I love how this is the only hacking controversy that doesn’t actually have a definitive conclusion
@ringoferrer2343
Жыл бұрын
When this controversy started I was 10 fucking years old
@Myrdynn19
Жыл бұрын
Even if he did hack Devil Vortex, he still inspired other people to beat it legit like Cyclic
@MrGrabReal
Жыл бұрын
I guess the reason is because no one really actually cares lol correct me politely if I wrong :)
@HJfod
Жыл бұрын
Cyclic?
@Myrdynn19
Жыл бұрын
@@HJfod yea the person who hacked cataclysmic inspired other people to beat it
@sohumchatterjee9
Жыл бұрын
Hacked verification levels are probably the most interesting part of GD's history
@Williamplays844
Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@KeshGD
Жыл бұрын
Yeah
@xorious7
Жыл бұрын
hacking levels is the one way to success 😎
@Astralaa
Жыл бұрын
Should have hacked villain virus to kept that going
@simplic8939
Жыл бұрын
Especially since after hacked verifications are done, people often beat those levels anyways
@PtiruEpicGamer
Жыл бұрын
I especially loved how aggressive he was with every single sentence he said towards his exposers. It really adds to the whole experience of that video.
@gdnoahplayz
Жыл бұрын
@ScimaGD lemme also
@jackyy3
Жыл бұрын
@ScimaGD this is the most fucking repetitive reply possible upon youtube
@jackyy3
Жыл бұрын
@ScimaGD youtube is for teens which means that they can swear
@grantfromramranch
Жыл бұрын
@ScimaGD prepare to laugh at this extremely funny response. fuck shit piss ass damn. I would like to credit smosh for introducing me to the wonderful world of swearing, and my father for publicly showing the many different ways it can be used
@dtgreat9279
Жыл бұрын
Tosh left on caps lock
@LuigiPres1
10 ай бұрын
7/23/23 Tosh is OFFICIALLY proven guilty due to found particles popping up in certain places, meaning that he used blue pads to auto some parts of the level. This justifies npesta’s theory that 54 blue pads were used in the level, also justifying the mystery of the devil vortex saws, which was so the level would have the same amount of objects as the original version. I had actually theorized that the level was macroed after the completion to remove some blue pads (I had theorized that it was 14 oddly enough using some terrible math). Tosh has FINALLY been banned from the demon list, and Mycrafted is officially the verifier of devil vortex. I think his video is now the official verification video for devil vortex, too.
@tehbucketmaster
9 ай бұрын
oh nice
@mokey345
9 ай бұрын
neay
@rhaws2683
9 ай бұрын
question, why did he bother with the saws? why not just copy paste some objects? why leave himself exposed?
@LuigiPres1
9 ай бұрын
@@rhaws2683 who knows? maybe he wanted the community to find out? Maybe he wanted it to happen?
@Chhronnnn
8 ай бұрын
@@LuigiPres1attention?
@Eagleleadsmc
Жыл бұрын
5:41 he probably copied those 3 sawblades at the top and started copypasting them downwards. You can see the same pattern of big, medium, and small sawblades the more you go down
@MapleclawGD
Жыл бұрын
yea it would have been a better argument to say "I was literally just bored and copypasted them" than what he said
@NeonLeo
Жыл бұрын
that was exactly what i thought! it also explains why a bunch of saws are also stacked on eachother since its just copypasted
@pun10123
Жыл бұрын
I was wondering when someone would mention that
@ethereal41
Жыл бұрын
probabl put them in custon obj, and spammed them with swipe option. Then, with the precision of a surgeon's scalpel, copypasted them to create exactly 54 saws at the top.
@ghhh5172
Жыл бұрын
Yes i just noticed that too
@Prometheus_Alt
Жыл бұрын
8:16 It's worth noting that Toshdeluxe was known to do this kind of consistent wave spamming back in those days. He did this A LOT. Not just devil vortex, but on a lot of levels.
