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@VndNvwYvvSvv
5 ай бұрын
"scholar" lol. World's most famous perfidious nonchristian subverter. One glance at his photos tells us why.
@barkatthemoonlunatic1715
4 ай бұрын
@@VndNvwYvvSvv So you have these super powers that let's you know all about a person based on the way they look?
@VndNvwYvvSvv
4 ай бұрын
@@barkatthemoonlunatic1715 Don't be so reductive. It's disingenuous. Tell me what you eat, and I'll tell you what you are. Anyone can tell a great deal from a glance at Ehrman if they know history, but I can't even explain it here or my comments will just be deleted. Can't say why for the same reason. You should be able to piece that together at least. Suffice it to say that he has vested interior motives many are aware of.
@barkatthemoonlunatic1715
4 ай бұрын
@@VndNvwYvvSvv Thanks for making perfects sense. Keep eating those mushrooms.
@VndNvwYvvSvv
4 ай бұрын
@@barkatthemoonlunatic1715 He's a rabid anti-Christian. From a group that is historically such, whether each individual is secular or not. What's difficult to understand? Do I need to get out my crayons? I'm kind of afraid you'll just try to eat them.
@bob3ironfist
Жыл бұрын
Thanks to Bart Erhman for pointing out that people don't have to be lying and instead just be mistaken. It always bothers me when people say if it's not true, then the witnesses were lying. It's a silly binary.
@TonyB2
Жыл бұрын
Thoughts on the dramatic change in action after the apostles claim to have witnessed the risen Jesus? Peter goes from cowardly denying Jesus prior to His death to boldly preaching His resurrection, even to the point of a gruesome death.
@jesan733
Жыл бұрын
@@TonyB2 the lack of historicity for the apostles' deaths is mentioned late in the vid. Perhaps you should listen to the whole vid before commenting?
@hubertagamasu6283
Жыл бұрын
@@jesan733 Ehrmann was straw-manning the evidence. The point is NOT whether or not the disciples died, but that THEY WERE WILLING TO SUFFER, EVEN IF THAT LEADS TO DEATH. That's what shows they were convinced and were not making this up. Whether or not they die through that persecution is immaterial. Their willingness to go through it is what explais their conviction. Ehrmann cannot argue the early disciples were not persecuted, so he resorts to a straw man of saying we cannot be sure they actually died in persecution. Secondly, Ehrmann did not even argue that they did not die; he only pleaded agnosticism claiming we cannot know the truth because the stories were embellished (e.g. milk coming out of the heads of the disciples). But is that not the very job of a historian, to flesh out the truth from embellishments? Ehrman is sitting here claiming to flesh out the truth about Christ from the "embellishments of Christianity". So why can't he also strip off the embellishments of the deaths of the disciples and tell us what actually happened?
@MrYelly
Жыл бұрын
@@hubertagamasu6283 You are desperately grasping. Even if there were accurate accounts of the lives and deaths of the apostles, and even if they were convinced that their cause was just and true; it still does not lead to any evidence. "that THEY WERE WILLING TO SUFFER, EVEN IF THAT LEADS TO DEATH" In your words, islamic martyrdom and hindus setting themselves on fire, somehow proves that all their gods are real. I don't see how that follows, or how it that is even remotely coherent or rational. If I am willing to die for ghosts, it does not mean ghosts are real; more likely is that I am suffering from a condition or a stroke and require immediate treatment. History is buried and muddied through time; Ehrmann adresses that not everything can be known or fully transparant; nor does it need to be in the context of folk-tales. And that is already more intellectually honest than anything that ever came out of any church. Bible humpers are pathetic.
@Wertbag99
Жыл бұрын
@@hubertagamasu6283 From what I understand we only have church traditions from many centuries later saying what became of the disciples. For Bart to lean towards there being insufficient evidence to come to a conclusion seems to be a fair position to hold. We have no clear evidence as to what happened to most of the disciples, they mostly drop off the radar after the NT. If we can confirm some were executed, that doesn't mean that it was for the crime of blasphemy, or that there was any possibility that they could have been saved by renouncing their faith. Even if you can somehow show that they died due to their beliefs and stuck to those beliefs when they could have been saved, then as you say that would only show they were convinced of their beliefs but not that those beliefs were true. We know of plenty of Muslims who will die for their beliefs, but we would both agree those beliefs are false regardless of how convinced they are.
@wagsman9999
Жыл бұрын
It’s amazing what you learn about Christianity outside of the church.
@hubertagamasu6283
Жыл бұрын
Nothing amazing about a man who appeals to early sources one moment and throws them under the bus the other moment. I agree ,though that it's the laziness of the church in engaging Ehrman on his confused theology that has given him such boldness to be spewing nonsense.
@pineapplepenumbra
Жыл бұрын
@@hubertagamasu6283 "such boldness to be spewing nonsense." Can you name some examples that you regard as nonsense?
@hubertagamasu6283
Жыл бұрын
@@pineapplepenumbra Read Mark 14:61-63 and ask yourself whom the Son of Man is, according to Christ. If you think Jesus is calling himself the Son of man (which Ehrman denies), then you understand Ehrman's intellectual dishonesty and nonsense.
@pineapplepenumbra
Жыл бұрын
@@hubertagamasu6283 Firstly, no one was there, so how would you know what was said? Secondly, it's a bit ambiguous, how is the "Son of Man" defined? Remember, there's a lot of bollocks talked about the bible, such as who Lucifer is, who the serpent in the garden was, etc. 60 "Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” 61 But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?” 62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” 63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. 64 “You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?”
@kylecampbell1532
Жыл бұрын
@@hubertagamasu6283 You're speaking about intellectual dishonesty, but you believe a man died and rose from the dead, even though it has never happened before or since in the history of the world. THIS is intellectual dishonesty, and it's why you must accept that your beliefs are FAITH. Please learn the meaning of words and terms before you use them to try and look smart.
@cherryjuice9946
Жыл бұрын
It's enjoyable to listen to a civilized discussion, with no fake drama. This was an hour well spent.
@ossiedunstan4419
Жыл бұрын
Their is nothing civilised about religious rhetoric.
@davidshaffer511
Жыл бұрын
@@ossiedunstan4419 Then you should like this discussion all the more, for it destroys a great deal of religious rhetoric.
@colacurciolaw7745
Жыл бұрын
Amen! 😊
@elusive4072
Жыл бұрын
Psalm 1:1 How happy is the one who does not walk in the advice of the wicked or stand in the pathway with sinners or sit in the company of mockers! 2 Instead, his delight is in the Lord’s instruction, and he meditates on it day and night. 3 He is like a tree planted beside flowing streams that bears its fruit in its season, and its leaf does not wither. Whatever he does prospers. 4 The wicked are not like this; instead, they are like chaff that the wind blows away. 5 Therefore the wicked will not stand up in the judgment, nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous. 6 For the Lord watches over the way of the righteous, but the way of the wicked leads to ruin.
@SabbathDay
Жыл бұрын
2 PETER 3:3-13 Above all, you must understand that in the last days SCOFFERS will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “WHERE IS THIS COMING” He promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. 8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a DAY IS LIKE A THOUSAND YEARS, and a THOUSAND YEARS ARE LIKE A DAY. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 10 But the DAY OF THE LORD WILL COME LIKE A THIEF. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.
@MagisterHamid
Ай бұрын
I’ve never seen anyone dismantle the foundation of Christian core doctrines in a more eloquent way like Bart Ehrman does in this video. He picks it apart piece by piece.
@cassandraseven3478
27 күн бұрын
Rome did a better job.
@worldnotworld
10 күн бұрын
And fails utterly.
@MagisterHamid
10 күн бұрын
@@worldnotworld he did an excellent job.
@cassandraseven3478
9 күн бұрын
@@MagisterHamid Just as any 11-year-old would do.
@jacobtesta2765
Жыл бұрын
I could seriously listen to Ehrman talk to hours. His voice is so peaceful and reassuring. And also he speaks straight up facts.
@davidjanbaz7728
Жыл бұрын
His laugh is psychodic!
@borna1231
Жыл бұрын
Lucky for you actually can 😄! His channel is an absolute treasure trove of information.
@xaviervelascosuarez
Жыл бұрын
To say that the doctrine of the Trinity teaches that the three persons are three separate "beings" is an astonishing rookie error for a scholar of Ehrman's fame. Any Catholic who goes to mass on Sundays, weekly recites in the Creed (formulated in Nicaea ad 325, and tweaked in Constantinople ad 381): "I believe in One Lord Jesus Christ (...) *One in being with the Father* ...." I also had a high regard for Bart Ehrman, but this interview was highly disappointing, not only for the above mentioned reason, but also because of his rabid skepticism that comes across as very much ad hoc. For example, he affirms that Jesus was condemned to death by Pilates for calling himself the King of the Jews, which he can only know from the Gospels he much distrusts when they say that he had previously condemned to death by the Sanhedrin for calling himself God. Seems very convenient to pick and choose _from the same source_ whatever best fits his narrative.
@rustyk4645
Жыл бұрын
@@xaviervelascosuarez didn't you say this on a Different Thread? Word for word? As for ''Picking and Choosing" what to believe in the Gospels... Isn't that what Christianity has done for Millennia?
@MrYelly
Жыл бұрын
@@rustyk4645 I am half convinced Xavier is a bot. He just copy and pastes the same incoherent crap everywhere without ever engaging about it. I dont think he understands his own words.
@vsk6706
4 ай бұрын
6:04 Did Jesus think the world was about to end? 12:50 Did Jesus claim he was God? 30:00 Did Jesus contradict trinitarianism? 32:39 Did John make up Jesus' divinity? 35:41 Are the birth narratives forged? 42:08 Mistakes and mistranslations in the New Testament 1:01:03 Responding to William Lane Craig on the resurrection 1:26:25 Who did Jesus claim to be? 1:29:40 Outro
@sebolddaniel
3 ай бұрын
The centurion made up Jesus's divinity in the Gospel of Mark. Mark came up with his divinity.
@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT
2 ай бұрын
.Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
@sebolddaniel
2 ай бұрын
@@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT He enjoyed his power.
@frankmickeyumeh4303
Ай бұрын
your quotations don't have a book only numbers😂
@sebolddaniel
Ай бұрын
The Chinese don't use quotes in their language. That is Chinese script. Isnt it? At any rate, thanks for the quotes.
@JTOG94
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate so much how genuinely you seek to understand and fairly represent views opposed to yours. I’m a Christian and have adored this channel for the last several years I have been a fan. These are incredibly compelling objections to Christianity. Keep up the good work!
@hermes7526
Жыл бұрын
how can you adore this as a christian when this guy all he does is oppose christianity.
@jakeschwartz2514
Жыл бұрын
Do you think the Gospel’s are not consistent like Ehrman says in this video? As a Christian?
@Vizible21
Жыл бұрын
@@jakeschwartz2514yes but most Christians hate to admit it because it would mean they have been lied to their whole life.
@curtisowen
Жыл бұрын
Same here. I love Alex and Bart 🙏
@sergius8495
Жыл бұрын
I do not understand these kinds of comments. Why are you still Christian after watching all of these podcasts? I‘m seriously curious, because these are some hard-hitting arguments, that are very hard to argue against. So what‘s your objection to for example the historicity of Jesus Christ‘s resurrection?
@thesolarengineer
17 күн бұрын
Very disappointed that Bart didn't storm out in huff, complaining that Alex is obsessed with the question of Jesus' divinity!😂❤🎉
@MatejHajnal
5 күн бұрын
"Alex seems to be obsessed with a lot of things", like drugs, for instance, go and watch when somebody actually did storm out :D
@eli7527
8 ай бұрын
I like Bart he’s very down to earth. And good challenging questions for him Alex. Great interview very informative
@ViralChristianity
6 ай бұрын
Bart he’s very down to hell
@Knauchs
5 ай бұрын
@@ViralChristianity there's that word people throw around. Earth? Hell? Aren't they the same really? It's semantics at this point. Hell is a Latin word that literally means, "to conceal or to cover." e.g. to bury the dead, as in the abode of the dead, i.e. where you put the bodies. Earth is sometimes referred to as an abyss or a sea, in a sense. As above so below. The waters above from the waters below. Because, either things go into the ground or in the future come out of it. Hades is a Greek word that literally means the same as the Latin, as in the state or "abode" of the dead. So, yeah earth is in a literal sense is just dirt you use to bury people with. If you ask a Jewish person about it they'll tell you yeah dead and buried, the concept of a Christian "hell" has no meaning to them. So, yeah Mr. Ehrman is very down to earth, someone is practical, realistic, and unpretentious. In your sense lol we'll all be there soon enough. You can't buy your stairway to heaven, as in a sale of indulgence; you can't “buy your way to heaven” through good deeds as an extra precaution to achieve salvation. You can't supplicate the "LORD" with prayer. And regardless of good or bad, rich or poor, young or old; all our paths come to the same end, 'the sun shines on both the just and the unjust.' And from the earth I was taken and to the earth I will return. 'All that is born, all that is created, all the elements of nature [...] All that is composed will decompose; everything returns to its roots; matter returns to the origins of matter.' Hell ain't bad place to be, to quote AC/DC. But, any day above ground is a good day lol.
@gestapoid
5 ай бұрын
@@ViralChristianity Really? Because he was saved at one point. Of course, there is no hell, unless God invented it sometime between the OT and the NT.
@michaeljmasseri973
4 ай бұрын
He is a jerkoff Out of context ... But if he spoke in context He would be absolutely wrong
@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT
2 ай бұрын
Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
@matthewcoenen6957
Жыл бұрын
Thank you both for the informative content. I think this was an excellent interview/conversation. Alex had some great questions and respectfully challenged some of Dr. Ehrman's positions, but made sure to give Bart time to speak and thoroughly explain why he holds the views that he does. Keep up the great work!
@Wretched2JZ
Жыл бұрын
Agree
@MossyMozart
Жыл бұрын
@matthewcoenen6957 - I think he is sometimes taking a 'devil's advocate' position.
@endtimeslips4660
9 ай бұрын
Liberal = Trash people Drugs = OK Single parents = OK Prostitution and abortion = OK but when the social life start reflecting the consequence for that choice like Theft, car jacking, Robbery, Street Violence, HIV, drugs, Drunker. This prick blame Christianity, they blame Judaism. hahahahahaha. no wonder hell is real. place for the P R I C K/
@lukewaidmann3678
9 ай бұрын
agreed
@theredeemeriam
8 ай бұрын
Let me explain this out to the jews, christians, and muslims so that all of you have clarity and understand. Jesus is not the Father. Jesus is the very first human soul to exist. This is why the christians overcompensate Jesus and why the muslims undercompensate whom jesus truly is. Does this mean jesus is any less important or meaningless? This is a question only you can answer, for that answer lies within each and every one of you. He was not born of a virgin birth. He is of the line of judah. In fact, if you wish to know something of interest about your savior, let me explain how he returns. He returns the same as he did the first time, a man no different from you. He was born a pauper, a bastard son of a roman soldier. Yes, the jews are correct. This is who your king is. Once again, the jews will call his mother a prostitute for bearing three sons from three different fathers. The only thing is one of these fathers is a Roman soldier, of the line of judah. So yes, the jews are correct, and yet incorrect. Hopefully, this brings some clarity to all. Happy New years everyone, and buckle up because things are about to get interesting!
@monkeyboy51
Жыл бұрын
Impressive. Very nice. Let's see Paul Allen saying no.
@johncalabria1607
Жыл бұрын
😂❤
@BLVGamingY
Жыл бұрын
His timbre tone... It's perfect. The subtle voice cracking...
@zapkvr0101
Жыл бұрын
@@BLVGamingYtimber and timbre are different words. For Christ's sake
@zapkvr0101
Жыл бұрын
The,guy who owns Microsoft
@DumbAsh00
Жыл бұрын
@@danielduvana American psycho
@KarmasAB123
3 ай бұрын
I love it when Bart switches into professor mode, letting Alex think through something :D
@bobgarrett7134
2 ай бұрын
Bart is a jerk. He's a silly character.
