So basically, Vitiate's propaganda campaign was so effective that it fooled people in real life.
@Underworlddream
2 жыл бұрын
I say more like people and lore channel who just read the same few page of the Star War Wiki, so it end up getting repeated alot. I seen this happen with lot of different lore channel, like they would say stuff that would had the person read the book or saw the primary source it would be different then what actually writen down, or it empathize less important thing and dempathize the more important things.
@loremasterxp3635
2 жыл бұрын
More then enough truth mixed in with the lies friend.
@geetslys
2 жыл бұрын
Basically lol
@revanruler6404
2 жыл бұрын
well master gnost dural recognised the sith genocide so i think geetsly is probably just jedi propaganda (again actual jedi with no ties to the sith empire recognised the atrocity so i think it's pretty safe to assume the jedi did it)
@Thoralmir
2 жыл бұрын
Actually, according to our own international laws, attempting to destroy the culture of a people _is_ considered a form of genocide.
@marcbrown9413
2 жыл бұрын
"...Naga Sadow 'bravely ran away.' " I see what you did there lol.
@geetslys
2 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha
@joedoe7041
2 жыл бұрын
I'll be behind you my minions....way behind you(runs away)
@biocaster777
2 жыл бұрын
"Stay here, I'll get help"
@JoschiChr
3 ай бұрын
When danger reared its ugly head he bravely turned away and fled
@OhOh996
2 жыл бұрын
Republic Senate: *Leads many different atrocities* The galaxy: “How could the Jedi do this?”
@michaelandreipalon359
2 жыл бұрын
The Greater Good and the ends justifying the means, you utterly naive galaxy.
@geetslys
2 жыл бұрын
Order 66 was payback to the “evil” Jedi
@thenewkalpa
2 жыл бұрын
But it seems the Jedi did commit genocide on behalf of the Republic, something that was their undoing in the era of the movies.
@papapalps2415
2 жыл бұрын
@@thenewkalpa No.
@samueldimmock694
Жыл бұрын
An astute description of how democracies work, or rather, how they fail to work. Not that other political systems have a better track record, of course.
@alwaysplotting2096
2 жыл бұрын
Vitiate was the real winner of the Great Hyperspace War.
@jacobogonzalez6383
2 жыл бұрын
He was the winner of almost all the wars for two millennia
@josevictorionunez9312
2 жыл бұрын
But in the end was ultimate loser after the Great Galactic War after everyone he tricked and manipulated united against him.
@geetslys
2 жыл бұрын
Yep lol.
@Dora_Dora667
9 ай бұрын
@@josevictorionunez9312He still returned and (briefly) ruled the galaxy as the Eternal Empire
@MatthewChenault
2 жыл бұрын
It’d be nice to go into detail about the different surviving cells of the sith empire.
@geetslys
2 жыл бұрын
That’s a good video idea
@thewittywhygaming6487
2 жыл бұрын
"If you're familiar with Star Wars Legends-" Excuse you? I think you meant to say "The Real Canon"
@geetslys
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry, typo in the script!
@z-man1237
2 жыл бұрын
Bro definitely!
@SchultzDorinda
2 жыл бұрын
But you see it's the same because The Real Canon is Legendary
@theonionmike4151
2 жыл бұрын
Lol Geets must've forgotten his audience for a moment! Of course we're familiar with Legends, we're followers of the "old ways," its why we keep watching this stuff!
@b.johnathanwarriorinagarde7980
2 жыл бұрын
The Empire's history is underrated they have a lineage of proud Sith, loyal Imperials, and a whole tract of civilians who believe in order.
@inquisitorgarza312
2 жыл бұрын
The Jedi Order probably would have never publicly announced that they wanted to commit genocide of the Sith Species, but one must remember that this was the first real encounter of an entire civilization that worship and uses the Dark Side of the Force to such a scale that it couldn’t be ignore. The Sith Empire posed a threat to the Republic and Jedi Order respectively, and the total destruction of the Sith Empire would secure both of their existence in the Galaxy.
@theoneguest1
2 жыл бұрын
Well put
@AaronGuest
2 жыл бұрын
But since they did it, they ensured that the Sith became their mortal enemies, and would fight them ruthlessly for thousands of years.
@lookinforgoodshowsz
2 жыл бұрын
@@AaronGuest would have happened regardless light and dark is not yin and yang there can't be any meaningful balance they would always HAVE to fight. It's in their nature like the tale of the scorpion and the frog.
@rs8290
2 жыл бұрын
Are you ignoring the whole Rakatan Empire? The sith were not the 1st race to use the dark side of the force. And what you just basically said, is that the Jedi built their legacy on top of a genocide. And let's not forget that at least 1 sith was part of the Jeed'ai, the order that existed before the Jedi. They have no excuse for the genocide. Unless you consider the looting of culture artifacts a good excuse.
@AaronGuest
2 жыл бұрын
@@lookinforgoodshowsz People can get over losing a war, but not attempted genocide man. The Jedi and Sith could've ended in a state of permanent cold war, instead of actual war, one of the reasons the Sith hated them so much was the genocide the Jedi did to them.
