Perez's mega defense in 2021 Abu Dhabi (helped Max win the title): kzitem.info/news/bejne/2YqE2oiBjqOqoYY So even if Perez really did crash purposely, I personally think he still should get that little help from Max in Brazil 2022. The teamwork he did for Max in 2021 Ahu Dhabi is too big.
@H3nry2077
Жыл бұрын
I agree even if the crash was on purpose what he did to help Max outweighs that 1000x
@wegewege1217
Жыл бұрын
Yeah Max and His Fans are too childish to understand this
@kronzomg
Жыл бұрын
Disagree. Once you intentionally screw your teammate over, you've now changed the game we're playing from helping each other out when my stakes are low, to disadvantaging the other guy, on purpose, for your own gain. All max is doing is saying, ok you started this petty shit not me, two can play at that game.
@amnzash9292
Жыл бұрын
max is behaving like a child just like seb vettel at his prime with red bull
@wegewege1217
Жыл бұрын
@@kronzomg Checo only screwing Max once in Monaco, compared to how many times Max screwed Kimi,Seb and especially His teammate Daniel in 2016-2018 it's nothing but Childish Mindset from Max
@dominicrusho
Жыл бұрын
I can’t believe Checo ruined Max’s season and Championship hopes with this appalling incident
@NJ0711
Жыл бұрын
Right? Max has every right to be angry in my honest opinion
@boop9239
Жыл бұрын
🐭champion
@alexandershaw2378
Жыл бұрын
Yes how incredibly senseless he was, such a terrible human being and an even more horrible team mate 😒
@hmh2459
Жыл бұрын
Do you know when Checo crashed on purpose, Max was still fighting neck and neck with the Ferraris right?
@boskofilipovic1927
Жыл бұрын
Ruined by winning 2 championships
@wellnowweretalking
Жыл бұрын
Leaving the whole controversy aside for a while, I just want to say this is a great channel. Sometimes we get so immersed in the sport that we tend to forget the objectivity that telemetry brings to light.
@PozzaPizz
Жыл бұрын
It's the best channel for F1 because you get such in depth tidbits. Nobody does this
@pedroelias9633
Жыл бұрын
Latifi did the same last year
@apoxesportsteam
Жыл бұрын
@@PozzaPizz there are dozens of channels that do this lmao
@Cynycter
Жыл бұрын
Telemetry only shows what happened. It does not prove intent.
@wellnowweretalking
Жыл бұрын
@@Cynycter I know, that's what I meant. I wasn't speaking about intent, who knows why happened what happened in Monaco. It's just neat to know from an objective point what happened.
@Giancodm1
Жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see all drivers flying lap's telemetry on those two Monaco turns
@rishabmeh32
Жыл бұрын
I can guarantee you no one would be full throttle aggressively while turning because if they did we would have seen them spin haha
@r00ks
Жыл бұрын
@@rishabmeh32 i guarantee you that the shown telemetry is not the real telemetry.
@rishabmeh32
Жыл бұрын
@@r00ks Well if that’s the case and Perez only blipped ~1/3 of the throttle or so, then he’s innocent and unlucky. It did sound way more than a third though
@Mav86asian
Жыл бұрын
@@rishabmeh32 he’s on the brakes at the same time, in RWD cars and karts, that will rotate the tail of the car. This was 100% deliberate.
@wespicedmemes
Жыл бұрын
Also notice how much he’s turning the wheels. His steering is way more…idk what word to use here but, turned during the crash clip.
@Daresco
Жыл бұрын
What makes it still unrealistic to me is that Perez was just at P3, but had the pace to challenge for the pole at that weekend. From P3, you usually don't win at Monaco. It only worked out because Ferrari did Ferrari things again on Sunday, but Perez couldn't have known that on sunday. So why would he take such a risk (also to destroy his gearbox or anything else as Leclerc did the year before) just for a P3 starting position?
@joaoandrade2828
Жыл бұрын
P3 but ahead of Max. Being ahead of Max was what mattered the most for him, as Max was starting to pull away in the title fight.
@Daresco
Жыл бұрын
@@joaoandrade2828 In the race they might have switched as well. Being P3 ahead of P4 is a 3 point difference, while being P1 to P2 for example would be 7 points. It just makes no sense to me to do something risky like that for a P3 start.
@joaoandrade2828
Жыл бұрын
@@Daresco but he didn't believe he could get P1 as he was down on his previous lap. Afraid of being outqualified by Max, he slammed the throttle pedal and didn't even correct it (deliberation). More than enough reasons.
@viking_2112
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Monaco is such a big risk
@dantton1987
Жыл бұрын
Ok. Now try and explain the telemerey difference. Is Checo just that bad at driving?
@BeatsByYari
Жыл бұрын
Horner and Helmut loved the deliberate crash so much they gave him a 2 year extension at Red Bull. Checo defended his P3 so extremely well!
@abhisheksarangi7184
Жыл бұрын
He confessed it to them later dumbfuck, and perez signed the contract before the race
@samuraibirds917
Жыл бұрын
Checo should leave that backstabbin fraud of a team and fanbase. A lot of fans claim it now but its absurd. Not only that. If it was true then both the FIA and RBR are now eligble for fraud. The FIA checks the qualification and the race after every event. You want to tell me that some Reddit amateurs could find a case of cheating but the FIA didn't? and if Checo told RBR that he did something (deliberate crash) which comprised the race of others, that could've resulted in a lifetime ban, it would mean that RBR held back information. They only complain now because it affected Max's legacy, meaning they were okay with cheating. Now the season actually makes sense. Perez went from Legend for RBR fans to how can we collectively catch him cheating. Somehow some amateurs on Reddit could find Perez cheating but the FIA couldn't make a proper case to punish Checo. They should check the Dutch GP as well.
@glorious_help
Жыл бұрын
they did the extension before Monaco GP
@dxisy3700
Жыл бұрын
@Javier Gonzalez the signing was much earlier than the gp but they announced it after monaco gp.. u can find the vids about checo talked about his extension
@a.m.armstrong8354
Жыл бұрын
@@glorious_help They weren't able to reverse that, in light of Checho's revelations, plus asked Verstappen to do something despite his putting it all on the table beforehand, what his position was. To make matters worse, Horner (who Checho 'confessed' to), apologises to Checho in public, despite knowing what was happening! Never bring commonsense to an idiot's ballgame. The giveaway to Verstappen's lie is the 'are we clear about that?' Line. Implying that something had been discussed earlier. No. Verstappen was pissed at having been passed by Hamilton, despite doing his utmost to engineer 'a racing incident'.. His last outburst of this nature was in the season's opener when he said over the radio "never again ask me..." On that occasion nobody suggested Checho's spin and engine failure was engineered to take Hamilton out. We'd have been consigned to loony land, which is precisely where Verstappen goes when things don't go his way.
@ej20tnz
Жыл бұрын
One thing you've missed to point out, is that in the Q3-B run hes about 10kph slower at the apex, it may have been his intention to apex slower but go on throttle earlier and more aggressively to carry that advantage down the tunnel.
@davidleonard6285
Жыл бұрын
No, imposible. If you want to exit of a corner with better traction - acceleration, you need to do a late apex and that in Mónaco its impossible because you only have one correct line. And if you exit with more traction you apply maybe 5-10% more of throthle, you don't go with 100% at the begining. Deja de decir chingaderas wuevon.
@ArielGonzalez1
Жыл бұрын
the angle he was upto (steering), makes it seem that it wasn't intentional
@perbor24
Жыл бұрын
if you look in the video he has a massive amount of steering on and you never ever go full throttle with that much steering you will 100 % of the time spin. no professional or amateur racing drive would make such a mistake. plus he gives full throttle before he hits the apex and that is also something a professional driver would never do.
@stephensegal5187
Жыл бұрын
No. I raced "overpowered" open wheel road racing for years. That was 100% deliberate.
@Vvopat96
Жыл бұрын
Yeap with f1 cars, you never can full throttle with steering that much, actually you can only throttle full when at high speed, not even when you are straight. They know that
@JohananJoysingh
Жыл бұрын
2:16-2:18 Watch it frame by frame and you'd see that he was going almost 10kmph slower. At 2:18 you can see that on his normal lap he was at the corner already. In his crashed lap, just before he blipped, he was not at the apex yet. He braked a bit more. I just think he blipped to compensate for that mistake. He would have wanted to improve on his lap surely and he would have sensed that the car was slowing down faster than he expected. Also, right after the blip, you can see that he is braking hard, he realises that he has made a mistake. .. I find no reason for him to do this. That too so far ahead in the season. I hope people think twice before character assassinations.
