A friend of mine was teaching kids in China. He said on one of the last days of term he told the kids they could have a fun lesson, put some music on, get paper, pens, coloring stuff out and just draw pictures of whatever they wanted. All of them seem confused and told him they didn't know what they should draw; "anything at all, draw whatever comes into your mind!" he told them, but still none of them would draw. He said "look draw whatever you are interested in, you could draw a house, or a leopard, whatever you want!" when the lesson had come to an end he took their papers, every single kid had either drawn a picture of a house or a leopard. I think that speaks volumes.
@archockencanto1645
3 жыл бұрын
@blupheonix44 Fear is a bigger part of it. You are really scared to stand out at all. I had the same situation in my childhood due to... Ahem teachers who were allowed to use force...
@CapitalTeeth
3 жыл бұрын
Chinese kids are taught in school that you're supposed to follow instructions and never ask questions. It attempts to create the exact type of people authoritarian regimes want. People who never ask questions.
@leapdrive
3 жыл бұрын
@@archockencanto1645 , as if the kids now are smarter and more knowledgeable with the lessons than previous generation kids! The classic way of teaching is vastly superior than today.
@leapdrive
3 жыл бұрын
China’s Silicon Valley should be called Silly Con Valley. And China thinks they’re a lot smarter than everyone else when the opposite is more realistic.
@archockencanto1645
3 жыл бұрын
@@leapdrive If you want people to just remember things then force is good. But, I assume you value creativity more? As for being smarter and knowledgeable... Naturally, each generation will have less intelligence, memory and so on than the last due to the lack of selective pressures. We aren't magically going to get smarter when there's no evolutionary incentive for it. Every generation, the gene pool is more diluted in terms of these things as (unfortunately) just about anyone can reproduce. I don't understand why this isn't talked about more. Maybe many fear that this leads somewhere to racial theory and what-not or, something deeper. The 'classic' way is better if: a) the teacher doesn't like to go on power trips and actually likes to teach. b) the student wants to study/learn. The first case is common enough but I've hardly met 3 people who genuinely want to learn something random in school for the sake of learning. It's always money, fear, compulsion or ignorance. This is different as you go from school to college and university but I was and am only referring to school here. I'm not denying the role of suppression, which is very much needed. But, the moment it starts touching the extreme, it can affect an impressionable child for life.
@soapmode
3 жыл бұрын
Hilarious article on the BBC today about Huawei's 'innovative' new flip phone, that is a complete copypasta of the Samsung model.
@seriouscat2231
3 жыл бұрын
Having got enough of Apple, I bought a Xiaomi phone. But what should I buy instead if I want a good but honest phone that is not an Apple?
@dtothebtotheh
3 жыл бұрын
@@seriouscat2231 I’m not sure what you’re trying to say………
@Sundara229
3 жыл бұрын
@@seriouscat2231 Fairphone lol
@seriouscat2231
3 жыл бұрын
@@dtothebtotheh, I want to know about Android phones that are not made in China.
@TheNefastor
3 жыл бұрын
@@denniskowalski8442 of course they do : work is hard, and copying "works so well" for China...
@cambridgemart2075
4 жыл бұрын
A company I worked for decided to set up a factory building our product in China, but with one of our engineers performing the final setup which was a crucial step in making the product work; a while later, a machine that looked suspiciously like ours was exhibited at a trade show in China and they actually sold some of them, but none of them worked as advertised as they lacked the knowledge to set them up. We very quickly shut down the manufacturing site in China after that.
@tsm4201979
3 жыл бұрын
you would bring shit into china, and they will copy that too!
@alexosow
3 жыл бұрын
Haha of course as sad as that is
@theslimeylimey
3 жыл бұрын
A company I worked for built a custom automated laser welding machine for a local North American company who's customer was a Chinese factory. The Chinese company left the machine in it's opened shipping crate outside in the rain while they painted the new factory floors and it got rusty. The company I worked for had to send a guy over there to clean it up and make it work. While he was there, there was always a guy guarding a screened off area of the factory and he was told not to go over there. While the guard was on a break he went and took a look and saw they had already built an almost identical copy of their machine. The interesting thing was the copied machine was of an earlier design submitted for a design review months ago to the local North American company. The Chinese contact working at this local company must have sent the CAD model to China where they built a copy from the preliminary design before the actual machine was even shipped. After that, the company I worked for refuses to submit any CAD files for review purposes. When it comes to IP China has ZERO morals and is a essentially a giant vacuum cleaner sucking up the worlds R&D for free and then undercutting on the finished product. It is rampant and is just one example of many I have first or second hand knowledge of.
@alexosow
3 жыл бұрын
@@theslimeylimey Welcome to China :/ this is probably the only reason they're able to make these kinds of things, since it's cheaper without R&D
@edzanjero353
3 жыл бұрын
Serves your company's asses right for committing Economic Treason.
@dave7830
Жыл бұрын
Back in the mid 80's I worked as a tech for a company that wanted to expand into China. They had to set up a partnership with a chinese company, the Chinese "partner" sent over engineers to learn how the product was made. Once they had all the info they needed, they cancelled the partnership and started making a copycat version.
@Pringlebox
Жыл бұрын
and 100% chance is much worse quality too, that’s why i imagine despite all their knockoffs the wests stuff always is the top cchoice
@TheREALTyreeSneed2
Жыл бұрын
China is an ancient civilization, and as such, still follow a few "ancient" survival traits, such as DECEIT OF OTHERS TO GET AHEAD. disgusting archaic culture
@minhngo8857
Жыл бұрын
China is truly a failed state
@SpruceMoose-iv8un
Жыл бұрын
Makes you wonder why the f company's still do that, even Tesla, you just know BYD is going to come out with its own model 3.
@parabot2
Жыл бұрын
He just jelly his half cast kids can't remain in China
@albertoroveda5135
4 жыл бұрын
I have a very nice German pocket watch (300€), one of my friends bought the EXACT SAME watch for 34€ from China (same appearance 100%) and he was bragging about how I spent my money not wisely and he was clever. it’s nice to see that after 10 years mine is still in good condition and keep accurate time (-4/+4) seconds a day, his pocket watch lost 30-40 seconds a day and the mainspring broke after 6 days
@Furiends
4 жыл бұрын
It's a nice ornament
@greensleeves6683
4 жыл бұрын
and have u heard of a chinese made product going up in price 2nd hand? Rolex and some others 10 yrs later same price u paid or better
@davidmiletic6647
4 жыл бұрын
Hah funny thing abou the springs. I work here in central EU for a company that makes springs. We buy chinese spring making machines, and the chinese just cant make the springs as good as we do 😂 they always want to visit our factory for the knowhow. But still, do not underestimate China's product quality. If you pay the same ammount of money for a chinese product as you would pay for a EU product, you can be 95% sure that the chinese product will be of superior quality (unless you are buying the top of the line EU product). The chinese speed of development is monstrous and their newest factories are state of the art, all of them developed from foreign experts mainly from the EU.
@albertoroveda5135
4 жыл бұрын
@@davidmiletic6647 yes I agree but you can’t think that a 30€ Watch is good as a 300€ one, even though the aesthetics are the same, this is a copied product
@davidmiletic6647
4 жыл бұрын
@@albertoroveda5135 of course not. Had the chinese watch also been 300€, it might had been another story.
@24emerald
4 жыл бұрын
Ask a company in China if they know what "Copyright" means and they will answer, "It means COPY ... Right?
@OhNoseNotAgainn
4 жыл бұрын
no, it means copy it right 100%, not copy it wrong.
@mahoslash
4 жыл бұрын
Nope, it means copy it and look as if they have the legal rights to do so.
@carstenhansen5757
4 жыл бұрын
It means "the right to copy".
@dexstarr6907
4 жыл бұрын
It means the right to copy everyone else. Am I right?
@TheGreg6466
4 жыл бұрын
@@carstenhansen5757 yeah that's the best version of the joke, old one now but still funny.
@ashaer05
2 жыл бұрын
As a research scientist in the US with a publication record, from my experience I can guarantee you that the Chinese are raised to not consider copying as stealing. Nothing related to copyrights ever exist in their culture.
@pastasoo
Жыл бұрын
Copyright is a western invention meant to colonize innovation. Humanity would be far more advanced than where we currently are if it weren't for copyrights.
@Olfan
Жыл бұрын
I've heard this, too. "You can't own knowledge, imagine paying license fees for applying Fourier transformations, it's ridiculous." While from a research point of view there's a lot of appeal to this way of thinking, from a product point of view this is very problematic.
@Yellow_S436
Жыл бұрын
Also China does not colonize and steal in other countries. Not in Iraq, Syria, Vanuelzela, or anywhere the western countries have raped. Sound good now?
@luxinjianluxinjian7386
Жыл бұрын
你们最开始是偷窃英国的
@AbhishekSingh-jf7co
8 ай бұрын
Can u tell me about indian americans in us as reasearch scientist? are they innovative or creative? i am curious to know please
@Chonkems
Жыл бұрын
My father worked for the only plant in Michigan that did work on the Dodge Demon (which was kept heavily under wraps until it's reveal) as the head of the testing process for the project. A woman was literally being paid by someone in China to take photos of the underside, engine, body and dashboard internals of the car. The FBI arrested her at work the next day.
@SchizoReviews1599
Жыл бұрын
Imagine Chinese drivers with access to Dodge Demon knockoffs😅 it would be anarchy
@duggydugg3937
Жыл бұрын
CCP infect anything
@duggydugg3937
Жыл бұрын
look up gutter oil.. spit oil.. tsina is corrupt to the core
@duggydugg3937
Жыл бұрын
chinese ppl invest in empty condos.. better than bit coin i suppose...
