I’ve just joined the online Diplomacy community, and I’m absolutely terrible, but these videos are a godsend. This series is especially useful, but all of your Diplomacy videos have been helpful to me. They’re smart, concise, entertaining, packed with information yet easy to digest. I truly can’t thank you enough.
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate you taking the time to let me know. I definitely spend a lot of time crafting and creating them so it's great to know they're helpful and useful. It's really an amazing game.
@Xaverious23
3 жыл бұрын
hey, i wanna start this game, any tips how and where?
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
@@Xaverious23 You can get started on backstabbr.com . We're just finishing up a How to Play. It should be out within the week. It will be a great resource to get you started with the backstabbr interface. If you want to join the Diplomacy community on Discord, here is an invite: discord.gg/wRDVQtBRNz It will give you all the news on tournaments and everything going on in the hobby. Welcome to the hobby!
@Xaverious23
3 жыл бұрын
@@LegendaryTactics Thank you for the fast reply:) i dont have discord, but i will try backstabbr. i heard about this game about 20 years ago, but never touched it, well i guess now would be a good opportunity. have a nice day!
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
@@Xaverious23 It's a great game, but not for the soft of heart. Best of luck and let us know if you need any help acclimatizing to the game. If you check out our diplomacy playlist, I made a video called 13 tips for beginners to help you get started.
@tomau3946
2 жыл бұрын
I consider Russia a VERY relevant power to talk to for Italy, because this affects both Austria and Turkey. If forced to "skip" one, my choice would be England, but Chris is right; Italy needs to talk to everyone (because it is a "central" power).
@jjakjjak5231
3 жыл бұрын
The guest seems like a wonderful player to play the game with.
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
He's a classy guy for sure.
@MrZauberelefant
3 жыл бұрын
@@LegendaryTactics He also won with Italy, so that's gonna get interesting
@stevenshukenmusic2319
13 күн бұрын
That’s why he’s a world champion :) likeable people do well in this game!
@jamesmcclure6191
3 жыл бұрын
Rule #1, for every country, should be: "Talk to everyone, every turn." Anyone you don't speak with is going to assume you are hostile and will treat you with hostility. Yes, having a plan and committing are important, but the game is all about communication and it you aren't communicating you are likely losing.
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
The power of persuasion is so critical in this game.
@Bodhran67
Жыл бұрын
I only ever played five or six games, back in the early eighties. My only win was as Italy. Granted, we were all pretty much rookies at the game. But even that way, I feel like playing Italy is extremely rewarding as you can both downplay your importance as a threat quite easily, and at the same time present yourself as a valuable ally for almost all players. You are like that kid in the schoolyard who never starts a game but always gets invited in one of the teams when things are getting serious. And it is from that position that you can start calling the shots.
@bcpravel
3 жыл бұрын
Another fantastic interview with another world class player! I think my main takeaway from this video was to keep a close eye on Munich when on a table with Chris Brand. 😂
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
Better watch Trieste, Greece, Marseilles, and basically every Mediterranean dot too.
@detectivedan1248
3 жыл бұрын
I am absolutely loving the series so far. Your Austria video was how I found your channel, which was extremely convenient because I just started up a diplomacy game around the same time playing as Austria. There's a lot of insight from the people who play these nations, and you do an extremely good job of interviewing them.I can't wait until the series is complete, because then I can share it with my friends and we can all benefit from the insight from playing each individual nation.
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your kind words. That makes two of us who are benefitting. I like playing devil's advocate in these interviews so I can find out which of my strategies to continue and which ones are largely ineffective. I hope I can get the England video done in the next 2 - 3 weeks. I have another all star player, with tons of Diplomacy cred, for that one. England is my favourite nation to play.
@detectivedan1248
3 жыл бұрын
@@LegendaryTactics I don't get to play too often. I'm on my fourth game in maybe five years or so. Three of those games I ended up playing as italy, and I'm still playing the Austria game right now. I hope that as my friends and I continue this game we realize we are going to want to keep playing and try out different tactics with different nations.
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
@@detectivedan1248 But now you have the tools to destroy your casual gaming friends. Happy conquests!
@kustraja314
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed - this series is really insightful. I'm starting a game shortly with friends and this is the exact background info I need! Thanks for putting this together!
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
@@kustraja314 I'm so glad to hear that there are so many players coming to the hobby (and sometimes just returning to it after a long absence).
@jbmnd93
3 жыл бұрын
Nice video. As Italy I like playing a Carpathian Hook trucking armies through Tyr, Boh, Gal with the goal of getting at Turkey through Rumania. It's more fun to get in the mix than wait around. Turkey is Italy's real arch rival. Italy has surplus armies to start. Tyr-Boh-Gal are usually ignored and an empty corridor in the first turns. Soothe Austria when they freak. Prove to Austria by continuing through. Wedge into the battle, hollow out Turkey from north and south and hedgehog yourself into Turkey's corner. Nutcrack Austria or take Turkey's place and combine with Austria against Russia. If the Carpathian Hook goes sideways half-way through pick a new side and mercenary it. Someone's going to want to hire you.
