Even if it’s borrowed, I think it’s changed enough to be it’s own thing
@laistab1916
Жыл бұрын
agreed
@user-lb8do4ew6k
Жыл бұрын
Agree as well & they did a fine job with it.
@pkepix5405
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's only stealing if EVERYTHING in the section is taken
@LEFT4BASS
Жыл бұрын
For real. When it comes down to it, pretty much all music is just a slightly tweaked cover of something that came before. Even if The Eagles flat out stole the chords right out of We Used to Know, it’s still a totally different song
@jonnybgood5764
Жыл бұрын
Agreed, unless you're green day ripping Oasis then denying it 🤣
@MrU4theChillWind
Жыл бұрын
Ian Anderson once said if it was an accidental copy, the Eagles made a much greater song out of it
@davidcantwell2489
Жыл бұрын
He also said "if they liked enough to nick it, they're welcome to it.
@robegatt
Жыл бұрын
Nope, we used to know is way better
@cheyennecazares3830
Жыл бұрын
Agreed, we used to know is a way better song than hotel California.
@kachoww5981
10 ай бұрын
@@robegattr u high🤣🤣
@flymdjets
9 ай бұрын
@@kachoww5981You might be, questioning his post
@MtnBadger
Жыл бұрын
If every musician whom was inspired by another group or song was sued for plagiarism, there'd be no music. There are definitely lines not to cross but, there'd only so many notes and chords to be played, somewhere along the line, they're going to cross paths.
@davehughesfarm7983
9 ай бұрын
cross then lines...its all been done
@marcilliofagner3335
8 ай бұрын
Fact
@michaelrawlings6533
Жыл бұрын
Ian Anderson said the Eagles and Tull were touring together at some stage so the Eagles must have picked up the progression then - he was not perturbed by that!
@scrotrot1595
Жыл бұрын
Felder wasn't in the band when they toured with Tull. But I'm also thinking that Felder would have heard the Tull song anyway. The chord progression is very similar, but I've never thought Felder stole it from the Tull boys.
@Bjowolf2
9 ай бұрын
The only problem with that explanation is that Don Felder ( who wrote the tune and intro to HC ) wasn't with the Eagles on that tour to England, since he hadn't joined the Eagles yet at that time 😉
@nolanfrank582
Жыл бұрын
Heard hotel California about a billion times and I still get pumped for the Walsh/Felder dual leads!
@johncbeer
Жыл бұрын
Same. I really love the bends they add in the duet for the live version.
@nealmac187
Жыл бұрын
Clapton released Layla AOALS album about 2 years beforehand with Let it Grow. Almost all the same chords in a very similar structure
@pauldillingham6316
Жыл бұрын
Sounds more like an influence than a steal.
@paulmarkwell4663
Жыл бұрын
Ozzy once said we are all thieves He had a point I call it inspiration
@hughmann1537
Жыл бұрын
ITS A BLOODY PULL OFF AND HAMMER ON!! The end of Hotel, C to a G. Been missing that note when I play and its been killing me. So simple😁 thank you!
@banks4realmusic413
Жыл бұрын
Yes ur basically right but the best way to think of it is to play the C major then think of it as a walk down. So u hit the open D string once, then hammer on the same D string beans hammering on the 2nd fret , followed by the open G string... so by hitting that last open G string it brings you right into the next chord which is indeed a G cowboy chord....
@jacobdaniel8239
Жыл бұрын
Sometimes you have to realize that, with so many musicians in the world, things are bound be accidentally repeated.
@anthonylucido2406
Жыл бұрын
Well said!
@stooert1595
Жыл бұрын
Anderson expressed the same sentiment when he was asked about this in an interview.
@knowhere60
Жыл бұрын
Though...The Eagles and Jethro Tull had toured together prior to the composition of Hotel California! 😊
@Bjowolf2
9 ай бұрын
@@knowhere60But not with Don Felder in the band though. 😉
@au77iemark
Жыл бұрын
Both songs just use the circle of 5ths as a chord progression
@rickowenkennedy
Жыл бұрын
Good Call.