@75ENVY
2 ай бұрын
@@bobgarrett7134but a very intelligent fun childlike character. All you would want in a Professor , Teacher or friend
@bobgarrett7134
2 ай бұрын
@@75ENVY No he isn't. I want a knowledgeable professor, a learned teacher, and a sincere friend -- not an ignoramus. Bart is about Bart and proving Bart right. Jesus said "I am I AM" ... "Before Abraham was, I am" ... "I am the first and the last, the alpha and the omega" ... "How can you say show us the father? Anyone who sees me has seen the father" ... In these and countless other ways, Jesus revealed his divine nature. He not only claimed to be God. He is God.
@UrsaringKrusherX
2 ай бұрын
@@bobgarrett7134 he is learned and knowledgeable about the bible, and additionally about history and contexts surrounding jesus' time and place. You on the other hand, only know how to regurgitate verses, dont know how to verify and contextualize the truth claims in the verse against the backdrop of historical evidence. So whos really the silly one?
@bobgarrett7134
2 ай бұрын
@@UrsaringKrusherX You're making pretentious, false, and smug claims -- like Ehrman does. He's uttering lies and disinformation that fit his atheist views. He's ignoring historical proofs, writings, and archeological history. Critics used to believe the Bible was wrong because they felt that King David was a legendary, mythical character. They pointed to the fact that there was no archaeological evidence that King David was an actual historical figure. But then … in 1994, archaeologists discovered an ancient stone slab in northern Galilee that was inscribed with the references to King David and the "House of David." Critics used to believe the Bible was wrong because there was no evidence (outside of the Bible) that a group of people called the Hittites ever existed. The Hittite civilization is mentioned approximately 40 times in the Old Testament; thus skeptics were convinced that this proved the Bible is a mythical creation of ancient Hebrew writers. But then … in 1906, a German archaeologist named Hugo Winckler was excavating in Boghaz-Koi, Turkey, and discovered the capital city of the ancient Hittite empire, the entire Hittite library and 10,000 clay tablets documenting the Hittite history. Scholars translated these writings and discovered that everything the Bible said about the Hittite empire was true. Critics used to believe that a king named Belshazzar never really existed, thus calling into question the historicity of the book of Daniel, which mentions this Babylonian king. But then, in 1854, Henry Rawlinson discovered an inscription in Iraq that named Belshazzar as the oldest son and co-regent of King Nebonidus, who would often leave Belshazzar in charge of Babylon while he traveled. This discovery also helped to clarify Daniel 5:29, which states that Daniel was elevated to the “third highest ruler in the kingdom.” Critics used to believe the book of Acts was not historically accurate. A man named Sir William Ramsay, who is well known to be one of the greatest historical scholars and archaeologists in history, decided to try to disprove the Bible as the inspired Word of God by showing that the book of Acts was not historically accurate. But then, after 30 years of archaeological research in the Middle East, Ramsay came to the conclusion that “Luke is a historian of the first rank; not merely are his statements of fact trustworthy … this author should be placed along with the very greatest historians.” He later wrote a book on the trustworthiness of the Bible based on his discoveries and converted to Christianity. Sir Ramsay found no historical or geographical mistakes in the book of Acts. This is amazing when we realize that in the book of Acts, Luke mentions 32 countries, 54 cities, nine Mediterranean islands and 95 people and he did not get one wrong. Compare that with the Encyclopedia Britannica. The first year the Encyclopedia Britannica was published it contained so many mistakes regarding places in the United States that it had to be recalled. Critics used to believe the Old Testament simply could not be reliable because they felt that over a long period of time the Old Testament writings would have been changed, altered, edited or corrupted. But then, in 1947, the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered. These scrolls contained, among other writings, every book in the Old Testament (except Esther). Until the Dead Sea Scrolls were found, the earliest copy of the complete Old Testament was from A.D. 900. Scholars compared this copy with the Dead Sea Scrolls (produced around 1,000 years earlier) and found that the Old Testament had been handed down accurately through the centuries. The prestigious Smithsonian Institution’s Department of Anthropology has offered the following official statement pertaining to the historical reliability of the Old Testament ... "The historical books of the Old Testament are as accurate historical documents as any that we have from antiquity and are in fact more accurate than many of the Egyptian, Mesopotamian, or Greek histories. These Biblical records can be and are used as are other ancient documents in archaeological work.” In other words, not only does archaeological history confirm that the Bible is historically accurate, but professional archaeologists actually use the Bible as a guide in their work. The great Jewish archaeologist Nelson Glueck, who is known to be one of the top three archaeologists in history, has stated the following: "No archaeological discovery has ever contradicted a single, properly understood Biblical statement."
@SharaiLunn
Жыл бұрын
As a Christian, I really appreciate this episode and I enjoyed every second of this conversation. It was very informative. I heard that Bart Ehrman was one of the best biblical scholars and hearing him talk on this episode blew my mind! I also loved the way in which Alex hosted this interview. He asked the right questions!
@王宏亮-x8h
Жыл бұрын
You are blind spiritually.
@zaidzaid7455
Жыл бұрын
﴿مَا المَسيحُ ابنُ مَريَمَ إِلّا رَسولٌ قَد خَلَت مِن قَبلِهِ الرُّسُلُ وَأُمُّهُ صِدّيقَةٌ كانا يَأكُلانِ الطَّعامَ انظُر كَيفَ نُبَيِّنُ لَهُمُ الآياتِ ثُمَّ انظُر أَنّى يُؤفَكونَ﴾ [المائدة: 75] (75) The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food.[277] Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. [277]- They were in need of sustenance, proving that they were creations of Allāh, not divine beings. - English Translation
@JohnDoe-w2p5d
Жыл бұрын
J. Vernon Mcgee a southern Baptist pastor with PhD in theology could teach you way more about the Bible amd scripture that's accurate and not garbage. If anyone claims Jesus Chris is not God.. thier preaching another gospel can may as well be accursed by God.
@zaidzaid7455
Жыл бұрын
@@JohnDoe-w2p5d ﴿مَا المَسيحُ ابنُ مَريَمَ إِلّا رَسولٌ قَد خَلَت مِن قَبلِهِ الرُّسُلُ وَأُمُّهُ صِدّيقَةٌ كانا يَأكُلانِ الطَّعامَ انظُر كَيفَ نُبَيِّنُ لَهُمُ الآياتِ ثُمَّ انظُر أَنّى يُؤفَكونَ﴾ [المائدة: 75] (75) The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food.[277] Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. [277]- They were in need of sustenance, proving that they were creations of Allāh, not divine beings. - English Translation
@zaidzaid7455
Жыл бұрын
@@JohnDoe-w2p5d ﴿وَلَقَد أَخَذَ اللَّهُ ميثاقَ بَني إِسرائيلَ وَبَعَثنا مِنهُمُ اثنَي عَشَرَ نَقيبًا وَقالَ اللَّهُ إِنّي مَعَكُم لَئِن أَقَمتُمُ الصَّلاةَ وَآتَيتُمُ الزَّكاةَ وَآمَنتُم بِرُسُلي وَعَزَّرتُموهُم وَأَقرَضتُمُ اللَّهَ قَرضًا حَسَنًا لَأُكَفِّرَنَّ عَنكُم سَيِّئَاتِكُم وَلَأُدخِلَنَّكُم جَنّاتٍ تَجري مِن تَحتِهَا الأَنهارُ فَمَن كَفَرَ بَعدَ ذلِكَ مِنكُم فَقَد ضَلَّ سَواءَ السَّبيلِ﴾ [المائدة: 12] (12) And Allāh had already taken a covenant from the Children of Israel, and We delegated from among them twelve leaders. And Allāh said, "I am with you. If you establish prayer and give zakāh and believe in My messengers and support them and loan Allāh a goodly loan,[247] I will surely remove from you your misdeeds and admit you to gardens beneath which rivers flow. But whoever of you disbelieves after that has certainly strayed from the soundness of the way." [247]- By spending in the cause of Allāh, seeking His reward. - English Translation
@Bingbangboompowwham
11 ай бұрын
Hearing this interview right after having listened to your recent interview with Peter Hitchens, I can’t help but notice a difference between how two guests respond differently to your inquiries/pushback. I recall that your channel has focused on Peter Hitchens at least twice, the first time being his theological debate. And I recall that, during that debate, he opened by stating his doubt that the opposing speakers were taking the topic seriously. So naturally I immediately noticed when, during your interview with him, he quipped at the very start, “so far, so good”, as if he expected to be disappointed by your viewpoints.
@janetwalmsley-heron
3 ай бұрын
Scholars are not necessarily Christians who Know Jesus and are not Spiritual but all Brain and no Spiritual and the only Message your Guest has right is Love One Another and Giving the Message of GOD IS FROM GOD AND NOT HUMAN THINKING GOD IS GOD AND NOT HUMAN JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD AND HE TALKS OF GOD AS HIS FATHER!! WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS DISCUSSION? WHY BOTHER TALKING WHEN NEITHER OF YOU BELIEVE JUST A WASTE OF BREATH AND TIME and Energy Faith is not just about here and now but Eternity no one can or should change what Jesus said!! It is God's Word He is Teaching what His Father taught Him😅😢
@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT
2 ай бұрын
Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
@ScoobyFermentation
Жыл бұрын
I've watched a lot of Bart Ehrman interviews and podcasts and I think the interviewer in this instance is one of the best. Pointed and thoughtful questions and able to keep up with Bart's intellect.
@izzytoons
11 ай бұрын
I agree. One exception was the discussion of the group(s) of witnesses who saw Jesus after he died. Bart gave his answers. First, he quesitoned the empty tomb, since crucified criminals at that time were generally left for dead on the cross, food for scavengers. (Also, Jesus simply was not of the right class to be buried in a tomb.) Second, he noted that we do not have the accounts of these witnesses. We have the account of someone who didn't know these witnesses, who lived far away, and who used a different language. There are problems with all those things when assessing the reliability of a historical record. That was Bart's response, essentially. Well, Alex kept repeating his question, particularly on the second point. He really wanted to know how Bart could deny the resurrection if groups of people saw him. All Bart could do is explain, once again, calmly, that we do not have eyewitness accounts. We have the account of someone relaying hearsay, hearsay generated during the aftermath of an event occuring long ago, faraway, by people who spoke another language. End of story. THE CLAIM OF A RESURRECTION RESTS ENTIRELY ON HEARSAY. Which, frankly, is the bedrock of most of the Bible and Judaism and Chrisitanity in general. Hearsay.
@madam1madam121
10 ай бұрын
Bart is an anti Christ I read the comments And I do Not want to hear further. If He died He will go to Hell. Too bad too late for Him He is sure a Proud person. The down fall of a person Is his pride same as the down fall For Angel Lucifer. Old and Not wise. Also Will Jesus deciples died for lies ? Will you died for lies ??? Jesus is the Son of God He is the way, the truth No one comes to the Father Except through Him. The risen Lord Jesus is seated at The Right hand of the Father And will judge the living and the dead. Laugh now when you still can. I got was sick and cannot get up from my bed. Daily I prayed to Jesus Christ and was heal without surgery. Even the Doctor have No answer For my healing. There is a God. And Jesus is my healer.
@combinedeffects4799
9 ай бұрын
Could it be you like Bart because you don’t want to believe in God ?
@blootooth00
9 ай бұрын
@izzytoons if it helps, Alex isn't repeating those questions because he himself believes Jesus was resurrected. His usual interview style is to play devils advocate, or more accurately the theists advocate. So he's parroting arguments people like William Lane Craig make to substantiate the Bible, and allowing Bart to refute those arguments at each available angle. It did get a bit repetitive though, I agree.
@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT
2 ай бұрын
.Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
@markrichter2053
5 ай бұрын
I absolutely love this conversation and it merits at least a second listen The pertinent questions framed so simply and precisely and the crystal clear logic of Bart’s answers make hit such an informed and informative conversation. These two are wonderful and I can’t praise them enough. Two smart, honest scholars elucidating these issues so t gf at we too can see as clearly as possible. So helpful and so easy to follow.
@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT
2 ай бұрын
Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
@george5120
10 ай бұрын
This is one of Ehrman's best podcasts. Much credit is owed to Alex O'Conner, too, for facilitating the discussion better than most podcast hosts are capable of. Alex has a knack for steering the discussion by saying the right thing at the right time. I have never listened to Alex, before. But I am subscribing to his KZitem channel since he is such an effective podcast host. Alex is as good of interviewer as Larry King was.
@endtimeslips4660
9 ай бұрын
Alex is a typical unresponsible being in America. if someone want be a drug addict he approve single parent OK OK OK. LOL like a Democrat. but if a thing start affecting his life theft car jacking robbery street violence. he BLAME THE JEWS, BLAME CHRISTIAN. trash liberal all the same bastard people. talk nonsense but NOT want take responsible.
@MattHabermehl
9 ай бұрын
I didn't watch a lot of Larry King but given that he didn't know what he was talking about most of the time (famously didn't do any research on the guests), that seems like an unnecessarily low bar.
@endtimeslips4660
9 ай бұрын
@@MattHabermehl he so deep like the sea. but unfortunately that sea will be no more LOL Revelation 21:1 All Things Made New Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. satan will lose GOD will in triumph Halelujah! Woke liberal at the brink their last gasp
@george5120
9 ай бұрын
@@MattHabermehl Larry King was among the most awarded, recognized, longest running, successful interviewers of all time. This is true regardless of personal opinions, including yours.
@ThreePersonsInOne
8 ай бұрын
Even the host in this video knows more than Bart about the deity of Jesus. Listening Bart is a waste of time and money. He leads people in a cult of Satanic fractures. Because according to the Bible if you are believing first Jesus is God, then you are seeing it while getting equipped for it. If you choose not to believe first, God never force you the equipment and the Bible through down your throat. You have free will, and very beginning if you are not willing to believe, then you will keep getting same result and you just keep banging your head to a death end’s wall. There’s no way out.
@SeekingTruth2023
Жыл бұрын
Dear Alex, I follow you on YT for quite a time. And I learned SO MUCH!!! from you. It changed my life, tbh. And I highly highly respect Dr. Ehrman. I've read almost all of his books, and they changed my life too. Through both of you I began to learn about critical thinking. So here, the two wonderful people who inspired me the most, are discussing. So great! Best wishes and a giant thank you from Germany!
@mrbungle2627
Жыл бұрын
You should read this VERY short publication “Misquoting Gieschen Originally published in Concordia Theological Quarterly” It is of a scholar that Dr. Ehrman cited 3 times to support a radical viewpoint. The scholar believes that Dr. Ehrman might have deliberately misappropriated his studies and quotations. There are many more like this. These aren’t scholars of equal caliber, these are scholars that Dr. Ehrman relies upon to make his points. If you want more I will provide more.
@SeekingTruth2023
Жыл бұрын
@@mrbungle2627 thank you for that advice. I will try to inform myself. And yes, I would be grateful for more.
@adrianseanheidmann4559
Жыл бұрын
@@mrbungle2627 I have no idea what on earth, hell and heaven there is that Dr. Ehrman would have to rely on to bring forward a "radicale" viewpoint of anything.
@mrbungle2627
Жыл бұрын
@@adrianseanheidmann4559 I don’t think you’re aware that scholars constantly cite other scholars to support their positions. But considering most KZitem sycophants guzzle cum without even considering how the academic world works, I’m not surprised.
@xaviervelascosuarez
Жыл бұрын
To say that the doctrine of the Trinity teaches that the three persons are three separate "beings" is an astonishing rookie error for a scholar of Ehrman's fame. Any Catholic who goes to mass on Sundays, weekly recites in the Creed (formulated in Nicaea ad 325, and tweaked in Constantinople ad 381): "I believe in One Lord Jesus Christ (...) *One in being with the Father* ...." I also had a high regard for Bart Ehrman, but this interview was highly disappointing, not only for the above mentioned reason, but also because of his rabid skepticism that comes across as very much ad hoc. For example, he affirms that Jesus was condemned to death by Pilates for calling himself the King of the Jews, which he can only know from the Gospels he much distrusts when they say that he had previously condemned to death by the Sanhedrin for calling himself God. Seems very convenient to pick and choose _from the same source_ whatever best fits his narrative.
