is only Acheron.
@Nemeseos-777
2 ай бұрын
E0S0 Firefly > Acheron E0S1? Now the comparison starts
@KFCG427
2 ай бұрын
Hey... Jingliu wanna join the gang too
@hachiman205
2 ай бұрын
@@KFCG427 jungliu is arguably not even top 5 lol. Based on situations. Dhil, ratio, boothill outperform her. They kinda in the same ballpark
@joshnoritake3167
2 ай бұрын
E1s0 ff to e1s1 Acheron…I’m not actually sure LOL
@Donkam_haurder
2 ай бұрын
@@hachiman205yeah her enhance only have 2 stack and it's hard to clear faster without Bronya or sparkle
@maingrader4434
2 ай бұрын
@@KFCG427jingliu is ass bruh even i stopped using her
@pukipuki6712
2 ай бұрын
my firefly's enhanced e does the same amount of damage as my archeons burst and she can let off multiple of them while archeron sits there like a idiot collecting stacks.
@spice2688
2 ай бұрын
I think that Acheron is probably better in general over Firefly. Acheron has more flexible teams, and she doesn't get completely fucked by weakness guarding enemies. If their damage numbers alone are similar, then I think that's the case to me.
@D4C_267
2 ай бұрын
Who cares about team flexibility when your one team has 2 free characters and is strong enough to bruteforce any content the game throws at you. Firefly is better.
@electrickzy
2 ай бұрын
I agree , they can always just introduce more enemies like the penacong gorilla & sam that locks their toughness meters to nerf firefly
@josephtsai1003
2 ай бұрын
Still have no idea why ppl care about team flexibility when hmc and Gallagher are free. Acheron is less flexible if anything since she needs two nihility. Either way it doesn’t matter since you’re using the best team anyways, no point settling for less.
@elijahjarobi
2 ай бұрын
@@D4C_267 hoyo is shilling firefly HARD, wait till next moc to see her actual strength
@MJAY552
2 ай бұрын
Enemies with high Effect RES is more common than weakness protection.
@shimeji_e
2 ай бұрын
meta slaves : MoC is the only thing that matters in the game😎 also meta slaves: dont get blinded by MoC buffs guys, and enemy weakness are tailored towards featured units so you can't judge them by MoC 👉🏻👈🏻😢
@gregoryzeng9901
2 ай бұрын
Lol Acheron isn't even beating out DHIL in cycle clears right now, where do people go off thinking she would be better than Firefly.
@LegendsOfSushi
2 ай бұрын
Firefly has the most busted as hell eidolons for the first two you can get with her and much more impactful and beneficial than Acheron’s first two eidolons. So if you’re not a giga whale, but you make an exception to whale to get them to that point where you can E2S1 them, Firefly definitely wins by a landslide.
@KhmerKaleido
2 ай бұрын
ARCHERON MAIN 💜
@siege_sensei
2 ай бұрын
If both FF and Acheron are E0 S0, I'd say Firefly. I cleared MOC with 2/5/5/5 talents and no nodes unlocked. My acheron has 80/160 but without the weapon it takes too long to get her ult up. Imo it's hard to gauge the 2 because acheron's damage is inflated by dead targets and FF with E2 atks 6-8 times per ult window.
@inventedbaton958
2 ай бұрын
I really gotta wait and see bc rn all of the content except pf juices break teams, and Acheron has proven to still be very effective in everything. Now I just need to see firefly outside of her best conditions
@donew1thita11
2 ай бұрын
Fraudfly
@kenchen1351
2 ай бұрын
They also provide buffs for Acheron currently (lightning weakness on both in MoC, and ult buff in AS).
@3setsofdrums
2 ай бұрын
acheron's case is that a lot of people probably have a universal crit set in their arsenal alr and probably dont wanna farm another full set, and firefly NEEDS ruan mei too idc what people say (she loses ~40% of her damage if you sub pela for her) so that's that. acheron's team choices are also a bit wider. firefly's case is that she gets an f2p 5* cone and is more universal bcs she deals pretty much max damage on any element. broken enemies also mean less damage taken for allies, and her strongest team has two characters with 4* amounts of trace material investments, with ruan mei being the exception. speaking of ruan mei, probably everyone has her by now, right? she's actually game breaking. i know how break and super break works now thanks guys lol. comment is heavily edited.