@cubycube9924
Жыл бұрын
Lmao and now spam players do stuff like that for 10 seconds or more
@dreamsdicc1817
Жыл бұрын
@@cubycube9924 yes on 60 hz or lower usually
@zealotgamez7796
Жыл бұрын
@@dreamsdicc1817 nah nowadays it's fairly common on higher fps
@dreamsdicc1817
Жыл бұрын
@@zealotgamez7796 im talking about 2 hand spam challenges unless thats a thing too
@zealotgamez7796
Жыл бұрын
@@dreamsdicc1817 as in 2 hands on keyboard? Yah that's a thing too
@sinksinksink
Жыл бұрын
moral of the story: dont play on low detail mode but tbh... that drama was like the funniest sh*t ever. and well... we shall never know what actually happened
@Kaika433
Жыл бұрын
My game lags less on ldm lmao
@miniiore
Жыл бұрын
@@Kaika433of course that's the point of ldm
@Kaika433
Жыл бұрын
@@miniiore yeah but this dude said that the moral of the story is to not use ldm
@Outlawchief-cq4xy
Жыл бұрын
@@Kaika433 it was a joke
@Kaika433
Жыл бұрын
@@Outlawchief-cq4xy i know
@nerdporkspass1m1st78
Жыл бұрын
5:36 That blew my MIND. No one's ever pointed out those three saws before, and now for the first time I could make sense of the Devil Vortex saws. I think those three saws _were a custom object,_ and after Tosh went back into the level, he dragged them across the top at 75%, and deleted extra saws until he got 54 objects. That's why it looks so bizarre!
@idiot9063
Жыл бұрын
I don't get it. What's so special about these saws
@cmnx3083
Жыл бұрын
@@idiot9063 well accusations are that there are somehow perfectly 54 objects in those saws. And npesta's math (obviously full of flaws and assumptions) say that there are 54 auto-pads in the hardest parts of the level
@idiot9063
Жыл бұрын
@@cmnx3083 what does that have to do with anything
@starsyt3164
Жыл бұрын
*Devil Vortex Saw Blades is still funny*
@Rubyllim
Жыл бұрын
@@cmnx3083 why is the number aligning significant at all? Why is adding another 54 objects proof of anything? Genuine question, this has literally confused me ever since the controversy happened
@stysan
Жыл бұрын
you forgot to talk about the saws. so basically he had 54 jump pads invisible and the level'd go from like 8000 to 8054. when he publishes, he can't leave that part auto, so he fulfills the 54 objects with saws.
@stysan
Жыл бұрын
thx for the heart
@attibotgd4123
4 ай бұрын
@@stysan nis hearts every comment
@AnotherSwissYoutubeUser
Жыл бұрын
At least Josh Deluxe gave us a funni haha meme.
@censr
Жыл бұрын
I like how the main reason this controversy got so big in the first place was solely because the saws were placed funny. if tosh wanted to cover up auto with the object count, then he could’ve already done that easily with the unused boss fight stored above the level (like adding more glow to the laser attack or something). Using the saws like this would’ve been the most bizarre way of doing it. I really do think the saws mean nothing, and that he just copy pasted them on accident when he was fixing something in the level. It’s kind of funny how such a small thing can lead to something so drastic.
