Sam has a good point about faithfulness. If you look at Hebrews 11:31 it says "By faith" Rahab hid the spies, whereas James 2:24 it says by "works" Rahab hid the spies. See how both faith and works are encompassed in the same action? This implies faithfulness.
@shamounian
2 жыл бұрын
BAM!!!!
@Mkvine
9 ай бұрын
@@greatbriton8425 I’m not sure I fully agree with that. You said it was not by faith that she hid the spies. But that just begs the question, by what did she hid the spies then? By her faithlessness? Moreover, you are drawing a sharp dichotomy between her faith and hiding the spies, but the verse doesn’t do that. In fact, the verse explains her faith *in terms of* hiding the spies. If you look at the translations, they use the words “because” “for” “when” to connect her faith with hiding the spies - it’s one fluid thing. Moreover, these words (because, for, when) indicate the *reason for* something. So hiding the spies was *the reason* for her faith. There is no sharp distinction here.
@anglican-episcopalian
8 ай бұрын
JD needs to learn more 😊
@mugumearnold6523
8 ай бұрын
@@lancehopkinsmusic faith comes by hearing and hearing the word of God . the some text says don't be hearers only but be doers of the word. but let us not forget that the faith by works doesn't redeem us or guarantee us eternal life the promise for which we hope for. faith in Jesus Christ is what will bring us eternal life but our works are nothing only through Christ Jesus shall we be justified❤❤❤❤
@ManuelVasquez
7 ай бұрын
God called him Friend without the water baptism which was custom through Levitical law., and he wasn't circumcised until after he had Faith.@@lancehopkinsmusic
@OrthodoxJourney359
2 жыл бұрын
As an ex-protestant, I see "Pastor". J.D. keeps tripping over his own arguments because of his own manmade traditions. Pray for J.D..
@gamer-vh9sh
Жыл бұрын
For Sam too, he's Assyrian Church of the East
@gmc4733
Жыл бұрын
Catholics have false teachings like believing Jesus is actually present in the eucharist, making Sunday mass obligatory when no where in Bible it says so, creating graven images and Bowing down to them breaking the ten commandmenments, praying to dead, confessing to Priest, believing penance will take away sins without repentance, baptizing child when he has no knowledge of Jesus, etc.
@Biggun3567
Жыл бұрын
@@gmc4733then you don't have continuity of the Church of God study a bit more of the church fathers instead of trusting in your own interpretation of Scripture study the first thousand years of Christianity bud
@roddycavin4600
Жыл бұрын
@@gmc4733so St Ignatius of Antioch who was taught by St John the apostle and legend has it was baptised by Peter was wrong when he wrote to the church in Smyrna just before being martyred claiming the real presence in the Eucharist in 108 and?
@roddycavin4600
Жыл бұрын
@@gmc4733was Justin Martyr wrong in 155ad to write to the emperor Antonnius Pius telling him that they meet on a Sunday?
@CandanceIsMyName
2 жыл бұрын
You all who were raised in apostolic churches, I don't think you know the depth of insanity that goes on in some Protestant churches. I've heard things from Protestant pastors that would turn your blood cold. I had a pastor tell me once that God hates most of the human race, and "the world" in John 3:16 refers to vegetation on planet earth. I've heard a teacher teach that dead babies of unbelievers go to hell but dead babies of Christians are "clean" and thus saved. I've heard a pastor say divorce is God's will because a marriage that ends in divorce was predestined that way and therefore hadn't been binding before God. Just a few examples off the top of my head. If you think this Pastor JD is unreasonable, you aint seen nothing yet.
@shamounian
2 жыл бұрын
preach it!
@CandanceIsMyName
2 жыл бұрын
@@eagleclaw1179 and yet the Gentiles do by nature the things of the law. don't take extreme comments about the wicked to use as a maxim for the whole human race.
@CandanceIsMyName
2 жыл бұрын
@@eagleclaw1179 It's Psalm 5. You completely missed my point. Unbelievers are not all bad all the time. The most extreme language about wicked people doesn't apply to everyone.
@CandanceIsMyName
2 жыл бұрын
@@eagleclaw1179 you are deliberately being obtuse
@iyambanguel1775
9 ай бұрын
What is protestant means protests
@Saul-StPaul
10 ай бұрын
The same way you show love is through action, you show faith through the action. You must act to show faith, and not just by saying you have it. Sam, you make understanding the Bible very easy. I appreciate and enjoy the way you explain. May God continue to bless you and your good work.
