When I was a Protestant and went to a christian school they made us say the pledge to the Protestant flag and Bible. I'm laughing now because Catholics have the Papal flag but to my knowledge there is no "pledge of allegiance" to it. 😆😆🇻🇦
@SpaceEndeavour
5 ай бұрын
I have been a Catholic my entire life and have never heard of a pledge of allegiance to the flag of Vatican City. I never even heard of a pledge to the Christian flag or to the bible before today
@annahgibbus8
5 ай бұрын
@@SpaceEndeavour I grew up in Lutheran school 8 years & knew of the christian flag & Lutheran flag, but we only pledged allegiance to the American flag. In Lutheran school we went to a children's church service Wednesday mornings, and Sunday school Sundays while the adults were in church, but school was school church was church. I just googled the LGBT flag & they have an allegiance saying also.
@pamelaadam9207
5 ай бұрын
This flag. Worship is not a thing where I am even the saltire is not worshiped on schools
@arielfelts9111
4 ай бұрын
@@annahgibbus8 and as someone who has been emersed in queer culture on a deep level for over a decade I had never heard of a pledge to the flag. Big communities contain internal diversity. Such is life.
@tangledcharlotte
4 ай бұрын
Also, I wonder if its presence varies by region. I never saw it growing up, and no one uses it where I am now. Maybe it's a thing in places with higher Catholic populations. Just a theory, but it would make sense.
@heatherkeegan3594
5 ай бұрын
Heritage Christian in Wallingford CT- did those pledges every day.... When I tell my husband about this stuff his mind is blown.
@CarolineIronwill
5 ай бұрын
Congrats! Also, Shelise is just pure class. Love her channel, too.
@abihebb6720
5 ай бұрын
I went to two catholic schools, and flags were never discussed in terms of religion.
@JCScavage97
4 ай бұрын
I attended Catholic school through 8th grade. We never talked about the Christian flag or did a pledge to it or the Bible. I attended a UPCI associated school in high-school. We were required to pledge to all 3 there in the mornings. I knew the American flag pledge, but felt extremely uncomfortable admitting to my class that I am had never heard of the other 2 pledges. When you mentioned it on the cults to consciousness interview, this resonated with me. It was an early moment for me in the type of fundamentalist school. It's odd how many little rituals like that I placed in the back of my head. Thank you for sharing.
@RD-yj9zj
4 ай бұрын
I am a Christian, and your channel has been very helpful for me to understand abuse in the church. Your also a fantastic interviewer. In the past i was under a narcissist lying wolf acting as a pastor, it was so traumatic. But, it also awoke me to be diligent to watch what goes on in a church setting, not everyone there has good intentions.
@quietstorm7684
Ай бұрын
Vacation Bible School started with the pledges to the US flag, the Christian flag, and the Bible every morning.
@xwhatitisyo
5 ай бұрын
I've not only heard of it. I used to carry it into church and lead the pledge to it.
@pjkempen7413
5 ай бұрын
I went to a christian elementary school where we pledged to the christian flag and the bible in the morning along with the american flag.
@kurenno477
5 ай бұрын
I come from a family with many different Christian faiths - Methodist, Catholic, and Christian Science - and have never heard of a Christian flag, ever. I may have seen the plain one without text, but would never have recognized it as from the US. I think I assumed it was the flag of a foreign country like Norway or Sweden - like when people put the flag of the country of their ethnic background as a sticker on their car. Growing up I went to a non-denominational private school. We said the pledge of allegiance, and a very brief, very simple non-Christian specific prayer that mentions G-d. If the “Christian flag” once said “by this, conquer” - doesn’t that suggest that the version without text still references that sentiment? Also, it strikes me as extremely unpatriotic to pledge allegiance to any other flag than the American flag, when the purpose of the pledge of allegiance is one to a nation that expressly protects freedom of religion as a foundational principle. Indeed the purpose of the establishment of the nation was ostensibly for the freedom to worship as one was individually called to do so in direct unmediated relationship to G-d, and not subject to any specific church or nation. To pledge to another flag of a specific religion that appropriates and conflates the principles of liberty and justice for all only if they are Christian is fundamentally fascistic and un-American. I am quite serious about this. Both of my grandfathers served full 4+ years in WWII to eradicate fascism in Europe and defend the United States against Japan - one served in the European theater, the other in the Pacific theater - and they specifically fought against fascism and for the principle of freedom as we define it - freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, freedom of the press, and separation of church and state. When any group tries to establish their religion as the state, they risk everyone’s ability to worship as they are called to - even their own - because then whoever gets into power can define the faith as well - and that’s essentially a Christian version of the Taliban, totalism, and fundamentally un-American.
