To add context to some of my comments in the video, the Rapido 60 has a 125m² (1,345 ft²) main sail and a righting moment of approximately 60 tons which is about double the righting moment of an IMOCA 60 monohull which is limited to 25.5 tons per the class rules. An IMOCA 60 costs about $10M to build while a Rapido 60 "only" costs about $2M, including profit margin for the builder, so actual production costs would be lower. So double the righting moment at 1/5 the cost. The pros who sail IMOCA 60s and Ultimes singlehanded spend months if not years training and preparing the boat, plus they have large on-shore support teams, and overall comparatively massive budgets due to sponsorship. The Rapido 60 will generate sheet loads of several tons in 20 knots of breeze. The a 42' / 12.8m monohull that I raced with a crew and also double-handed with my wife "only" generated sheet loads up to about a ton, which is much less, but still plenty when you're flying a spinnaker in 25 knots of wind at night and something goes wrong. So when I sold the monohull and bought a racing trimaran a few years ago I got something smaller to keep the loads manageable,, as we typically race double-handed. The chandleries I've been to only carried line up to about 12mm / 0.5" and hardware with safe working load (SWL) ratings of about a ton. Some have commented that chandleries in other parts of the world carry larger gear, so this will definitely be location dependent, but I have typically had to special order anything larger than that. I love how Rapido is trying to make high-performance trimarans and I think the Rapido 60 would be a great boat for the Caribbean regatta circuit and I really hope Riley and Elayna can make it work as a family cruiser. Thanks for watching and for all your comments!
@SailingLaVagabonde
9 ай бұрын
The righting moment is 60t. Haven’t seen the vid yet just correcting errors.
@LoanwordEggcorn
9 ай бұрын
Please see my response below Riley's response in the next comment.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
@@SailingLaVagabonde Thanks for clarifying - I didn’t have the ama volume when I did the math so I assumed there was more volume than there is - I’ve fixed the comment based on your feedback!
@mikesh8968
9 ай бұрын
The only thing I know the load is x^2 to the wind. And trying to trim down in a blow is hard even for professional crew. Speed is fun in a race. Cruising with kids Speed became a problem. As much as he sailed he surprised me fot not picking up a true blue water boat. Could just pick a 55 catamaran same mfg. I sailed on a tri build by Gold Coast yacth. I was just a crew.... Fun....but not for me. Mono or normal cats u f up They forgive u (mono easier to sail hard) Racing tri....will hurt you
@LoanwordEggcorn
9 ай бұрын
@@mikesh8968 Rapido is a performance cruiser that can be raced, but is not a pure racing boat. It's a bluewater boat people use to cruise all the time. It's easy to simply run less power. Generally speaking, trimarans are safer than catamarans, and catamarans are safer than monohulls. Trimarans are the hardest to capsize and have the most righting moment.
@SailingLaVagabonde
9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video mate and thanks as well for your concern. 😊. So a few things here. -We were sailing it harder *because* we had crew. Were it just Elayna and I we may have had just the staysail up and no main in 25 knots or at least two reefs in the main. You sail to your capabilities onboard. This is an important thing many people forget, you don’t need to bomb around with your full sail up and a yacht that truly performs will sail well even with little sail up. -because it points so well it’s actually quite easy on many occasions to single hand with the self tracker, it really climbs upwind and you just swing the helm over like it ain’t no thang 🤙 - the reef lock system we have since gone through together in a Marina and then on the ocean again. We’ve made incremental progress and I have a few tricks I’d like to try out. We need to do more training and are desperate to do this not just to learn but because this boat is so much fun to sail. The kids are slowing us down a little however, so soon we will organise a great crew to assist us for a learning period before it all becomes second nature. What I can tell you is I’ve never been more excited to learn to sail something. Thanks everyone for watching and this comments section is in general full of good will and reasonable opinions. That’s cool.
@jordanzyla3377
9 ай бұрын
You guys are awesome I'm so excited for every episode now the Rapido is an awesome vessel
@sandorjablonkay5478
9 ай бұрын
Riley's got this! After watching Riley and Elayna sail for a few years now, I would trust him with my life. Riley's a world class decision maker and there's no way he's not figuring this boat out and owning it's ass!
@JP-lz3vk
9 ай бұрын
Fair winds, Riley. I hope we're all wrong about the boat, but its a racing beast you'd want for the Vendee Globe and not a family sailing yacht...
@michaelroberts7549
9 ай бұрын
A very gracious response. I look forward to seeing more of your adventures with the new Rapido.
@BobFirth
9 ай бұрын
This is an amazing boat and Riley I’m sure excited to sail it. My concern is that this might not be the boat to raise a family on. It is obviously that they are going to need crew to help Elayna keep the kids safe plus someone to help with actually sailing the boat. The only place to put them is in the outriggers, since there are just two cabins. They have greatly reduced their living space just as the kids get more active. The kids are use to being able to get around the boat and the netting is not safe underway. Living in just the main cabin is just not enough room for them. I’m not sure how the channel will evolve. Maybe the kids can spend more time in Bali and Riley can live out his extreme sailing dreams. I just see them continuing as a family at sea on such an extreme sailing vessel hard to do. I wish them well but just concerned Riley’s desire for living on an ultra high performance sailboat might be hard to do as the boys enter their more active years.
@gregoryschmidt1233
9 ай бұрын
If I were the president of Rapido, I'd have been beyond mortified to send out a boat that leaks, has hardware coming unmounted, and two malfunctioning engines! Not exactly a resounding endorsement for the quality or ruggedness of your builds, sir.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Yes I’m looking forward to seeing how Rapido responds to this!
@russmarkham2197
8 ай бұрын
Yes, I could not believe they allowed the sea into the diesel. Screw up from Rapido and Yanmar.
@SailingTipsCa
8 ай бұрын
@@russmarkham2197 Yes this is a known problem with known solutions!
@Nill757
8 ай бұрын
It doesn’t look like Rápido has water - dock access without a crane. So launching the boat for tests w a simple carrier, finding problems, hauling out again was really not feasible as it would be with most all boat yards. Or, perhaps trimarans won’t fit common carriers?
@SailingTipsCa
8 ай бұрын
@@Nill757 The problem is the huge beam (width) of these things - the Rapido 60 is 38.4 feet wide and the biggest Travel Lift in my area can “only” accommodate a beam of 22.5 feet.
@harlandfazardo799
9 ай бұрын
This seems more like a race type boat, not a boat that you raise your family on and leisurely travel the oceans.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
It’s not a full-on racer but definitely a performance-oriented boat!
@chrisc1644
9 ай бұрын
This is obvious!
@garthharrington9683
9 ай бұрын
@@SailingTipsCa Well done, I see 1K likes for this video. I would like to know what IF would think and I bet his view about large trimarans would temper to more positive with the technological advancements of today. All machines are a compromise between imagination and the laws of physics and material science. It’s so much fun to see how imagination can push the envelope by “ arranging the fibreglass in a more efficient manner” to quote IF
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
@@garthharrington9683 Yes too bad Ian Farrier isn’t’ around anymore! Technology has certainly enabled many things (e.g. foiling) that were previously not possible due to limitations of material science.
