Having tested out the Vision Pro, I'd argue the v64 passthrough has a similar look to the Vison Pro's. I mostly notice the color accuracy, while it isn't true to life, it's a much better experience. It's a fairly large improvement and a very welcomed change!
@bc_labs
4 ай бұрын
I would definitely be careful to over promise for people who have used a Vision Pro, because I do think using that comparison it's still a bit of a reach. I think Apple stores do a very good job at perfecting the lighting for the Vision Pro, so it really sets people's expectations high. I'm not used it in other environments so it might be closer in a indoor dimly lit environment like at home, but I think on average the quest 3 still Flags behind by I don't know 20% or 35% in terms of best case Clarity of both. But I think being a little worse that its totally worth it for the cost difference. You are paying 10 times increase in cost for a difference in Clarity that is fractional
@txbased1752
5 ай бұрын
I read a bottle from a distance and Noticed a difference in the actual visual quality of the bottle in my room and looks more natural
@S1MONSAYSVR
5 ай бұрын
This is a welcomed update to be honest. I'm not sure if i dare try a PTC version again, given i got all sorts of issues last time i opted in for V63. But I'm looking forward to they improving this in the updates to come. I think the next iteration of quest, or even the "pro 2" will have passthrough thats a much bigger bump up from what we see now. Will help tremendously on the initial wowfactor for new adopters but also be a better experience with longer MR-Sessions.
@theDubleD
5 ай бұрын
That and the warping, if that could be eliminated as well that would be bonkers! I saw a post on Reddit, if you cover 1 of the bottom forward facing camera's you could eliminate the warping with no real issues. I did it with my finger once and it did seem to work a little, but i didn't want to put a sticker on to test further.
@bc_labs
5 ай бұрын
I definitely think that did some trade-offs, and I'm not going to say that it's a Vision Pro level experience passthrough wise, but it definitely seemed a bit better and I definitely could tell Clarity from a distance was improved. I'm kind of wondering if they increased their sampling Wright fps, at the cost of getting less light per frame since it does seem noticeably dimmer on video. I didn't notice that as much when I was actually wearing it though. Honestly I wish they would just give us some sliders and let us manually adjust it, because everyone's lighting is differently and you could have an auto feature that is mostly good, but let us override it if we have a different environment, or different wants.
@bc_labs
5 ай бұрын
@theDubleD I hadn't heard about that, but it would make sense that it's probably a stitching issue between their different cameras and they haven't quite got that fixed. I would have figured covering up the cameras would make it worse though since you're reducing the information you have to work with, but interesting. The warping is quite annoying I wish that there was less correction around bringing your hands close to your face. I don't even care if it's at the sacrifice of quality because I feel like it's honestly more of an annoyance than the passthrough grain itself. It's something that Apple Vision Pro definitely did a good job of minimizing
@coopermatthewsprivate
2 ай бұрын
@@theDubleDthey did it man, software update!!
@beautyofflightsimulation2349
5 ай бұрын
I just tried it in the evening with only the update process in between the before and the after. Normally everything was super dark and grainy (totally unusable). My monitor (only lightsource in my computer room) was always a washed out blob of light. After the update everything looked way more natural and I could even read texts on my monitor and watch TV. My living room suddenly looked very much like it does in reality (aside from of course some grain, glare and lack of resolution). I'm really curious to how it will look during the day tomorrow, but for the first time it's actually usable in the evening even in moderately dimmed light environments.
@bc_labs
5 ай бұрын
Glad to hear it's making a difference for everyone! Was a much needed change
@Notagain640
5 ай бұрын
Just installed v64. Definitely an improvement in passthrough. Difficult to put a number on it, but if it was 5/10 before, it feels like a 6-6.5/10 now. To be honest, i was always happy with the passthrough. Warpping is still there.