@Red_Star_robin
Жыл бұрын
@@stickfeeling yeah there just like long term leases or something
@egonjensen7667
4 жыл бұрын
I salute your bravery Winston. You're one of the very few people on this planet who aren't afraid to call out China on its wrongdoing
@DougguoD
4 жыл бұрын
Well, WION
@serpentza
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate, the threats against my family and personal safety keep ramping up but I'll not be silenced
@egonjensen7667
4 жыл бұрын
@@serpentza Your videos give me contradictory feelings because your content is refreshing and so badly needed in this world but at the same time I know you put your family at risk as the ccp is absolutely ruthless and knows no moral bounds. Above all stay safe
@actionjumper42
4 жыл бұрын
@Jonas Candies please get off your high horse and realize that his wife’s family is at risk, as well as constant harassment from the CCP even while in the US. You cannot do anything remotely like what he’s doing while in the Guo.
@humblegorilla935
4 жыл бұрын
@@serpentza My wife bought a fake Louis Vuitton bag from Shenzen with fake serial numbers and says made in France, but it is made in china back in 2017. It's still good quality. You can't tell the difference. $40 Louis Vuitton bags in Shenzhen
@tabaghdissar
4 жыл бұрын
As an X Huawei employee, I completely agree with you, the only thing they are good with is threats, when I resigned and told the truth about theft and illegal activities, they only cared about covering up, shame on them and on people that cover up for them.
@justlivemyway
4 жыл бұрын
@Paul Frei He is lying😁😁 He is not even chinese.
@KevinSterns
4 жыл бұрын
@@justlivemyway Proof please.
@justlivemyway
4 жыл бұрын
@@KevinSterns Why would he have free speech on youtube if he was chinese and against his government intentions.
@ucanhvungoc7133
2 жыл бұрын
@@justlivemyway vpn.
@gwho
2 жыл бұрын
systemic to communism
@mikelabor8155
3 жыл бұрын
"The fake carrot and the real stick". . . Excellent metaphor.
@vicentealbaespinosa761
2 жыл бұрын
When we toured Tokyo, Japan last September 2019, we happened to came across a new model of Huawei smart phone. When my kid pick it up, holding it while covering the camera, immediately flashes a warning on screen sign that says "Don't cover the camera". My kid jokes and says, "maybe it's true that these phone are use to spy on us & the general public as well.
@dhwang101
Жыл бұрын
😂 LOL, no no. It's more likely that's a feature to help you not take pictures with your finger. It's just that the English is no so good. 🤣 Someone messed up the translation.
@fss1704
Жыл бұрын
Of fucking course that's true. The other dude commenting is obviously 50C army.
@dgdfsvfd
Жыл бұрын
@@dhwang101 You are so right!!!🤣By "Don't cover the camera", 🤣🤣they probably actually mean "don't stop us from spying on others"🤣🤣🤣
@silverhawk7324
3 жыл бұрын
When you max out spying instead of science...
@aeonofstarrail1349
3 жыл бұрын
Spiffing Brits next video. Spying only in Civilization is not broken and perfectly balanced.
@AlphariusandOmegon
3 жыл бұрын
Yes but it works for them because western elites are more worried about getting rich in the short term and not caring they've hollowed out entire sectors of the Western economies.
@TheNefastor
3 жыл бұрын
They aren't very good spy. We're just giving them a free pass. When that stops, they're screwed.
@Tscharny
4 жыл бұрын
I worked for Huawei in their internal audit unit. That's when I learned about you and your channel and I have yet to find anything incorrect in what you preach. Keep it up!
@Tscharny
4 жыл бұрын
@Joe Ç I answered and my answer is gone. Seems it was not acceptable ...
@roostersideburns3440
4 жыл бұрын
@@Tscharny pls answer again
@yoolendadong2770
4 жыл бұрын
@@Tscharny pla answer
@KirksCORNER1983
4 жыл бұрын
@ Eat me
@KirksCORNER1983
4 жыл бұрын
You still alive??
@fkarau
4 жыл бұрын
Ironically watching this video on KZitem in Mexico all the advertising that occasionally interrupted the video was for Huawei products for sale in Mexico. One has to laugh.
@gmoney5947
3 жыл бұрын
CCP is everywhere
@johnwade1095
3 жыл бұрын
Watch the whole advert so they pay for it.
@fjack1588
3 жыл бұрын
Hmm, living in Mexico too, but have not seen the adds. But, when I had to get a new cell phone, I decided not to buy Huawei, (and thus support the CCP) and got a Samsung instead.
@tsm4201979
3 жыл бұрын
Mexico doesn't like Huawei.
@fkarau
3 жыл бұрын
@@tsm4201979 Telmex, the Mexican intercom giant owned by Carlos Slim the richest man alive, uses exclusively Huawei routers. Usually there is no other option except Telmex as a provider here. If you have Telmex internet, you have a Huawei router in your home whether you like Huawei or not.
@tim1398
2 жыл бұрын
I was at a US startup that was acquired by a large (US) company. Some of the top talent was dissatisfied with the new management, and were recruited to a new local Huawei office starting up in the same field for large pay increases and sign on bonuses. But it quickly became obvious to them that they were merely being pumped for info and no product dev was really happening at that location and they left. Legalized industrial espionage, plain and simple.
@tapiwakay
Жыл бұрын
They need honey traps
@BoatsNhoes824
Жыл бұрын
Got honey dicked
@Athena_208
Жыл бұрын
Yup they steal all the information.
@Kevenant
Жыл бұрын
Now you know how most of "China's" ancient inventions came from. Destroyed empires.
@chriswales1952
4 жыл бұрын
I've had some interesting times at Trade shows. At a medical show in Shanghai, one company had brought over the latest high tech innovative medical device. This was freighted over but held up at customs for three days. When it arrived it didn't work and had obviously been opened up, as a couple of the.electrical connectors had not been reconnected. 15 months later they were exhibiting an exact copy at the worlds largest medical devices show in Düsseldorf. When we take our latest diagnostic devices to shows we just take and show the external case.
@davidhimmelsbach557
3 жыл бұрын
Buddy, you've been Shanghai'd. WHY did you even attend ?
@HoneyBadgerVideos
3 жыл бұрын
Don't go to China for anything. It's a state run thievery ring.
@yoboy6319
2 жыл бұрын
@@davidhimmelsbach557 why did John Cena make an apology in Mandarin? Money money money money money
@yoboy6319
2 жыл бұрын
@@davidhimmelsbach557 same reason the NBA care more about Chinese markets, Hollywood as well
@gollumtheartisticnewt1028
2 жыл бұрын
Chinese customs are famous for helping Chinese companies steal IP. I know of two examples.
@gordonlam2757
4 жыл бұрын
you can't compete with cheaters, IP and Copyright laws don't apply to the Criminal Chinese Party.
@ITTechHead
4 жыл бұрын
Australia invented WiFi and the US stole that IP.
@thebranndoful
4 жыл бұрын
@@ITTechHead From wikipedia: "In 1971, ALOHAnet connected the Great Hawaiian Islands with a UHF wireless packet network. ALOHAnet and the ALOHA protocol were early forerunners to Ethernet, and later the IEEE 802.11 protocols, respectively." Australian researchers have the patent.
@MossadDid911
4 жыл бұрын
@@thebranndoful German science was stolen after WW2
@Xi_Pooh_Shill
4 жыл бұрын
@Sean Depends. Sometimes these crappy, copy companies got so rich that they can buy real companies. Look at Volvo.
@eeledahc
4 жыл бұрын
@@ITTechHead I'm in the US and have AT&T fixed wireless. The techs that they use are satellite tv installers and they know enough but not enough, they rely on the app on their phones to troubleshoot. I had to move my antenna from one end of my roof to the other because trees were growing leaves and they told me that my outages were because of a hill and nothing that they could do. 3 different techs told me that. It's fine in the winter, bad in summer. No problems since I moved it 4 months ago and best signal i ever had. Yeah, a hill. But anyway all of the equipment besides router is Australian and I learned about it from Australian sites.
@themurmeli88
4 жыл бұрын
Few years age Samsung developed the folding screen technology over 3 years and over 300 million in research costs. Then there was a huge scandal, where "some chinese" had bribed insider to steal the tech for 15 million. And would you look at that, Huawei suddenly has the same exact tech. So yeah, 15 million, and you get to skip all the years of R&D and 300million+ raw expenses and whatever labs etc. no wonder they are cheaper. I mean they could have done what AMD did, and out perform and develop Intel, and that way make all the money and prestige but no, no no no, that takes effort, let's just steal and be bunch of weasel scumbags.
@gupsphoo
4 жыл бұрын
Huawei could not have done what AMD did, they don't have the expertise to do the necessary research & development. They can only resort to theft.
@levant5378
4 жыл бұрын
Pay your employees better maybe
@caribou6172
4 жыл бұрын
Huawei is truly criminal. Working for a competitor of Cisco gave me a first hand experience of Huawei moles. They identify people's weakness and exploit them. They rarely do the dirty jobs themselves. A Chinese boss who is a mole may use a H1B employee to do the dirty job, because they might need his help for a green card application. Indian employees are often used to do Chinese dirty jobs at the American companies.
@bigfoxki
4 жыл бұрын
Not that I am going to get one of those folding phone anytime soon, but if I am getting a new phone, I am not getting it from some copycat companies, I rather pay more to a company that developed it.