@atuamato5496
2 жыл бұрын
Glory and praise to the Triune God for this dialogue, it is an answer to prayer! I pray for more like this amongst our brothers. I have become a better listener under your tutelage brother Sam and I praise God for your brotherly love towards your ‘younger’ brother. Looking forward to part 2. God bless you both💕
@ifreddycoco
2 жыл бұрын
A bit frustrating to listen to, I wish JD would listen more though I’m only halfway through. Edit: ok 75% through - very frustrating.
@houtmansimanjuntak3600
2 жыл бұрын
We are proud of you Sam; trust that Holy Spirit will guide you always. We pray for you, for your daughter and your family. Stay safe and be healthy
@NathanielBartholomew92
2 жыл бұрын
Arians literally made the same arguments he did at their heretical councils. "The third Council of Sirmium, in 357, was the high point of Arianism. The Seventh Arian Confession (Second Sirmium Confession) held that both homoousios (of one substance) and homoiousios (of similar substance) were unbiblical and that the Father is greater than the Son."
@Vereglez-d4z
2 жыл бұрын
The pastor has a lot to learn...I hope he comes back on. God bless you Sam. 🙏🏽
@samuelmalua574
Жыл бұрын
Martin is showcasing the reason why there should be an age limit on becoming a pastor(at least 40 imo). I do understand his thought process because when I was 25 that’s how I thought before I learned church history. The facts are in scripture, no one cares about what you personally think.
@elKarlo
8 ай бұрын
Agreed. He fundamentally did not understand the Nicean council at all. He really needs to understand it and not just have the baptists talking points about it only.
@sharingthegospel8570
7 ай бұрын
Sam, my brother. I'm a protestant and I would love to have this same conversation with you. I listen to your show and have benefitted and learned a ton. Love you man. I don't think this brother did a great job. Im not saying I'd do better but I'd at least answer and question differently.I also think I would have more helpful questions to you for the sake of the audience.
@shamounian
7 ай бұрын
skype me if you can answer serious questions and stay on topic: benny_malik3
@marinkoklaic4310
Ай бұрын
@@shamounianSAM BOG te blagoslovio...❤❤❤Isus I Marija u ❤❤❤❤ pozz izEu
@sleeperino3054
4 ай бұрын
Sam, you’re a blessing to all Christians, especially those of the Apostolic Churches ✝️🙏🏼
@meanjoehix4534
2 жыл бұрын
1 hour in and so far it seems like JD comes to a conclusion within the first 2 seconds of each sentence Sam says and completely ignores the actual points Sam makes, which has lead to JD constantly strawmanning i think literally every single argument Sam has put forward. It's actually very irritating to listen to.
@makro_bulletz5920
9 ай бұрын
Sam is a man of GOD ! GOD bless you Sam !
@exploringtheologychannel1697
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for having me on. I enjoyed this conversation
@Mkvine
2 жыл бұрын
Great discussion, hope to see more talks between you and Sam in the future.
@carpediem7654
2 жыл бұрын
May God guide you to the righteous path brother.
@starship9629
2 жыл бұрын
I hope you have a show together soon again. I really enjoyed it
@exploringtheologychannel1697
2 жыл бұрын
@@Mkvine I hope so as well.
@exploringtheologychannel1697
2 жыл бұрын
@@starship9629 It was a good conversation.
@kingbaldwiniv5409
2 жыл бұрын
The wording of the Nicaean/Constantinopolitan Creed is just Acts 2? This creed was labored and fought over in the early 4th century. It WAS NOT prima facie, if was to delineate what was true teaching from false, dealing with of course Arias but also Paul of Samasota and his false baptisms. J.D.'s willingness to come on is commendable, but he seems very young in his study of the faith. I hope that he continues to follow the commands of Christ Jesus and is filled with the Holy Spirit.
@Mkvine
2 жыл бұрын
Even if he says it’s constructed from Acts 2, that only supports the Catholic/Orthodox position. Since the Fathers who created the Nicene Creed all believed in baptismal regeneration, then this means the early Church saw Acts 2 as teaching the same. That gives our interpretation ancient support and means the Protestant one is novel.
@kingbaldwiniv5409
2 жыл бұрын
@@Mkvine, well stated.
@zamundalion
11 ай бұрын
This JD guy is a pastor? Teaching people? Pray for him.