@walkaboutdavo
9 ай бұрын
weres the Beneateu?)))😂
@hannujarvela9209
9 ай бұрын
They are on a learning curve. Performance boats need performance sailing attitude and the attitude change might be bigger than expected. It's hard to think far forward if your learning curve limits your tought range to stay inside the boat. The video didnt explain why they didnt furl the flogging sail or how were they not able to depower the boat? Inexperience or really a suprise squall? Weather radar helps on that and (maybe) they need the extra time on a bigger boat that a radar gives. The boat is fine. They just need to use smaller sails. a smaller jib on the roller, smaller roach on the mainsail, maybe even a mainsail that is "reef1" for easier control. Doesnt look as cool tough, I know. If your idea is to cruise effortlessly and worryfree around the world, then high performance sail setup is not that. With smaller sails the boat will be a very stable and safe platform, as it is meant to hold alot more canvas. Is a performance boat with a cruising suited sail set a race horse pulling shit-carts? In my opinion no. It will beat any cruising oriented cat under sail, exspecially upwind even if they had half of the sail they do now. Those party dresses could be used when sailing crewed, racing or when the kids grow up. Notable is also that more rapid and sharp movement of the boat. That will take some time to adapt. Some people never do and change back to a catamaran.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
No the video didn’t explain why they didn’t furl the staysail, but I’ll harbour a guess that they 1) believed it was the right sail for the job so 2) they were trying to steer downwind and expected it to fill once they did that 3) the sailplan was overpowered by the main and the boat went into irons (stuck head to wind) which meant they couldn’t steer down. Boats with huge roachy mains can go into irons very easily if you’re not expecting it. I agree that the boat itself is a very stable platform and not the problem per se. As you noted a more conservative sail plan including a pinhead main might be the ticket if they’re short-handed. I was also surprised by the pitching motion of the boat from the drone shots. It’s characteristic of lighter boats but I thought the T-foil rudder would have prevented that. But maybe they weren’t going fast enough for the T-foil to be effective.
@hannujarvela9209
9 ай бұрын
@@SailingTipsCa If I understood correctly they had 2 guys from Rapido sailing with them so getting overpowered by the main and getting an unsteerable boat would have been a grammarschool mistake OR the guys were good shipwrights but not that experienced power-multi sailors. If the latter, the they are wrong crew for a 600 mile shakedown. Guessing is the trademark of the armchair sailors, so I'll make mine: The furler got stuck. after that they were having escalating problems on a short handed crew. Too much canvas up started it. Why didnt they lower the sail is also beyond me. Obviously the mast was still supported when the tack with the furler came lose. It is a fight if something like that happens even with a full crew and will overburden a 2 man crew easily on a much smaller boat. The boat bit them from the arse as the leash was too slacky due to learning curve. At least it was a real shakedown and small misjudgements are pretty common when learning new things. They got the furler back, the sail is repairable, boat is upright and crew is with all fingers still. You can get into worse accident with bicycle.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
@@hannujarvela9209 Yes they did have some guys from Rapido on board and I’m not aware of their sailing experience on boats of this size given that Rapido has only produced a handful of them so far. I also don’t have a ton of experience on boats this size but did spend a couple of weeks this past summer on boats with very similar headsail setups with Karver halyard locks and structural furlers. Both are finicky and require practice to use because there’s a very specific procedure to furl and/or lower the sail. Essentially you have to start by going in the opposite direction as the final result to “unlock” either the furler or halyard lock. I can’t tell exactly what kind of furler is on that staysail but as you noted there’s a distinct possibility that they did try to furl but it jammed and/or they may have been fighting the lock and/or trying to furl in the wrong direction. And the halyard is only strong enough to raise the sail because the lock takes the sailing loads. So I think there’s a distinct possibility the light 1:1 halyard would have broken under the flogging sail as it would be weaker than the 2:1 tack line that actually did break. But then the sail would have fallen into the ocean connected by only the sheets. Not sure if that would have been better. The structural stay on the furled jib would have kept the mast up so no concerns there.
@jamesaron1967
9 ай бұрын
There seemed to be a substantial amount not mentioned in the Vagabond's video. I don't think we have all the crucial information. Much of what's being commented here about their rocky passage is conjecture without being there or being told everything. Agreed about what you said concerning the sail plan.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
@@jamesaron1967 Definitely don’t have all the information, but I really think that staysail downhaul should have been 3:1 instead of 2:1 which might have prevented that particular failure. I’ve been on much smaller boats with 3:1.
@martiniracer2150
9 ай бұрын
A 60-80ft monohull would have been a better choice, ketch rigged boats are great as no one sail is very big and is easy to keep sailing in stronger wind simply by cutting the number of sails up.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Ketches are definitely a great way to get the sail area while keeping individual sail sizes manageable!
@americanswan
9 ай бұрын
I am not a sailor and I was concerned with everything breaking in the their last video. I was concerned the build quality was an issue but this video and comment section really point out build quality is not the issue. Rapido build good boats. Glad to hear it. So now the concern is the boat is too powerful and massive loads are on various points of the system. I am glad Riley is informed and dealing with the situation and willing to learn.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Yes I’m really hoping they can make this boat work!
@keithhall9298
9 ай бұрын
If you are asking its either drama chasing latitudes or having no safety lines and an exposed helm have brought to a point that a racing yacht isn't a family yacht-it remains to be seen.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I’m looking forward to seeing what they come up with and where this goes!
@Freetalkfm
9 ай бұрын
I follow them and love thier story. I was also concerned they have taken on too much on this one . Hopefully they get a good experienced crew to help.
@nooneanybodyknows7912
9 ай бұрын
Perhaps you haven't seen their Instagram shorts post. Sailboats were shown being demasted under a bridge during Hurricane Idalia. They, along with Young Cruisers Association staff, were shown laughing and making fun of the unfortunate sailors. It was disgusting! Sailing LaVagabonde and Young Cruisers Association staff members' actions are appalling!👎
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Yes they need to see themselves as the role models they are and set a good example!
@nooneanybodyknows7912
9 ай бұрын
@SailingTipsCa I don't consider them role models. Their moral and ethical standards pale in comparison. I once, when they were young, enjoyed their channel. Now I find it difficult to say anything positive about them. Especially after they laughed and mocked the demasting sailboats crashing under a bridge. I don't have the stomach for this behavior. 🤮
@MrBlurbman
9 ай бұрын
I guess that Riley might have to settle for sailing this beast extremely conservatively in the interest of safety and forego some the performance capability.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Yes I suspect he will when sailing short-handed. He did say they pushed the boat because they had crew.
@KM-oh3kw
9 ай бұрын
This couple 's vanity is affecting thier decisions. Legends in thier own minds. Whats the rush, isnt this cruising? Safety with power and speed is a fine balance even in good weather. Hitting a rabbit at 240km driving the autobahn- even in a new BMW- is never good.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Impact damage from floating debris is definitely a greater concern when you’re sailing faster!
@vandalorian8777
9 ай бұрын
Definitely the wrong boat for a family. Sailing is uncomfortable enough at times for a family. Why would you trade a much more uncomfortable boat for speed when you never have to be anywhere.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
That’s a good point - sailing on a schedule can introduce issues as happened with the shakedown sail where they had to leave with a suboptimal forecast!
@calanmacleod3948
9 ай бұрын
Good advice.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@Mikesroadtrip-ec5kp
9 ай бұрын
When they showed it the first time. I said what? I think they did.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I hope they can make it work!
@Antipodean33
9 ай бұрын
A 60 foot tri that is quick with massive sails, complex reefing etc doesn't seem like a smart boat to sail the world in with a wife and 2 very young kids. This is purely a selfish decision by the captain, this is a boat that he wants and he hasn't given any thought to how practical it will be for a couple with 2 young kid. This is the type of boat that needs to be sailed by a group of young men yahooing across the worlds oceans
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Yes this would be a great boat for the Caribbean racing scene so I hope they can make it work as a family cruiser!
@robinj6997
9 ай бұрын
hehe "Small boat, small problems" - Sven Yrvind
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I’m a big believer in that having learned first hand!!!
@davidmacpherson4673
9 ай бұрын
I watched that trip and I just can not get my head around how that boat is suitable for two kids and a wife , a racing crew okay , but it’s no live aboard with a family and just seems incredibly open to being swept overboard in bad weather.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I can really imagine a race crew having a blast on the Rapido 60 on the Caribbean racing scene and staying aboard for the events but that’s quite different than a cruising family with two small kids!!!