@heiro9611
Жыл бұрын
I mean kinda. Their is some quintal movement but I wouldn’t say it’s completely the circle of 5ths
@markbarry9945
11 ай бұрын
not quite I-V-III-V-III-V...
@FC_Dobbs48
Жыл бұрын
What you imply is the intentional co-opting of the structure of Jethro Tull by the Eagles. Hotel California uses some elements(notes) of the same chord progression to create a completly original and very evocative melody. No stealing occured. Unfortunately if the roles were reversed, Henley would have sued (even though Felder wrote the music).
@laistab1916
Жыл бұрын
they may be the same chords but they are expressed in a completely different fashion fot 2 completely different songs
@jeffmiddleton4742
Жыл бұрын
It's beautiful and different and unique enough that they should not be accused of stealing it. Even if it was the inspiration they started with. In my opinion.
@AssertingSpoon713
Жыл бұрын
They’re completely different songs. Internet trolls just want to feel like they were the first to discover some kind of scandal.
@SaintKimbo
Жыл бұрын
The fact that the Eagles toured with Jethro Tull makes it more interesting.
@Bjowolf2
Жыл бұрын
Except that Don Felder hadn't joined the Eagles yet at that stage 😉
@SaintKimbo
Жыл бұрын
@@Bjowolf2 So, are you saying, he stole the chord progression from the record, wow.
@Bjowolf2
Жыл бұрын
@@SaintKimbo No, he hadn't even heard of this band - the Eagles' tour in England was a couple of years before he joined them. Anyway it's to a large extent just a fairly standard chord progression in JT's case, but given a much more interesting twist in the Eagles variation of it. I wouldn't be surprised, if other bands have used a similar chord structure before these bands - at least partially.
@nativeketchumhd
Жыл бұрын
@@Bjowolf2 Don Felder the Heavy Metal (Take a Ride) guy?
@ernestotostado7012
Жыл бұрын
Didn't know that. That is interesting
@Dr3amtime
Жыл бұрын
I'm calling coincidence. I made up pretty the same chord progression when I was first learning guitar. It's a pretty straightforward place to go -- especially when you start playing with the circle of fifths.
@John--
Жыл бұрын
I agree, if you play around with progressions enough you will come up with a lot of already established songs simply by accident.
@robegatt
Жыл бұрын
Eagles played before Jethro in concerts.
@freddykabulaschnitza2475
Жыл бұрын
The progression originated from Handel not Jethro, it's been used on many modern day classics, eg I will survive, autumn leaves, and several other that I can't think of at the moment. Good luck everyone.
@brianwood7480
Жыл бұрын
We owe an awful lot gratitude to our favourite & not so famous Classical composers. Engwie ? Malmsteen would be sued into oblivion and bankruptcy if every early European composer's descendant families decided to go after him. We can thank "Ms.Memphis Minnie" & "Mr. Kansas Badass" for giving Jimmy Page poetic license to artistically flood us with my favourite ZEPP song "When the Levee Breaks". All these conversations do is waste a lot of people's precious time; like mine. So bye for now, I've got a farm that won't take care of itself.
@freddykabulaschnitza2475
Жыл бұрын
@@brianwood7480 hey farmer, I believe that copyright on music has a time limit 25 years, then goes into the public domain, so I think Mr. Yngwie Malmsteen arse is saved in this instance from being sued.
@Bjowolf2
9 ай бұрын
@@brianwood7480Yes, precisely 😉 And it's "Yngvie" btw. 😎
@sjdanthem
Жыл бұрын
The Eagles toured with Tull in 1972 but Don Felder, who wrote the music to the song, didn't join the Eagles until 1974.
@jamesfitzgerald6636
9 ай бұрын
nicked it from Tull, solos were influenced by Tull ones
@davidrozo8094
Жыл бұрын
You could literally play this in front of a giant crowd and maybe a handful of people might know is the same chord progression. Still these are applied differently. It may have inspired the eagles to do it this way but is definitely not a copycat. Two different songs by really talented musicians. Thank you for this!