@bewitchedprophetofislam9048
2 жыл бұрын
I commend the patience and grace brother Sam exhibited in this discussion. It was frustrating how many straw-men Martin used in this discussion and how he came into this his with fixed protestant/ antiCatholic beliefs until he was pressed to finally open the Bible and see what scripture said rather than his opinions or private interpretations, which became very telling once the Bible was opened. Typical Calvinistic/ protestant habit of reading scripture through that lens and avoiding biblical exegesis, rather letting scripture speak for itself. To try to skirt around or appeal to Greek to wax eloquent when his position backfires in light of proper exegesis was frustrating. He came in with his objections against the creeds, with his false assumptions against the creeds even though he couldn’t prove this clearly due of his limited knowledge on the subject. Glory to God that brother Sam was gracious and didn’t go for the juggler. I hope he rewatches this and sees his flaws and corrects them on his journey out of Calvinism and in other future discussions. As a protestant on a journey myself I can relate fully with the demeanour and anti Catholic objections. I urge protestants to take off their protestant lenses and study the rich history of the early Church to learn and appreciate the early church traditions, including the fathers, why the ancient churches reject sola scriptura and believe what they believe. This was my starting point.
@IlhamPrayoga-x2q
Жыл бұрын
I don't think Protestant or Catholicism matters because at the end, Jesus is the One matters. Even a guy with no religion (That died on cross beside Jesus) is also saved believing Jesus.
@Musashination
Жыл бұрын
@@IlhamPrayoga-x2q it matters because Christ didn't gave us a bible, he gave us a Church and then the Church gave us the Bible.
@RougeKirschen
10 ай бұрын
@@MossEYE-Peter is the first pope and please google the meaning of Catholic in dictionary.
@gerardducharme2146
2 жыл бұрын
J.D. please stop tap dancing. The Apostolic Faith proceeded Protestantism by centuries.
@NathanielBartholomew92
2 жыл бұрын
So scary that this guy is a pastor....
@roddycavin4600
Жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly.
@Kihapologetics
7 ай бұрын
This is such a beautiful discussion between brothers in Christ. Thank you Sam for your patience with the brethren and thank you to the other young man for your passion 🙏🏻🙏🏻
@mjb9202
2 жыл бұрын
J D wants to make Christ the sales product and use biblical scripture as sales speech but unfortunately he can't understand what's written in the Bible and explain anything anyway he likes... As always use humiliation as a Protestant tactics to misinterpret the scriptures and make other believe they are wrong ... May God show him the righteous way to learn coz this guy only wants to prove others wrong....
@joserp51
Жыл бұрын
James2:19 You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. Preach it Sam!
@alphonsopereira2866
8 ай бұрын
With all due respect to the 'Pastor' he's rolling over! God Bless You Both.
@karlbekker777
9 ай бұрын
I think Pastor J.D has the right essence to the arguments. I do like Sam, and I'm thank ful for him. I've learnt an exceptional amount and his courage is infectious but while we debat the finality, don't forget our GOD came and Gave Up HIS LIFE for us all while we were still sinners. Salvation is a gift! so none can boast. Baptism is a statement to the enemy, being a berean is for edification if the LORD and to increase our faith and relationship with HIM. Like anything, a healthy prayer life ( prayer of the righteous avail much ) and having connection with the LORD leads us to action in faith.
@BigDaddyCatholic
6 ай бұрын
JD is the perfect example of why there are 33,000 different Protestant denominations in the U.S. that don’t agree on anything because they all have their own personal interpretations.
@Fred_the_Head
5 ай бұрын
33,000 different denominations? Could you simply list 3,300 or 10%?
@panokordosis648
9 ай бұрын
Sam is a breath of fresh air. Excellent debater.
@orthochristos
2 жыл бұрын
This was very good. This man seems very sincere in his journey, albeit, a little stubborn at times.
@michaellawlor5625
2 жыл бұрын
At times? 😕
@shamounian
2 жыл бұрын
LOL!
@orthochristos
2 жыл бұрын
@@michaellawlor5625 Trying to be charitable. Cut the guy some slack, man...
@michaellawlor5625
2 жыл бұрын
@@orthochristos I wasn't digging you out, I was just saying it was a little more than a bit. 😁
@orthochristos
2 жыл бұрын
@@michaellawlor5625 I know you weren't. No worries. Let's not split hairs over the amount of how stubborn he was 😁
@pm.v2
7 ай бұрын
i am not a protestant but i agree on "only faith" will get us in heaven. GOD doesn’t care about how much we donated, how many verses we can recite - its our heart and faith thats important.
@liared7
5 ай бұрын
As a Catholic turn Protestant and back to being Catholic! I wholeheartedly agree, no amount of work can save you. Faith ALONE, plus work, it is ur receipt here on Earth.