@levongevorgyan6789
2 жыл бұрын
Thing is, in the comics the Tales of the Jedi, Jedi Master Odan Urr explicitly mentioned the Jedi and the Republic driving the sith extinct. Seems to me that this old lore has been retconned somewhat. Not that I’m complaining. The Jedi committing Genocide against an enslaved race is kind of sort of completely messed up, and against the Light Side of the Force.
@goodmind4940
2 жыл бұрын
which issue?
@geetslys
2 жыл бұрын
Tales of the Jedi has been retconned a lot, for better or worse. A lot of later Old Republic material, tragically, has retconned a lot of ship/character designs to be a bit less extra, for example.
@levongevorgyan6789
2 жыл бұрын
@@goodmind4940 The Sith War, Issue 1
@dx3217
2 жыл бұрын
@@geetslys well... you can argue everything has been retconned after dysney so...
@DarthCuddlefluff
2 жыл бұрын
Where was it retconned? Where is this info come from? Oh if this came from SWTOR I'm going to be soooo pissed. . .
@lerneanlion
2 жыл бұрын
Oh, I would definitely love to hear about the Sorcerers of Tund! I wonder how they managed to survived and even thrived by the time of the Clones Wars and the Galactic Empire. Heck, did they even interact with the First Order and the Third Republic at all?
@alex52043
2 жыл бұрын
The sorcerers of Tund got wiped out by some jackass who wanted to be the only one with their secrets about 5 years into the reign of Sidious.
@lerneanlion
2 жыл бұрын
@@alex52043 Due to how things went in the Sequel trilogy, the Sith Empire originated from the Sorcerers of Tund can still be a possibility.
@aniketbiswas7660
10 ай бұрын
@@lerneanlion In cannon they seem have in the High republic era have meeting and a few celebartions with other force groups including jedi at Jeddah city
@theonionmike4151
2 жыл бұрын
No mention of the Keshiri sith. They became a major faction against Luke's Jedi order and the Galactic Alliance.
@spiritofarkham1235
Жыл бұрын
To be fair the Jedi may not have tried to exerminate the sith purebloods but is severing their connection to the force and bombarded their homes really okay?
@grimlord3181
Жыл бұрын
Compared to exterminating them? Yeah, I would say so.
@slitherthewizardofwither6959
Жыл бұрын
Yes
@ariancontreras4358
3 ай бұрын
It's like taking weapons away. It's not just a mere artifact so yes.
@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478
2 жыл бұрын
2:22 Naga Sadaou: I am far from doing something so cowardly. I prefer tactical retreat to preserve knowledge. Star Wars Fans: Sure buddy, whatever you say.
@starfreakist
2 жыл бұрын
The Jedi helped the Republic destroy an entire civilization...yep that is the textbook definition of genocide alright. What Darth Vitiate said was propaganda, but there was turth in what the Republic did to the Sith Empire. Then the Sith Empire returned with a vengeance 1,300 years later, nearly destroying the Republic and the Jedi Order. As of 138 ABY in the Expanded Universe, the Jedi and Sith are still fighting the Religious Crusade against each other.
@gandhiusz233
2 жыл бұрын
NOOOO NOT DA HECKIN' JEDAINOSS THEY DA GUD GAYS
@TheNotBlue
2 жыл бұрын
I have now learned that the galactic republic has their own British Museum.
@davidordaz5251
2 жыл бұрын
I’ve always loved Vitiate and think he is better than sidious since he was able to achieve what sidious couldn’t and achieved a empire for so long and he was so OP that he had to be overtaken by many Jedi and Sith to defeat him
@papapalps2415
2 жыл бұрын
It's an abjectly silly comparison to make. The contexts for both aren't even vaguely close to being similar. The circumstances are utterly different. Although I will note that, for the vast majority of Vitiate's Empires existence, it was isolated to a small portion of the galaxy and had zero real contact with the broader galactic civilization. The moment it came into conflict with the Republic it immediately started to crumble from the usual problems Sith Empires suffer.
@loremasterxp3635
2 жыл бұрын
@@papapalps2415 That's not true. If the Emperor had not taken Revan captive all those centuries before the empire's return to known space then the Republic would have ceased to exist.
@davidordaz5251
2 жыл бұрын
@@papapalps2415 yeah events would have happened way differently if that happened
@papapalps2415
2 жыл бұрын
@@loremasterxp3635 ....Because the Republic had just gone through not one (Great Sith War, not two (Mandalorian Wars), but THREE (Jedi Civil War) galaxy spanning conflicts in a row, within the span of a few decades. An invasion by Vitiate after KOTOR 2 would have been a literal walkover. It isn't a fair fight.
@loremasterxp3635
2 жыл бұрын
@@papapalps2415 They had several centuries to recover.
@loremasterxp3635
2 жыл бұрын
Freedom Nadd a fallen Jedi was the one to slay Naga Sadow who was in turn slain by another fallen jedi Exur Kun who then used the empire that had been slowly built up to wage a war on the Galactic Republic. He lost. This happened about forty odd years or so before Revan & Malak. Edit: Oh & Nathema used to be called Medriaas before it was destroyed by Tenebrae (Vitiate) & was ruled by his father before Tenebrae killed him.
@geetslys
2 жыл бұрын
Exar Kun killed Freedon Nadd, who killed Naga Sadow. Otherwise correct, tho.