@wicklash9065
Жыл бұрын
You know he cheated on his wife after the gp right? Everything about checo that weekend was shady. As to why he would do this? Slow speed, low damages. To keep his position over max, And because he was in the fight for the championship at the time. Monaco is a hardplace to overtake, it would make sense checo would want to ensure he gets pole to get the edge over max.
@BatMan-oe2gh
Жыл бұрын
I spotted that as well. He was slower and as such probably thought he could accelerate earlier due to his slower speed.
@wicklash9065
Жыл бұрын
F1 drivers are highly trained individuals who dont make rookie mistakes like that. And letme tell you, if you ever get the chance to play a simulator. Youll quickly find that full throttle, even going ina straight line will make you spin if youre not going fast, or really careful. Checo hits full throttle beforehes even turned in the corner. Its plain to see.
@napalmhotdog4365
Жыл бұрын
Regardless of his reasons. It’s not normal for him to do this. (I’m not a verstappen fan at all btw) This is genuinely weird, he knows getting on the throttle like this is not going to help in anyway. If this telemetry is correct, Perez without question caused the crash on purpose, or he was just a complete idiot. Not saying that he did this to get to max or anything like that. But it’s either he did it on purpose, or he made an error so amateur that a drunk mazepin wouldn’t have made
@xz3r0r
Жыл бұрын
@@wicklash9065 but he didn't get pole lol
@Razor921
Жыл бұрын
The one thing people keep forgetting is that Alonso also crashed at almost exactly the same time. Session would have been redflagged whether Perez crashed (intentionally or not) either way, making the whole grudge even pettier if Monaco is the reason.
@user-qt2we6mb6k
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I hard agree on it being petty but IF there was intent from Checo then that is pretty shitty either way. Dumb ass situation all around.
@MeltingRubberZ28
Жыл бұрын
How the eff would any other driver know another one crashed hard enough to bring out a red flag
@amilcarsafeca7629
Жыл бұрын
@@Lonzz_14 No, what counts is the fact that it changed nothing and takes nothing away from the insurmountable help that Checo gave Max last year and even this year. Its an incredibly petty move filled with arrogance.
@ruben_m8907
Жыл бұрын
It's not the result that matters but the intent. You still go to jail for attempted murder...
@amilcarsafeca7629
Жыл бұрын
@@ruben_m8907 This is incomparable to murder at all, it takes a lot more proof than something like this, and if I use dumb logic too, normally people get rewarded for being as good as Checo was to Max, particularly when it counts. But yeah go off.
@rewolfer
Жыл бұрын
Yeah that is very odd. Definitely think it's important to move past issues though and look at the full picture. Overall Checo's support for max has far exceeded any hindrance. Max ought to honor that.
@de4ds1ghtcsgo94
Жыл бұрын
Perez paid for it now. Verstappen is not that childish
@adzhadahalan5702
Жыл бұрын
Another Alonso. Great. That's what we need
@gs6205
Жыл бұрын
Fuck Checo...you don't do shit like this, period!
@very_smug4748
Жыл бұрын
@@de4ds1ghtcsgo94 The reason max has 2 is because of Checo. Red Bull 2021 - Checo = Lewis 8 time world champion
@MikeTHEBOSS
Жыл бұрын
@@very_smug4748 or he would have had a teammate who could actually take points during the whole season. Checo was shit and useless most of 2021
@yourtubisfilled7164
Жыл бұрын
Great analysis, thanks. Doesn't excuse Max disappointing stance in Brazil but it is enlightening.
@pwelicans
Жыл бұрын
If your teammate does something like this, bridges get burned. Just ask Lulu
@ArielGonzalez1
Жыл бұрын
why risk a gearbox, to just being ahead of max in monaco (a big risk), it makes no sense
@pwelicans
Жыл бұрын
@@ArielGonzalez1 Being ahead of your teammate in Monaco is quite big, especially considering the contract situation. But I think it is stupid to always say he didn't have a motive, when all signs point toward Perez doing it on purpose.
@barbonson_richards
Жыл бұрын
Certainly does excuse it Of course verstappen was not helping perez if this is true
@richard35791
Жыл бұрын
@@pwelicans checo service to max Abu Dhabi 2021, wait a minute next week is Abu Dhabi
@timbuktu4235
Жыл бұрын
Yeah that blip was suspicious but what confirms it for me is that he doesnt react or anticipate the countersteer like a professional would in that situation.
@akalithemoney2546
Жыл бұрын
yeah especially perez, he is always very quick with reacting to counter steering. this is defintly on purpose and tbh I understand max lol
@timbuktu4235
Жыл бұрын
@@akalithemoney2546 Yeah anyone who has ever driven car fast knows that the countersteer comes from intuition and as a reflex faster than your brain can even realise that now i should countersteer. So in that sense it seems he really gave up and consciously made the decicion not to correct.
@boop9239
Жыл бұрын
So he intentionally crashed to ... lockout the front row for Ferrari?? Seems entirely illogical, especially since he had been helping Verstappen last season and this season too. Also, Verstappen said last summer which to me suggests the summer of 2021 so I really am not sure why people are focusing on Monaco so much.
@magical5181
Жыл бұрын
Yeah that’s also what confirms it for me. He had no intention in countersteering.
@magical5181
Жыл бұрын
@@boop9239 yeah it’s probably not about Monaco. But Perez still did this on purpose.
@leumasgh
Жыл бұрын
You have seen him spinning in the Dutch GP qualy and other times under pressure, he's sometimes prone to mistakes that surprise you because you don't expect it from him due to experience
@nicok8203
Жыл бұрын
without checking im sure the problem there wasnt that he slammed the pedal while massively steering before the apex
@RandomNPC001
Жыл бұрын
C. Sainz makes mistakes like this under pressure all the time!
@GamerPro-ts6fs
Жыл бұрын
he went gas before the apex. You can't say that pressure made him do that. Also explain why he put no anti lock when he was sliding.
@tanguyarzamian1852
Жыл бұрын
He didn't try at all to do an opposite lock to avoid the wall
@Descensus13
Жыл бұрын
@@tanguyarzamian1852 to be fair that section is downhill..so even with opposite lock it would been very hard to prevent hitting the wall with the momentum he got from the throttle blip
@BatMan-oe2gh
Жыл бұрын
If you watch the video when it is side by side, you can see Sergio was 10 kmh slower than his fast lap. As he was going slower, he may have thought he could accelerate earlier to make up for the speed loss. Even the pros have brain fades at times.
@zelder1371
Жыл бұрын
No he definitely crashed on purpose because he's evil and hates max !!!!
@BatMan-oe2gh
Жыл бұрын
@@zelder1371 Please make a sensible comment instead of a very stupid one. Troll
@piotrkraska8843
Жыл бұрын
I'm agree with u. Slower speed on T8, earlier accellerate to save flying lap , mistake, spin, crash.
@kentalfredcachapero9555
Жыл бұрын
I honestly agree with you, that kinda makes sense ngl.
@keineinteresse5813
Жыл бұрын
@@piotrkraska8843 No. Even if your car is straight, you don‘t slam the throttle. Watch his lap where he didn’t crash and how smoothly he accelerated. It was intentionally. There was no „making time up by accelerating full throttle“
@GallactusF1
Жыл бұрын
Let's assume that Chećo deliberately Crashed and told it to Horner and Marko. If he had done the above, he would have been fired/penalised by RB for doing so as it was just for P3.
@racereadypowerhouse
Жыл бұрын
We would hope so but it never works like that in F1. Look at Briatore
@Faiz_Azad-Khan
Жыл бұрын
The strange thing is he goes wayy to early on throttle uses much more and takes a completely different line
@THEMONEGASQUE
Жыл бұрын
Think carefully about it. If RB punished Checo then they would be admitting it happened. That's why stuff like this is discussed behind closed doors. When Max said he gave his reasons on the radio chat, he seemed to be referring to something very clearly. Not a Max fan obviously. But something is fishy here.
@eclipsemercx3687
Жыл бұрын
They keep it in house this is what will always happen. Look at the draymond green (nba) situation for reference. Guy nearly killed somebody at practice and wasn't even suspended until the video leaked out later.