@bc_labs
5 ай бұрын
I think that's a perfect way of describing it. I didn't know if I could put a number to it, since it is so subjective and there were kind of pluses and minuses. But I'd say going up a point to point and a half off of a 10-point scale makes sense. Honestly until I use the Vision Pro I was totally okay with the pass through, now I'm itching to see better and better, but I appreciate every step towards Improvement. The warping is definitely a bigger point of frustration for me since the bed disorienting at times. I did my best to do the comparison, but it's pretty hard when you have to record a before and after with the same device and hope you line everything up, lol. Thanks for weighing in!
@humeid
5 ай бұрын
it's not a blacebo effect. i suddenly noticed that looking at screens ha bece much clearer an passthrough in general had less noise even in pretty low light. only after i notice tires did i learn that my headset has gone to v64 and that other people were reporting improvements. it's actually pretty amazing.
@bc_labs
5 ай бұрын
Yeah it was difficult showing it in video but I tried, it's more for me that the clarity is better at further distances, and perhaps maybe in lower lighting
@BritishBoy
5 ай бұрын
This is really exciting! I have plenty of faith that the hardware is fully capable of looking amazing, we just need to see this kind of improvement and work coming from Meta to get it to that point. Thanks for the comparison :)
@ZachMemes
5 ай бұрын
I've recently purchased a quest 3 and I've been facing problems with the Link cable whenever I try to link it to PC it just has some stuttering and some lag running some basic apps like steamVR even though it's connected with the USB 3 cable the stutter makes it completely unplayable for some games like blade and sorcery and The walking Dead saints and sinners those are the main games that have tried to play but I have saved online and there are a lot of people facing the same issue as I am. I've tried so many methods to fix it such as decreasing resolution and decreasing frame rates through the Oculus app I just hope this gets fixed in like some later updates
@bc_labs
5 ай бұрын
Have you considered using Wi-Fi streaming instead? Steam link, virtual desktop, and airlink all offer pretty good experiences. I would recommend testing out steam link from the quest store. It's ideal to have a dedicated wifi 6e router for this, but if you don't have too many devices on your network you can probably still have a pretty enjoyable experience if your router is fairly new like at least Wi-Fi 5. I understand that using a Link cable technically can provide the best experience, but in practice I think it's minimally better, and more physically limiting. There are a lot more options also, versus going through link I think generally you always have to use the Oculus PC app for my understanding. Even if you're using steamVR it has to run through oculuses run time. Steam Link and virtual desktop completely bypass this.
@jaxoninvr334
4 ай бұрын
i have a similar issue, it keeps having this distortion with lag when i look around (with a 3.0 port btw), it also seems to cut my Oculus Link connection out of nowhere, when i use any other port it runs fine and actually has a HIGHER framerate, i get around 50fps on B&S (low graphics) and 72fps (max) on beat saber, when i play TWD i play on medium-high settings and get about 40fps, it seems like 3.0 ports just have a tendency to lag, stutter, and disconnect from link, For Reference i have a GTX 1070, Ryzen 5 2600, 16GB Ram (minimum-ish specs)
@Cusa_
4 ай бұрын
didnt even know a passthrough update happened and i had to search for this video cuz i was able to read my phone without turning the brightness down, 100% there is a difference
@bc_labs
4 ай бұрын
They definitely tuned it, more people experience improvements that don't although a few people still seem to be experiencing about the same quality as before
@Kumodot
4 ай бұрын
After v64 screens look easier to read, BUT at the same time I started experiencing a strong shuttering if I have my phone in front of me and keep moving it around. It seems the screen is been processed separately to adjust exposure, and it could be causing it. Does anyone notice that ?
@bc_labs
4 ай бұрын
I have occasionally noticed that, even before this update. It feels like sometimes it slows down the pastor processing a bit and it gets a little stuttery. Not sure if it the correlates with battery level or if I have too many apps running or if it's just random
@__Peter
5 ай бұрын
yea i cant see my phone or computer monitors everything is grainy like yours look so clear
@bc_labs
5 ай бұрын
When you record unfortunately the quality is different, since it's condensed on a smaller screen recordings on Quest and through the lens are always far less grainy than it looks in headset.
