the shift in tone from the somewhat silly dressed leader to a COLD BLOODED KILLER sent shivers through my being. absolutely harsh yet brilliant scene
@Plinian5850
7 ай бұрын
The craziest part about this whole interaction is that at first glance, one's first instinct is to pass this off as the writers foregoing any realism and playing up the cold indifference of the soldier, which makes sense, as it's a bit difficult to imagine someone so capable to be so monstrous. The thing is, there's plenty of interviews out there of old retired veterans from different countries recounting similarly horrific stories with the same kind of nostalgic longing and sadistic pleasure. A lot of these men wouldn't strike you as the type to have done such things, but knowing that someone so unassuming could be capable of those levels of violence is horrific to say the least.
@jackt4595
4 ай бұрын
Read on Siegfried Müller,this men exist and are horrifying as hell
@isupposethisismynmw640
Жыл бұрын
‘The mask is getting sweaty’. . Just connected that with the events of the tribunal. "It was real, I'd seen it. I'd seen it in reality." "Seen what?" "The mask of humanity fall from capital. It has to take it off to kill everyone -- everything you love; all the hope and tenderness in the world. It has to take it off; just for one second. To do the deed. And then you see it. As it strangles and beats your friends to death...the sweetest, most courageous people in the world," he's silent for a second. "You see the fear and power in its eyes. Then you know. . The bourgeois are not human.”
@Xander77Ru
Жыл бұрын
Hmm. A lot of the game is about pretense and what is or isn't real beneath the mask you're showing the world. But if these are actually the only times the word "mask" is used explicitly, then that's a fairly good point.
@isupposethisismynmw640
Жыл бұрын
I mean even beyond that the two feel very connected to me. The facade the Scab Leader puts up to hide his monstrousness, the fact that they’re literally instruments of capital sent to break a labor movement, the murder of The Deserters friends as paralleled by the death of the Hardie boys, etc.
@HellishSpoon
Жыл бұрын
"the mask of humanity fall from capital, it has to take it off to kill every one, every thing you love, all the hope and tenderness in the world, it has to take it off for just a second to do the deed"
@minervaselysium137
Жыл бұрын
The old man was sort of right for the wrong reasons. He didnt see lely for the monster he was, he was only jealous for Klassje but his sour view fixated on a generalization and....it was correct. The devil knows more from being old than for being the devil....(spanish proverb).
@ImVeryOriginal
5 ай бұрын
@@minervaselysium137 No, he also had correct reasons. Being a communist means you fully understand how groups like this operate, who they work for, and what kind of shit gets swept under the rug. His jelaousy over Klaasje is just an extra factor.
@gymbmymb3465
5 ай бұрын
Man you silly ass communists really did miss what joyce said about infra cultures, even a nationalist communist uprising is an infraculture to the international community. It's always been like this, the "capital" was around in rome, in mesopotamia, in egypt and sumeria. It's a good thing, typically, to have some national blood shed from time to time, to shake off the isolationism and update them to modernity. But if you genuinely think your "community" and it's needs and wants will outweigh the international "community" and it's needs and wants you are in for a eternally perpetual rude awakening. (spoiler alert, it always fails for a reason, it only serves to strip cultural identity away and serve it up to the internationale clique. Thanks for being critical of your culture.)
@virtualinsanity7791
Жыл бұрын
Nah this one really turns my stomach. I'm Indonesian (Basically Semenese in the game) and he's Oranjese (Basically Dutch in the game). The way his story parallels with our history makes me feel horrible.
@ardibetrayal3493
Жыл бұрын
Well i never heard Dutche's attrocaties other than slavery and starved people to death in our country it seems like you know more @VirtualInsanity77
@Stevrovich
Жыл бұрын
@@ardibetrayal3493 When WW2 was over. When the boot was out of the neck of orange, I guess some heads had hopes it'd be business as usual. Our country wasn't even properly rebuilt yet, and already boats set off in 1945 to get infantry back on the ground in India. Y'see the rest of the allies had been... holding it down for us. The netherlands was still an empire right? Rightfull clay and all? Fucking disgusting man, everyone had learned what it was like to have foreign soldiers come and ruin your country, and not even before the war was over were we ready to get right back too it. 1945 to 1949, theres still men alive who came back from fighting there, but unlike any other veteran you'll never hear them say it. Its our Vietnam. Nobody talks about it.