@loremasterxp3635
2 жыл бұрын
@@geetslys Oh shit yeah good point. Thanks for the correct. 👍
@Hinokassaudifan1
2 жыл бұрын
And then an old man came. And made a fool out of all of them.
@samueldimmock694
2 жыл бұрын
Which old man?
@pIayingwithmahwii
2 жыл бұрын
How is naga sadow’s group more important than vitiate’s group? Yeah he contributed to exar Kun, but even if you give sadow FULL credit for exar kun (which you shouldn’t), I still think vitiate’s sith empire had more of an impact. They literally sacked coruscant. The republic would have fallen to the sith empire had vitiate not been SO power hungry. Vitiate’s group was the closest besides sidious to conquering the galaxy.
@eds1942
2 жыл бұрын
Because until Sadow, the Jedi, the Republic and few outside of Sith controlled space even knew of the Sith, let alone how much of a threat they posed. It’s Sadow’s actions which had the biggest overall impact on the history of the Sith. Vs Jedi / Republic dynamic which shaped the galaxy. It is key to understanding the 2nd Schism and the origins of the Sith’s rivalry and their desire for revenge. And it is this story that made it over into canon because if that. Where as, you could almost toss SWTOR and not miss anything. Except for question of who were the “True Sith” that provoked the Neo-Mandalorians to invade the Republic and the secret Sith Emperor that converted Revan and Malek. (You know, KotOR and SWTOR stuff). Vitiate was just another Sith warlord leading a Sith invasion force comprising of a Sith faction as a result of that Schism. And it would need to be resolved in similar fashion as every other Sith v Jedi/Republic conflict of the Old Republic era. Which is with the near eradication of the Sith. Perhaps if it wasn’t for the Disney sell a year after its release, that might have been a bit different.
@samueldimmock694
2 жыл бұрын
Exar Kun walked into Coruscant, mind-controlled the entire Senate, said that the Republic was irrelevant, and walked out. He also forced the Jedi Order to reform itself for the first time since their foundation, and was the main driver behind the transition of the Sith from a species to an ideology, meaning he's basically responsible for the New Sith Wars.
@eds1942
2 жыл бұрын
@@samueldimmock694 It was already an ideology. And the only living Sith that Kun encountered were the Massassi sub species. Revan and Malik were practically Exar and Ulik Qel-Droma come again as opposed the ‘True’ Sith (as Kreia call them), which at this point, the Republic believes to be extinct. But the ideological changes that the Jedi Order went through during this greater 2nd Schism era is notable. They were becoming warrior monks. 15 to 20 thousand years of balance, up turned by the Jen’jidai who became Sith Lords. Then for the next 7,000 years the Jedi could hardly get through a millennia without some major conflict between the Lightside and the Darkside leading to a galaxy wide war.
@samueldimmock694
2 жыл бұрын
@@eds1942 The Sith were a species and a culture, not an ideology, unless you're going to argue that it was actually Freedon Nadd who made that transition and Exar Kun just spread it. What I'm talking about is the fact that most of Exar Kun's Force-sensitive followers were recruited directly from the Jedi Order, something none of the previous Sith factions had done. I also don't think that he called his non-Force-sensitive followers (or the Krath) Sith, reserving that title for the trained Force-users and them alone. In short, he turned the Sith from a species and culture that used and worshipped the Dark Side of the Force to the Dark Side equivalent of the Jedi, complete with their remarkable ability to recover from near-total extinction because some guy taught another guy, or in the case of Darth Ruin, some Jedi found a few holocrons and became obsessed.
@eds1942
2 жыл бұрын
@@samueldimmock694 Yeah. You have to look back to the origin of the 2nd schism. And the fact that Kun’s Sith had no direct connection with the Sith species and died without much of an impact on Sith society or the true Sith Empire. Rather he had great impact on the Jedi Order and the Republic. 7,000bby, A group of Jedi, calling themselves the Jen’jidai, fell to the Darkside, split with the Order and started the Hundred Year Darkness. When they were defeated, they were demilitarized and exiled into the Unknown Regions and eventually landed on Korriban where they encountered the Sith species. The Jen’jidai adapted the Sith peoples philosophy into their own and became the Dark Lords of the Sith, the counter Force philosophical order to the Jedi. After the Sith Empire were defeated at the end of the Great Hyperspace War around 5,000bby, the survivors (mixed races) stayed hidden for most of the next two millennia. Exar Kun and Ulik Qel Droma just followed in the footsteps of Freedon Nadd and the Krath. Beyond the Massassi, they had no connection with the real Sith Empire or Sith peoples or their race. Which is a point of difference between them and Revan and Malek. When both duos had their day around 4,000bby. And the SWTOR happened and the true Sith Empire revealed itself and attacked the Republic and the Jedi Order. At some point the Sith race went extinct. But, the Sith darksider philosophy survived in various forms, most notably, tombs, relics, manuscripts and holocrons. And then at the end of the 4th Schism, after the Battle of Ruusan at around 1,000bby, Bane came up with his Rule of Two which was of a hodgepodge of the above, with Revan’s holocron providing a key source of inspiration. ‘Book of Sith’ covers a lot of this. And since it’s one of the few Legends books in reprint and to hold the Disney logo, I still hold it up as at least semi-canon or in-canon lore. Anyway. It was a more complicated transition than what you are saying. Kun was just another point of reference and the Sith race just died out.
