So, clearly some of you (not all) have a hard time listening (when it comes to my breakdown of Lori's SA at the hands of Shane Walsh.). I'm going to add this fourth clarification, because clearly three clarifications in the video was not enough. Lori **is not** directly responsible for her SA. Despite her abusive and unethical treatment of Shane, prior to said assault, what happened to her **was not** justified. Shane is the one who is ultimately morally culpable for his actions. In the same light, it's not unreasonable to argue that she increased the likelihood that she would be victimized by treating someone else like total s***. It's not crazy to assert that she could've prevented that particular issue, given she somewhat incited the behavior in the same way a bully might incite a victim to go postal at a school. In fact, this is one of the reasons why people and experts want to reduce bullying. It leads not only to self-deletion but also to kids playing real life CoD at school - where their classmates are the OpFor. Bullying is clearly wrong but it can also incite even worse behavior. Be that as it may, the moral blame is ultimately on the attacker (Shane in the case of this video). We can understand this to be certainly true while also acknowledging that people expose themselves to varying levels of risk -> and it's objectively true to state that if they get victimized, they are not morally culpable for it while also simultaneously being "guilty" of behaviors that may have increased their risk of being victimized in the first place. Acknowledging this doesn't absolve the attacker from their guilt; it doesn't justify their retaliation. It merely teaches people to be better at risk management - and, in a sense, helps to save people from harm. Don't be a dick to people and your chances of harm are reduced. If you avoid knowingly dating serial killers, you might just avoid being killed by said serial killer. Bad people exist in the world. It would behoove anyone to learn how to minimize being victimized by these people. Being a victim doesn't magically absolve you of your responsibilities that you have to yourself. But, to clarify for the fifth time now, this does not mean the attacker is innocent or that they don't deserve proper punishment for their clearly unethical and or illegal actions. It does not mean that the victim deserves their harm. This isn't some dichotomy where we have to pick between these two propositions; they can both be true at the same time. And if i had to put a figure to it, a number out of 5, I'd say the attacker's culpability is a 5 and the victim (depending on the circumstances) is never more than a 0.1. Are we clear now? That's five clarifications. 👍
@vampluvrgirl
3 ай бұрын
if u had to clarify 5 times then maybe u didn’t say it in a clear way in the vid it’s fine to admit your choice of words was failing lol instead of being mad at us reacting to what u said
@sepitai
3 ай бұрын
@@vampluvrgirl learn to listen better
@vampluvrgirl
3 ай бұрын
@@sepitai or make a better video 🤗
@TheRealCaptainGold
3 ай бұрын
@@vampluvrgirl 04:34 Plain English. 08:10 Plain English. 10:09 Plain English. Perhaps you can enlighten me on how those words weren’t clear enough. Humble me. 🤗 But seriously. Listen better. This pinned comment isn’t for the majority lol it’s for the special minority with comprehension issues.
@natansoto3673
3 ай бұрын
5 paragraphs and Lori still sucks. She's somewhere down there with Skylar from Breaking Bad no matter how much you defend her.
@SoThatGuyJohn
3 ай бұрын
The biggest thing about Lori that annoyed me was how she walked around acting like The First Lady, which Carol called her as a compliment. Andrea was right during that kitchen argument. Lori walked around taking everything for granted, playing housewife and laying rules for everyone. Her main responsibility as a mother should’ve been protecting Carl but she instead kept losing sight of him and always asked others to take care of him while she caused unnecessary drama amongst the group.
@samanthaM7119
3 ай бұрын
Yes! Lori did barely anything and was constantly mad at people and I was like “ma’am your 10-13 year old son is more useful than you!”
@joonbug1587
3 ай бұрын
Omg I was just about to say. I’m rewatching rn and her whole argument with Andrea basically telling her she needs to get back in the kitchen and help the women?? In an apocalypse?? When fighters are most definitely needed like hello???
@asinine-
Ай бұрын
@@joonbug1587 to be fair, Lori was right that Andrea did jack shit up on that RV. and the one time she actually shoots her gun 1. It was Daryl and 2. she misses
@dwnkaomwn3953
Ай бұрын
@@asinine- Andrea was making herself useful at least, which is more than I can say for Lori who actually crashed one of their vehicles. Plus, in Andrea's defense, she thought she was shooting at a walker given the way Daryl was walking, and Andrea couldn't tell from that scope it was him.
@asinine-
Ай бұрын
@dwnkaomwn3953 even if Daryl was a walker, using a gun to kill just one wouldn't be efficient. It's a waste of ammo and it'd only make a lot of noise and could have drawn out more
@courtlydougan1278
3 ай бұрын
Michonne>>>> Lori. Michonne believed Rick could’ve been dead for over 6 years but also never gave up on him and eventually found him Lori would never
@MonkeyBoy-sd9vc
3 ай бұрын
Michonne is black though🤮
@savvywavvy2934
3 ай бұрын
michonne left her children during the whisper war bro😭 Shane took advantage of Lori as you can tell in the CDC
@IIIISai
3 ай бұрын
@@savvywavvy2934 womp womp
@aakashbaliga1881
2 ай бұрын
Well she did have that weird thing going with ezekiel. But that was after years, lori folded almost immediately
@leanio8740
2 ай бұрын
@@aakashbaliga1881that Ezekiel thing doesn't even matter imo. Its been years and the moment she caught wind of rick being alive she ran. The only thing I didn't like was leaving while her kids were facing such an existential threat
@CP4521
3 ай бұрын
Lori went from being in love with shane, to making him stay away from her family, to forcing shane to stay when he was about to leave, to "my son and i are not your problem anymore", to " I'm sorry shane"
@deadpooldan9862
3 ай бұрын
Lori wasn’t in love with Shane, he was a distraction and a good thing in a world gone to hell, had Rick been there Lori wouldn’t have looked at Shane for comfort
@britneyfanboy4835
3 ай бұрын
The fact she would go back and forth telling Shane not to leave then being like “get away from me” 🤦
@angela.8454
3 ай бұрын
don’t leave the group but stay the fuck away from my family, not a hard thing to
@aprilbennett4161
3 ай бұрын
@@angela.8454 Except she also wanted Rick to "do something about" Shane, meaning she wanted to have them at each other's throat, guaranteeing that there's no way for those two to peacefully coexist in the same group. The best thing for Shane would be if he had left the group, giving him a proper chance to move on.
@la214la
3 ай бұрын
@@aprilbennett4161Exactly! And when Shane said he was leaving, Lori should have let him go but she doesn’t do that. She convinces him to stay and tells him she had feelings for him too! And this is in S2! No one has time for Lori and her manipulative games!
@deadpooldan9862
3 ай бұрын
@@la214lashe does have feelings for him, familial feelings. Shane is like a brother to Rick and an uncle to Carl, Shane was the one who interpreted that as romantic when it clearly isn’t since Rick is there. Shane was family and she didn’t want her family to be broken or separated, so she told him to stay but to stay away from her
@la214la
3 ай бұрын
@@deadpooldan9862 I disagree. She had romantic feelings for Shane. That’s SWC’s interpretation too, and she would know best! 🤷🏾♀️
@Cosmic_Espeon
3 ай бұрын
>Hates that Rick doesn’t fight back >Doesn’t grieve her husband’s supposed death >Gets with her husbands best friend >Has unprotected sex in a zombie apocalypse >Pushes Shane away when Rick returns without hearing him out >Pawns her kid off to everyone >Doesn’t want him to shoot a gun in a literal zombie apocalypse >Tells Shane her family is “off limits” to him >Continues to treat Carl like a child in a world where he could die at any moment >Tells Shane to stay, giving him mixed signals >Tells Glenn to get her a pregnancy test >Finds out she’s pregnant, tells no one >Asks Glenn for abortion pills >This side quest almost gets Maggie killed >Takes the pills and then vomits them out >Doesn’t say shit to Rick, he finds out because of the pills >Tells him Shane is dangerous >Yells at Andrea because she wants to protect the group and not do traditional house wife things >Is completely ungrateful of the fact her husband returned from the dead while everyone else piles on their losses >Takes Maggie’s car (probably without asking idk) >Crashes into the _only thing_ on a goddamn empty road >Almost dies, and ends up losing a valuable vehicle >When Rick tells her he killed Shane, she treats him like a monster >Yells at Carl for clearing the infirmary at the prison (kinda justified) >Even when she’s dead she continues to haunt the damn show with her ghostly presence hell, yes, she deserves the hate. She is a terrible person, a terrible mother and a horrible wife. It’s one thing to act the way she does but who the hell has unprotected sex in an apocalypse where there are no meds or hospitals? In the woods where they could be jumped at any time? I probably missed a lot of other things, but still, Lori can rot in the depths of hell.
@paradoxworkshop4659
3 ай бұрын
>Spells her name wrong
@Cosmic_Espeon
3 ай бұрын
@@paradoxworkshop4659 uh her name isn’t spelled wrong? What do you even mean?
@paradoxworkshop4659
3 ай бұрын
@@Cosmic_Espeon she Spells her name Lori
@Cosmic_Espeon
3 ай бұрын
@@paradoxworkshop4659 yeah I know that, where did I misspell her name? Because I only say her name once and I spelled it right.
@paradoxworkshop4659
3 ай бұрын
@@Cosmic_Espeon She, in the show, spells it Lori...which is the dumb hick version of Laurie, which is another reason for the hate...
@Fuegoaries
3 ай бұрын
Nah she taking all this hate from the gates of hell 😂
@propaganda_man358
3 ай бұрын
I didn’t have that big of a problem with Lori until her reaction when she found out Rick had to kill Shane
@nikolaremesova4218
Ай бұрын
That was a normal reaction tbh, every person is different
@Eclipse-1-z40
Ай бұрын
@@nikolaremesova4218 No...? When SPECIFICALLY she warned him about being mentally unstable. Dude, stop the copium. It's embarrassing.
