How could a Naledi get (pull) a dead body through the Superman Crawn? I've seen the cavers inch their way through this extremely narrow space. To do that while at the same time dragging a body doesn't seem realistic at all. How about them trying to escape a predator who came into the cave? The only way to safety would be through Superman's crawl. Then, in total darkness they were looking for a way out, got in the chute and could not get out and died there. That's more parsimonious than attributing human cultural traits.
@oooodos1711
3 жыл бұрын
*Darryl de Ruiter is a paleoanthropologist in the Department* of Anthropology at Texas A&M University in College Station, Texas. Originally from Canada, Dr. de Ruiter received his Masters degree in Anthropology at the University of Manitoba in 1995. The following year he moved to South Africa to continue his studies at the University of the Witwatersrand, receiving his PhD from the Department of Anatomical Sciences in 2001. He was employed as a Research Officer in the Bernard Price Institute of the University of the Witwatersrand from 2001 until 2003, when he moved to his current position in Texas. In 2009 Dr. de Ruiter was promoted to Associate Professor, and was selected as a ‘Ray A. Rothrock 77’ Fellow in the College of Liberal Arts at Texas A&M. In 2013 Dr. de Ruiter was promoted to the rank of Professor, and in 2014 he was appointed as a Cornerstone Faculty Fellow in Liberal Arts. In 2016 Dr. de Ruiter was presented the Distinguished Achievement Award for Research by the Association of Former Students of Texas A&M University. Dr. de Ruiter also holds an honorary appointment as a Reader in the Evolutionary Studies Institute at the University of the Witwatersrand, and serves as the principal investigator in charge of craniodental remains at the hominin fossil sites of Malapa and Rising Star in South Africa.
@OrvilleJenkins
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation. Very good summary. Short, succinct, yet covered all the critical factors and the logic of analysis to the conclusion about them
@BeeHash
4 жыл бұрын
The fact that the bodies were placed there over generations shows a number of things. Society, traditions, language, culture as well as many others.
@dplowdude
6 жыл бұрын
Maybe curiosity killed the Neledi. Has anyone considered that over time many individuals were trapped in the cave system? Mainly young and older specimens were found. Perhaps a youngster goes exploring and gets lost. An older member follows and gets lost too. Depending on the density of the population living around the cave and how long this area was inhabited this seems like a viable hypothesis. The distances these individuals would have had to travel in complete darkness with unreliable torch lighting (if in fact they had fire) makes me think that intentional repeated trips to this deep cavern (over generations) are highly unlikely.
@mwj5368
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Don! You raise important questions. I'm just amateur but if I recall correctly they found children far too young to have by curiosity crawled on their own and died at such depths and convoluted pathways. Also I think it would be the same for the very old they found in the deepest chamber.
@DouglasLima
5 жыл бұрын
If that was the case, a series of dead bodies would’ve been found, throughout the cave as you step in, and it is about 60ft under ground. There are different levels and rooms or chamber ps inside the cave system till you reach the Dinaledi chamber. I’ve been there last year and went down through one of the caves, it’s really incredible. I don’t really believe so many specimens would’ve been trapped in the exact same part of the chamber and not anywhere else. It’s not likely to be an acceptable version of the facts. In addition professor Berger explained in other videos that it took them some time and there were bodies of hominids of different ages, shapes, sexes and sizes disposed there. That’s why they believe, till now, that there’s a strong possibility for the chamber to used as a burial site.
@jeffreymcneal1507
3 жыл бұрын
Just what I was wondering. Google “Nadia.”
@galoleoro9694
3 жыл бұрын
Indeed your thoughts are exactly as mine. Getting lost, disoriented in pitch darkness and not being able to find your way back out is the most logical explanation. Furthermore, just like in today's modern world it is usually the young and elderly who get lost in woods, deserts, mountains and even in the mist of cities. The presenter himself states how unwise it would be to light a fire in this cave environment, so how did they even get down there in the first place yet alone dragging a dead body. The fact that there is no evidence for burning of any kind further collaborates that these individuals arrived to a "dead end", no pun intended, in complete darkness and thus were obviously lost. Over a period of perhaps hundreds or even thousands of years the number of bodies deposited there is reasonably compatible with an at chance event. Had bodies been systematically deposited there over an equivalent period of time, even if the population was small, I do believe a much greater number of bodies should have been found. While there is no evidence that getting lost is the reason behind those bodies being there, likewise there is even less evidence to think they were put there on purpose by primitive hominids. I believe the scholarly theory put forth without the least of evidence to even plausibly back it up to be poor science particularly in light of a more logical explanation.
