I know this is an old video. Just to note, the patina finish adds darkness and a dryer sound over a polished version. I own both Tama versions and have made myself both types with aftermarket shells. From what I can figure, the patina lowers the reflection inside. I experimented with a shell and aged the outside leaving the inside polished. Played it and then aged the inside and played it at same tuning and the drum was dryer and darker sounding! Really the only snare anyone would ever need. It's the most versatile shell material in cast form.
@karllager2214
Жыл бұрын
Did you just piece together the hardware?
@DennisLeeflang
Ай бұрын
This is incorrect. The reason your drums sound different is because the shells were somewhat inconsistent and every shell sounds different. This is why the 50th anniversary reissue is rotocast rather than sand cast. Ross Garfield has a large collection of original Tama BB’s and they all sound a bit different, even ones that look identical.
@Camcodrummer
Ай бұрын
@DennisLeeflang The same drum..1980..I have two..came in Old Bell finish 79 to 81. In 82 they polished or more correct sanded them . I have an 82 sanded version. Identical heads, snappy wires and pitches the 82 is different then either patina. There is less reflection in the patina version. Just like if you take a wood shell and paint or better yet. Vibrafibe it. The reflection gives it a sharper attack. Woods are the same way. Built 2 ply shell with bubinga 5 ply oiled inside of one and other got a 4 ply with ebony oiled inside to make it 5ply .the ebony raised the pitch.
@justhadrums
3 жыл бұрын
I love the strainer - that's what makes the difference imo
@chip251
3 жыл бұрын
The low end tuning is sick bro!! Excellent drum.........
@peterhlinka4789
3 жыл бұрын
Definitely. From what I've experienced, massive metal shells (Noble-Cooley, Kepplinger) the sweetspot where low end thwonk and shell resonance bring it in for a hug is like a boulevard long.
@razvanlupu7507
Жыл бұрын
It really rocks.Body,tone,so good in all positions.
@TonyT007
Жыл бұрын
Tama snares from the 80’s to the early 90’s are the best very well made
@cristaples
2 ай бұрын
I just had a savage 14x8 5mm with bell brass hooos arrive today. Incredible. Weighs a bit. 13kg. If it falls off the stand it’ll damage the floor in must pubs.
@BrandonPaluzzi
2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Just.... wow.! Sounds great, Dennis!
@gregchapman3519
3 жыл бұрын
Your mixed drum sound is insane. Great work.
@shawnsdrumcave
2 жыл бұрын
That thing is a beast! Awesome!
@cgdrum
3 жыл бұрын
Cool video Dennis ! A classic snare remade.
@493john
3 жыл бұрын
I just picked up an older Gretsch bell brass with double ended lugs and stop sign badge. Killer snare!
@peterhlinka4789
3 жыл бұрын
Those were so affordable comparatively in the day.
@peterhlinka4789
3 жыл бұрын
I would really like to get your description/photos if possible.
@geertteekens
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, great drum! And great playing too! 😎
@Assimilator702
3 жыл бұрын
Ordering the shell from Duluth who actually make the shells would be the most affordable option for one these drums. Attaching the hardware yourself is no more difficult than changing heads. I want a 14 X 7 3mm thick shell made with cast hoops. That should be a killer drum.
@DennisLeeflang
3 жыл бұрын
Drilling the holes for the extended wire system is pretty complex with zero room for error. 1mm off and the wires won’t sit on the head right. Duluth only offers one standard type of snare bed, which is very different than the original Tama bed. Cade at Savage orders shells with no beds and files the beds himself by hand. It is very unlikely that you’d be able to build a true Tama replica like this yourself unless you have done it before.
@Assimilator702
3 жыл бұрын
@@DennisLeeflang I wouldn't be looking to make a 100% Tama replica as I don't plan on using the extended snare system. I have an 80's Birch snare with the extendef wire system and I prefer to use regular snare wires. I would use the Tama Linear throwoff and buttplate. More than likely Starclassic lugs would be used until I can find some Star single ended lugs. It would basically be a Tama Star Bell Brass if Tama actually made one.
