It's a bit of a dark implication that Dutch tries to conceal or deter any sort of distractions from his followers' (his sons) loved ones so they aren't even slightly derailed of total commitment to his cause. In the same chapter, he reminds John that the gang always comes first, when he sees that he's bonding with Jack.
@lucasludwig2347
Жыл бұрын
This proves Dutch was a madman from the beginning, and not because of Micah. "I can't fight my own nature. That's the paradox, John. You see?" Dutch Van Der Linde is easily the best written character Rockstar has ever done, and one of the best written characters of videogames as a medium. He's to videogame antagonists what Walter White is to television antagonists: a seemingly good guy, who uses of questionable methods to achieve causes the audience can relate to, but who reveals his true nature as a result of external circumstances.
@themadtitan7603
Жыл бұрын
@lucasludwig2347 Agreed. Or at least his dark side was always there. Just under the surface. To say that he was just this benolvent leader who turned because of Micah is a reduction of his character imo.
@lucasludwig2347
Жыл бұрын
@@themadtitan7603Exactly. Most fans of this game climb to this view, which as you said, is a blatant simplification of his character arc, and a disrespect to the writers in my opinion. That's why I ultimately think that Micah addition to the story was very unnecessary. Having the gang's downfall solely on Dutch's behalf would make his character arc so much more impactful, and that would explain why John blames him for the gang's destruction on the first game, while not making a single mention of Micah. I think the ultimate reason Micah was written as the antagonist is because they had written Dutch's character to be so likeable that the fans would be upset had he been revealed to be the villain.
@senshiserenity7088
Жыл бұрын
@@lucasludwig2347I don't feel like the good in him was fake. His dark side was always there. I just felt like deep down inside that's not the side he wanted to be represented as. We all have a shadow side. And there's always that person that ends up bringing the worst out in us and Micah was just that. The problems that that gang was suffering Micah was the last person Dutch needed in his ear. Micah new in order to get to Dutch he had to poison his mind against his own family. Getting in his ear making him question the Loyalty of his family.
@ArthurMorgan-io4ix
Жыл бұрын
@@lucasludwig2347 There is only one thing and it’s a major cause of Dutch madness is mango 🥭🥭✨
@user-mu8dm4rk7g
5 ай бұрын
Wow, I never even connected the dots, that it was Mary's letter Dutch picked up and read. I thought it was some random paper.
@nobody-yk2hu
5 ай бұрын
The fact that years after this game released we're still finding details is impressive for rockstar one question I have is how does Jack remember his uncle Dutch because In the epilogue of the first game you can hear a conversation about Mr Van Der Linde by some NPC's at a campsite
@_MaZTeR_
27 күн бұрын
@@nobody-yk2hu Years? Oh fuck, this game is 6 years old
@themadtitan7603
Жыл бұрын
I do think it's a bit curious that Dutch didn't show much of a reaction about meeting Evelyn Miller in this scene. Considering how much he venerated him and how he fanboyed over him the night before.
@anakinskinwalker1724
Жыл бұрын
I think Dutch used that as an excuse for his blatantly narcissistic viewpoints
@themadtitan7603
Жыл бұрын
@anakinskinwalker1724 You mean his veneration of Evelyn Miller? I happen to think that Dutch did actually believe in the ideals of a free, savage land that he spouts, and his respect for Miller comes from them sharing a lot of the same ideas for a better America.
@jjm004
Жыл бұрын
@@themadtitan7603he revered the ideas more than he did the man himself
@themadtitan7603
Жыл бұрын
@@jjm004 That'd be understandable but still leaves the way he talks here a bit odd. Again, he was fanboying over Miller the night before and likely preached his values to the gang for years. I imagine meeting him would've been one of his dreams.
@justice_of_Youtube
11 ай бұрын
@@anakinskinwalker1724 everything is "narcissistic" to you dumbass kids
@coldtimber4972
2 ай бұрын
I always assumed that Dutch thought the letter was something relevant to a heist or something, hence his expression of initial confusion, before he realized that the letter was none of his business
@Suffer.FE.17
Ай бұрын
The way he handles the letter after is what’s most important. He could’ve handed Arthur the paper after he read it, or even placed it back down to where it was before, but he tossed it to the side. It could’ve gotten easily lost in the room or destroyed by something outside. Dutch knows what Mary means to Arthur, it’s the same feeling he has for Annabelle, but he fears Arthur’s affection for her would deter him from the gang and simply doesn’t care about the man’s feelings if it isn’t for his cause.