@wnchstrman
3 жыл бұрын
@@galoleoro9694 Wanting it to be burial rather than excluding it. Wishful thinking for some of the same reasons he discussed about the significance of that. ZERO evidence to suggest burial, but they want it to be true despite all evidence suggesting that should not be considered a possibility. In fact he starts his duscussion by describing the difficulty of even getting to the chamber. Belly crawling in complete darkness is not going to be done to bury a body. A desperate hominid looking for a way out, however...
@dimassilva6822
5 жыл бұрын
I don't quite agree that dead disposal is mainly a social practice. I see it more like getting rid of a stinking body that can attract hungry beasts. Regarding the concealment, may be an explanation is yet to be found.
@tonglong1647
5 жыл бұрын
Maybe, people nomadic long time no need to hide dead
@surfk9836
4 жыл бұрын
If it attracts animals, they could just as easily be used as bait.
@mitchwood6609
Жыл бұрын
@@surfk9836 what? lol
@Guytron95
6 жыл бұрын
I'm fascinated by the ecological implications. There's a powerful evolutionary imperative to deprive those predators which are specializing in eating your species any additional sources of food. Not implying any of them thought about this, just that they got the evolutionary reward of depriving their predators/scavengers of an additional food source.
@arimfshapiro7907
4 жыл бұрын
@Best4rtNiteClips Don't be so sure. Guy may be on to something. A deep hole would definitely discourage scavengers.
@sarahrudy163
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting thought. I considered the possibility that this was a method of hiding remains to prevent predator access. Many other animals have some kind of practice for this very purpose. The hard part to grasp is the 8-inch opening to the chamber, but it's not enough to rule it out.
@pestleman1951
5 жыл бұрын
Pondering the Hows and Whys a group of early man folks could or would have journeyed 100 yards down through a lightless cave is simply mind-boggling. I've been spelunking when all my battery powered light sources and spelunkers lamp failed. I can't imagine choosing to undergo the experience voluntarily for any reason whatsoever. I wonder if a few blind members of their group did it since the total lack of light would make no difference to them, but even that does seem rather unlikely?
@newellgster
5 жыл бұрын
Awesome theory.... still bugs me though if the claim that these fossils were spread over time... I mean that one fact bothers me as well... if this was a body dump site then why were there only very few bodies put there over what they claim could be as much as 100 thousand years? Makes no sense... either it should be packed full of bones or you need to explain to me how they performed this burial every 10-30 thousand years.... Weird though.
@arimfshapiro7907
4 жыл бұрын
@@newellgster They excavated 1800 bones in a week. That is more than I would categorize as "very few." Plus, there's many, many more down there.
@jamieblack1452
3 жыл бұрын
In the initial excavation, they found the remains of at least 15 individuals, and left most of the cave in excavated-due to
@jamieblack1452
3 жыл бұрын
Oops, didn’t mean to post yet. They left most of the cave unexcavated due to lack of time, resources, and a desire to leave part of the original site intact for future generations with more advanced sciences to learn more.
@mitchwood6609
Жыл бұрын
THIS IS IT! THIS IS IT! BLIND HALF APE MAN WALKED DOWN INTO THE WHOLE! THAT'S IT! THAT'S IT! YOU SOLVED IT
@stevenalleman9884
5 жыл бұрын
Elephants mourn their dead and scatter their bones
@loganskiwyse7823
5 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see more recent research on this. I know the practice has been recorded and that some have even returned over years to pick up the bones again and again sometimes moving them and sometimes not. But not a lot of serious research has gone into how wide spread or 'active' the behavior is. You bring up a very valid point though, it could be their version of burying the dead.
@newellgster
5 жыл бұрын
That is unclear... one observation recorded on film does not a specie's-wide behaviour make...
@loganskiwyse7823
5 жыл бұрын
@@newellgster It's not one observation. It's several over decades. But this is where science gets hard, because you have to find a way to see it from the elephants perspective and not from our human interpretation of that perspective. In this situation for example, are they mourning the dead, remembering the dead, or just recognizing the bones belonged to their own species?