@inikew
9 ай бұрын
this didn’t age well. he recently got exposed with irrefutable proofs
@SunGodAtomes
9 ай бұрын
@@inikewwdym? They weren’t denying that tosh was cheating
@inikew
9 ай бұрын
@@SunGodAtomes they said they didnt think tosh cheated
@SunGodAtomes
9 ай бұрын
@@inikew oh shi i misread
@inikew
9 ай бұрын
@@SunGodAtomes dw u good
@KPoWasTaken
Жыл бұрын
The hardest thing about this situation is it was streamed with audible clicks. The audio is replaced in the video supposedly for "higher quality" which does make sense as an excuse for the time because at the time there were those GD vids with like 6 background sounds and terrible audio quality. The thing that makes it hard to solve is nobody archived the stream so there is no way to check the raw footage's content. Also there's the fact that he was in a VC with RedHuseey who was making a lot of background noise such as typing which would make his reasoning even more logical. I do think he hacked it but the only person who truly knows is ToshDeluxe
@inikew
9 ай бұрын
he recently got exposed with irrefutable proofs
@940steel
Жыл бұрын
The saw blades is obviously Tosh having the three saws selected and then accidentally placing them while trying to move to another part in the editor thanks to swipe mode being enabled. If you've ever built a level you've had this happen at least once and its annoying Devil Vortex is also bugged on 60 but not 144. This is why weoweoteo (another person who made an exposing vid on Tosh) was 'certain' that Tosh hacked the level because hes a 60hz player. This was before it was widely known that GD's physics change depending on your fps The whole situation is a clusterfuck cuz the accusations at the time were as bad as his response
@amanitamuscaria6865
Жыл бұрын
that would make sense, if it wasnt a. at the very top of the level, b. there weren't solid blocks at the exact same location as the saw and c. different kinds of saws
@nathanw9770
Жыл бұрын
People knew about the physics changing between 60hz and 144hz well before this scandal. A lot of top players switched to 144hz or above by then because of it, hence why it was so odd to see a 60hz player verify a top 5 extreme demon.
@morgboat744
Жыл бұрын
why would he not just undo the placement of accidental saws tho? moving them above the level all in one weird group seems like a hell of a lot more work than just deleting them
@catenjoyer9129
Жыл бұрын
@@morgboat744 and also if this did happen why would he say they were just used for copying
@DarkStarCoreX
11 ай бұрын
That 60z bug can actually be avoided if you use Low Detail Mode in the Help section. I know this because I used to play on 60hz, and one part was bugged without LDM, but with LDM I could get past it easily. That likely means that LDM messes with the hitboxes, so that could possibly explain the usage of LDM.
@ils7103
Жыл бұрын
One other thing is the saws add up to 54 objects and each set of saws is 6 objects. 54 is divisible by 6 and 54/6 is 9 so he could've just placed 9 different sets of saws above the level and claimed "He didn't wanna go all the way back to 75 to get them" and it would've made sense
@Periwinkleaccount
11 ай бұрын
For anyone wondering why low FPS allows for easy consistent spam, it’s because no matter where you click in a frame, the player movement will always (assuming that there’s no lag) happen at the same time: the start of the next frame. If I’m at 10FPS, clicking 10, 10.1, 10.2, and so on, seconds through a level will always have the player move at eleven seconds through, at exactly the same point. It’s like framerules from the original super Mario, and the bus stop analogy. Arriving at the bus stop is you clicking, and the bus driving is the player moving; no matter when you arrive at the bus stop between two busses exiting, you’ll always leave at the same time.
@mysticaxolotl8215
6 ай бұрын
This is very eloquently put!
@BoomBlitz7
10 ай бұрын
Tosh could’ve atleast hid the saws with a alpha trigger, or could’ve added extra deco that added up to 54 objects. There was a lot of stuff you could’ve done instead of just hiding the saws up there and hoping nobody sees it
@mysticaxolotl8215
6 ай бұрын
The saws ARE hidden with an alpha trigger, which makes it even more suspicious
@BoomBlitz7
6 ай бұрын
@@mysticaxolotl8215 Oh I didn’t even know that..
@Random-fk2ig
10 ай бұрын
7:45 the wave makes particles when it hits the ground😳
@maellecampion6663
10 ай бұрын
Oh and another important point: Tosh didn’t spend a lot of attempts on Devil Vortex compared to the other verifiers in levels of similar difficulty. Tosh spent less than 10,000 attempts. For comparison, Sunix spent 35,000 attempts on Sonic Wave, Trusta spent 50,000 attempts on Yatagarasu and BoldStep spent 44,000 attempts on Erebus.
@fidelcastro9869
Жыл бұрын
Question: why would he even copy blades instead of copying blocks within the level? Hence making it harder to detect
@hover5790
Жыл бұрын
It's funny because tosh also added 45 objects above his version of unnerfed paracosm circles and unlike devil vortex they weren't custom objects of any kind. 45 objects is enough to auto most of the last wave in unnerfed paracosm circles which is the hardest part and just like with devil vortex he did not show himself uploading the level in his video.