@michaelh8854
9 ай бұрын
It looks like there isn’t even benches and a table outside for the family to eat or lie down during easy sailing. No chairs at the helm. No where safe on the front of the boat to lie on a bean bag chair or work out like they used to
@marisolalmenara7658
9 ай бұрын
I agree. This boat looks so dangerous for the kids when out sailing. They can't even be outside walking around. There is no protection. It is definitely not a family boat and I am surprised because that is what his wife wanted, something safe specially after that crossing through the Atlantic to Europe that they were caught in huge waves and Eleyna didn't enjoy. @@michaelh8854
@77space-vt8wi
6 ай бұрын
Did Riley get the right boat for their needs and want? The answer to that is explored in-depth on Jason and Nikki Wynns KZitem Channel "Gone with the Wynns". Reportedly blue water cruisers (mono hull and Cat) spend 98% of their time on anchorage. The Wynns did extensive research before they decided to replace their aged Cat with a carbon fiber Eco Drive HH44OC. that generates considerable electricity under sail from thire twin spinning propellers. Look a the Wynns Channel and compare their 2024 state of the art HH44OC to Riley's 2024 with three hulls that is absolutely magnificant particularry if you need a little speed now and then.
@edsinofsky
9 ай бұрын
I own a 24 Farrier trimaran and even being small things can go wrong quickly when powered on a fast tri. I also think they went too big.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Yes things can happen quickly! I also think the F-24 is a great boat - it was the boat that introduced me to multis!!!
@TheJttv
9 ай бұрын
I agree. I there is nothing "cruising" about this and i have questioned the sanity of it since they announced it particularly with the two kids and overall tight nature of the boat.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I think they should have gotten the 40 until their kids were bigger, and then once they could participate in the sailing then maybe the 60 might have been more suitable!
@LoanwordEggcorn
9 ай бұрын
Lots of people safely cruise Rapidos.
@Papaondas
9 ай бұрын
in heavy seas with 2 small children on board ? no, we do not see this at all , you do not know anything about sailing ultra fast cruising boats @@LoanwordEggcorn
@LoanwordEggcorn
9 ай бұрын
@@Papaondas Agree they don't usually do it with small children, but adults cruise Rapidos successfully. See also weather routing. Smart sailors avoid bad weather as much as possible, with the aid of modern weather forecasting. And the faster the boat, the easier it is to avoid or outrun storms if they happen unexpectedly.
@leudast1215
7 ай бұрын
@LoanwordEggcorn you cannot outrun a storm and weather routing requires the internet which can go down to weather or hardware failure. Never work with machinery your principle first attitude is a danger to yourself and others
@stephenlaw7018
9 ай бұрын
If Riley feels the need for speed then maybe he should do some crewing on a race boat from time to time.... Getting to the next port a day or two early is not worth the risk IMHO. He said he can sail it in a safer mode but then what's the point? The old boat, or maybe a similar upgrade would have been better.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
This is pretty much what I did - got a full-on racer which performs spectacularly and then you’re also not dragging around your heavy household belongings either!
@gavmurray7398
9 ай бұрын
Riley will get up to speed but it will be whether Elayna can handle arriving at each new port feeling like shes just done the sydney to Hobart.. wont need much of a near miss with the kids for mum to put her foot down and get a different boat
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I hope they can make it work!
@cryptodass7609
9 ай бұрын
The business of apparently being "The number 1 sailing channel' means you gotta keep the likes coming and keep pushing...Hope it doesn't wreck em though...
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I hope so too!
@evinwhiteson4902
9 ай бұрын
Its the perfect boat for riley. But its a anti babies onboard family boat 100 percent
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Yes it is the perfect boat for Riley given his go-fast itch but it will be interesting to see how compatible that is with raising a family on board! Hopefully they can find a solution!
@Airriel333
9 ай бұрын
this is not a family safe boat for kiddos and no space for the boys to move about or play. Family is beautiful and I AM VERY CONCERNED...
@nl7002
8 ай бұрын
Riley cares about Riley... Always been the case.@@Airriel333
@itp1967
9 ай бұрын
Glad to see this video, I've been watching those guys since the beginning and thought the same thing. The rapido 60 is a nice boat but not suitable for a husband and wife team with 2 young kids. I was thinking the catamaran was a much better family boat.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Yes this would be a good boat for the Caribbean regatta circuit so I’m hoping they can also make it work as a family boat!
@russmarkham2197
8 ай бұрын
I disagree. I think the trimaran is suitable for a family. As Riley says, it needs to be sailed conservatively. Trimaran is safer than both cats and monohulls in certain respects. The biggest positives are the many waterproof segments (unsinkable), and the shallow draft when rudder and dagger board are up, and the two engines.
@SailingTipsCa
8 ай бұрын
@@russmarkham2197 Yes the multiple watertight compartments in each hull are a huge plus for the trimaran form!
@itp1967
7 ай бұрын
It's not the sailing I was thinking about, it was the living arrangements as well, It's a family of 4 and they sometime travel with crew, and that boat only has 2 staterooms. Crazy! @@russmarkham2197
@neilshahndynasty.8882
9 ай бұрын
Yes they got the wrong boat for A family.They got the right boat for A sailor that wants to go fast and not have A family on board. imo.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
It would be a great boat for the Caribbean regatta circuit - hopefully they can also make it into a family cruiser!
@mikedelay8373
9 ай бұрын
After watching their shakedown cruise the first thing that came to mind was this boat is way to much for them. I hope they get things figured out because I enjoy their content
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I completely agree on all accounts!
@yvonnekneeshaw2784
9 ай бұрын
So far … it doesn’t feel like right boat for them
@redbovine
9 ай бұрын
I think a lot of it was the timeline for leaving the country. They were basically forced out due to immigration laws into bad weather. There was no easing into it.
@smulismuli7976
9 ай бұрын
@@redbovine there's never easing into a weather...weather happens when it happens and people should forget that bs about "fast boat out running a storm"...that's just childish thinking trying to justify your boat choices like it's somekind of safety measure while it's probably the opposite. Get a boat that can handle, and you can handle the boat, in rough weather. Everything else is just wishful thinking. Watched the videos on last sail and that constant hull "clunking" in the waves would be driving me mad
@KeithStrang
9 ай бұрын
@@smulismuli7976 They were trying to avoid prison time, not outrun weather. The conditions sucked but they boat and crew handled it. If it were a different boat it wouldn't have been much different.
@dalyne7050
9 ай бұрын
I thought it was a huge mistake when they announced that they were getting a Rapido 60. IMO, Riley was only thinking of himself and what he wanted, not his family nor their safety. Elayna really wasn't that enthused about it if you go back and watch her reactions (you can see some concern from her). I have seen their videos with the Rapido. Its launch and sea trial only strengthen my first thought, mistake. Side note, does anyone else think the interior design is ummm? Again, just my observations and opinions.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Yes I hope it doesn’t become a divisive issue in the family. And I’m not sure they thought about the dark interior from a filming perspective as it seems suboptimal in that regard!
@sailorlac
8 ай бұрын
the interior is awful@@StormyLynn724
@itp1967
7 ай бұрын
Yup, the interior brings the resale value way down. I like those guys and love their adventure, but a trimaran would be great for a couple, but not a young family IMO. Just hope they stay safe.
@RobHealey
9 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing after watching the last episode where they sail to a marina and stop there to get the engine fixed. They've gone too extreme. I hope they work out that although they have a huge sail area, they only need to use about half of it to make good times on passage. Leave full sails up for light wind days and make 2 reefs the standard cruising main area with an easily furled headsail which also is normally set about half furled. And reduce sail at night as standard practice because sail handling is harder to do in the dark. I know that sailing with a partially furled headsail may be bad for the sail, because it stretches the exposed part, but hopefully with todays sailcloth that doesn't happen so much. Then we have the issues you mentioned about 60 footers using gear that isn't available in the average chandlery and the cost of Marina berths and maneuverability in tight marina spaces.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Yes I really hope they can make it work. The fact that they have a staysail is actually helpful because they can use that as the wind picks up instead of partly furling the working jib (once they get the tack downhaul appropriately strengthened of course). And sailing with a reefed main might be a good cruising practice too, especially if there are squalls in the area!
@testicool013
9 ай бұрын
Absolute nonsense
@Jeff8737
9 ай бұрын
Yes. They clearly got the wrong boat. Numerous peeps on the internet pointed this out to Riley when they initially announced the decision. Many of the comments revolved around the fact that they have children and the ideal boat for them needs to take that into account. I remember one poster equating it to a man with a family of 4 somehow managing to convince his wife that it would be a good idea to sell their mini-van and get a Ferrari instead.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I look forward to seeing what they come up with!