@newellgster
4 жыл бұрын
@@loganskiwyse7823 agreed...
@KB4QAA
4 жыл бұрын
sA: You cannot say they are "mourning" without asking them! Don't attribute human emotions on animals without proof.
@Simonjose7258
2 жыл бұрын
There's a reason why this is TedX. Definitely a sub-par presentation from someone who's obviously not qualified to speak on the subject. There are PLENTY of lectures here on KZitem from the people who did the excavation and were actually there. I highly recommend jf you're actually interested in the subject.
@Simonjose7258
4 жыл бұрын
13:15 That's not true. (dating to the Middle Pleistocene 335,000-236,000 years ago.)
@mstalcup
5 жыл бұрын
It seems possible that an opening may have once existed directly above the Dinaledi chamber and was kept covered by H. naledi until they needed to throw another corpse down the hole. Later, the cover may have disappeared and the top of the shaft to the chamber filled in with soil and rocks, leaving only the very difficult method of entry we have now.
@newellgster
5 жыл бұрын
See - now that makes sense.... it would explain ... well, possibly explain the lack of other fossils BUT it still seems to me that they need to bring in Geologists and examine the site in detail. I mean - they "covered" the site well enough to keep mice and other vermin from getting in? Seems unlikely.... If there was an opening then it had to be relatively short-lived and eliminated pretty quickly. I mean I live in fkin KY and various small mammals get into EVERYTHING...
@surfk9836
4 жыл бұрын
That is common question. The original scientists had geologist try do determine if there possibly jad been other entrances in the past, but concluded no. Plus getting washed in during a flood was ruled out and the possibility of being dragged in there by a predator was also ruled out. Since this discovery there have been other fossils in other parts of the cave. So to add to the mystery. These new ones look like they were placed on shelf-like areas deliberately.
@BeeHash
4 жыл бұрын
But if this chamber was used as a burial site for generations, then why are there so few bodies found there? What was special about those put there?
@KB4QAA
4 жыл бұрын
BH: How many bodies does it take? BTW, only about 1 square meter of the cave has been excavated, and there are many more bones evident.
@BeeHash
4 жыл бұрын
@@KB4QAA ok thank you for that answer! I've looked everywhere for this info.
@punkmofo
5 жыл бұрын
I gave Dr. Lee Berger this exact hypothesis same thing you mentioned about burial practices in 2015.
@4dthinker582
5 жыл бұрын
Here is a theory for you: You have to climb over a rock fall to get into the chamber. What if that cave-in was what created the dead end chamber and trapped a family group taking refuge in the cave?
@surfk9836
5 жыл бұрын
But they represent multiple generations, and different time events.
@4dthinker582
5 жыл бұрын
@@surfk9836 How exactly do you know that? From what I've heard described, the bones found so far could simply be all from one community group that was killed in one catastrophic event (cave-in). The death profile (more children and elders than healthy adults) could happen if the event happened in the daytime when those adults were all out hunting/foraging. Clustering toward the exit would also be natural as the naledi desperately tried to escape/get oxygen until they succumbed to co2 poisoning.
@newellgster
5 жыл бұрын
@@4dthinker582 No evidence of any cave-in having ever occurred. IF you've read otherwise can you please point to the source. Thanks.
@surfk9836
4 жыл бұрын
@@4dthinker582 There was an extensive program on Nat Geo where these details were examined. Check it out, its fascinating.
@jerrywiese
5 жыл бұрын
That postulation is logical , but if it was a burial chamber , then why are there not many more skeletons in there ? Also why would they initially crawl through a very narrow tunnel in complete darkness ? Hominids probably have an instinctive fear of that . The worst nightmare for most humans ! Even with light from a torch there is the risk of getting stuck , or a dead end , and crawling backwards is very difficult . Possibly occasionally some threat chased one of them to the point of of the vertical climb ? The fear and the adrenalin impelled them further , to the point of the drop off , where they fell and died ?
@pestleman1951
5 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more... See my comment above^^^^.
@BavonWW
5 жыл бұрын
There are many skeletons there with the certainty of even more being discovered. Don't you listen? Perhaps early hominids had no fear of darkness?