@EvilEjXD
3 ай бұрын
We could’ve got 3-4 more seasons outta Shane if it wasn’t for her.
@emmypaasio9669
3 ай бұрын
Heh.. Yeah.. Loris fault the writers of the show decided to kill off Shane, a moment shaping Rick and makes him a man of the apocalypse
@aakashbaliga1881
2 ай бұрын
Shane probably could’ve made it to the negan war, and probably die there trying to kill him
@Crisopeia
2 ай бұрын
Thank God for that
@rogermaddox6134
2 ай бұрын
@@emmypaasio9669that was one of the few things that followed the comics.
@mochi1854
Ай бұрын
@@emmypaasio9669I saw thatttt, wasn't it like in the newer season where Rick hallucinates Shane and Shane implied that Rick had to know the gravity of their new world and had the capability to live in it, using himself as a some sort of "life lesson"?
@Jonchua1
Ай бұрын
Bad mother, bad wife, and a terrible survivor that created danger.
@cripplingclaustrophobia
3 ай бұрын
If you love someone you look for them, you don't assume they're gone.
@brendonleonard1733
3 ай бұрын
14:02 I like the video so far but I disagree with this take. Consent to sex is also consent to the RISK of getting pregnant. Engaging in risky behavior can yield outcomes that are less than ideal (no different than playing the lottery for example). Both Lori AND Shane are responsible for the pregnancy that she has as BOTH consensual participants engaged in the behavior. There are ways to negate or minimize the risk of risky behavior, but that is ultimately up to the people involved and how much they're willing to put in to minimize or negate said risk. Lori and Shane engaged in risky behavior and had a bad outcome. Lori had the option to take the pills, but ultimately chose not to. Whether you agree with those 2 actions is up to the individual and I don't think there's a bad argument for or against those 2 decisions.
@TheRealCaptainGold
3 ай бұрын
Your belief assumes that sex is a requirement for pregnancy to begin with. It is not, in fact, a requirement for pregnancy. Impregnate. What does that mean? It means to get a woman or female animal pregnant. It is a verb that communicates an action *being done* to someone or something and not with something or someone. A woman can only get pregnant if she is inseminated by a male’s seed. This can be done during sex or independent of sex via artificial insemination. The point of all of this is to understand that *the primary agency in any pregnancy via intercourse falls on the male* and not the woman. A woman can consent to sex while also not consenting to pregnancy because the act of insemination is separate from intercourse in the same manner that other sexual acts are different than intercourse itself. To say that consent to sex is consent to the “risk of pregnancy” is like saying consent to sex is also the act of consenting to the risk of your gf pegging you without consent. It logically does not follow, at all. If your gf pegged you without your consent, despite the fact that you consented to sex itself, she’d be a rapist. Hence it is possible to consent to sex and not to being inseminated by a careless partner. This is why many women tell their partners not to impregnate them during sex. This isn’t some “take” it’s just how procreation works. This is actually something you’d cover when reading about the ethics of reproductive rights. And what I’ve just covered is one of the many reasons why the majority of bioethicists and moral philosophers are pro-choice. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
@brendonleonard1733
3 ай бұрын
@TheRealCaptainGold I understand that, but in this particular case we're talking about two adults who chose to engage in this activity where pregnancy is can reasonably be a result. And, in this particular case, we don't know, nor have we seen, Lori outright tell Shane to not impregnate her. Pregnancy can still occur even if the man were to pull out, assuming they weren't using ANY protection on either side. Yes, there are methods of insemination without sex, but those instances only happen if you specifically opt into that, or if it's done against your will. But in general, engaging in sexual activity can yield a result that you don't want (depending if you want a child or not), but there's an assumption of risk that is accepted when both particpants engaging in that behavior commit the act UNLESS you outright tell your partner to do or not do something. As far as I know, Lori didn't tell Shane to not impregnate her, so I don't think the point works in this particular case. But, if there is a point where Lori did tell Shane to not impregnate her, then by all means let me know and I'll retract what I said since it would be on Shane at that point.
@TheRealCaptainGold
3 ай бұрын
@@brendonleonard1733 She shouldn’t have to tell him that she doesn’t want to be impregnated, just like you don’t need to tell a person you’re with not to peg you without consent. It should be on Shane to ask for consent because he’s the one committing an action. This is how consent works. You presume you don’t have it until you do. Everything else you said doesn’t negate the fundamental truth that consent to sex is never consent to pregnancy or the “risk” of it.
@brendonleonard1733
3 ай бұрын
@TheRealCaptainGold Except Shane isn't the only one committing the action. Lori participated in the action as well so pinning it all on Shane is illogical. Even if Shane were to have pulled out, pregnancy can still occur. Saying that you consent to sex but not pregnancy is no different than saying that you consent to playing the lottery but not losing money.
@TheRealCaptainGold
3 ай бұрын
@@brendonleonard1733 She consented to sex, not insemination. Where am I losing you there? Your reasoning only works if Insemination is an inherent part of sex, when it isn’t necessarily. When we drive a car to a specific location, we consent to the risk that someone else **might** hit us, at no fault of our own. When they do hit us, on accident, we retain the right to potentially press charges and or file claims. To take your position on the matter would be akin to saying that we can’t press charges or file claims. If we don’t like car accidents, then we shouldn’t drive.
@saikizuckerberg5004
Ай бұрын
What made me hate her was how she told Shane he wasn’t allowed to speak to her or Carl, then guilt tripped him into staying by blaming/manipulating him because “Carl thinks you hate him”… like girl you told him to not talk to Carl then got mad when Carl thought Shane didn’t like him bc he wasn’t talking to Carl bc you told him not to talk to Carl?? Make it make sense…
@GrimShawTV
3 ай бұрын
If you were too look up a step by step list on how to manipulate two men to fight to the death, she followed every step. Then after all is said and done, she gaslit rick making him feel guilty. She's a total piece.
@TheMightyCookieShow
Ай бұрын
Yes...yes she did, and frankly, this lady got off easy. The hate towards her was justifiably much higher in a perfect world. Lori was/is and always will be an absolutally horrible karen/person.
@rinyotsu2.0
24 күн бұрын
As someone who became the child a widow at 6, Shane, a trusted male role model for Carl was an absolutely fantastic thing to happen for Carl's sake.
@jeremycolon7337
Ай бұрын
Nah, Lori still deserves all the hate IMO, just the fact that she says “you killed the living to protect whats yours?” And then almost immediately tells Rick “Shane is dangerous” she was always a Lady Macbeth character. Shane however is a character that doesn’t get enough flak for his actions and honestly that itself is a crime. Edit: SHE DESERVES THE HATE, I AM NOT CONDONING HER SA BY SHANE, SHE WAS A VICTIM. The moment she said no or tried to pull away, she was a victim.
@mappingshaman5280
3 ай бұрын
"Shane isn't a bad person by this point (lori's SA)." Excuse me? Are we forgetting about the fact he pointed a shotgun at rick's back?
@aiden-cz3ss
3 ай бұрын
please read!!! this is my own opinion (: - lori was not a bad person. she wasn’t and that’s final. the way she cared for beth in season two and sacrificed herself to give her daughter a chance to live. you can argue she would’ve died anyway, but she could’ve just let judith die during childbirth and have a more comfortable ending compared to being ripped open by a knife. - “she cheated on rick!” no, she didn’t. shane taken advantage of lori’s fragile state and attempted to sleep with her in the cdc during season one. lori didn’t consent as her husband was alive - after being told he was dead. if the world was going to hell and every single day i knew it could be my last - fuck knows what id be doing. i don’t blame shane for telling lori he died though, like- the hospital was filled with walkers and atlanta got absolutely obliterated so it was a safe assumption. - she wasn’t a bad mother. carl was just a little shit who kept running off. this was proven in season two when he wandered into the woods, not killing the walker that essentially taken dale’s life. also, back to the first season, both sophia and carl ran into the woods and came across a walker - though carol wasn’t to blame at all. she also went foraging, hence carl being watched by the group - at least making some contributions. (*cough* all of the kids carol cared for died *cough* nobody judged her parenting skills *cough*) - her expecting glenn and other people to go out scavenging for her own good? yes, i understand, but i think this is what makes her extremely relatable in terms of how other people would behave in the event of an apocalypse. sorry guys, if a person(s) were the go-to for scouting, you would be giving them lists. - her pregnancy and keeping it a secret as well as attempting an abortion? GUYS, IT’S THE APOCALYLSE! lori was so rational when discussing the pregnancy with rick, but he disagreed with terminating the pregnancy and essentially persuaded her to keep it despite her throwing up the pills beforehand. lori was aware of the risks, discussing the chances of death with hershel in the prison as well as actions to be taken if there’s any doubt she is dead. here is a prime example of her putting not just her children but also the group first. - she knew shane was a threat. she was shocked at the end of season two that he was killed, i kind of saw it as a relief. yes, shane basically rescued both of them and saved carl’s life - but at the end of the day he was extremely unhinged and became a threat to the group. when you have a family, especially an impending baby, you don’t want to shit on the spoon that feeds you. (aka, being a cunt at the farm that is giving you sanctuary which shane was.) this unhinged behaviour was mentioned by both hershel and dale as well, not just lori. - the only thing i would actually say against her is when she crashed maggies car. like miss gurl, how the fuck did you manage that??? THE ROAD WAS THE WIDTH OF A HOOKERS VAG!!!