@QuantumDeathCat
Жыл бұрын
This is my 2nd favourite controversy when i was really into the game, everyone knew tosh wasn't good enough to beat DV, but yet, nearly 6 years later, we still don't 100% have confirmation on how he hacked it. It's very likely auto, but only tosh really knows. My favourite verification controversy happened at a similar time with betrayal of fate by weo. No one talks about this anymore, but weo never had a verification video for it, however, weo was and still is highly respected. Is BoF hack verified? Thats a question that still lingers in my mind because there's never been any concrete evidence on either side.
@shoeskehigashikata7125
Жыл бұрын
Yeah but all the accusations were either "oh but hes bad" or "yeah but the deco!!!!"
@reactorge150
Жыл бұрын
This was an amazing controversy to see happen. I think my favorite has to be the noctafly shit tho, that was quite literally a 1v25 situation that was absolutely insane
@MrPatrickbuit
Жыл бұрын
Wasn't Weo's BoF verification confirmed to be with a secret way? I could have sworn that was the outcome of the controversy at the time. I'm pretty sure he admitted it himself as well. Regardless, I don't think anyone holds it against him and for good reason. He never wanted to be a good player and he never tried to get recognition for being a good player. He just wanted to make a hard level and put it out there, but at the time (early 2.0) it was still very rare to have the creator and the verifier be completely separate unlike now. That's why I think he hacked it.
@femboyyandereking
5 ай бұрын
We having favourite controversies now?
@corproisbest1778
Жыл бұрын
I grew up watching Tosh Deluxe, and this controversy always mystified me. Especially back then, younger me was like "theres no way my favorite youtuber is a hacker". Even after it died out, it still confused me. Anyways, thanks for solving this mystery. Now I know the truth.
@Dexzler
Жыл бұрын
I kinda dont think he hacks in the way he actually hacks
@carogaph
10 ай бұрын
It's funny that he says "You could argue that whoever beat devil vortex first after Tosh is the true verifier" when that is exactly what happened to Doggie with slaughterhouse after SpaceUK was exposed.
@Clubette
Жыл бұрын
I also noticed Tosh's completion on Bloodbath where he clearly noclipped, but nobody in the comments even gave a crap about it. Lol.
@RMED24
10 ай бұрын
I can't believe this drama I've seen from the very start has finally come to an end
@acevictorium__
10 ай бұрын
this aged very well and now we know that toshdeluxe isin't so much of a skilled player.
@zcode9343
Жыл бұрын
another thing i thought was interesting: at 98%, after he passed the last wave, he does 13 frame perfect wave inputs in a row, which is next to impossible on high refresh rates, especially at high cps. its like this guy was trying to get caught lol
@shoeskehigashikata7125
Жыл бұрын
no he didnt tf
@zcode9343
Жыл бұрын
@@shoeskehigashikata7125 bro watch the freaking video lol
@PiniutLEGIT
Жыл бұрын
@@zcode9343 I watched both the videos and didn't see, you must be seeing things. Do you mean the one he did on stream 5 years ago or the rebeat with the purple skin?
@zcode9343
Жыл бұрын
@@PiniutLEGIT its at the end of his verification for the old version
@PiniutLEGIT
Жыл бұрын
@@zcode9343 Yeah, I kinda sorta found it and while the part at 54% looks sus, the one at 98% is actually human made. I checked the pixels and the pattern of the pixels wasn't the same for all (0, 1, 1, 0 , 1 distance). It still feels really weird to call out stuff that happened so long ago. People either really hate him and like to bring stuff back or either found out about it recently. I'm not too deep into GD community, but I know there have been multiple incidents where famous players hacked or did naughty-naughty.
@Bombinyoballsgahh
9 ай бұрын
I've learnt a Very valuable lesson from this video alone. Never put anything suspicious on something before its too late. You're gonna have some questioning later. Answer it wrong and you're dead for.