@cav1stlt922
4 жыл бұрын
@themurmeli88... exactly the same with military technology!!! US military spend years and millions invested in good helmet protection for our soldiers and suddenly, the PLA soldiers were wearing their knock-offs of our famed helmets! They also copied variations of our camouflage patterns, skipping the years and efforts of researching and finding protective patterns! PLAA stealth fighter is a joke of a knock-off of ours, which they couldn't get right! What joke! Down with CCP soon, please.
@larryjenks31
2 жыл бұрын
This has probably been said many many times before, but I need to say it too. This is one of the most important, if not THE most important, channel on KZitem covering China. I know I'm late to the party, but I'm so glad I found serpentza! Thank you so much!
@TruthPrevail777
Жыл бұрын
You found someone who hate China equally like you do. Lol. party time.🎉😂
@Teutathis
3 жыл бұрын
I studied with a chineese exchange student who lost his mind when the teacher told him that he got to play around with the equipment and do whatever he wanted as long as it was pertinent to his education. The guy programmed and reprogrammed the equipment like 4 times the first week and told me that he learnt more during that class than he had done during his entire bachelors in China.
@pvt.2426
11 ай бұрын
Wherever you were studying must have low standards for admission. Poor grammar and misspellings will limit your career.
@Teutathis
11 ай бұрын
@@pvt.2426 It hasn't
@Max-yp1iw
10 ай бұрын
@@pvt.2426WTF
@dand337
8 ай бұрын
@@Teutathisbrutal
@DanielClear2
4 жыл бұрын
CCP stands for Cut, Copy, Paste.
@awesomeboy4353
4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@ibraali1787
4 жыл бұрын
😅😅😅 good one
@jayesh5131
4 жыл бұрын
Dude 💯😂😂
@Doochos
4 жыл бұрын
Nice. I'll have to use that one
@waffle2446
4 жыл бұрын
Literally :)
@Nyarlathotep_Flagg
3 жыл бұрын
My father used to work for Sony Ericsson. A company that fell in large part due to having all their tech stolen by China. He has first hand experience seeing Hauwei using an exact copy cat of their software, running at the same time for the early Hauwei phones, on the same grid as they were running theirs back in the early 2000's. It was such a blatant breach of all copyright laws in the country, that he was shocked it stayed up for as long as it did before finally getting taken down(after which they ofc just made a flimsy excuse, altered a few little details, and came back years later. Having built upon the same tech by stealing tech from other companies, and layering it on top of it).
@solsouth
3 жыл бұрын
A copy cat is a person not an item.
@Nyarlathotep_Flagg
3 жыл бұрын
@@solsouth Definition of copycat (Entry 1 of 2) 1 : one who imitates or adopts the behavior or practices of another 2 : an imitative act or product
@alajibril
3 жыл бұрын
@@solsouth actually it a term not a person or item
@pastasoo
3 жыл бұрын
Why don't you follow actual tech channels and they'll explain the real large downfall of Sony Ericsson, they ran bad OS, had multiple failures because they couldn't read the market. In the first few years, they were trying to market their phones based on hardware when the iphone has changed the game to marketing software. They were still stuck in the era of phones having buttons by the time that the world wanted to move to touchscreens. Sony acquiring Ericsson was just so they can get into the cell phone market but with the scale of a large corporation like Sony stifling innovation at Ericsson, they just couldn't change fast enough to keep up with the market. End of story.
@Nyarlathotep_Flagg
3 жыл бұрын
@@pastasoo Girl, not sure if you're a 50 cent or not. But I'll still give this response: My father worked there. I know all their failings way better than any 3rd party info you could scrape away from some website today(which I am su~uure is completely free from of any sort of bias or agenda). But they could live with most of the flaws they had, if all their best tech wasn't stolen. To this date, Huawei runs on their tech at the basic level. Especially where waypoints are concerned, which is what my father primarily worked with. The truth is, all brands have their strengths and weaknessess(or at least used to). I used some of their phones, and I frankly found them to be way better than their competitors in those days. Which is why the chinese free community used them to make the first unofficial smartphones(think something along the lines of Linux, except the tech was stolen, rather than freely provided). And yes, those phones were buggy asf(the hacked ones), but then again, they were not meant to do what they used them for. It was just something they realized they could do. Now I am not contradicting you on them having issues outside of that. Don't get me wrong. And I think that the chinese people did tons to improve upon their skeleton structure before Huawei stole it. But the stuff that they got right, was just outright carbon-copied, so to speak. And that's the whole issue. If all your bleeding edge tech is stolen, what use is your brand? They could no longer make up their losses from where they failed, with the things they were good at. And while the original collapse was probably destined to come either way, their restructuring would not have been doomed - If it wasn't for the CCP. In 2008 while working for a new related company, my father saw some of his better work carbon copied into some of our relay stations. And he basically forgave his former company for their flaws. It's impossible to try and right the ship, when somone keeps cutting off the rudder.
@rockoilcolonel
Жыл бұрын
I myself was in the telecom industry 20 years ago. I had a friend working for Huawei, got a cushy job going world wide to form JVs with foreign telecom companies. The deal is Huawei would supply all hardwares free, the partner provide local support and market, they revenue share. These companies and their countries have grown so dependent on Huawei systems, we now know what their 5G systems are doing. So please stop buying Chinese brands to stop unconsciously helping the CCP. Buy and support Taiwanese, S.Korean, Japanese.
@SK-wg9sw
3 жыл бұрын
Shame on American companies still doing business with China.
@asianboi8070
3 жыл бұрын
Shame on you for thinking that everything is copied there. They have a billion people of course there are tons of original stuff there but they can't grow.
@420noscopesonlylol6
3 жыл бұрын
@@asianboi8070 That doesn't matter the CCP has proven they should never be trusted.
@liquidminds
3 жыл бұрын
Shame? It's their own stupidity that harms them... They thought they could make more money producing cheap, now they make no money because their intellectual property got stolen... It's like giving your ID and Credit Card to a random guy on the streets and wondering why your identity gets stolen...
@krisli935
3 жыл бұрын
@@liquidminds but seriously it’s a mutual thing. Do you know Facebook released a video social media app which is almost identical to tiktok? And countries all over the world are following big companies in the US, do you know in Africa they have their own Amazon, etc?
@liquidminds
3 жыл бұрын
@@krisli935 copying an idea and copy&paste the code word for word is 2 different things. Ideas themselves are not copyrighted. Designs and Production-Processes are.
@rayraycthree5784
3 жыл бұрын
Remember back in public school history class how any Chinese at the time of the silk trade revealing the secret of the silk source would be executed? They certainly believed in protecting their own IP at that time.
@tsm4201979
3 жыл бұрын
and.. they still do! as long as it was copied and rechanged.
@perma_bann
3 жыл бұрын
That ended 600 years ago.. did you know British people were publicly executed for committing minuscule crimes such as pickpocketing during that time period? This shit that the CCP is doing has nothing to do with Chinese culture or history, simply with human corruption.
@eventhorizon3117
3 жыл бұрын
There is nothing wrong to copy and innovate on your own. Problems with the west is that it has grown complacent and is slow to innovate. These companies have to compete with Huawei by copying theirs and reducing costs. They are not doing that and the market takes care of them.
@smugprout5698
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, till some greek monk launched the first industrial espionage campaign and brought silk worm to constantinople ensuring the survival of the eastern roman empire and presence as the trade hub between the west and asia...
@aeonofstarrail1349
3 жыл бұрын
@@smugprout5698 Based Monk I say.
@PrimeInChina
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, why invent things when you could just steal it and re-brand it as your own? Seems like an easy thing to do.
@favesongslist
3 жыл бұрын
Reverse engineering electronics chips is far from easy. Yet far easier to copy than trying to create some new design.
@hombreg1
3 жыл бұрын
Oddly enough, that's sorta what capitalism gets you as well, though you're usually protected for some amount of time by copyright and intellectual property laws. Mimicry "is" the way to stay competitive. The issue here is disregarding copyright and intellectual property rights, while leveraging absurdly low production costs. The thing is, how could you enforce, say, American copyrights in a foreign country? Usually, you can get international courts involved, if it's a really big company like Cisco or Microsoft... The issue is, there's no good, neutral way of dealing with this sort of thing. Usually, you could use your economy or international influence as leverage, as the US often does, but how would one go about penalizing China for something like this? Can't embargo them, since they make most of your stuff. Can't impose tariffs on them, because that'll only hurt your own economy. It's a very, very complex issue.
@kayem3824
3 жыл бұрын
Have you heard what brain drain is? It means importing all the clever people from all over the world and using them. One particular episode of it was when the German Nazi scientists were imported after WW2.
@novanoir8309
3 жыл бұрын
@Meng Mai At least fix your grammar first
@novanoir8309
3 жыл бұрын
@UC7D_QbSKx-g4I7lUTC72D_g your reply made no sense whatsoever. Didn't your superior on 50c army taught you English?
@aizac91
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a Malaysian guy, and at this moment I owe the P20 Huawei phone. It has been four years since I bought that phone and I've sent it to the Huawei centre near my house over 4 times...Now, the phone, the back casing is detached from the phone, and when you see what type of materials they use to make sure the cover is intact with the phone; you'd think is this really the country that's raving nonstop on how they will be the next "superpower of the world"?? They literally use a double-sided thin tape, like seriously...and it gets better, the front screen of the phone; both sides and the top part has started to disassemble themselves. Yeah, China won't be taking over anything except by others' greed.