@TheRealCaptainGold
3 ай бұрын
@@aiden-cz3ss Read. I appreciate the effort 😁
@jaymeegrayson4662
2 ай бұрын
Dude this is the only valid take 💀 everyone else is just like "Lori's a manipulating bitch" like huh? Brother Shane manipulated he?
@Eclipse-1-z40
2 ай бұрын
@@jaymeegrayson4662 He manipulated her? How?? Also, no. She still IS a terrible person lmao. Terrible take.
@hyuka222
25 күн бұрын
@@Eclipse-1-z40I see you’re everywhere in this comment section defending Shane a lot, he isn’t the best person to be defending imo
@jonnyhill1155
Ай бұрын
The fact she wouldnt let shane be the father of his own baby makes all the hate lori got justified
@draggonsgate
Ай бұрын
Thank you for bringing up WHY she was pissed at Rick. So many folks thought it was because Rick killed Shane, not the fact that Carl put down Walker-Shane. My issue has always been how she had Shane on a rubber band. Go away, but come here. She knew exactly what she was doing putting that little seed in Rick's head. It just backfired and involved Carl. Lori has zero chance of making the long haul, and Shane would've turned into the Governor.
@MarcusHawkins-u2q
Ай бұрын
The issue is not with how quick Lori moved on it's the fact that she moved on specifically with Shane. had it been anyone else not not close to Rick she would not get the same ire
@lilblackcat213
3 ай бұрын
In my opinion, Lori didn't deserve what had happened getting graped by Shane during one of the CDC episodes, nor bumping uglies with Shane since she and Shane thought that Rick was dead/turned into a walker. For me, it's the fact that Lori uses both Rick and Shane for survival, understanding that she fell pregnant with Shane's baby (that is my theory that Judith is Shane's child, Carl's half-sister), Also shunning Shane once Rick turned up alive.
@camilovega9843
3 ай бұрын
If my wife and best friend thought I died in the zombie apocalypse and ended up romantically involved, taking care of each other and my bro actually looking after her and my child as his own, I'd be quite pleased and actually think it would be the right move for so many reasons. What's the alternative: both of them suffering alone? Going separate ways? Her latching onto some asshole I don't know, and that could easily be a full-time psycho? No. Your best friend is sure to share many of your own values and probably as strong and smart as you are. And at the end of the world, I wouldn't want any of them to be without a family because my stupid ass died (allegedly). Better for them to get together and look out for each other. Sure, when I come back, it will be a very difficult situation to navigate, but I would totally understand and would even be angry if they acted differently. I would expect it.
@ameleiizane
Ай бұрын
Lori earned all the hate she got. And yes it was something wrong with her bunking up with his best friend within less than 6 months. If she would have tried to control herself, She would have seen that Rick was alive. They were both equally at fault. She pretended to think that Shane purposely lied to her about thinking Rick was dead. She knew it but wanted to have a scapegoat to blame for the guilt of what she did. She was horrible and entitled. I didn’t miss her character one bit when she died. I did feel bad for her kids and Rick though. Shane would have left if Lori didn’t tell him to stay. Then went and said the opposite to Rick. She made Shane thinks she really wanted to be with him but Rick was in the way. It contributed to Shane losing his mind instead of moving on.
@yaskobg5656
Ай бұрын
I really enjoy the video, but a speculation - Lori whispering in Rick's ear that Shane is dangerous and whatnot, this could've been avoided if she did indeed speak with him and cleared up the air. But she said "nah, we aint talkin"
@mayaalieva938
25 күн бұрын
I mean Lori and Shane are both adults so pragmatically it is a good match. But I think most were upset with Lori on moral grounds. Shane was her husband's best friend, they called each other brothers. I'm sure if Rick was dead or on his deathbed and he gave his blessing, and wanted Lori and Carl to be looked after, then that's another matter. There's a lot of gray area. Another thing is, when Rick was discovered to be alive, they didn't come clean and tell him. This was Lori's husband and Shane's best friend. People weren't fans of their choices. Now with Shane there was a downward spiral. Lori was trying to make things right, I guess...but I don't know. And I think people were also thinking, "of all the people you moved on with it was him?" But again she knew Shane and he was familiar, so there's that...people disliked her for her choices or on a moral level. And as for Shane, morality should have played some role too, but I do get it, by all accounts he was decent, he blocked Rick's hospital room, he got Lori and Carl out of Atlanta, and took care of them. They should have had a talk, then sat Rick down and had a talk sooner. Maybe all that could have been avoided.
@Boosted_5.0
Ай бұрын
noone hates her because she moved on too fast, they hate her because of WHO she moved on to. she knew shane was ricks close friend. i doubt anyone would have an issue if she was hooking up with some random.
@EjdbdbDhshxnfnf
25 күн бұрын
She moved on way to fast and yeah she gets hate for it
@onlyalisaawilliams
3 ай бұрын
Lori’s relationship with Shane it was puzzling why some fan’s called it cheating , or disloyal. I never blamed her or Shane for finding comfort in the middle of hell, but everything after that, except the SA I blame her….. Lori’s death was brutal, and a women’s worst nightmare , but I was ecstatic she was gone.
@droopy10115
3 ай бұрын
Guilt was the driving force behind Lori’s decision making..she didnt know how to navigate it
@SeekingElysium
3 ай бұрын
Ultimately it boils down to Lori directly affected the ENTIRE twd timeline lol. If I ever play the destines game I might try and off her (if it’s an option) and see how it changes things lmao
@shaunpaulsen7960
3 ай бұрын
It should have been, why Laurie was written, to be so hated.
@PhlesheBone
3 ай бұрын
"Lori could have prevented this assault" ...you mean..you mean how he literally tried to sxually assaulted her????
@chloe.2189
2 ай бұрын
maybe it's just because I think she's beautiful but I've never really hated her at all
@alinvornicu7734
Ай бұрын
It´s crazy to me people cry for Ricks son or hating lori. I dont even cared about the son, not even rick. The coolest Characters was Daryl and Niggen.
@charliechuckles2195
3 ай бұрын
Lori should have just let shane leave when he offered to. Thats the only thing i blame her for regarding shane.
@MortifiedPlatypus
Ай бұрын
I didn't mind her in prison break. She would of been fine in walking dead if she wasn't so changeable. Telling Rick to go get Meryl then being angry because he agrees to go. Implying Rick should do something about Shane then being annoyed when he does. You really feel what he says in the beginning that anything he says pisses her off. Her problem is Rick is a good husband and doesn't beat her up. Even she agrees that's crazy. But that is the reason she wants him to beat her. To tell her she is being crazy bitch. How she reacted to Shane SAing her is probably how she'd react if Rick actually did hit her. Nothing else about her character bothered me. I don't blame Shane for thinking Rick was dead. But I also don't blame Lori for being angry at Shane for saying her husband was dead when he wasn't. Anyone would be. That is just an unfortunate event which was nobody's fault.
@mollystorm25
3 ай бұрын
7:40 I don’t think us as the audience will know for sure whether Shane knew Rick was alive or not during that hospital scene and that’s what makes it such an interesting debate. I personally think that Shane did know, I think at that moment when he tried to save Rick he realized first of how that there was no way to get Rick and himself out but second that there was likely no point and Rick was as good as dead anyways with his injury. The fact that Shane decided to put the hospital bed in front of the door just backs that up for me. Why would you block the entrance to a corpse when there’s people getting shot down the hall unless you thought there was a possibility he might still be alive? But then you see Lori and Shane leaving Atlanta, at that point Shane had already told Lori that Rick was dead, they specifically say that him saying that was the only way she would leave. I think that he left the hospital and went to get Carl and Lori and he realized that she wouldn’t leave without Rick and Shane thought Rick was as good as dead so he just told her that he was. When they got out of Atlanta, after they got away, and saw the city getting bombed he definitely assumed Rick was at that point. I mean who wouldn’t? But I do think Shane knew when he left that hospital that Rick was still alive.
@myck7021
3 ай бұрын
Look I’m not even gonna start the video without saying this it’s been max 3 months since Rick being in the hospital. Reguardless Shane hearing his heart stop or not. I personally don’t think morally I could do that or want that he done to myself, I don’t want my future wife to be in pain, but I also don’t want her sleeping with my best friend 3 months later “for me” or some dumbass shit. Also in the beginning Lori was talking about how she basically was looking for an escape, Rick is perfect, she had to make a big deal out of a light switch or something and he said all the right words and she still wasn’t happy. She suggested Rick to kill Shane, Shane kinda wanted him to because he was 20 steps ahead for a world not ready for him, aswell that last little bit of moral he has inside him was basically saying “cmon Rick stop being a bitch there’s no going back” he knew he crossed lines, but then Lori was like “how could you” and didn’t even really talk to Rick anymore. Michonne went out found Rick, and didn’t start sleeping with Darly 3 months later. See my point.
@retrospectre2658
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, she DOES deserve it. She was the worst written character who needed two big strong men around for a SPARE. Thats what it was. She wanted to have 2 guys because she knew that one could die anytime. So, psychologically, she was trading her love for people to stay near. Not even kidding, whether she knows it or not, that's the thing that happened. And here's the kicker: ITS NOT IN THE FUCKING COMICS. Shane was the one that couldn't move on when Laurie told him to. Why? She was not a widow anymore. But the damn writers strike needed them to tread water for an entire season so she couldn't make up her mind because the showrunner needed to buy time. I hate her character because she embodies the problems behind the camera. I hate her as the symbol of idiots in Hollywood striking for every little thing instead of being a normal regulated industry.