@the_fabulous_p14
Жыл бұрын
@@Faiz_Azad-Khan He turns in quite early on the crash lap too. he turns in too early
@stevereinholtz2157
10 ай бұрын
He 100% spun the car on purpose. The way he stabbed the throttle a good bit before the apex while still on the brakes to keep the rear light, and low enough speed to keep the damage to the car at a minimum. It’s undeniable when you watch the side by side comparison of the clean lap vs crash lap..
@CurboroughSprinter
Жыл бұрын
There is normally a lot of “look how Max has matured” comments earlier this year but regardless of the reasons, Brazil showed he still needs to chill out a bit and be more reasoned. He’s already world champion FFS.
Жыл бұрын
I just can't believe this is the real and only reason. If it is, then he was simply stupid in Brazil. And I'm very disappointed in him. But what if something else happened behind the scenes? Max and RB already won the titles. This was so unnecessary.
@wicklash9065
Жыл бұрын
@ Anyone who knows about it is implicated. Checo put Max's career in jeopardy. More than a championship at stake there.
@honzareality
Жыл бұрын
Well, Hamilton is still crying after so many years, so I think all drives have a lot of time to Mature. He hit me, my tires are good, don't pit me, the car is trash, Verstappen went off in turn xx :D all the time. He is a great driver but his moaning is so annoying :D
@CurboroughSprinter
Жыл бұрын
@@honzareality why does everything have to come round to Hamilton? He has nothing to do with this. 🤷🏼
@yhelloh
Жыл бұрын
@@wicklash9065 Jeapardy? Save the jokes. Max will be at RedBull until the day he dies or decides to leave. Its practically Maxbull racing. Max's career wasn't in jeopardy LOL.
@jodyestevens9911
Жыл бұрын
i’ve seen drivers go full brake and almost full throttle before to try and prevent spins but it’s insane he would do it at that specific moment in the corner
@hanseckhardt3826
Жыл бұрын
The sound of the engine roaring wasn't the deciding factor for me. With wheelspin, the rpm automatically increases. I find the steering wheel movements strange. There is no countersteering to be seen at all. However, I can't explain this behavior. He was in P3. Risking the gearbox for this is illogical. But if it was intentional, it will have serious consequences. That's why Sainz had an accident.
@willho4202
Жыл бұрын
The only thing that makes sense is that he only wanted to stay ahead of Max. This year was probably his best chance at a championship and after being ordered to unfairly let Max past the race before in Spain this was a way for him to keep up with Max. Imo it makes no sense but it does seem a little suspicious.
@davidleonard6285
Жыл бұрын
In fact if you do a wheelspin with the car you need to be accelerating as well, and you can see in the video he is losing the car before the apex, before the accelerating zone. Because in that part where he loses the car, in the first Q3 run, you can see he is brakeing until he pass the apex of the corner.
@Eric-rf1is
Жыл бұрын
Full throttle on that point is not logical, as the earlier lap showed..............
@hanseckhardt3826
Жыл бұрын
@@Eric-rf1is Correct, but i cant validate the telemetry. I dont know, that he was on full throttle but we see his steering movement and hear the rpm.
@Eric-rf1is
Жыл бұрын
@@hanseckhardt3826 2:18 green throttle display 👍👍 getting slower in the corner to minimize damage is also a sign.
@RegionalRadioShackManager
Жыл бұрын
I would like to compare Checo’s accident to Alonso’s and see if the anomaly is similar
@wildwilco
Жыл бұрын
2:03 he goes full lock on the wheel, and full throttle. comparing his wheel position and throttle input to the first run and there is but 1 conclusion. 100% intentional.
@wildwilco
Жыл бұрын
2:17 is even better, on his 2nd run he isnt even close to the apex and he goes full lock and throttle.
@powerboy247
Жыл бұрын
Even I was initially skeptical about this. But the lack of counter steer especially in a driver of his caliber was damning. You're right in your inference. The moment he sniffed the championship he showed who he truly is. May have helped max but sabotage is worse.🎉
@reinomeister
Жыл бұрын
The telemetry data looks very suspicious indeed because he didn't just have a little bit too much throttle, he literally goes full throttle in the middle of the corner, so it's either an intentional crash, or it was just a weird cramp or something like that.
@Skillzvideos
Жыл бұрын
Well apparently he admitted it was on purpose
@easy6380
Жыл бұрын
@@Skillzvideos Name any source besides Dutch media
@carmillawoo6505
Жыл бұрын
It's also possible that it's an engine mapping glitch or something of the sorts. We simply dont have enough data to be 100% sure it was an intentional crash
@bjrnchrstn
Жыл бұрын
@@carmillawoo6505 nor to say it wasn't intentional. Max knows more and wanted to discuss it. Rb and Checo didn't. Blame them.
@Exdif
Жыл бұрын
Bruh just admit Verstappen is an egoistic driver Perez definitely didn’t crash on purpose for a P3. Max Fans once again flipping on others
@cefsdohc
Жыл бұрын
Great analysis. If you can see, there's a speed difference in the corner entry of almost 10km/h between the attempts. In my opinion at the second attempt, he tried to pull up in the T8 exit but he stepped on the gas more than usual by the pressure to compensate the wrong entry. It wasn't, at least for me, enough to be an intentional spin.
@siphe11
Жыл бұрын
I was about to post about this as well 2:16 shows that difference and the approach angle as well.... It's as if he was trying to get on the throttle a bit early and use the extra room out of the apex.... A driver trying something different... And it just didnt pay off.
@JohananJoysingh
Жыл бұрын
Yup. What I said.
@matteoportaluri4670
Жыл бұрын
That was my initial thought too. But you don't correct that by slamming the gas pedal at full throttle. That's just 100% chance of spinning, and a pro driver knows it better than me. There are extremely rare situations where you might need to do that, and force wheelspin to correct a trajectory, but first: you do it right on or slighly after the apex, not before. That is not a move to correct an early or slow entry. Second, if you want to powerslide you need to apply a LOT of countersteer. Again, a pro driver perfectly knows this, and Checo doesn't even try to save it.
@ZOLTN54
Жыл бұрын
The only thing that makes me really think this was done on purpose is his wheel angle before he slams the gas. Its almost full lock compared to the previous t8.
@TheLastCrankers
Жыл бұрын
He could have induced a little bit of rear slip to try to get the rear to move slightly out of the corner, shortening the exit to be able to accelerate earlier (still achieving the faster speed in the tunnel hopefully). This is a relatively simple trick to pull on go-kars, dunno about proper open wheel 1000hp racecars tho.
@4rdF1Hunny
Жыл бұрын
A seasoned and excellent road course driver doesn’t accidentally goose the throttle like that.
@darrellglover4301
Жыл бұрын
Maybe he was trying to get on the gas sooner. how would he know it would mess up Max lap.?
@kalelvigil1510
Жыл бұрын
Yes because absolutes are intelligent things to say.
@rars0n
Жыл бұрын
Only an absolute moron would think he did it on purpose.
@JohnFromAccounting
Жыл бұрын
@@darrellglover4301 Getting on the gas sooner doesn't mean going full throttle before hitting the apex.
@GamerPro-ts6fs
Жыл бұрын
@@JohnFromAccounting yep.
@Housestationlive
Жыл бұрын
he offer a world championship to its teammate, no matter what he did wrong. he's also desperated because he has a number 2 role in this team.
@dead_locked
Жыл бұрын
He helped him in only one GP. He's number 2 because he's much slower than Max. If RB hadn't been so much faster than midfield teams in 2021 and 2022, Perez would have looked as bad as Albon and Gasly.
@g_webb21
Жыл бұрын
@@dead_locked that 1 GP was worth a whole championship, stop reducing the value of his help ffs y'all are blind
@magical5181
Жыл бұрын
Because Perez isn’t fast enough to be a number 1 driver.
@soumyanayak7755
Жыл бұрын
@@dead_locked Looks like education and history are not ur strong suit !
@blaise2833
Жыл бұрын
@@dead_locked You're a delusional Max fan if you think Checo only helped him once. Let's list all the times he helped Verstappen and obeyed RB's team-orders: 2021 Monaco - Undercut and passed Max's championship rival 2021 Baku - At the last restart he stayed calm and kind of forced Hamilton into a mistake 2021 Russia - Was ahead of Max on track but stayed out so RB could pit Max earlier onto intermediate tyres 2021 Brazil - Took away the fastest lap point from Hamilton 2021 Abu Dhabi - You dont need explanation 2022 Spain - Basically gave up fighting for the win against Max 2022 Baku - Was told to not fight Max and let him through 2022 Japan - Hunted down Leclerc and forced him into a mistake at the final lap which gave Max the title. If this is not enough proof to you how much Pérez has helped his selfish little bitch teammate then idk what it is...