@MrBollocks10
Жыл бұрын
You've had it 4 years. Apple stuff doesn't last that long. And if it does they deliberately slow it down to become redundant. It sounds like you do need a new phone. ....and you look at prices.
@jhNic
Жыл бұрын
I mean you used it for 4 years, and then the two sided tape way might be the simplest and the cheapest way to fix it?
@aizac91
Жыл бұрын
@@jhNic I’m using an iPhone 13 now, my previous phone just stopped working after a while.
@Darkest_matter
Жыл бұрын
For 4 years it's lasted long
@MrCalinonisor
Жыл бұрын
@@MrBollocks10apple stuff last longer
@moakley
3 жыл бұрын
This is why Australia told Huawei to bugger off
@StayMadNobodycares
3 жыл бұрын
The USA too.
@leglessinoz
3 жыл бұрын
The CCP isn't too pleased about Australia generally at the moment. The government cancelled the "belt and road" contract in Victoria. We pushed for the WHO to look into the origins of COVID-19. WE are telling them off about Taiwan and incursions into the South China Sea and further. Not happy, Jan.
@dogcarman
3 жыл бұрын
@@leglessinoz When a dictatorship is unhappy with you, you’ve done *something* right. 👍
@dwillbecancelledsoon4086
3 жыл бұрын
@@user_name_redacted Because we've been buying utter shit for the last 20+ years. Many of us can remember how much better products were when they were manufactured here.
@johosaffattjones9449
3 жыл бұрын
Such a smart thing to do as I look at my 3G phone in Australia.
@guguigugu
4 жыл бұрын
"in the west we are forgiving of different cultures but china takes advantage of that" *remember this.* this is the primary principle informing china's foreign policy.
@fjack1588
3 жыл бұрын
And combine this with the weakness of capitalist greed. As Lenin said, "The West will sell us the rope to hang them." Well, now that we have sold them (or permitted them to steal from us) our technology and productive capacity, we go one step further and buy it all back from them. This has seemed to work because the dollars have been fiat, just pieces of paper. But now the funny money printing is coming to its climactic and predictable end.
@ojbeez5260
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but just try saying that in the West, you'll just get accused of Racism and Xenophobia. Me: "I prefer White coffee" UMC "You Racist its Milk Coffee or Coffee no milk - not Black / White coffee!! " And so idiotic overly PC multiculturalism wins the day.
@spookidrew4284
3 жыл бұрын
I used to work for an industrial food processing oem in the ee department. One of the guys told me that they once got a warranty call on a machine that wasn't built by our company. Whatever Chinese company installed the machine copied the design right down to the warranty contact numbers lol. The design was stolen from one that was sold to China and I believe there is now a ban on selling to China there.
@MarkH10
3 жыл бұрын
They'll just order from a close country and trans ship it
@dongpao3272
2 жыл бұрын
@Old Mick I cant disagree to that but then again local legislator drove healthy manufacture out. Local people lost their job and company lost their design.
@kato2395
Жыл бұрын
“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin good forces have invented or made” ― JRR Tolkien works pretty well to describe the Chinese manufacturers as a whole
@fainitesbarley2245
Жыл бұрын
Interesting! There’s a whole book waiting to be written on precisely why. Why can’t authoritarian states that exercise a high degree of mind control create or invent?
@johnwclick
Жыл бұрын
"Evil cannot create, it can only destroy, it turns inward upon itself, gnawing itself..." Margaret Weiss and Tracy Hickman: The Dragonlance Chronicles.
@AppliedCryogenics
Жыл бұрын
@@johnwclick oh yeah? Well explain inkjet printer ink cartridges!
@Yellow_S436
Жыл бұрын
Also China does not colonize and steal in other countries. Not in Iraq, Syria, Vanuelzela, or anywhere the western countries have raped. Sound good now?
@heavenlypot
6 ай бұрын
Oh please
@jaiacosta6025
3 жыл бұрын
In the late 90's, Huawei would offer equipment to telcos that was an exact copy of Alcatel's optical transmission equipment, but at half the price. It always puzzled me how they could get away with such a blatant Intellectual Property theft.
@bradcavanagh3092
4 жыл бұрын
I wasn't aware of the Nortel copying, but I definitely remember the Cisco rip-off. People who think that "cyber espionage" by the Chinese is a recent phenomena haven't been paying attention for 20 years.
@michaelbrownlee9497
4 жыл бұрын
Ah, hang on one second, it was Nixon with the salt treaty, Chretien with his Canadian millionaires scouting out cheap manufacturing, Then there was the tool and die Magna that completely destroyed European tool and die in north America. Wall mart. It was official govt approved investment to completely and utterly destroy western economy. The tax collectors were having parties when a company was forced out of business. The money was over flowing so nobody cared. I don't think anyone was evil about it, just greed.
@gdemorest7942
4 жыл бұрын
I worked for Nortel. We had Huawei spies working side-by-side with us!
@michaelbrownlee9497
4 жыл бұрын
@@gdemorest7942 oh yeah for sure no doubt. Headhunting was a big money adventure back then.
@richardamullens
4 жыл бұрын
Edward Snowden revealed that the USA took Cisco routers bound for China and inserted backdoors so that the USA could spy on China. Read The Hardware Hacker if you want to understand the Chinese attitude to IP and don't forget that Delft Pottery was stolen from the Chinese.
@wakannnai1
4 жыл бұрын
My uncle used to work for Nortel. They were forced to lay off all of their staff post Huawei theft because they couldn't afford to stay in business any longer. Huawei theft completely ruined the company.
@simpetcla12
3 жыл бұрын
I did a project for Huawei once. In the meeting room they had red banners that said "powerful influencers". They were painful, desperate and scheming to deal with so we terminated the arrangement.
@The-truth-is-valuable.
Жыл бұрын
Around 2006, I was working as an IT salesperson in the city of Bloemfontein (South Africa) A Japanese couple came into the shop to buy a CRT Monitor. The moment when the wife saw the brand (I think it was "Proline"?) was made in China, she was very upset and refused to buy it. She said they only had bad experience with Chinese products... which was unbelievable to me, back then, as we actually had very few problems with it. Knowing what I know now, about Chinese products, and via reliable reporting, from reliable sources like Winston, I am more and more disappointed in the International community, not holding China responsible by all means possible. Also: When are China going to pay for their blatant piracy... and what they did with the COVID virus?
@pastasoo
Жыл бұрын
oh god when are western oil companies going to be held responsible for dumping crap in the ocean, when will America stop bombing countries for natural resources, what about this, what about that? Jesus christ dude, how about live in reality for a moment? The international community is smarter than you, they also don't recognize winston as a reliable source of information. There is a reason why he's only popular in the west and nobody in Africa and Asia gives a sht about this guy. If you'd knew anything then you'd know that Japan has some of the most advanced home electronics in the world, way superior than anything you can buy on the US/European market and they are all produced in China, if you have even traveled to Japan in recent years, you'd know although they don't love China, Japanese people on average do not look down on Chinese manufacturing. Your sheer level of ignorance shows based off your following to winston my little sleep
@ericmcrae7758
3 жыл бұрын
This has been going on for years. I used to visit a UK company that made power supplies which were sold by Radio Spares they souced some componets from China and within a year they stole the IP and the UK company went pop in 2003.
@Scourgewor
3 жыл бұрын
The place where I work sold China a large communication array (I won't divulge what it was exactly). They came to look at it and there was one off the shelf part which had a serial number on it. They walked up and took a photo of it right in front of us. Years later we were looking at a supplier for a specific part that was developed for that array. We found no less then 27 suppliers for that part in China. There is only one reason why someone would make that part.
@sangazo
3 жыл бұрын
if you believe that by clicking some photos and they’re able to make exact product then they’re genius. you should try to make a fighter jet or coronavirus vaccine as you can take really close photos 😆😆😆
@shable1436
3 жыл бұрын
Reverse engineering is genius but there are many methods to do it besides taking pics
@Scourgewor
3 жыл бұрын
@@shable1436 I wouldn't say it was genius. The original design is the genius. Any idiot can pull something apart and see how it's made. But I'll give the Chinese one thing and that is they're very good at doing it and their manufacturing quality is at times exceeding what they're copying.
@Scourgewor
3 жыл бұрын
I never said they copy it by taking photos - they copied it by buying the product and pulling it apart. The photos were to identify which off the shelf parts from other companies they would have to order. They could have waited to get the product and then worked that out but when the opportunity arises you take photos. That is if you have no morals at all...
@passZword
3 жыл бұрын
@@sangazo Ever hear of reverse engineering dummy?
@reybhk
4 жыл бұрын
Just a suggestion, Serpentza. It would great if you could add Chinese subtitles to your channel so that other non- English speaking audiences could understand your message and be well informed of your experiences in China. Let alone mainlanders with vpn connection who wants to follow you so that they can be enlightened to fight for their rights for their future generations.
@dama3979
2 жыл бұрын
He doesn’t care about the people they’re lost they won’t accept it look at North Korea this is where China is going
@theloniousm4337
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that way we could have a Chinese guy called "Serpentza mate" doing videos pumping Chinese culture.
@rvh1999
2 жыл бұрын
Or maybe those 'followers' you're talking abould, should learn something for a change and understand English. Or is that too much to ask from the spying Chinese Government?