@gunzandgodz
3 ай бұрын
I hope you keep pumping out The Walking Dead videos. Love them
@Koifin3
3 ай бұрын
Lori deserves hate for everything but the initial relationship with Shane. Thinking Rick was dead and being in an extremely and constantly stressful environment where Shane is the only thing holding her down and it was kind of just a natural progression that two people in the apocalypse connect quickly. However, the way she handled literally everything after Rick showed up with probably the worst things she could ever do.
@malachisguides
3 ай бұрын
Im not gonna buy all of season 1 to fact check whether or not im the TV show lori and shane thought Rick was dead... MAYBE they changed that in the show to make Lori more palettable to a bigger audience... But in the comic book they are talking about how theyre gonna go rescue Rick because he must be okay and then they plow.
@llewelluynzepper6741
3 ай бұрын
Agreed, as usual, very objective. I generally agree with you. There was 1 time I claimed to have disagreed, but it was only as I do not want people in a bad situation to validate certain things from my openly agreeing. Good going as ALWAYS!
@dandreajones6932
2 ай бұрын
Still hate her she got two best friends killed and she dated him after and kept playing with his head and more
@christhis9597
3 ай бұрын
I remember i liked lori because it is the same actress as in prison break
@CatDuckChu
2 ай бұрын
persoanlly ive never hated her. do i think some of her choices and the way she acts sometimes is worng? yes. but do i hate her for it? no.
@thormidthagahast8914
3 ай бұрын
Naaaa. Lori encouraged Sean near the end and you know it.
@isabelle2strg
3 ай бұрын
i think lori needed protection during the new apocalypse and shane was the most reasonable and logical person to want protection from(he was a police officer and knew her husband well). Unfortunately turned into a romance but i don’t blame her for wanting to feel protected. i would also assume rick would be dead if i was shane.
@osyrisking5437
3 ай бұрын
Lori's not responsible for Shane assaulting her. But I strongly feel none of this would have happened THIS WAY if it weren't for her. Does anyone believe Rick and Shane could have been okay if Rick woke up after Lori died from giving birth to Judith?
@memorylane6371
19 күн бұрын
I love the dying light music
@Kittycat1012
3 ай бұрын
She literally didn't know where her eight-year-old son was ever pretty much she's horrible mother
@sorrenblitz805
3 ай бұрын
I think he's supposed to be 10 in the show but your point still stands.
@la214la
3 ай бұрын
@@sorrenblitz805He looked all of 8! That’s how old I thought he was. In any event, Lori never knew where the kid was and with her 1950s mentality, you would think the least she could do is watch her kid! She’s supposed to be the homemaker - her words - so take care of the home, Lori! She couldn’t even do that!
@Cnvivi
3 ай бұрын
Tbf they did say that most of the women were doing all the domestic work like meals and laundry…. Carl was like 10 he shoulda known to stay put 😭😭😭 that car crash tho 😂
@CP4521
3 ай бұрын
He's 12, but the point still stands. If she cared about carl so much, why would she let him wander off multiple times? She let carl run off where he played with a walker that got dale killed, she let carl slip out of her sight when shane turned and carl was forced to kill shane, she blames rick when she should have been watching over carl in the first place.
@la214la
3 ай бұрын
@@CP4521 I think they changed his age later because CR shot up like a weed but I swear he was 8 when the show started. He looked all of 8 to me. But regardless……Lori’s mothering skills sucked!
@RigItRay
3 ай бұрын
She's right Shane is dangerous. Her telling Rick that, after she told Shane to stay. Manipulating both of them to guarantee a death duel. That act isn't unjust hate, it's partly both.
@jameswright6554
3 ай бұрын
The part that really gets me is when she gets shocked and mad at Rick when he tells her that he killed Shane.
@samanthaM7119
3 ай бұрын
Yeah like I get that telling Rick, “Shane is dangerous” she had all the right to say but she was playing with both of them and that lead to Dale and Shanes death (if I’m remembering correctly)
@TheRealCaptainGold
3 ай бұрын
I don’t think it was intentional. I believe she felt Rick could solve the issue peacefully. Just like she thought Shane could coexist in the group with everyone. I do think it’s a stretch to say she’s fully responsible for Shane wanting to kill Rick. That final showdown happened because of Shane. Rick didn’t want it and Lori didn’t want it. I think it’s better to say she exacerbated the issue.
@RigItRay
3 ай бұрын
@@TheRealCaptainGold Anyone can believe Lori thought anything, I don't factor that. Lori isn't responsible for others actions. She did too much putting Rick and Shane on course for a final conflict.
@TheRealCaptainGold
3 ай бұрын
@@RigItRay You’re right. She isn’t responsible for the actions of other people, yet you say she’s responsible for Shane wanting to kill Rick. You don’t see the issue? Influencing the outcome? Sure, why not. Totally responsible? No fam.
@twilightgardenspresentatio6384
3 ай бұрын
Rick gave Shane every bit of credit, respect and understanding a man can
@lisajohnson2004
3 ай бұрын
Yes as a mother I would say, at the end of the world with the dead walking, one month after your husband dies, your son should have been your only focus, not having sex in the woods with your husband best friend.
@PutraRhm
2 ай бұрын
The guy who made the video act like a horny simp who throws rationality just for lust and acts like it's part of nature.
@shooby9496
2 ай бұрын
You can't discount that part of that might have been for Carl. She lived her life thinking she had a strong and righteous police officer to guide her son through his childhood. She then had that suddenly stricken away and a very obvious replacement right in front of her right when society crumbled beneath their feet.
@steviesavagegs8791
2 ай бұрын
@shooby9496 imo i don't think you can justify fucking your husband's best friend 1 months after him dieing
@kaiarmani2326
Ай бұрын
As a mother myself I agree !
@inkassosjefen6315
Ай бұрын
At the same time, if your son really is in your focus, you will take that one guy you already know and let him protect you. If she hadnt slept with him, he would have forced himself on her (which we see later on). Thats the type of guy that would just have left them on the street if she turned him down. You could let that happen for good morals sake if you are alone, but not if you have a child to protect. Then most people in her place would have went along with it.
@Thanos-vw9wd
3 ай бұрын
RANT INCOMING: My issue with Lori is how she went about dumping Shane once Rick returned. It does make sense if she believed he ‘lied’ about Rick’s death, but let’s get into it anyway. Firstly, what are the fucking odds Rick would wake up nearly 2 full months AFTER the Apocalypse and then manage to find his family? His family, mind you, that’s in an entirely different state from where he woke up. Next Lori seemingly forgets literally everything Shane did for her and Carl. Yeah it’s poetic for him to say they saved him, and maybe that’s true emotionally, but he actually saved them, and lead the Quarry group to great success before Rick arrived. She even has the audacity to pretty much say Shane lied about Rick being dead and blames him for taking her and Carl away. Again, not considering anything. He saved her life, he saved her sons life, he’s actually providing her with stability in the literal end of the world. She never comes across to the viewer like she understood the very real possibility that Shane actually thought Rick was fucking dead. Whereas we the audience see the horrific shit show that went down at the hospital when he went to get Rick. So to me it feels like she uses Shane for survival because it’s convenient and logical, and once her husband returns she immediately gets rid of him. Even if she didn’t want to stay with Shane after Rick returned, she should’ve had an adult conversation with everyone and tried to make things copacetic. Instead she antagonized the man who saved her and her son’s life until he went fucking crazy and tried to kill her husband. I genuinely believe Shane was telling the truth to Rick when he said he never looked at Lori that way before the apocalypse. Then on top of it Lori really must have had a low opinion of Shane to take the position that if he lied about Rick’s death, it must have been malicious. That paints Shane in such a shitty light which is not what he deserved considering how much he did for her family. Lori sucks
@onlyalisaawilliams
3 ай бұрын
I agree with all of this 💯%
@Bureau_Of_Enigma_Affairs
3 ай бұрын
Frr
@JaucrispyTv
3 ай бұрын
Facts Lori is trash
@theconfidentialcookie6245
3 ай бұрын
Rick didnt find them in a different state. Most of the show takes place in and around Atlanta. They dont leave Georgia until they head to DC and stumble upon Alexandria. But i agree with everything you said.
@somevrdude88
3 ай бұрын
not to mention she wants shane to stay but when he tries to talk to her about almost anything she shits on him and makes him feel unimportant and that he doesn't deserve to be a part of the group or a part of her life
@HappywifeTaylor
3 ай бұрын
I don't fault Lori for her relationship with Shane. Lori was literally the devil on Rick's shoulder telling him Shane is dangerous.
@XThink-hl6gv
3 ай бұрын
She was right though.
@themoongateofficial
3 ай бұрын
@@XThink-hl6gvyeah but she still got pissed when Rick says he killed Shane at the end of season 2, which is dumb asf
@XThink-hl6gv
3 ай бұрын
@@themoongateofficial That don’t make her the devil, it makes her emotionally stupid lol
@twilightgardenspresentatio6384
3 ай бұрын
She was about to divorce Rick when he was shot, how long had she been flirting with Shane? She didn’t save anybody, she is a predator without power and becomes a victim who drains those who love her
@RigItRay
3 ай бұрын
@@XThink-hl6gv What makes her the devil, the big ones. Telling Shane to stay, telling rick Shane is dangerous, and push and pull Shane's emo. It guaranteed the death duel.
@benthomas3355
3 ай бұрын
A loving wife! No sir. There was a flash back of Lori talking to a friend of hers. She said she was thinking of divorcing Rick because he didn't fight with her and was too nice. What. People please? All she does is cause drama and issues. Because as you said, she is impulsive and short sighted.