@abrokenpal
10 ай бұрын
Wow, I have never seen the telemetry of this crash before and now that I look at it, it is really odd as if Perez wanted a fast spin on purpose.
@boludo244
Жыл бұрын
This remember me Singapore 2008
@MrStas166
Жыл бұрын
You can also show analysis of the other drivers probably not slamming the pedal to the metal. Actually. Damn. I like this investigation! Going to check others now :>
@thiagocanola554
Жыл бұрын
He tried to get a better exit into the tunnel. That was Q3, they try harder to get that extra tenth. When the car loses traction the engine revs up, it is completely normal. He made a mistake, end of story.
@ponte1748
Жыл бұрын
@@thiagocanola554 lol, you’re kidding
@VishalNehra
Жыл бұрын
@@thiagocanola554 right! This guy making the video haven't even probably driven a go-kart. This video proves absolutely nothing.
@ZeqHDx
Жыл бұрын
Take a close look at his hands, as his car oversteers he doesn't even try to correct it by countersteering
@thiagocanola554
Жыл бұрын
@@ZeqHDx We will never know. In my view, he already new the car was gone. One you have wheel spin+on the edge of grip, in such a tight turn the car slides like butter. But I understand and you have a point.👍🏻
@jonathanwood8847
Жыл бұрын
The fact that he doesn't try to correct the slide afterwards is interesting as well
@jiska111111111111111
Жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@arvingonzales1278
Жыл бұрын
What made you think he doesn't correct the slide?
@jonathanwood8847
Жыл бұрын
@@arvingonzales1278 the fact that he doesn't turn into the slide?
@arvingonzales1278
Жыл бұрын
@@jonathanwood8847 he seemed turning the wheels on the opposite side when he slide. Not sure though if that's the way to do it when sliding or not. I'm not an expert driver in F1 sim...
@jonathanwood8847
Жыл бұрын
@@arvingonzales1278 correcting a slide is instinctive. Even when karting, you feel the start of a spin and you turn the wheel the other way. He doesn't even start doing this until he's facing the barrier. You don't need to be an expert to understand this
@RR-xu5xk
Жыл бұрын
I like the idea of causing a red flag puts you at the back of the pack depending on which qualifying session you are in.
@lornakcindespire671
Жыл бұрын
In other disciplines of motorsports, they delete your best qualy time, that way, you can't use yellow/red flag to "mantain" position, because you are going to lose it. Works like wonder I would say.
@mangofruit8984
Жыл бұрын
Would have also meant, among others, Russell wouldn’t have won in Brazil
@GamerPro-ts6fs
Жыл бұрын
No that would be unfair if it was actually an accident. In quali especially when your goal is to get the absolute best out of the car things can happen.
@lornakcindespire671
Жыл бұрын
@@GamerPro-ts6fs Well, as long as it is the same for everyone, it would be fair. I understand the point of "what if I was just trying to improve?" well, then, don't crash. If you make an error, is just logical to have a "punishment" in comparison to the ones that didn't make such error. The important thing is, this will end with any "did he crash on purpose?" bullshit that arose whenever a Q3 contender crashes.
@mangofruit8984
Жыл бұрын
@@GamerPro-ts6fs true, especially in wet conditions
@adalzavala8298
Жыл бұрын
This channel is super entertaining to watch! Every video is very well made and straight to the point. Also the quality is outstanding.
@matheusmaranhao278
Жыл бұрын
Not only the throttle application is very suspicious, but also the lack of countersteering, which is an instinctive, immediate response of any racing driver when losing the rear of the car.
@Dany_Fox1
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. I could somehow look past the full throttle, but the lack of counter steering is what is very suspicious to me.
@alexmata5206
Жыл бұрын
He was 12 km hr slower in that corner, I think he wanted to increase a bit and it didnt go well.
@ABVW92
Жыл бұрын
That's my thought. His minimum speed throught the section overall was lower than his previous lap, and it looked like he had noticed he was down to the delta of the previous lap, and tried to just blip for minimum speed through the corner, got caught out and spun. As others have mentioned, logically, it doesn't make sense for him to crash on purpose, there are no pros, and far too many cons to risk it.
@mikemelina7395
Жыл бұрын
@@ABVW92 No. He was hard on the brakes when he floored it. There was no input from the brakes or throttle during his fast lap. If he was going slower, he wouldn't brake hard where he didn't brake at all when he was faster, then stomp on the throttle, if he was trying to spin the car, that's what he'd do, stab the brakes and the throttle at the same time. This was deliberate.
@ABVW92
Жыл бұрын
@@mikemelina7395 doesn't look it to me... Maybe a lapse in concentration, idk... But it doesn't come off as deliberate at all, it's not like it doesn't make enough sense, it straight up doesn't make any sense at all. You have your thoughts, I have mine.
@ArielGonzalez1
Жыл бұрын
and also it seems that the redbull cars had some throttle problem around that week
@AlbertZonneveld
Жыл бұрын
@@ABVW92 freeze the video before the corner and go trough it slowly using "." (or "," to go slowly backwards) and see that he slammed the brakes before the corner together with full throttle.
@gix1524
Жыл бұрын
What feels weird to me is that if he wanted to crash on purpose he could've done so at the swimming pool for example by taking the corner too tight and hitting the wall (common mistake on this track a lot of crashes happened there). I feel like that could've been less suspicious, instead of smashing the throttle without even trying to catch the oversteer
@defenda1
Жыл бұрын
too much car damage that way.
@user-jj6qg7dp6d
Жыл бұрын
Yeah but it's much higher speed so also a bigger chance to destroy the car and have damage like leclerc did in 2021
@maylene1945
Жыл бұрын
if someone deliberately crashes himself as a profitable tactic, he will definitely consider all possible consequences that would lead to the bad thing, such as avoiding the potential for severe damage that could affect tomorrow's race. Of course what you say will have great potential, so imo it's impossible for Perez to choose that
@gix1524
Жыл бұрын
yeah you guys are right, can't believe I didn't think of that
@IN-DRAX
Жыл бұрын
maybe if he did that in that section of the track he afraid he will injured since he didnt have a big balls🤣
@Poulo.mp4
Жыл бұрын
Not throwing any shade, but as an observation to add: He doesn't even try to save the car with any counter steer, he just lets it slide in the barrier....
@MrAndyy87
Жыл бұрын
With some driving experience on the track, that is not normal. If I would plan to crash, that's the way I would do it. Slam the gas middle of the slow corner, knowing the damage would be minimal due the lack of speed. He did not even try to corrent oversteering, or break. He just lets the car roll. He absolutely knew what he was doing. 100% clear.
@benfrese3573
Жыл бұрын
No, you would do it this way when you plan to crash and plan to get caught for it. Then you do it like that. I think we can assume Perez is aware of the amount of sensors in his car. I doubt this was some sort of plan cause it's too stupid to be a plan.
@yaelmartinez5735
Жыл бұрын
You just proved you have no experience on track
@bokebryant3985
Жыл бұрын
@@benfrese3573 tbh it didn’t surfaced until Brazil, unlike Schumacher and rosberg’s Monaco incident that are immediately discussed. If not for Brazil, this probably would be hidden forever. So it’s pretty smart after all.
@paulmartom
Жыл бұрын
Anybody saying that’s not on purpose has no idea how driving works, it doesn’t take a professional to see that he crashes on purpose
@isaelmarte3073
Жыл бұрын
@@bokebryant3985 la calificación iba ser detenida igualmente por el accidente de Alonso en la zona de casino estorbando los pasos de los autos
@amanlemos17
Жыл бұрын
2:03 look at how much speed he's carrying into the corner in both instances, so maybe just to compensate for that he goes in early on the throttle and loses it, it's all just speculation on purpose or not but to me it looks like a genuine mistake. Thank you very much for the video though mate🙏🏾
@diegoperezreyes8388
Жыл бұрын
He was also 0.043s behind his original time, he needed to get faster out that corner.
@Stantube1000
Жыл бұрын
you mexican advocates are so funny really.