@sttwtest
9 ай бұрын
I didn't know this video is a crime commiting tutorial 💀💀💀
@legendavid993
Жыл бұрын
Hello! I have a few inquiries: When testing the consistency of the wave movements on higher and lower hertz, there was for some reason the choice to do it with the normal-sized wave, despite that the macro-accusation was made against ToshDeluxe's mini-wave movements. It may have made little difference, but I thought it would have been more accurate to try and recreate it as closely as possible. Additionally, it would have been preferable to use 120 hertz rather than 240 to more closely resemble the prerequisites behind Tosh's verification attempt. Other than that, this video was very well done!
@tkienjoyer
Жыл бұрын
Trying to perfectly recreate tosh's gameplay wasn't the point. The point was to show that spam is more consistent on lower fps, and showing that tosh is an idiot.
@legendavid993
Жыл бұрын
@@tkienjoyer I'm aware of that - however, I think it would have strengthened the main point to make the test as definite and conclusive as possible - especially considering that it is the main piece of evidence supporting the very decisive conclusion made at the end of the video. This is not meant to invalidate the analysis, but rather to remove any doubt of illegitimacy. Nonetheless, the overall research was very impressive!
@tkienjoyer
Жыл бұрын
@@legendavid993 I feel it a bit unnecessary to post this comment as saying tosh was legit is idiocy regardless, but maybe that's just me. That's the main reason I posted the original reply
@necr0mancrr
Жыл бұрын
I remember when this went down, with the sawblades and microclicks and everything. The most confusing part about it to me is why the sawblades became a huge community meme years after any of the drama was relevant.
@tabletopstudios3550
Жыл бұрын
5:30 actually, I have this bug for me in the editor, when I drag something it copies itself everywhere into a mess similar to that. Stacking hundreds into the same grid space
@cataclysmi
4 ай бұрын
It's swipe mode.
@semajvi
11 ай бұрын
“Hold my beer”- spaceuk
@Franwow
4 ай бұрын
I never understood the "Devil Vortex Saws" memes, so thanks for this video.
@edsmith236
11 ай бұрын
Great video! i was confused about the memes where there would just be the Devil Vortex saws placed at the end. it really cleared things up for me and i understand the scandal now. Thanks!
@katiekatten8968
Жыл бұрын
what annoys me about this is that everyone gets hung up on whether or not tosh's defense about the saws makes sense or not, but he doesn't have to prove his innocence, they need to prove his guilt, and no one has made a thorough exposing that shows concrete proof as they have done with other hackers. i don't understand if they could expose noctafly or even Bo, why can't they expose tosh if he really hacked
@Vehmura
11 ай бұрын
Thank you for giving me a conclusion to this still "unsolved" case
@ideal982
Жыл бұрын
I think they were placed there to comply with the amount of orbs that were making the level invisible auto, so they had the same object count
@E6D49N73
Жыл бұрын
I find it hilarious that tosh comes back all of a sudden and we just go back onto him 🤣
@cancerguy5435
Жыл бұрын
While the verifications were undoubtedly hacked, the saws are one of the greatest gd memes, and for that I'm grateful.
@user-qi4rz1zu6q
Жыл бұрын
Holy moly this is probably the most in depth investigation of a hacked verification I've ever seen.Good work man!
@TheRealTheLights
5 ай бұрын
11:23 bro still didn't let the sink in
@MelodyWasTaken
9 ай бұрын
This video aged well.
@dudodo
Жыл бұрын
The thing is that the set of 3 saws is just below the level at 75, way easier to get than the ones at the top
@Flightkitten
Жыл бұрын
The memes about the saws will never not be funny
@leflyathon
5 ай бұрын
this is my comfort video and idk why
@AnnieTGM
Жыл бұрын
I didn't even know adding custom objects was even possible until I watched this video.