@maxinvasionleet
4 ай бұрын
@liared7 how can you NOT see your own contradiction? "Faith ALONE, plus works" that's not faith alone my friend. That's faith plus works
@avg516
10 ай бұрын
This “pastor’ is difficult to listen to because he is being obtuse. He seems to believe in himself rather than Jesus. and I am not convinced he is motivated by the Holy Spirit. Sam is certainly filled with the Holy Spirit.
@danielr.5148
9 ай бұрын
As a Protestant evangelical, I find Sam's position more believable and more coherent. I agree with his position. Faith is all-encompassing.
@Melvin22001
4 ай бұрын
This is how people create their own churchs "I think" assumptions rather than going to scripture and the one who wrote them. Never seen soo many assumptions 😅. Sam's being soo calm.
@markr78
2 жыл бұрын
Now I understand why sam does not debate or talk to everyone that reaches out to him ..jd came humble like he wanted to learn then debates every point and doesn't let sam explain his point..sam you have more patience then you think at 50:00 mark I was done with the ranting jd was doing 😒 may the Holy Spirit continue to use you and transform you and us all in Jesus christ name
@bryankeithr16
2 жыл бұрын
Believing is an action word!
@theclaverman
11 ай бұрын
Yes it certanly is. But is not your action, it’s Gods action (Joh 1, 12-13) The faith is something wich comes when the gospel is preached (Rom 10,17). Actions is born out of faith, but faith itself is no action of ours.
@bloop95
2 жыл бұрын
This was frustrating to watch, JD seemed to answer without listening. Then when he is forced to listen changes the topic. Growing pains. Sam it was cool to see you move through the various switches and always references back to scripture regardless of where the conversation went. It would be interesting to see how JD would respond if he is more pinned down on some of these verses instead of bringing up other passages not related to the original question. I’m glad he was open to discussion nonetheless.
@omiglio
2 жыл бұрын
God bless Sam, this was very hard to watch. Sam made very clear points to a man that responded with non sensical answers. By avoiding all of Sams questions and responding with gibberish that only made sense to himself. That is why Protestants hang on to error. They are kings in their own domain but not reality. Sam, I pray that you come to the fullness of faith the Catholic Church. You are very well on your way, God Bless.
@Gravioli.
11 ай бұрын
Why do you have to do works to be forgiven in catholicism? To me that’s as if saying Christs sacrifice wasnt enough
@Gravioli.
11 ай бұрын
@@gurren638 i understand doing good works for the love you have for Christ. Like doing good works because you love Christ, therefore wanting to do good works. But i dont understand in catholicism why they say you have to do so many things to earn forgiveness when forgiveness came when Christ was on the cross. It just seems like they’re saying Christs sacrifice on the cross wasnt enough to be forgiven, which doesnt sit right with me.
@JM-SB-JB
9 ай бұрын
@@Gravioli., was Christ’s sacrifice stopping you to commit sin?
@Gravioli.
9 ай бұрын
@@JM-SB-JB Christ’s sacrifice paid the price for our sins. We all sin and continue to sin because we are sinners and sin is in the world, but if we repent and ask for forgiveness we will be forgiven because of Christs sacrifice. That’s literally the whole reason he did it.
@ManuelVasquez
7 ай бұрын
Apart from your rejecting Popes Paul VI, Benedict XVI, and John Paul II's public view of Protestants and Christendom, you also trashed Orthodox and Catholic Charismatics which was result of papal investigation confirming Protestant doctrine and the Evangelical Pentecostal movement was a true movement of the Holy Spirit. Devout Catholics experienced the Holy Spirit presence with Spiritual Gifts. The Pope confirmed. The Vatican changed an almost millennia of doctrine and declared the Age of Spiritual gifts was not over and the previous Catholic stance of Cessationism had always been false.
@refr1983
8 ай бұрын
As a protestant myself i just witnessed the protestant brother argue himself out of his own arguments with the living word of God.
@jerryrhodes274
2 жыл бұрын
I can surely say Sam is blessed of the Spirit to teach! If you have ears of true discernment, you have to listen. Sam is a faithful servant, but don't believe in Sam believe in the saving grace of God.
@ninjanunch2769
10 ай бұрын
I grew up Roman Catholic been to the Vatican when I was 11 im 31 now and was adopted from Italian/Sicilian family when I was 3 days old. Grew up in Chicago and went to church when I was younger but stopped going as I got older. My family fell apart, I got addicted to drugs and now im clean and wanting to get back into my Faith. I never stopped believing and wouldn't be here without Jesus Christ. I love your channel Sam I've been watching alot of your videos and debates with Muslims. You have alot of wisdom I know alot of studying went into your knowledge. Also sidenote since your Assyrian I'm not sure but you probably have heard of Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel he is also Assyrian and It would be awesome maybe one day for you two to maybe do a skype together if that is possible.