@judd7699
9 ай бұрын
😂
@richardelder256
9 ай бұрын
I did a high performance 58' cruising catamaran project back when there were few such animals on the planet. I agree with the many commentators: The Rapido 60 is absolutely the wrong boat to go to sea with two young kids and a wife busy minding them on board. Sell it now! The "right" boat for that mission is a 50-60' center cockpit monohull. Find a well sorted out used boat of premium build quality and put the other million and a half into a nice farm in NZ! Or gold bars!
@simoneconsciousobserver3105
9 ай бұрын
The really kewl thing is that if Elyana and Riley decide it isn't the right boat, they'll be able to get another one
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
@@simoneconsciousobserver3105 Yes they have the resources and contacts!
@EdwardTeach-k6d
8 ай бұрын
The Sailing La Vagabond family definitely has more sailing experience than I do, but I agree with this video. I' purchased a new multihull from a factory in France that was too big for my family to handle and sold when reality sunk in. I always needed to a hire crew from France. This means paying crew insurance, airfare, and salaries. Not to mention the lack of privacy. Looking up at this size mast and sails are intimidating to say the least. In my humble opinion yacht needs 2-3 burly sailors to handle systems at a minimum. No offense to Alyna but she is tiny. You never think an accident will happen to you at sea. But, when it does you need to be prepared and it scares the s^^&% out of everyone. Respect sailing and oceans or you will die its that simple. From the pictures it looks small but it looks like a massive racing boat. A gunboat catamaran of this size definitely needs a crew.
@SailingTipsCa
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience! I’m pretty fit and I find manhandling sails larger than 750 square feet / 70 square metres is pretty hard with just one or two people and Riley and Elayna’s new boat has several sails that are 2-3x this size!
@treasurecoastgypsy
9 ай бұрын
I think ,if he is seious about his family's safety, he would of kept the " cruising catamaran" insted of a " racing " pedigree boat for a couple with two small children. The seamanship criteria doesnt add up !
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Yes maybe kept the cruising boat and joined a racing team on another boat to satisfy the need for speed?
@DJ70404
7 ай бұрын
Riley and Alana used to be worth watching, they where fresh and amateur. Now, they are just a business, I dont watch them anymore. and its about the money.
@SailingTipsCa
7 ай бұрын
It’s a common evolutionary path for lots of KZitemrs…
@sdHansy
6 ай бұрын
Can be said for the majority of these sailing, van, etc channels. It's all about selling BS to their poor fanbase (food products, VPNs, better help, etc). Not discosing that they get the products for free themselves AND an insane amount of money.
@SailingTipsCa
6 ай бұрын
@@sdHansy Advertising dollars drive much of the world as we know it…and more than we would like to acknowledge…
@bluerisevision1778
5 ай бұрын
Omg no, I love them more everyday. Seeing their kids grow it’s been amazing. Plus, they have to pay for the boat lol. You guys….
@JillyHargvaoo
5 ай бұрын
Riley is horrendously controlling. I think he is an entitled little rich boy and used to getting his own way. Riley comes FIRST in Riley's world
@zzzxxzzz3248
9 ай бұрын
Being in the elements at the helm is dumb . Besides that , Elayna has meltdowns if she has to mother the children for very long without a nanny to take over . Crew and a nanny makes it a crowded boat .
@thefarmerswifeknits6190
9 ай бұрын
I noticed that also.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Yes the living accommodations are suboptimal for the family plus nanny and crew - a performance cat would have been better in that regard.
@raha1277
8 ай бұрын
Yes they absolutely did, they still have Riley sleeping in the galley with one of the kids. Thats only going to work for another year or two max.
@SailingTipsCa
8 ай бұрын
Yes this would be an awkward arrangement as the kids get older!
@deerfootnz
9 ай бұрын
I agree the boat is wrong. Its too small, too high performance, has too lively a motion. The outremer 55 would be the right boat or a big Atlantic cat.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Those would both be excellent choices!
@mikejelinek1413
9 ай бұрын
You can see the stress on both of their faces. I feel bad for them really in a tough spot, personally, I thought they were making a mistake going to the Pacific, the whole family seemed very happy in the Caribbean.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I think the main reason they went to the Pacific is because they happened to take delivery of the Rapido in Vietnam. I hope they can find happiness!
@rickemmet1104
9 ай бұрын
As concerned as I am about the safety of all on board La Vagabonde, they can route themselves to avoid most of the bad stuff that can come their way. I hope they do!@@SailingTipsCa
@SailingLaVagabonde
9 ай бұрын
One does tend to experience stress when surrounded by storms packing 40-50+ knots…
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
@@SailingLaVagabonde Yes the timing of the departure for multiple logistical reasons was suboptimal and I think any sailor would have experienced stress in those conditions!
@PatrickFranzCA
9 ай бұрын
I sail a 68' mono. I use the standard boom reef and halyard system as you likely do and have had no issues. Plus hardware, lines etc are readily available in North America, at least. They will not need crew, they just need to make some adjustments and figure out the systems.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
The Rapido 60 main is 125m² (1,345 ft²) and their boat has about five times the righting moment of a monohull that size so the loads are HUGE!!! My neck of the woods doesn’t have lines/hardware bigger than 12mm/0.5 inch nor hardware with breaking strength of more than a couple of tons, but some areas are apparently better equipped. I must spend too much time in sailing backwaters!
@garthharrington9683
9 ай бұрын
@@SailingTipsCa it’s always good to support the local Chandlery community but I think the call would go via Starlink to headquarters of whatever system they need help with. I also think your backwater would be better supplied than some of the anchorages they plan on visiting.
@Airriel333
9 ай бұрын
Don't agree...this does not have living space for children and they do need crew and this is way too much boat IT"S BEAUTIFUL, powerful and fast...but the 2 of them sailing it alone ..NOT SAFE not the best floorplan for the children and rigging etc needs re-thinking
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
@@garthharrington9683 Starlink is definitely a game changer but it doesn’t make shipping of parts any more reliable to many parts of the world!
@wabuchanan
9 ай бұрын
@@Airriel333 They have clearly stated more than once, they will have crew onboard. They have had crew onboard the Outremer for much of the sailing they have done in the past.
@ozwrangler.c
7 ай бұрын
Everyone is being quite polite, so I'll say it: It's a selfish choice of boat. Riley has put performance fun over practicality for his family
@SailingTipsCa
7 ай бұрын
I've often thought that an Outremer 55 or 5X would provide better performance than their old boat but still much more livable space!
@pamelaruben4644
9 ай бұрын
I posted my own thoughts on their channel. I think their priorities were quite wrong. There is more to life than 20 knots. if the boat is your family home. This is a totally unsuitable and unsafe boat for very young children who will have nowhere to run around and play inside or out and will be confined to a tiny, narrow, cramped noisy space. The original plan showed Crew quarters in the side hulls, which looked absurd and dangerous. Putting a perhaps needy Third World nanny or anyone in there would be of real concern. Where's the ventilation or climate control? I thought the children looked exhausted and Alena has suffered from exhaustion in the past. She runs the business, editing the videos. The dangerous situation at the helm has been commented on by many people. A great pity as life seemed so good on their catamaran. I remember Riley saying to Elena that she would have to be able to understand and do everything herself on the catamaran if he was unwell. How could she possibly here?
@pamelaruben4644
9 ай бұрын
Sorry. Eleyna❤
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Maybe Elayna and the boys will fly from location to location while Riley sails with a crew?
@harten66
9 ай бұрын
Im not gunna lie, I already miss the last boat
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
It was a nice boat!
@nz_sailor
8 ай бұрын
That was the perfect platform for what they were doing. Sailing about and vlogging. The money and energy poured into this new project, in my mind anyway could have been put to good use exploring the far flung reaches of the planet.
@jamesaron1967
8 ай бұрын
@@nz_sailor I think they have some help with the financing and I don't mean their successful channel. The Rapido 60 is a very expensive yacht especially outfitted the way it is.