@Lisa-gq5br
Жыл бұрын
The Eagles were Jethro Tull’s opening act on one of their tours, and Tull would play that song “We used to know” in their set. Hmmmmmm? Ian Anderson from Tull has said that he hears the similarity but is OK with it and that imitation is a form of flattery. Great attitude Ian. Eagles are great. Tull is greatest.
@castleanthrax1833
Жыл бұрын
I don't like the flute stuff.
@Bjowolf2
9 ай бұрын
The only problem with that explanation, is that Don Felder who wrote the tune and the intro parts of HC, hadn't joined the Eagles yet, when they were on that tour in England with JT.
@warrenpierce5542
Жыл бұрын
I drove through a city park in the summer of 1977 and every car and boom box was playing songs from the album Hotel California.
@goner.9989
Жыл бұрын
Time signature is different between pieces, chord progressions in general can’t be necessarily “owned” because if we let that happen all hell will break loose, the first guys that used the axis progression can be proven owner of literally every other song in fucking existence. The riffs themselves are different. The jethro tull song was more chord focused and more upbeat, whereas Hotel California had more of a calmer feel with more melody based segments.
@banks4realmusic413
Жыл бұрын
Also hotel ends with a D chord then an Eminor. And that Em has that feel to get u pumped up for the verse and band to start in
@kazilziya830
Жыл бұрын
I think they did rip it off. However, I always liked We Used To Know better.
@GrilloTheFlightless
9 ай бұрын
More significantly, before the Eagles recorded Hotel California they were Jethro Tull’s tribute band, whilst We Used To Know was part of the set for the first time. Ian Anderson remembers them watching Tull from the wings and felt very flattered at the time. Anderson jokes that they were probably learning the chords. I’ve heard Ian say “where’s the royalties then?” Before performing it live, but it’s very tongue in cheek and realises it’s either a coincidence or a subliminal influence rather than a rip-off.
@neilkossler1476
Жыл бұрын
So Felder joins The Eagles in 1974. Eagles toured with Tull in 1971. Felder wrote the guitar part.
@stooert1595
Жыл бұрын
Ian Anderson actually commented on this specific topic. He, in no way, shape, or form, viewed it as any rendition of plagiarism. If he's cool with it, I'd say the rest of us should be, as well. :)
@808stevan
Ай бұрын
Ian Anderson recalls that the Eagles first ever tour was opening for Tull.. He was also elated that the Eagle's crafted such a wonderful song using those chords and wasn't aware of or even bothered by it, instead calling it beautiful art... wonderful artist himself
@BrrGrrDelux
9 ай бұрын
We had a support band who had been signed up for the tour...We didn’t interact with them very much...And I don’t think they liked us, and we didn’t much like them. But they probably heard us play the song because that would have featured in the sets back then, and maybe it was just something they kind of picked up on subconsciously - Ian Anderson
@gtrman12887
Жыл бұрын
Canon gets used a lot, c d g em gets used a lot, and many other orogressions...people need to get over it. Hotel California is as original as original gets...
@theedslanky1235
Жыл бұрын
exactly, western music is written so simply there's gonna inevitably be overlap and there was a time before copyright, people need to get over it
@NoahSpurrier
Жыл бұрын
If it weren’t for the lyrics I could listen to Hotel California.
@brianhale2977
Жыл бұрын
William Faulkner said, "Good writers borrow; great writers steal." The Eagles made the Jethro Tull so much better that it's theirs now. Sorry, Jethro!
@scottreeve5716
Жыл бұрын
The each stand on their own. But if you don't like Tull's version... wow, it's a masterpiece.
@Sygless
Жыл бұрын
Must say maybe inspired by. Although then again I accidentally rewrote dust in the wind not knowing that song at all. I realize that's a simpler chord progression but weird shit happens when you only have so many options.