@DennisLeeflang
3 жыл бұрын
@@Assimilator702 A huge part of the Tama bell brass snare drums from the 80's is that extended snare wire system. The typical bark in the lows and width/girth of the sound comes from the fact that there are no snare wire end plates muffling the bottom head. But it will sound great with a regular strainer as well. More focused with slightly less pronounced lows. On the Black Album, Lars Ulrich used a late 80's Tama bell brass with regular strainer. That drum had the exact same hardware set as this drum: reverb.com/item/263099-tama-artwood-birch-snare-6-5x14-aw336-1986-cherry-wine
@Assimilator702
3 жыл бұрын
@@DennisLeeflang I'll have to get a set of extended wires and test it out on my birch snare. I didn't want to use old hardware on my cast bronze build and going with the modern hardware means I can borrow parts from my Tama snares. I have the Gretch 14 X 6.5 Bell Brass and it's an outstanding drum with standard snare wires. That's something to think about so thanks for pointing that out.
@DennisLeeflang
3 жыл бұрын
@@Assimilator702 The Gretsch is fantastic and by far the best option if you can't afford a Tama. It's a different alloy, though. Different edges, different beds. Very different drum, though fantastic in its own right. Another thing that contributes massively to the sound of the older Tamas is the the fact that the hoops are chrome-plated cast zinc and are pretty light. Modern hoops are chrome over steel and much heavier. The zinc hoops sound fatter while still keeping the drum under control.
@joshsherlock2372
3 жыл бұрын
Cade really is a brilliant craftsman.
@robertreedy414
Ай бұрын
Love the brass Snareweight on my bronze 6.5x14
@peterhlinka4789
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for creating this. I've subscribed on it alone. Please consider noting the recording stats, eg: mics, conversion rate, compression ratios, DSP info etc in order to better understand what we're listening to. (excellent job btw recording such a hot spl.)
@DennisLeeflang
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I have it noted for every recording. It can be requested exclusively by patrons at Patreon.com/dennisleeflang
@peterhlinka4789
3 жыл бұрын
@@DennisLeeflang Mighty nice, thnx.
@donwersten3114
3 жыл бұрын
🥁Sounds great my friend 👊
@Captain-Mayday
2 жыл бұрын
This is the iPhone of snare drums. It just works. But damn, the mix is killer.
@natevanslyke7274
3 жыл бұрын
Amazing Drum D ....🤘😎🤘
@jermss_
3 жыл бұрын
fantastic video Dennis! will you make a vid with the 3mm? It would be awesome to hear the differences between the two sizes
@DennisLeeflang
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I don’t own a 3mm but if I ever get one, I definitely will.
@peterhlinka4789
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe the friends you mentioned would oblige to a comparative video...
@DennisLeeflang
3 жыл бұрын
@@peterhlinka4789 I have a 3mm Savage on the way. Comparison video coming as soon as I receive that drum.
@peterhlinka4789
3 жыл бұрын
@@DennisLeeflang Couldn't bear anylonger the arm twisting, eh?
@DennisLeeflang
3 жыл бұрын
😂 If the shoe fits, get it in every color!
@tuslokbaki9579
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds great on all settings imagine this on a 7x14
@thesebarehandsmusic
3 жыл бұрын
Solid sounding snare for sure.
@billyyee1618
3 жыл бұрын
Sounds great, a great throaty tone, hi or low tuning. Love it.
@xxgil2
Жыл бұрын
I just ordered one from Cade because of this video
@JulezNDrumz
10 ай бұрын
It's the Terminator
@BeatsAndMeats
3 жыл бұрын
Dude... That kick sounds UNBELIEVABLE! How did you get that sound? Please tell me everything! Heads, tuning, shell, composition, what you ate for breakfast, etc.
@DennisLeeflang
3 жыл бұрын
Hah! That’s a Q Drum Co. 16x24. Shell is mahogany/poplar/mahogany (with a super thin maple ply in the center) with maple re-rings. Evans EQ4 frosted batter, smooth white EQ3 reso with off-center 5” hole. Packing blanket inside. Shure Beta 52A barely inside the hole and United Studio Technologies UT FET47 a couple of inches off the head, slightly off-center. I believe the 52 went into a CAPI VP26 and the FET47 into a VP25. Inside kick also through a DBX 160XT (4:1, only barely hitting the loudest notes). They each probably also went through an outboard EQ (either a Garash G.TEN or CAPI LC25), probably only taking out some mids and maybe a slight boost in the lows on the FET47. Breakfast… Definitely a cappuccino. Likely a strawberry/banana smoothie ;)
@doublea7054
Жыл бұрын
That sounds killer!