@jerrywiese
5 жыл бұрын
@@BavonWW Don't I listen ? Don't you ever think for yourself ? Have you ever been in a narrow cave system ? I have , but you obviously have not . To drag something close to your own body weight up through a narrow tunnel is incredulous . It would be near impossible even with torches and ropes . Perhaps they had no fear of darkness ? Human instincts evolved from the early hominids .
@newellgster
5 жыл бұрын
@@jerrywiese For YOU it would be... these were not modern humans... their body-size is considerably less. Their strength may not have been significantly less. If you offer another explanation then let's hear it ...
@jrileycain6220
Жыл бұрын
When I first learned of the rising star cave discovery I was curious as to how and why the skeletons got so far into these caves. And I wondered, was this how early hominids disposed of their dead? Were caves ossuaries, grave yards? I saw a modern video of the Hazda tribe in Africa. When asked what they think happens after someone dies they said when someone dies they put them in a cave and they go back to the sun.
@Lee-hf2kn
3 жыл бұрын
could the chamber be something for a ritual type thing? like a place where they would've sent their sick and old? I'm studying Anthropology at USU.
@Jungskeptiker
3 жыл бұрын
Do you think, that sick and old people could have gone through this small entrance ? There must exist another entrance, which is covered now with soil.
@mysticoversoul
5 жыл бұрын
Has anyone considered that the optical vision system of early hominins could have been better adjusted to cave darkness like cats, than the vision of modern man?
@pestleman1951
5 жыл бұрын
Yes they have, Neanderthals due to their large eye sockets are considered to possibly had eyes adapted to nocturnal settings... but in the total darkness that occurs in caves just a dozen or fewer yards past the entrance into a winding cave, even super low-level light detection enabled eyes would be useless because it isn't a low level, it's a zero light level. An echo-location ability is the only thing I can imagine working without some artificial light source.
@newellgster
5 жыл бұрын
@Best4rtNiteClips Honestly? That's your answer?
@nookymonster1
4 жыл бұрын
No evidence for it.
@christrammell-strategistla6211
3 жыл бұрын
No, doesn’t fit into our diurnal roots. We are not crepuscular or nocturnal, nor were any direct ancestors. So eyes adapted to dark was not part of our trajectory. 👍🏼
@fukemnukem1525
3 жыл бұрын
Absolute darkness doesn't allow for any sight. There are zero photons in a cave that deep.....it's not dim....it's absolute. The only way that amy animal can navigate that is through echo location.....and that's obviously not happening. It's truly a mystery.
@jamieblack1452
3 жыл бұрын
I see many folks questioning alternative theories. There are several documentaries on here about this. As he clearly says, there is no evidence via soils, geology, and only a few reports of fragments of a single birds bones. No evidence of scavengers, mice, etc. that would occur if the cave was easier to access than it currently is.
@jeffreymcneal1507
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting deductions. Is there an age distribution to the present findings, e.g. do the very young populate a specific area, or density, versus the old? That is missing from what I’ve heard thus far. We assume Naledi needed light to navigate, as Sapiens do. Perhaps they just felt their way about? Perhaps curiosity killed the cat? Maybe, like moths to the flame they were drawn in but couldn’t escape- like a pitcher plant? That the remains were typically very young and the very old might disrupt the curiosity hypothesis, unless the old were trying to seek out and rescue the young, hence distribution data might help explain who was where, by various ages.
@meganlee7972
5 жыл бұрын
I haven't found any information on this, but how old is the cave in relation to how old H. naledi is? By that I mean that we (roughly) age earth and fossils etc. based on the layers present. How much of the cave was actually there when H. naledi was alive? Was it the entire cave system or was it just the very bottom chamber with the small tunnel that lead to it? I have so many questions, sorry:)
@surfk9836
5 жыл бұрын
You haven't looked vry much. National Geographic.
@newellgster
5 жыл бұрын
They believe the cave to be about 3 million years old. The fossils are 2-3 hundred thousand years old
@lobonoir6938
5 жыл бұрын
Has anyone preformed any sound and smell experiments in the cave system ??..If they had no light source they must have relied on sound and smell to navigate the cave system ..Sound and smell would govern their actions within the cave system ..So is it that a member of their clan was lost in the cave system and some attempt to locate their clan mate was initiated ???...Does any location in the cave system provide a rebounding echo ???...What is the natural air flow within the system ???...The chute and superman's crawl would provide a damping effect on sound and smell within the dragon's back area of the system , in my opinion ...How deep is the bone bed in the Dinaledi chamber ???...Is possible to tell how many generations may have used the chamber ???...