@StoleYourCube
Жыл бұрын
about the wave thing with the fps: of course you are more consistant at lower fps with it. to get this pixel perfect alignment you need to basically do it frame perfect, and well the less frames you have per second the more time you have per frame to hit it so it's easier
@newbite6394
Жыл бұрын
sikky is mad
@Mezocyclone
10 ай бұрын
7:25 he sounds like a ai voiceover bruh
@leanxgd1389
Жыл бұрын
Tosh copy pasting saws is such a dumb method of trying to manipulate the obj count. You can literally think of a better way of manipulating the obj count and make it unnoticeable at the same time in just 5 seconds of thinking. This is what I would've done: Devil Vortex is full of black objects, specifically black cubes. If you copy+paste a black cube on top of itself you can't literally tell if it's done so. The only way of finding out if it's by pure chance you select one of the objects I randomly copied on top of itself AND moved it. With the insane amounts of black cubes there's in devil Vortex it would be almost impossible to even find one of them, assume there's more of those and find the exact same amount of objects I copied+pasted on top of themselves. Copy pasting those saws was literally a red flag.
@randomdude-tk6nm
10 ай бұрын
He also could've added some invisible blocks (im pretty sure those are a thing, haven't played in a while) at the bottom of the map or inside the blocks in the layout and people probably wouldn't notice (i don't think they pop up without selection on the level editor)
@ruthkatz1998
4 ай бұрын
8:50 bros argument was literally "NUH UH"
@Astromite322
Жыл бұрын
At 12:14 there is a hitbox right below the ship portal. I can’t tell if tosh actually used auto or if the creator just put it there
@gielisdr
Жыл бұрын
Thats in the level
@xd3athclawx554
Жыл бұрын
it would way way harder and kinda luck based if that wasnt there, cause going from wave to ship straight fly without any alignment help is super awful
@Astromite322
Жыл бұрын
@@xd3athclawx554 you're right
@RayZorSticks
Жыл бұрын
I love how you actually used gd as an example to provide facts and evidence to prove and justify your points. Absolulety loved this video, it was awesome :D
@787ity
10 ай бұрын
Annnnnnndddd.. he hacked it..
@AlmoAiden
Жыл бұрын
11:41 hey look it’s me :) Great video though, I remember when this was “verified” back in the day and all the controversies that followed, from some stuff with noctafly to the npesta situation. It’s nice to see this being brought back up with even more evidence to support the verification not being legit lol
@ryo_gene
10 ай бұрын
2:19,from the gameplay the ship got down like it was on a slope.
@amvianna1
10 ай бұрын
Recently, The Verification Was Actually Proven TO BE HACKED!
@Eyon_MC
8 ай бұрын
Had to be, the wave did the odd thing.
@KionLikesFrogs
Жыл бұрын
5:35 I also noticed that that pattern is copied very messily throughout the sawblades. They seem to be copy pasted all the way down which is weird and I have no idea what to do with this info
@Noname-md6lc
Жыл бұрын
"Stay outcof my head" -Sikky
@Hytex1
Ай бұрын
just saw this video now but i have to say its a very interesting topic and good video ur very underrated, keep it up!
@cyberdragon238
Жыл бұрын
9:50 is also why the spam list has low fps verifications.
@_scored
10 ай бұрын
This mystery finally has an end lol
@ieatcarsyum8248
10 ай бұрын
5:35 if you look closely you’ll notice the entire mess of sawblades is just that pattern of 3 sawblades copy and pasted. Not sure if that changes anything but it’s something to note
@jibanyan5456
Жыл бұрын
amazing video, as always! really cleared up some confusion for me lol
@Hon38148
Жыл бұрын
We still can't deny the level is beautifull
@MeraQ_X
10 ай бұрын
i want to make a meme where people just put devil vortex saws in all their levels or in the background atleast lol
@specygamer30
9 ай бұрын
finally i get why some meme reviewer kinda gets PTSD when he sees that pattern
@chryst4l926
9 ай бұрын
What I find super interesting as well is that the thing you pointed out (Being the 3 Saw allignment) is that the whole structure is just that assignment copied over a bunch of time
@acat6759
Жыл бұрын
The Devil Vortex saws are (I'm pretty sure) rotating at different speeds, but even then it STILL wouldn't make sense because he could just change the custom rotation speed as he was placing them.