@robertreedy414
Ай бұрын
Stuff of dreams. Worth whatever you paid.
@betulaobscura
3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic sounding snare!
@stanfordkoch1271
3 жыл бұрын
Klinkt lekker Dennis
@ryancarver
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome super cool!
@DRUMAWAYEMAN
3 жыл бұрын
Frick. I want one!
@colmanobrien8185
3 жыл бұрын
Great Video Dennis! Did you purchase that drum shelf behind you, or did you build it yourself? Cheers!
@DennisLeeflang
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I purchased it from IKEA and then built it myself :)
@Lordovhate
2 жыл бұрын
I just bought a new kit, once I replenish the funds, I seriously plan on buying one of these. I've heard this recorded on albums, I've heard it live, and now this video. I am absolutely in love. How long did it take you to receive the drum upon ordering it? I'd expect a little bit of a wait time since there is a lot of hand work involved. Thanks so much for creating this video. Might possibly be the best sounding snare drum I'll ever find.
@DennisLeeflang
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! And my pleasure. I think I waited about 3 months. Might be faster now, might take longer. It depends on whether the foundry that makes the shells is backed up or not. It also depends on hardware. If you want all original Tama hardware like I did, you might have to spend some time finding a clean donor drum first. You’d have to talk to Cade at Savage for all the details.
@treatb09
3 жыл бұрын
nice drum
@tommyleeroth818
Жыл бұрын
Subscribed. Thanks for these videos on the BB snares! I know this is old but I’m getting ready to have a replica made and curious about the alloy. Savage uses B10/12 and I’ve heard Cade actually had an original tama bb tested and it was in that range. However the Tama catalog and several knowledgeable aficionados claim the original 1980 was B20. Just wondering if you got any details about this when getting your drums made? Thanks again!
@DennisLeeflang
Жыл бұрын
I did a comparison video between two of Cade’s replicas and his original Tama on my channel. Bell brass is B20 or something very close to it. The company manufacturing the shells Cade uses analyzed the original Tama alloy and came as close to it as possible. I found that the difference between the Tama and the 3mm replica made by Cade with the exact same vintage Tama hardware is about as much as you would probably get between two original Tamas that have lived in different environments for over 40 years. I personally prefer the 3mm Savage. The Tama had some very slight overtones that I didn’t like and it had a tiny bit less body/low end. If money was no object, I’d still choose a 3mm Savage over an original Tama any day. But the original Tama hardware (rollers and extended wires) is 100% essential
@tommyleeroth818
Жыл бұрын
@@DennisLeeflang Thank you for the quick and detailed reply. I appreciate your first hand impressions of the drums. They do sound very close in the video with the 3mm Savage sounding maybe a little drier to me. I can see the B10 having a little more low end too since it would be just a little softer than the B20. I can get a B20 shell made, but I’ll probably reach out to Cade at this point. I don’t think anyone can beat his knowledge and craftsmanship. He has a great reputation. Thanks again!
@DennisLeeflang
Жыл бұрын
@@tommyleeroth818 You actually got that backwards. B20 means 80% copper and 20% tin. B10 means 90% copper and 10% tin. More tin makes an alloy softer and inherently has lower resonant frequencies. Same as cymbals. Most budget cymbals are made from B8 and sound super bright, while most high-end cymbals are made from B20 because B20 has a more balanced sound. But making cymbals (or anything) from B20 is much more complicated because it’s a softer material, resulting in B20 instruments being more expensive.
@tommyleeroth818
Жыл бұрын
@@DennisLeeflang Okay…I was tracking on the what the numbers meant as far as the ratio of copper to tin, but had the hardness backwards I guess. I thought I had read somewhere that it wasn’t advisable to make snare shells out of B20 because they are more brittle and prone to cracking. But yeah your example of the cymbals is right on. Learn something every day. Thanks so much for taking so much time to help me out! Very awesome and much appreciated!