@Fanatic102nd
Жыл бұрын
Its not need for speed. You would never slam the throttle this hard in an F1 car unless you absolutely want to spin the car out.
@amanlemos17
Жыл бұрын
@@Fanatic102nd i find it hard to comprehend that people who haven't actually driven an F1 car start to bring what they do in driving games, ridiculous
@Fanatic102nd
Жыл бұрын
@@amanlemos17 You don't need to have experience driving an actual F1 car to understand that a 1000HP RWD vehicle with no traction control will immediately spin out if you just slam full throttle in the middle of a slow corner. A lot less powerful RWD car will do that without traction control. You can watch how patiently and carefully he applies throttle on exit on his first run (same as all the other 19 drivers - watch Leclerc pole lap). If that throttle slam was a genuine mistake then it is one of the most rookie mistakes I have ever seen in F1. The fact that there is no instinctive attempt to correct the spin by such an experienced F1 driver is just an icing on the cake here.
@stepheno21
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting to see that. I was expecting to see the power being applied a little bit earlier than his first Q3 lap. But as you describe and we see. He hasn’t actually hit the apex when the throttle was applied. But I guess it will always be a mystery just like Nico Rosberg out braking himself to hinder Lewis’s lap. 10M later on the brakes seemed too much to me plus with all that fake correcting when the car wasn’t ever sliding. Some look more convincing then others.
@JohnFromAccounting
Жыл бұрын
Rosberg learned it from Schumacher.
@Jacobmathews.
9 ай бұрын
@@JohnFromAccounting although Schumacher's was comically bad and is the only one confirmed to be on purpose
@harriaga1985
Жыл бұрын
Perez’s crash and Ferrari bad strategy help RB get both drivers on podium . Good constructors points 😊
@diegoftw6719
Жыл бұрын
Maybe his reasons are way simpler than that, like telling the team that he wouldn’t need them to give him a position, but he wouldn’t attend to position requests as well. And maybe it was agreed after he secured the championship.
@samuelespalletti6570
Жыл бұрын
The fact that he doesn’t even try to counter steer in the attempt to prevent the car from oversteering is also pretty significant.
@LogiForce86
Жыл бұрын
Also he clearly uses a lot more lock into the right hand turn than the previous lap, and than a dab on the throttle is all an F1 car needs to spin around on a dime. They only have insane grip due to aero, but at such low speeds it is all mechanical grip that is easily overcome by these very powerful engines,
@samuelespalletti6570
Жыл бұрын
@@LogiForce86 yes I agree. The only situation in which an F1 driver would slam the throttle like that at such low speed would be in case he went off road and he wants to cause a spin for the purpose to get back on track.
@LogiForce86
Жыл бұрын
@Samuele Spalletti Here is another thing. On the first shown attempt he hits that inside curbstone fully, which causes a clear imbalance in the car. The apex is obviously there where the curbstone is, but on that second attempt he doesn't even hit the curbstone with his front right tyre but spins before he gets there. There is no professional driver who applies gas before the apex, and thus not before he has unwound lock on his wheel unless he is a professional drifter.
@edson7979
Жыл бұрын
Este análisis estaría muy bien para Russell en la Q3 de Brasil, dónde se despistó y podía seguir pero decidió regresar a atascarse en la arena y arruinó la Q3 de sus principales competidores, por cierto el auto en arena no sufrió casi ningún daño...
@tyrone6892
Жыл бұрын
No creo, ellos sabían que tenían ritmo a una vuelta y así salieran en medi parrilla en carrera estuvieran arriba
@rufusruffles
Жыл бұрын
@@tyrone6892 Pero claro, si tienes la oportunidad de salir P2 detrás de un Haas o salir a mitad de parrilla y pelear toda la carrera por el podio, mmhm, no se necesitan más de dos neuronas para decidir cuál es mejor no crees?
@DanielFenandes
Жыл бұрын
The problem is that it would be very hard to come to any conclusion since you don't have a reference lap
@r___n___
Жыл бұрын
Merc had the pace to qualify in pole. It was a hard track condition with that weather. This Checo clip showed he intentionally reved up while turning to spin his car. He also did not do corrections during the spin which all drivers do when they spun.
@donatellocastillo969
Жыл бұрын
O el año pasado que Leclerc "choco" y se acabó la Q
@mkganya6013
Жыл бұрын
The content on your channel is so well researched and well presented. You are sure to go big soon, if you keep at it.
@fuyukihidekii
Жыл бұрын
exactly ♥️
@TheZlatanDG
10 ай бұрын
110% purpose, he went way too early on the pedal compare to the previous lap like he doesnt even wait to hit the apex for throttle, 100% owncrashed
@lozy497
Жыл бұрын
He doesn't even try to countersteer and that tells you it was intentioned
@ShauryaChawlaprayforplagues
Жыл бұрын
man’s not an actor
@prasadchavan8313
Жыл бұрын
exactly, f1 drivers have very quick reflexes and even if they know they are gonna crash, their basic instinct is to catch the slide
@sandeepsinam642
Жыл бұрын
Whatever the rumour is, verstappen should have let pass Perez,given he has already won the 2022 championship, and not to forget Perez 's very dedicated role as his wingman in 2021 championship.😿
@folkert2938
Жыл бұрын
I don't think you get it. Just imagine you have a person in your life who always helped you and you were good buddies. Until he decides to suddenly betray you and try to hinder you intentionally. You wouldn't think a second of the things he did for you, because your friend was wanting to betray you. I'm just clarifying how Max probably sees it.
@supta2110
Жыл бұрын
Max almost fail 2021 wdc because he dnf bull bottas adn dnf silverstone bro
@Real28
Жыл бұрын
He never even tried to save it. Basically, he pulled a "you-ie", where you flick the rear end around. Entirely intentional. His hand inputs are different. His throttle is very different.
@thandontantiso3744
Жыл бұрын
Even if he did. Being the bigger person is important in maintaining a good relationship. He may be the best but he needs a teammate.
@pollenzx
Жыл бұрын
being teammates doesn't mean you don't compete though
@easy6380
Жыл бұрын
@@pollenzx True, but they didn’t compete this weekend. He was given the position by Perez and decided to not give it back when his team told him to. I don’t like team order but if he wants Perez to follow the team order, Verstappen should do it too.
@pierregasly3547
Жыл бұрын
He's not the best. He's a madman with the faster car which suits only for him
@jer6033
Жыл бұрын
@@pierregasly3547 so who is better? Lewis with 0 wins? Both ferrari drivers with 4 wins in total?
@Jurico_Noes
Жыл бұрын
That’s not even the point it’s tha Max already won the Championship
@Someone25948
Жыл бұрын
Yelistener playing both sides to come out on top no matter what First he released the video of Checo helping Max when it looked like public opinion was against Max and just as the wind changes, he releases this video...
@jerrybro7806
Жыл бұрын
yeah, for transparence. How can you not see that?
@Xeleko
Жыл бұрын
Now can you do Alonso purposely crashing into the wall to bring RedFlag (cover by Perez RedFlag) and not lose his position on the grid because Ocon was faster than Him that day ?
@ΕΥΣΤΡΑΤΙΟΣΤΣΟΡΛΙΑΝΟΣ
Жыл бұрын
Alonso crashed after sainz and Perez collided. And it wasnt on purpose mate, he was pushing.
@HibiTeamQueso
Жыл бұрын
🤡
@tt-nm4yj
Жыл бұрын
tbf alonso is quicker on pace than ocon 75% of the time
@MrThedestroy3r
Жыл бұрын
Ocon was not faster that day hahahahaha, he was behind Alonso at the moment and alonso didnt know anything about esteban's last lap.
@Yahniboy
Жыл бұрын
How about Russell in Brazil last weekend. His spin caused a red flag and secured a 3rd spot on the grid for him
@1BadPrix
Жыл бұрын
If you notice at 1:01 he had a small lock up in the Hairpin which means the tires would have been a bit unsettled through the next few corners especially Portier. I don't think he crashed on purpose.
@hotshtsr20
Жыл бұрын
Finally, someone looks further ahead than the moment of death. There were a lot of factors leading up to this, including how he entered that corner.
@1BadPrix
Жыл бұрын
@@hotshtsr20 right I watched his whole lap leading up to those corners. He was pushing harder than he should have up to the run in the hairpin. I think he had used his tires up and wasn't much grip left in them. He did that small lock up and never recovered the car fully.