@Stevrovich
Жыл бұрын
I cant decide whats more twisted about it, the lives lost there or the fucked up logic driving it. Too any sane individual there was no physical way any orange was gunna be flying over Djakarta. But the great heads decided that no matter how trampled down the ruins of Rotterdam, Batavia was still Batavia. I'm sure the hypocrisy wasnt lost on the allies. Bleeding shame, thats I'll I can add
@olipoi8218
7 ай бұрын
I think Semenese is more like Africa with its colonization, and Samara is closer to around east and southeast Asia, which includes Indonesia. This is backed up by the old washer woman in the coastal village singing the song "Suliram"which is from Indonesia
@silverphoenix4934
6 ай бұрын
@@olipoi8218the point he is making is that the experience is almost universal. Where the oppressors sent their army these things always happened.
@Komnen0s
2 жыл бұрын
I didn't discover this interaction until my second run, but once I did I felt 0 sympathy for Lely whenever I heard about the more tragic parts of his backstory. He was more high-functioning than Korty and the other mercs but he was just as much of a despicable monster as the rest of them. He deserved to get merced even if Iosef was doing it for selfish and unwholesome reasons.
@vincegalila7211
2 жыл бұрын
Though he was (to my understanding) the only thing preventing the Mercs from doing something like the Tribunal. So the Union people ended up dying as a result.
@Komnen0s
2 жыл бұрын
@@vincegalila7211 That's true, but he still had a fate like that coming after decades of committing war crimes against defenseless civilians.
@larsbuss6007
2 жыл бұрын
You spend 15 years in the semenese conflict and try to retain your morality
@boomerpro87
Жыл бұрын
on one hand, he was a monster, on the other hand, he had to keep his men on a leash or things would get BAD! i...dont know what i'd do in his specific situation fuck i hope i never have to be in charge of so many morally bankrupt people... but i feel like lely was the only thing in most situations that prevented a massacre or an even bigger war crime from happening. he is far from a good person but he tried to keep the horrible events to isolated incidents it seems, while his brother is an example of what most other leaders in mercenary groups like this are like. its just shitty all around and for everyone. its so gut wrenchingly human in its shittyness that i cant put all the blame on the bastard no matter how much of a monster h was.
@creamerthug7028
Жыл бұрын
@@larsbuss6007 Are you trying to justify his actions?
@anarchohelenism
Жыл бұрын
What’s amazing about this is that the Deserter, as much of a crazy communist loon he appears to be, was correct. Lely WAS a horrific monster of a human who deserved a fate worse than death. And this entire story for the game started when the Deserter saw Klaasje and, disgusted that she would give herself willingly to such an awful man, shot him mid-coitus. Just… wow. It’s such a dark, human moment.
@Xander77Ru
Жыл бұрын
Yet Iosif knows nothing about the mercs beyond whatever he's heard on the radio - he's just associating them with the jackboots that crushed the revolution.
@KalilIllinois
Жыл бұрын
@@Xander77Ru Yes, Iosif can be quite the hypocrite sometimes. And yet, from that whole interaction with him, he clearly would be the type to simply own up to his hypocrisy if called out on it. Still, I really like his character
@Garl_Vinland
Жыл бұрын
Keep in mind the Sargent in this story died in the Semenese Islands. He’s not in the game. But the Mercenaries from Krenel universally give off a “Meth Nazi Death Marine” vibe
@anitaremenarova6662
Жыл бұрын
The people completely misunderstanding Ellis's character are baffling. The entire take away is that the system is rotten and it doesn't matter if you're a good person like Ellis, there's still no way to keep your hands clean once you're in.
@quleughy
Жыл бұрын
The Deserter’s mistake was jealousy. Klaase was a psychopath herself, and no one should be mad about her sleeping with anyone in the first place. She’s not worth the care. If anything he should have shot her later for manipulating The Hardy Boys and getting them caught up in (what she at first thought was) her shit. Hell, she even admits later on as an aside in her interrogation that if she were a guy, she would go off and do the same things the mercs do (albeit this is an odd counterfactual to make considering the mercs had a woman among their ranks already, so one wonders why she thinks being a guy keeps her from being a merc). She’s a completely irredeemable person.
@paperbackwriter1111
2 жыл бұрын
Really makes you want to adjust your funny tie for some reason.
@jjspittel327
10 ай бұрын
It's Harry instinctively setting his hand on his weapon. And in this case, it's the weapon that kills Kortenaer.