@insaneredneck3917
2 жыл бұрын
Technically genocide also includes destroying culture, so in trying to steal and annihilate Sith culture and religion, it still does still somewhat fit the definition
@dhaburuk6494
2 жыл бұрын
So... while in fact the Sith species were never wiped out in a single conflict, the Jedi believed they were (Great Hyper-space War & Seventh Battle of Ruusan) and the surviving Sith groups each believed they were the last... eh, close enough to call it genocide, by order of the Republic aided by Jedi combatants. Thank you for your work, Geetsly's - its good to clean up our knowledge and understanding.
@Orto-jj2di
2 жыл бұрын
Heh I you look at it like that, then the truth and propaganda aren't so far from each other....a least fully
@Charolette21
2 жыл бұрын
Ok, we'll add an extra detail, The Republic and The jedi commited CULTURAL genocide along with stealing their artifacts and putting them in museums or behind closed doors. Still genocide, still not good.
@dar-nakkallig
2 жыл бұрын
Indeed, it is still Genocide... Just of a different kind...
@Orto-jj2di
2 жыл бұрын
Well let's look at it like this. Sith aren't exactly a species, neither are jedi or us humans. This is all a state of mind. So yeah cultural genocide still works
@starpaladingoldbug2282
2 жыл бұрын
@@Orto-jj2di They were, do you not know the lore of the Sith Pure bloods?
@Orto-jj2di
2 жыл бұрын
@@starpaladingoldbug2282 ouuuuh right
@starpaladingoldbug2282
2 жыл бұрын
@@Orto-jj2di Also wtf do you mean by we arnt a species?
@ryancarter1080
2 жыл бұрын
So the sith mostly genocided themselves in suicides, infighting and mass sacrificial rituals
@reallybigmistake
10 ай бұрын
the funniest thing is that I checked the Star Wars galaxy map and Dromund Kaas is closer to Korriban than Ziost. You are telling me the Sith went and hid there and got away with it for such a long time until the events of TOR(mmo) after Kotor 1 and 2.
@dwsvlogs97
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if Darth Sidious and Darth Vader existed in those times how powerful would they be. The old Sith seemed far more powerful than the new sith.
@julsthejedi2646
2 жыл бұрын
Well, an important distinction here is that a lot of the old Siths power came from talismans imbued with the force. Baneite Sith arguably have more raw power.
@feliciastaldotter5168
2 жыл бұрын
dont imagine theyd the that much different from the average dark council member or high ranking darth.
@dwsvlogs97
2 жыл бұрын
@@feliciastaldotter5168 idk... sidious was able to use force storm a power I've never seen older Sith use. I've also never seen older Sith create lightning force fields either.
@allsuper9268
2 жыл бұрын
So it wasn’t so much an ethnic genocide as it was a cultural genocide. Still not a great look for the Jedi.
@samueldimmock694
2 жыл бұрын
To be fair, the Dark Side is evil, and Sith culture was full of the Dark Side. It's still not good, though.
@ghostface4404
Жыл бұрын
@@samueldimmock694 the Dark Side isn't evil. the Dark Side is the very core of all living things.
@samueldimmock694
Жыл бұрын
@@ghostface4404 What do you mean by "the Dark Side?"
@ghostface4404
Жыл бұрын
@@samueldimmock694 the emotional side of a person.
@samueldimmock694
Жыл бұрын
@@ghostface4404 Well, that's not how the word is used in a lot of Star Wars media, including this one. Which is good, because by that definition, the Dark Side is not inherently evil (though it is not inherently good, either), and a lot of Star Wars media treats the Dark Side as if it were evil. Oftentimes, the Dark Side is defined by it being evil: murdering people is a Dark Side act because it's evil; Dark Side organizations are fond of slavery because slavery is evil; Dark Side magic involves causing great suffering and/or death, either as the intended effect or as a necessary component of some powerful ritual, because that's what evil magic looks like.... So when I said that Sith culture was "full of the Dark Side," I meant that selfishness and treachery were seen as virtues and compassion and self-restraint as vices, their religion involved large amounts of "human" sacrifice (though other sentient species were often used), slavery and oppression were their default approach to encountering new civilizations, and things like that. They were not characterized by a wholesale embrace of emotions, as any selfless emotions were seen as weakness and thus unforgivable.
@IAmEvilTree
2 жыл бұрын
I really like the idea of Sith survivors forming remote, isolated communities. What kind of Sith created them? How would their societies and attitudes change over time? Given the length of time and the kinds of Sith that would survive post-Hyperspace war, you could have very different societies evolving.
@dx3217
2 жыл бұрын
Realistically speaking it depends base on Atlas who washes the whole genocide part who inspired the video which is still is bad because if you read in between lines it seems more like the army melted and the roles of who made the incident got split the republic killed the sith while the jedi... destroyed their culture so cultural genocide WHICH IS WORSE... so... we have two cannons who are pretty much the same with another just saying who did what so in my opinion there is 2 ways it ended first the sith are in isolated societies at the edges of the galaxy or in the unknown regions probably after they realised (probably after the whole cold war period of the old republic and the constant back forward of the sith empires) someone or a group having brains probably realised it was hide or die so now sith in the modern times aka luke skywalker times probably live in isolated pockets in fear of the outside world and dreading if any exploratory ships appear others probably went stone age and live in primitive terms probably their dark side connection evaporating and then there is the BOLD planners someone realised that shit was going down and instead of hiding in a galaxy they couldn't rule decided to say fuck it and crewded ships with sith purebloods and left the galaxy trying the best Yunzan vong style.