@MrYelly
Жыл бұрын
I simply adore doctor Ehrman, he is so polite when he cuts through the shite
@xaviervelascosuarez
Жыл бұрын
To say that the doctrine of the Trinity teaches that the three persons are three separate "beings" is an astonishing rookie error for a scholar of Ehrman's fame. Any Catholic who goes to mass on Sundays, weekly recites in the Creed (formulated in Nicaea ad 325, and tweaked in Constantinople ad 381): "I believe in One Lord Jesus Christ (...) *One in being with the Father* ...." I also had a high regard for Bart Ehrman, but this interview was highly disappointing, not only for the above mentioned reason, but also because of his rabid skepticism that comes across as very much ad hoc. For example, he affirms that Jesus was condemned to death by Pilates for calling himself the King of the Jews, which he can only know from the Gospels he much distrusts when they say that he had previously condemned to death by the Sanhedrin for calling himself God. Seems very convenient to pick and choose _from the same source_ whatever best fits his narrative.
@jwdomes
Жыл бұрын
Well put @xaviervelascosuarez. The more I listen to Dr. Ehrman, the more it seems like he just doesn't want the Christian narrative to be true. That's his prerogative of course, but let's call a spade a spade.
@noahlee3476
Жыл бұрын
Ok for the Trinity thing, he was explaining the different viewpoints early Christians had on the relationships between the father, son, and Holy Spirit and how there can there be 3 in one. The view that each person is a separate being was rejected as a heresy as he said in the interview and the Trinitarian model with the Son being of the same substance as the father and Holy Spirit won out. He himself is not saying the trinity has three separate beings or that that’s what the Bible teaches… only that is a debate that happened after the writing of the New Testament. As for Jesus’s trial, both can be true. The Sanhedrin wanted him to be put to death because he claimed he was God, but he was ultimately executed for secular/political reasons under Pontius Pilate. Pilate didn’t ask “are you the Son of God” and then put him to death. He asked him “are you the king of the Jews”. That’s a political statement, not a theological one, and Jesus was not on trial before Pilate for a theological claim. Bart’s view is that some parts of the Gospels are historically reliable and some aren’t. That’s an internally consistent view because he gives reasons for why he thinks some parts are more reliable than others. He’s not ignoring the Sanhedrin trial, his point is, that the Jew’s theological problem with Jesus was not the ultimate reason why Pilate sentenced him to death. He’s not ignoring one part of the gospel.
@williamhutton2126
Жыл бұрын
Ehrman is an over educated imbecile. All he proves is that intelligence and education are not inextricable. It is true that Jesus never said the exact words, “I am God.” He did, however, make the claim to be God in many different ways, and those who heard Him knew exactly what He was saying. For example, in John 10:30, Jesus said, “I and the Father are one.” The Jews who heard Him make that statement knew well that He was claiming to be God, as witnessed by their reaction: “His Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him” (John 10:31). When He asked them why they were attempting to stone Him, they said, “For blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). Stoning was the penalty for blasphemy (Leviticus 24:16), and the Jews plainly accused Jesus of claiming to be God. Jesus made another statement claiming to be God when he said, “Very truly I tell you, . . . before Abraham was born, I am!” (John 8:58). The Jews, upon hearing Him, clearly understood that He was claiming preexistence and, more than that, to be Yahweh, the great “I AM” of Exodus 3:14. On this occasion, too, they tried to stone Him for blasphemy. He didn't say the precise words but he did, unequivocally, make the claim.
@SpaceLordof75
Жыл бұрын
@@xaviervelascosuarezIf you had listened for just 10 more seconds, you would have caught Ehrman’s explanation. That’s too bad.
@carsonianthegreat4672
4 ай бұрын
18:01 I’m sorry, but what Bart says here is just flatly incorrect. Mark 14:61b-64 say this: “Again the high priest asked him, ‘Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?’ ‘I am,’ said Jesus. ‘And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.’ The high priest tore his clothes. ‘Why do we need any more witnesses?’ he asked. ‘You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?’ They all condemned him as worthy of death.” This is just about the most blatant claim to divinity that an ancient Jew could make… Claiming to be the Messiah was not blasphemous. The Sanhedrin had never condemned someone of blasphemy for claiming to be the anointed one prior or after. The Old Testament describes several people as anointed. It was claiming to be the Son of Man who rides on the clouds that was considered blasphemy. This is a direct allusion to Daniel 7, where a divine figure rides on the clouds and is given heavenly authority by the Ancient of Days. “Riding on the clouds” is a near-east motif of divinity (Deuteronomy 33:26, as well as the Baal Cycle). Bart’s supposition that Christ was condemned merely for political reasons falls apart when you look at the behavior of the Sanhedrin. He was handed over to Pilate by the Jewish authorities primarily because he claimed special divine status.
@HkFinn83
2 ай бұрын
As the Professor said here, the words mean what they mean in their own context. They’ve all become merged into one to some modern people. Messiah means leader, son of man/son of god doesn’t mean simply ‘god’ etc.
@carsonianthegreat4672
Ай бұрын
@@HkFinn83 you didn’t rebut a single thing that I wrote. The words themselves can have a variety of meanings, yes, but you and Bart are ignoring their contexts. In contexts the Son of Man who rides on the clouds is divine. There is no question.
@crusifidy1291
Ай бұрын
@@carsonianthegreat4672he is saying the only reason you interpret them as such is because of Johns gospel, when you isolate Marks gospel account there is no reason to suspect the words mean such things, hope this helps!!!!
@darealkezz806
Ай бұрын
@@crusifidy1291When you isolate Marks Gospel him claiming to be the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven doesn’t change. It aligns exactly with divine prophecy from the Old Testament. ”“I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him. Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed.“ Daniel 7:13-14 NKJV BART is very disingenuous for ignoring this but I guess this is why I like watching these videos to see the arguments these guys come up with to ignore the obvious.
@asdasdwrwe32-bh3gw
Ай бұрын
@@crusifidy1291 They don't help, because the non-blasphemy of claiming to be the messiah is acknowledged.
@Randomsae
6 ай бұрын
Back in university, I took a course about the beliefs of the early church. The central question was about the consistency of their beliefs. Did they stay the same or do we see a change in what they believed? At the time, I remember looking at Bart Ehrman's views and not finding them too compelling. That probably had a lot to do with my current faith at the time and the biases of my Orthodox professor. He did give a nice balance of views on each topic we discussed in all our classes and provided a lot of opportunity for genuine discussion and disagreement, but his own passion for the topics was also impossible to ignore. Listening to this podcast now years later when my certainty in my faith has been completely shattered and rendered me entirely agnostic, I'm surprised how much I want to believe in the divinity of Jesus. I have my fair share of criticisms over what Christians claim to believe and their contradictions with reality or the way they live, but the incarnation was the most wonderful idea to me. When in contrast with Islam, I find a God who took on the human experience and shared in literal communion with us to be far more compelling than a God who is too far above us to be disgraced in such a manner. I have come to think a less fundamental view of the Bible is the only proper reading of it. People who see the God of the Old Testament as a a depiction of God's people wrestling with their understanding that becomes more and more clear and then revealed fully in The Word, that is Christ made sense....though no understanding of the Bible or Christianity has fulfilled the part of me that wonders why. Why are there so many disagreements from people genuinely seeking after Truth, not just in Christianity but in general? And with the same certainty I once had in personal experiences and beliefs, others are certain with experiences and beliefs that contradict my own. How can these disagreements be reconciled except to say God only wants some people to know Truth? But then how can you truly know that you have found it? I dont think it's possible for me to ever be sure again, but I think more and more, I am finding myself comfortable in what Dustin Kensrue of the band Thrice called "The Grey," and learning how to live with doubt in a world that demands you to be certain and so binary. It is facinating to me that people call it a relationship and yet so much of it is stories and second and third and fourthhand accounts of God. How much of God do you have to get right to be having a relationship with him? How much do you have to get right to even be "allowed" to communicate with him?
@liamthomas2014
6 ай бұрын
I was not expecting to see a Dustin quote in the comments. What a legend
@acangial1
6 ай бұрын
Super well thought out post. Thank you¡
@acangial1
6 ай бұрын
Super well thought out post. Thank you!
@andrewmays3988
6 ай бұрын
Sounds like you need to start listening to Joel Osteen to recharge your faith batteries and be filled with the HOPE that "proceeds from the Father and the Son" (Nicene Creed).😇
@Tsurumi-yj9pt
5 ай бұрын
Do you want a God who shares your human experience? really? Should he share animals their experience as well? This is not God at all, you’re such a joke you don’t even understand the idea of god
@GreeneyedApe
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate that Alex is trying to advocate for Christian reasoning for the sake of argument in the latter part of the interview, but I'm confused as to what is compelling about reasoning that the gospel stories are true by first assuming the gospel stories are true - begging the question. Nor do I understand the repeated suggestion that a story saying something quite unusual makes the story somehow more plausible or credible. So much time was spent on these ideas. (Maybe showing the weakness of this reasoning was exactly the point. I don't know.)
@Sheragust
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I though he was just steel-manning but this part got weird especially the circular reasoning part lol
@blist14ant
Жыл бұрын
Hes a historian and he has to see it from the ancients point of view .
@Larry30102
Жыл бұрын
One of the best interviews of Bart! Thanks to Alex for being a great interviewer, and Bart for sharing from his awesome knowledge base.
@zaidzaid7455
Жыл бұрын
﴿مَا المَسيحُ ابنُ مَريَمَ إِلّا رَسولٌ قَد خَلَت مِن قَبلِهِ الرُّسُلُ وَأُمُّهُ صِدّيقَةٌ كانا يَأكُلانِ الطَّعامَ انظُر كَيفَ نُبَيِّنُ لَهُمُ الآياتِ ثُمَّ انظُر أَنّى يُؤفَكونَ﴾ [المائدة: 75] (75) The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food.[277] Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. [277]- They were in need of sustenance, proving that they were creations of Allāh, not divine beings. - English Translation
@afsar_gunner5271
Жыл бұрын
Both Bart Ehrman and Alex have nothing better to do so they create these utube rubbish for views/money ! who even cares if you do believe or don't believe in God !! Because billions do believe and have faith in God ! Stop disrespecting and mocking religious people - CLOWNS 🤡
@john.premose
Жыл бұрын
I like Ehrman but Alex is a smug .....
@dani4157
Жыл бұрын
@@john.premosehe's 24 let him go
@judyswiderski2682
Жыл бұрын
@@zaidzaid7455 Prophecy that stated Jesus is man and God. Isaiah 49:, "Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people from far; The LORD hath called me frim the womb; frim the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name." [Written around 700 years befor the birth of the Christ Messiah]. "Behold the days come, saith thr Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. Jeremiah 23:5-6. Jeremiah in 626 to 586 BC. "Awake, O sword against my shepherd and against the man that is my fellow, saith the Lord, smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn my hand upon the little ones." Zeckariah 13:7. Matthew 26:31. Zechariah was written in 520-518 BC. [Before Christ] PS In order to arrive at the truth you mudt stoobreadung lying bibles. They are blasphemous words of men. Written for financial gain and to bring doubt to God's word. The POWER is in God's word. Hebrews 4:12.
@jaseboon6282
Ай бұрын
Witness: "I just saw Jesus!!" Local: "No you didn't!!.... he's dead!" Witness: "I did, I swear" Local: "Ok....what did he look like if you saw Jesus?" Witness: "He had dark hair and olive skin, long hair, a beard...................Oh hang on thats every single male isn't it?..............come to think of it..... I think it was Derek I saw, opps"
@vtwin1979
Ай бұрын
But then you have to claim 500 other people were witness to it, and then expect us to believe it because there actually is no 500 individuals with these claims written anywhere and then it was also written about 40 years later by and unknown author. Logic and reasoning tells me there’s no way you can verify it or think it’s true. Cemeteries are full of dead people, yet not one of them have dug themselves out. 😂
@Marcellodelivera
22 күн бұрын
We need the lost gospel of Derek
@henpines
9 ай бұрын
This is gold man! thank you so much both of you!
@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT
2 ай бұрын
Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
@skepticninja520
7 ай бұрын
I really enjoy Bart Ehrman but I'd like to add a little bit to the discussion. The reason the gospels exhonerate Pilate is because Pilate represents Rome and the Christians want to show the Romans that they don't blame them, they blame the priestly heirarchy of the Jews for their Messiah's death.. They didn't want to become an anti-Rome cult in Rome's eyes. You can also see this in 'The Epistle of Paul to the Romans' in which you find verses that say that you must not oppose your leader because he was selected by Jehovah. Not something you see in any of his other letters. Another possible reason for the strange story of the godly impregnation of Mary is that Jesus is named 'the son of god' in many passages and the term 'son of god' is a common colloquialism for a king or messiah of Israel (Psalms 2) - see both David and Soloman. This went from a colloquialism to literal as the pagans tried to understand the whole 'son of god' thing.
@Neon_White
4 ай бұрын
You dont think that maybe the Bible exonerates Rome because it was created by Rome?
@petrosnemardos
3 ай бұрын
@@Neon_White It was written by Jews last time I looked.
@jorgen7180
3 ай бұрын
Tell me you have never read the Bible nor Christian History without telling me that.
@jorgen7180
3 ай бұрын
@@petrosnemardos Yes, they threw Christians to the lions while they were writing the Bible. Genius, really
@JasbirSingh-mh9mg
3 ай бұрын
🎉w
@davidkatz341
3 ай бұрын
One of the most egregious mistranslation s of Isaiah 53 is how the servant suffered FOR our iniquities. That's not what the Hebrew says. It says the suffering servant suffered FROM their iniquities. The error is identifying the speaker in these passages. See the end of Isaiah 52. The kings of the nations of the earth are speaking. Israel suffered from the sins of the nations. That is why even learning some very basic Hebrew, tense, pronouns and prefix structure changes the entire understanding. Great show guys!
@sebolddaniel
3 ай бұрын
So, the New Testament is all based on an early Christian misinterpreation of Isaiah 53. I stopped believing in this stuff when I read Azimov at age 13.
@davidkatz341
3 ай бұрын
@@sebolddaniel I don't believe that at all. But I believe that the Christian exegesis is incorrect because it's just a scandalous mistranslation. Is a difference in meaning when you put a lamed before a word or a mem. Plus these are artificial chapter breaks. So who is speaking in the first part of Isaiah 53? It is the kings of the nations. Once you understand that the entirety of the verse becomes clear. The other critical issue is that Christians claim that the suffering servant is and can only be Jesus. That is just patently false. Beginning from believe it was chapter 41 as you progress towards 53 there are eight or 10 times when the text explicitly tells you who the servant is. It's Israel. Christians got the concept of a Messiah completely wrong very early on. The Messiah is a regular person, is a part of the remnant of Israel and is no different from any other descendant of the davidic line other than the fact that he will be righteous and obedient and share the knowledge of God. Isaiah is very tough reading though and it is open to a lot of misuse. By the way, I love reading Azimov as well but here I am many decades later believing again. Have a wonderful day!
@NATANOJ1
2 ай бұрын
@@davidkatz341 you freak jew, the bible wasn't written in hebrew you dumb boy
@NATANOJ1
2 ай бұрын
jesus wasn't speaking hebrew you sick jew
@NATANOJ1
2 ай бұрын
@@davidkatz341 hey you jew, the bible wasn't written in hebrew, also jesus didn't speak hebrew, what are you talking about jew.
@OldNewsIsGoodNews
Жыл бұрын
At 10:10-ish: Really appreciated the distinction between interpreting something's original meaning and re-interpreting what it might mean to you personally in a modern context.
@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT
2 ай бұрын
Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
@cassieoz1702
Жыл бұрын
For a year after she died, my dad used to see my mother, from the corner of his eye, in her armchair. He himself believed that this was a mix of habit and wishful thinking. Not that she was resurrected. So a whole stack of folks claim to have seen Jesus BUT some of those, the ones that knew him best, didnt recognise him at all
@SeekingVirtueA
Жыл бұрын
Bereavement hallucination seems the most plausible explanation if there were any visions.