@yamanesgin
Жыл бұрын
Ok so here’s my take on it. (I’m not supporting Max or Checo or Hamilton or Leclerc or whoever you think so that you know I am not biased or whatever). In the crash lap, Checo goes into the corner with a speed 76. In the normal lap he is entering with a speed of 86. What is the difference? He pressed the brakes too hard after accelerating too much on the small straight leading to turn 8. If you watch the steering wheel, on the crash lap the steering wheel is turned more to the right than the normal lap. Reasons for this? When going into a corner, the more speed you have the easier it is to turn the wheels. So, in the crash lap it is natural that he turned the steering wheel more, knowing that it would take more “turning” to make the wheels face the direction that he wants to so that he can get a clear exit. Nothing abnormal here. However, when he goes into the corner there is a slide prior to the full acceleration (watch very closely). Is this because he accelerated too suddenly? I do not have the technical knowledge to answer that. What we do know is that the throttle was almost at 100% prior to the spin. Why can this be? If he accelerated too hard into the corner, then there are high chances that he is gonna hit the right wall with the angle that his steering wheel is turned to. Right before throttle to 100%, he turns his steering wheel to the left, knowing that otherwise he would crash. To get out of the situation and quickly turn left you need to press the pedal hard. Now I know how delicate these drivers are and do not usually make mistakes. How you interpret is upon you. But know that Latifi crashed in the formation lap. (Just funny so I put it there). Whether you think Max deserves to act that way or not is up to you. This is my analysis on the situation
@sambitranjan9584
Жыл бұрын
Wow Max Fans So this justifies the stupidity done by Max when the championship is over & your teammate is fighting P2 with someone.
@hmh2459
Жыл бұрын
I think the stupidity is thinking ignoring team orders is way worse than crashing on purpose.
@Sebastian-uf3vr
Жыл бұрын
If you put even slower the lap when Checo spun and analyze the view of the track from the camera, I think Checo already lost the rear before really throttling, product of an reflex act.
@mikemelina7395
Жыл бұрын
Because he slammed on the brakes. He was going slower than the previous lap and slammed on the brakes and throttle at the same time. That's how you start a donut.
@Sebastian-uf3vr
3 ай бұрын
Now I get why Max got angry... and he has the right to be angry...
@justasgriskevicius3492
Жыл бұрын
another thing is that all drivers instinctually flick the steering wheel in the opposite direction as soon as the car starts sliding (in other videos of perez spinning he does that too) but in this case he held the wheel pretty much straight without much input
@lbbc33
Жыл бұрын
Great couple of this videos about the controversy! It is absurd for Checo to trigger a red flag on purpose to lock a P3 position. On his Q3 2nd flying lap he is going for it, you can see him locking up at 1:01, 2 turns before the crash
@GamerPro-ts6fs
Жыл бұрын
maybe he was on a genuin lap until he locked up then decicded to rig quali.
@chirpingbluebird
Жыл бұрын
he slammed the gas as he was 10 kmph lower(77) than his previous lap(86), which caused the crash.. this is manual error.
@manny2564
Жыл бұрын
i think it would be expected to see abnormal telemetry in a crash, especially if due to a mistake. i think we can see i this video the reason he crashed and its bc of throttle application in a low speed corner - but doesn’t mean much beyond that. great video!
@bfgbfg6515
Жыл бұрын
Anybody can make mistakes , no human is immune from this . If it happens , it happens , keep on moving . Do not forget the person that has helped you . If you are out to look for other peoples mistakes , you are sure to find it no matter how small it is , this is nothing new but be very careful ! What you may find might be just be what you also did too ! Kinda like an egg thrown on the face , it might just land on you yourself !
@mikemelina7395
Жыл бұрын
2:16-17 look at the pedal positions and the speeds, this was not a mistake, it was deliberate.
@supta2110
Жыл бұрын
@@mikemelina7395 yeah delibarate not normal
@balintujvari9666
Жыл бұрын
You idiot
@bfgbfg6515
Жыл бұрын
There is no need to insult one another here . The 2 drivers are the ones involved , not me . All of us here are just speculating , we may never know the truth .
@Maggi4932
Жыл бұрын
@@bfgbfg6515 well its pretty clear with telemtry
@Marpurrsa
Жыл бұрын
from my personal observations i personally think this is what happened in the first lap perez' apex speed was 86 kmh on his second lap, perez slowed down to 77 kmh even before hitting the apex, at which point he blipped the throttle my assumption is he either felt some understeer and wanted to shift the balance of the car slightly, to turn it in better. or that he wanted to get some more speed in as the next part of a track is a pretty high speed section and since every millisecond can mean the difference between pole and not pole, i think he was trying to push and did too much as for my reason why he didnt fully countersteer, my assumption is that he either decided to keep his steering straight hoping his back tyres could catch grip before hitting the barrier, or that he didnt anticipate the amount of spin he'd get and by the time he's in the wall it was too late (yes f1 drivers have insane reflexes but monaco is well known for its unforgiving nature) in all while it does look really weird, i highly doubt perez would risk his seat over a p3 start, considering max was well into the championship fight at this point looking back did this give perez the opportunity to win? yes but without ferrari's awful strategy decisions he wouldnt even have been close to trying for a win, and i dont think perez can predict that ferrari will have the strategy they had in the end i dont think this is deliberate, but a stupid mistake (this isnt the first time a red bull driver made a mistake on a quali lap after all) and even if deliberate, max decided to let perez help him the rest of the year and the moment his championship is solidified then he suddenly decides to go back to a thing that happened almost 6 months ago? i find that very strange especially if you outweigh this time to all the times perez did massively help max overall, unless max/red bull come out with an official statement as to the reasoning and we get definetive proof of what happened, i dont believe this was the reason why
@izmael_kneafcy
Жыл бұрын
This is basically how the drivers spin the car if they go off track and need to turn the car around.
@jaysuneakle
Жыл бұрын
Perhaps deleting a drivers time if they cause a red flag would 'fix' these situations. Brazil is the most recent example, with Russell causing a red, preventing the other drivers from a chance and then winning. Deleting their time would be an excellent solution. And fair.. Everyone hets a chance whether you F-up or not. No advantage for crashing..
@halofreak1990
Жыл бұрын
Wasn't there already talk of this earlier this season? Also something about deleting all lap times set under double waved yellows that was never done in practice
@patrickoneill2634
Жыл бұрын
I can't believe some people in the comments are seriously considering that Checo purposefully crashed at Monaco (Giving Ferrari pole and 2nd position). Stop trying to justify Verstappen being a selfish brat by over analyzing what Perez did in the corner of Q3 Monaco. Perez already showed what kind of a teammate he is by assisting Verstappen in winning the DC twice, bloody legend Checo is.
@zav1nac
Жыл бұрын
2:17 not only that (2:17 is not the exact moment so play it little bit further). I may not be the only one but it seemed to me that checo steered more when entering the corner than on his previous lap... but I dunno for sure + he just seemed to be very early on the throttle
@0l3m
Жыл бұрын
And if you see in the second lap he arrives at a less speed than before and may he want to anticipate the gas to do the lap more quick.
@zav1nac
Жыл бұрын
@@0l3m true
@KeepsLearning
Жыл бұрын
Narcissists never admit mistakes. They want everybody to shrug off what he did wrong, “and basically moved forward from here.”
@MrAsetgraffiti
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely spot on!
@8thlvlMage
Жыл бұрын
It's honestly tragic how few people realize this in these comments.
@TheKoosterify
Жыл бұрын
Much people forgot the term "second driver" and really believe equal status driver within a team is still a thing after 2016 season (Spain 2016 as a matter of fact)
@lumsikyee
Жыл бұрын
I think he did not crash on purpose but only wanted to gain a higher exiting speed at T8. Perez throttled at T8 when he saw the apex. Ideally, that would result in an increasing speed in a straight line towards the apex and it would be easier to build up higher exiting speed at the T8 exit. But unfortunately that was not the result as he turned too early and lost control of the car.