@dreamstreetrose318
5 ай бұрын
I attended a fundamental Baptist church in Ontario for over 15 years. They were a lovely group of people for the most part. This flag was on a flagpole at the front of the church next to the Canadian flag. I never knew what it was for, but I assumed it was a "Baptist thing."
@bobbivossbrink
5 ай бұрын
Yes, I went to Mount Pleasant Baptist Church and the question flag flew behind the podium and the American flag on the other side of the podium.
@MomLAU
5 ай бұрын
Did you mean to type "question flag", or was that auto-correct? Just wondering.
@DudleyDawson
5 ай бұрын
Guessing you meant Christian flag, not question flag. I also grew up going to a Baptist church where both the American flag and the christian flag were flown. There was this thing we'd do once a year where we would salute the US flag and recite the pledge of allegiance and then salute the Christian flag and recite some sort of Baptist pledge. I've always wondered whether other churches did that.
@anitaelwell8434
5 ай бұрын
I literally just passed a home with the Christian flag beneath the American flag, while listening to this podcast! 😳
@nathryl03
5 ай бұрын
I learned about the christian flag from your podcast episode with Shelise.
@arthurcoomes2942
5 ай бұрын
Never heard of an official Christian flag, but I have seen that flag.
@miriamporterfield852
5 ай бұрын
I go to the Church of the Nazarene. When my boys were young, we had a scouting program and they would say all 3 pledges. Now we have a Christian school that meets in our church. They do say all 3 pledges each morning. We do chapel with them on Wednesday morning and they do all 3 pledges. As a Christian, I have actually thought about what each pledge says. It is very meaningful.
@glendastansbury5702
4 ай бұрын
Pledges to the Christian flag and the Bible -Every year at Vacation Bible School. I was a Baptist preacher’s kid in a Southern Baptist Church. My father ultimately left the church and just wrote his book “Reflections of a Recovering Baptist” ❤❤
@1ACL
5 ай бұрын
I went to Catholic school, and we pledged to the American flag only. There was no Christian flag, or Catholic flag, nor pledge to the Bible. The Mass was when and where you 'pledged ' to being a Catholic and Christian. IT WAS SEPARATE.
@deanacook3805
5 ай бұрын
Yes! I can still recite both pledges to it & the Bible also. 🤦🏻♀️private, Christian school kid here too.
@juliachildress2943
5 ай бұрын
Born and raised Southern Baptist, so yes, I can still remember the pledge to the Christian flag. Bible school was the only time I heard it recited. At the opening ceremony each morning, the US flag and the Christian flag would come down the aisle while we sang some song, followed by the pledges. 65 years ago and I still remember like it was yesterday. The Christian flag still adorns the sanctuary of my current centrist-liberal UMC church.
@chasefournier
5 ай бұрын
fun fact, some churches even had the baptist flag 💀
@hannahb6331
5 ай бұрын
Came here to say this ⬆️ “the Book, the Blood, and the Blessed Hope!” 😂🥴
@katelynbrown98
5 ай бұрын
Yes, many Gen X & Millennial Evangelicals grew up with the Christian flag in our churches. Some denominations probably wouldn't have one due to not having idolatry
@heatherkaye6362
5 ай бұрын
I was one of the first kids being homeschooled in GR, MI (1982). Then I attended a Baptist school where we had the American & Christian flag and Bible pledges every morning. I grew up with this weird disconnect in my head. On the one hand, I was being told that this was exactly how Christianity always was and we were preserving the pure form. On the other hand, because having a tv would bring sinful, worldly content into the home, I was reading voraciously and Christianity looked a lot different in the "wholesome" books I was reading from the 1800's. It wasn't until the past decade when I began examining why I believe what I believe, and why I practiced my faith the way I did that I realized what a very odd blip in the religion this form of fundamentalism really is.
@nealdavis7276
5 ай бұрын
I went to a Southern Baptist high school, not IFB. We also said the pledge to the Christian Flag and to the Bible. Before that, I went to a Pentecostal school, and we also pledged to all three there.
@madamekatie3580
5 ай бұрын
Yes, I did know. It was the first flag that I had to memorize as a kid lol
@ryancaldwell9463
5 ай бұрын
We pledged allegiance to it every day at VBS.