@sammyvillano9502
2 жыл бұрын
Sorcerers of Tund! Like seriously, people don’t believe me when I say there are purebloods in the clone war era!
@turdferguson9356
2 жыл бұрын
the Dark Jedi forcibly integrated into and ruled over the Sith Purebloods, if anything this seems like a greater crime than the mutual combat engaged in between the proper Jedi Order and the Sith Lords....
@feliciastaldotter5168
2 жыл бұрын
i mean in the process they became sith they didnt purge pureblooded sith from the galaxy or do a systemic destruction of hteir culture
@BRDoriginal
2 жыл бұрын
If the Jedi killed all the Sith... wouldnt that make them Sith Lords?
@cathrsys9584
2 жыл бұрын
No. That would just make them assholes. And hypocrites.
@mobgabriel1767
2 жыл бұрын
Ironic
@davidordaz5251
2 жыл бұрын
Depends if the Sith didn’t focus on infighting and backstabbing each other always they could have triumphed over the Jedi order but their hubris and arrogance was their downfall
@zkapsh
2 жыл бұрын
The sith were going to fall at least In the sense of the empire after their failure just like any power vacuum and probably even worse with how power hungry sith are. The republic pushed the genocide aspect more the jedi, seeing as how the jedi didn't kill. But the stripping connection to the force and stripping of sith artifacts especially if they aren't connected to the force.
@loremasterxp3635
2 жыл бұрын
Well actually the Sith Empire would have destroyed the Republic upon their return to known space but unbeknownst to them (& the empire) Revan influenced the Emperor to seek peace.
@davidordaz5251
2 жыл бұрын
@@zkapsh yeah true
@davidordaz5251
2 жыл бұрын
@@loremasterxp3635 if Revan was better maybe he would have succeeded but who knows
@zkapsh
2 жыл бұрын
@@davidordaz5251 how did he influence the sith emperor to not attack, it seems to me that, not always but majority of the time the sith seem the be the aggressor and make the first move, so it's really a suprise to hear they were peaceful.
@maxxor-overworldhero6730
2 жыл бұрын
Is it just me, or does anyone else remember a story with Luke's Praxium that included a Massassi?
@Meravokas
2 жыл бұрын
Ultimately, sith purebloods 'died out' due to interbreeding with humans. The compatibility was as such that births tended to favor human over sith traits over time. Leaving sith bloodlines but no true sith.
@schmoozemoose26
2 жыл бұрын
Nah, my dude. Just because some factions of true blood sith survived doesn't mean that the Jedi didn't condone and then actively participate in what is literally called the Sith Holocaust. And you might come back at me by citing some propaganda such as "...the Sith no longer posed a threat to the Republic, but the Supreme Chancellor was unsatisfied. Jedi and Republic forces were sent to Korriban and other Sith planets to ensure no remnants of the Sith Empire remained", as definitive proof of Vitiate's propaganda, but that was actually said by Jedi Historian Gnost-Dural in his commentary of the holocaust. I'm interested to know how you square that as in-universe sith propaganda. I think your habit of whitewashing the jedi isn't just the more simplistic view of in-universe history, but that it actively reduces the nuance of the expanded universe and forces what should be an artistic medium of exploring real world issues in depth into a story frame consisting of a false dichotomy between good and evil.
@schmoozemoose26
2 жыл бұрын
...to continue, a good way of exploring how events unfold in-universe is to superimpose them on real world events. Imagine, that if after the allies defeated the axis powers in WW2, that instead of offering terms of surrender the allies imposed a counter-invasion that targeted axis power populations and carried out the suppression of these defeated peoples to such an extent that only pockets of these civilizations managed to escape and survive in exile leaving absolutely no surviving members of those civilizations in the conquered territories. I'm just saying it's difficult to idolize that sort of behavior and that maybe a more gritty examination of the philosophies of war, power, and religions, shows the SW medium more respect than the typical 'jedi good, sith bad' paradigm.
@pirobot668beta
2 жыл бұрын
The lies told concerning the Sith were many! The biggest lie of all was that the Sith had been 'wiped out'. They went to ground so well, the Jedi declared them extinct. The second biggest lie was that the Sith needed to be wiped out in the first place. Where is the Balance if only Light-side are allowed to live? Third thru fifth biggest lies are mostly administrative. Sixth biggest lie is purely ornamental, serving no known purpose, and you wouldn't get it anyway...
@Underworlddream
2 жыл бұрын
This better research then most video on this subject.
@deltaturnip9247
Жыл бұрын
So what is your source for this because when I looked up sith holocoaust the wiki didnt say anything about Jedi not executing captured prisoners or takeing the force away from a prisoners. And isnt calling it the sith holocost kind of imply it was a genocide.
@MakeshiftMartyr
Жыл бұрын
“What happened to the Sith Purebloods?” Duh, they’re 500 cartel coins in swtor.
@annawhite1591
Жыл бұрын
if not mistaken didn't the white armour sith emperor end up with a frozen raven??