@mitchwood6609
Жыл бұрын
they were running for their damned lives from a lion and got stuck down there... it's a very simple answer to a very simple problem.
@caseyjude5472
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting!
@phrayzar
4 жыл бұрын
Brain size is a tough argument to use to determine behaviour. Are elephants and whale's more advanced(for want of a better word) than humans. Another issue that is entirely reasonable is that either the chute or other passages in the cave have adjusted to become smaller over time, not necessarily large shifts, but more of a wall shedding type of situation. A whole other chamber with skeletons has been discovered since, and is a possible example of things changing to some degree in the 280,000 years. Here's another option. As joked about in the talk, maybe another advanced group(humans) murdered them and stuffed the bodies down there. How about another advanced group lived along side Naledi, and disposed of the Naledi dead here. If Naledi are an archaic species, as has been suggested, it must be a possibility that they lived along side a great many other species in the extent of their existence. As time marches on, there seems to be a great deal of historic research that displays cultural values of the era it was published and has to be rewritten regarding things such as animal/human emotion, race bias, religious and cultural bias etc. that has dictated so many findings and now are known to be incorrect.
@mitchwood6609
Жыл бұрын
i still think they were just running from damned lions and got stuck down there but that's just me
@Holy_hand-grenade
7 жыл бұрын
Unless you found symbolic use of ochre, or ritual display of funerary arrangements / remains, you can’t ascribe their burying of the dead as anything other than a biological imperative to remove rotting, decaying flesh from attracting predatory scavengers and pathogens. They may well have realize their dead were creating some issues without falling to their knees in some existential pondering over the passing of Mukuku’Bahktoo.
@allanhuta1862
6 жыл бұрын
As he mentioned, there would be easier ways of getting rid of the body.
@jaybeecee1949
6 жыл бұрын
As was clearly stated, there are other, much simpler means of simply disposing of a corpse. There are cave systems much easier to access that would be suitable for simple disposal or protection of bodies. This particular location offered ultra concealment, indicating some sense of sacredness of the dead. No one has described any kind of “falling to their knees...” scenario, nor is ochre or funerary objects necessary to support the theory of diliberate disposal. No one is claiming rites or practices, just deliberate disposal.
@geoffgeorge3530
6 жыл бұрын
Imperative #1 for any living organism is to use the least amount of effort and face the least amount of danger to achieve a task. If their goal was simply not to attract predators, they could have simply carried the dead far enough from the cave and left them there. that would keep the pradators far away from the cave and would have been much easier physically and much safer. The fact that they engaged in a high risk endeavor to put the bodies in the cave shows that they had a driving force which caused them to go to such lenghts. Since there was no biological imperative which would have driven them to do that in the presence of a much easier and safer method, that means the driving force was something other than biological, i.e. the driving force was symbolic.
@wendybrooks6154
6 жыл бұрын
Holy_Hand_Grenade-of-Antioch I feel exactly the same way. Surely there are “animals” that “move away” from their dead. Just makes sense.
@leahcim3360
5 жыл бұрын
When my grandmother died we didn't symbolically use any ochre in her burial. In fact, there is a whole cemetery on the edge of our small town with several hundred burials over the last couple centuries -- and it is asserted that not one of those graves makes any use, symbolic or otherwise, of any kind of ochre. Of course, we haven;t dug them all up to confirm that assertion.
@charlesstorrs194
2 жыл бұрын
Rather clear there was another entrance. If you can barely get your (overfed) body thru the passage, no way you were dragging your loved one.
@peroskarsson8455
5 жыл бұрын
Why didn't he show the position oof the remains in the cave? I't at least 15 meters long and corpses do not move by themselves.
@Jungskeptiker
3 жыл бұрын
How could these humanoids get their dead people through the narrow entrance down to where they placed them ?
@ottarvendel
3 жыл бұрын
Error: fragments of bones from two types of birds have been found in the chamber. Now you know.
@adamh.2791
3 жыл бұрын
They weren’t found in numbers that would account for predators. I think that’s what he meant when he said they weren’t found. You are right, a few bird bones were found, from a single animal. The second bird was in another part of the cave.