@tpaulalex724
2 жыл бұрын
It's the same in Taiwan. One of my coworkers caught a student plagiarizing (one of many actually) and the parents came in and actually argued that their child should not be held accountable because the teacher did not tell them it was not OK. Another quiet student, who he tried to inspire to speak out more, went home and told her parents that he was harassing her. He is no longer allowed to ask her questions.
@johnfarmer3506
4 жыл бұрын
When you steal IP you cut out almost all cost except for that of production.
@Xi_Pooh_Shill
4 жыл бұрын
That is why these cheap, lazy, faker companies love to copy companies like Apple.
@sujitkumarsingh3200
4 жыл бұрын
From generations in India, "Chinese product" immediately relates to "cheap, poor quality, copy" product. But ironically, most people endup buying them. I think recent growth in techs and knowledge will solve that problem.
@Mika30041975
3 жыл бұрын
Same in vietnam.
@kittenman7667
3 жыл бұрын
It’s simple, not everyone can afford Apple or Samsung.
@utkarshg.bharti9714
3 жыл бұрын
Until the Indian government drastically reforms taxes for tech companies and promotes startup accelerators collaborating with Samsung, LG etc. these companies will never MAKE IN INDIA. Thankfully, things are improving with Samsung recently coming into UP.
@sujitkumarsingh3200
3 жыл бұрын
@@utkarshg.bharti9714 I also think that huge improvements will happen due to inhouse companies, existing and new to come. People of India are gaining knowledge very fast and they are already hard working.
@sujitkumarsingh3200
3 жыл бұрын
@Scyth well, everyone(except Jynees) know what a shit hole Jyna is. Thus, I would suggest you to keep your imaginary thoughts to yourself because, world knows reality.
@seleniaramos6873
3 жыл бұрын
I lived in China for 7 years you tell it like it is and fluently with clarity.
@robroberts7659
2 жыл бұрын
Back in the early '90s I worked briefly at a mine locomotive builder, who built specialist small-scale electric locos designed to work along narrow mine tunnels. The UK coal industry was already moribund, but they'd found a new market and had previously sold some locos, complete, to China and were then selling just the electric traction motors, controlers etc. - the technical stuff. Suffice it to say, the orders dried up and Clayton Engineering now no longer exist. Standard for dealings with China, even then.
@billdberger7407
3 жыл бұрын
Credit for talking about the Belt and Road Initiative that takes some bravery.
@coldsalad6686
3 жыл бұрын
This is why I try to buy from makers who actually made the product. I don't have too much money but I think it's still worth it to pay the extra money for the original product and help the company build even better things in the future.
@gracefulcubix4730
3 жыл бұрын
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@bad_rebbel_8841
3 жыл бұрын
@@gracefulcubix4730 5
@conc8888
2 жыл бұрын
Save your money. No multi million dollar company deserves your loyalty. Just get the products that actually suit you.
@fbyi2940
2 жыл бұрын
@@conc8888 which is none.
@Nothing-yo5uo
2 жыл бұрын
What a BS !! I think you never use DJI drones they are from china and Tesla is now want to use BYD battery tech. It doesn't who rules the china but China will reclaim it's ancient glory.
@stungunnotapplicable1953
3 жыл бұрын
The Chinese tech industry is basically the embodiment of the "Can I copy your homework?" meme.
@stungunnotapplicable1953
3 жыл бұрын
@@MonkeySpanner498 True, true.
@seriouscat2231
3 жыл бұрын
@@MonkeySpanner498, and they have very little clue of what they've just copied.
@dj007twk
3 жыл бұрын
Except the US tech companies are essentially owned by China. If they get copied, who cares.
@seriouscat2231
3 жыл бұрын
@@dj007twk, I think that is a false lead. In case the US tech companies were essentially owned by the US Government it would help them a lot if everyone was just growling at China.
@rickagfoster
2 жыл бұрын
More like "hand over your homework now!". To build factories in China all corporate secrets must be shared. It's part of the deal.
@Sailingon
2 жыл бұрын
There was a show on tv in the 70s about a business adviser. He told companies not to move manufacturing to china or they will lose control and everything they make will be copied. Then in the 80s he revisited some of these people and what he said came true. They had lost everything. So this isn't new it's been a long term thing.
@Davin-fh2nn
Жыл бұрын
China was reverse engineering Soviet military equipment back in 50s.
@etiennepilorget8777
4 ай бұрын
There is a Monty Python clip just about that
@frankgriffin6293
2 ай бұрын
Reminds me of Trump's warnings about China. The Germans laughed at Trump when Trump said not to get your energy from Russia. Some people actually learn from what goes on in the world. Others simply follow along mindlessly and end up ruined.
@yegfreethinker
3 жыл бұрын
I found especially vexing as a Canadian how they helped drive a stake through the heart of Nortel. Innovative speeds on 4G networks for example were made possible by Nortel. For Tech nerds in Canada that was like ripping out our heart. Nortel is a huge huge source of pride for me. If one looks at any sitcom, movie or whatever in the 90s you will see a Nortel phone in many scenes.
@exponentmantissa5598
3 жыл бұрын
Did you know that near the end of Nortel's days the Chinese had hacked an account belonging to en executive who demanded wide access to Nortel's servers.. Through this account the Chinese hoovered up everything. I often wonder if the exec was just stupid or was he bought off? There is apparently a book out on what went on at Nortel.
@adrianc6534
3 жыл бұрын
my dad worked for nortel for like 30 years. he ran several of their factories in china. what a shit company, he left a few years before they went under.
@ticler
2 жыл бұрын
@@exponentmantissa5598 There were Chinese Canadian citizen staff members who actively participated in this theft. The 'hack' news was just spread for political correctness.
@MoejiiOsmanTV
2 жыл бұрын
See the thing is, American and western Companies have learned from the blatant theft and copyright infringement of what happened to Cisco, Apple and nortel so now when they have things built in China they only build shells of items but not the actual technology and finish building the final product back home in the west, you live and you learn. During the ukrain WR now many Russian tanks and now an su fighter jet have finally been shot down and Ukraine has given the technology over to the US and UK and now we know how capable the Russian military is in there arsenal which in turn tells us what China has in there arsenal and it shows there 30-40yrs behind military wise. Copying and not doing R&D will only get you so far because even if you steal ideas and rengineer them you have a shitty knockoff and technology moves so fast that new tech is replacing old tech Constantly and China can't keep up because the western companies have smartened up when dealing with China so the only choice they have is spies stealing tech in there own companies and turning it over to them or hacking companies... But again corruption and zero beauracracy process in China makes it so that even if you have slave labor to build tech u stole the final product will be an obvious knockoff and nobody will but it ie huwaei phones etc.. There end game will always crumble because of the high level corruption in there own government system will never let them build products the masses will buy, China hates that the iPhone is the most popular phone and even Samsung but that's the point you can't force people to not buy obviously superior products at the end of the day .
@TBonerton
2 жыл бұрын
@@exponentmantissa5598 they hacked his email so it was probably the Chinese demanding the access using the clueless executive's account.
@purplebearkidnappers5159
4 жыл бұрын
What a coincidence - You talk about Huawei and during your video I get ads of Huawei😁 Hope you feel better and better (after operation). Stay strong!😊
@ondrejsedlak4935
4 жыл бұрын
I got ads for NTT and Cisco. Go KZitem ad algorithm.
@ivismartinez2542
3 жыл бұрын
When they were dismantling Nortel manufacturing and research headquarters in Ottawa my son's friends told me they found spaying devices all around the building suspected to be Chinese!
@paulmiller184
3 жыл бұрын
What spaying devices?
@paulmiller184
3 жыл бұрын
Oh you mean spying devices. In some U.S. cities the spying on us is near complete.
@MrHockeytemper
3 жыл бұрын
Yes my roomate was working for Nortel in Ottawa just before the crash - he told me the stories. The building is now owned by Canada National Defence, my Sister works there now. They found bugs all over the place. A shame really.
@NiceTriGuy
3 жыл бұрын
The CCP destruction of Nortel was one of the first real thefts of IP and hacking. It was so early that when the Nortel board was cautioned they didn’t even know what it was. Nortel was targeted by the CCP as the world leaders in switching technology and in less than a decade they infiltrated stole and undercut the company into bankruptcy. Embarrassed as a Canadian that our government still has no idea what happened…. They actually allowed public sentiment to blame it on mismanagement and never questioned where Huawei got their technology from. There have been a few journalistic pieces done, but it’s ancient history now and even Winston seems unaware of the fact that that is how huawei got its start.
@natesmodelsdoodles5403
3 жыл бұрын
@@NiceTriGuy This. My uncle used to work for Nortel, and after he found out what was going on he went crazy with the cyber security. Firewalls everywhere, tape on every mounted camera, any device that could use an ethernet connection only used the ethernet and no other system, and ho Chinese tech in the house. Before that incident nobody really understood how much of a big deal cybersecurity is. After it, anyone with any intelligence was completely against any kind of spying.
@hugomansavage
Жыл бұрын
I would not say, "It's ridiculous", I say it's shameless. All that face saving for what? They don't have a face!
@evan5935
3 жыл бұрын
We need to get industry back in our own countries so we can enrich ourselves, our communities, and stop the reliance on cheap foreign goods that ends up sucking our wealth away 🤷♂️
@The_Unobtainium
Жыл бұрын
Hey, nobody forced your companies to go and move production to china (and destroying local economical status. Millions of families were ruined because of outsourcing. That time those companies didn't care about their own employees and their families!). The only reason was they are greedy as hell. It's soley greedy corporations fault so no reason to fell sorry for buying cheaper products.