@lindateuling7862
5 ай бұрын
I remember seeing a Christian flag in my church. ( I am not an IFB ). I'm a senior citizen and I remember when there were not a lot of connotations attached to it
@amberjewell3894
5 ай бұрын
WE did the pledges every day. Even when we homeschooled we did all 3 pretty regularly. It was in all the churches and christian schools we visited.
@jenniferwatson8798
5 ай бұрын
I'm a Christian, my dad is a preacher, and I attended a faith-based college almost 20 years ago. I'd never heard of a Christian flag until the Cults to Consciousness episode. If Christianity is about a heavenly kingdom, an earthly flag makes absolutely zero sense. Christianity is not about spreading church culture across the earth: it's about bringing people to Jesus. There's a difference.
@Nevermore3096
4 ай бұрын
I don't remember if my family's church had or has a Christian flag, but I did see the pledge to the Christian flag and the Bible when I watched Jesus Camp on KZitem back in 2010. There's also one outside one of the churches in my city that I see frequently.
@cdgjr
4 ай бұрын
I was watching and IFB service online and they said the pledge to the Baptist church.
@jeremykendall7524
4 ай бұрын
Yes, I knew about the Christian Flag my whole life. I was a Sunday School teacher when I stopped pledging to the flag and bible. Teacher was taken from me as leadership noticed. Sorry, I will never say a creed in worship to any object ever again. My journey started at 40. Still discovering things that I need to work on because of my upbringing.
@angelamc2923
5 ай бұрын
So I wasn't Baptist but I grew up in ACE Christian schools so I totally did all those pledges every day. None of the churches that had these schools that I attended were Baptist either, but ACE was a quick and dirty way for a church to throw a school together so it was way more popular than it deserved. I'm happy to say that my Alma mater quit using ACE years ago....
@marie33135
4 ай бұрын
I had heard of the Christian flag, but not of the pledge.
@jenniferthomson9442
5 ай бұрын
Not only heard of, had to recite both almost daily for most of my childhood. I grew up in IFB and went to school at Lancaster Baptist as well others in the AV.
@TheDCinSC
5 ай бұрын
I'd heard of it and seen it, but am not a fan (I do like Church Flags and had a Reformed Episcopal one made for the parish I serve). It's a late innovation and as a student of vexillology (the study of flags), it's poorly designed.
@rebeccajeane8287
5 ай бұрын
As someone who knows fuck all about vexillology but who has decent taste, I agree that it's poorly designed.
@MichaelYoder1961
5 ай бұрын
Thanks Eric - I've lived in Canada since I was 8 (1969) and I can still recite the "pledge of allegiance to the flag..." hand over heart and pretty culty when you think about it.
@1ACL
5 ай бұрын
No, not really, because you can protest the government, you can leave the country, you can think for yourself. So, a democracy is not a cult.
@JJ-no1youno
Ай бұрын
I’ve been a Christian since age 27 & I never liked the whole idea of allegiance to a Christian flag. I feel that falls under idolatry ….hard pass for me 😬 Note: I feel the same way about the US flag. I love my country but there’s no need to chant my allegiance to a flag. I’ll show my allegiance by being a good US citizen 🤷♀️
@15thGenerationTidewaterFarmer
5 ай бұрын
I have always been familiar with the Christian flag. But growing up always associated it with more liberal churches. The more conservative Church would either fly a Baptist flag or another version of the St Andrew's cross.
@fnjesusfreak
5 ай бұрын
South Scriba United Methodist Church (no longer exists). It was the one flag in their sanctuary.
@melissahollowell7255
5 ай бұрын
Yes, because I saw kids at a Christian private school reciting the pledge on a documentary.
@rebeccajeane8287
5 ай бұрын
I definitely remember the Christian flag and its pledge.
@bhagavatid.d.7619
5 ай бұрын
No, I probably had seen it associated with knights and middle Ages movies, but now also that makes sense 😊
@jaord530
5 ай бұрын
Yep- mine was a “free will” Baptist church. Started Sunday school every week with pledge to all 3!
@TracyBurns-mw1pg
5 ай бұрын
A Christian flag was in my Christian school and I knew the pledge very well. I'm curious what curriculum your school used. I went to a Christian school and actually taught it for several years and do not remember any references to slavery that excused it because the slave owner was kind to their slaves. Not doubting the comment, just curious.