@PC-vg8vn
Жыл бұрын
but that's the point. Many people claim to have caught a glimpse of their dead love one, in a crowd, in their room etc. Yet they dont go around claiming theyve come back from the dead. So there must have been something qualitatively different from what the disciples witnessed. As a minimum, Jesus' resurrection appearances can hardly be described as 'briefly glimpsed in a crowd' or 'from the corner of his eye'.
@anainesgonzalez8868
Жыл бұрын
@@PC-vg8vn or, there is political reason to say that. Which happens with other political figures as discussed in the vidoe
@cassieoz1702
Жыл бұрын
@PC-vg8vn and then there are all the cases where he was seen but NOT recognised, not even his voice and had to tell then who he was (??)
@Sheragust
Жыл бұрын
@@PC-vg8vn Many people claimed that Elvis rose from the dead
@wellingboroughredburn-yd9yk
Жыл бұрын
The point about Jesus saying your sins are forgiven and giving his disciples the authority to forgive sins was something I had never considered in that way.
@smalltimer4370
Жыл бұрын
Most of the people believing Jesus is/was GOD are not aware of such facts. That said, Jesus being the literal son of GOD does not take away from the importance of His role; _...you will die in your sins; _*_for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins"_* - John 8.24 The He of course, being the prophesied Messiah and Son of GOD sent to earth to redeem us
@izzytoons
11 ай бұрын
@@smalltimer4370 Ehrman specifically set John aside. Remember, John ignored most of the Jesus stories and focused on symbols. He also came later, after many of the stories had percolated longer. John definitely had a different agenda. He was there to elevate Jesus to Godhood.
@smalltimer4370
11 ай бұрын
@@izzytoons Having read no such thing in John, leads me to believe you have no idea what you are talking about - ie, godhood is not a term or even a defined position in scripture - YHWH's absolute nature is never presented as attainable, or even shared for that matter, in-that there is no such concept presented anywhere in scripture. If anything, the scriptures state the opposite, in that everything about GOD, is absolute and unique to Him alone.
@ThreePersonsInOne
8 ай бұрын
The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is God (John 1:1, 14), and we know that God is omniscient. So it seems strange that Jesus would say that He did not know when He would return. When the Son of God became a man, He remained fully God, but He also took on a true human nature. Jesus retained all the attributes of divinity, yet, as a man, He voluntarily restricted their use. This was part of the “self-emptying” or self-renunciation spoken of in Philippians 2:6-8. When Christ entered our world, He laid aside the privileges that had been His in heaven. Rather than stay on His throne in heaven, Jesus “made himself nothing” (as the NIV translates Philippians 2:7). When He came to earth, “he gave up his divine privileges” (NLT). He veiled His glory, and He chose to occupy the position of a servant.
@Truth-a_hard_pill
8 ай бұрын
@@ThreePersonsInOne It's quite interesting that NONE of what you believe about Jesus comes from the preaching and practice of Jesus of the Bible. If I were in your position, I'd think very seriously and honestly about this matter. No wonder you couldn't quote Jesus to back up your belief about Jesus. In fact, your belief about Jesus is the exact opposite of what Jesus preached and practiced.
@cashrjr23
Ай бұрын
" I and the Father are one.” John 10:30 "Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? John 14:9
@Philmoscowitz
Ай бұрын
Maybe John made that up for purposes of marketing and recruitment.
@gregorywhittaker8321
Ай бұрын
@@Philmoscowitzyeah just so he could end up exiled to the isle of Patmos or maybe he was recruiting for a health spa he was running there
@Mo_Hamd72
Ай бұрын
They are one in purpose. Don't count on this verse from John to be authentic. Paul is playing tricks on you.
@Philmoscowitz
Ай бұрын
@@gregorywhittaker8321 You'll have to forgive my ignorance. I'm relatively new to Bible studies. But I just learned that John the apostle didn't even write the letter known as "John" in the New Testament. In fact, none of the letters named after the apostles were written by them. They were first written down in Greek by other Christians. So, in other words, you can't take what's written in them at face value. By the late first century AD, Christians were trying to resolve various contradictions in the stories about Jesus as well as trying to recruit new followers. The letters in the New Testament are probably better understood as marketing material rather than as factual accounts.
@cashrjr23
Ай бұрын
@@Mo_Hamd72 God guarantees his Word is true...or none is true
@gailism
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for asking challenging questions even to guests with whom you mostly agree. Makes for a much deeper conversation.
@EnglishMike
Жыл бұрын
He's actually more comfortable challenging people like Ehrman with whom he agrees than he is with Christians who take the opposite viewpoint to his. He's tended to bend over backwards a little too much in those interview, probably for fear of offending them. I think with more maturity and experience he'll get better at the more adversarial interviews. Striking a balance between challenging a viewpoint and not upsetting your guest is not always easy.
@MrYelly
Жыл бұрын
@@EnglishMike A conversation becomes a whole different beast when trying to honestly and intellectually engage with what boils down to a religious, lying apologist weasle. I like these open and civil conversations instead of two pricks trying to fling sharp words across a stage. The latter can be fun at times, naturally, I just don't see how this variant would be detrimental or "lesser" to any topic discussed.
@EnglishMike
Жыл бұрын
@@MrYelly Asking challenging questions doesn't require you to be a prick about it. He could have easily pushed guests like Bishop Robert Barron to defend their position through some follow up questions without being an a-hole about it.
@newtonianromance
Жыл бұрын
Beautiful, respectful conversation and very interesting. As an atheist/agnostic I very much enjoy this kind of conversation. You dont have to come to the same conclusion to enjoy speaking and having fun with someone on a topic.
@minecraftman955
8 ай бұрын
@daniele.3361please explain
@MrShaapey
8 ай бұрын
@daniele.3361 like?
@cezarjipa72
8 ай бұрын
Of course there are. In the Bible.@daniele.3361
@Philusteen
7 ай бұрын
Love that these two connected - been following both for years.
@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT
2 ай бұрын
Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
@Philusteen
2 ай бұрын
@@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT Matthew 24 -" Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." (best fake French accent) "2000+ years later....."
@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT
2 ай бұрын
@@Philusteen Matthew 24:34 - Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Make sure to include the chapter and the verse.
@pedroappa7
29 күн бұрын
It's a very simple question to me. Jesus doesn't say "I am God" with this exact words because He is the Son of God and He wants the people to differentiate them. They have the same divine essence, but the Son in fact came in a role of obedience to save all the people and reconnect them to God the Father. Jesus in fact made several claims that He is God, having the same essence of Him. But He did that in a manner that people would believe in his divine essence but differentiate, because they are two different people with different roles. He was made of flesh, bones and blood after all, He was human and God the Father is not human. In many passages of Matthew, one of the books that Bart mentioned that He doesn't claims, He accepts worship, says about His authority in heaven and earth, promise to be continually present, puts himself in the same level of God and the Holy Spirit, Walks on water and more. The only question I ask everyone is this: Could He who is only a prophet do all this?
@joshuarichard6827
27 күн бұрын
Jesus didnt do miracles in Matthew by his own power. GOD gave Jesus the power in Matthew.
@joshuarichard6827
27 күн бұрын
Jesus is only a prophet period. Read wht you said, none of it makes sense and is circular
@edwingolob4197
25 күн бұрын
God or god being....... God named himself Jehovah and the son was named after him "Jehovah saves " !!!!
@ericwilliams626
23 күн бұрын
Jesus didn't say I am God due to politics and emotional reactions. He's not stupid.
@edwingolob4197
23 күн бұрын
@@pedroappa7 so split personality
@ZombieDragQueen
Жыл бұрын
I'm not 100% sure of what I did last week, let alone 20 years ago. Comparing shared experiences of the past with my family members there's always disagreements on details, behavior, chronology. Sometimes I remember things wrong or post-rationalise past actions to analyse and/or explain my present self even if back then perhaps it didn't play a big role or meant anything even taking into account that it may have meant and played a different role I remember today because I never shared what I felt with anyone or that I felt anything at all. So even if it's first hand testimony/account I'm taking it with a grain of salt.
@TorianTammas
Жыл бұрын
We have fan fiction stories about an Aramaic speaking dead jewish preacher. The fan fiction is produced by koine greek speakers decades later that promoted a heathen dead human turned a god with some Jewish elements.
@RodrigoCastroCh
Жыл бұрын
I recently attended my 20 year high school reunion and it was a great example of this because all of a sudden you have people correcting or adding to the memories you’ve had for all this time.
@ZombieDragQueen
11 ай бұрын
@@RodrigoCastroCh same thing will happen to say, Scientology, as it did to Christianity. A hundred years from now scientological gospels will get popular citing first hand accounts of old people who witnessed Tom Cruise on the filming set of "Mission Impossible 20+" doing all his stunts at age 93. Clearly he was blessed by Xenu (or whatever) and it wasn't just a realistic cyborg AI and CGI or lookalike. And those witnesses knew it was the real flesh and bones Tom because they were doing the catering during the production and while setting up for lunch Tom just showed up out of nowhere, took a fistful of mixed nuts from a bowl and told them with a big smile on his face: "I love what you're doing here. Nuts. Great protein source. Good for the muscles. Healthy living. I love your food." And then he shouted a few WOOOOs and YEEAAAAHs on his way to his private trailer.
@bubbag8895
9 ай бұрын
If one believes in a God, and that gods interact with humans, I can't think of a better more comprehensive explanation of a worldview that humans have devised for understanding things, than the Bible
@Imjustsayin99
9 ай бұрын
But… you positively know the origin of life or what happened with the dinosaurs supposedly 65 million years ago without anyone being there. People certainly make up narratives and science does the same. Believe what you want.
@kaiuwe7991
Жыл бұрын
Alex, have you ever considered writing a book about religion? I'd buy it.
@Ambermarie13
Жыл бұрын
I'd love that!!!
@dakotacarpenter7702
Жыл бұрын
Read Ehrman's "Jesus." I think that book fully debunks modern Christianity. Jesus was a doomsday prophet, like John before him and Paul after him. He expected the apocalypse to come during his generation, and when I didn't, writers began rewriting the narrative to say that the resurrection was metaphorical.
@أفلاكالأفكار
Жыл бұрын
Alex's arguments are basically that of a high school atheist. But unfortunately so very few people today read or even think deeply and are thus amazed by really basic and low-level arguments.
@ednotted9675
Жыл бұрын
@user-ls8ks7kv8c can you give us an example of such an argument?
@annec988
Жыл бұрын
@@أفلاكالأفكار Agree. At first when I started listening to him interview others I thought he was quite a serious, considered guy, but then when I watched more of his videos I thought the same thing.
@stevedriscoll2539
Жыл бұрын
Bart Ehrman is one of my favorites to listen to. He has devoted his life to studying the Bible and Christianity. Who better to dispute some of the common narratives/misconceptions (as in "Misquoting Jesus). To me, he is a funny, and likeable guy.
@williamhutton2126
Жыл бұрын
It is true that Jesus never said the exact words, “I am God.” He did, however, make the claim to be God in many different ways, and those who heard Him knew exactly what He was saying. For example, in John 10:30, Jesus said, “I and the Father are one.” The Jews who heard Him make that statement knew well that He was claiming to be God, as witnessed by their reaction: “His Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him” (John 10:31). When He asked them why they were attempting to stone Him, they said, “For blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). Stoning was the penalty for blasphemy (Leviticus 24:16), and the Jews plainly accused Jesus of claiming to be God. Jesus made another statement claiming to be God when he said, “Very truly I tell you, . . . before Abraham was born, I am!” (John 8:58). The Jews, upon hearing Him, clearly understood that He was claiming preexistence and, more than that, to be Yahweh, the great “I AM” of Exodus 3:14. On this occasion, too, they tried to stone Him for blasphemy. He didn't say the precise words but he did, unequivocally, make the claim. Ehrman is an example of an over-educated imbecile. He actually believes there is evidence of Jesus' existence as a person. Just don't ask him what and where that 'evidence' is.
@murph8411
Жыл бұрын
As was mentioned in this video Jesus divinity was written about in John but not explicitly in the synoptic gospels and only if you use a few parts to say it was inferred. How does saying this or believing that it’s fairly probable that Jesus existed make Ehrman an imbecile? Ehrman has said many times why he accepts that Jesus existed as far as I can discern and accepts that the writings in the bible and apocrypha are enough evidence for him to accept that this is fairly likely. Some people claim that there is more evidence for Jesus having existed than many other historical figures like Alexander the Great existing because of the books/letters in the New Testament and the limited documentary evidence for the likes of Alexander. Then again nobody believes Alexander is divine now or says you have to believe in him to have eternal life here or in heaven and we have supporting evidence like cities named after Alexander, mentions in Achaemenid documents, coins etc, It’s like someone believing that Homer may have existed. It doesn’t really matter very much to anyone if Homer is mythical or not unlike someone that people claim was/is a god and judges everyone.
@stevedriscoll2539
Жыл бұрын
@@williamhutton2126 Bill, I cannot address circular arguments, but I don't think it helps a Christian when one defaults to ad hominem attacks...at that point one has lost the argument
@williamhutton2126
Жыл бұрын
@@stevedriscoll2539 Well, simpleton, you clearly don't know how to identify either a circular argument nor a Christian nor seem to know what an ad hominem even means in terms of logic, so it stands to reason you're unequipped to address any of those things. For one, I'm not a Christian so the passive/aggressive attempt at shaming fell flat. Second, I'm directly quoting the bible, the ONLY source on the planet that exists that contains Jesus as any sort of historical figure. Third, ad hominems are very specific in logic. Insults are not ad hominems. Ad Homs require three things in unison to be fallacious (and therefore notable): 1 A valid argument from an interlocutor 2 An extraneous or irrelevant fact about one's interlocutor 3 To dismiss 1 SOLELY based on 2. Since I specifically addressed the core problem of Ehrman's fatuous argument, it was clearly not an ad hominem. And since Ehrman's own arguments was necessarily contained within the same literary device as I used to counter his, it is not circular to point out the evidence contained within that device he either intentionally or inadvertently overlooked, duncecap. And one doesn't 'lose' an argument because an argument may be laced with name calling nor even fallacies, dullard. That's not how any of this works. It's best you take a basic philosophy class or familiarize yourself with what it takes to be a logician before embarrassing yourself further.
@williamhutton2126
Жыл бұрын
@@murph8411 Oh, you're addressing me. I see. Normally one replies specifically to the person they wish to address so that their name appears in blue and sends them a message that you were, in fact, attempting to contact a specific person. _"As was mentioned in this video Jesus divinity was written about in John but not explicitly in the synoptic gospels and only if you use a few parts to say it was inferred."_ - let's just knock out this first thing to disabuse the simpletons that they know what they're talking about. ALL the synoptic gospels make claims of Jesus' divinity. John is just the one that proves Ehrman wrong about his claim that Jesus did not claim he was divine. In Mark: 1. Mark 1:1 2. Mark 1:11 3. Mark 1:24 etc Luke 24:52 Matthew 21:13 Just a few examples. _"Ehrman has said many times why he accepts that Jesus existed as far as I can discern and accepts that the writings in the bible and apocrypha are enough evidence for him to accept that this is fairly likely"_ - And that's the problem. Jesus never existed. The only place you find Jesus in a historical context, is the wholly inaccurate bible. The bible is 100% not remotely evidence of Jesus' existence. And since that is the only place where that fictional character is contained, it is not a source for one's historicity. Claiming it does, makes one an imbecile. That's like saying Harry Potter books contained Harry Potter and therefore SOMEONE named Harry Potter must have existed as the historical inspiration for Harry Potter. See how that is dumb? _"Some people claim that there is more evidence for Jesus having existed than many other historical figures like Alexander the Great existing because of the books/letters in the New Testament and the limited documentary evidence for the likes of Alexander."_ Ask those people for the evidence of those claims. You'll find your hand and mind just as empty as when you asked. I'll skip the analog nonsense at the end because you've already done enough damage to your attempt at adult discourse for one comment.
@khgdlqgsds4528
3 ай бұрын
The quran says in chapter 5 about jesus: 5:116: "And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, 'O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, "Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?"' He will say, 'Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.'" 5:117: "I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness."