@dennisrapp5733
25 күн бұрын
I don't see Duch as a person who cares about what's his business
@vajkperduk
21 күн бұрын
@@Suffer.FE.17i don’t think agree. Most of the gang members thought Marry was a bad person (which is not true btw) It’s more like he didn’t want to get involved. Just think about it if he really wanted Arthur to not have a personal life with Marry he would’ve told what the others told to Arthur right here just in a more manipulative way.
@Cocksucker7117
19 күн бұрын
@@vajkperdukshe kinda is, she’s no different to Dutch in a way. She didn’t want Arthur and left for another man. Then when her husband died and she was in trouble she manipulated and guilt tripped Arthur into helping her with her problems.
@ShoopityDoopity
24 күн бұрын
“Ohhh AAUUURRTHUR” Dutch: 🤢 *throws it
@simplecapt
12 күн бұрын
“That’s not how you pronounce Orthur🤢”
@shuisei
6 күн бұрын
Dutch cringed
@TheDemonicHorseman
Жыл бұрын
I've never understood why Arthur is not on his bed during this cutscene.
@CDNBreadDogs
Жыл бұрын
Probably the same reason some people choose a couch over their bed; sometimes the bed just doesn't feel as comfy
@ArthurMorgan-io4ix
Жыл бұрын
@@CDNBreadDogs I think someone stole his bed and could only sleep on the couch.
@Scap9311
11 ай бұрын
Wouldn’t be as cinematically appealing
@ArthurMorgan-io4ix
11 ай бұрын
@@Scap9311 Very funny, I think so
@Taystee
11 ай бұрын
Beds feel like marshmallow to folk like him, can’t sleep on them
@stormcloak1822
5 ай бұрын
Lol Arthur is finally on the receiving end of someone being nosey
@JocyChick
Ай бұрын
Dutch did raise Arthur, so...
@stormcloak1822
Ай бұрын
@@JocyChick true but Arthur is a grown man now lol dutch is only being nosey to make sure Arthur isn't getting any ideas of running off
@stormcloak1822
Ай бұрын
@@JocyChick oh but I'm guessing you're implying that he learned that from Dutch lol I misunderstood big time
@JocyChick
29 күн бұрын
@@stormcloak1822 It's all good! lol But yeah, that was my intended joke. 😂
@seemetta9811
Жыл бұрын
JUST ONE LAST SCORE ARTHUR AND WE ARE OUT OF HERE - good ol uncle dutch😇
@blue1133
2 ай бұрын
Goddammit Dutch this is the 9th last score already!
@seemetta9811
2 ай бұрын
@@blue1133 just one more big score and we can leave, travel around the world arthur
@Michael.96
17 күн бұрын
Before the year is out, we'll be harvesting mangos in Tahiti! 🥭🏝
@samusaran1275
26 күн бұрын
I think Dutch just tosses the letter down since it's none of his business and leaves it at that. He doesn't talk to Arthur about it or tell him anything else otherwise
@masemboross4996
17 күн бұрын
Like someone else said. It’s the way he handles the letter that’s important. He could have put it back or handed it to Arthur, but he just tosses it away where it could’ve gotten lost. In this same chapter, he tells John the gang comes first when he sees him finally bonding with Jack
@maverickcrow6252
Ай бұрын
Remember that house Arthur and Javier robbed in chapter 1? They should have hid there. It was easily dependable and had enough room, it was near the train tracks so they had a source of income, it was a little bit back into the cold, but I would expect them to hide there if things went sour
@TraxxasBoy520
25 күн бұрын
That’s chapter 2. I am agree with you on that. That area makes sense to have snow depending on how long they stay there to hide. Dutch wouldn’t lay low because he choose guy that joined 6 months instead of choosing Arthur who was in the gang since it started.
@Davidofthelost
23 күн бұрын
Honestly I think after their trek into the mountains from blackwater authorities might expect them to use the mountains again to cover their tracks so would look around it first for any signs of large caravans moving through.
@josephstalin2606
17 күн бұрын
The problem is that Dutch had no intention of hiding except in Colter
@Rockstardaily
Жыл бұрын
How he just threw it 😂
@badreedinebedro
28 күн бұрын
can Dutch really read or he just act like he’s reading
@Rockstardaily
28 күн бұрын
@@badreedinebedro he does read you can see him quoting lines from books
@badreedinebedro
28 күн бұрын
@@Rockstardaily it’s rude tho to for him to read someone else s letter that’s someone s personal life
@ParrotPentester
27 күн бұрын
@@badreedinebedro That's... the literal point of this scene?