@Stephanie-ni6zc
5 ай бұрын
Familiar with these, as my daughter went to a private Christian elementary school (hosted by a Nazarene church).
@MrResomation
4 ай бұрын
I remember the Christian flag as a kid. We only said the pledge to the Xian flag and the Bible once per year during vacation Bible School. I still attend church, but haven't seen a Christian flag in more than 30 years. I don't really have a problem with the Xian flag as a symbol... McDonald's restaurants have their own flag, so whatever floats your boat.
@allisontexas4810
5 ай бұрын
We had Awana every Wednesday as a baptist and we had to pledge to the Christian flag
@kurenno477
5 ай бұрын
What is Awana?
@zackjohnson9956
5 ай бұрын
We did those pledges in my Pentecostal/Charismatic upbringing - we had a different ending to the flag one: one brotherhood uniting all true Christians, in service, and in love. 'True' Xtians - how pretentious we were...
@jennifererickson2355
5 ай бұрын
Yes, the Christian flag was very familiar
@feleciaschreier1178
5 ай бұрын
Yes I knew about the Christian flag. The is also a Catholic flag, but then the Vatican is a country
@anitaelwell8434
5 ай бұрын
Yes. Kids went to Christian school for a few years
@mamajoe7715
5 ай бұрын
Every church I've ever been in has one.
@IamaChristian-d1m
4 ай бұрын
Yes I have heard of the Christian flag I actually have two Christian flags in my apartment and I'm very happy to have them next to my American flag
@joshuahorne2764
4 ай бұрын
As you started reciting the pledge of allegiance to the bible all of the sudden I remembered it. verbatim ... Talk about repressed memories..
@Andrea_Pandrea
5 ай бұрын
I had seen that flag, but I thought it was a k* kl*x kl*n flag because I only ever saw it flying with the confederate flag.
@helenr4300
4 ай бұрын
UK here - I had heard about a christian flag but never seen it in anyway. Someone may know otherwise but I don't think it is used in UK, or only in a very small niche. Not got to the history part yet but I wonder if it was a reaction to pledging to the US flag (another thing we don't do for our flag) and people felt that should also pledge to God. Pledging to the Bible seems to fit extreme inerrancy theology.
@johnnyfalcon3198
5 ай бұрын
Yes, I did the exact same three pledges before school every day at the IFB church school I attended K5-12th. During special IFB church services, usually July 4th, we also would occasionally do these pledges.
@joshuahorne2764
4 ай бұрын
The first church that I remember was in alaska. A little town outside of Eielson Air Force base Called Moose Creek. So obviously the church I attended was moose creek baptist church. It was a Southern Baptist church. Not an I f b. And I don't remember not seeing the christian flag right next to the american flag with an open bible on display on a podium right in front of them
@stillWaters137
3 ай бұрын
I also had to say the 3 pledges each day in IFB schools as a child, in spite of the blatant idolatry of it. My parents also signed oaths to the schools about not doing stuff as a family like going to movies or wearing certain clothing articles or dancing or drinking alcohol or general 'misbehavior' of our family in public that might bring shame on the cult. Eric, did your religious circle focus excessively on medieval times & chivalry? I've been looking into the 'christian' flag as well & some of the masonic orders it's tied to. Seems a huge connection to the Crusades (murdering people who have a differing opinion/religion)/Templars/Jesuits as the alternate flag 'In this sign, conquer' you displayed would also suggest. KKK is just another knighthood circle, albeit, more openly hateful than some of the more secretive orders. The Jesuit oath makes the lengths of violence sometimes required more apparent. The political Tea Party, Improved Order of Red Men & the Order of the Founders & Patriots of America are kissing cousins in this realm. The Founders Order even requires a bloodline connection for membership. They claim George H. W. Bush as a bloodliner. Revolutionaries. These are the people making the pendulum swing in the direction of forms of godliness via hostile takeover. A forced physical Z!on. 'I'm in the lord's army...yes, sir...' Pretty gross using the fear of God to manipulate & groom children into fighting adult political wars.
@robertstutes2547
4 ай бұрын
Lots on Methodist (mainline, not fundamentalist) have a US flag on one side and a Christian flag on the opposite side (in the sanctuary) but fortunately most of us do not do the pledge! #cringe
@amyscott2633
5 ай бұрын
Grew up going to a baptist church, very familiar with the Christian flag.