@chrisroberts68
3 жыл бұрын
Stunning sound and looks!!! What kind of lugs are these, please?
@DennisLeeflang
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! They are vintage Tama coffin lugs. All hardware on the drum is original late 70’s/early 80’s Tama, exactly what a 1980 Tama bell brass would be outfitted with.
@garrettclagett4743
3 жыл бұрын
@@DennisLeeflang the builder finds original Tama hardware for these? Does anyone reproduce this style of strainer?
@DennisLeeflang
3 жыл бұрын
@@garrettclagett4743 No replica hardware is available. You can either find a vintage Tama donor drum yourself and ship the hardware to Savage or you can order the drum with vintage hardware and Savage will track down a donor drum or may already have the needed hardware.
@af7119
2 жыл бұрын
No muffling needed
@krusher74
7 ай бұрын
Was savage's supply of shells/rims coming from deluth (who have cessed production) if you go to their website everything is out of stock?
@DennisLeeflang
7 ай бұрын
Not really my place to give away proprietary information on Savage’s behalf but I can tell you that Savage is still making bell brass snare drums with the same shells :)
@dezleegraham
3 жыл бұрын
The picture that you used at 3:02 , I bet if you zoomed into where the Tama badge is missing, you might be able to guess what the thickness of the shell is since the badges had air vent holes in them.
@DennisLeeflang
3 жыл бұрын
It’s hard to tell in the picture. I’ve zoomed in and studied the pic. Most people insist not a single 5mm shell was ever made by Tama and Ross’ “Terminator” is a 3mm and he exaggerated the weight. Then people claim that the pronounced low end Ross says his “Terminator” has over his other Tama bell brass snares could be because the Terminator has “coffin” lugs and the later 80’s drums have the longer Mastercraft lugs. I’m not sure that little bit of difference in mass and real estate on the shell would make that much difference on a shell that dense and heavy. I also have a Savage Custom Drums 3mm snare with original Tama hardware, including the longer lugs, and the low end is amazing. Lots of myths and guess work around these snare drums. I try to bust some of the myths with a video that going live on May 3rd.
@dezleegraham
3 жыл бұрын
@@DennisLeeflang I wish somebody would measure Ross’s with a caliper and put an end to that discussion because I’m a stickler for details like this. Still, 3mm, 5mm or whatever, they’re all great sounding drums.
@DennisLeeflang
3 жыл бұрын
This is a fact. My video on May 3rd will also show you how little of a difference there is in the sound between the two. Which could confirm the rumor that Tama did initially release a 5mm drum but it was so hard to carry around and the difference in sound with a 3mm was so little that they switched to 3mm. Ross claims his Terminator is a prototype so I’m still thinking it’s not a standard 3mm drum. I might have indirect access Ross’ drum but maybe he also likes to keep the mystery alive and doesn’t want it to be measured ;)
@DennisLeeflang
3 жыл бұрын
Straight from Drum Doctors: Their "Terminator" is a 3mm.
@dezleegraham
3 жыл бұрын
@@DennisLeeflang I emailed them a while back and never heard back. If it’s a 3mm, then I wonder why he claimed it to be nearly 30lbs unless he was just playfully exaggerating. Either way great info man!
@STLAudio
3 ай бұрын
Hey Dennis, what heads are on the drum? It sounds fantastic!
@DennisLeeflang
3 ай бұрын
Thanks! Evans coated G2’s on the toms, frosted EQ4 on the kick. Power Center Reverse Dot on the snare.
@markk7731
2 жыл бұрын
What kind of hi hats are they? They sound great!
@DennisLeeflang
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! 14” Paiste Signature Dark Crisp hats.
@roybeckerman9253
3 жыл бұрын
Love the bass drum sound. What brand and any muffling ?
@DennisLeeflang
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! 16x24 Q Drum Co. mahogany/polar/mahogany with maple re-rings. Evans EQ4 frosted batter and stock single ply reso head with 7” center hole. Packing blanket inside.
@mermerserkan
2 жыл бұрын
whick one you like more now? I remember that you have both 3mm and 5mm
@DennisLeeflang
2 жыл бұрын
I love them both equally. The 5mm is slightly more focused and woody sounding. The 3mm is more open and fatter sounding when tuned low. Both are incredible.