@AndyKirtland11
Жыл бұрын
Also, would he foolish to give your closest rivals at the time (Ferrari) a head start by giving them a front lockout. I’ve seen several similar footages over the years that have resulted in a crash, especially at Monaco. People need to realise Palmer himself isn’t a a scientific expert and is no bigger than the FIA. Also, he is the driver who didn’t give up a position and give the position back to Alonso. Whether or not it was purpose, that still gives Max no reason whatsoever to behave the way he did. Max showed who he really is like endless times and it showed he holds grudges against people in general, which is childish and he needs to grow up. He along with his biased fans forget how many times Perez has moved aside for him, as well as helping him win what was a gifted title caused by human error and think how many points Red Bull gained by having illegal parts to the car last year and their cheating gave them a huge advantage over their rivals this year. I pray and hope Mercedes continue to build on their recent recovery and momentum and Ferrari get their act together when it comes to strategy because us genuine fans want extra competition and fair and square racing.
@ADI-mc8hn
Жыл бұрын
I’d also add that if you were going to deliberately bring out a red flag by crashing you probably wouldn’t do it there, a blind turn with cars following closely behind (risking big damage) and you wouldn’t back it into the barrier’s potentially damaging the gearbox for which you’d take a penalty. You’d do a Schumacher and have a very slow speed bump, maybe just knock off your front wing to make it look genuine.
@DabDabGoose
5 ай бұрын
The telemetry doesn't lie, Perez had delusions of grandeur
@nomnomNACHO
Жыл бұрын
The Monaco GP also happened after the Spanish GP and we all know what went down there with team orders
@mikemelina7395
Жыл бұрын
Good point. The telemetry here doesn't lie, on the previous lap the graphic shows no input from either pedal, in the crash, it shows he was on the brakes hard and floored it. That's how you induce a spin.
@sgru9558
Жыл бұрын
@@mikemelina7395 mistakes also induce a spin
@Alxxb1
Жыл бұрын
@@sgru9558 mistake with full throttle? No way
@ZeusFTWGaming
Жыл бұрын
Can't there be a possibility that he wanted to get early on the power as it was his last lap, but as soon as he saw the rear slide, he came off the Throttle. I think it would be pretty unreasonable to purposely crash, specially when you're not even P1, you're P3. Plus there is a cost cap too for the teams now, so he would be thinking about that too. I may be wrong but this is just my opinion :)
@loopje
Жыл бұрын
🧢
@lozy497
Жыл бұрын
No mate no F1 driver does that with the throttle in that kind of conditions and that type of corner. He doesn't even try to countersteer which is the normal thing to do.
@aventusV33
Жыл бұрын
It's pretty plausible, but he went full throttle though... That's the odd part. Other than that, it wouldn't make sense that he crashed on purpose
@kareemmagribi6427
Жыл бұрын
I’m not buying it that he did it purposely. Perfectly reasonable for an f1 driver to make mistakes at Monaco. Max himself crashed at the swimming pool chicane a few years ago. Also, Perez was p3 not p1. Doesn’t make sense for him to crash purposely whilst he was in p3. Roseberg purposely went off in sector one few years ago when he was in p1 and Lewis was behind him
@eclipsemercx3687
Жыл бұрын
max and his crew believe it tho and they know a lot more than we do. Unfortunate that this is now an issue, rbr should have fixed this / averted what happened in brazil. But we are dealing with something you can't prove and something that is also dirty and would require censure from within the team and probably other authorities if it could be proven; so Perez will ever admit to it being deliberate.
@onairnomad
Жыл бұрын
He clearly was pushing harder than the lap before you can see a little lock up in the previous corner. I think checo didn't do it on purpose he helped max and the team on many occasions.
@bobboberson2024
Жыл бұрын
Well done. Yes, it was interesting. In the end, Max didn't have anything to lose to let Checco through at Brazil. That's a tough one to take.
@bjrnchrstn
Жыл бұрын
In the end Checo didn't have much to gain either. Still would have been 3rd cos he failed at Abu Dhabi, yet again.
@Ferd_R1
Жыл бұрын
@@bjrnchrstn yeah, it's right, checo couldn't win in Max-Bull, Leclerc won because of Max don't work as a teammate
@srxt6758
Жыл бұрын
@@Ferd_R1 you Mexican are so deluded man
@campomimado
Жыл бұрын
Another thing: At the same time that he slammed the gas pedal, he does the same thing in the brake pedal, as he knew that he would spun and didn't want to hit hard the barrier.
@szabo_marton7410
Жыл бұрын
The brake telemtry only shows if the brake pedal is pressed or not. Doesnt matter if its pressed down 15% ot 60% or a 100% it will always just show that its fully pressed
@octanev223
8 ай бұрын
it also seemed like he had no plans to correct the spin
@BxnS
Жыл бұрын
Checo carried an extra 10kmh of speed through the corner in his first lap and may have been trying to make up for that
@ignls8809
Жыл бұрын
If you try to make up speed you just lay LIGHTLY on the the throttle, like 7-10%, not from 0 to 100%
@KDiiX
Жыл бұрын
or maybe you just dont know what happens to pretty much every race car, when you slam throttle, while steering and beeing on the brake. checo most likely know that it will end up in a guaranteed spin.
@zzyzxyz5419
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I remember back when I used to sim race that pressing full throttle instantly instead of gently or gradually (fast) in a powerful car was a guaranteed spin.
@yogeshrupani6848
Жыл бұрын
Balls, checo is not a cheat. We dont need no evidence, the man is a true friend and the best team mate Max could ever have.
@simoneghilardini5211
Жыл бұрын
He seems a bit closer to the guard rail at the inside when he crashed, he turned pretty early on.
@soeren72
Жыл бұрын
But why not set it up for a front wheel and not risk gearbox failure
@Lee883
Жыл бұрын
He actually turned in later on the crash lap than the previous lap. The car was unsettled, he was understeering, gave it a bit of Welly to try and bring the rear round and misjudged it. It's not a conspiracy.
@ninetailedfox579121
Жыл бұрын
@@soeren72 Easier to get suspension damage which would likely require a pit lane start.
@MathewBT81
Жыл бұрын
Nice breakdown and display of the incident 👏 Geez I don't know though...I mean they all make mistakes, even the best of em 😅 😅😅
@pietrovilla15
Жыл бұрын
@lmaomoofeq Leclerc lost the lead to Verstappen after Spain
@kronzomg
Жыл бұрын
No drivers make THIS mistake...Formula 1 drivers do not FLOOR the throttle with full steering lock at low speed and crucially, no traction control. You could watch tens of thousands of laps completed at Monaco in cars with no traction control and you would NEVER see a driver do this. Even doing this in a 300hp road car is going to get you sideways lmao
@csiny88
Жыл бұрын
@@kronzomg No drivers make THIS mistake? Do you remember a certain Ayrton Senna crashing at that very corner on the 1988 Monaco Grand Prix? Granted, he didn't spin, but the principle of the incident was the same. This was driver error. Period.
@quasar696
Жыл бұрын
No, I don't think so. Just Max as a child. He was very angry because he could not come out victorious in the battle with Lewis in the second corner. And his "reasons" are just excuses. Six months have passed since Monaco, why did Max SUDDENLY decide to take revenge on Perez? No, I don't think so. As for Monaco, Perez made a tire lock in turn 6 and I think he lost concentration and his car became unruly. Perhaps exactly the same anomaly as Max in Hungary, where he also suddenly spun. Even if we assume that Perez could have done this on purpose, there is no way to predict that you will not break your gearbox and therefore lose everything, like Charle year before.
@tokyworld
Жыл бұрын
there is like a 10 kmh difference when he enters that corner (crash lap and flying lap) plus I think there was significant difference in time. The corners are really slow and seems like an eternity when you enter T8 and when you can start accelerating. I think Perez jumped the gun. However it is odd that he went full throttle trying to exit the turn, when you clearly need a paced acceleration.
@de4ds1ghtcsgo94
Жыл бұрын
The reason you need to pace acceleration is a camber switch on track. I raced on it with superkart once. Crew warned me on comms before hitting T8 on first lap. I nearly spun because of underestimation of gradient...