@nikolaremesova4218
Ай бұрын
She didn’t say what you wrote 😂 what a way to twist someone’s words so you can use them to prove your point lol. She never talked rudely about Rick, she only had a conversation with her friend about couple stuff, things that couples go through. And how do you even know what their life looked like before the apocalypse? Rick could have easily been the one who didn’t treat her right and in my opinion that would be more likely than the other way around. 😂
@PerfectCell937
Ай бұрын
@@nikolaremesova4218Lori even said herself that she was acting shitty towards Rick 😭😭😭
@Sun-Warrior1911
3 ай бұрын
I’ll be honest she definitely deserves at least 95% of the blame that she gets. The relationship between her and Shane is the only thing she doesn’t deserve hate for. The moment Rick came back she doesn’t tell him about her & Shane, tries to abort the baby, denies Shane from Carl & worst of all his own unborn child, mixed signals like “Stay away from my family” to “How can you try & abandon us like that?” Shane had the right to see & raise his daughter, & had he at least been able to have that a group lead by Rick Shane Daryl would’ve been a pretty difficult group to go up against in the future!!
@naha2153
3 ай бұрын
Sure, if Shane were a normal person in a normal circumstance, then he’d absolutely deserve the right to see his biological child. But Shane has been nothing but dangerous towards the members of the group as soon as Rick returned. He disrespected Lori and her family (are people forgetting he sexually assaulted her in the cdc? lol) and has shown that he DOES not have the capability or capacity to lead the group and provide stability for a child.
@Sun-Warrior1911
3 ай бұрын
@@naha2153 Did you watch those seasons or his video. As soon as Rick came back she treated him like he was a villain, like he was lying about Rick. He cared for both Carl & Lori but she doesn’t care for the sacrifices he made for them. It wasn’t til near the end of season 2 where she says THANK YOU for all he’s done. The WORST thing of all was her telling him that even if the baby is his he won’t get to see it! You don’t think all of that, being in an apocalyptic world & being denied your right to be a father would send a man over the edge??? How she treats him is what cracks him, then he’s broken.
@TheRealCaptainGold
3 ай бұрын
@@Sun-Warrior1911 To be fair, Shane is still responsible for going over the edge of his own accord. Lori just added gas to the fire. We can empathize with Shane, we can understand him, we can feel sorry for him, but we can’t remove his culpability.
@Sun-Warrior1911
3 ай бұрын
@@TheRealCaptainGold Lori doesn’t just pour gas she helps light the fire too. His fire was protecting Lori and Carl, & it was safe and properly maintained surrounded by a circle of rocks. As soon as Rick comes back she snuffs out that flame & destroys the circle too. She helps him start a new unprotected flame with all the things she says to & about him. As if everything he’s done wasn’t for them but for himself, the fire he claimed kept him alive was nothing but an illusion when it really wasn’t. She said everything she needed to get him away so she could create the illusion of a happy marriage. She set the table for him, & Shane came and ate. Just because Shane’s body is found at the starting point of the inferno doesn’t make him the culprit IMO.
@JuniorSmith-zw7pd
3 ай бұрын
If they waited 1 more month all of this would've been avoided I fully blame Lori for wanting to bang another man so soon after her husband dies I don't care what anyone says no man like Rick deserve to be cursed with such a wife who moved on so quickly like he was nothing to her she deserve hate for sure
@blackrose8418
3 ай бұрын
The relationship was fine. It was everything Lori did after said relationship's abrupt end. Pure aggrivation
@twilightgardenspresentatio6384
3 ай бұрын
She wanted Shane to disappear but always be her servant and protector but not part of her new life He was family til Rick died and then came back
@twilightgardenspresentatio6384
3 ай бұрын
She wanted Shane to disappear but always be her servant and protector but not part of her new life He was family til Rick died
@AntOfBobby
3 ай бұрын
She wanted Shane to disappear but always be her servant and protector but not part of her new life He was family til Rick died and then came back
@mkpm1304
3 ай бұрын
@@AntOfBobby lol !!! 😆
@mkpm1304
3 ай бұрын
Nah, I gotta disagree. If you're happily married, then a few months later, she's sleeping with her husband's bestie ? lol She belongs to the streets ! When Rick came back, it wasn't obvious she was pregnant, so I'm guessing 3-4 months tops? So all it took was a few months (maybe weeks) for her to get over her dead husband? lol And to do it with Carl around ? Imagine if he had caught them ? Now, if a year or two had passed, it might be excusable, but a couple of months?? Would you have taken her back ? Not me he'll no give her to Shane personally I would've been doing everything in my power to hook up with Maggie + Beth !! A man can dream 😊
@EMTQueen
3 ай бұрын
Regarding Lori starting up a sexual (romantic?) relationship with Shane, I think she gets more hate for it because now we have a comparison. We just watched a spinoff where Rick's second wife and the love of his life did not engage in another romantic relationship for years after Rick's assumed death. And then went on a two-year search for him (that nearly killed her) on minimal evidence of his continued existence. The last shot of Michonne on the mothership was her about to go through a sea of walkers to find Rick. Keep in mind that Michonne and Rick were separated for far longer than they were ever together. That versus his wife of at least ten years having a relationship with his childhood best friend less than a month after being told he was dead. Yes, there is no set timetable on when a widow/er can start a new relationship, but most people would say a few weeks is way too short a turnaround. Even if, or maybe especially, when it's the end of the world and you have a young child that needs protecting and constant reassurance of safety. Woodland nookie time really needed to have taken a backseat to Carl and setting up provisions for survival.
@nenep1872
Ай бұрын
Omg your right lol
@empty_melodies
3 ай бұрын
Kinda feels like there were two different writers for Lori and both had different ideas on what kind of character she should’ve been.
@GabbyLividus
3 ай бұрын
I agree. I know people can be wishy washy in real life but it feels unintentional here with Lori.
@jordanerzsebet2727
3 ай бұрын
Maybe Lori as a character had a personality disorder. I'm not even trying to be funny, but these type of people do exist in the world. Imagine someone like that in this type of apocalyptic world.
@Thebatcavepetfriendlybakery
2 ай бұрын
There were! First season and first episode of s2 were written by the director of shawshank redemption. Everything after that was someone else bc the first directors ideas were "too expensive" 🙄 so she and all the characters were written by 2 different people! 3+ of you include the comics
@empty_melodies
2 ай бұрын
@@Thebatcavepetfriendlybakerywhoa! Thanks for sharing! Didn’t know that
@shlongusinterruptus
2 ай бұрын
maybe she was bipolar
@toasterpastries5811
3 ай бұрын
*First, she gets mad at Rick for not yelling at her and being TOO GOOD a man. (before the zombie apocalypse).* *First she tells Rick to go get Merle. Then she scolds Rick for it.* *First she tells Rick that Shane is dangerous and must be delt with. Then Rick kills Shane in self defense...and Lori blames rick for it.* *She volunteers to leave Carl at the quarry camp and go into the city...but Shane convinces her not to. Then Lori drives off the farm and gets into a car accident like an idiot and has no regard for her unborn child and also risks the lives of others who have to save her.* She's selfish, self-contradicting, foolish, and has no concern for her son, unborn child, and husband, or anyone else in the group except for her Bad Boy Boyfriend, who she also ends up treating unfairly after Rick came back. Although she did think Rick was dead, she didn't even wait one month before hooking up with Shane. FOUR WEEKS. Bruh. Clearly, she never loved Rick. She despised him for being the "nice guy" "good man."
@RockyfromMilwaukee
3 ай бұрын
Exactly. Well said.
@deadpooldan9862
3 ай бұрын
She did love Rick and was faithful, the only thing was the world literally ended. Imagine losing everything and the only thing you have left is your son and your husbands best friend. Lori needed comfort, and Shane was the one who could give it to her, she genuinely thought Rick was dead, there’s nothing wrong with their relationship before Rick came back
@thenewspiderman7019
Ай бұрын
Facts
@CirilloRuca
15 күн бұрын
@@deadpooldan9862 Is that the lie you tell yourself?
@deadpooldan9862
14 күн бұрын
@@CirilloRuca how is it a lie? It’s the complete truth, even Rick understood that despite still being hurt about it
@dontworryillwait3689
3 ай бұрын
As a society, we need to talk more about how being wrong about something isn't lying.
@xvoidxhunter2129
2 ай бұрын
She doesnt think being wrong = lying, she was under the impression he just lied to get at her
@mochi1854
Ай бұрын
Which isn't justified cause Shane backed off when she told him that her family is off limits, which shows Shane being a sensible person and doing as told/doesn't even argue and tried to leave bec he couldn't bare it.
@DeadX2
Ай бұрын
@@xvoidxhunter2129 except he didnt lol
@xvoidxhunter2129
Ай бұрын
@@DeadX2 Yea but she doesnt know that. Its not out of the land of possibility someone would kill your husband during the apocalypse when they cant verify otherwise and then swoop in to cash in on some rebound poon
@xvoidxhunter2129
Ай бұрын
@@DeadX2 But she doesnt know that, and it isnt unreasonable to feel like he lied when he outright told her he died... Not "I didnt hear a heart beat cause they were shooting" not "They were bombing the hospital so it was loud" just that he died, he didnt say exactly why he couldnt hear his heartbeat till she confronted him about it. Moreover its really not unreasonable to assume it anyway since realistically he could just lie about it to get some rebound action since there is no government body to document that stuff during the outbreak and she knew that. Shane is also fragrantly not above lying and manipulating to get what he wants
@Agito191
3 ай бұрын
I mean it kind of seemed implied that this thing between Lori and Shane was brewing even before Rick was presumed dead. Not that they actually did anything, but the wheels were already in motion. I think for Lori it was just a matter of she didnt realize what she had until it was gone. Thats the only reason she jumped back to Rick so quick in my opinion. They definitely didnt seem like they were on the best of terms before the apocalypse.