@ronaldellis4662
Жыл бұрын
Spot on but the problem lays with greedy companies that are in business only for the quick buck and don't give a damn about their country and people 😡
@ИванДунин-т7и
Жыл бұрын
That was the plan to kill developed countries and take gold back was invested in 191x
@ivarkich1543
4 жыл бұрын
It's what the communism is about. Every property is common, including the intelectual one.
@--___--d
4 жыл бұрын
Not trying to be funny, but same with memes.
@ivarkich1543
4 жыл бұрын
@@DorkVader26 They sue in the name of the community of the workers class. lol
@Maria00900
3 жыл бұрын
China isn't communist, it's now socialist.
@ivarkich1543
3 жыл бұрын
@Kylo Ren It's just a joke showing how the CCP manipulates with the ideology depending on their current interests. See also my next comment under the first one.
@scarybarry2275
3 жыл бұрын
@@Maria00900 Don't be blind. It is communist. They have only the CCP (Chinese Communist Party). There is no "socialist" party.
@KingKhan-vo9og
4 жыл бұрын
Huawei laptops should modify their keyboards. Remove all the buttons and leave it as Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V. Simple.
@tsm4201979
3 жыл бұрын
ALT+shift+ESC
@TonyToniTone05
3 жыл бұрын
LoL
@nia6849
3 жыл бұрын
Press Ctrl+Alt+Del now everyone.
@canale_mio_bonaa
3 жыл бұрын
Ha ha ha
@AFellowGentleman
2 жыл бұрын
So my dad worked at Ericsson in the past. According to him they also did this. When they were sent out to replace base station or network equipment for a customer they would offer to dispose of the old racks. They would then take that home to the lab in Stockholm and dissect everything. Same thing with hand held devices. They would buy nokia and samsung phones and reverse engineer them.
@abaldopayardu2660
4 жыл бұрын
I was a tech savvy, Loved huawei, But after CCP virus, Bye bye shady Chinese companies.
@TheWunder
4 жыл бұрын
It's fair to call it CCP virus.
@peterwang5660
4 жыл бұрын
? What does Coronavirus have to do with Huawei having the standard moral compass of business people?
@raufus
4 жыл бұрын
@@peterwang5660 what does it have to do? Coronavirus is china's contribution to humanity, that all....
@TRDiscordian
4 жыл бұрын
@Rafael C so racism? I only say that because the only reason you cited to someone genuinely trying to get more information as "Chinese".
@bishyaler
3 жыл бұрын
This is one thing I've learned about Chinese companies: They rarely ever innovate, they can copy and adapt to their needs real well, but never innovate.
@citylinkproject9901
3 жыл бұрын
and that is bad for the consumer
@xucg
3 жыл бұрын
if a western company does somethin new, it is innovation in your eyes. if a chinese company does the same, it can only be classified as "adapt to their needs real well". The double standard without end.
@angeloj3139
3 жыл бұрын
They never spend time to research anything because everything they made is actually a copy of Western counterpart but with aggressive components to capture the market. Even in India, we are trying to build a whole new architecture for Cpu, Soc technology despite being poor, we're are trying our best for innovation. But Chinese just copies......and adds better components...
@andriyshapovalov8886
3 жыл бұрын
@@citylinkproject9901 its anything but bad for the consumer. Consumer gets cheaper product.
@seriouscat2231
3 жыл бұрын
@@andriyshapovalov8886, and nobody gets any money to research and develop the next product.
@dreemdazer
3 жыл бұрын
I've always had a gut feeling and suspicion about all of this and China, and I've been frustrated how the US government, for one, has allowed China to steal IP from U.S. companies just so that they can get into the Chinese market. So short sighted. And now we're dealing with the consequences of that greed. I try to avoid buying anything from China, which is difficult, but whenever there's a choice I buy local or from other countries. Like you I admire China's past, it's culture and it's people, because I've met some wonderful Chinese people (and I've also met the other type that you spoke about in another video), but the government and the BS that China is up to now is, well, BS.
@zhanhuijiang207
3 жыл бұрын
huawei is the most innovate company in china. he can design hardware for himself .but the other brand dont like him ,such as xiaomi ,oppo,vivo.they buy most things from usa
@denniskowalski8442
3 жыл бұрын
Trump tried to put his foot down on this but the swamp was too big even for him
@bengee1040
2 жыл бұрын
It's a complete fallacy to blame the US government for "allowing" the chinese to steal ip. Private companies thru profit/greed sent their products to China in hopes a expanding their markets or cheap labor, the chinese steal it. The US gov is not part of that equation until those companies come crying.
@dreemdazer
2 жыл бұрын
@@bengee1040 yes, that was partly what I meant to say, that corporate greed is to blame as well. That said, the U.S. government could have outlawed transference of IP in the name of national security. If what a company does now for a quick profit negatively effects our security and economic and technological well being and leadership then I think it should be outlawed, or at least the corporations should be heavily penalized for doing so.
@fss1704
Жыл бұрын
@@zhanhuijiang207 right, a company that only grew from stolen cisco IP.
@rishabbhattachaya6676
2 жыл бұрын
In India Huawei is effectively banned from participating in the 5G trials as they aren't on the list of trusted vendors.
@piercer4882
3 жыл бұрын
The story of the guy stealing info at a trade show just happened to my company last year. A competitor booth showed up early and disassembled our products and took detailed kotes and photos to be able to copy it. The trade show security ended up seizing all of their electronics but I'm sure everything was already sent over seas
@harness84_29
4 жыл бұрын
i used to work in telco and know alllllll about huawei. after listening to your 1-2 min intro im going to grab a beer and enjoy watching this. cheers mate! well done for making another gem (even though i have not watched it yet!)
@KevinArcade87
4 жыл бұрын
I been warning everyone around me not to buy Chinese devices especially Huawei products
@dionysus1917
4 жыл бұрын
Why?? Its cheap and high quality products. Israel steals way more technology and copyright than China. There's no point in financially punishing yourself, unless literally everyone boycotts (which will never happen because the wests establishments are occupied by Zionists who do more stealing than China anyway)
@Hasse23
4 жыл бұрын
@@dionysus1917 nice whataboutism
@dionysus1917
4 жыл бұрын
@Règinald Ray I agree. But in terms of ££££ the technology Israel steals is much more significant and important
@MrTahref
4 жыл бұрын
@@dionysus1917 There is a reason a lot of israelis/jewish scientists have won nobel prices. They have invented a lot more than you think.
@dionysus1917
4 жыл бұрын
@@MrTahref Nobel prices are corrupt as fuck and meaningless nowadays. Also we weren't discussing what they invented - we were discussing what they STEAL from America (which is basically everything) - much much much more than China. Even so, why are these inventions you are talking about??
@Natasha26
10 ай бұрын
Huawei also operates by the Microsoft business model for businesses (Telcos): - Find out what they lack - Cheaply modify core infrastructure to cause incompatibilities with equipment from other vendors - Replace incompatible vendor equipment - All equipments are now Huawei, under maintenance contract and mandatory end of support / upgrade.
@ywgmb35
3 жыл бұрын
When Meng Wanzhou was arrested in Vancouver, they found many kinds of Apple products in her luggage, but not ONE Huawei product, despite her father being the founder of the company, and her being CFO of it lol😂
@e-curb
3 жыл бұрын
She had two Apple I-phones to use.
@casualsuede
3 жыл бұрын
@@KPTKleist that why apple rarely use celebrity endorsements, why bother since they are all using one?
@BILLEON2005
3 жыл бұрын
iPhones are more secure
@OmegaGamer04
2 жыл бұрын
@@BILLEON2005 not really. Just less likely for dumb users to get out of the walled garden
@BILLEON2005
2 жыл бұрын
@@OmegaGamer04 Ok dummy…
@TooBadToBeAway1
3 жыл бұрын
Your comments on Huawei and its CFO were important for me. I live in metro Vancouver, and can attest that Meng was treated very fairly, even being able to go out to dinner, shopping, massages, etc. I am shocked, but not suprised that the CCP claims she was proven innocent, when, in fact, a DPA means that she admitted wrongdoing. Many believe that the case was entirely political, claiming that Canada doesn't have sanctions against doing business with Iran, but, in fact, the charge against her was fraud, since she lied to HSBC about a satellite company's connections to Iran. We just had a federal election, and Justin Trudeau was re-elected, only with a minority, though. Federal ministers have been saying they are CONSIDERING the decision to use Huawei in our 5-G networks. I cannot believe that there's any question that they would REFUSE Huawei's networks. Especially after the 2 Michaels. Plus every other 5-eye country has refused, even New Zealand. Just wondering if you might look into just how compromised Canada's political elites are. It seems this is the only explanation for Trudeau's 'purposeful naivety' around Huawei and the CCP.
@pyrointeam
4 жыл бұрын
English: Copyright German: Urheberrecht Chinese: Copy right away
@daviddurango840
4 жыл бұрын
XP LOL
@lordmashie
4 жыл бұрын
Right to copy
@coffeemakerbottomcracked
3 жыл бұрын
I'd imagine chinese product manual saying "copy right away"
@kabulpaws3386
3 жыл бұрын
Just look at huawei r&d by CNBC they cant copy something that's not even been invented yet that's confusing
@pyrointeam
3 жыл бұрын
@@jewelhaddad7340 please learn the meaning of the word racist
@freshtendrills5969
Жыл бұрын
There's a reason Huawei is banned in the US. it's an absolute insult to have your own products sold back to you at a steep discount.