@felonyx5123
2 жыл бұрын
Have you covered the B'omarr Order in any videos before? One of my favorite just plain weird Star Wars things.
@greatazuredragon
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Thanks for the update.
@MultiDryder
2 жыл бұрын
One thing of jedi I been realizing from videos saying the jedi were wrong I realize the jedi are not keepers of the peace but rather a paramilitary organization of the republic Also I been playing fallout games more particularly new vegas and not only am I realizing what Ron Perlman means with saying war...war never changes and how it applies in star wars but a quote by mr house on his view of the brotherhood of steel kinda makes me think of the jedi by changing it slightly on jedi I have to say they are ridiculous because they galavant the galaxy pretending to be the knight of yore atleast they did until order 66 game out realizing ideological purity and the force are no match when outnumbered 15:1 Basically what I'm really saying is fallout and reality seems to make more sense of sith and jedi as in they are really just factions vying for power and in the end war...war never changes
@thatperson8473
2 жыл бұрын
the jedi still committed cultural genocide.
@ramonvillafane9442
2 жыл бұрын
I still think that a handle full escaped beyond the reach of the republic and the Jedi into the unknown region and never returned
@Chaotic_Jackal
2 жыл бұрын
Yep as mentioned in the video the Sorcerers of Tund are one such group of Sith Purebloods that survived and even thrived well into the reign of the Galactic Empire.
@spencersholden
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for bringing the truth out. I had just accepted the Sith Genocide as fact for so long. Vitiate’s lies still effect us to this day.
@demi-femme4821
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, on closer inspection, genocide is literally the least Jedi thing to do.
@gavinsmith9871
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. I don't understand why so many people were hoodwinked by this.
@lotrofan5
2 жыл бұрын
@@gavinsmith9871 Because some people take villain stanning to absurd degrees (or seem to genuinely believe Dooku and Palpatine's statements, even though both are sociopathic liars)
@revanruler6404
2 жыл бұрын
@@lotrofan5 or maybe because the jedi have always been hypocrites, yes the sith order is worse obviously but you'd be surprised by how many atrocities the jedi committed (killing the true mandalorians, supporting the glassing of mandalore, killing a bunch of kaleesh slaves, attacking the legions of lettow, not to mention all the child abductions and brainwashing). Basically kreia was right the force is evil and jedi and sith are just pawns for htis malevolent force
@lotrofan5
2 жыл бұрын
@@revanruler6404 First of all, Kreia is a lying, nihilistic sociopath who deliberately strings you along in her quest for revenge against her two students/former allies. Second, the Jedi were not the aggressors at Galidraan. The Death Watch aligned governor framed Jango and his men for the wholesale slaughter of civilians, and when the Jedi came to investigate and bade Jango lay down his weapons and explain what was going on, Jango instead opened fire, forcing Dooku and the rest of the response team to defend themselves. Third, it was the Mandalorian Civil Wars that ravaged Mandalore, not the Order. The Jedi were the ones who helped the Mandalorians rebuild. Fourth: THEY DO NOT TAKE IN YOUNGSTERS WITHOUT PARENTAL PERMISSION. That is well established in both continuities, in addition to the fact they defer to the judgement of local Force traditions (if one exists). Fifth, the Legions of Lettow were a conquering army that were poised to spread their teachings to the Jedi and the galaxy at large by force. The Republic and the Order acted in self-defense.
@ultrashadow9551
2 жыл бұрын
Listen dude, I mean no offense and I absolutely love your vedios, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this, it's similar to your Grey Jedi vedio, while yes the Sith did strike first they were manipulated into doing so believing that they would've been invaded otherwise, it was kill or be killed from their perspective, and the Sith Holocaust only further instilled this deep rooted fear. And as for the Grey Jedi vedio, in the Revan novel Revan was described as using the Force in its purest form when he used both sides in tandem, its like yang and tang, one cannot exist without the other, its like a quote I once read "Without the light your just staring into an endless abyss, and without the dark you'll just get blinded by the light, you need to find a balance." The Force existed long before the Jedi and Sith decided it into light and dark and I think that quote represents it perfectly.
@slicerneons3300
2 жыл бұрын
If vengeance is to be effecrive, it must not be proportionate. It must be Final.
@dhaburuk6494
2 жыл бұрын
Hey now, don't give the bad-guys any more advice. They get enough of it from works of fiction.
@barnabassebesteny1490
2 жыл бұрын
Vitiate=Darth Bane before Darth bane. (Which means that funnily enough, the events if the movies were revan's fault when you think about it)
@feliciastaldotter5168
2 жыл бұрын
I mean Bane credits a lot of his philosophy to Revan so you could say its his "fault" without that
@joashex69
2 жыл бұрын
This sounds like republic/ Jedi propaganda. Next you’re gonna tell me there’s war in ba sing se
@grey5744
2 жыл бұрын
Evil in the name of good, huh?
@princexizor5151
2 жыл бұрын
Reads title “…fuck yeah based”
@Dragonblade722
2 жыл бұрын
I don't know. Sound like pro Jedi propaganda to me. So the Sith who were captured were stripped of the force in order to "make them harmless". Ignoring the ethical implications of doing such a thing, how is it that they naturally died off. They lost their connection to the force, but they were still alive. Ether the place the survivors where being kept lacked the means to keep them alive (starvation etc) or stripping them of the force did something to their health. And unless the procedure made them infertile, their children should have been force sensitive. Unless the Jedi also stripped the force from the children and routinely did the same to any newly born children which is it's own form of f'ed up. Regardless of whether the Jedi actively committed genocide, their action still caused it ether through apathy or malicious oppression.