@sorrenblitz805
3 ай бұрын
The comics actually do kinda talk about how Rick's marriage isn't exactly doing too well, lack of communication, lack of emotional connection, they seem to mostly stay together for Carl.
@la214la
3 ай бұрын
Agreed. You don’t screw your dead husband’s best friend within three weeks of said death w/o there being some feelings already there! She was likely going to divorce Rick pre-ZA. I don’t think she was in love with Rick anymore, and she certainly wasn’t after he returned. She really wanted Shane but was too weak to say it. That’s why she cried when Rick killed him. She thought Shane would win the death match, which would have been fine with her!!
@BigBootyDuty
3 ай бұрын
@@sorrenblitz805 Comic Lori and TV Lori are very different characters.
@viiofwands3076
3 ай бұрын
Lori and Shane should’ve just came clean to Rick in the beginning
@ChuckleFuks
3 ай бұрын
The only real problem with the relationship is how how fast they both moved on
@Bureau_Of_Enigma_Affairs
3 ай бұрын
Tbf it was two months after the literal apocalypse, not to mention her husband (Rick) was in a coma inside a hospital in a populated city. Not only that, but the group was in an entirely different state than them, so what was the likelihood of a single person getting out of an infected hospital in the middle of an infested city, and also finding his family in a separate state on foot without any clues?
@dongeraci8599
3 ай бұрын
@@Bureau_Of_Enigma_Affairs Wasn't two months. After Rick was left unattended, he couldn't have lived 3 days without water. Even with an IV. So, 3 days max in the hospital, 2 days at Morgan's and on that same second day he was already on the road to Atlanta. With no traffic it only took him a few hours to be within radio distance of the camp which was just outside of Atlanta. Shane and Lori were ALREADY banging because the opening scene of episode 2 was NOT the first time and that was on the SAME DAY Rick left Morgan's, day 5. She waited MAYBE 4 days. And that's being generous. From the time Shane left Rick to the time Rick found the group only 5 days passed at most. (And they weren't in a different state. Rick lived in King County, Georgia... The group was camped outside of Atlanta, Georgia. Rick from the comics was from Kentucky.)
@Bureau_Of_Enigma_Affairs
3 ай бұрын
@@dongeraci8599 In the show, it's revealed in Walking Dead (or Fear, forgot which) had doctor remained to provide medical attention to those in need who were all alone. Dave Erickson (a former showrunner for Fear the Walking Dead) claims that Robert Kirkman stated Rick had been unconscious for four to five weeks. So it was roughly one month he was in the hospital after the apocalypse started, and he was in a coma a little longer than that before Walkers invaded.
@la214la
3 ай бұрын
@@Bureau_Of_Enigma_AffairsIt wasn’t two months. It was THREE WEEKS! No one can convince me they didn’t have feelings for each other pre-ZA! They wasted no time getting together!
@Bureau_Of_Enigma_Affairs
3 ай бұрын
@@la214la 4-5 weeks; that's a month if not longer. And yes I agree that they definitely had feelings for each other beforehand, plus yk, trauma bonding, and all that.
@tiabeaniesemotionalsupportdmon
3 ай бұрын
Some of you guys are talking about how Lori was evil for putting notions in Rick’s ear, but what I see is a wife warning her husband of what she knows and feels concerning the danger of his best friend. Also, Dale needs to hold some responsibility here… he saw Shane holding Rick in his sights right after Rick showed up at the Quarry Camp. He should have said something to Rick IMMEDIATELY. He figured out that Shane killed Otis and said nothing, and Shane outright confronted Dale over the guns out in the swamp. He could SEE Shane was completely unhinged and was slipping even farther, yet he kept that shit to himself… save for when he told Lori about it. That’s another reason why she talked to Rick and told him Shane was dangerous, because Dale even said it to her outright (he should’ve gone to Rick and told him, though).
@dwayneb1047
3 ай бұрын
Really. Big facts. Just putting all the blame on lori because the shane simps will justify any evil action he does. Shane was responsible for the farm falling in the first place. Lori isnt responsible for anything except her own actions. People just like to act as if its entirely loris fault.
@tiabeaniesemotionalsupportdmon
3 ай бұрын
@@dwayneb1047 You are so correct.
@nikolaremesova4218
Ай бұрын
Looks like you’re the only normal and reasonable person in this comment section full of weird and loser tv show fans lol
@twilightgardenspresentatio6384
3 ай бұрын
I don’t see Lori as loyal, just in need of protectors
@milaycastillo5723
3 ай бұрын
She was as loyal as Rick was. But still, they weren't a happy couple before all that. The show starts by Rick telling this to Shane.
@tiabeaniesemotionalsupportdmon
3 ай бұрын
@@milaycastillo5723 People forget what kind of a man Rick was in Alexandria, though… he saw a woman he liked (Jessie Anderson) and who was in a toxic relationship, and found a way to get rid of her husband so he could get with her… just like Shane did.
@milaycastillo5723
3 ай бұрын
@@tiabeaniesemotionalsupportdmon So true
@Chippaization
2 ай бұрын
@@tiabeaniesemotionalsupportdmon Rick and carl did that family dirty
@inkassosjefen6315
Ай бұрын
You can be a loyal person in need of a protector
@rhyswallace3590
3 ай бұрын
I think what I get from Lori is that it's clear from a flashback at the beginning of s2 plus s1episode 1 that Lori and Rick's marriage was on the rocks prior to the apocalypse. They probably would've divorced had that not happened. Lori even questions if she loved rick in that flashback. I think you are correct about what brought shane and her together. But she sighted part of her frustration with Rick in those flashbacks as him not Getting angry with her and not putting her in her place. Something Shane does in the first episode when she walks off in a huff which led to them making out. I think she was drawn to Shane because he was exactly what Rick wasn't at that point. Assertive, tough, etc. Perhaps if the apocalypse hadn't happened they would've been together if her and Rick divorced. Plus it was at least 5 weeks Rick was in that comma. Quite quick to immediately hook up with him. If I had to guess it probably started the night Atlanta fell. And based on how they interacted it was far more than just a fling. Basically the thing is I actually think she loved Shane but didn't wanna admit it. If Rick didn't come back she'd have stayed with him. Definitely. I think as much as I dislike Andrea she was completely right about what she said to Lori in 18 miles out. Plus Shane probably would've recovered if he had the privilege of being Judiths dad. I mean it's not like the neighbors were gonna talk. Lol I agree her reaction to Rick's killing of Shane was mostly because of Carl but Rick needed her and she essentially emotionally abandoned him directly after he killed his best friend and brother for and largely because of her. That's why by season 3 their relationship is largely broken. And I think Lori definitely deserved the cold shoulder Rick gave her.
@TheRealCaptainGold
3 ай бұрын
I feel like Lori would’ve gotten less hate if they kept her just long enough to complete a redemption arc of some sort. It was sorta teased at, with her and Rick slowly mending their broken relationshit and her admitting her faults and doing nothing to rock the boat. Had she received a proper redemption arc, it would’ve made her death more impactful than the shock value it provided. That said, Lori did have feelings for Shane. It was confirmed by Kirkman. Those feelings are partially what fuels her self guilt. Although I think it was clear she loved Rick more. Him “dying” and returning served as the catalyst for Lori experiencing the cliche’ “you never know what you have until you lose it” motif.
@rhyswallace3590
3 ай бұрын
@@TheRealCaptainGold Agreed. I also think Shane despite how unstable he was never actually wanted to Kill Rick. I think he either wanted Rick to toughen up to ensure the safety of Lori, Carl and the baby or wanted Rick to Kill him again to prove to him he was willing to do anything to protect Them. Jon Bernthal even wanted the script to be changed to have his gun empty when confronting Rick. Re-watching I have a different perspective of Shane. He wasn't really a monster. In fact I now get increasingly annoyed by Dale. While he had some legitimate gripes with Shane I feel like maybe Dale had no right to make assumptions about him. "I know what kind of man you are" ...But do you, really ? Maybe you could make a video on weather or not Dale was right about Shane? Also maybe another interesting video topic would be when you Think the group began looking more to Rick to call the shots rather then Shane? I think Rick ultimately became the true Leader of the Group during the search for Sofia as around that time Shane's mental health declined after Otis.
@petter215jones
3 ай бұрын
So she knew Shane was dangerous but told him to don't leave the group and stay? Lol yeah she wanted to keep a bad dangerous man in the group.. why?
@mappingshaman5280
3 ай бұрын
She told him that before he did anything to make her think he was dangerous though. She told him to stay before he was getting angry about the weapons and the barn and before he wanted to kill Randall. The time she says shane is dangerous is after rick kills Randall's group which is after shane has been causing tension.
@DeadX2
3 ай бұрын
@@mappingshaman5280he litteraly tried to rape Lori (he was drunk but still) And was saying crazy stuff he adapted faster though Those are still reasons and she could of told him to leave and he wouldn’t of died She’s just a bitch who can’t make up her mind she’s manipulative she played both rick and Shane she even admits it
@basixs88
3 ай бұрын
Because women love being in danger, its a perfect mirror of the real world, they always love bad guys around 😂, ever wonder why most good guys are still single?
@Bureau_Of_Enigma_Affairs
3 ай бұрын
I also think she was trying to antagonize both Rick and Shane to fight each other because she wanted the man who won to look after herself, her son, and her unborn child. I don't think she cared about either but wanted a strong man to take care of her and lead the group but didn't want both of them around.