@americanpancakelive
8 ай бұрын
The thing is, the vocal melodies are so close that a court would have probably called it plagiarism. But Ian Anderson is just a totally cool guy. "We Used to Know" written 7 years earlier is a totally kick ass song.
@robertoneill8022
Жыл бұрын
They defo copied Jethro Tull,the Eagles were recording in the same studios at the same time!the British guys were just too gentlmany take them to court,l think any court in the land these days would say this was obviously plagerized
@kazilziya830
Жыл бұрын
I totally agree.
@arhatyellow
Жыл бұрын
Not quite, skip.
@syndrome1965
Жыл бұрын
No way, copyright doesn't occur if every third note differs from the alleged original....
@AC-zx4hd
Жыл бұрын
It’s hard to tell by playing traditional cords, but if played with Barre chords alternately using the E and the A form, You do notice the consistent mathematical sequence. Start a 7th fret. Then, Up 2 frets, then down 4 and continue the “up 2 down 4” sequence all the way to the end. I could see how two composers could independently discover this.
@MaxPower-js1sk
Жыл бұрын
Ian Anderson from Tull said that he didn’t care if they were ripped off.
@jcripp7974
Жыл бұрын
Nobody would ever confuse those 2 songs. Ever. Both great
@VTKingdomsawing
Жыл бұрын
Nobody who's being reasonable would confuse those two works of art. There, fixed it for you.
@surfk9836
Жыл бұрын
Chords, just like notes, are relative to their "distance". So yea they both sound good.
@bryangorsira2223
7 ай бұрын
Eagles toured with Tull as Tull's back up band
@jackwezesa1081
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Anthony . I have dig out my “Stand Up “ Tull album and blast it this afternoon ! The whole album is amazing, better than Aqualung! I love the tone of that acoustic guitar you’re playing also.
@thomasbell7033
Жыл бұрын
I agree. I think Benefit is finer work than Aqualung.
@jackwezesa1081
Жыл бұрын
Benefit is great also . The only complaint I had was it seemed like Reprise shaved off the bottom some (IMO) ! I noticed this with a few Kinks lps on that orange/tan label.
@markusgarvey
Жыл бұрын
I've written lots of songs with ideas that I got from other songs just depends on my mood and what hits me at the time. I mean you only got so many notes. Whatever you've done it's been done before no matter how original you think it is at this point in humanity.
@jimmyb4728
Жыл бұрын
Everything has already been played in one way or another and everything things been borrowed in one way or another.
@guttormurthorfinnsson8758
Жыл бұрын
Tull is the band,
@kazilziya830
Жыл бұрын
any way you cut it it's a Tull rip-off.
@aaronhoffmeyer
Жыл бұрын
The Eagles toured with Jethro Tull who played We Used to Know almost every show in 1972. I am sure the Eagles members knew how to play We Used to Know and several years later created Hotel California with the almost exact same chord sequence at half time. Don Felder who was credited with the chord sequence didn't join the Eagles until 1974.
@MrXcrt
Жыл бұрын
Really digging the way you approach your short to the point vids w/ lots of insight n great presentation! I just subscribed ( waited to long) to your channel!
@PrivateEyeYiYi
Жыл бұрын
Both are great songs.
@artofplanets
Жыл бұрын
To a musician the chord sequence jumps out to you as a variation of a universal music theory model, the ‘Circle of Fifths’.
@danielginther4879
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't convict if I was on the jury
@brucecarland1096
Жыл бұрын
It's still awesome music they're both great
@knockywigglesworth1909
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that progression has been used, different keys & rhythms, about billion times since the 50's & surely even before...
@khdur
Жыл бұрын
J.T. was so chromatically sophisticated compared to most music of that period. There were plenty of other certainly and I can imagine a lot of composers who would take note but in the case of the Eagles, there are a good number of other tunes from their songbook during that era that use similar structures and resolutions. They definitely were a band with some chops AND they collaborated with a huge number of other musicians that had broad and deep acumen. If Ian didn't complain I'm convinced we shouldn't either.🤷🏼♂️
@georgeburns8447
7 ай бұрын
The Eagles toured with Jethro Tull. Of course they stole the chord progression.
