Hello! 24:00 thank's for mentioning! At the moment I'm working on a video about UI and capabilities of the decoder. I've might add that the capture itself is not required to be very high quality. It will work even with crappy USB dongles and low-quality decks with unstable drum speed or low-bandwidth signal path. The main issue is, as you mentioned at 24:40, most of video capture devices can not capture inactive region and ~20 lines (per field) of PCM at the top of the frame will be lost. But it is not as bad as you can imagine. STC-007/PCM-F1 have error correction codes built-in and allow up to 16 (PCM-F1) or 32 (STC-007) consequtive lines to be damaged/lost in a span of 128 lines and then it will be fully recovered into original samples. It means that NTSC recordings should be fully recoverable and PAL STC-007 recordings should also be fully recoverable. Only PAL PCM-F1 ones will have problems with too many missing lines. For others if tape and VTR are in good working order then decoding should be errorless. Also, there is some capture hardware that can capture inactive region as well. Some old Magewell and Matrox cards should do that I think. So "full-frame" capture is possible and software decoder will not have a disadvantage of missing lines of data. PCM-1600/1610/1630 and PCM-1 decoding now is also available but that is still in testing mode because I don't have many captures to test my decoder on. One thing that software decoder provides (what hardware one does not) is counters for how many samples were actually lost/damaged/interpolated during the process. So you can be aware if there were any issues during the capture.
@JacGoudsmit
Жыл бұрын
Digital audio on video tape has always been one of my favorite topics. Thanks for posting!
@fagear
Жыл бұрын
13:10 - I don't know PCM-1630 internal structure and schematics, but based on my knowledge of STC-007 decoders and PCM-1600 format specs I think that this board converts from analog video to the digital audio bitstream. It seems like top right part of the board works with video and binarizes it into stream of 1's and 0's. After that bottom half of the board captures words like "left audio sample, "right audio sample", "parity word", "CRC word" from the stream, stores those into single-frame memory buffer and then deinterleaves data and corrects any errors that it had found. Output should be just audio bitstream that could be routed to SDIF/SPDIF/DAC/whatever. So for you purposes this one board is really the one you really DO NEED. PCM-16x0 doesn't use any visual markers (as STC-007 does) to align data horizontally, so it should rely on precision of a VTR and some internal fixed timing that tells this board when to sample each of 193 bits in the video line. And my thought are that that timing is what is off on this board (can those trimmers on the PCB be for that?..), so entire line virtually shifts to the side and data gets screwed. Or, maybe, frame buffer RAM gone bad and damages data before it gets deinterleaved.
@fagear
Жыл бұрын
Update. I've checked manual on PCM-1630 and yes DEC-15 board does exactly what I though - it converts analog video into digital audio bitstream. Those trimmers are in the video part but those have nothing to do with timing, those set video sync and data separation levels for binarization. Probably should be verified with an oscilloscope anyway. There also SW3 dip switches that should be set to ON-ON-OFF-OFF (1...4) and manual says that those are for factory testing and should not be altered. Big square ICs are CX23071 (Decoder-A) and CX23073A (Data separator). Also there are DIPs CX23072 (Decoder-B), CX23074 (Sync separator) and HM6148 (Static RAM). Sync and data separators handle video input and produce timing signals for bit extraction. Decoder-A checks for CRCs and interfaces with SRAM for the frame buffer, Decoder-B handles parity checks, error correction and muting.
@ZacabebOTG
Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: In the video for Dire Straits' Money for Nothing, there's PCM audio off a U-matic tape used as static on the video wall.
@video99couk
Жыл бұрын
Here it is: kzitem.info/news/bejne/zXd6nIOYoml0lJw
@Super8Rescue
Жыл бұрын
This is probably one of my favorite videos. I was around in radio studios when CD's arrived so I was aware of what it took to make them, but never had the chance to see these amazing machines, I knew they existed. Thank you for that delve in to the chips. I quite like the wire mod, it worked even tho it didn't meet with your approval :) they did what they had to do... Thanks for this, most enjoyable.
@1lennetje
Жыл бұрын
The PCM 100 (and also the PCM 10) uses the STC007 standard, so NTSC 44.056 kHz sampling rate. I have a betamax tape with a recording made on a PCM 10 and it is fully compatible with the F1/701/601/501, and of course 14 bit and NTSC formatted. Interesting subject!
@VCD-Channel
Жыл бұрын
I have a PCM-10. Сonfirm your words.
@1lennetje
Жыл бұрын
@@VCD-Channel Hello VCD, I have seen your very interesting website with the development of a PCM processor based on the PCM 10. I hope that one day I can order such a processor from you :). I still have the PCM 10, although it does not function properly. I had the PCM 100, but sold it again, as did the 1610 and 1630. I didn't have enough room for it and I'm still sorry I sold it. In a corner is a Sony PCM 85, which I can't find anything about on the internet. Maybe someone here knows more about it. My interest in PCM dates back to 1987, when I bought my first modified 501. Many followed. The modified ones are especially interesting, such as those from Audio+Design and RTW. There seem to have been more variants. Sorry for straying from this topic. Kind regards, Lennard
@northernplacecorporation
Жыл бұрын
Here is how you prounounce Mr. Fagear's name. It's Maksim "Kryuckov".
@PhilipvanderMatten
Жыл бұрын
I'm only a few minutes into this video, but I know it is going to be a very, very, very interesting video!! Just my piece of cake.