@DeadX2
3 ай бұрын
@@Bureau_Of_Enigma_Affairs exactly lol that’s her whole character
@justrantingtheblues
3 ай бұрын
Great video…although, I would disagree that Carl would be better off with Shane being a “father figure” because it’s not taking into account the fact Shane wasn’t an ideal father figure. There were plenty of viable “father figure” options at the camp. Also, Lori hooking up with Shane so fast completely ignores what Carl needed at that time. He didn’t need anymore confusion and their gross relationship, I would imagine, would have been extremely confusing.
@bettiebundy
3 ай бұрын
FYI if you hate or love a character this means that actor or actress did their job.
@arturmaxon2842
Ай бұрын
Not really
@AndHeShallAppear
6 күн бұрын
I’d say that’s the case about 60-70% of the time. Sometimes things happen and characters end up being hated when that’s not the intention, either because of the actor/actress, or just the way the character was written/set up
@Cnvivi
3 ай бұрын
She’s also a terrified traditional southern house wife. She was also clinging onto Shane cuz she knew it would keep her and Carl safe. Lori was never a survivor on her own she was just never built for twd world. She was absolutely terrified the whole time. It just makes me feel bad for her because she was completely lost in the post-apocalyptic world. Some ppl were never gonna make it. 😫
@Duke_Bootee24
3 ай бұрын
The moment you wanna see how shitty Lori is. Rewatch her reaction to when Rick first reunites with Carl and Carl runs to him lol. But yeah season 2 when she was chirping into Rick’s ear that Shane’s dangerous and blah blah but her 1st place moment of most shitty character moment was her reaction to finding out Shane died 🤣 🎤 drop.
@buffbread4226
3 ай бұрын
She was just shocked is all. I mean come on, they're in a zombie apocalypse and she fully exepts her husband to be dead due to his circumstances and Shane telling her. It took her some time to fully register what was happening in front of her.
@Duke_Bootee24
3 ай бұрын
@@buffbread4226 I call bullshit on that 😂
@PhoenixT70
Ай бұрын
@@buffbread4226 I’ve seen that look on someone’s face in reality. Trust me, it ain’t shock.
@sablerivera7095
2 ай бұрын
Sexual assault is never okay. It doesn't matter what was going on between them, giving any excuses to it is disgusting.
@emilylee7220
Ай бұрын
Yes! Thank you! I’m desperately scrolling through these comments trying to find an ounce of humanity, it’s like a war zone down here.
@bluebay1031
Ай бұрын
@@emilylee7220 An ounce of humanity irt to Lori overall or irt that specific situation??? Because Lori was objectively a bad person and a subpar mother post-apocalypse. Does it mean she deserves SA? Hell no, and anyone saying that can get thrown off a cliff. But the fact that she WAS SA’d isn’t an absolver, it doesn’t automatically make her NOT a bad person, and so far most of the comments here are simply calling out what she DID do, not blaming her for things she was a victim of.
@Berrygirl6784
Ай бұрын
Yaa its never ok just cause someone sexually assault you doesnt mean ur wrong is justified simple as that so stfu stop always bring SA emotions ...to show them victim... and create sympathy
@Berrygirl6784
Ай бұрын
@@bluebay1031bad person deserve SA both are bad so it doent matte...r
@EjdbdbDhshxnfnf
25 күн бұрын
Noone in these comments disagrees, thanks for pointing out the obvious
@NoodleKeeper
3 ай бұрын
If she had basically said "Look Shane, I'm sorry but Rick is alive and he's back. We can't be together anymore." That would have solved so many issues. Instead she accused him of lying, and then began to manipulate both men into hating each other. She didn't deserve the SA, but she was a terrible person in those instances. Also, yeah, constantly losing sight of her son and never knowing where the hell he was at any point in time.
@deadpooldan9862
3 ай бұрын
To be fair, it did kind of look like Shane was lying. He literally told her Rick was 100% dead, only for Rick to come back. It does look like he lied. As for putting them against each other, she didn’t. She told Rick Shane was dangerous because Rick couldn’t see that, unlike Dale. If it had come from Dale, it would have been ok, right? That’s stupid. As for Carl, it’s hard for parents to 100% know where their kids are at all times, especially on a farm, so you can’t fault Lori for Carl either lying or disobeying her
@NoodleKeeper
3 ай бұрын
@deadpooldan9862 Shane is portrayed as a good guy in the beginning. He did what he could to maybe protect Rick, but the military were going room to room, killing people. He's completely justified believing Rick is dead. She literally does drive a wedge between them. If Rick and Shane had just sat down and hashed things out, they might have been able to get back to some semblance of friendship, and kept Shane from literally going crazy. But instead she starts telling Rick he's dangerous while manipulating Shane from the other side. No one expects a parent to 100% always know, but Carl getting separated DURING AN APOCALYPSE happens way too fucking many times. After the first time, you'd think Laurie would be a bit more attentive, but she comes across rather neglectful.
@charlespc
2 ай бұрын
@@NoodleKeeperYeah, he moved the bed we see it's blocking Rick's door. Besides, he couldn't tell he was really dead, his pulse was so weak and there was the gunshots in the background. Shane was a good guy in the beginning.
@NoodleKeeper
2 ай бұрын
@charlespc Exactly. To say he left Rick for dead fails to recognize that Rick basically WAS dead. He was in a coma in a hospital that would eventually lose power and there were soldiers going door to door killing people. Shane MIGHT have been able to get Rick out of there, but more likely than not they would have both died if he tried.
@charlespc
2 ай бұрын
@@deadpooldan9862 Man, Rick was on a coma without food and nutrients, walkers and the army were killing everyone and the only thing that was protecting Rick was a goddamn door and the bed blocking It. He Made an assumption because It was 100% logically impossible for Rick to survive, Shane didn't know and was happy for him to be alive but he knew that things with Lori were going to turn into a complicated matter with Rick back. Yeah, Shane became crazy but It wasn't his fault or Rick's, It was Lori's. Rick understood that Shane and His wife had something and he wasn't angry, he said: "Well, you were alone and I was in a coma. Atlanta was being destoyed while I was taking a long nap, don't worry about It". Last thing: Lori had problems with Shane, but he tried to Resolve things peacefully by talking, thing that Lori didn't let him do. These circumstances made me think about Lori, she's an awful wife and person even. She uses Shane and when he snaps because of her manipulating him, she tells Rick to kill him, His own Damn Best friend. I don't hate Lori, but she Is pulling a lot of the strings behind the group's backs.
@valeriefedion6824
3 ай бұрын
Rick and Lori would have had problems with or without the end of the world.
@baeshin
3 ай бұрын
"Did Lori Deserve the Hate?" YES
@nikolaremesova4218
Ай бұрын
No.
@baeshin
Ай бұрын
@@nikolaremesova4218 Yes.
@thenewspiderman7019
Ай бұрын
Yes she deserves almost all of the hate
@libertyprime8964
3 ай бұрын
She sure moved on pretty quick…. And who the hell in their right mind hooks up with their dead best friend’s girl, talk about disrepect.
@theccc8318
3 ай бұрын
Under normal circumstances, sure that's reasonable, but these are not normal circumstances, this is the literal end of the world, trauma bonding is real.
@amara2882
3 ай бұрын
the world ended. your standards of what’s normal and moral don’t hold up in that type of world
@Skyline4017
3 ай бұрын
@@theccc8318 still doesn't change the fact that her "dead" husband's body didn't even have enough time to cool down and she already on someone else's schlong
@dwayneb1047
3 ай бұрын
Clown 😂🤡
@mochi1854
Ай бұрын
@@theccc8318 Trauma bonding didn't have to be fugging, the chick's literally got a kid and in an apocalypse. Talk about priorities.
@psal8715
3 ай бұрын
Shes the one who pushed shane into being a villain.. she really was the true villain of the first two seasons.
@milaycastillo5723
3 ай бұрын
Rick wasn't a badass then, Shane was a prick. In the first scene of the show we learn this. We love Rick because he became strong and always had good intentions. We love michonne because she admired Rick, but she knew him in different circumstances.
@guellaliguemra2321
2 ай бұрын
Pushed into being a villain 🤣🤣. How old was Shane again to be pushed to be a villain?
@nikolaremesova4218
Ай бұрын
A man goes crazy yes ofc blame the woman in the group!! 😂 you should get tested if you’re not a psychopath yourself
@Janessa163
Ай бұрын
he’s a grown man i don’t think he was pushed into being any kind of villain
@nikolaremesova4218
Ай бұрын
The biggest joke i’ve ever heard 😂😂😂 this is next level of delusional and crazy
@embracethymelanin_6518
3 ай бұрын
I don’t think Lori loyal was ride or die for/to Rick. Before everything happened they were fighting nonstop. She didn’t even cry when Shane told her Rick was shot. They definitely were headed to a divorce before everything took place. In my opinion Michonne was the opposite and everything that Lori was not. Although I don’t blame Lori for the affair it’s crazy to me that she didn’t even wait a month before getting with him meanwhile Michonne when almost ten years without being with anyone. I couldn’t even picture Michonne and Daryl together cause they were loyal to Rick. Unlike Lori and Shane. I feel like something was going on with Lori and Shane before Rick was shot and the outbreak happened cause they started up pretty quick after they assumed Rick died. Neither of them were truly loyal to Rick in my opinion.
@paulcarpenter7844
3 ай бұрын
💯
@deadpooldan9862
3 ай бұрын
No offense but you’re wrong because of one reason: the world went to hell. This isn’t like if Rick had just “died” in the line of duty, the world literally ended and Rick, as far as they knew, was 100% guaranteed dead, so that grief, coupled with the world ending, made them seek solace and comfort in each other, and when Rick came back, Lori ended the relationship because her husband was back. She was faithful to Rick and loved him, but she also couldn’t deny that Shane made her feel something, but it wasn’t love, just comfort.