@sorrefly
5 ай бұрын
This is amazing how in the recordings there is NO graininess whatsoever while it is there when wearing the headset. Just so when you share videos it seems like a flawless experience. Even if i love the quest, it has always felt like a scam for me
@bc_labs
5 ай бұрын
That's why I try to record through the lens but it still doesn't help because you're not blowing up a 1080p picture to the size of a TV when you're watching on your phone or your laptop. The graining is only appears if you were to be in the headset or if you were to blow it up on a massive display
@patfish3291
5 ай бұрын
My Passthrough looks in V64 PTC way darker and more yellow than before :( ... I really loved the bright Passtrouhg, but now I feel like in a dark Cave - but can read 0,2 seconds faster text on my smartphone :/ I really hope this will not make its way in the final release! For me, it ruins the whole AR experience. The Quest 3 is its only 100Nits not a bright HMD (PSVE 265Nits, VisionPro 500Nits) and got now even Darker in AR :( ... I have already flashed back to V63 (had to install evening from scratch again)
@bc_labs
5 ай бұрын
Unfortunately I think it's a delicate balance due to everyone's lighting differences, and Camera hardware slight differences (more than one manufacturer was used iirc) I think Meta needs to have am auto mode by default, but let us use sliders to override settings on passthrough to better adapt to our needs. I run my headset at like 1/2 brightness or 3/4 brightness, because it can be excessively bright. I think passthrough got obviously dimmer, but Clarity seems better. That's a person to person decision that meta shouldn't be making for everyone. Give us control to override default settings.
@crustypaff452
4 ай бұрын
I dont notice the different at all for this update...
@sneedtube
5 ай бұрын
Hi, if possible I would like to know what is the full version number for the v64 release. Thanks
@bc_labs
4 ай бұрын
I'll see if I can grab it, but unfortunately there are a lot of individual builds because for example I have 64, but I do not have multimodal support yet which has been rolling out over the last few months
@Mcs1v
5 ай бұрын
Hey! Thanks for the video! Are you developing something to the quest 3 or you are just using as an "end user"?
@bc_labs
5 ай бұрын
I have been tinkering with a project to develop for the headset but it's very very early so no comment yet. I think the headset needs a lot more productivity focused apps and tools especially even flat apps that can run similar to the office suite that recently came. So I have a couple ideas that I'd like to push forward but we'll see
@GamerBenke
5 ай бұрын
Image warping around our hands is still there? 🤔
@bc_labs
5 ай бұрын
Unfortunately yes. Seems roughly thr same
@MegaDeano1963
5 ай бұрын
Have you had any issues with moisture detection on the usb c , and has it been improved on update ?
@bc_labs
5 ай бұрын
I have been fortunate to not have this issue. I have heard it mentioned that it might be fixed with this update but I'm not sure
@MegaDeano1963
5 ай бұрын
Thanks for reply .
@deekynbrown4602
5 ай бұрын
I just got my Meta Quest 3 and i can't read my phone while in passthrough (really blurry) and the space appears to be really staticky. I have tried areas in my house that have extremely well lighting and still no change. Is it possible that i have a defective unit?
@bc_labs
5 ай бұрын
Unfortunately it seems to be a bit of a crapshoot between not being able to read one's phone at all and be able to read it semi okay, from the factory. Your experience is far from uncommon, but there are some people like myself who are able to read their phones through their pass through at least in moderate lighting and so it's a little different for everyone This update has seemed to help a lot of people but not everyone, but that's purely based on anecdotal evidence cuz meta hasn't come out and said that this update was intentioned to be a pass through Improvement. I don't want to go as far as saying your unit is defective, but it does seem that meta used a couple different brands of cameras when they were manufacturing the quest, and there does seem to be a mild difference in quality either between the cameras or between the way that meta is tuning and how that affects certain cameras. This is exactly why I think it's important for meta to give us the tools to tune our own pass-through parameters a bit whether it's sliders or some adjustment knobs because not everyone's lighting situation in their home/environment/country is going to be the same. They already let us manually override the frequency for tracking to avoid problems in countries with different electrical frequencies. I think this is another important step, and leave auto mode for people who are satisfied.