@fpxpGetReal
5 жыл бұрын
Are there any theories about how the food required evolved for creatures to live on evolving simultaneously and how the stomachs evolved ? Which came first and over what time frame ? Did the plant DNA consult the mammal's and birds in order to ensure survival and how did they community Anyone?
@newellgster
5 жыл бұрын
Oh jumpin geebus... really? We really need to hear from the great under-educated now?
@pacifront83
6 жыл бұрын
I feel as if the hiding from nature hypothesis hes describes fits into this situation.
@FireShoxx
6 жыл бұрын
no it doesn't. Why would all these individuals all die at once? They also didn't die from predators since there were no markings on their bones
@mitrageniecolimited5360
6 жыл бұрын
Smeagle lead them into the cave and fed them to sheila thinking they had the precious, there were no teeth marks on the bones because she swallows them whole... the chamber is her pooper. These are actually hobbits and I believe the ring is still in the cave somewhere.
@sonpacho
5 жыл бұрын
I'm not buying it! I can't believe anything would go through that much trouble while carrying a dead weight.
@newellgster
5 жыл бұрын
So - do you have a better explanation that includes the lack of other fossils from other species? Anything?
@sonpacho
5 жыл бұрын
@@newellgster Just to be clear, what I'm not buying is they took that route to bury their dead. Maybe the shape/structure of the cave was vastly different in the past? I think it's more likely to be a trap. Any number of things could attract their primitive brains (sounds, sparkling rocks, etc) to go crawling around in there and any number of things could keep them there (trapped gases, etc). This was still the _hunter/gatherer_ period so it's going to be hard for me to accept that humans of that time would use all that energy to carry dead bodies through that route.
@jackvos8047
4 жыл бұрын
@@newellgster there was 6 bones found from a single bird which is just a big a mystery as to how they got there too.
@mitchwood6609
Жыл бұрын
me neither, they were running from damned lions. period.
@jacobhansen5786
4 жыл бұрын
I thought the partial remains of a bird were also found in the chamber?
@mitchwood6609
Жыл бұрын
there was. so... i dunno thsi whole thing just bothers me... I think they're trying to make a mountain out of an ant hill and common sense says it's not this explanation he likes to cling to.
@Davemmmason
Жыл бұрын
Naledi was built to squeeze into the caves
@erlingandersen8008
7 жыл бұрын
very interesting. ive been looking but havent found. does anyone know the individuel age of the skelleton they found?
@patrooney2283
7 жыл бұрын
236,ooo yrs ago.
@elliottbaker1998
6 жыл бұрын
230-300,000 years old
@blakewilley4671
6 жыл бұрын
Does anyone else think it's insufferably arrogant to assume that because this species did not look like us or possess the same brain size as us they must be more "primitive" than us? Why is it so easy for some to contend that because they were different from us, they could not mourn the death of a loved one, mark that event with shared cultural rituals, engage in behaviors having no apparent survival advantage, take great pains with the dead because somehow they cared about them, possessed a skills set of which we may be currently unaware, etc. Haven't we seen this kind of attitude before between modern humans who seem to be "other" than us? What's more, even if the evidence is insufficient to conclude these bodies were deliberately placed in that cave, where is the concrete evidence to conclude they were not?
@ThomCoe
5 жыл бұрын
Blake Willey call Al Sharpton, why don’t you?
@fpxpGetReal
5 жыл бұрын
There are too many unknowns ,what was the ground level of the time ,could the spaces have gotten smaller were they in a cave that got flooded then the years of topsoil added then created the caves?were they just smaller humans ? Or like the pygmies or dwarfs of the time or maybe they were a tribe afflicted with a genetic deformation or stunted growth due to starvation or sickness , You can assume or presume all kinds of scenarios but unless you were there it's just a theoretical understanding of the researcher and his level of comparative education ,understanding ,deduction of the time .
@Simonjose7258
2 жыл бұрын
4:16 Why "apart from the natural world."?
@captainjj7184
3 жыл бұрын
Wonder if all the bones are clean or some showed signs of post-mortem cannibalism...?
@timstiles1018
5 жыл бұрын
Who is we ,don't you mean Lee berger discovered
@nookymonster1
4 жыл бұрын
Lee didn't discover them. They were found by some cavers and Berger was the expert the relics were shown to. Her then worked with a group of scientists to extricate and study the bones.