@embracethymelanin_6518
3 ай бұрын
I think you skipped over the fact that I said I don’t blame them for the affair. But what is crazy she and Shane started the affair not even a few weeks after they start Rick was dead. And what you’re saying isn’t all the way accurate for 1 both Shane and Lori hinted out through both seasons that something more was always happening between them which is why it was so much easier for them to start their affair and 2 Lori been pitting Rick and Shane since Rick came back and then got mad when Rick killed Shane which is why they were basically divorced in season 3. Lori didn’t even grief the presumed death of Rick yes the world was started to end but we seen Rick grieve her death for a long while before Michonne shoot even with Jackie. The second time Rick was presumed dead Michonne didn’t even think of looking in Daryl’s way like that and even Daryl had a small crush on Michonne in season 4. They both were loyal to Rick so much so that the moment that there was a small of hint of Rick being alive both Michonne and Daryl went to go look for him.
@deadpooldan9862
3 ай бұрын
@@embracethymelanin_6518 the thing is, the world literally ended around them. The world ended and Rick died and all they had of their old lives were each other, so it makes sense they’d seek solace in each other, that they’d start something that’s meant to be more about forgetting than love. Rick even understands this, which is why he doesn’t hate them for the affair because they genuinely thought he was dead and the world had gone to shit. You can bring up Michonne all you want, but that genuinely doesn’t apply here because she was already used to this world, while Lori and Shane were just thrown into it and had no idea how to navigate it. Keep in mind Lori ended it when Rick came back and didn’t give any hints she wanted to start it back up, she just talked about it in past tense and thanked Shane for saving her and Carl, something Shane interpreted as romantic when it wasn’t. Ultimately it’s Shane who decided he deserved Lori when he didn’t, and that’s what led to Rick killing him. He even regretted it happened and would have taken it back if he could, he literally told Rick this.
@Zeroshiki
2 ай бұрын
What happened before the apocalypse is mostly irrelevant in this context. The entire franchise goes out of its way to make that point. Everything changed and she still stuck by him after realizing he was alive. These types of situations usually make people realize what's really important. She just couldn't stop being a people pleaser or making snap decisions and that's what her issue was. Also, comparing one person to another and judging everyone by the standard of one person makes no sense. Everyone reacts differently to different situations, especially traumatic ones.
@rickykeim2005
3 ай бұрын
I think that it would been Smarter to Just let Shane Leave the Group instead of Keeping him around and sending all those Mixed Messages. the whole conflict between Rick and Shane could have been avoided entirely if Shane Left but it seems like she Kept him around knowing exactly what would eventually happen and that just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. unless she wanted to be fought over like some kind of Trophy or something like that.
@Chippaization
2 ай бұрын
She's like a lady on Real house wives of X, Y or Z just making drama for drama not thinking any real consequences would happening
@cinnamoonfang6104
3 ай бұрын
4:15 its not that she was loyal to Rick, its the way she ended her relationship with Shane. That is definitely not how to tie loose ends. There's nothing to commend how she just abandoned Shane like nothing happened at all. It's almost as if they're not mature adults that can handle an adult and mature conversation. She wasn't completely being fair to Shane. I'm sure if the two actually handled this responsibly, there wouldn't break which is the straw that broke the camel's back. Ultimately its Lori's fault for how Shane eventually started straying off. Personally I think Shane deserves the right to father or be a guardian to Judith
@milaycastillo5723
3 ай бұрын
She wasn't in love with Shane. She was presented with the option and she took it for her safety and Carl's. That's all. The disdain for Shane came because of that. She sacrificed herself for a liar. That's what she thought.
@cinnamoonfang6104
3 ай бұрын
@@milaycastillo5723 I never said she was in love with Shane, they had a relationship, that much is fact that you can't deny.
@milaycastillo5723
3 ай бұрын
@cinnamoonfang6104 all I'm saying is she didn't love him. Maybe that's why she was quick to abandon him when Rick appeared.
@eglop5841
Ай бұрын
Hooking up with your husbands best friend is never okay even if you think he’s dead.
@petter215jones
3 ай бұрын
Come on.. we all know she does... lol but we gonna watch the video anyway to remind us why we hated her.
@sydnitheromantictaylor112
3 ай бұрын
The main thing I fault Lori on is telling Shane how she felt and that he wasn't the only one when she knew his mental state wasn't good. Then she got pissed at Rick when he admitted to killing Shane when it was her who told Rick that he as dangerous.
@daniellico9089
3 ай бұрын
Lori was just a 304 in an apocalyptic world
@youlikemyyellowdress6098
3 ай бұрын
Lori grimes was survived from apocalypse from July 2010 to June 2011 since Outbreaks begans July 2010 so Lori grimes was dies on june 22 2011 on 3×04
@daniellico9089
Ай бұрын
@@youlikemyyellowdress6098 haha thanks man that’s awesome
@mcdiyqjr5163
3 ай бұрын
The only two reasons I don’t like the idea of Shane and Lori is because she moved on quite fast and got with her husband’s best friend
@BigBootyDuty
3 ай бұрын
That's common, in fact some guys regularly make it a thing to visit funerals in order to pick up women. As weird as it sounds, grief is a pretty powerful emotion that can override even the most basics of logic and reasoning. You see this quite alot in the military, with stories of soldiers who went AWOL and were pronounced deceased, only to return home later to find their wives have remarried.
@rainbow_doglover8301
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, and he got together with his best friend’s wife
@nikolaremesova4218
Ай бұрын
You must don’t like Shane too then. He broke the bro code and threw his and Rick’s friendship away because of a woman. Not to mention he tried to kill Rick like 3 times
@ErinJeanette
3 ай бұрын
Lori deserved almost all the bullshit Skylar got. I totally agree with you, my daughter and I said the same thing.
@nrjdohhg5
3 ай бұрын
People seem to forget Lori only told Rick that Shane was dangerous after Dale told her that he had killed Otis. Dale changed her mind about him and guess what? They were both right. Shane's mentality is NOT Lori's responsibility, he did all that to himself, and his fans don't wanna understand that he was a grown ass man responsible for his own actions. It takes TWO to tango, you all hate Lori but love Shane for doing the same, bunch of hypocrites.
@fatifigures143
Ай бұрын
It is wrong because Shane is her husband best friend, Maggie husband was killed as well and she focused on her kid. Michonne was on the "watched" Rick died and decided to focus on her kids. Lori apologist are so funny. She was a horrible character and so was Shane.
@johnmcconnell7052
3 ай бұрын
Lets see. Starts the situation that causes rick and shane to fight ending in one of them dying then hating the survivor. Selfish doesnt think things through fails to be a decent person. Being against the idea of teaching her kid how to be independent and help out in operations.
@stevengardner3192
3 ай бұрын
Well... she wasn't very helpful, she was indecisive, not that smart, wasn't a good wife and supportive of Rick. She just wasn't meant for the zombie apocalypse. That's just in my opinion.
@doctortimetv1577
3 ай бұрын
yes she was sociopathic pitting two best friends against one another
@charlene4419
3 ай бұрын
bro what??? She isn't sociopathic, I think that's far fetched, you have to meet certain, multiple criteria for that
@heloisaalmeida1243
3 ай бұрын
Yeah yeah and shane isn't wrong for sleeping with dead best friend wife right?
@charlene4419
3 ай бұрын
@@heloisaalmeida1243 they both thought he was dead for christ sake!! I don't blame them, it was also good for Carl cause he had a father figure
@heloisaalmeida1243
3 ай бұрын
@@charlene4419 Shane and Lori didn't start their relationship AFTER Rick was supposedly dead. Probably they started while he was alive since they were that close. Both of them are wrong and I can understand they were trying to cope with grief in their own way but is still something, at least, dishonest
@charlene4419
3 ай бұрын
@@heloisaalmeida1243 How do you know that they started before Rick's ''death''? As far as I know there is no proof or no one has talked about it (I could be wrong here). I do think they should've told him at least earlier, but I guess they had their reasons, even if selfish
@Fuegoaries
3 ай бұрын
As for the last point when she was talking to Rick, yes she was right though some of wha she said didn’t have to be said, it’s more so the way she worded her sentences she could’ve lightened it like he’s a danger etc, but the way it was worded and the tone kinda makes it look like she was just pitting them against each other even though she was right about him and everyone already knew it anyways💯
@caseyhart4999
3 ай бұрын
People should never feel bad for hating a character even if it’s for the most trivial reason. This is fiction after all.
@TheRealCaptainGold
3 ай бұрын
Idk. Depends on why you hate them. It’d be pretty bad to hate a black character just because they’re black lol
@pyerack
3 ай бұрын
She is the one who poured gasoline into the Rick v Shane situation. Yes.
@nikolaremesova4218
Ай бұрын
Shane did that himself 😂
@apocalypseready6256
Ай бұрын
Lori was a hot mess but the way that fandom has used her supposed “seductress” ways as a manipulative woman who drove Shane crazy really shows the underlying misogyny of this fandom. There are plenty of reasons to dislike her that don’t include absolving Shane of his shitty character and actions (which are not the responsibility of anyone but his crappy ass self)-and that’s not even mentioning the SA that most fans seem to conveniently forget about or pretend doesn’t exist. I really didn’t like Lori but honestly, wasn’t that mad at her in the end. She tried her best in her final moments and her death was brutal, finally confirming that she did at least care about her son (in spite of her many failings as a mother). I learned to let the resentment go because really, at some point it just becomes an excuse to hate her.
@EjdbdbDhshxnfnf
25 күн бұрын
White knight some more 😂
@Riddler3
3 ай бұрын
I'm not even going to watch the video but came in here and say yes, absolutely yes.
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