@buffalokay
6 ай бұрын
SAME
@aliciadear
7 ай бұрын
The space and onboard safety for little kids has had me concerned since the made the announcement! Not practical. Maybe when the boys are teens, but not now..
@SailingTipsCa
7 ай бұрын
Yes it would be great if the kids were a bit older and could help sail the boat!
@bob75819
8 ай бұрын
I watched their tour of the boat and it looked like something the seventies threw up
@SailingTipsCa
8 ай бұрын
I understand they wanted a “non-traditional” interior!
@kevind1555
9 ай бұрын
I'm not sure if this is the right boat for them at this time in their lives... I know that Riley wants speed...but I think more of a cruising catamaran might be a better choice for their young family... We'll see...Time will tell... I wish them good luck and good sailing...👍
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Yes too bad the kids aren’t a bit older to help sail the boat!
@kevind1555
9 ай бұрын
@@SailingTipsCa Yes... But we don't want to rush things... Kids should be kids as long as they can be kids... childhood is the best time of their lives...👍
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
@@kevind1555 Excellent point!
@leonply
9 ай бұрын
During their planning phase, Riley and Elayna were determined that they would generally have at least four adults and two children on board at all times. There simply isn't enough room to house that many people, in such a narrow hull. Riley said that they could have people sleeping in the amas, but that would lead to constant injuries when under way. It's a pretty boat, but it is for just a few people who love to go fast and don't need a larger living area for day to day matters.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I think it would be a great boat for the Caribbean racing circuit, or even for them once their kids get a bit older and can help with the sailing. I’m not sure how realistic sleeping in the amas would be while underway, in part because getting in and out while underway would be dangerous, not only due to the risk of falling overboard but you really want to keep those things closed and watertight while underway!
@jamesaron1967
9 ай бұрын
How would sleeping in the amas cause injuries? Do you mean during ingress and egress?
@deankruse2891
9 ай бұрын
It’s 60 feet long and it has more than enough space for even 6 adults. It’s a large boat. It is a boat though and it isn’t pretending to be a condominium. It’s a priority to make fast and exciting g passage making safe for the family, all of the “comforts” they are missing out on are trivial, the boat is amazing.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
@@deankruse2891 I agree that it’s a super cool boat and it will be even better when the kids are old enough to help sail it!!!
@deankruse2891
9 ай бұрын
@@SailingTipsCa for sure it will be something exciting for the family to grow in to. You are right about the crazy pressures that rigging can get under. For anyone who sails a boat like that, it’s going to be a shift in prioritizing manageable sail plans and combos for the conditions and passage. I think the maxis start dousing headsails before reefing the giant main unless they are footing or doing consecutive tacks. That main by itself will be enough sail for comfortable and fast short hand passage making at speed
@DavidMcdonald-df8tb
9 ай бұрын
Also the boat has a very small living area. I fear for the kids getting bored and venturing out when the parents turn their heads for a moment and then their gone. I love this family and will be heartbroken if that happens
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I hope they can stay safe!
@BH195829
9 ай бұрын
100%… from the day it was announced, I thought “you have got to be kidding” raising kids and crushing on a race boat?🤔💕🙏🌏
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Would be a great boat for the Caribbean race circuit so hopefully they can also make it work as a family cruiser!
@toesinthesea1829
9 ай бұрын
It will be an interesting year ahead for them as they navigate this new chapter. This boat will definitely bring change for the family & no doubt it will pull in the ratings too. I hope the trials, tribulations & excitement to come keeps the family safe. Watching an experienced crew battle against high winds without safety measures left me with questions. Thanks for the video, an interesting view point.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I’m a huge trimaran fan and love that Rapido is trying to bring larger performance oriented tris to market so I hope Riley and Elayna can make it work!
@brianc4917
9 ай бұрын
I agree with you 100% totally the wrong boat! Why get a boat that you are full exposed while you have to steer the boat. This boat is more for day cruising or racing not offshore cruising! They will never admit it but it comes thru on their videos. A Catamaran is way better for cruising with a family!
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I think this would be a great boat for the Caribbean regatta circuit so we’ll see if they can also make it into a live-aboard cruiser!
@rdholmes2007
9 ай бұрын
I love Riley and Elayna and the boys which is why I am worried about them on Mango Magic. No room for the 2 crew they need to make sailing and filming life onboard, safe and enjoyable. It’s ok to call it a day in 6 months or sooner, sell Mango on and get an Outremer 52 or 5X if they want the extra speed. We would watch them on any boat because it’s about the family and the journey, not the boat or the destination. Mango is a beautiful machine and would have been perfect for the pre-kid years but it’s not the right boat for a young family. My fav times watching the videos have been when they’ve had a lovely nanny to help with the kids and a really capable sailor to assist Riley. The Rapido is not designed for 4 / 5 cabins.. the decision to buy the rapido seems to have been driven by Riley wanting a new sailing experience and a belief that filming it all will help the viewing numbers, but not about the boys or the families general mental health…
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Yes something like an Outremer 5X would have performed well and had tons of accommodation for nanny and crew!
@mytubehkjt
9 ай бұрын
It also looks to be a noisy and very uncomfortable ride.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Carbon boats are very noisy because it’s very good at transmitting vibrations throughout the boat.
@miyu545
9 ай бұрын
With any sailor and sailboat, or even motor boat - you get the boat you need to fit your situation and intent. It struck me that this boat was chosen as a family boat, a home. It's not. It's racing boat. So it can go 20 knots, 25 knots, who cares when you don't have anywhere else to be other than living off the ocean. Made no sense to me. With two kids on board, I think it was a reckless decision - but I do hope they figure it out.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I love this boat but think a performance cat, or Riley joining a racing program to go fast might have been better for their particular situation! Still as you I hope they can make it work!
@jimdavids6708
9 ай бұрын
It’s really stressful watching the two toddlers confined 24 hours a day in the tiny living space worrying that they will fall overboard. It was a selfish decision to get this boys toy.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I hope they can make it work!
@grahamtrembath4951
9 ай бұрын
Agreed.
@steveturansky9031
9 ай бұрын
I love trimarans. They are spectacular for performance and great for racing, daysailing and short term cruising. It's great how decent modern tris will point with many performance monos. The problems I see with tris for long term cruising are: 1) Very slender main hull does not have near the space as the same sized mono and definitely not comparable to cats. 2) One motor on such a beamy platform makes tris hard to maneuver in tight spaces and lacks the redundancy of 2 motors on the cats. 3) Dinghy storage and access is not as good as a cat or mono. I have a 31' tri (F-9A) and that's always been an issue. A cat is the perfect platform for deploying, retrieving and storing a dinghy. 4) With the speeds a high performance tri will attain, it's going to be a wet ride. The amas will be kicking up more than just a little spray by the time you hit the low teens. It's going to be a fire house when you hit 20. 5) Tris are even more sensitive to extra payload than cats, especially at the ends. At least with cats, a dinghy on davits will be nestled a it forward between the hulls while with a tri, davits will likely hang the weight much further aft. Same with the anchor on the bow. On a cat, there is the possibility of bringing the anchor and chain closer to the mast. On a tri, that weight is likely at the bow. Every boat is a compromise and although I would love to sail a big, fast tri like the Rapido 60, I would have a hard time living and cruising on one. Actually same with the very high performance cats and monos too. Even with the cats issues with pointing, the rest of it's strong points make the cat the best long term cruising platform. I really thought their Outremer 48 or the Cruising family's Outremer 51 offered great cruising speed potential and great space.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I own and race an F-82R trimaran (and also race on other boats) and totally I agree with everything you said!
@abhibeckert
7 ай бұрын
1. have you seen the boat tour? It has plenty of space. 2. They have two motors. One of them failed the first time they sailed it and they've been sailing with the backup without any major issues. The primary engine has probably been installed by now - they said it was on the way in their last video. 3. The Dhingy doesn't seem to be causing any issues. 4. A bit of spray doesn't matter in nice weather, and they generally sail in nice weather. 5. Their dinghy looks pretty light. A big difference between living on a boat, and racing a boat, is you don't need everything to be perfect. They're never sailing anywhere near as fast as they could and the high maximum speed means they can have fun without going anywhere near the limit. And they can just spend an extra week or three at port if the weather forecast is a bit questionable. Sure the first sail was a rough start, but that was largely because they needed to fit with someone else's schedule. The other thing to consider is they needed to pick something interesting, because it's their business to produce interesting content. That dramatic first sail would've made them a *lot* of money.