@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT
2 ай бұрын
Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Matthew 11:13 - For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
@Sarmitin
2 ай бұрын
Have you read the Quran completely?
@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT
2 ай бұрын
Exodus 20:3 - Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
@aligoogle7532
Ай бұрын
It's soo disappointing the Quran wasn't mentioned in the discussion
@humhumhum-jo3wx
Ай бұрын
@@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOTit Was "given" to him? -by who?
@jimmygravitt1048
Жыл бұрын
I just want to point out that a close family member, whom I love dearly, lost her husband of several decades some years back. Now, she posts pictures of animals that visit the house claiming it's him. Why is so hard to believe something like this went on with early church leaders.
@TorianTammas
11 ай бұрын
You hit the nail on the head. We have people who ruined their lives leaving duties, jobs, family, and friends to follow a false messiah and dead preacher. They could either face reality and pick up the shards of life or they remain in the delusion that an executed criminal isn't really dead. Mourning is a complicated process and a lot of people choose delusion or are caught in delusion over reality.
@jimmygravitt1048
11 ай бұрын
@@TorianTammas I agree. I have another family member who has lost two significant others, and they turned to God. They want to believe that they will see their loved ones again. Honestly, it's hard for me to want to take that away from them. If it gives them comfort, I see no need to change their minds. It's when their beliefs start to infringe on other people's rights, like forcing all women to carry all pregnancies to term. Or forcing non-Christian kids to feel alienated by having sanctioned prayers. Or when they decide that school "chaplains" should be a thing. I use quotes because when Texas passed this law, the law did not (still does not) require any of the education that chaplains traditionally have (graduate degrees: Masters or PhDs) or the certification that they receive (professional organizations related to their chosen faith), nor did it ban these school "chaplains" from proselytizing, something that all chaplains are taught is a no-no. Chaplains are supposed to assist their subjects in their subjects' chosen religion, NOT the chaplain's chosen faith. This means chaplains in the Army assist atheist soldiers all the time. And, Jewish chaplains assist and advocate for Muslims in their organization to ensure the food they receive is halal. But with these school "chaplains", it is basically ANYONE who can pass a background check. So, what you'll get are ignorant laypeople who are enthusiastic about religion and molding the minds of the young. What could go wrong? When they start doing things that negatively impact my life, THAT is when I have to say something. Otherwise, comforting delusions can be harmless.
@TorianTammas
11 ай бұрын
@@jimmygravitt1048 Yes people are harmless when they see Elvis after his death, but in. connection to sone cult worldviwew it can become dangerous.
@NB-lv8oq
11 ай бұрын
@@TorianTammas Who are you calling a criminal?
@TorianTammas
11 ай бұрын
@@NB-lv8oq The romans executed three criminals for rebellion against Rome. Crucification was used by the Romand for rebellious slaves and rebels against Roman rule. The claim to be king or Messiah without Roman consent was a crimimal act and punished by crucification. Reality is something one is not used to when one grows up with fan fiction stories produced to market a dead preacher.
@justarshad8354
Жыл бұрын
Legendary interview! And yeah jesus as a prophet(i.e messiah) is more convincing than him claiming to be god.. Watch till the very end.. You both discuss on almost all the topics that i wanted to understand big time.. So big thanks for this high quality content.. keep the good work coming!❤
@ensenqui
Жыл бұрын
Most historians agree that Jesus existed, died, and was crucified. As for the resurrection, everyone wants to see in order to believe, but Jesus clearly said "Blessed are those who believe without having seen".🙌
@God1stProductions
Жыл бұрын
Early Church knew all of these things and preserved all of it for future generations and they still knew and belived and went to their death willingly becuse they knew Jesus was God. Then this guys comes along 2000 years later…😂🤦♂️ naaw bro
@believeroflight9888
Жыл бұрын
That is because you are a Muslim. you are just like Christians seeing what you want to .
@theselectivecentrist8146
Жыл бұрын
Jesus was not a prophet, and did not claim one-sided like Muhammad did, Jesus is Lord and SAVIOR
@adgdrgar
Жыл бұрын
@@ensenqui "Blessed are those who believe without having seen". Translation - "Trust me Bro".
@jseaman256
Жыл бұрын
the discussion and topics were excellent. The reasons and justifications given by Bart Ehrman of course are terrific. My goal is to someday meet Dr. Bart Ehrman.
@xaviervelascosuarez
Жыл бұрын
To say that the doctrine of the Trinity teaches that the three persons are three separate "beings" is an astonishing rookie error for a scholar of Ehrman's fame. Any Catholic who goes to mass on Sundays, weekly recites in the Creed (formulated in Nicaea ad 325, and tweaked in Constantinople ad 381): "I believe in One Lord Jesus Christ (...) *One in being with the Father* ...." I also had a high regard for Bart Ehrman, but this interview was highly disappointing, not only for the above mentioned reason, but also because of his rabid skepticism that comes across as very much ad hoc. For example, he affirms that Jesus was condemned to death by Pilates for calling himself the King of the Jews, which he can only know from the Gospels he much distrusts when they say that he had previously condemned to death by the Sanhedrin previously for calling himself God. Seems very convenient to pick and choose _from the same source_ whatever best fits his narrative.
@jseaman256
Жыл бұрын
@@xaviervelascosuarez the doctrine of the Trinity is 3 persons in one Being. They all have different names, thus the Person but are of one essence, thus the Being
@garlandjones7709
9 ай бұрын
You need scholars other than Ehrman to go off. I'm not recommending not listening to him. Actually I'd keep him just so later you can always have a reminder of what a good bukksjitter looks like.
@sebolddaniel
3 ай бұрын
@@xaviervelascosuarez Well said
@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT
2 ай бұрын
.Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
@TheWitness-fx4xq
4 ай бұрын
Unitarians would find it hard to believe that Jesus is God because of the things that He said that seems to contradict with the ONE God belief system, but for Trinitarians everything that He said just fits perfectly of being the second person in the Holy Trinity. Contrary to what others say, Trinitarians do believed that there is only ONE God but this God is comprised of 3 distinct personalities or persons. It all boils down to the "WHAT" (being or nature) and the "WHO" (person). For humans: 1 WHAT --> human 1 WHO --> e.g. John For God: 1 WHAT --> God 3 WHO(s) --> Father, Son and Holy Spirit (with distinct personalities or persons, able to communicate and interact on their own). Peace and Blessings!
@ABARANOWSKISKI
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this interview! I love Bart Ehrman, I'm a huge fan of his. I've read almost all his books. They changed my life. Bart is like a logic machine!
@rsr789
Жыл бұрын
Logic, but no reason. So he makes arguments which are internally logically correct, but are unreasonable in demonstrable reality.
@moestv8011
Жыл бұрын
Are you christian? May i ask you if jesus is God or just a prophet ( Q from a muslim, no intention for hate )
@ABARANOWSKISKI
Жыл бұрын
@@moestv8011 I'm a non-believer.
@donhue4546
Жыл бұрын
@@ABARANOWSKISKI YOUR A NON BELIEVER YET THINK BART IS GOOD,LMFAO,YOU SHOULD BE A MUSLIM
@donhue4546
Жыл бұрын
@@moestv8011 YOU CAN ANSWER IF JESUS WAS GOD BY THE QURAN,BY USING THE LOGIC,NOW CAN GOD DIE,NO,GOD CANT DIE,CAN HUMANS DIE,YES,SO,IS JESUS DEAD,NO (ALLAH)CLAIMED TO SAVE HIM AND TOOK HIM TO JENAH,SO HE STILL LIVES,SO JESUS MUST BE GOD,AS HES HUMAN AND NOT DEAD,BUT JESUS DID DIE,AS HE WAS BORN OF HUMAN FLESH,PROVING GOD CAN DIE,AND GOD CAN BE BORN,ALL OF WHICH,MUSLIMS DENY ,BUT SAY ALLAH CAN DO SANY THING HE WILLS,BUT ALLAH CAN NOT DIE OR BE BORN.....NOW WHY WOULD ALLAH CREATE JESUS FROM A WOMAN,WHEN HE CREATED ADAM FROM CLAY,THINK ABOUT IT....ALSO GOD CAN BECOME A HUMAN,BUT NO HUMAN CAN BE GOD,HENCE JESUS WAS HUMAN FOR 33YRS TILL HE DIED,THEN ROSE TYO BE GOD AGAIN...NOW CAN YOU SHOW PROOF OF ALLAH B4R THE QURAN ???
@diegog1853
Жыл бұрын
I really admire the ability of Alex to steel man an argument. He is truly putting his all into defending the resurrection claims, almost seems like he believes at times and might potentially annoy his own guest with his push back. And on the other hand yeah... I really dislike the opposite, when people like william lane craig strawman scholars and historians by saying that they overwhelmingly agree with some historical "fact" they absolutely do not agree with. I've seen christians argue that pretty much everything that appears in the gospel is historical fact aside from resurrection, and at that point when you accept the whole narrative arround it as fact, then believing the few missing pieces as correct doesn't seem so far fetched.
@chitzkoi
Жыл бұрын
Even at this age, Ehrman is so much better in dialogue with someone rather than over the phone or zoom. It's great to see him getting out and about to sit down with people - he sounds like he hasn't aged a day compared to some of the other stuff out there
@afsar_gunner5271
Жыл бұрын
Both Bart Ehrman and Alex have nothing better to do so they create these utube rubbish for views/money ! who even cares if you do believe or don't believe in God !! Because billions do believe and have faith in God ! Stop disrespecting and mocking religious people - CLOWNS 🤡
@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT
2 ай бұрын
.Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
@IchHalteDichInDerDunkelheit
8 күн бұрын
"God became Man so that Man might one day become God” They don't teach you that on Sundays huh? I wonder why? 🤔
@asorelle
Жыл бұрын
Great job Alex. I love your new content and look forward to every episode!
@zaidzaid7455
Жыл бұрын
﴿مَا المَسيحُ ابنُ مَريَمَ إِلّا رَسولٌ قَد خَلَت مِن قَبلِهِ الرُّسُلُ وَأُمُّهُ صِدّيقَةٌ كانا يَأكُلانِ الطَّعامَ انظُر كَيفَ نُبَيِّنُ لَهُمُ الآياتِ ثُمَّ انظُر أَنّى يُؤفَكونَ﴾ [المائدة: 75] (75) The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food.[277] Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. [277]- They were in need of sustenance, proving that they were creations of Allāh, not divine beings. - English Translation
@asorelle
Жыл бұрын
@@zaidzaid7455 Do you crazy zealot types really think that trolling in comments is actually doing anything? It's not even relative to my comment! I'm seriously laughing here.
@afsar_gunner5271
Жыл бұрын
Both Bart Ehrman and Alex have nothing better to do so they create these utube rubbish for views/money ! who even cares if you do believe or don't believe in God !! Because billions do believe and have faith in God ! Stop disrespecting and mocking religious people - CLOWNS 🤡
@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT
2 ай бұрын
Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
@hahahatall09
Жыл бұрын
Omg the beef between Bart Ehrman and William Lane Craig is PALPABLE. Would love to see them debate today!
@jwatson181
Жыл бұрын
It would be a destruction again.
@RashidMBey
Жыл бұрын
One is a scholar, the other an apologist. It wouldn't feel like an ideological debate since Bart Ehrman would correct WLC when his perspective contradicts or fails to comport with the data and would likely nod "okay 👍🏽" to all else.
@jwatson181
Жыл бұрын
@@RashidMBey Bart is a textual critic. Don't get it twisted. Wlc has published way more philosophical and historical papers. I understand your bias but don't look foolish making easily debunked claims.
@Agryphos
Жыл бұрын
@@jwatson181 that is incorrect. Bart has more formal training in historical practices than textual criticism. WLC depends on strawmanning and misrepresentation to portray Ehrman as being unaware of historical methods
@jwatson181
Жыл бұрын
@Agryphos my friend. This is established fact. Bart makes insane claimed in popular literature and interviews that he walks back in his academic papers. Are you claiming the majority of Barts experience is not textual criticism? Where did he publish philosophical models for historical epistemology? Lol don't make things up
@lazykbys
Жыл бұрын
When Christians say the martyrs wouldn't have died for a lie, I'm always tempted to ask what they think of suicide bombers.
@jbeiler55
11 ай бұрын
The common reply I've seen is that the disciples were firsthand eyewitnesses so they would be in a place to actually know if it were true or not. More akin to someone helping film a UFO hoax and then being willing to die for a lie they helped create. Where the suicide bombers sincerely believe but don't have first hand experience to actually know if it's true or not.
@cc3775
10 ай бұрын
They wouldn’t die For a lie they knew to be a lie.
@josipag2185
10 ай бұрын
Your mockery tells us how privileged illeducated and unbrilliant you are. In reality bombers who kill the infidels you put in the line people who basically didn't want to gave state ownership of theit lives- and I as agnostic - can really appreciate the beauty and maryrism of those people who decided that their rights universal rights to be free and not to be in hate with other humans, are not negotiable and are not given to us or granted by any ruler, leader, Empire, or state and are given to us by invisible force and are the same for us all.
@Panaghhiaa
9 ай бұрын
You’re comparing terrorists who inflict pain and suffering on population with Saints who were tortured in a the most inhumane manner???? For preaching the words of God?? Are you okay? Do you have any idea of how much faith in God you need to have to handle the pain of being skinned alive?? Tf 💀💀
@bkoch1
9 ай бұрын
First of all, today’s suicide bombers are not witnesses to Muhammed’s life and claims, but the apostles were witnesses to the life, death and resurrection of Jesus. If the research we are uncovering is true about Muhammed, anyone witnessing his delusions and perversion would realize he is a fraud.
@kishorilalkishoreda5719
2 ай бұрын
There are so many NDE videos that people see Jesus is sitting next to the throne of God. And yet Christians keep saying that Jesus is God. Nonetheless. Even in Islam Jesus is called a prophet or messenger of the God.
@tanzilmuslehudd9403
Ай бұрын
The problem is ndes it is different for everyone, but yes, you are right
@anthonyrowland9072
Ай бұрын
Christianity wasn't always Trinitarian. It always seemed like more "The Catholics made it up" like with a lot of stuff. The story of Jesus and the prostitute was added in the 700s. You can't get caught up in dogma...
@bonbondurjdr6553
Ай бұрын
If Jesus isn't God made man to die for our sins then our faith is vain and no amount of acting and actions can make us pure in the eyes of God.
@kishorilalkishoreda5719
Ай бұрын
@@bonbondurjdr6553 God is logical. One man cannot die for someone else’s sins. And in that case, Hitler can enjoy his afterlife ? Specially, that he has killed over 6 million Jews. Because Jesus died for his sins as well ?
@bonbondurjdr6553
Ай бұрын
@@kishorilalkishoreda5719 if that man is perfect, and only God is perfect, then yes he can totally take on your sins.
@montollo1098
9 ай бұрын
I've read a few of Dr. Ehrman's books and I have to admit I do enjoy his work. He shines a light on many biblical subjects that I often heard when I was child and wonderful about their authenticity.