@A.H.goose1
23 күн бұрын
@@badreedinebedro He taught Arthur how to read
@_scyas_1827
Жыл бұрын
Mary Linton or a Nigerian prince requesting Arthur's help ?
@AshwinY
Жыл бұрын
Mary
@miquelsunyerroda9638
11 ай бұрын
AHHAHAHAHAHAHHA
@torherk_185
3 ай бұрын
Tahitian king
@BathSaltShaman
19 күн бұрын
He definitely had a role in Arthur leaving her. Probably why he kept himself distant from his son and baby momma too. If RDR1 Dutch is who he always was deep down, I’d almost be inclined to believe he was the “unknown bandit” that killed them.
@drblood0556
Жыл бұрын
Good video yeah a leader would never want their followers too distracted but hiding letters from loved ones is going too far but if she encouraged arthur to leave the gang or rat this would make sense but she only requested arthur's help saving her father thus further highlighting his paranoia
@justice_of_Youtube
11 ай бұрын
He didn't hide it
@drblood0556
11 ай бұрын
@@justice_of_KZitem Yes but the way he tossed it aside so simply as if he would think Arthur would forget to read it and focus more on what he wanted is what I meant to imply
@justice_of_Youtube
11 ай бұрын
@@drblood0556 arthur has already read it. Plus it might not have been marys letter. It might have been those party letters
@rishitshah4338
4 ай бұрын
In short she was just using him to save her family
@mafmaballs
3 ай бұрын
@@rishitshah4338 Bro How can you say that even after she asked him to run away with her
@teozer3232
11 ай бұрын
Maybe dutch doesnt give a fuck but he knows that if arthur chooses to run away with mary, he has better chance to live a safe and peacefull life, and its tough topic for him so he just threw that shit away
@MissWampire
11 ай бұрын
True ...
@abhirupkundu2778
5 ай бұрын
True tho
@Mr.Pro55k
2 ай бұрын
True
@TheLuuman
25 күн бұрын
Nah running away with mary was never a option, like mentally i mean, we all know it isnt physically possible to. But him being dutchs best enforcer carried weight to it for a long time, the pinkertons top agents knew who he was. Think of what happened to johns family after he killed micah, he coulda let it go but he didnt. Him letting Mary go is what truly gave her a better life, no matter how sad it is he could never run away with her with his reputation. It was always false hope, and good times while they lasted. In the end author was smarter than what people gave him credit for, and if john truly woulda listen to Arthurs truest saying in not giving into revenge and simply let it go then he would have had the future Arthur wanted for himself with mary.
@Ronuk1996
28 күн бұрын
Never paid attention to him picking up the letter let alone it being the one From Mary cool detail.
@jackiesburgersandfries4604
Жыл бұрын
I don't think people understand how important Artoor was to the gang he is involved in every plan dutch does artoor is probably the fastest gun John coming in 2nd and replacing Arthur as the fastest when Arthur dies also dutch probably remembered Mary considering Marys and artoors history wasn't just a fling they genuinely loved each other
@phukkya-fielings
Жыл бұрын
“Artoor” 🤣
@mickeyadaptus2215
11 ай бұрын
@@phukkya-fielings "ARTOOR, HAVE SOME GODDAMN FAITH!!!"
@justice_of_Youtube
11 ай бұрын
John was trash at shooting in 189o
@escob5088
10 ай бұрын
Artoor 💀 lmao
@shinkleihh
5 ай бұрын
kind of a late reply but micah was better than john in rdr2, and john only surpassed both arthur and micah in rdr1
@roger_clay0381
17 күн бұрын
I’ve played 3k-ish hours and never noticed it was Mary’s letter until now. Hard to believe there could ever be a game more detailed than this but here’s hoping.
@ashenking5013
10 ай бұрын
Despite Arthur going along with the Tahiti plan, he was likely planning to part ways with the gang once he knew they would be safe and run off with Mary after the Saint Denis bank heist. As shown if you choose to help Mary with her dad and date her afterwards.
@ArthurMorgan-io4ix
Жыл бұрын
I was curious to know what was written inside the paper that Dutch took.