@edmundkim007
4 жыл бұрын
I have a friend who works for western digital. He’s talked about huge scandals where huawei just straight up stole intellectual property.
@ITTechHead
4 жыл бұрын
Australia invented WiFi and the US companies stole that IP. Apple manufacturers NOTHING. Apple have stolen IP from Samsung & many other companies. Apple now copies idea's from Android other mobile makers
@doobas2171
3 жыл бұрын
@@ITTechHead stop the cap
@HenryHoang-x
2 жыл бұрын
@@ITTechHead you DO know that Apple created the first-ever smart phone right? Before them, everyone was using Nokia stuffs.
@OmegaGamer04
2 жыл бұрын
@@HenryHoang-x I think IBM was a bit earlier (1994 I think). Still the thing wasn't what I would call "portable". Apple was the first to get major appeal
@lohphat
4 жыл бұрын
I was pressured at a former employer to use Huawei networking products for a new corporate campus in Palo Alto, CA. I refused and used Juniper and Arista instead. I never regretted that decision.
@scottjosen2606
3 жыл бұрын
15 years ago I asked a friend who sold Cisco setups for hospitals, government agencies and such about Huawei as I'd read of a controversy about a Midwestern town that was going to let them handle their electronic infrastructure. He seriously had no idea what I was talking about.... Me, the Agriculture sales guy was astounded.
@nexult5439
Жыл бұрын
This episode was absolutely one of the BEST , WELL TOLD TRUTHS about the deceitful business practices that Chinese companies use. Thank You Winston, again we learn so much from your channel ❤️
@romanamenalo1126
Жыл бұрын
Why don't we learn about what did the dear foreigners to China in the 19th or after the fall of the chinese empire or also during their long revolution and later during the relocation of foreign companies in China. Of course, the chinese population had jobs, but a lot of companies had a lot of profit. Obviously there will be problems in the coming years for both sides.
@sergiemotiev1817
3 жыл бұрын
Mate, I was laughing at Soviet “genuine, authentic, original” mainframes EC 1033, EC 1045 and the like series. Half of the documentation and manuals was not even translated into Russian and blatantly photocopied with all the typos from IBM 360 😂
@davidhimmelsbach557
3 жыл бұрын
DEC famously ( 60 Minutes -- national exposé ) produced Soviet knock-offs of its 1170 mini-computer... a mainstay in the 1970s. Its motherboard and chips even kept DEC design errors. The traces matched to the micro-meter! Naturally, this meant that the US could hack the Soviet computers right down to micro-code. What a boner!
@johosaffattjones9449
3 жыл бұрын
And there's a lot of people in the west now with eyesight thanks to the Russian medical system and the breakthroughs that they shared with the west back in the 1980's . Dont think you are too much of a smart arse every sword has two sides.
@davidhimmelsbach557
3 жыл бұрын
@@johosaffattjones9449 True enough, but the West did NOT steal industrial secrets on the sly. And credit was given -- and still is -- to those who created such wonders. My favorite Soviet medical marvel was via a Siberian physician who -- on his own -- solved the ancient malady of un-equal joint length. ( So common with polio -- but not restricted to that disease. ) He used bicycle wheels and their spokes to hold rigid bones that he'd deliberately broken. The natural healing process of human bone tissue then closed the smallish gap that he'd crafted... forcing the targeted bone to grow longer. This process took years to dope out... with his first subjects being dogs. For those afflicted, his method is a miracle brought to life.
@johosaffattjones9449
3 жыл бұрын
@@davidhimmelsbach557 Like everything that is "invented " in the world a lot of other inventions and industrial processors have to be mastered before a great leap forward can be achieved. One can think of many simple things that allowed the Horseless carriage to be built from rubber tires to the development of Aluminum, cast iron and steel, to insulated copper wire. My mate who had polio when he was two had the bone lengthening operation on his leg carried out in Australia in 1961.
@davidhimmelsbach557
3 жыл бұрын
@@johosaffattjones9449 Then what of the ceramic pot? Paper? Your theory is spotty. BTW, why in the world did you put invented between apostrophes? Inventors have done more for humanity than a billion do-gooders... and an infinite number of politicians -- and clerics.
@daviddiaz529
4 жыл бұрын
China's McDonald's is called MacDowell's. Instead of the "Golden Arches" they have the "Golden Archs".
@travisgoodrich4290
3 жыл бұрын
Instead of KFC they have KFP. "P" standing for paltry
@percival23
3 жыл бұрын
Haha ... I think the "Coming to America" joke was missed by some of you guys. Well done David.
@daviddiaz529
3 жыл бұрын
@@percival23 ah thank you suh.
@tsm4201979
3 жыл бұрын
wtf dude bahwahah you totally stole it from "Coming to America" good movie for a slow night
@tsm4201979
3 жыл бұрын
Mcdonald's in Chinese "Mai dao Lao" or depending really on "Local" dialect "Mai Deng Lao" Mai Dao Nao"
makes me think of before WW2 when European leaders tried to sanction Hitler for breaking the treaty...
@archockencanto1645
3 жыл бұрын
@@jasons408 At-least Germany had better tech than the West.
@Tech-Priest
3 жыл бұрын
@@archockencanto1645 Egh, arguable.
@user-pakshibhithi10
3 жыл бұрын
@@Tech-Priest No, they were really better in most aspects
@martinsaint9999
Жыл бұрын
I tell you something: In 2013 I bought a Google Nexus 7 tablet. It was made very slow through an OS update only two years later. It became so slow I could not use it anymore. The result: I will never again buy any hardware from Google. Perhaps chinese firms steal but the American company Google damaged my tablet willingly. Planned obsolescence.
@Mmmm_tea
4 жыл бұрын
"they made him delete pictures" its not hard to undelete stuff, they should have confiscated his phone
@krightonzilon9140
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, sometimes people are too liberal.
@Omi_Kasigi
4 жыл бұрын
Oh look, Chinese companies copying tech shamelessly. In other news, water is wet.
@syiunshi
4 жыл бұрын
@sneksnekitsasnek Yet couldn't manufacture a ballpoint pen on their own until 2017
@Number12lookslikejoe
4 жыл бұрын
@sneksnekitsasnek it was 1180 years ago for gunpowder..800 years ago they created paper and 2000 years ago they created the compass (which then took another 900 years for them to start using for navigation) comparing that to the interlectual theft of military hardware/big tech/medicine/cars ect today does not really work.
@cephalonbob15
4 жыл бұрын
Well the US stole tech from the Germans after ww2 and a lot of it so China just pulling the same strat hère no big deal
@cephalonbob15
4 жыл бұрын
@@julianhaddad1431 always has been...
@frankmueller2781
4 жыл бұрын
@@julianhaddad1431 Cephelon Bob Even with 90 years of slavery (not something China's can claim never happened there) I'll put the moral history of the U.S against that of China's any day. If nothing else, we don't venerate a recent leader responsible for the death of between 30-70 million of his own people, only to reply, "Well, it's just that many fewer mouths to feed."
@dab9122
4 жыл бұрын
17 years ago they reversed engineered Cisco IOS for their crap switches and routers. Like everything Chinese, it's shyte...
@ondrejsedlak4935
4 жыл бұрын
Speaking of routers, I remember an Australian computer store used to stock Huawei line of security VPN UTMs. These things were their version or Fortinet, Watchguard etc devices. These devices needed a license to work. I was curious as to how I could actually buy one. I searched through the Huawei site, followed all the links in the manual and each time, came to a dead end. It was literally impossible to buy a license for their own products. Even their telephone support line had no idea. I made the computer store aware of this and the products disappeared from their website within 10 minutes. So yeah, they can't even support their own products.
@MA-fg5hz
4 жыл бұрын
Yep, I was looking for the link to this story to post. Ive saved it somewhere. Goes back to Huawei beginnings. Just thiefs.
@be2Gee
4 жыл бұрын
Reverse engineered my ass. They just stole it and didn't bother with anything.
@TheVhdream
4 жыл бұрын
Huawei not only stole the IOS, they reversed engineered the network gears hardware designs. That was possible since Cisco was using outside manufactured network IC's and cpu's. The Cisco and Huawei switches were nearly identical, physically and electrically. Cisco removed thier problem by not buying commerically available USA designed network IC's for the rest of the decade. I pretty sure that Cisco lost market share (and significant product support revenue) in the lower end of thier product line due to this policy. Cisco's Time to Market and product development cost both increased.
@IAmPiernik
2 жыл бұрын
I didn't know where Huawei originated so I unknowingly bought a phone from that company. When I did more research I felt horrible and switched to Google phone (still made in china but :( ) this video just confirmed all my fears that Huawei is just a horrible company
@TruthPrevail777
Жыл бұрын
Bro this dude is paid by western propaganda machine to spread lies and misinformation. Stop being a sheep which believe everything the empire says. What the Yank and Poms are doing is nothing but to drag down any developing nations to keep world domination. Don't catch the bandwagon hate train.
@cpuuk
4 жыл бұрын
Remember, China doesn't see a problem with copying, it's seen as a good thing if you can pull a fast one, it's culturally indoctrinated into the populace.
@weishi9804
3 жыл бұрын
The ancient Chinese inventors were not profit origin, sometime they even force people to copy to rise production.
@DriQ-qo7tp
4 жыл бұрын
Of course Huaiwei invented two things that have made it one of the definitive giants in the cyber world: (1) the art of stealing and (2) the art of counterfeiting.