@daveytiger
Жыл бұрын
Not enough for me, totally different
@javiermorales4228
Жыл бұрын
So can't play a few chords in same sequence as other bands? That would wipe out music as we know it dummy.🙄
@Spectre5390
Жыл бұрын
It's... The circle of fifths.
@gxulien
Жыл бұрын
I think it's a stretch to call it a copy. The rhythm is really different.
@johnrudy9404
10 ай бұрын
Reading the music would show more difference between the two. Yes chords, but different attack, cadence and timing. Thats music.
@Christopher_Bachm
Жыл бұрын
I remember thinking that it sounded familiar. Inspired by is fair. Melody and lyric!
@fshrmn74
Жыл бұрын
Not a guitar player, but even IF they copied it, they adapted it and made it into their own and one of the most iconic intros of all times. Interesting theory though.
@LowReedExpert1
Жыл бұрын
Planing a I/i IV progression isn't really unique enough in my opinion to call another usage theft
@michaelsena7445
10 ай бұрын
Man I'm so jealous of your playing ahhhh, glad I'm old n nothing works anymore
@peoriaos6627
8 ай бұрын
This is a standard circle of fifths progression. Used everywhere in jazz
@HomesteadViewin
Жыл бұрын
EVERY song has been written over the past 15000 years or so. Whether a beat herd over a fire 3500 yrs ago that shows up in a Phil Collins song is just because there are only so many notes and a finite way to arrange them. Tempo and culture will be the only difference.
@russm6372
Жыл бұрын
Dude I love your breakdown of guitar parts on songs I learn something every time?😁
@Audiorevue
Жыл бұрын
It's an interesting theory but what I find most upsetting about hotel California is whenever I've been there I've not seen any eagles.
@constipatedinsincity4424
Жыл бұрын
I have a a completely total theft of a whole song. How Guns and Roses Sweet Child of Mine was stolen like the Pink Panther and gems .💎 Australian Crawls Unpublished Critic which was released in 1981!, Talk about that please!
@marklarson8600
Күн бұрын
Felder has copped to this, inadvertant such as it was, he talked with Anderson years ago about and got "a pass" on it...unlike George H. who got pinged in a famous court case over My Sweet Lord/ He's So Fine.
@alward5678
Жыл бұрын
There are millions of songs with similar chord progressions.
@ska4dragons
10 ай бұрын
Even if they directly lifted the chord progression from that song they still didnt steal the song.
@guychilson8198
Жыл бұрын
I love your dissection
@moeb4348
Жыл бұрын
"Stold" is a pretty strong accusation. "Nicked" or "Pinched" is friendlier. Everyone nicks, or pinches a bit here and there. A song has to mimic something else to get attention. If you write a completely new progression, nobody will be interested. It's like when you are performing, never allow your ego to announce that you are going to do an original. Everyone will get up to use the bathroom! Just play your song and let them all think it's a rare Zepplin deep track.
@kimeliseglasgow6570
Жыл бұрын
Did you know there's no Jethro Tull in the Jethro Tull band? He was a 1400-1600's farmer who advanced the techniques of how to farm.
@brianmclaughlin4419
9 ай бұрын
I constantly use overlapped similar songs while practicing, and bounce between them. Many such "Pairs" in existence.😊 ReeeeLax.
@dprofessorco8487
Жыл бұрын
Jethro Tull didn't invent that chord progression. And even if they had you can't own a progression, people have been writing their own melodies and lyrics over reused chord progressions since harmonies and melodies have existed. In jazz when it's a complicated specific much longer form than this, where there's no hiding that it's intentional, its called a contrafact and is totally accepted and traditional.
@westvalleyjunction
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for shining a light on it. Yeah, the Eagles ripped it off.