@JohnnyLang-dw8ll
6 ай бұрын
Jesus is In all of the scriptures John 5:39 (KJV) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. Jesus's birth Micah 5 2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. Matthew 2:5 (KJV) And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, Jesus's suffering Psalm 22 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. 18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. 19 But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me. 20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog. 21 Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns Jesus arriving In Jerusalem Zechariah 9:9 (KJV) Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he [is] just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass. Matthew 21:5 (KJV) 21:5Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass. John 12:14-15 (KJV) 12:14And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,15Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt. Psalm 22 17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. 18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. 19 But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me. 20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog. 21 Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns ************************ Psalm 118:22 (KJV) The stone [which] the builders refused is become the head [stone] of the corner. Matthew 21:42 (KJV) Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Psalm 34:20 (KJV) He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken. John 19:36 (KJV) For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. Judas: Psalm 41:9 (KJV) Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up [his] heel against me. Psalm 55 12 For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him: 13 But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance. 14 We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company Zec 11 12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. 13 ¶ And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD Matthew 26: 14 ¶ Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests, 15 And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver. 16 And from that time he sought opportunity to betray him Crucifixion Psalm 22:18 (KJV) They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. Luke 23:34 (KJV) Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. Psalm 22:16 (KJV) For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. Psalm 22:1 (KJV) [[To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.]] My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? [why art thou so] far from helping me, [and from] the words of my roaring? Mark 15:34 (KJV) And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Matthew 26:54 (KJV) But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be? Matthew 26:56 (KJV) But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled. Mark 14:49 (KJV) I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and ye took me not: but the scriptures must be fulfilled. Luke 24:27 (KJV) And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. Luke 24:32 (KJV) And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures? Luke 24:45 (KJV) Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, John 5:39 (KJV) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. John 5 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words Acts 2 29 ¶ Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 ¶ For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 ¶ Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ Acts 18:28 (KJV) For he mightily convinced the Jews, [and that] publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ. Acts 28:23 (KJV) And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into [his] lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and [out of] the prophets, from morning till evening. Romans 1:2 (KJV) (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) Romans 16:26 (KJV) But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: 1 Corinthians 15:3 (KJV) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 1 Corinthians 15:4 (KJV) And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Matthew 2:23 (KJV) And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene. Matthew 5:17 (KJV) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Matthew 11:13 (KJV) For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
@cHackz18
8 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed this one. Bart has a new fan. Love the scholarly treatment of the gospels and the surrounding evidence for the claims within.
@georgeflowers3730
Жыл бұрын
One of the best conversations with Dr. Ehrman, I have watched. Great work, Alex! I recommend all of Dr. Ehrman's books to everybody; you should read them. I even have his university textbook "The Bible: A Historical and Literary Introduction" His last book "Armageddon" is excellent, and it explains many of our current problems with Christian fundamentalists. I only have a comment on what Dr. Ehrman says at the end, which is how Scholars, Academics, and Scientists think about people in general. They believe people are basically good and then don't have ill intentions. Our reality is that there are a lot of people with various degrees of sociopathy in the world, and many of them are drawn to positions of power, political and religious. This is true now and more so in the first century CE. They have no problem with lying. Of course, I can't say everybody is lying, but there is a good probability that somebody is.
@beastshawnee
Жыл бұрын
Having grown up around a covert narcissist psychopath father who basically ran a small morphing spiritual cult-like group-yeah. exactly. He taught love and acceptance and all feel good cleansing spirituality YET was the most violently abusive controlling person to his kids. I think I’m the only person who ever realized and saw the whole psychopathy of my Dad. My mom was snowed by his personality. He didn’t abuse her and she was ok to not protect us. Sometimes she triggered him purposefully to get us to not “bother” her. He tried to actually murder me multiple times. His eyes went dark like a psycho-killer! I don’t trust anyone much -especially around religion. I know a few are sincere but most at the top are NOT! We like to assume people are kind and well meaning if WE ARE! But it is NOT true. People lie and manipulate as easy as they breathe.
@clbrown6451
17 күн бұрын
Alex was sooooo calm the whole time, while Freddy was clearly fidgety
@jerrybuckley2049
Жыл бұрын
this was a great interview... it's refreshing to see such intelligent and honest answers on these topics
@Shalom7end
Жыл бұрын
It's not intelligence it's blaspheme.
@moestv8011
Жыл бұрын
Are you christian? May i ask you if jesus is God or just a prophet ( Q from a muslim, no intention for hate )
@moestv8011
Жыл бұрын
@Alpha-Angeland why is it false?
@donhue4546
Жыл бұрын
@@moestv8011 GOD CAME TO EARTH AND PREACHED HIS OWN WORK THROUGH JESUS,THIS PROVES GOD NEEDED NO ONE OR A PARTNER,AS WHERE ALLAH SENT THE QURAN TO MUHAMMAD,WHO SINNED,BUT JESUS NEVER SINNED,
@moestv8011
Жыл бұрын
@@donhue4546 God sends it via jesus...? If I have a package and I give it to you and you deliver it, did i deliver it or you?. How can God deliver it via someone else and at the same time be the deliverer. Christians are in doubt as stated in tbe quran. Christians need to understand that prophet abraham was already on the right path... believing and bowing and asking forgiveness to One god. Not a human... you are bekievung in idoltery brother
@joejohnson6327
Жыл бұрын
Ehrman is the only person who doesn't make my eyes glaze over when they talk about Jeezus.
@piratessalyx7871
Жыл бұрын
Then you don’t know the true Jesus!
@eesev2017
6 ай бұрын
@@piratessalyx7871But Ehrman does :)
@AbdulAbdul-wo8vl
Жыл бұрын
Bart Ehrman is the most celebrated scholar on the issue. I wish him all best.
@PedroFigueiredo-q9x
4 ай бұрын
Excellent discussion with an eminent , intelligent expert on the Bible. Congratulations to Alex for being factual and avoiding extreme (foolish) utterings as he did on other interviews (Dawkins). Alex at his best.
@dboulos7
Жыл бұрын
As a Christian, I found this interview to be extremely beneficial as far as taking note of certain facts, details, opinions and perceptions of certain stories in the Bible. In large, I don't agree with the majority of Dr. Ehrman's conclusions, but I appreciate his knowledge when it comes to the facts themselves. Alex was extremely poised, articulate and astute in questioning the issues at hand. In short, typically, I watch Bart Ehrman's videos to gain knowledge about the Bible, so that I'm more accurate and precise when using proof text to defend my Christian beliefs.
@adrianseanheidmann4559
10 ай бұрын
"I don't agree with the majority of Dr. Ehrman's conclusions" Which ones for example?
@dboulos7
10 ай бұрын
The ones that lead to his assertion that the Scripture are unreliable @@adrianseanheidmann4559
@lilyoyo77
9 ай бұрын
That jesus is not god
@ian2armannduccio
9 ай бұрын
"proof". Interesting proposition, when we're usually talking about "faith".
@endtimeslips4660
9 ай бұрын
@@lilyoyo77 have an eye but blind yet claim to be all knowing and all wisdom pffftt. Matthew 12: 1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. 2 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!” 8 For the Son of Man is Lord [b]even of the Sabbath.” 14 Then the Pharisees went out and plotted against Him, how they might destroy Him. LOL denied this verse and that mean you are a old fart HAHAHA Jesus not claim to be GOD then what is this in the verse 8? κύριος kyrios HAHAHAHAHAHA isn't that the greek mean Jesus is GOD? P R I C K A T H E I S T I S L I K E S T U P I D M U H A M M A D A N
@nedsantos1415
Жыл бұрын
I have said to my Christian friends that whether Jesus was God or not, whether he was resurrected from the dead or not, whether he would come again or not, and whether he was the Messiah or not does not matter to me. What matters to me is what he taught, especially "love one another."
@reaganlecroy7773
Жыл бұрын
How does his resurrection not matter? Has anyone else ever been resurrected?
@nedsantos1415
Жыл бұрын
Have you researched other traditions? Many have..maybe not amplified by political power, but there have been records. In China, they have actual records of mortals ascending into the sky in front of thousands of people, and those mortals did not even die in the first place. So, spare me of the provincial view of Jesus' resurrection. Also, why so fearful of death so much so that you need someone to return from the dead to tell you it's OK to move on?
@ahmedvawda1282
Жыл бұрын
@@reaganlecroy7773when Jesus was supposedly resurrected the bible said that all the dead people crept out of their graves and were walking in the streets of Jerusalem. Go figure 😅
@TorianTammas
Жыл бұрын
@@reaganlecroy7773Yes tons of them Gercukes became a god after his death. Ceasar and most roman emperors became God's after there death. It was a pretty common troupe to be a god in life or after your life.
@izzytoons
11 ай бұрын
@nedsnatos: exactly. Yet so many Christians fail to do that. In fact, they go out of their way to find people to hate.
@bouzoukiman5000
Жыл бұрын
You have to realize these were Greeks trying to convince Greeks that jesus was god and all the magical and miraculous stories that became more magical as time went on were true. Alex. I think you use the word, facts, too often. Love your show
@carsonianthegreat4672
4 ай бұрын
30:30 Alex, just so you are aware, that isn’t quite an accurate depiction of Trinitarianism. Trinitarianism does say that if you see the Son you see the Father, because all energies of the Son are energies of the Father. This is outlined in the Athanasian Creed. Properly understood, the verse gives no problems for Trinitarianism as defined in traditional Christianity
@aodhfyn2429
Жыл бұрын
I agree. I think Jesus was making some claims to a kind of divinity - but he seems to have been claiming this divine nature would also be shared by his followers in the kingdom to come, and the actual nature of that divinity is far more complicated than the trinitarian model promoted by Paul and adopted by the Nicene Counsel. (Although I also believe Paul was promoting a different kind of trinitarian model than that believed by Christians today.)
@aodhfyn2429
Жыл бұрын
@@charlesblackburn1195 Paul insisted on the the divinity of Christ. I'd have to reread his books to assure myself he talked about the Holy Spirit, but I remember him doing so. There is no formalized doctrine of the Trinity in the Bible, but Paul is the most heavily used for its foundation.
@aodhfyn2429
Жыл бұрын
@@charlesblackburn1195 Phil. 2: verses 9-11, 1st Corinthians 12: verse 4-6, Titus 2: verse 13, etc. There are lots of little places, there are no clear callouts.
@mikesmythe3423
Жыл бұрын
He never made ANY claim to divinity!!! Never.
@aodhfyn2429
Жыл бұрын
@@mikesmythe3423 not directly. Maybe not at all if you don't believe the gospels.
@mikesmythe3423
Жыл бұрын
@aodhfyn2429 who wrote the Gospels, my friend? The first recorded writing that anyone, scholars, the clergy or self professed experts agree on, is at least 80 years, minimum, after Jesus. The disciples, all of them, had long since gone, and we know for a fact that it was NO ONE that had either listened or heard, Jesus or his disciples preach. There was NO ONE to corroborate that what was written was even true. I don't want to get into a long-winded dissertation as to the validity of the New Testament. Suffice to say that almost half of it, if not more, are teachings of Paul. Not Jesus. In fact, Paul directly negates several of Jesus's teachings. Two quick examples are the idea of Original Sin. Jesus NEVER taught that or suggested that. He outright spoke of how a man's sins were his own and could not be inherited by his family. 2nd and I mention this to bring a smile to your face, is Circumcision. Jesus ordered us to do so. Paul said no. We listened to Paul, who I believe is the BIGGEST anti christ there ever was, and broke tradition with both the Jews and Muslims, who do circumcise their men, keeping in line with the teachings of pretty much all the men of God sent with the Word from Him. Anyhow, when you have time, friend, look up the Red Letter Bible and compare it to what you read now. Also, look up the council of Nicea. Try to find a historical account of it, rather than a religious one, so as not to read a biased view. Anyhow. I wish you the best. I hope that you receive the guidance from God and find the truth. Peace my friend
@AkoSiFrance
Жыл бұрын
2 bright people in an awesome room talking about worthy stuff. I love it.
@donadams7943
Жыл бұрын
I am currently watching a 12 hour video course on "The Historical Jesus" given by Dr. Ehrman. It is wonderful.
@kylecampbell1532
Жыл бұрын
@fanabudrogh9241 If this has helped anyone believe in the trinity, then they must be retarded
@kcc-karenschroniccorner9432
Жыл бұрын
Have you checked out the work by Richard Carrier on this topic? It’s excellent and well researched.
@Mike-wr7om
3 ай бұрын
John Dominic Crossan, who is certainly no slouch as an historical Jesus scholar and a scholar of the first century Mediterranean world, does not believe that Jesus preached the imminent coming of the kingdom as an event that puts an end to the world as we know it. Rather, he believes that Jesus preached that the kingdom is already here and it requires our cooperation here and now. The apocalyptic tone of a coming cataclysm comes from a later time period, from those living through the traumatic events of the destruction of Jerusalem in the year 70, which certainly seemed like a cataclysmic apocalyptic event. That tone is retrojected into Jesus' much more nuanced teaching, which, in contrast to John the Baptist, focused on a present kingdom to be cooperated with and celebrated, rather than a cataclysmic reckoning to come.
@RenoTKC
Жыл бұрын
Despite not believing in God or Jesus I think these episodes are incredibly interesting. The deep mythology and history of these stories is just incredible
@alisterrebelo9013
Жыл бұрын
How deep does it have to go before you can call it 'true' ?
@RenoTKC
Жыл бұрын
@@alisterrebelo9013 what? The greek pantheon has a great deep mythology too, that holds no inherit value when it comes to judging its validity
@alisterrebelo9013
Жыл бұрын
@@RenoTKC Instead of answering my question you resort to asking a question, that's pretty rude. I'll chase you into you rabbit warren as you tap dance away from my question. You could take any and all of the heros and gods of the Greek pantheon and make a list of characteristics shared by them e.g. they were inevitable, inexplicable, incredible, instructive, immortal, intercessors, etc. Not a single one embodies all of these characteristics. But Jesus did. So you're right, the Greek pantheon is deep, but my claim is Jesus is deeper. And my ultimate claim is that the depth of Jesus is so deep and applicable across multiple domains such as time and cross-cultures, that you have to consider the possibility that it has crossed a threshold to the realm of objectivity. For example, if you tried to live as Jesus did, such as love God with all your heart, mind and soul and love your neighbour as you love yourself, would you and your society improve? Would this improvement not show up in any age or culture? If the person embodied more of Jesus, humility, serving others, don't lie, speak the truth, act with compassion, forgive others, self-control, are they and society going to get better or worse? And seeing as none of the 12 athiests I've challenged have ever been able to prove to me that objective morality can be derived without invoking some Christian statement (e.g. every person is created in the image of God), one has to be open to the divinity of Jesus. Now I'm happy for you to be #13 if you'd like, so give it your best shot.
@RenoTKC
Жыл бұрын
@@alisterrebelo9013 slow down there buckaroo. I didn't ask a question did i? I agree that the philosophy of Jesus as depicted in the new testament is wonderful and most of these teachings i try to follow in my life, such as loving everyone, even your enemies, and being forgiving and just. I don't believe in an objective morality in terms of something higher, more spiritual and I don't think we need that. Of course there are ways to infer objective morality without a higher power, such as when Rationality Rules did it by using biological imperatives as a basis for morality, i.e the first "ought" would be derived from an is. But I don't see how that matters as to why Jesus is the son of god or a divine prophet? Fact is there are plenty of fictional characters whose virtues are commendable and who you could point to as universal role models, depending on your cultural background and preconceived standards. You might want to live your life like Hercules or Superman. There are some characters who have been written as completely perfect in the context of their time and culture. A spartan wouldn't have seen Jesus as the perfect role model but Leonidas. A greek warrior wouldn't strive to be all forgiving and just but would strive to be witty, brave and relentless like Odysseus. Virtues and standards change all the time, but from your or even my current perspective Jesus embodies what we should all strive to be. I guess what I'm tryna say here is that being a good lad and supposedly preaching nice things don't make Jesus a prophet, let alone the son of god
@musicalwarrior9079
Жыл бұрын
@@alisterrebelo9013 I think the fact the you assume the need for objective morality is already something I don’t fully agree with. I think there’s ways that societies can determine the moral values that they choose to follow without needing a religion or deity to give it to them, and so I don’t think there needs to be a purely “object morality” that id argue for. I think the original commenter gave an example of someone who did create a form of objective morality based on evolutionary and naturalistic reasoning and I’ll check that out but either way, choosing to act according to positive moral values doesn’t require religion, and it definitely doesn’t prove the truth of a religion either.
@thegrunbeld6876
Жыл бұрын
Man, I wish we have honest scholar like Bart Ehrman for Islam and the Qur'an.
@englishteacher360
Жыл бұрын
Well it makes you think. They paid 2 million to a guy to find contradictions in Quran. None were found.
@izzytoons
11 ай бұрын
@@englishteacher360 Interesting, if true. I always thought there might be more Christians if the Church fathers had simply hired a good editor.
@josipag2185
10 ай бұрын
@@izzytoons 😂😂
@erbconsult
9 ай бұрын
Bahahaha. Utter nonsense.
@brianmincher716
3 ай бұрын
There’s a pretty good reason for that, if they want to live anyhow.