@kenchen1351
2 ай бұрын
"break scales with enemy hp" - Break doesn't scale with enemy hp. Instead, it scales with enemy toughness. In addition, firefly is mostly doing super break damage instead of break damage, which require taking down toughness first. The higher the toughness, the harder for her to start doing damage.
@3setsofdrums
2 ай бұрын
@@kenchen1351 oops huge mistake. i assumed that since i always break boss enemies for more damage. also thought super break scaled with enemy hp too lol
@kismyers5207
2 ай бұрын
i have acheron e2 s1 and i can say that the amount of investment towers over the amount needed for firefly to work. acheron needs her lc, at e2 she wants sparkle and her lc, aventurine and his lc and the upcoming jiaoqiu+lc for her best team. That’s 10 5* needed compared to ff at e2 only needing ruanmei(who is the best unit in the game/most valuable by far). I’m anticipating that new premium limited 5* break supports will further increase ff’s strength. Not to mention FF has infinite scaling with her atk-be conversion so it’ll be a while before she’s obsolete.
@3setsofdrums
2 ай бұрын
@@kismyers5207 wow, that's a lot of investment. thing is, i've seen people do really well with lower investment acheron's with pela and friends, and her damage doesn't stoop as low as firefly without ruan mei. she does need her lc though. -there will probably be not a bad 4* sub for her in the future but right now we'll just have to see lol- good night sleep well
@Regulus37
2 ай бұрын
I really do think we should hold off Acheron vs Firefly until Acheron gets her best support Jiaoqiu. Firefly team is more f2p friendly (unless new player that can't get both FF and RM) and way easier to build to get going. In terms of f2p friendly, FF is already cracked at e0s0 with Fall of the Aeon f2p Herta LC, IMC is free, with selector via event, you should be able to get Gallagher. FF, RM, IMC, and Gallagher, an awesome team right there.
@editimpact66
2 ай бұрын
then we get 5* break sustain, then we get 5* Pela, then we get limited SUPERBREAKer and it just keeps continuing xD
@nothingsrs
2 ай бұрын
Keep in mind when he's ripping into Silver Wolf at around 18:00 that he doesn't mention that she also reduces resistance to the element she implants, which firefly and boothill don't (they just implant the weakness to break toughness, but their attacks won't do more damage because of said implant). SW's tier placing is fine, but the lack of nuance hurts the credibility of the argument :x
@mrpokkee
2 ай бұрын
SW's main purpose is the weakness implant, not RES down. You're still not gonna run her if DPS can already apply weakness implant. If you want RES just go RM, or a potential new debuffer in the future. EG: You will never run SW with boothill since his BIS is RM/Bronya. You will never run SW with FF since her BIS is RM/HMC.
@Taunt69
2 ай бұрын
sw is dead
@Astamingo
2 ай бұрын
I know I comment a lot about Boothill BUT you're wrong about a lot of things when it comes to this character with all respect : 1 - Boothill is not only tied to his team but he also works INSANELY WELL with Acheron. You think that's cap ? Try it, this sh^t 0 cycles so effortlessly it makes you c^m. 2 - Boothill does not face any problems in a scenario without the summoned enemies because he's ment to be surounded by the allies corresponding to the ennemy's weakness type. At the end of the day this is a team based game. Which leads me to the 3rd point : 3 - He's not tied to a specific team comp. You can pair him up with Acheron (AND YES I INSIST THIS TEAM IS RIDICULOUS), with FF too, a team with Pela instead of Harmony MC works (Ice break+def shred = more break dmg). He's not tied to Harmony MC at all, his kit revolves around the break, not the Super Break WHILE FF is a Super Break main DPS. 4 - Your team is the one that is supposed to clear the little mobs on the field, you just have to target them and let your team break them then you get your stacks, and when you face the Boss or the Elite, you litteraly two taps him and send him with Tectone's hair in the void. Boothill is litteraly made for Giga chads while Firefly is more made for beginners and lazy people that don't want to think. Boothill is like this insane motorbike and Firefly is that kids bike with 4 wheels (THE EXACT SAME HUOHUO VS FU XUAN DEBATE).