@morningstar1367
Жыл бұрын
Datch lmao
@Homophobic_racist_sexist_pdf
6 ай бұрын
"Dear Arthur, last night was truly wonderful, I look forward to seeing in that red dress again. Best wishes, Swamp hillbilly"
@kingman-fm4dq
5 ай бұрын
@@Homophobic_racist_sexist_pdf 😂
@gamerstheater1187
26 күн бұрын
you have to read it in order to get a story mission
@maydem
24 күн бұрын
I love Saint Denis chapter so much vibes
@revfivez7069
6 күн бұрын
At least he didn't open it but the way he tossed it aside
@MARYWTHER
Жыл бұрын
Excuse me what the hell I never got this cut scene.
@Nat_onYT
Жыл бұрын
Bro it’s after the Bronte party mission
@kindertak5396
7 ай бұрын
its after the bronte mission if you dont read mary's letter
@thirdhandlv4231
25 күн бұрын
This happens even if you complete her Mission, used MojaveD as a reference point, still the same even tho he did mary's Mission, its just some random letter thats there for no reason lol.
@MAHAMED8321
11 ай бұрын
now is there any changes if Arthur picked the letter before Dutch reads it like that cutscene changes?
@AshwinY
11 ай бұрын
Nah it's same
@robertdevito5001
5 ай бұрын
Arthur: and where is home exactly? Dutch: I don’t know, exactly, but I can smell it. Smells like (deep sniff) *…mangoes*
@christophersconiers4979
Жыл бұрын
What is Arthur sleeping on if he’s not on the bed?
@Enno9
3 ай бұрын
Sacks of corn
@dillanbruess9509
29 күн бұрын
Jelly beans
@belalovell
21 күн бұрын
Arthur should care about Mary more than Dutch
@maxbaker6220
Ай бұрын
It weren’t her letter though cuz I had already picked the letter up before this mission
@somethingorotheridunno
2 ай бұрын
All this time i thought it was one of Arthur's drawings from his journal that didn't turn out good so Arthur took it out because he didn't like it. I thought maybe Dutch's confused looking reaction turning the page around was him thinking "What the hell is that supposed to be?" Lol.
@pauldinnegan218
11 ай бұрын
Wait are you sure that was Mary's letter?cause hers is already on the table across from Arthur in that scence
@AshwinY
11 ай бұрын
Yes it's Mary's letter
@ahmedalanzi.
7 ай бұрын
@@AshwinYi want to know your honor mister 🦌 or 🐺
@xanderlochlanwoolcocks3693
Ай бұрын
least he aint nosy
@nickpettibone
Ай бұрын
Red Dead Redemption 2 should get an update where they actually make it to Tahiti 😂
@TheAbbeyoftheEveryman
Жыл бұрын
I don’t remember this cutscene, does it always play? or only during certain circumstances?
@crescentsister7467
Жыл бұрын
I think it happens just after the mayor's party
@abhirupkundu2778
5 ай бұрын
After bronte mission if u dont pick up mary linton's letter
@dingakakinaja3893
Жыл бұрын
How to meet evelyn miller as john?
@White_lives_matter1488
4 ай бұрын
I met him in the tall tress woods on a cliff if I'm not mistaken it's a great mission, enjoy it
@Cjjk3
2 ай бұрын
@@White_lives_matter1488 what???? i've been in that area so many times and haven't seen that
@_Garskii_
Ай бұрын
??? He doesnt even read it in the video..
@Rocket1.5121
29 күн бұрын
Dutch is the gangs worst enemy but he just won't die. 😡
@OdinTheBruzzer23
5 ай бұрын
I don't see anything with the letter involved 😢
@Teroquix
Жыл бұрын
How thr hell are people this early?
@coxnevin
5 ай бұрын
I don't know
@Just2Fake.
11 ай бұрын
Ytf ppl let the Arthur beard and hair grow up.. just cut it bro cause here he just looks like a hobo (no offense for hobos obviously)
@Warcriminalwastaken
11 ай бұрын
Hobo arthur is funny
@Just2Fake.
11 ай бұрын
@@Warcriminalwastaken yeah but ugly and he looks less badass.. it's one of the best gunslingers not one of the best hobos lmao
@Homophobic_racist_sexist_pdf
6 ай бұрын
Yes we should let a woman tell us how we men should look
@Just2Fake.
6 ай бұрын
@@Homophobic_racist_sexist_pdf lmao i got 5 brothers and i grown up with all of them I KNOW how a man should look like Don’t speak if you don’t know that person, anyway good day, good night and goodbye
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