@charlesoliver2535
2 ай бұрын
Luke is aware of the stories about their escape to Egypt. Egypt was a mystical place of learning. To quell claims of sorcery it would be better to not have it in the narrative.
@xit1254
Жыл бұрын
I have a close relative who is a Jehovah's Witness. She once breathlessly told me of some miracle that had happened because another JW had told her all about it. I did what I always do when I'm being preached to, I nodded my head and tried to change the subject.
@daanmollema6366
Жыл бұрын
"I did what i always do, I didnt take them seriously; avoided listening and tried to move the conversation away". Sounds like a great method for Christians to get around atheistic critique!
@danm8004
Жыл бұрын
@@1998kid1did the Watchtower think sending you on a Joe Rogan crash course would make them more trendy?
@1998kid1
Жыл бұрын
@@danm8004 huh?
@danm8004
Жыл бұрын
@@1998kid1 you are trying to spread your cult by aligning with the JRE on other topics, it's pretty transparent.
@1998kid1
Жыл бұрын
@@danm8004 not accurate calling jw a cult , just speaking about my life’s experiences here. Please be respectful
@angryyoungman66
Жыл бұрын
If the lie is old then its believable People long ago were witnessing miracles like having breakfast , people are walking on water , coming back from death splitting seas splitting moons
@wizdomministries5720
Жыл бұрын
Eeeerm....not exactly a proper conclusion. Miracles weren't common at all...and very rare.
@humanitech
Жыл бұрын
Lets be honest here...many humans continue to join, invent, create, peddle, build and promote all sorts of different and divisive (but similarly structured ) master and minion human pyramid schemes, groups, bow down or be damned juju cults, winner take all businesses, regimes, fantasies and empires....all to attract, convince, fool or force others to join, bow dow, and become subordinate minion ...who serve, support, defend and of course enrich their respective masters, bosses, leaders or rulers - and whatever (positive or negative) realities and agendas their masters inflict on them - whilst claiming to be righteous of course.
@harrywinner7403
Жыл бұрын
Miracles seem to happen less and less the more we have technology to record them (books, telegraph, phone, …)
@wizdomministries5720
Жыл бұрын
@@JD-wu5pf Ur only proving my point....neither does it debunk my point at all
@wizdomministries5720
Жыл бұрын
@@JD-wu5pf I just gave u the time span of major miracles in the bible. How did you miss that? Unless ur didn't read my entire comment. Given the time span within scripture, it's not irrational to expect to not see miracles within our own lifetimes.
@PrometheanRising
Жыл бұрын
I do love that Bart gets to go around and low-key trash WLC for basically making stuff up about him.
@Rick_Alden
5 ай бұрын
I'm finally hearing a sane discussion about the identity of our Lord Jesus, the Son of God! The dogma of the Trinity belongs to the Dark Ages and should be discarded. This would also help to mitigate the divide with the other two Abrahamic religions; Islam and Judaism.
@easybandzofficial6456
5 ай бұрын
Is God omnipotent? Omnipresent? Omniscient? If you say yes, then I'd have to ask you where you find the words in the Bible? If you can't show me, I then have to question your hypocrisy when it comes to the term Trinity. Modern Rabbinical Judaism does not represent all of Jewish/ Israelite history.
@Guy777man
5 ай бұрын
L take, Rick. Trinity may not explicitly be required to believe in to be saved, but John 8:24 clearly says: I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins. Jesus said if you deny He is God, you will go to Hell
@MrBernardthecow
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic interview. Alex put aside his personal beliefs to challenge, to the best of his ability, the claims put before him.
@jimmymelonseed4068
11 ай бұрын
The author of John wrote in response to a particular heresy that doubted Jesus’s divinity. That’s why he wrote the stories emphasizing that point. Tim Staples gave a very good talk on this recently.
@SmalltimR
11 ай бұрын
Divinity; yes. Equal with GOD, or GOD Himself; no
@johnh2326
10 ай бұрын
We’ll, we have passages in John that like the video mentions: where Jesus clearly implies that he is indeed God. And these points are later emphasized in revelations that where Jesus does call himself the Alpha and omega. Implying that which further implies he is God.
@smalltimer4370
10 ай бұрын
@@johnh2326 1. There are no records of GOD implying He is GOD in all of Bible history - but moreso, where every single declaration of His identity are direct and without question 2. Jesus would never contradict Himself by stating no man had ever seen GOD, then implying He was GOD 3. Jesus had a GOD to whom He attributed all things, and who He went-on to call His GOD and our GOD 4. Jesus also revealed that everything He has; names, titles, authority, power, rulership, and-on and so-forth, was given to Him by His Father 5. Jesus revealed that He is the first and the last to die - that is to say, the last to die, under the New covenant, and the first to be brought back to life again, under the New covenant That being said, and while it is quite popular for people to argue that Jesus is either equal-to or GOD Himself, it remains that must do so at the expense of vast portions of scripture so-as to avoid the conflicts and contradictions that comes from such a view. Whereas those who honour the entirety of scripture, come to know that the truth of matters is that Jesus is exactly who claimed to be while on earth - that is to say, the Son of GOD and prophesied Messiah.
@zaidkapadia6824
7 ай бұрын
So he apparently just made up stuff as Jesus's sayings because some people hurt his feelings and said Jesus wasn't God? Dang, blind faith in the crossdogs running since the 1st century itself
@zaidkapadia6824
7 ай бұрын
@@johnh2326 Name me the author of revelations and then maybe anyone will pay any attention and give any credit to whatever it says.
@haze1123
Жыл бұрын
This has been my favorite interview with Bart, and I've heard many previous hours. Fantastic.
@amazingislam6997
6 ай бұрын
That's been answered in Quran, surah Al Maidah (5):116 "And ˹on Judgement Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, You would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen."
@sebolddaniel
3 ай бұрын
That is really groovy. I will have to look at that when I get around to reading it. But, why did that stupid centurion in Mark think Jesus was SOG? He was a fricking Roman. Where did he get that from?
@cathylapierre2383
2 ай бұрын
@@sebolddanielhopefully thinking lol😅
@sebolddaniel
2 ай бұрын
@@cathylapierre2383 I am all for having a goddess alongside Jorge. But Mary thought her son was insane
@EDMRemakesFL
2 ай бұрын
@@sebolddaniel Probably because of the early Christian Church creeds in 1 Corinthians 15. It is extremely likely, philologically speaking, that this creed started within the first three years post crucifixion. We call this creed a "Kerygma" which just means proclamation. Bart himself actually places this creed before Paul's Epistles in his book "How Jesus Became God". Gerd Lüdemann, NT Wright, and James Dunn all place much more rigid dates than Bart does and they all fall extremely close to the crucifixion. Larry Hurtado goes into this a bit as well saying that if those traditions showed up within weeks of the crucifixion it would not be contradictory to anything else they see, and in fact would be perfectly congruent with their dating of Church history. Whether (John) Mark or even associates of Mark thought Jesus was the Son of God doesn't really matter, and it isn't likely that he was Roman. If you want the answer on where he got this idea then there's a clear chain of information you can follow. Eusebius quotes Papias in "Ecclesiastical History" (Book 3, Chapter 39) stating that Mark was a translator and follower of Peter. It's very hard to get away from the fact that many people were worshipping Jesus Christ as a deity extremely early. There's obviously debate regarding the dating of NT writings, especially the gospels, which really hinges on arguments from silence (in particular the omission of the temple destruction prophecy being fulfilled, the lack of Paul's death in Acts, and many missing important Church fathers from the late 1st and early 2nd century) but regardless we know that the term Christ was still used extraordinarily early. Nero's persecution of Christians in 64 AD within Rome really shows how fast it spread.
@youtubecommentsectiondebates
2 ай бұрын
This would be valid except for the fact Islam is not the way and Muhammed was a man, not a prophet. What prophet of God would lead armies and order the massacre and r*pe of people? And that's not even the full list of Muhammed's deeds. Sounds very much like a local strong man and not at all like a holy prophet.
@santiagohul6043
Жыл бұрын
As a believer in Christ, the research of Dr. Bart is like a breath of fresh air. I still believe in most of the teachings of Christ and I find that all that Mr. Bart is doing, is reminding all of us to always take with a grain of salt what we read in ALL sacred texts and try to look at the overall picture, rather than getting caught up in the small details which can turn people towards intolerance, hate and blind fanatism. In my perspective, I truely believe in most of the teachings in the gospels of Marc, Matthew and Luke. These gospels are more likely to contain things that Jesus might have actually said and did. And their Jesus, is a completely different Jesus than from the gospel "attributed to John" which was written 80 years after the death of Jesus, took its sources from oral stories that had been in circulation for decades and was written in Greek by a highly educated Greek speaking Individual (According to the bible, John, like many of the disciples was an illiterate peasant who spoke only Arameic). Please note this book, like many of the other gospel's was written anonymously and then "attributed" to John 100-200 years later. Was Jesus God? I am not sure. He did have the divine awaken in him and praised be his name. But according to Marc, Luke and Matthew he was the son of God who came to Earth to enlighten us and guide us towards God and ignite the kingdom of heaven on earth by bringing unity, consciousness and love. That's the Jesus that I love and the Savior that I respect. I also believe Jesus is still alive today saving lives and he is a great way to connect to God. But I don't think he is the ONLY way like John says and many of his fanatics scream. John's Gospel has spread a lot of blind fanatism, intolerance, hate and turn people into extremists dealing only in "absolutes". These are very dangerous beliefs that have gotten people killed in the past and turn some Christian into aggressive and judgmental activism towards other people religions and sacred beliefs. Just take a look on how the native Americans way of life was destroyed and many were killed because they were labeled as "evil" or "'commuting with deamons" during their sacred ceremonies. In central America, thousand of historical text where burned for 3 days and 3 nights by priest and his soldies because they were considered "evil witchcraft". This is why the work of Dr. Barth is so important. To stop on their tracks those aggressive fanatics who take every word in the Bible as literal and turn into intolerance towards other religions and sacred beliefs and other people's life styles. Those fanatics claims that everything written in the bible is the word of God, well science says otherwise; it was the word of men, and the bible distorted during the transmission process (in some parts a little, in some parts alot). Therefore, we gotta ask ourselves (using love as compass) did Jesus really say EXACTLY that ? And since we know it was likely majorly altered through the transmission process, what was the original teaching, if any can be reconciled at all? If you spot intolerance, hate or fear, then most likely it wasn't what Jesus said, but rarher what men said and put on Jesus' lips. And I say that our utilmate test with Jesus, will be this: will we be able to read through the fog and spot his real messages (based on love, unity, community, love of God, respect) or be fooled by the devils hand that entered through the human scribes while writing everything down during the transmission process (messages of hate, fear, intolerance, absolutes, extremism, fanatism). Sending love and light!
@mwola
Жыл бұрын
If yur confused by men with only tittles of academia what if Prince of the CONVENANT appears??? Understand Holy SCRIPTURE that we see God through HIS SON for US not to die!! God HAS no SON...... That seen is HIM... same seen by prophet ISAIAH 6:5 Same seen by 70 NOBLES of Israel when HE descended upon Holy Mount Sinai..book of EXODUS 24:10-11. Same seen by prophet EZEKIEL 1:26 Then Prophet MICAH seals this MESSIAH IS GOD...Read MICAH 5:2 The ONE from.EVERLASTING ...whose GOINGS are from OLD ..will be born in EPHRATA... Then yu say Saint JOHN lied to write to the Confused PLAINLY THAT JESUS CHRIST IS YOUR GOD...PERIOD.
@santiagohul6043
Жыл бұрын
@@mwola didn't you listen to the course? The scripture of John wasn't a lie, it is a story that has changed over time during the transmission process: this is a normal aspect of the transmission process of storytelling. Stories are embellished and modified, sometimes by accident, and sometimes on purpose by the person re-telling the story. Stories are always modified through the transmission process, sometimes a little and sometimes a lot. Just look at the real time news we get today and how we still get multiple versions. In the case of the new testament (like many other sacred scriptures), it was altered so much during the transmission process that it has gotten to the point where it is almost impossible to know for ACCURATELY what the original events actually were. And one thing we can know for sure, is that it is almost impossible to claim with certainly that Jesus even said many of those things, because scientifically and historically speaking, it is more likely this was all put on his lips by other people. Neither Marc, Luke and Matthew call Jesus God. Why would they forget to mention such an important detail? Unless John's Gospel, which took place 80 years after the death of Jesus, picked up oral stories that had been in circulation for decades and had been modified already to be more embellished. Anyway, I believe that for Jesus it was more important to follow his teachings and messages, rather than just sitting in a church believing that he is God and making no effort to put his teachings into action and be better human beings. I am quite happy with my religious beliefs, so no thanks: I don't want to join your religion and neither do I agree with your interpretation of the bible.
@IgshaanBarnes-pk5uo
Жыл бұрын
So what exactly makes Jesus the son of God? Because someone somewhere long ago said it? Be careful what you believe for God gave us a brain to think for yourself.
@mwola
Жыл бұрын
@IgshaanBarnes-understand that God HAS no SON..And here yur Theology Academia guys float though many years in harvard.. When you hear Christians say SON of God ...understand is God seen Himself. Have you not read when King Nebuchadnezzar threw meshach..even those three in furnace of fire..did not he see a fourth person like SON OF GOD? Read book of prophet DANIEL 3:25
@crossingtolife9179
Жыл бұрын
Just sharing! 1 Cor. 4:20 and 1 Cor 2:5 And people will try to search, learn something, know something and interpret to the best of their knowledge and scholarly study… yet… without the Spirit of God working in them… not one of them will hit the mark and hit the truth! It will be forever a parable to them! A puzzle!! Matthew 13:13; Luke 8:10. And Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God! Romans 10:17 Amazing truth!! Praying for them all!! Shalom!!
@vwabi
Жыл бұрын
I honestly find this view of the Bible so much more interesting than how Christian pastors/apologists often treat it. From what I've seen, they often just seem to pick whatever verse applies best, or even use verses from different authors without considering the implications. By taking the approach Ehrman takes, contrasting different gospels with each other and considering what the authors knew and meant, I feel like you actually learn way more about the actual meaning of the bible, instead of projecting your own meaning on it.
@TorianTammas
Жыл бұрын
The fan fiction stories are a ventriloquism dummy for the preacher.
@ghouliesgarage3922
Жыл бұрын
Ehrman is biased towards atheism.
@musicmasterplayer4532
Жыл бұрын
You may be comparing apples with oranges, preachers are not scholars.
@Jarige2
10 ай бұрын
Preachers are often well taught though. Most churches require a study of theology, which is the combination of philosophy, history, textual research methods, learning proper exegesis etc. They take what they learn from scholars and use that information to learn about the Bible. So yes, they take into account what Bart says here. It's just that what Bart says is not really convincing.
@MichaelTooman
10 ай бұрын
@@Jarige2 Upton Sinclair said, “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
@φαρμακεία-πρωταρχικός
Жыл бұрын
Every time I listen to Bart I learn something new. This was very well done. Hats off to you Alex & Bart.🎩
@xaviervelascosuarez
Жыл бұрын
To say that the doctrine of the Trinity teaches that the three persons are three separate "beings" is an astonishing rookie error for a scholar of Ehrman's fame. Any Catholic who goes to mass on Sundays, weekly recites in the Creed (formulated in Nicaea ad 325, and tweaked in Constantinople ad 381): "I believe in One Lord Jesus Christ (...) *One in being with the Father* ...." I also had a high regard for Bart Ehrman, but this interview was highly disappointing, not only for the above mentioned reason, but also because of his rabid skepticism that comes across as very much ad hoc. For example, he affirms that Jesus was condemned to death by Pilates for calling himself the King of the Jews, which he can only know from the Gospels he much distrusts when they say that he had previously condemned to death by the Sanhedrin previously for calling himself God. Seems very convenient to pick and choose _from the same source_ whatever best fits his narrative.
@φαρμακεία-πρωταρχικός
Жыл бұрын
@@xaviervelascosuarez Xavier, you do know Historians outside of the Gospels mention the Crucifixion by Pilate outside the Gospels right? Both Tacitus and Josephus. I think Pliny the Younger as well. So no, he’s not “cherry picking” to fit his narrative.