@123samanthastar
2 жыл бұрын
3. Art of failing
@Andman8210
3 жыл бұрын
I’m avoiding all Chinese brands at all costs
@moinyp
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your valuable insight about China. Your videos are well-thought-out. Keep it up!
@benoone9573
4 жыл бұрын
"Among other things, Wall Street Journal has been in contact with a man who is said to have started working for Huawei Sweden in the early 2000s. He states that Huawei Sweden at that time put all its resources into trying to copy technology from Swedish companies, technology which was then sent on to China. At that time, Huawei's Swedish office was next door to Ericsson's head office in Kista (Stockholm), and the same source also stated that one of his tasks was to recruit staff who had been laid off from Ericsson to Huawei." From a magazine "Feber" in Sweden, August 2019. Ericsson and Huawei had a close relation also in China, but it turned out to be nearly fatal for Ericsson, who actually had acted quite naively to this "friendship".
@fmoore1467
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for telling it like it is. I appreciate you putting yourself out there to inform us. this needs to be known and I pray for the safety of your Canadian friends xox
@p.schmidt7032
3 жыл бұрын
Dude, you vids are so spot on. Especially on Chinese cultural details and tricks commonly used on high-trust societies.
@sandordugalin8951
2 жыл бұрын
**takes photos of cutting edge proprietary hardware internals at trade shows** "Hey, watcha doing there, kiddo?" "Sorry! Me no speakah English!"
@sideshow101101
3 жыл бұрын
No they haven't invented anything, but they're absolutely outstanding at reverse-engineering other companies products and copying them.
@anthonybelyea1964
2 жыл бұрын
That's like bragging you're a great Thief
@sideshow101101
2 жыл бұрын
@@anthonybelyea1964 They are pretty in your face with it.
@Core2lee91
4 жыл бұрын
"We are supporting the bad guys because we want a smart phone which costs a couple 100 dollars than the next brand". Just that, and unfortunately in my own experience the vast majority of people really just don't give a shit, and genuinely do not see that as an issue. the response is generally along the lines of "Well, Apple just sell old technology and call it new" or "It's a conspiracy theory". You only have to spend 5 minutes looking into companies like Huawei and basically any other Chinese tech company to see they blatantly take ideas from the west, cut out the R&D, save billions and sell a cheaper product in the process.
@johndelong5574
3 жыл бұрын
Theft is theft
@tsm4201979
3 жыл бұрын
my smart phone is a nexus 5 with android 7 made in South Korea and IMEI shows as US/Mexico.
@jopiet821
4 жыл бұрын
Yep, my brother married in Taipei in 1987 told me about his wives family getting screwed by Chinese businesses every time.
@TheLonelyMoon
2 жыл бұрын
huawei and xiaomi are the literal definition of "mom can we have iphone" "we have iphone at home" iphone at home:
@marcv2648
3 жыл бұрын
I was a CCNP support engineer for Cisco in the '90s before and through Y2K. Huawei had already copied Cisco IOS by then as well as model lines of Cisco routers and switches. I never saw much talk about this since I was very low level. People there just seemed to accept it. I never said anything much either, but it really bothered me and remember thinking how I would definitely be doing more about it I ran things. John Chambers was running the company then, and they were making record profits in the 90s. The corporate goal was to make a million dollars per year per employee at the time.
@kimlee6382
3 жыл бұрын
Very good report. Following your programs from California.
@truusjenskens8485
4 жыл бұрын
I just bought a chinese phone, a Doogee....they say it has the latest gps system Gallileo on board but guess what? There's no Gallileo onboard...they cheated me.
@NJ-wb1cz
4 жыл бұрын
Doogee is a crap brand and it's more likely a mistranslation or a weird bug instead of cheating since GPS support depends on the chipset, not the company who assembled your phone. It's strange in any case since Galileo is supported by pretty much all chipsets nowadays. What's your phone model or chipset model?
@ntrogeneration8908
4 жыл бұрын
@@NJ-wb1cz exactly the person should have bought a mainstream phone not some random one
@agalah408
4 жыл бұрын
A friend recently sent pictures to me of an Iphone he purchased, complete with factory seals. When he opened the box, there was no phone, just a handful of candles to make up the same weight and mass.
@dtraindaimyo3377
4 жыл бұрын
@@agalah408 Where did he purchase it? He got duped. I doubt that's from a manufacturer, mode than likely he got scammed from a personal sale.
@dPten
7 ай бұрын
In 2022, I sent a manuscript for publication in an European country based journal. They wasted two months of my time to simply reject the paper. They said my work wasn’t novel enough. Until then there weren’t many manuscripts published which produced data on as many samples as I did. Fine. I moved on and submitted it elsewhere. More than a year later I came to know about a paper by a Chinese group that was published in that same journal on the very same topic of mine, showing data regarding same samples as I reported. Coincidence? Then when I looked at their paper I realized that there are somethings that weren’t properly explained as to how they came to that particular conclusion. Guess what the author replied upon asking about it? They said that they will explain that particular thing in an upcoming unpublished work 😂. That is how they do science and ‘somehow magically’ their works get published within months while those of others are tossed around for months just to get rejected. By the way, that paper of mine is still being tossed around in the another journal that I submitted. I just wonder how power of money can influence academics and science these days. Appreciate your work sir. You are doing a very genuine work. Best wishes!
@tomhayes3291
4 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, the problem is more complex. Imagine being Nokia in the '90s. Your factories are in Finland and you are committed to keeping it that way. Then China enters the WTO and your competitors begin to relocate production to China and make huge profits because of the cost savings. Nokia is falling behind by the day, along comes a Hedge Fund or Bank and sees the opportunity to make money, so they start buying up shares. Once they reach a certain percentage, they start pressuring Nokia´s board to cut spending and relocate production to China as well. Because the board is committed to Finnland they refuse, so the Fund buys up even more shares until they can force the CEO and board members to comply or resign. Then they liquidate the assets and make a nice profit. We allowed the financialization of the entire economy and now we are paying the price. The irony is the fact that most businesses run on thin margins and cannot compete with the financial sector that makes enormous profits from very little initial capital. They are literally hollowing out economies, like a tumor.
@Ian-hn8ty
4 жыл бұрын
China copy while American profit from sweatshops. Who to blame? your own US companies sell out its own american workers. Win win situation for everyone except poor to middle class. China is wrong but US is not saint either with their deeds done before China become superpower. Basically the US dollar being a reserve is like a huge advantage to sanction, bully, and print future debts as long as you want. Only US fault if they decline with such huge advantage.
@coffeemakerbottomcracked
3 жыл бұрын
*torille!!!!!!!!!* bruh
@fjack1588
3 жыл бұрын
You are EXACTLY right. And we buy these products for nothing! Just for printed paper nearing the end of its life cycle.
@ehhe4381
4 жыл бұрын
Imagine breaking the law in China and using their defense: Oh, so sorry, I don't know the language...
@nighthawks6270
4 жыл бұрын
He is not thankful and his arrogance consumed goodwill of Chinese and irritating people. He just don't know a street guy actually is in no position to comment everything out of his knowledge in China. Show your repect to a country once host you.
@manuelmendonca8482
4 жыл бұрын
@@nighthawks6270 I done a bit of research on this moron Serpentza, he worked in China and used it to his full advantage and then ran away I believe due to some illegal activity, I know he left in a hurry and he says he has a Chinese wife ? how can she be with him when he betrays and belittles her country is she a traitor to her own origins or does she hate him and will divorce soon.
@previll
4 жыл бұрын
@@nighthawks6270 Serpentza is giving some very valid criticism of the CCP here, and he's always making the distinction between the people of China and the CCP. Xi Jinping is the evil one, not the people of China. Doesn't matter that China "hosted" Serpentza (and then drove him out). A Chinese can come into the West and give *valid* criticism of its systems as much as a Western can do the opposite in China.
@manuelmendonca8482
4 жыл бұрын
@@previll drove him out why? I was told by a local teacher that this serpentza was involved in illegal activity. What have you been told?
@previll
4 жыл бұрын
@@manuelmendonca8482 I've been told China almost has the worst Freedom of Press Index score of the entire world, making any news that comes directly from Chinese officials HIGHLY untrustworthy. Sorry dude, I wish China had it better, but you're saddled up with a dictator (Xi) that's playing his cards really well :(.
@hemmper
3 жыл бұрын
It's funny how many think patriotism is about flag-waving and talking in CAPS LOCK, when it should be about how you spend your money. Buy local!
@gamorro
3 жыл бұрын
That's a very hard thing to do. What you need to do is to buy quality and not price.
@danarzechula3769
3 жыл бұрын
The answer is to bring manufacturing back home and make a good product. Be less reliant on other nations and feed our own economy instead of feeding the enemy.
@fjack1588
3 жыл бұрын
A great pity. Bought American made garden tools that fell apart in a few days. Pain in the ass trying to find a screw, bolt or pin and fix the attachment of rake to haft. It seems like so much of our productive capacity has been gutted, neutered and demoralized.
@tsm4201979
3 жыл бұрын
@@danarzechula3769 wish more Americans can accept 10 bucks an hour instead of demanding 30!
@hemmper
3 жыл бұрын
@@fjack1588 That's whats wrong today, people buying crap and replacing it with new unrepairable crap. Did you do some research online to find good quality domestic tools? Twice the price is still cheaper if the tools last forever. My grandfather had 40 year old tools that still wasn't broken. Why can't we make that now!
@Darkest_matter
Жыл бұрын
In the early 70s, Japan was the same. Making cheap quality products and undercutting western companies. Now, japan are known for their craftmanship and dedication.
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