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
It sounds like you've played a lot of Diplomacy. Did you name this maneuver yourself? These are great ideas.
@adrianpilcher703
3 жыл бұрын
Living in Italy, I seem to get lumbered with it quite often. However, it is certainly not the lost cause it seems at first. Definitely agree the decisive plan rather than flip flopping east and west is key.
@lianacondor
2 ай бұрын
I'm currently on my first game of Diplomacy and I drew Italy. It's 1909 (3 months of real play time now) and I'm now the leader of the pack, 5 dots away to doing the solo. This video has been so helpful! I may not manage it, but it has been so much fun.
@LegendaryTactics
Ай бұрын
Congrats! That's quite a feat! The hard part is closing the deal now that the whole world sees what you're up to...
@theodoreandrews4961
3 жыл бұрын
I have been waiting for this. Thanks again!
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
I really needed these tips too. I realized that I was playing Italy much too passively.
@bradmenpes809
3 ай бұрын
Really great video. I've recently joined Backstabbr - like literally a day or two ago - and I drew Italy in the first two games I've ever played on the site. Italy, up until now, has filled me with dread. One game is a Gunboat, the other is a speed run that starts in about 14 hours. Using the advice Chris gives about opening moves, and being decisive, I gained three builds at the end of 01 - MUN, TRI, and TUN. Three builds as Italy after the first year!! Be still my beating heart!! So I've got six units at the beginning of 02. I might have painted a target on my back, but I'm not going to die wondering (another wonderful piece of advice from Chris).
@MichaelOfficial_
Жыл бұрын
thank you for the good advice Thom Yorke
@LegendaryTactics
Жыл бұрын
The resemblance is uncanny, now that you mention it.
@michaelwalsh564
3 жыл бұрын
These specific country videos with experts are great!
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
I feel like it breathes some new life or approaches into these nations. At least for me, it does.
@bobhowat640
3 жыл бұрын
Diplomacy is such a good game because it's so unpredictable. I like how Chris recognises this and doesn't claim to know it all even though he's a top top player. Most of his advice comes with the caveat: but this could easily backfire.
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
You're right. To an outsider, the game seems very linear, but to an experienced player, there's a ton of variability because of players' unpredictability.
@MJ-km2ju
3 жыл бұрын
Also, I think there's a more objective way to determine the balance of tactics vs diplomacy for any given nation. Compare the win ratio between diplomacy and the gunboat variant.
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
Ooo, I wonder if anyone's done research on that?
@MJ-km2ju
3 жыл бұрын
@@LegendaryTactics not sure where such data is even being collected.
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
@@MJ-km2ju I would bet that backstabbr likely has this information archived.
@DiploStrats
3 жыл бұрын
No Key Lepanto discussion? :( But anyway, great interview throughout. You really are getting the best of the best on for this series!
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
We could likely do a whole video on all the Lepanto variations and counters. I thought I'd keep this one a little more streamlined.
@stevecooley3955
3 жыл бұрын
And . . . good luck getting someone to agree to Key Lepanto. It happens, but not very often.
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
@@stevecooley3955 It happened in my Liberty Cup game. I countered with Bul to Ser and destroyed Italy's relationship with Austria permanently.
@stevecooley3955
3 жыл бұрын
@@LegendaryTactics That's one of many reasons it's rare. Turkey has nothing to lose 95% of the time with Bul-Ser.
@robhou5353
3 жыл бұрын
The most daring and most beautiful gambit opening move in Diplomacy 'HANDS DOWN'!
@ianschaeferlorenz5691
3 жыл бұрын
These videos are fantastic! You do an excellent job of interviewing and putting the videos together. Please keep this series going!
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
Will do! You helped hit the "like" goal in a few hours, so I started the England script tonight.
@stevecooley3955
3 жыл бұрын
Well done! And, Chris Brand! The man who had the champion's robe!
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
I need to get one of those. Limited opportunities to wear it I'm sure, but really cool when you do.
@stevecooley3955
3 жыл бұрын
@@LegendaryTactics I'm gonna have to settle for my 2019 NADF champion plaque, unless I buy something to commemorate the moment.
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
@@stevecooley3955Hook that on a great big gold chain and wear it to your next FTF!
@nomirrors3552
3 жыл бұрын
Rather than asking for the ranking of Diplomacy, Tactics, and Strategy, why not ask how important these are *relative* to other nations. For example I would say Diplomacy is more important to Austria and Germany than to Italy, Tactics are more important to Germany. Ranking the nations by each would be more helpful to me than ranking them to each other. Great work on this series, I love the ideas these players are dishing out.