@MotleyNerd
2 жыл бұрын
There was also the Lost Tribe of the Sith, which survived until after the Vong Invasion and fought Luke Skywalker and Aboleth
@tenebrae5307
2 жыл бұрын
This is why vitiate/Tenebrae/valkorian is my favorite character in sw
@naturalistmind
Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear the story of swtor explained properly instead of guessing at what the truth was ( though I did aquire the lore master title in swtor for all of my efforts, which is nice)
@Jimholy
2 жыл бұрын
the answer is yes, they committed an actual genocide if not cultural genocide.
@annawhite1591
Жыл бұрын
always found it crazy not that the republic didn't want a navy or armed force, but they could go without havin one, just do not believe they could go without one, one thing that i found stupid about the pt and seems new republic is worse or just as bad
@kirtmanwaring3629
2 жыл бұрын
Love how Fate of the Jedi just doesn’t exist in your legends world. :) Actually not as salty as I sound, well done video although I did kind of enjoy the Lost Tribe on Kesh or whatever the hell.
@matthewanderson9754
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for giving me star wars content!!!😁
@thraxmd9804
2 жыл бұрын
I mean it might have happened, but six million? that number seems a bit far-fetched
@galaxius179
Жыл бұрын
"Hey Skyguy, why did they build hospitals in the camps if they were just gonna kill em?"
@kojeb
2 жыл бұрын
Nathema at the time of the GHW was named Madriaas
@Awoll101
2 жыл бұрын
Sorcerers of Tund sounds fun
@bryancruikshank4013
2 жыл бұрын
What about Kesh? Vestara?
@sciencesociety2919
Жыл бұрын
So the Great Hyperspace War was the galactic version of the Pacific front in WWII
@Bwillis2099
Жыл бұрын
I think that the Jedi were only partially responsible for the extinction of the original Sith…after the Sith’s very way of viewing the Dark side of the Force is literally self destructive by nature. I say the Sith’s way and not the Dark side in general is because Star Wars has shown groups of Force users like the Night sisters of Dathomir that can use the Dark Side’s powers and not give to the corrupting nature of the Dark Side (not fully anyway) 11:17
@scarease1
Жыл бұрын
Sith extinction like both hand of jedi extremists and the Republic Senate .
@makisonoda7925
2 жыл бұрын
Genocide is genocide, doesn’t matter if the Jedi or Republic participate in that act. They still committed genocide on another species. The Jedi are not saviors of the galaxy or of the Light, the Sith are not monsters and champions of the Dark. Both are flawed organizational entities. Personally I believe the Sith philosophy is the correct one, “the strong rule because they are the most dominant and powerful, the weak serve the will of the strong until they themselves can usurp those in positions of power.” Its no different than the philosophy of survival in my opinion.
@annawhite1591
Жыл бұрын
also, is the secrete sith world from rise of skywalker a new planet is it rooted in legends somewhere or from old republic or something (exogol)
@darkpit37
2 жыл бұрын
It feels weird watching this having chosen the jedi shadow as the first character I'm playing in swtor.
@erikm8372
4 ай бұрын
I’m just realizing that "Clifford", the reggae musician from the Muppets, is basically a Muppet version of the Sith race. Albeit more cartoony and potentially racist…but that’s something else…
@AhsokaFanboy1138
2 ай бұрын
Personally, I thought it was a bit of the Jedi's fault. They had replaced the Pius Dea regime with themselves and held power until they were sure the cult's ideas were gone from the populace at large. I would expect them to have done the same with the Sith Empire.
@darthgamer2014
2 жыл бұрын
True or not it wouldn't be to far fetched to say that the Jedi committed genocide against considering their opinion on the Darkside and how the Jedi often dragged the Republic into wars with the Sith and their Empires or anything that resembled one.
@TheWarmachine375
2 жыл бұрын
History is written by the victors
@zachmegna7003
2 жыл бұрын
Please do more about the sith
@tylermitch7297
2 жыл бұрын
Disagree. Jedi were morally corrupt. The purebloods just interbred with the human/sith hybrids. But that doesn't negate the fact the Jedi committed suicide
@riesenbonobo7846
2 жыл бұрын
you mean the jedi commited genocide?
@topdog5252
2 жыл бұрын
What a crazy story! Wicked
@federicomoraholguin5878
8 ай бұрын
conclussion: the jedi didn't do anything, the sith were beginning their extinction long ago
@shanenolan8252
2 жыл бұрын
Well who hasn't committed a genocide at some point in history. ( kidding) technically i believe the chancellor of the republic ordered it . Ultimate responsibility lies there .
@Hinokassaudifan1
2 жыл бұрын
And the jedi, like dogs, follow their masters. The moment the jedi stopped serving the force, they sealed their fate.
@AaronGuest
2 жыл бұрын
And the Jedi, he ordered it but they did it.