@MM-pd5zi
Жыл бұрын
How did you reduce the shell ringing? Mine rings for days and I don‘t know how to get rid of it…😬 Pls suggestions 🙏
@DennisLeeflang
Жыл бұрын
When the drum is tuned well, the ring is acceptable. I didn’t do anything otherwise. Keep in mind that once you focus on/obsess over that ring, it’ll seem a lot worse than it is. There’s a difference between tone and overtones. A beautiful tone is never a bad thing and should blend into music beautifully without standing out.
@BixbyCrossing
Жыл бұрын
Great video. Any idea what the cost was for the original Tama?
@DennisLeeflang
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Not sure how much the Tama was when purchased new in the 80’s but if you can find one today it’ll be upwards of $5k. By now it’s pretty clear, though, that only 3mm shells were ever produced by Tama. So this replica isn’t accurate. But still awesome. I do also have a 3mm Savage replica. I did another video comparing the two to an original Tama.
@garthgundy
Жыл бұрын
Could Terminator be a prototype?
@LeviathanDW87
2 жыл бұрын
Love the sound man. How did you tune your snare?
@DennisLeeflang
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Bottom is table top tight, top is medium.
@tamabasher
3 жыл бұрын
My 1986 BB weighs 20 pounds 💪🏻
@DennisLeeflang
3 жыл бұрын
A 1986 will be a 3mm for sure and should be 16.8lbs if I’m not mistaken. Unless maybe you have cast bronze hoops on it as well.
@dezleegraham
3 жыл бұрын
Is the shell slightly oversized like the original as well?
@DennisLeeflang
3 жыл бұрын
It’s not. I have an original Tama on loan at my studio and it really isn’t very oversized. Tiny little bit wider than the Savage but it makes no difference in sound at all. Keep an eye out for my comparison video going live on May 3rd. Purpose of that video is to take away any type of myths about the Tama vs a current bell brass drums made of the same alloy with the same dimensions and edges.
@pacificdrumma
3 жыл бұрын
Do you know where those snare wires came from? It seems like the oversized wires are hard to find
@DennisLeeflang
3 жыл бұрын
Plain 16” wires from DrumFactoryDirect.com. 100% perfect. People seem to have been making that more difficult than it has to be :)
@pacificdrumma
3 жыл бұрын
@@DennisLeeflang awesome! I’m looking to build a DIY bell brass, and it looks like I can run a gen 1 Pearl Free Floater throwoff to mimic the Tama one
@DennisLeeflang
3 жыл бұрын
Possibly. In that case you’ll want to use the Puresound free floater replacement wires.
@pacificdrumma
3 жыл бұрын
@@DennisLeeflang did Savage source the throw off on your drum or did you buy it yourself?
@DennisLeeflang
3 жыл бұрын
@@pacificdrumma For the drum in this video, Savage tracked down a donor drum. For the 3mm drum I got more recently, I found a donor drum myself and shipped the parts over to Savage.
@rapidohernandez
3 жыл бұрын
Hello, which head are you using on it?
@DennisLeeflang
3 жыл бұрын
Evans Power Center Reverse Dot and the stock Remo Ambassador Snare (Hazy) that came with the drum.
@rapidohernandez
3 жыл бұрын
@@DennisLeeflang thanks!
@Carrascoza
3 жыл бұрын
That's the one that was listed on a while a go?, same specs as the old Terminator. Awesome!!!, too much for my wallet😢
@roybeckerman9253
3 жыл бұрын
Do you have a bronze snare to demonstrate..?
@DennisLeeflang
3 жыл бұрын
This is a bronze snare... “Bell brass” is just another word for bronze.
@peterhlinka4789
3 жыл бұрын
@@DennisLeeflang 'Phosphor Bronze' as the foundrys/mills know it as, correct?
@Assimilator702
3 жыл бұрын
@@peterhlinka4789 Phospor Bronze is a different alloy than a regular Bronze Copper/tin alloy. Look at the newer Gretch Cast shells. They offer a "Bell Brass" and Phospor Bronze drums.
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