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
I agree. I think I came to that same realization in the middle of the interview. I would actually argue that your strategy is more important for Italy than for any other nation. Without a decisive plan, the rest will be ineffective. Italy really only has Tunis as the obvious opening move. After that, it's your planning that carries the day.
@nomirrors3552
3 жыл бұрын
@@LegendaryTactics Yes, I would say that the Strategy for Italy is more important than most other nations, with perhaps Russia being nearly as reliant on early Strategic decisions.
@wulumgames
3 жыл бұрын
Pretty cool. Thanks for inviting me to this channel.
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
Glad to have you on board.
@rexphillips-dibb1823
3 жыл бұрын
Loved the video! I've always been a big fan of playing as Italy.
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
For some reason, I'm now hopeful that I draw Italy in my next game.
@Rakkeyal
3 жыл бұрын
This was a really good discussion. I've learned a lot from this.
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment.
@sambutton8494
Жыл бұрын
What the best way for Italy to deal with a Russia Turkey alliance? Especially in a post-Austria world
@LegendaryTactics
Жыл бұрын
If you're up against a Juggernaut, unite the rest of the board against them. They are a real threat, so convince the board to suppress them.
@flynnstone3133
3 жыл бұрын
These are always a joy to watch! Thanks!
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
No problem. Glad you enjoy them.
@JustAllinOneResource
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Legendary. Liked, and Shared.
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@MidnightCarp
3 жыл бұрын
Fabulous video - now for the others!
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
I hope you enjoy them! Is that Lady Razor (Diplomacy cartoonist) art for your icon? It looks like his style.
@malibelizec2543
3 жыл бұрын
Great video
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the visit
@confused4971
3 жыл бұрын
Mussolini lost WW2 because he did not have Chris Brand as an advisor
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
Lol. Best comment ever.
@thebakerofbananabread3237
3 жыл бұрын
Moar! MOAR!
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
On the way this week!
@Pendragondnd
3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to hear more about how to get information out of other players? Are there any leading questions that can be used to figure out what a player is thinking, if they aren't interested in sharing as much as you'd like? How much of your own plans should you be sharing with other players?
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
This is a wonderful question and one that I don't think I can answer in a single paragraph. This might require a video essay to properly answer. Briefly though, I only share the part of my orders that my ally needs to know. I'll never give them my full order set because it's too easy for them to work against me by leaking parts of my plan to our opponents. That's called a soft stab. Your ally may not want you to grow because they may be preparing to stab you from behind.
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
I do find that direct questioning can reveal a lot. A lot of players don't like openly lying to you, so they'll either answer you, you'll get a cryptic response, or you won't hear back from them at all. All three responses give you more information then is contained in the response, especially if you compare the response to their eventual orders. When it's a simple question like "what unit are you going to build", there isn't a huge gain for players to lie to you because it could cost them your trust. But from that, you get insight into what direction they are going next or what their big plan might be.
@Pendragondnd
3 жыл бұрын
@@LegendaryTactics Thanks!
@MJ-km2ju
3 жыл бұрын
If I'm Italy I'll try to convince players that we don't want to see another juggernaut forming. So I ask France to stay neutral and I try to get Austria to be aggressive towards Turkey with me. The hard part I find is that I don't feel players think Italy is a must to negotiate with. No one cares if Italy falls fast.
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
Your instincts are very much in line with Chris' approach. As Italy then, you need to find ways to make yourself a relevant part of the conversation.
@AI-cp1jg
Жыл бұрын
England/France is probably the easiest combo followed by Russia/Turkey. In my experience it's tough to win as any of the central powers.
@LegendaryTactics
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. But if the players at the board are aware of that, they can team up to take them down.
@Exmachina223
2 ай бұрын
What are you supposed to do when France starts building Fleets after a peaceful treaty
@LegendaryTactics
2 ай бұрын
It depends is they're in the north or the south!
@Exmachina223
2 ай бұрын
@@LegendaryTactics let's say South.
@danielcorrigan8805
3 жыл бұрын
My last game, Austria and France attacked right off the start :(
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
Ouch. I guess you can't win them all.
@c4ndl326
2 ай бұрын
what about a T-A alliance? i'm currently playing a game where it's looking very possible
@LegendaryTactics
2 ай бұрын
Better play nice with Russia! You will need them!
@DaveSCameron
2 жыл бұрын
players indeed
@Adama.1
3 жыл бұрын
I can't tell if this is a real game or something akin to TierZoo
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
It is indeed a real game. Diplomacy is a great game that has been around since 1959. But if there were a tier list for each of the 7 nations in Diplomacy, Italy would be right at the bottom.
@roowco1
3 жыл бұрын
what is a dmz?
@LegendaryTactics
3 жыл бұрын
It's a de-militarized zone. So in Diplomacy, it's an area that both powers agree not to move into. Thanks for the question. I should have put that onscreen.
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