@maddocmucmaddocmuc5341
9 ай бұрын
yes. wrong boat. I would have gone for the Neel 52. Provides huge amount of space for the family with growing kids. The many problems during the maiden voyage with professional staff on board paints a very bad picture of the rapido 60
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
The Neel 52 would have much more accommodation but less performance, which is what I think Riley was after. Hopefully Rapido can make it right and Riley and Elayna can make it work nonetheless!
@maddocmucmaddocmuc5341
9 ай бұрын
@@SailingTipsCa Correct. But when you sail with a family incl. 2 little Kids, Safety and easy to handle should be top priority. With top speed comes a rough ride. Kids might fall and hurt themselves… Sure, speed is adrenalin and though this might be the perfect ride for Riley, I doubt it is ideal for a family. How about a Neel 52? Riley could carry a hobie cat with him for his need for speed.
@maddocmucmaddocmuc5341
9 ай бұрын
@@SailingTipsCa But Kudo to them telling a story even when things went sout a bit.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
@@maddocmucmaddocmuc5341 Yes a small foiling dinghy would definitely provide lots of the adrenaline! And your’e right kudos to them for telling the story!
@gabebabe1
9 ай бұрын
Watch Alayna’s depression grow with these tiny, uncomfortable living quarters and added danger. They should have bought something luxurious and fast like a McConnaghy MC50
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I’ve never sailed one but it looks like a nice boat with more living space than they currently have!
@murrayspiffy2815
6 ай бұрын
Riley wanted a "sporty boat" over a "practical boat." With two kids and their mother - Riley zigged the "me" tack - when he should have zagged the "we" tack. guess you could say - "situation normal - all fff'd up."
@SailingTipsCa
6 ай бұрын
Yes it will be interesting to see how this all works out - I hope they can somehow make it work!
@DialedN_07
9 ай бұрын
Taking their kids out on the shakedown passage when they knew S would hit the fan was toeing the line of irresponsible.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Might have been better for Riley and the Rapido guys to sail while Elayna and the kids flew!
@nickglasson9123
9 ай бұрын
I can sense some land time for Elayna and the kids while Riley and some mates do some bigger passages while leaning how to sail the rapido 60
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
That is certainly a viable solution!
@AM6154-gk7tx
9 ай бұрын
It's the same story over and over again with some sailors. They start small and the only upgrade they know is bigger, bigger, bigger. Until the point when the boat sails with them instead of them sailing the boat. Fun is replaced with danger, injuries, stress, accidents and damage. Let's hope they come to their senses in time, before something bad happens.
@MA-oq9yp
9 ай бұрын
"Fun is replaced with danger, injuries, stress, accidents and damage" and unfortunately......divorce. Several boats (the last a 48' tub of a cruising cat), 43 years with the 1 wife, I kept the wife 🙂
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Yes that’s the unfortunate reality - hopefully it doesn’t lead to the demise of their relationship! My wife was “tolerant” of sailing so I made the decision to “downsize” to a racing trimaran that I can race double-handed with my buddies while she does her own thing and we live in a nice house on dry land.
@ozwrangler.c
7 ай бұрын
Well, they always joke about how accident prone Riley is. Also, too much footage on the Outremer where he's NOT wearing a lifejacket and/or harness in unsafe conditions ☹️
@SailingTipsCa
7 ай бұрын
@@ozwrangler.c I wish Riley would set a better example with the life jacket / harness thing…
@georgesbonellodupuis8245
9 ай бұрын
I totally agree with everything you said. I was surprised they changed to the Rapido when the Outremeer suited and served them so well. I’m pretty sure they are going to have serious issues when the going gets though..
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I totally get that Riley wants to sail fast, but I’m wondering too if it wouldn’t have been better to keep the Outremer and Riley could go join some racing program on a really hot boat!
@jamesaron1967
9 ай бұрын
He's relatively young. He probably got hooked on the speed of a racing trimaran and badly wanted similar performance. I get it, I'm speed-obssessed too but in a more practical way. This could end up being a $2,000,000 mistake if it turns out to be more than they bargained for. We'll see.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
@@jamesaron1967 I know the speed is certainly addictive but my wife isn’t interested in that, so she stays on land more these days while I race my trimaran!
@youtubeiu997
9 ай бұрын
Exactly!
@Useless_Knowledge07
9 ай бұрын
Outremer is putting out reliable, fast boats..and they already mastered sailing said boat? I guess they wanted more challenging adventures?
@PaulM_aka_4c21
9 ай бұрын
Totally agree, very concerned for them making it difficult to want to watch them anymore. Plus lack of free safe outdoor space for the kids is very worrying as well.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I hope they can make it work!
@ozwrangler.c
7 ай бұрын
Ever spend a day indoors, with way more space, with active kids? Parental sanity at risk 😢
@SailingTipsCa
7 ай бұрын
@@ozwrangler.c LOL excellent point!
@markgumprecht2295
9 ай бұрын
Great video! I built and sailed my own 40 foot tri for my many years, and the loads on a 60 ft boat would be tremendous! No way the staysail should break lose from the deck! No way they should give them this boat until it was fully tested! Watch Nicky and Jason’s video on HH cats testing their boats before turning it over to the owners to see how this is done! They did a terrible job of making this boat safe for kids! No lifelines on the amas? The foredeck is a a very lively area to work on with tris, not much to hang onto. The small nets on either side are not much security. I brought the pulpit on my boat back to the beams, and with some netting, it made this into a very secure area. Hard to have much crew on this boat, as it doesn’t have the accommodations of a cat. I’m sure this boat would be amazing to sail, but a handful in stronger winds.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Cool that you built your own Tri! Yes the loads on this 60 would be enormous and much bigger than what most people would be used to. I also agree that the staysail furler shouldn’t have torn off the deck. I’ve been on much smaller multis with 3:1 downhauls on structural furlers and this one only looked like 2:1. I think them leaving on a forced timeframe was part of the problem. The World Sailing Offshore Special Regulations have good guidelines for safety gear (e.g. lifelines, pulpits) that racers have to follow but cruisers could also benefit from.
@dancarter482
9 ай бұрын
@@SailingTipsCa Can't _believe_ Riley took his family out there like that - just too much pressure on top of getting used to a whole new way of sailing. I don't follow them at all, only watched to see the boat as I've been in discussion with Rapido in the past. All in all not impressed with the company at all. The noise made by those carbon amas is a dealbreaker! Always had my doubts about that exposed raised helm position but was considering an R50 with a decent autohelm system. Now I've seen the cowboy antics like the pigs-ear craning fiasco etc. I think I'll take my business elsewhere!
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
@@dancarter482 Yes might have been better for Riley to have done the shakedown with the Rapido guys while Elayna and the boys fly and meet them at the destination. And all-carbon boats are very noisy inside!!! A more pragmatic solution is glass and epoxy over foam with carbon in key structural areas.
@dancarter482
9 ай бұрын
@@SailingTipsCa Alustar aluminium all the way for me - BIG CAT!
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
@@dancarter482 Aluminum would be another good choice, like a Mumby 48!
@USA4thewin
9 ай бұрын
I did post on their channel during that episode and didnt like that they had the children with them in that dangerous situation. Rapido 60 is a very very expensive boat and really should of been designed better. Dont forget they didnt chose the boat it was given to them for sponsorship purposes.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I don’t have the details on the arrangement with Rapido but I’m sure there were encouraging incentives for taking the flagship model.
@StormyLynn724
8 ай бұрын
I wondered how they could afford building a million dollar boat. Makes sense if it was done for their YT channel. But I fear it’s an unsafe choice for those little boys. 😮
@yeticoncon5136
9 ай бұрын
I have thought this was the WRONG boat for them it is for a racing team not a family
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
This would be a great boat for the Caribbean racing scene so we’ll see if they can make it work as a family cruiser!