@MultiDryder
2 жыл бұрын
Very true because the jedi are rely nothing more than a paramilitary organization of the republic
@jamesofallthings3684
2 жыл бұрын
Anyone can say something stupid. It's the people that listen that are responsible. If someone told you to shoot someone it wouldn't be their fault if you actually did it.
@revanruler6404
2 жыл бұрын
@@Hinokassaudifan1 meh the force is too manipulative, constantly causing wars to achieve balance, they should cut htemselves off from the force or even better try to kill it and save the galaxy from it's corrupting influence (the gormak understood it why can't the jedi)
@shingen012
2 жыл бұрын
*Pulls pin on hand grenade* Tell me the history of Exegol and its relationship to the ancient sith. *Rolls grenade under table before walking out and locking the door*
@Bakadono7525
Жыл бұрын
So stories of Tatoine and Korriban only being Deserts because they were glasses are untrue?
@JettQuasar
2 жыл бұрын
War is a messy business.
@eacalvert
2 жыл бұрын
Sorcerer's would be cool
@TheTimeshadows
2 жыл бұрын
All of the SW franchise is nothing but Jedi propaganda.
@cathrsys9584
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@jackieanderson9408
2 жыл бұрын
Sweet 👍
@thomaswest2583
2 жыл бұрын
I understand the Original Sith getting defeated but I wish they were just endangered would love to see them in current Star Wars series
@feliciastaldotter5168
2 жыл бұрын
well this is not canon they could do whatever they want with the history of the sith
@harry-duongchivy7172
2 жыл бұрын
So the Sith Purebloods still survive right?
@DarthCuddlefluff
2 жыл бұрын
Okay wait. Where are you getting this info? The mass-suicides, and Jedi only leading the ground forces and only really stripping people of the force in particular? I don't take the Sith as the type to do suicide at all, preferring rather to fight to their last breath even when commanded to do otherwise. I was also under the impression that the Jedi volunteered to do as much killing as is possible. Why this seems in line with the Jedi character is they suppress emotions leading to explosive outbursts of uncontrollable anger and the Great Hyperspace War certainly stirred a lot of emotions.
@goodmind4940
2 жыл бұрын
essential atlas
@DarthCuddlefluff
2 жыл бұрын
@@goodmind4940 Which one?
@goodmind4940
2 жыл бұрын
@@DarthCuddlefluff from 2009
@DarthCuddlefluff
2 жыл бұрын
@@goodmind4940 Reading that last paragraph on the great hyperspace war it does say that a lot of them did commit suicide. Very odd. Still I want to know where the rest came from. The entry in the essential atlas it doesn't mention that they did or did not do a genocide. It also doesn't mention the Jedi just stripping the Sith of the force. Honestly the idea that the Jedi didn't genocide just leaves an odd taste in the mouth. It makes them more morally grey characters with a darker and more complex history and makes the setting as a whole a lot more interesting as a consequence. I don't want a Star Wars where there are the Jedi who have never done wrong and are pure good versus the Sith who are evil at every turn and always do wrong. The genocide really adds to the universe.
@Chaotic_Jackal
2 жыл бұрын
As others have pointed out the Star Wars Essential Atlas pretty much retconned the Sith Holocaust as presented in the Old Republic lore to make the Jedi and Republic less guilty of genocide.
@Thoralmir
2 жыл бұрын
Actually, attempting to destroy a people's cultural heritage _does_ count as genocide.
@eacalvert
2 жыл бұрын
He bravely ran away. He danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled
@jessicajujubean5004
2 жыл бұрын
They should write a story about a sith who became a jedi.
@trekker105
2 жыл бұрын
Please do make a Sorcerers of Tund video. If only so I can rant in the comments about how awful a human the author who wrote the relevant books is.
@Chaotic_Jackal
2 жыл бұрын
What was wrong with the author of those books?
@trekker105
2 жыл бұрын
@@Chaotic_Jackal he was a full on NRA sovereign citizen Pay-Day-plus-Almond-Joy-level nutcase.
@Charlie94781
2 жыл бұрын
The Jedi definitely used the old “those people committed suicide” claim to deflect attention from their extrajudicial executions
@lordofpain3476
Жыл бұрын
Just another atrocity I committed by the blood thirsty jedi , the only thing that they loved more than religiously persecuting other force users was trying to overthrow the Republic . Of course the jedi blamed the holocaust they committed on Emperor Vitiate , they always blamed others for their crimes.
@nolanbucsis1703
2 жыл бұрын
Honest question, how do you genocide something that isn't specific to any alien race? I mean, potentially any race of alien could tap into the force unless the lore makes the condition of no force for you. You cannot genocide Darth Sar'lac.
@shanenolan8252
2 жыл бұрын
Run away ( discretion is the better part of valar )
@Videogameuser-wq9zd
2 жыл бұрын
Join me and together we can destroy the Jedi oppressors.
@NoName-ym5zj
Жыл бұрын
TLDR; Yes, they did participate in the genocide of the original sith, Republic might've been the main acting force, but Jedi were an important part of it being powerful warriors and stealing cultural heritage of the sith.
@bgcvetan
Жыл бұрын
The Republic and the Jedi did nothing wrong, but they should have.
@jamesofallthings3684
2 жыл бұрын
The Jedi would have nothing to do without that sith. Look at how useless and corrupt they became during the time leading up to the clone wars.
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