@april5666
3 жыл бұрын
@Rex Williams Professor Lee Berger headed/initiated the exploration of cavers and former archeology students and paid their travel etc.
@AsFewFalseThingsAsPossible
7 жыл бұрын
0.20 "human ancestor", can you please explain how this species can possibly be ancestral to humans ? Thanks
@ashleyklug4538
7 жыл бұрын
AsFewFalseThingsAsPossible a lot of people confuse evolution as being a straight line when really its better described as a family tree. it's likely that homo naledi stemmed from a common ancestor that we shared. so instead of being our "grandparents" they're more like "cousins". i hope that makes sense
@timothysouth5655
7 жыл бұрын
more like a bush but you are on the right track friend
@AsFewFalseThingsAsPossible
6 жыл бұрын
I wish he would make this clear. They are clearly not ancestral to modern humans. We are finding many dead end branches on the tree.
@andremarais2706
6 жыл бұрын
They copulated.
@stevep5408
6 жыл бұрын
He's right, my cousin is not my ancestor. 250-340 thousand years ago means they were a dead end of evolution not an ancestor.
@thomasf.5768
5 жыл бұрын
Vinnie & Big Paulie took care of dis thing. Harry da Horse is gone. Forget about it.
@susanbengston3496
5 жыл бұрын
Thomas F. 🤣🤣🤣
@BiancoNeroMedia
5 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty certain elephants have similar practices
@truthspeaker5717
5 жыл бұрын
A myth the Elephants graveyard, and even if true it only says the elephants made their own way to the site to die, No evidence of a societal tradition of burying the dead lol
@4dthinker582
6 жыл бұрын
Run from a predator. Hide in a cave. If the predator follow you in, then look for escape through small passages that the predator can't follow through. Search in the dark for another passage that may lead back to the surface. Be wary of drops to dead-end rooms that you may not be able to get back out of. Some children and elders from our tribe (Lions stalk the small and weak) have hidden in this (rising star) cave, but never come out this way. We think they must find another way out, far from here. We never see them again.
@lazypops3117
5 жыл бұрын
But they do it again and again, over many generations?
@surfk9836
5 жыл бұрын
They didn't need to go very deep to avoid predators.
@newellgster
5 жыл бұрын
More importantly, no indication that any other species fled said predators? No bones from other non-hominid species? That just seems awfully unlikely.
@isaacgarza3307
Жыл бұрын
Why does brain size matter ? We use such a small percentage of it anyways!!
@tatertotgaming863
4 жыл бұрын
E
@layom444
3 жыл бұрын
its true i was there
@Nembula
4 жыл бұрын
Could they have used something like chimpanzee fire?
@jamesdavis5517
5 жыл бұрын
Perhaps a serial killer was amongst them and used it as a hiding spot.
@newellgster
5 жыл бұрын
wow... that is funny...
@maximvsdread1610
6 жыл бұрын
Elephant graveyards.
@bimmergeezer
5 жыл бұрын
The egocentricity of humans always embarrasses me. When will we learn that we are less special than we believe we are. (Define belief: pretending we know something that we don;t know!)
@newellgster
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah it is absolutely horrible that humans try to learn and broaden their minds and figure out solutions to previously unknown things.... just fkin horrible. LOL
@OLDGRIZZ
4 жыл бұрын
Possibly Sasquatch. Think about it,,,,,,,,,,,,,!
@ericchristian6710
2 жыл бұрын
Dude I have a bigfoot cemetery in my backyard! A palm reader told me. But it's bad luck to disturb them.
@mrawesome2742
5 жыл бұрын
Gavin McInnes is really out of his element here. 🤣
@BavonWW
5 жыл бұрын
Explain, please? He sounds a lot like he is totally immersed in his element to me. Just like you are drowning in your own fatuity. 🙃
@kukuri007
5 жыл бұрын
Man.
@destroyermelody
2 жыл бұрын
This is simply pure nonsense .. what is the F relationship between brain size and anything else!!?.. don't muzzle Principals.
@Bit-while_going
4 жыл бұрын
They must have defended that cave system like their lives depended on it. Maybe they did attach a spiritual significance to the remains within.
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