@yachticus
8 ай бұрын
I think Riley and Elayna stopped listening to anyone years ago. - and unfortunately that cuts two ways.
@SailingTipsCa
8 ай бұрын
I suppose you don’t wind up with the most-watched sailing channel by doing what everybody else does!
@TBMPilot736
9 ай бұрын
To give you a short answer: yes, absolutely the wrong boat 🙈.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Short and sweet!
@Corey-pd3mi
9 ай бұрын
It was absurd for them to head off on the first sail into that weather. They all talk about new boat issues are to be expected, so why then put yourself at increased risk in poor weather. Given what occurred they are lucky no-one was lost or boat damaged. The guy being lifted off the deck holding the sail was no laughing matter. They didn’t even have working engine if anyone went overboard ffs.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I agree that the situation was unnecessarily perilous! I’m not familiar with the customs rules in Vietnam but if they had to leave I wonder if they could have anchored out somewhere to wait for the weather to pass or if that would have been considered not leaving? It could also be that the Rapido guys had a timeframe they were working to.
@Corey-pd3mi
9 ай бұрын
@@SailingTipsCa There was no doubt bravado from Rapido boss to ‘prove’ his boat could handle it, first sail ex factory was irresponsible though. As captain, and father of two sick kids on board, Reilly should have said no and dealt with whatever issues arose with Vietnam authorities, but I’m guessing it was more about the content
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
@@Corey-pd3mi If they absolutely had to leave and anchoring wasn’t an option they could also have chosen to head in another direction that was more sheltered, possibly “loitered” in the lee of a headland somewhere to wait for the weather to pass. But as you noted having the Rapido boss on board may have contributed. Maybe I’m slow but I find it takes at least a year to get a new-to-me boat dialed in.
@jamesaron1967
9 ай бұрын
@@Corey-pd3mi That's exactly what I was thinking watching this episode. Choices like that don't exactly inspire confidence in the Rapido brand irrespective of the build quality.
@seamusreilly6522
9 ай бұрын
My concern is how easy it is for someone to go overboard, and given that scenario, how quickly can you get back to pick up the casualty. There does not seem to be any rails to prevent accidental trip or stumble.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Yes crew overboard is one of the most serious sailing emergencies and especially in a fast powerful boat! I saw them tell the boys to stay in the cockpit while underway which is helpful, but still difficult to get that thing depowered and turned around if somebody does go over.
@bernardlanguillier7970
9 ай бұрын
I have always thought that they should have gone with an Outremer 52 or 55
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Those would have been excellent choices!
@ctndiaye1
8 ай бұрын
I was concerned and wondered if anyone was going to say anything.
@SailingTipsCa
8 ай бұрын
You’re not alone in your concern!
@rossbarlow6355
9 ай бұрын
You purchased an F1 car to take the family grocery shopping😳🙄
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Definitely a very powerful “daily driver”!
@dansegelov305
9 ай бұрын
I really don't like to criticise them for this choice, after all, they are very experienced sailors. That being said, I really don't get this choice. They could have bought a big, fast cat for the same money, but instead they've significantly reduced their living space and greatly increased the complexity of running the boat, and the only factor it seems to have in it's favour is a couple of extra knots in in the right conditions. I just don't get why they would choose this boat. It's certainly an amazing vessel, but hugely impractical even if it saves you half a day on an Atlantic crossing! They could have bought a new Outremer 52 and put $500k back in the bank!
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
The old Outremer 5X was pretty quick, not sure how it compares to the 52 or 55.
@edwardlong189
9 ай бұрын
Yes, they should have kept the other boat.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I wonder if they’re thinking that too?
@jamesaron1967
9 ай бұрын
What they should have done is upgraded to an Outremer 52. Fantastic yacht. I could be wrong but don't think there's a big difference in cost.
@nickviner1225
9 ай бұрын
I totally agree with you and thought all of this even before it went in the water
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
It will be interesting to see how it works out for them!
@Sailaboat
9 ай бұрын
The mind boggles that Riley brought a race boat for his cruising family. WTF was he thinking, is he a sailor or just a cashed up bogan with more money than brains ?. And he was going to remove his forestay rigging and with someone up the mast ?. WTF.. I wouldn't want him anywhere near my yacht and hope for the families sake that theres an experienced captain behind the scene.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Yes unlashing the forestay was a big OOPS - lucky he didn’t fully undo it and everything ended okay! I hope they can stay safe on this boat!
@xyzct
7 ай бұрын
And what happens if Riley gets hurt in rough conditions?
@SailingTipsCa
7 ай бұрын
Exactly!!! I’m glad they’re sailing with an extra set of hands.
@dawsonellis
9 ай бұрын
Great video - completely agree with everything you’ve said
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Thanks - glad you liked it! After owning a bigger boat my current mantra is to get the smallest boat possible that will do the job!
@user-sj2nr2jh1u
9 ай бұрын
100% agree and have been thinking the same. Hope they will receive your video with the right spirit!
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I really hope so too! I’m not trying to be critical of them nor Rapido but simply convey the message that big powerful boats like this require due care and attention and loads are so high there aren’t many options for gear! Even very experienced monohull sailors are often surprised by the loads and speeds on high-performance multihulls.
@timhennigan4294
9 ай бұрын
They haven't been a "sailing" couple for years now. If significant sailing is to be done, Riley does it and Elayna and kids fly to meet. Then they live on the boat at anchor or dock, as well as for short hops. This pattern will now become more restricted, with Riley wanting to sail more and Elayna less, thinking it even more impractical--and that's what will happen. That's not to say that the Rapido was a good idea. For that determination, ultimately it's up to them, and none of my business.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Yes that may be what they’re thinking - Riley sails and Elayna and the boys fly and they connect up. Looking forward to seeing what they come up with!
@Airriel333
9 ай бұрын
FULLY agree THIS IS TOO MUCH Boat for Riley....way too powerful, big and dangerous and I also agree they need CREW on this to handle it. Just the issues that already happened on the SHAKE DOWN sailing is like a SIGN OR OMEN.. I actually fear for them and this lovely family. REALITY CHECK TIME thank you for the overview again I SEE PROBLEMS and major safety challenges screaming out on this 60 foot RAPIDO it's gorgeous but again a 2 person sailing this...NOT SAFE
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I hope they can somehow find a way to make it work safely!
@jimchambers8810
8 ай бұрын
I think Riley has his wants before his families. Elayna should have reeled him on this selfish project of his. Him banging on about sailing
@SailingTipsCa
8 ай бұрын
Hopefully this doesn’t wind up coming between them!
@shaeheart
9 ай бұрын
You’ve covered the sailing/technical aspects. The two issues I see with this boat are: 1. It’s too small to live aboard for a growing family who also want crew/friends/ nanny on board. They underestimate how much living space is needed for a growing family, homeschool, work, friends, relaxing, sleeping crew etc. 2. The interior looks like someone with ADHD had lots of ideas and used them all. The living/kitchen interior is very dark which is causing filming problems. They now have massive tonal contrast in their filming and are struggling with very dark holes in the interior background with no detail. They have no light interior surfaces to reflect light. They are now talking to camera sitting in the doorway to get the reflective light from the white exterior. From a photography perspective it’s a disaster.
@wright85
9 ай бұрын
Yes, totally agree with your comments regarding the interior. I have been following them for years so was very surprised by the decorating choices. As you pointed out, they need to at least lighten up the dark areas for the sake of better filming results. I find the interior quite depressing.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I think they were trying to get away from the typical white interior and get something more “trendy” but as you noted it has been sub-optimal from a filming perspective!
@shaeheart
9 ай бұрын
@@SailingTipsCa thankfully Rapido talked Riley out of keeping the entire interior black carbon fibre or they’d be living and filming in a black hole.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
@@shaeheart Yes black carbon looks cool at first, but the pros on IMOCAs, VOR 65s complain about how dark and depressing it is inside those boats because it seems to suck up all the light and you feel like you’re in a cave!