@derekstocker6661
Жыл бұрын
I love both these bands but never noticed this, perhaps just a coincidence, there are only a limited number of notes and with all the music written this is surely bound to happen, sometimes. Well noticed though.
@robertfenti3996
Жыл бұрын
No way
@average-team-kid
Жыл бұрын
Holy crap I haven't heard of Jethro Tull in years
@davidtoney8399
Жыл бұрын
It's ok. Jethro Tull stole the first ever heavy metal Grammy in the 80's.
@elchantajista
Жыл бұрын
Dude it’s played in B minor, on a 12 string with a capo barred on the 7th fret , you hurt my ears with that version
@easpoorts
Жыл бұрын
The Eagles was Jethro Tull's warm-up band on a concert where they played We used to know, so it's pretty obvious that they heard it before writing Hotel California...
@retiredatforty
10 ай бұрын
The Beatles’ “You Never Give Me Your Money” has an identical chord structure to “Fly Me to the Moon” pretty far into it.
@markuhlman3767
Жыл бұрын
With difference being strumming and picking, I see no copying or stealing. Keys and chord progressions are universal.
@BrianNatonski-wt3mv
9 ай бұрын
When Randy California s estate tried to sue led zeppelin for copying "stairway to heaven" from and old Spirit song, zeppelin was able to show the same progression from an obscure 16th century church choir arrangement. You just can't copyright chords, someone already did them.
@johnroberts3723
Ай бұрын
Inspired rather than copied!.
@kittymedusa3618
Жыл бұрын
The truth is that there’s no such thing as stealing in music. Never heard of Tull’s song while I’ve heard Hotel California a billion times.
@augustinewong-pown5814
Жыл бұрын
I read somewhere that John Lennon once said that if you're going to steal a tune, then you steal from the best
@Naughtez
Жыл бұрын
There have been far more spurious copyright claims! Jethro Tull should demonetise the hell out of the eagles, just like they do to EVERYONE ELSE.
@jfredknobloch
Жыл бұрын
There’s no copyright infringement involved in this
@SameAsAnyOtherStranger
Жыл бұрын
Dude's proly been in his share of jam sessions that devolve into trying to play various Eagle's songs. Hotel California does sound like someone trying to noodle out The Way We Were in 4/4. TWWW is in 3/4. Yeah. I can stab it my weaselly words and I still can't kill the beast. But if you know, you know. Bill Graham knew.
@newfreenayshaun6651
Жыл бұрын
Ew. Barbaras' version is a slow painful death within the first 4 bars and im old...
@OnTourWithPattiSmith
Жыл бұрын
Imagine someone claiming you copied their famous dress ... .. because you used the same black silk fabric.
@arajoaina
Жыл бұрын
You can’t copy right a chord progressions. It has to be a total package
@rageprod
Жыл бұрын
Nah. People who call this "stolen" just don't understand inspiration. No art is original in all it's aspects, and even if it were exactly the same progression, jazz and blues artists have been playing songs by other people freely for over a century. That fixation over copyright and originality does a disfavor to music and art in general. Also, this progression is not that unique. It's just a descending chromatic line starting at the first note of the minor scale, using chords somewhat diatonic to keep the pattern going. It's awesome, but not really something out of this world.
@JohnLnyc
Жыл бұрын
Chord progressions (I disagree with terming it “very distinctive” it is how chords are played, tempo etc.
@shanestanton5481
Жыл бұрын
I watched an interview from Ian Anderson. He was happy about it.
@gregoryfortenberry741
Жыл бұрын
If it’s played right , chords are same, but feel is what your always missing, but shit I’m just a lowlife drummer 😢
@StairwayToEvan92
Жыл бұрын
That’s still my favorite Jethro Tull song though…
@douggauzy6258
Жыл бұрын
We have copied all 50 ‘s chord progression . 1- 6 - 4- 5. All songs from the 50’s . Still today !
@blakemorgan6520
10 ай бұрын
Learm music theory andbyoull realize eventually everyone will copy another progression just by the nature of how chords work together
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