@retro-reels5652
Жыл бұрын
As you know, the pcm u-matic format was used to make master tapes to send to the pressing plant to make a glass master. It’s possible the odd box you have, came from a pressing plant perhaps. My dad worked extensively with this format, and dropouts were a huge problem, triggering the CRC. There is no dropout compensation, so this is where the RAR functionality is useful. The DMR-2000 was primarily used to make recordings and the DMR-4000 to playback One thing the DMR-4000 has, which the standard BVU-800 doesn’t, is an automatic head cleaner, which helps reduce clogging. I also have a PCM-1630/DMR-4000 setup and the AES option, which I’ve never been able to get to work (a rainy day project). I also have the course notes for the DMR-4000, as well as a rare product brochure, which I must get scanned.
@jkmac625
Жыл бұрын
I remember a rack mounted Studer/ReVox CD player that had separate digital outputs for left and right and I'm sure it also had a word clock output, so maybe that used this SDIF format too. Most professional equipment I've come across have the standard AES/EBU XLR (or BNC) sockets which carry a single stereo pair, so this CD player was odd having independent left and right channels.
@video99couk
Жыл бұрын
Yes it mighty have been SDIF.
@alexanderhunter2982
Жыл бұрын
Awesome machines and as usual great video. Keep up the great work 👍👍
@sukandar.santoso
Жыл бұрын
Awesome machines and as usual great video. Keep up the great work
@altebander2767
Жыл бұрын
Actually there were some early digital audio systems that used minicomputers (think PDP-11) to actually store digital audio data. However that was _really_ expensive and thus only used for editing. Recording it onto conventional cheap U-Matic or even Beta tapes with cheap recorders was much more practical. Remember that U-Matic recorders were as cheap as cars even back in the 1970s.
@SO_DIGITAL
Жыл бұрын
Been working on my own version using dsPIC33.
@nostalgoteket.tvogradioark1494
Жыл бұрын
Sony Umatic as "Digital" in the BVU series. I haven't seen that before. But a nice setup you have and exciting to follow your channel
@Toymortal
Жыл бұрын
For a while I owned the 4000 model umatic, which actually came from a mastering house called The Exchange. Unfortunately I didn't have the decoders and couldn't find any, so I sold the unit in the end.
@zx8401ztv
Жыл бұрын
Maybe you can borrow a heat camera and point it at the bad pcb then the good pcb to see if one i.c is consuming more power than it should and getting slightly warmer than the otherpcb. I would of blamed the supply capacitors to, noise free supplies are a must. Sorry i know bugger all about decoders.
@video99couk
Жыл бұрын
I asked Santa for a FLIR but he said they are too expensive...
@timf-tinkering
Жыл бұрын
Yet another very interesting video - thank you! I am curious to know what the extra little "daughterboard" is actually for on that decoder board.
@video99couk
Жыл бұрын
Really don't know. It will be documented somewhere with Sony.
@Capturing-Memories
Жыл бұрын
It will be interesting to see a software recovery in a computer using one of the later models uMatic machines with built in TBC card, Software methods came a long way and they are more flexible in terms of options and settings, and don't worry no one is going to put you out of business, Very few people own and know how to repair uMatic machines or any vintage of piece of gear for that matters. For capture cards, I think for PAL is not an issue, For NTSC capture cards capable of doing 486 lines should capture the entire PCM frame. I will ask the vhs-decode team to see if they can work on a PCM plugin since the hardware is capable of capturing full frames 625/525 lines.
@160rpm
Жыл бұрын
It looked like when you had the original decoder board in, both A and B lights were on, but when you changed to the Known Good, only A was on again
@video99couk
Жыл бұрын
Yet RAR was on, so it must have been working on both channels. Strange.
@TTVEaGMXde
Жыл бұрын
I have 9 hits on the subject of 88.2 Khz at Qwant. If there is 4 channel software for 88.2 kHz (SRC+Mix), you can convert the stereo tracks to 88.2 kHz and make a copy. Move tracks 1+2 one sample back, leave the copied stereo tracks 3+4, and downmix tracks 1+4 to 44.1 Khz stereo. Software may search someone with better knowledge of English.
@160rpm
Жыл бұрын
So, they added that extra chip as a sort of latch to make the VU meters hold the last value? I guess someone wanted that feature for some reason
@video99couk
Жыл бұрын
You think so? I suspect it was a fault.
@daveturner2484
Жыл бұрын
Is there any value in a 1630/dmr4000/2000/dta setup?...asking for a friend. thanks
@video99couk
Жыл бұрын
Oh yes, these systems in good working order are valuable. Hard to put a price on it, but a good system might be worth over £500.
@bobsbits5357
Жыл бұрын
hi you are right the cost of keep this gear running is very high why in the past i have keep away i only buy some gear you keep going on about I HAVE I HAVE all the time i have said in my old channel just ask do i have this formats i am getting gov backing so i could start up again love your video's space and money 13gb a hour is very high i been using 4gb a hour for 12 years can't go to HD the monitor i have plays up i have to cut corners
@yiqinglou1488
Жыл бұрын
Hi, I wanna shop a 1610 or 1630, could you tell me how I can find them ?
@video99couk
Жыл бұрын
Very hard to find, especially the 1630 with all the options installed. I have a 1610 that I'm not using, but not sure I really want to part with it.
@stephan.scharf
Жыл бұрын
It's definitely a modified BVU800
@video99couk
Жыл бұрын
Yes, very similar mechanism. It has the same design fault too: If a tape is sticky and grabs hold of one of the guide posts during unlace, then the mechanism for the post placement can get on the wrong side of another lever and jams up the loading ring properly.
@160rpm
Жыл бұрын
What was the idea of using "Emphasis" on digital formats?
@xaverlustig3581
Жыл бұрын
Noise reduction akin to Dolby on analogue tape. Of course it's pointless on a format that has 96 dB DR to begin with and causes compatibility issues, but that was the idea.
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