@hubertagamasu6283
Жыл бұрын
@@xaviervelascosuarez Thank God there's at least one smart person seeing through this deception of Ehrmann.
@hubertagamasu6283
Жыл бұрын
@@φαρμακεία-πρωταρχικός In this same video, Ehrman questions why Paul, an early writer, did not quote Jesus saying "I am God' (even though Paul explicitly calls Jesus God!). However, when it is pointed out to him that Paul, an early source, speaks about the resurrection, he claims we cannot believe that. Appealing to Paul to show Jesus never said he was God, and throwing Paul under the bus when it contradicts him on resurrection. That's worse than cherry-picking.
@kennethbrownsher1264
Жыл бұрын
@@xaviervelascosuarez the Johanine Comma. Is fake. The Church knew it.
@youtubecommentsectiondebates
2 ай бұрын
The Jews exerted a lot of pressure on Pilot to execute Jesus. That needs to be carefully factored in when talking about Jesus' trial and Pilot's decision to crucify him. Ehrman also places too much emphasis on the lack of written accounts. Unfortunately, most people were illiterate and paper-like material don't easily survive long periods of time. The important distinction is that a lack of written accounts shouldn't necessarily be understood to mean something did not happen; during that time, most people couldn't write and much of what was written was lost to time.
@ghostagent3552
Жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who feels that Alex is feeling terrified in a way when Ehrman asked how Alex could be sure that people did see the resurrected Jesus?
@TorianTammas
Жыл бұрын
@@NSOcarthFan fiction stories produced in koine greej about an Aramaic speaking dead preacher.
@MossyMozart
Жыл бұрын
@ghostagent3552 - Dr Ehrman, judging by body language, is the more relaxed of the two. Alex is much more tense.
@petretepner8027
3 ай бұрын
@@MossyMozart That's just how Alex is. It doesn't make any difference who he's talking to.
@davidsfuntimes9899
Жыл бұрын
Insightful discussion. Civil and attentive by both men. Bart is truly a much needed thorn,not because his views are correct, rather his good objections that make an interesting thought.
@emcnair2
Жыл бұрын
Listening to the part of the discussion focusing on the scriptural account of seeing Jesus after his death. I have a simple modern example of people believing they saw a person after his death -Elvis! There were dozens of accounts claiming that they saw Elvis after his death. And this is in modern times, where his death is thoroughly documented. People often see and believe what they want to see and believe. Especially when they are grieving, and they are in need of comfort and hope.
@CaniHaveTheRedPill
Жыл бұрын
By that standard you might as well be an atheist. Belief is faith.
@emcnair2
Жыл бұрын
@@CaniHaveTheRedPill Faith and historical fact are two different things. This part of the discussion was focused on historical accuracy. I wasn't questioning an individual's faith or the value of having faith. Alex seemed to be struggling with the concept of why the biblical record wasn't sufficient to be regarded as a factual account. He also didn't seem to grasp Bart's position of not believing that people were lying while at the same time stating that the biblical account wasn't enough to provide concrete historical evidence of the resurrection. Accepting Jesus' resurrection and Godhood is, as you said, an act of faith. If there was enough evidence for it to be a historical fact, there would be no need for you to have faith.
@CaniHaveTheRedPill
Жыл бұрын
@@humanistreformation you’re simply putting your faith in whoever is telling you the facts. science facts are always changing.
@emcnair2
Жыл бұрын
I believe that science and religion can co-exist. I also believe that science evolves as we gather better information. So too, religious perspectives should evolve as we gather better information. The conflict comes when we try to treat sacred texts as factual documents. Most sacred texts were written hundreds, if not thousands of years ago. If you compared scientific writing of that same period, you would find them equally dated. The larger question is, why aren’t we updating religious perspectives in the same way we update scientific perspectives? And regarding someone's comment that Jesus is a lair -Jesus never wrote anything. The earliest gospels were written between 70 - 140 AD. This means that they were not written by first-hand accounts. So accuracy is not the standard by which they should be measured. To me, the focus of spiritual pursuits should be; how can I live a more fulfilled life? How can I be a person? How can I live in better harmony with others? How can I help make my world a better place for others? How do I find hope during challenging times? To me, whether or not Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected or that he is the actual son of God is irrelevant. The more profound question is, can I find meaning and hope in these sacred texts? I don't restrict my spiritual pursuits to just one sacred text. I read a variety of sources. I am more fascinated by the consistency of belief and not the unique exceptions of individual religions.
@anainesgonzalez8868
Жыл бұрын
I am very interested in the concept of “consistency of belief” would you say it could be an argument to not oppose religion? Would you said that we can ask ourselves the questions “how to be a person?” “How to live in harmony with others” and answer them without religion?
@nomacaiu
3 ай бұрын
Matthew 23:24, Jesus said: I am sending you prophets, wise man and scribes, some of them you'll kill... He hasn't quoted the Father during many paragraphs before saying this. So, I believe He talks about Himself, Jesus. And, who is to send prophets, wise men and scribes?
@peterhoare3754
7 ай бұрын
39:41 Alex's mic has morphed into an enormous Phoenician beard.
@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT
2 ай бұрын
Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
@nickydaviesnsdpharms3084
Жыл бұрын
This was certainly one of the most informative conversations iv'e heard on the matters spoke about. brilliant. I just wish more Christians i know would watch it, but they don't unfortunately.
@frankiemoore9127
9 ай бұрын
Watched it and I’m still a Christian
@a5cent
8 ай бұрын
@@frankiemoore9127I doubt the intent is to deconstruct people's Christian faith. I think it's about taking a more reasoned and critical view of Christan history. For example, I don't think anyone can accept these views and still be a fundamentalist Christan.
@BlowsTube
8 ай бұрын
@@a5centExactly this. Ehrman is frustrated how Christian’s treat reading the Bible as a Sunday school lesson rather the critically reading it to truly understand their faith and challenge themselves.
@stephenbrennwald4927
7 ай бұрын
And I would say that you're still a Christian out of desire to believe, not because of any logical reasoning or scientific basis. And you are perfectly entitled to base your belief on emotions....@@frankiemoore9127
@nickydaviesnsdpharms3084
2 ай бұрын
@@a5cent absolutely, I was just pointing out how I would like it if the people I know who are Christians, would watch this type of materiel. They don't ever put themselves in front of opposing views. This is why I make certain that I do, it's important, so not to live in an echo chamber
@aguitarcalledchutzpah
Жыл бұрын
When you read the bible, you see that Jesus often doesnt say things directly but often speaks in parables and answers questions with further questions. People often dont respond well to direct statements or truths. They are often more receptive to it when they come to the intended conclusion after thinking about it for some time.
@CowboyToucan
Жыл бұрын
@@LukasOfTheLight It’s not likely that eternal punishment was a concept that the historical Jesus would have preached. The concept of hell was not prevalent in 1st century Judaism. It is a later concept from Christian philosophers that has been largely imported onto the teachings of Jesus. In fact, Bart Ehrman has a book on the topic called “Heaven and Hell.”
@aguitarcalledchutzpah
Жыл бұрын
@@LukasOfTheLight And do you see getting to the point as something that works?
@bike4aday
Жыл бұрын
@@LukasOfTheLight "just get to the point" - This goes against a core principle of good teaching which is to start from the student's perspective, not your own. If you speak from your own perspective then it'll be like talking to the wind. It also undermines the challenges Jesus faced in correcting already existing misunderstandings which went counter to many strongly held beliefs, even so much that he was crucified for it. What he did was really skillful and that was to find something they already understood, which many times was personal, and made an analogy so they could get something tangible to explore and ponder on their own. Some of his lessons can take a whole lifetime to really understand and appreciate, but if he can leave people with something, then they'll continue to learn through contemplation and experience. In order to fully understand something it takes time, experience, and as many different perspectives on the topic as possible. That is not something you can give to people with a moment and a few words. I have a lot of respect for teachers that can teach well because it's a skill and an art on it's own.
@SundayMatinee
Жыл бұрын
@@bike4aday You shall have no other God's before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven images. ... Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. ... Remember the Sabbath day and keep it Holy. ... Honor your father and mother. ... Thou shalt not kill. ... Thou shalt not commit adultery. ... Thou shalt not steal. God spoke plainly and directly to his followers. And they obeyed (or suffered the consequences). I am Jesus, son of God. Believe in me and you shall be saved and enter the kingdom of Heaven. Refuse me and you shall be damned and cast into Hell to burn forever. You have been taught. You are welcome.
@hubertagamasu6283
Жыл бұрын
@@LukasOfTheLight He did, He called himself the I AM (Ehrmann even agrees this is a name of God!). He claims to be the first and the last. He claims to be the one who resurrects the dead. Any logical person knows these are things only God can do and say. Your Bart Agrees, he only that he does not like John! But even if Jesus did not say "I am God" do the authors not call him God? Including the earliest such as Mark and Paul? Are you saying that you won't believe Alexander was king until you see a quote from him saying "I am king"? Please, don't be seduced by Ehrman's (il)logic.
@calbry1
14 күн бұрын
Romans 1:20-25 is all that comes to mind as I listen to Bart
@mathiasmas
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting! You can see clearly that Alex O'Connor is at his best here as a strong theology-interviewer. Very good work!
@hobou1901
9 ай бұрын
Thank goodness! I’m a Christian and I’m so tired of people telling me I can’t be a Christian unless I accept Jesus as God. He said he was the son of God.
@SmalltimR
9 ай бұрын
You are correct!
@MohamedAli-uu1qf
9 ай бұрын
Son as the way I may have or you maybe have a son? U do know without the divinity of Christ and thr trinity the whole of Christianity falls apart right ?. Those are beautifully blended aspects of paganism which is the trinity, Christmas, Santa etc u have emperor Augustine to blame around 300 CE or paul around 50ce a guy who wrote most of the New Testament but never met Jesus even him never dared with the trinity business came must later 300 CE council of nacea turkey emperor Augustine!!!
@hobou1901
9 ай бұрын
@@MohamedAli-uu1qf dogma. I think Christianity has changed since Jesus time. I have no idea about the holy trinity because that is a religious ritual and Jesus never crossed himself. The Nicene Creed established Jesus as God which to me was a political decision. God is omnipotent and not confined to a person. Let’s concentrate on what Jesus did. He healed. He loved. He tried to improve humanity. He was the way shower. And he showed we can do it too without snakes and laying hands on people.
@hobou1901
6 ай бұрын
I agree. The Nicean Creed was a political decision.
@Pumpkin28-001
6 ай бұрын
Are you from a modern Christian group ?
@andrewchambers5884
Жыл бұрын
I just listened to Bart and Alex discussing. It was most interesting. It seems to me that the New Testament sources are so widespread in the world that it will take more that than arguments about mistranslations, apparent contradictions and inaccurate story-telling to dispel the idea that a resurrection actually took place. It would really need to be proven to untrue. In my opinion a resurrection remains one explanation for happened.
@walshamite
9 ай бұрын
Given that a claim of the resurrection, a revivification of a demonstrably dead body, is counter to logic, science and experience, it is incumbent on those who assert the veracity of the resurrection to demonstrate the reliability of the event, rather than to say it might, maybe, perhaps have happened.
@rvllctt871
9 ай бұрын
The world rests on Turtles and it's Turtles all the way down is one explanation for what keeps the Earth floating in space.
@andrewchambers5884
8 ай бұрын
It seems to me that those who were the eye witnesses and followers of Jesus and knew him are likely to be the best interpreters of his actions and speeches. We have to be careful of how scholars interpret him centuries later. The original eye witnesses have the advantage of subjective experience which is crucial to knowing a person.
@Mac_an_Mheiriceanaigh
8 ай бұрын
@@andrewchambers5884 Hi Andrew, my understanding is that the consensus among historians is that none of the gospels or any part of the New Testament was written by an eyewitness. Jesus and his disciples spoke Aramaic and lived in rural Israel, but the writers of the gospels and epistles were all educated Greek writers. As far as I am aware there is no writing that survives from anyone that actually knew Jesus in person (for example a friend or family members, Pontius Pilate or another Roman authority, a Jewish religious leader, etc.).
@andrewchambers5884
8 ай бұрын
@@Mac_an_MheiriceanaighThe writers of the gospels do seem to have had access to the eye witnesses and that seems to be the basis of their writings. In so far as I know there was no contemporary literature to contradict their accounts
@Quranicverses-e4l
5 ай бұрын
21:30 Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe? FORTHER MORE 21:33 It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course. 51:47 And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander. 36:38 And the sun runs [on course] toward its stopping point. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing. 39:5 He created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions): He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night: He has subjected the sun and the moon (to His law): Each one follows a course for a time appointed. Is not He the Exalted in Power - He Who forgives again and again? 78:7 And the mountains as stakes? 16:15 And He has cast into the earth firmly set mountains, lest it shift with you, and [made] rivers and roads, that you may be guided, THERE IS 1100 VERSES DESCRIBE THE CREATION AND THE PEURPOS OF IT AND JUST U NEED TO READ AND DESCOVER. THERE IS NOTHING CAN COME BY CHANCE AS ALLAH GIVE YOU CHALENG TO DISAPROVE THE QURAN AND HE SAID 4:82 Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction. ALSO ONTHERE CHALENG FOR YOU ALLAH SAID 2:23 And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah, if you should be truthful. AND THIS IS SURAH IF YOU CAN GIVE SOMTHING SIMILLAR TO THIS ( 112:1 Say, "He is Allah, [who is] One,112:2 Allah, the Eternal Refuge.112:3 He neither begets nor is born,112:4 Nor is there to Him any equivalent.")
@thenerktwins
Жыл бұрын
Great conversation by two people who actually know the source material. Love you both
@guyincognito8440
Жыл бұрын
Knowing the source material isn't necessary. It's not of any use. It would be like trying to determine if Achilles existed by combing through the Iliad. It's all nonsense, and it doesn't matter if Jesus thought of himself as God or not, but we have no way whatsoever of making that determination. Certainly the sources available are of absolutely no use for determining if Jesus even existed - despite what Ehrman tries to tell us.
@thenerktwins
Жыл бұрын
@@guyincognito8440 Yikes. You don't sound like a fun person to chat with. Bye now
@moestv8011
Жыл бұрын
Are you christian? May i ask you if jesus is God or just a prophet ( Q from a muslim, no intention for hate )
@thenerktwins
Жыл бұрын
@@moestv8011 I'm a non believer / atheist / humanist
@moestv8011
Жыл бұрын
@@thenerktwins Is there a chance in your opinion to be a a higher power out there or is everyhting chemisrty, physics and coincidances?
@andrew.schaeffer4032
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for setting this up! IDK how Alex stays so composed all the time - amazing. I researched the legends of the apostle's puported deaths once. It was really hard to find the information on them. Not even sure I got good sources. At any rate, pretty sure the accounts were far later than the events. One was killed if I remember for stifling a ruler's sexual life (similar to the story of John the Baptist). Another basically volunteered to be put to death even though they could have left the area without recanting! But again, not sure of my sources
@DrZog69
Жыл бұрын
If Jebus had a direct connection with God, wouldn't it have been very useful to write down some of this shit himself?
@EnglishMike
Жыл бұрын
Or he could just create a new streaming service and tell us directly 24/7 what's really up...
@annestephens9631
19 күн бұрын
I still return to this conversation periodically as a touchstone for what can be reliably asserted about "Jesus of Nazareth" before passing through a theological event horizon. Thank you 👍
@ranawaqasahmad3982
11 ай бұрын
Being a Muslim this interview is very enlightening
@saltMagic
Ай бұрын
Yes very, A jew discussing Jesus is very illuminating.
@LuDel95
Ай бұрын
"I am the way, the truth and the life. No one shall come to the Father except through me"- Jesus Christ.
@ReggieMiller-w1f
Ай бұрын
Don't let it be. Bart hates Islam more then Christianity. He has videos slamming islam
@ReggieMiller-w1f
Ай бұрын
@@LuDel95Oh if you only knew. Watch his videos about the book of John the least reliable of the four gospels. Written hundreds of years later
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