@gabber64
Жыл бұрын
Glad to see you covering recent and relevant situations!!! 😁
@NothingIsScary
Жыл бұрын
lol
@danderes236
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining this case! I've always thought about this verification.
@spearmintlatios9047
Жыл бұрын
I was in the server of the initial devil vortex exposure video. I didn’t contribute basically anything, but I found it amusing to see this drama unfolding before everyone else. I think the shared experience was that something is incredibly fishy about the video, and we had some ideas about what but nothing definitive. As soon as the level came out, we knew the level was horribly unbalanced (especially with the pixel perfect click at the end) similarly to Athanatos which was also hacked on verification. I think the point of the video was more to raise questions towards the legitimacy of the video and hope he admitted to it.
@minecrash101
11 ай бұрын
with this video as my only form of context, I don't think he hacked it. I feel like everyone's just not being smart enough about this. My main problem is with the saws. It was pointed out that each saw was used to copy and paste into the level, but I don't think that was what was happening. I think he saved the three saws, big, medium, and small sizes, as a custom object. What I think happened was that he selected the three saw custom object, and had swipe enabled, so he tried dragging across the screen but placed the custom object multiple times instead. You can see the pattern of the saws going large, medium, and small throughout the "mess." You can also notice that the saws all the way at the bottom of the mess had the sizes of the squares inside of the saws decrease in descending order, implying that the three saws were originally there. I think he also had free move enabled, and he dragged the squares outside of the saws, or even at least wanted to see what the saws would look like not filled in, and after all of that, I don't think he was bothered to remove them. Overall, I still don't understand how this proves he used jump pads to make parts invisible auto. Yeah, there would've been 54 pads and there's 54 objects in those saws, but how do those correlate? It's just a coincidence. If it wasn't, why would he try to hide some sort of subliminal messaging that he hacked the level inside of the level? Also, 54 is divisible by 6, which is the amount of objects it would take to make 3 saws.
@uwuvix3788
11 ай бұрын
There are some things about this I feel seem wrong. For one, the 54 saws and pads do correlate. If there are 8000 objects in the level (example amount), and 54 pads are added, the level would have 8054 objects. Tosh showed the object count of the level after he verified it, so people would know the level has 8054 objects. So after he stopped recording, he deleted the auto pads, and added 54 objects of saws so the object count would still be at 8054. 2. You say 54 is divisible by 6, which is the amount of objects it takes to make 3 saws. That is correct, but what does that prove? If you wrote that because it's not 54 saws, but 27 saws and 27 black blocks... that still proves the point that 54 objects were added. 3. Tosh dragging the blocks out of the saws to see what they would look like doesn't make sense. You have to place One. Object. To see what it would look like. Why would that be important? Feel free to explain your points.
@randomdude-tk6nm
10 ай бұрын
@@uwuvix3788 he cannot respond to this good response, good job
@minecrash101
9 ай бұрын
You're absolutely correct on the first point, so I won't go over that. For your 2nd point, I was trying to prove that he had a custom object with the 3 saws, and had swipe enabled and accidentally dragged them out, but didn't care enough to delete them. You can somewhat see a pattern in the mess of saws being bigger on the left side and smaller on the right. For your 3rd point, since he had accidentally swiped the custom objects across, he thought that he might as well have just used what was there rather than deleting it. Tbh I kinda want to "remake" what happened to show what I'm thinking visually.
@ireadysucks3026
9 ай бұрын
Either way, it doesn't matter because the particles were messed up, which were definite proof that he cheated
@25lostt
8 ай бұрын
1:36 well that aged well
@RhythmHeavenFan123
8 ай бұрын
Not really cause of “one of”
@25lostt
3 ай бұрын
ayy we got a heart
@CatkinsonGD
Жыл бұрын
Really good video analyzing an old hacked completion, which makes it very clear to the audience on why it must be hacked. I think this would be a great resource for modern players who weren't around when this all happened. I'd like to see more videos like this that teach the community hack detection methods, because it's really fascinating stuff.