@faffywhosmilesatdeath5953
Ай бұрын
Makes me want to admire my beautiful necktie..
@OmarDelReal45
3 жыл бұрын
This has to be the darkest story inside a reeally popular game.
@rhysdavies3479
3 жыл бұрын
Then Cunoesse story is runner up if you piece it together.
@ae5704
2 жыл бұрын
@@rhysdavies3479 what’s the story?
@rhysdavies3479
2 жыл бұрын
@@ae5704 If I told you wouldn't it ruin the adventure? :p
@ae5704
2 жыл бұрын
@@rhysdavies3479 True that.. hints on how to find out about it?
@rhysdavies3479
2 жыл бұрын
@@ae5704 Talk to Cuno on all things Cunoesse and he will give you most of what you need to start to piece it together. All about how she got to where she is now, background and personality. Then you see how messed up it is but also overlooked from a generic glance at her.
@rg5580
2 жыл бұрын
Tens, hundreds of them.
@devinodriscoll
Жыл бұрын
Truly an underrated line as far as fridge horror is concerned. Still gives me shivers to think that each star is very likely as nasty as the last one.
@smithjohnsmith7047
2 жыл бұрын
Jesus
@limcw6092
Жыл бұрын
Stories like these were pretty common in areas occupied by Japan during ww2
@memyself4852
Жыл бұрын
Like nanjing
@molybdenumrose
Жыл бұрын
Same with Americans in Iraq and Vietnam.
@kentknightofcaelin4537
Жыл бұрын
Newsflash, it's common everywhere in wartime.
@cringeclown4087
Жыл бұрын
@@molybdenumrose Vietnam, yes. Iraq, not really. Unless you're talking about the Taliban and the other fringe extremist factions.
@molybdenumrose
Жыл бұрын
@@cringeclown4087 That's simply wrong. American soldiers committing crimes against civilians in Iraq are very well documented. Haditha, Hamandiya, Sadr City, Samarra and Ishaqi have become synonymous with murder, rape and the multiple killings of civilians. Also the Taliban are not in Iraq. They are primarily Afghani.
@aayushbhandari4387
2 жыл бұрын
Klaasje has reeeeally good taste in men
@Tuskbumper
Жыл бұрын
She looked past all that 🤡
@limcw6092
Жыл бұрын
BuT I MUsT PrOtEcT HER!!!!!!!!!!!
@DuckieMcduck
Жыл бұрын
she could fix him
@marcoaledo7379
Жыл бұрын
Too complex and twisted to understand, I myself cant fully grasp the full appeal that men like Lely could have, only incomplete theories come to mind.
@marcoaledo7379
Жыл бұрын
@@DuckieMcduck I doubt so, too far gone and I bet Klaasje knew it well. I think their relationship was more of a holiday for both.
@scuraballthetrueone
Жыл бұрын
One of my favourite moments to have gotten in my first playthrough (maybe second I don't recall)
@adamkrzeslak4326
3 ай бұрын
never thought of even asking him about those, was absolutely surprised by how I can't find anyone who would know something about them, except for maybe Klasjee who knew a little, but this scene is so great and it's just such a shame I missed it, there's so much to this game
@attackofthecopyrightbots
Жыл бұрын
i didnt feel bad about blasting him before seeing this but now that ive seen this yeah no
@wege8409
2 жыл бұрын
Oh wow, this is one of the few times Inland Empire is wrong Edit: nm this is terrible
@Garl_Vinland
Жыл бұрын
This guy is your average US Marine
@yurichekov8944
Жыл бұрын
And I think the average US Marine would take that as a compliment.
@Rise65487
Жыл бұрын
that's not the kind of bullshit you see from normal peoples, it's the kind of things you see from deranged individuals in positions of absolute-freedom. that's what you'd expect from soldiers who have been isolated for a long-time in a single-location, or mercs who intrude into a warground knowing damn well no-one would stop them. that's some "Apocalypse-Now" type of bullshit that could only happen back when field-communication weren't a thing, and wars were fought on battlefield and not small-scale tactical operations to avoid casualties and wastes of ressources. nowaday we have protocoles made SPECIFICALLY to avoid this kind of situations, you guys are fucking ignorants if you truly believe that.
@BanBootlicking
7 ай бұрын
Include average NATO soldier too.
@asherroodcreel640
3 ай бұрын
Probably no
@techissus7449
8 күн бұрын
@@yurichekov8944Of course those crayon munchers would
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