@Azmuth01
2 ай бұрын
Number 1 is the truest thing ever. I randomly tried both of them in a single team and like wtf, she's gaining stacks from Boothill???
@andysabur4966
2 ай бұрын
got any suggestions for the BH/Acheron combo? I accidentally made this combo with Welt/Luka while farming overworld xp and got ambushed. Both of em arent sp positive, so im thinking I do Pela/sustain but then I lose out on 40% dmg for Acheron
@foggyfrog
2 ай бұрын
I got him because he's so cool and I enjoy his gameplay the most in the game. Once you know how it works, it is very efficient and satisfying, glad he can also fit into many teams, which just makes him even more fun. Now I wish I pulled for HuoHuo instead of Fu Xuan.
@Astamingo
2 ай бұрын
@@andysabur4966 you usually want SP positive unit to pair both of them together and the key unit to make this team work is Ruan Mei
@renorzeta
2 ай бұрын
and we will get more unit with 240 energy. Tingyun stock is sliding down. but i'm still coping to see 5* Harmony that can refills Energy or increase Energy regen. anyway in best scenario for FF she is too BRAINROT. Spin to Win like old Warframe
@onlybanguish6171
2 ай бұрын
Those who say FF is better have probably lost 50/50 on Boothill. Surely the trotter giving 60% BE, 30% atk and E2 for free besides trio having 180-240-180 thoughness is not frauding the ranking. See you vs no tailor made MoC.
@tracytan5488
2 ай бұрын
i would like to see how future boss got either got weakness locked or some gimmicks to prevent weakness break... then all ff user will nag
@jackmanleblanc2518
2 ай бұрын
People always try to use this argument and every single time when we move on to an MoC not tailor made for that powerfuL DPS, the DPS always ends up being just as good.
@kingcopium9143
2 ай бұрын
i mean... there's already gameplay on private servers so I think she'll be just fine lol.
@ceoofbingchilling2501
2 ай бұрын
@@kingcopium9143 I think I know what video you talking about. the one where they put firefly against every past moc right?
@kingcopium9143
2 ай бұрын
@@ceoofbingchilling2501 yup
@editimpact66
2 ай бұрын
with future units that doesn't require debuff, Topaz is gonna be so much better. Like right now the only extremely good fua dps is ratio but he requires debuffs, I'm guessing once the unit I saw in my dreams come out she will not be restricted to just Ratio, making her better. Really recommend Pokke to check her personal damage with(I think?) final victor and swordplay at s5 because she now has those options available with recent changes to prydwen's criterias.
@tactaillike
2 ай бұрын
if we didn't ever have to worry about enemies locking their toughness bars ever again, FF would probably come out on top... enemies with high effect res def suck too but acheron can still deal at least some damage rather than being completely locked out- super break teams being super easy to counter (on paper) is prob the only reason they can be considered balanced at all
@kenchen1351
2 ай бұрын
You are missing out Automaton Beetle, it just about if they want to lock you out.
@TheWindsofWonder
2 ай бұрын
10:15. That's a MAJOR cap. Especially since both Jingliu and Blade are extremely SP-friendly. You can easily Sustain with Aventurine since using skill more often with him would be the optimal rotation. It allows for more consistent shields and a more consistent ult.