@Xzyla
Жыл бұрын
Weren’t the saws used to prove he didn’t cheat the level and go above the top
@amonke8446
10 ай бұрын
Aged like fine wine
@EggyGaming00
9 ай бұрын
2:17 theres litteraly particles of ship standing on invisible blocks
@96NARII69
Жыл бұрын
Honestly why are people still going at this one level in 2023
@thetarr2
10 ай бұрын
"No, I am not using mods... well I mean, I am" with the mod menus just rolling in is so funny
@NothingIsScary
10 ай бұрын
yeah i hated that line.
@aidn76official
Жыл бұрын
you said at the beginning of the video how the saws add up to 54, and npesta said it takes 54 jump pads or so to make the level auto. i think he did this because he showed the object count at the end of the video and didnt want there to be 54 objects less when the level was actually uploaded.
@ujkloin
10 ай бұрын
5:34 this is not only at the top, theres also the 3 sized ones next to each other in MANY places in the mess just watch
@orangegamingflaming
11 ай бұрын
me trying to stop my big explosion of spit and laughter when i see the vortex saws
@urmomgeylolfake
Жыл бұрын
Holy shit I remember the video when tosh uploaded saying he didn't cheat this level all those years ago that's crazy
@12trescuatro
Жыл бұрын
this is my favourite gd controversy, this is the only one i remember about a "hacked" verification that still has no answer in 2023, I had forgotten all this drama of its time until now, it is very interesting. underrated content
@ScorchingStoleYourToast
8 ай бұрын
1:15 if youre sikky do not tap this timestamp
@theaviator1152
4 ай бұрын
To this day I just don’t understand why Tosh didn’t disguise those 54 objects better. The saws make it so obvious. If it was just an extra row of black blocks at the top or bottom of the level area he would have never been caught.
@Renni-kg6vf
4 ай бұрын
2:12 is the most blatant invisible auto I've ever seen
@moz6388
Жыл бұрын
Tosh did hack it. But Npesta also had no right to call him out because even he admitted it, his evidence was very weak and speculative. So npesta basically had a hunch and decided to go through with it anyway without 100% proof. Keep in mind that when npesta uploaded his video, the screenshot of the perfect wave alignment was not yet shared. There are no heroes in this story, but nonetheless npesta should've never uploaded an exposal based on speculation which makes me honestly cheer for tosh more in this situation.
@user-ux2kk5vp7m
11 ай бұрын
The perfect wave alignment isn’t proof of cheating though. Tosh was very well known for being able to spam that consistently back in the day. He did it in many levels. Truth be told, Tosh was a dick. But as a result everyone hated this guy and wanted a reason to prove he cheated
@economicapple2609
10 ай бұрын
Well…
@MoldyGD
Жыл бұрын
4:12 I still do this you can’t do me like that 😭
@thetopnick32
11 ай бұрын
"One of the biggest Geometry Dash hacking controversies we have ever seen." SPACE
@hainesnoids
11 ай бұрын
i've noticed that all the saws have the same spacing between size. So my idea is that he most likely spammed ctrl, d, and s.
@Jay_boy19
Жыл бұрын
Me who has known and played gd including using the editor for at least 5 years now: “Wait you can save custom objects?”
@extremonomiamusics9557
Жыл бұрын
about to make sikky lose his mind 1:16
@billbobs678
Жыл бұрын
'NOOO IT'S EVERYWHERE' - Sikky
@NC2O1O.
6 ай бұрын
1:13 Sikky now it's a good time to put your eyes closed
@bluebell9016
9 ай бұрын
The fact is that Nepesta had no proof or idea what he was doing, but tosh responded in a bad way which proofed that he cheated
@frankienoodles3031
9 ай бұрын
I like this video, very thorough.
@NothingIsScary
9 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@mikeloco5477
Жыл бұрын
Underrated content 👏👏👏
@nuggbonuggbo2398
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for covering this topic as alyways great video.
@TrigonometryX
Жыл бұрын
You could even see the pads when you had slow mo on the wave part XD
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