@DrGero15
5 ай бұрын
Why did it fly under the US flag? Shouldn't it fly over the US flag? I always wondered that. I also grew up with it and the associated pledges (different wording than yours) during VBS every year. It still flies in many churches across from the US flag behind the pulpit and on the poll outside. Many also have the flag of Israel flying inside behind the pulpit or on the wall somewhere.
@kurenno477
5 ай бұрын
Why do they have the flag of Israel? Why do you say the Christian flag should be over the American flag?
@DrGero15
5 ай бұрын
@@kurenno477 To salute it and pledge allegiance to it. Because Christians are supposed to be citizens of heaven first and foremost, Isn't God more important than the USA? So why is His flag under the flag of the USA? Isn't it also supposed to be "One Nation *UNDER* God" ? I really don't understand why churches are flying a nations flag, but if they are it should be under the Christian flag not over it. It says a lot when you display your patriotism before your faith.
@kurenno477
4 ай бұрын
@@DrGero15 But it’s the foundational principle of the nation - freedom of religion - that allows you and everyone else to practice their religion freely and safely. To put one specific religion above that principle endangers everyone, including yourself. To forget aka dishonor the principle and nation that upholds that freedom and safety to follow one’s true calling in relationship to G-d and conscience IS disrespecting each person’s personal relationship with G-d, including your own. It is an act of pride in the negative sense, de facto declaring you know the only right way, indeed that you and your particular church are the gatekeepers, and that goes against the foundational principle of Protestantism and of this nation at its core.
@DrGero15
4 ай бұрын
@@kurenno477 I am not sure what you are trying to say.
@kurenno477
4 ай бұрын
@@DrGero15 Freedom of religion is foundational to the US. The principle of freedom of religion is what grants each of us the safety to practice as we are called. To put a specific religion's flag above that of the nation who protects our ability to practice as all are called says the group or person doing so believes their singular religion is the only one of value, the only one that should have that right. To do so loses sight of the bigger picture - that we must protect and value and pledge to protect the value that everyone has the right to practice as they are called. To do so says that group or person does not believe in freedom of religion - that they do not believe in the very principle that makes it possible for them to practice as they believe. Also, one pledges allegiance to the flag and nation because one recognizes the physical mortal reality and need for a healthy government that protects freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, freedom of the press, freedom of speech. One does not "pledge" as such to a religion or to G-d. One perhaps commits. Primarily one engages in a personal relationship with G-d. One does not enforce a practice on another. One does not enforce conversion nor submission to a religion, because that is not true faith. That is coercion. One pledges to the flag of the US to remember the big picture - the value of the nation is what makes it possible for all of us to engage in our individual path with faith, with G-d, with conscience. To put a singular church's flag above that of the nation, says that group or person believes that singular religion should be the government, should rule everyone. This is antithetical to the very principle that makes it possible for that religion to be practiced at all. Freedom of religion only exists if it is for everyone.
@hilaryfillmore1406
5 ай бұрын
My Dad flies the Christian flag above his American flag. People have stopped and asked him to switch the flags and he pulls out some speech on how he is a citizen of heaven first or something and talks about how the Christian flag has more authority then the American flag. 🫣
@pamelaadam9207
5 ай бұрын
Only in America never heard the like in Scotland
@caman171
5 ай бұрын
umm the "christian flag" is in presbyterian, methodist, lutheran, southern baptist, nazarene, congregational, and alls sorts of churches not just the IFB
@PreacherBoys
5 ай бұрын
I said that in the video ;)
@1ACL
5 ай бұрын
I'm horrified by this!
@katyhutchinson7013
5 ай бұрын
Yes, I was born into the IFB, and spent 6 out of 7 days at church because that's where the tiny school(if you could call it that) was located. Did the whole PACE thing 😕
@harrybiggmuth2765
5 ай бұрын
Yes, Methodist VBS
@himynameistawny
5 ай бұрын
This is new to me
@roxthepunkcyborg7172
4 ай бұрын
Hi Went to a christian school for 3 years I remember that flag!
@Hope-dr3mf
5 ай бұрын
So you apparently don’t believe in pledging to the American flag either?
@PreacherBoys
5 ай бұрын
I said nowhere in the video whatsoever that I care what people say pledges to if it aligns with their beliefs
@Hope-dr3mf
5 ай бұрын
@@PreacherBoys You don’t have to state that; it’s obvious you’re making a mockery of anyone that does.
@savedbyGrace1234
5 ай бұрын
Hey Eric - I know you are busy but I e mailed you - ☺️
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