@jdrm3710
2 ай бұрын
30:52 SUUUUUUPAH BREAAAAAAK
@noreakseymeang5641
2 ай бұрын
OURGENERAL XD
@zeodark2761
2 ай бұрын
I have E2S1 Acheron and E0S1 Firefly. I highly prefer Acheron team because firefly team takes a crazy amount of setup and requires ults to be up at all time. If anyone’s buffs are down, the team is down. Acheron gains 3 stacks towards her ult every turn along with Aventurines ult/lightcone debuff and pella stacks debuffs quick as well. Acherons team feels incredibly stress free and requires 0 effort to wipe everything But I would NOT be using Acheron at E0S0. The easy 9 stacks from E2S1 and free slot for sparkle is what makes her good Sorry to anyone that didn’t get Acheron to E2S1. Definitely try for it later
@Azxahmed
2 ай бұрын
32:29 FF already has insane supports like RM Let’s wait for the gay pela and see who’s better then
@ectoBiologist21
2 ай бұрын
Then we might as well wait for Lingsha too.
@QuanNguyen-Ciel
2 ай бұрын
Let's not forget Lingsha, the upcoming break healer
@Yaoyue春
2 ай бұрын
@@QuanNguyen-Cielshe's not exactly healer, some say she reduce damage opponent deals, so that's another type of preservation i guess.
@danusorn8655
2 ай бұрын
You CAN run Aventurine with Jingliu! His shields are so fat and the HP drain is so minuscule
@xxaviermmxx
2 ай бұрын
In a Firefly vs Acheron fight, I pick Yinlin 🤙
@laughingd4518
2 ай бұрын
Idk man, I see a lot of whales here that don't appreciate Acheron e0s0. Now granted I have s5 gnsw, my acheron still does 60k-100k dmg per skill, 2 targets and 300-400k ult 2 targets.
@saulGOOD95
2 ай бұрын
boothill never stood a chance tbh, bro was doomed to fail by hoyo
@zap7737
2 ай бұрын
nope. Hes succeeding just fine.
@chinhcui1481
2 ай бұрын
i got E6 Natasha like 3-5 days into the game and she carried my ass in the first few months because i only have her and Fu until Lynx came out
@pally3370
2 ай бұрын
Acheron- and its not close. Remember when Jingliu and DHIL competed for a few months on who was better? How unarguably at the start, Jingliu was better due to ease of use, and the fact HP on MOC bosses had low enough hp to die within 3 jingliu turns? DHIL was always better. DHIL had higher multiplers, and consistent damage that could be dished out *every turn*, and even if you didn't have 3 skill points, his ult dealt about the same as Jingliu's ult. The only issue with DHIL, was how easy it was to build them. After sparkle released, DHIL didn't need any extra speed, and you could comfortably run a crit rate body and still hit 200+ cdmg. Jingliu fell behind DHIL, because her damage was locked away between two skill uses to enter her enhanced state. (Sound familar?) Jingliu has been fading into obscurity as damage checks increased past entering 4-6 enhanced skills. Firefly is the staple unit of super break teams, and as such, she has been pushed HEAVILY during this MOC. This MOC buff is the most handicapped buff we've gotten since the dissociation MOC- action advance, ATK% and Break% buffs on kill, stacking up to 150%+ break. As hp for bosses continues to rise, as well as speed and action value requirements, firefly will start to fall behind. Whereas- Acheron, while potentially becoming powercrept in the future, will continue to scale well as we obtain more nihility units, because thats all she needs.
@gregoryzeng9901
2 ай бұрын
Horrible take. What does speed and action value requirements matter? Firefly has a 25% AF on her skill and ult pushes her to easily 210 SPD +. If the enemy can't lock their weakness bar Firefly 100% out damages Acheron. She very much is the Kafka of super break teams, as Firefly enables faster breaks and has a kit that enables a lot of super break procs. Your case that Acheron will scale off of more Nihility units is the same with any other DPS, Firefly will get more break supporters and so will the standard hypercarries. There's no point talking about future value since all DPS will have their supports some day.
@JinWoo..
2 ай бұрын
Starting the video off with king yuan praise W
@rubic7447
2 ай бұрын
I heard Jiaoqiu would be Acheron's best partner.
@Zacrone77
2 ай бұрын
Yeah especially for E0S1 or E0S0 if u haven't the lightcone
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