@77space-vt8wi
3 ай бұрын
6-23-24 They got what they had to keep the You Tube and other income flowing. . They will probable sell iit in the next 13 months.
@SailingTipsCa
3 ай бұрын
Quite possible! Took a bit longer than they expected due to reduced production capacity from the pandemic but I’m sure they’re thrilled to finally have it. They’ve also gone to longer form content which seems to be popular with their followers.
@IFSTherapyRealResults
9 ай бұрын
I agree. And agree with comments below where others have said they were concerned from the moment they announced it. I am looking at those side trampolines and how there's no bulwark, to place vertical netting to help kids not fall overboard. And agreed. Too much testosterone made this boat decision and not enough care for children.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I did see Riley tell one of the kids not to leave the cockpit so hopefully they listen!
@sailingsoutherneze8225
7 ай бұрын
Thought the same thing when i heard they were getting a new boat
@SailingTipsCa
7 ай бұрын
Hopefully they can somehow make it work!
@gavinparson
9 ай бұрын
I agree. When they showed the layout of the Rapidos, I thought “that doesn’t look like a safe and comfortable space to raise two small kids”. Now having seen the shakedown cruise, I think it’s absolutely dangerous and unsuitable for them. Surely they could have done a deal with Outremer to build a bigger and better cat for them, given all the publicity the channel has given them.
@Airriel333
9 ай бұрын
TOTALLY agree... and there is no room for Crew which this boat NEEDS to have not just ELAYNA and RILEY to sail this powerful boat. I FEEL SO strongly that this is NOT A FAMILY SAILING Vessel or for children and way undermanned ...
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
An Outremer 5X or 55 would have been a good performer AND had massive accommodation! I get the trimaran thing and prefer them from a sailing perspective but not as much space as a cat.
@tlevans62
9 ай бұрын
@@SailingTipsCatotally agree. A cat is far better laid out for a family, and there are some great fast cats around. I get that they want to go fast, but in heavy weather they'll be going slow anyway, and I worry about kids falling overboard and needing space to run around a bit. The cockpit area seems too small and being in one hull also seems cramped.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
@@tlevans62 Or maybe a fast foiling dinghy to carry aboard a more cruisy home? Might be the best of both worlds!
@catamaransOutremer
9 ай бұрын
@@SailingTipsCa 🖐
@BillJohnston-y7o
9 ай бұрын
Taking it out of the water in many places isn't happening, more trouble than it's worth.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Docking options are more limited too!
@pascalroyet3310
9 ай бұрын
Their reefing system is too much for them. I have sailed many boats with larger sails and standard reefing systems with no issues. Rapido is trying new things that have not been properly tested by them.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
The main sail on the Rapido 60 is 125m² (1,345 ft²) and Karver reef hooks are a pretty common and proven way to reef sails that size. I’m wondering if the cruising stack pack complicates the use of the reef hooks though…
@Putttn
5 ай бұрын
That boat purchase was strictly emotional. It is not suited for cruising especially with two small children. I can’t believe he made such a stupid decision.
@SailingTipsCa
5 ай бұрын
The next year or two of episodes will be interesting to watch!
@sundeeradventures
9 ай бұрын
Thank you for your bravery in calling it out for what it is... you are educating the sailing novices who think KZitem is all that is needed
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Thanks - most sailing channels are lifestyle VLOGs that don’t get into the technical details or really help people learn about sailing, which is what I’m trying to do!
@pamelaruben4644
8 ай бұрын
I wonder about the small fridge freezer if they are at sea for any length of time. No wind and a broken engine. There is very little food storage space despite it being called "huge". Maybe they will use the side floats for storage but the weight would have to be even. Putting crew in there was always a crazy idea. Also, how does one do laundry with no deck rails to dry anything on. Then there is the lack of space or facilities for the children. Are they going to share the Friends Cabin with Crew when they can no longer sleep on the kitchen table? I am surprised that Alena went along with this although she did say no to taking the children across the Southern Ocean! I am disappointd in the way this has gone. It is not a family home for young children and I'm sure they will need crew. That unprotected helm alone is odd let alone the enormous sails.
@SailingTipsCa
8 ай бұрын
I love what Rapido is trying to do by providing larger trimarans to the market but a larger catamaran like an Outremer 55 or 5x would have been so much more practical for their use case!!! If the kids were older and could help sail the boat without crew it might work a bit better but until then…
@withoutwroeirs
9 ай бұрын
Tend to agree, I'm an engineer at heart and a big fan of keep it simple keep it stupid. An OUTREMER 55 would have been my choice, for an upgrade you know how it all works, what the failure modes are, the hours of experience are of more value than you know.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
The Outremer 55 would have been a great boat for them! I’m also a huge proponent of keeping things as simple as possible for the reasons you mention!
@georgeburns7251
8 ай бұрын
I started watching Vagabond since day one, but stopped a couple of years ago as it was just too repetitive. Like reading the same book over and over.
@SailingTipsCa
8 ай бұрын
Maybe that’s why they thought they need this new boat?
@gradycooper475
9 ай бұрын
I too am concerned about the new boat. I was a marine mechanic, rigger, etc. for over thirty years. Beyond the good points made in this video I also hope that Rapido/Yanmar are going to replace that engine. It filled with seawater through the exhaust and stayed like that for more than a week. It should have had a riser tank and baffles. I would certainly would not want that to be my "new" engine. I also noticed that it seems very loud inside the boat while underway. (I may be wrong - it could just be the recording) It may not seem like much, but it gets tiring/tough to travel in a noisy atmosphere. The other boats that they have cruised in were thicker and heavier materials and therefore quiet compared to Carbon fiber. I really hope that they do well with the new boat and understand the benefits that Reilly is after as far as being fast enough to avoid heavy weather. I just hope it all works out for this young family.
@smulismuli7976
9 ай бұрын
That slamming sound is unbearable in the long run
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
Yes I hope Yanmar/Rapido gives them a new engine too. Carbon boats are incredibly noisy inside because carbon is a great transmitter of sound!!!
@midwestlakelife
9 ай бұрын
@@SailingTipsCa Did not know this. Thanks for the information.
@anajanaj5846
7 ай бұрын
I can’t believe they didn’t have a room for the boys, they usually have a nanny or other people staying . I can’t get over there’s not enough bedrooms .
@SailingTipsCa
6 ай бұрын
Yes I think sleeping in the galley will get old for the boys once they get a bit older...
@sail4life
9 ай бұрын
Same worries here... Heading out shorthanded on a boat with basic systems that are essentially inoperable or on the verge of it is extremely dangerous. I hope they find workable solutions quickly before something irreversible happens. However, just because systems don't exist now doesn't mean they can't be custom designed at short notice. There's still hope.
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I try to be a glass-is-half-full person and I hope they get things sorted soon. The next few episodes will be interesting!
@russmarkham2197
8 ай бұрын
They were not shorthanded on the shakeout sail.
@SailingTipsCa
8 ай бұрын
@@russmarkham2197 Riley did say in his comment above that they pushed the boat on the shakedown precisely because they had crew!
@Suecoloco1
9 ай бұрын
Totally agree. Also docking as in crappy situations on a 60 with just 2 people. And coming from twins screws. Our boat is a Sweden yachts 38. Just under 39 ft. We been sailing all our lives but getting overpowered overwhelmed or an simple injury or I want to go solo I wait be comfortable. D as o we stay under 40 ft. And the tri is in my opinion s mono hill from interior usable space as a live aboard the cat seems far more intelligent. My opinion. I am almost 60 they are young different thought process. Hope this boat doesn’t kill the desire to continue their adventure
@SailingTipsCa
9 ай бұрын
I agree with you on all points! I’ve also sailed a Sweden 38 and it was a great boat!
@toddpeters9007
6 ай бұрын
I think Thier last boat was perfect for them , sometimes young people just don't know when to be satisfied ...they will grow and learn...god bless them
@SailingTipsCa
6 ай бұрын
I agree it was a great boat for them!
@danpinsonsax
9 ай бұрын
Trimarans are great for racing but stupid for cruising - too big on the outside, too small on the inside.
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