@de4ds1ghtcsgo94
Жыл бұрын
It runs3 degrees right leaning and goes 5 or 6 degrees left leaning. It causes lack of grip. But checo would know that
@ivanbastos4963
Жыл бұрын
exactly. To me what's more odd is how he went on the throttle, not just when. Obviously it's way too early to be going on the throttle in that section, you should be braking, but maybe he thought he was going in too slow into the corner and wanted to get a little on the throttle to compensate. That seems reasonable enough, but what i can't comprehend is why he would go full throttle there. It wasn't even a smooth transition into full throttle, he just opened the gas suddenly at the worst time possible. I don't really believe he would wanna crash on purpose. That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. He didn't have the fastest lap time, and he could easily damage the suspension, gearbox, or even the engine, which going into the race is less than favourable. Still, this accident happened under very weird circumstances
@o0_Karim
Жыл бұрын
I guess Checo on the crashed scene was in a different race line than the normal scene you can check that second 2:11 and you will notice he made something wrong from the beginning. I think he made a mistake by taking that chicane at 2:11 from the outside which gave him the illusion that he is capable of taking the next chicane faster and when he tried to press the accelerator pedal, the wheels turned, which led to the scene that we saw. Take a look at the brakes, you will find that he was pressing for a longer period before going through the turn at the crashed scene.
@daydrivver2074
Жыл бұрын
Now analyze the dutch gp 22 when Checo suddenly lost the car just before the Mercedes were about to snatch pole.
@hisham_hm
Жыл бұрын
2:16 Comparing where he was on the track in the crashed vs the normal lap, he's too much to the left in the bad lap, so he tried to compensate nudging to the right and throttling, but went too deep in the pedal and the car spun.
@Maggi4932
Жыл бұрын
It wasnt too deep. He went full throttle
@skyflakes3623
Жыл бұрын
Probably the only time Checo thought of himself first before his teammate and yet Verstappen felt like he hasn't had a great teammate all this time.
@shirishjadav1462
Жыл бұрын
He was in discussion for contract extensions I guess during Monaco
@Eric-rf1is
Жыл бұрын
@@shirishjadav1462 no, just signed before Monaco.....
@Eric-rf1is
Жыл бұрын
Max never requested something from PER. The team did................ so PER listened to the team, not to Max.......... "no fighting" messages, when on different straegies, being way slower, is normal for a team...... Why hold the faster guy up?
@justadummy8076
Жыл бұрын
@@shirishjadav1462 yeah there was a comment that maybe he signed his contract too quickly after his win at Monaco
@srxt6758
Жыл бұрын
People act like Max demands help from Checo. The whole request is done by team. Max aint like Lewis to publicly beg Valtteri to help him for the title like he did last year.
@sebzzz8494
4 ай бұрын
his job was on the line at this time, i truly doubt he’d purposely jeopardize his RB career just to screw over max
@dan003
Жыл бұрын
While it does indeed seem very suspicious, it's just too strange and illogical to me for it to have been intentional. Risks far outweighed the rewards. To me, it's just a silly mistake to me. Unless somebody can show he's got form for this (like when drivers were accusing Max of being far too aggressive in his early seasons, which was very true and there was plenty of evidence for it), then I won't blame Perez for this.
@defenda1
Жыл бұрын
yes, but the "why do this for P3" argument loses steam when you remember he was able to turn this into P1 in the race.
@hallamhal
Жыл бұрын
@@defenda1 how was he to know Ferrari strategy would be so bad? They were still doing good in the season at that point
@hmh2459
Жыл бұрын
@@hallamhal Checo wasn't doing this for pole/win. He was just trying to beat Max. Especially after what happened in Spain.
@mkrijal-0707
Жыл бұрын
at that time checo was still in the hunt for championship, probably, he just want to make sure he would finish ahaed of max in monaco where max wouldnt able to pass him
@RogueAgent711
Жыл бұрын
It's important to remember that Max said "I told you guys last summer..." So it cannot be Monaco by itself.
@ЮтубаПремиальнова
Жыл бұрын
Monaco 2022 was taken part of the championship before last summer! So if it been held by the start of the season his words are seem to be true. So what’s your point mate ?
@Plastic0Demon
Жыл бұрын
I hard to tell in this angle, but I might thinks he’s loosing the rear and the small throttle comida along with him steering to the left almost at the same time. He was already correcting not provoking
@Plastic0Demon
Жыл бұрын
Also the whole weekend was raining, a wet spot can detonate many things
@Ardakkonen
Жыл бұрын
He probably did that on purpose because he just blipped the throttle, If he did that to get a better exit off the corner he would have interfered and tried to counter steer.
@mael5558
Жыл бұрын
There are so many different ways to deliberately crash in Monaco and Perez probably chose the worse one
@manuelbonelli3690
Жыл бұрын
Yeah like....why didn't he pull a Nico Rosberg?
@bokebryant3985
Жыл бұрын
It’s the smartest one. Firstly the corner is slow, so the car won’t get much damage, secondly if you pull a Rosberg/Schumacher it would be too obvious cause everyone knew about that trick already.
@asrafulemon2004
Жыл бұрын
He should've crashed at turn 15, 16 putting the car on bareer
@csiny88
Жыл бұрын
@@bokebryant3985by crashing this way you're potentially risking gearbox and even engine damage. That means replacement and penalty grid positions.
@drdisabled3720
Жыл бұрын
@@csiny88 There is no penalty for simply changing gearbox, you only get penalized if you go over the allocated amount. Perez did change gearbox in Monaco and no penalty came from it.
@erickismaelmotoliniagutier230
Жыл бұрын
Two Very diferent racing lines from the two laps in the crash lap checo was way open away from the right wall and slower Before the apex allowing him to step on the pedal sooner, correct decision wrong execution. The first lap he was way closer to the right wall meaning he was not able to acelerate until passing the apex
@ryclemo4942
Жыл бұрын
I think this is him trying a different philosophy of slower corner entry, earlier throttle input mixed with the frustration of a poor first sector causing him to become over ambitious like when Max knew he'd lost the lap in Jeddah with the lockup but still tried flooring the throttle and hit the wall.
@mikemelina7395
Жыл бұрын
The why was on the brakes so hard when he floored it? Look at the side-by-side telemetry and concentrate on the pedal positions at 2:16-17 in the video.
@notyouraverageasian9385
Жыл бұрын
Oh my, this changes everything! max's personal anger and frustration for this is understandable, but maybe he shouldn't have acted that harshly in Brazil, considering the good things that Perez still did for him.
@missaelknight
Жыл бұрын
Does it really changes anything? Why are we hearing about this 6 months later? If Max wasn't in this position, would we be hearing about this???
@notyouraverageasian9385
Жыл бұрын
@@missaelknight i guess max just didn't want to make a big fuss over it and kept it to himself, but maybe he did share his feelings to the team and demands that no one instruct him to let checo through in the future. Afterall, its anyone's guess to what really happened as no further information was disclosed to the media. edit: what i meant when i said it changes everything is maybe checo really has some negative intentions at the beginning of the year
@ethanstrunk7698
Жыл бұрын
Checo's apex speed was 10kph under the previous lap when he crashed. He def made a mistake as when the tires lose grip and burnout its easy to see the engine spool up too hot and thus throttle overapplied. Came in slow tried to make up for it with throttle and spun out.
@fredericchopin5993
Жыл бұрын
Literally everything adds up that this was done on purpose: - Sudden 95% throttle application before (!) the apex - No countersteering (biggest giveaway) - No logic compared to previous laps - Max's reaction in Brazil makes sense because why would he do that otherwise? - The fact that it was an open secret in the paddock. As soon as the brazil gp ended, Martin Brundle brought up Monaco already...
@stickybuds05
Жыл бұрын
For me, the weird thing is not only the aggressive, mis-timed blip, but also while he was standing on full brakes. That's a guarantee to make the car swap ends, like doing a donut. Either way I still think max is being petty considering all Checo did for him and the fact that this WDC is already his.
@MrDrBlahh
Жыл бұрын
The telemetry for brakes isnt really accurate. Itll show brake application even when they just lift.
@marki1013
Жыл бұрын
I think Checo did nothing wrong Remember all the time he let through Max, even when he didnt want to (Spain) Ill keep those 2 points in my mind if he finishes 3rd
@GazRsExtremeBrickMachines
Жыл бұрын
The Spanish one was the only one Max may have struggled to overtake due to his faulty DRS! In all the others Max was overtaking Perez whether he likes it or not. Just like at Brazil, Perez didn’t let him pass Max just overtook him. Perez knows what to say to the media though and made out he let him by lol
@bjrnchrstn
Жыл бұрын
Those two points more would still have him at third cos he failed once again. With that car he should have wrapped up p2 easily but Sombreroboy was on early vacation since France and is mediocre at best.
@haoussazakariaaek3660
Жыл бұрын
Clear as day day. That was a BOOTFUL of throttle there on the second run... And on the entry!
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