@-Madi
5 ай бұрын
just get the ptc update (v64)
@bc_labs
5 ай бұрын
@@-Madi I would agree, but they need to know then if I ever decide to leave the PTC they will have to factory reset their headset. That's really the only downside
@maryellenhonkomp1082
5 ай бұрын
There has been no difference to my passthrough with the V64 and I have all lights on at the brightest level.
@bc_labs
5 ай бұрын
Was your pass through already pretty decent beforehand? Mine was already pretty decent compared some of the others I've seen, and the difference was less massive for me. It was noticeable comma because it seemed like Overall brightness went down comma but Clarity seemed to go up. I used to not be able to read text until I was like a few inches away, but now that's a little further out like two or three feet in some cases. There are still definitely a grain effect like they're always has been, it's just less pronounced.
@maryellenhonkomp1082
5 ай бұрын
@@bc_labsit was never very good and after using for a day it’s much worse
@WertyTT4
5 ай бұрын
i don’t really care about pass through all i care is the background audio playback being choppy
@bc_labs
5 ай бұрын
On your headset? I've not had that issue, interesting
@terrancehornsby4292
5 ай бұрын
Is scoped storage fixed with v64 ?
@bc_labs
5 ай бұрын
Honestly I did not realize there was an issue with scope storage. Like was there an issue with permissions and moving files between different layers of the file system?
@terrancehornsby4292
5 ай бұрын
@@bc_labs yeah they said they were gunna fix it but it’s been like 3 weeks now
@mohammadali3904
5 ай бұрын
Hello.. How to get the updated ?? It's not showing up on my meta quest 3 ???
@bc_labs
5 ай бұрын
Edit: They are rolling out update v64 now, so over the next few weeks you should see the update available. Old: You have to join the public test Channel via the app which requires you to be willing to get early builds of updates, sometimes with more bugs. Also if you ever decide to opt out of the PTC your headset gets wiped to go back a version. So you have to be willing to go through that process.
@ULTIMATEPATCHES
4 ай бұрын
They've started rolling it out, you should receive it within 3 weeks or so, likely sooner. No need to join the PTC channel.
@bc_labs
4 ай бұрын
@@ULTIMATEPATCHES this is correct. I should amend my previous comment now that they've started
@ULTIMATEPATCHES
4 ай бұрын
@@bc_labs Yea, they just started prolly after your comment. Great vid by the way, thank you for that!
@bc_labs
4 ай бұрын
@@ULTIMATEPATCHES I am glad you liked it! Thank you
@nordicscandinavia2300
3 ай бұрын
V63 looks better
@bc_labs
3 ай бұрын
V63 was definitely more vibrant, but v64 definitely has seemed more clear for me. Unfortunately it's all trade offs, unless they start doing some computationally expensive ai upscaling
@Selfreplyingbot
5 ай бұрын
Useless comparison.
@baronofbile
5 ай бұрын
Useless comment
@KnightlyFinance
5 ай бұрын
@@baronofbilefr
@carlossfiesta
5 ай бұрын
@@baronofbileliterally
@liameneuk
5 ай бұрын
I mean whatever. After trying the AVP, my quest has been collecting dusts.
@bc_labs
5 ай бұрын
AVP is very nice. It's also expensive, and lacks many VR games. Different strokes. I'd have both if I could justify the price point of the AVP for productivity, but at least at the time of my last demo, I couldn't.
@marcincudo5116
5 ай бұрын
There is so many great games on MQ. Just do some reaserch man.
@Therealziro
5 ай бұрын
@@marcincudo5116 bro the lags makes it so ass bro, look at the passthrough not one frame of perfection. of course apple priced it at what they did bc wtf is that quality bro its like a meta verse for android software (disgusting)
@ericdudeus
5 ай бұрын
@@Therealziro stop glazing
@Therealziro
5 ай бұрын
@@ericdudeus ironic bc your doing that by saying that. you love your metaquest so bad you recommend its shit quality to your pals? shit friend. quality over everything
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