@shamounian
10 ай бұрын
I grew up in Chicago as well. Where in Chicago?
@ninjanunch2769
10 ай бұрын
@@shamounian NW side. Went to St Monica's I grew up right across the street. Moved a few times but stayed in the area like Chicago but close to park ridge hardwood heights and norridge
@shamounian
10 ай бұрын
what were the major cross sections?
@ninjanunch2769
10 ай бұрын
@@shamounian Mont Clare and Foster ave
@MrEvoXI
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent stream, keep up the great work!
@exploringtheologychannel1697
2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this conversation between Sam and me.
@carolbratosin4135
10 ай бұрын
I hope that this young man will go back and listen to this debate and understand the sloppiness of his performance and that he will come to the understanding of the Truth, as preached by the Apostles and their followers. It is so sad to see people entangled in their own pride, without the ability to recognize their mistakes.
@oldcatholics
2 ай бұрын
Sam is a black belt in apologetics.
@HillSummitHomestead
10 ай бұрын
God bless every brother & sister in Christ. We live in the 21st century and much like many a generation before us who were not able to learn at the Apostles feet or at the feet of those who did, so we are all on a journey that has many distractions and noise from some very proud people. Praise God, we have The Church to turn to, as we see here. God bless the both of you.
@CatholicWithaBiblePodcast
10 ай бұрын
James 2:22 "...faith was completed by their works."
@TheRockIsCooking
3 ай бұрын
This is the most patient I’ve ever seen Sam lol 😂
@gutiux
7 ай бұрын
Protestantism is to go in little circles. And make tradition fit what a man not long ago said. That's what I get from this intent of conversation.
@OrphanCrippler1
8 ай бұрын
I dont understand how just anyone can be a pastor. If he even is an actual pastor.
@iammarvindelvalle574
10 ай бұрын
Sam, your patience with this young man was a real act of kindness but unfortunately, unless he is willing to approach the next conversation with you "with a humble heart" nothing will come out of it. Probably because he is very young, or he was eager to prove a few points, but he came across as extremely arrogant, as someone that was not willing to listen. Hopefully he will soon learn the 'ego is the enemy". Blessings to you brother, and to the people that support the work that you do.
@williammichael1061
9 ай бұрын
Great comment. Spot on 👌
@beautythought3502
8 ай бұрын
Sam I have been watching you since your Protestant days.. I’m catholic ❤️
@luuhoang9917
11 ай бұрын
Sam , because you search only for the truth, God grant you the truth. Many protestants already have their bias, prejudices from their family background when they grow up , so the truth is not what they look for. They try to find in the Bible whatever saying, verses fit their bias. Thank to Jesus Christ who look into your heart and bring you to the truth through Holy Spirit. May God always bless you to be firm in the truth.
@Xpistophoros
2 ай бұрын
It’s not common a young brother makes me click off a video man. Bless you Sam for the patience it took for this discussion
@josephj5050
2 жыл бұрын
The pastor must get to grips with the fact that if the Church Father's are right,he is wrong,and the Church Father's were guided by the Holy Spirit. Were the Church Father's guided or misguided by the Holy Spirit? So Pastor where does this leave your belief?
@agorabusinessgroup2723
Жыл бұрын
Sometimes I wonder if people think the devil dose have faith in God in the literal and simplistic meaning of faith ! Faith in the Context of the whole Bible (context of the typological revelation of salvation plan from Abraham to Jesus): Faith is like a wise man said like a pregnant word ! But again, you have to realize how debating with Bible Alone Christians is sadly as debating with Muslims, that simplistic and extremely literal understanding of the Bible is painful to witness, but that is also why God is great, it teaches you patience and love, the more you debate challenging behaviors-debaters the more you grow in Love and patience. Fruits of the gifts of the Holy Spirit ! Thanks a lot Samshamoun ! Praise God !
@emiliohernandez4125
Ай бұрын
If you notice the different way of talking between them, you really get to know who has the truth. The pastor always starts by saying "i think" or "to me" And Sam does not. So its between what the protestant think and feel , And what the true church of Christ KNOWS.
@jamestea5085
9 ай бұрын
As a Baptish Sam's argument is what i accept, the Pastor thinks that the Gospel is grammer
@autohrap5884
4 ай бұрын
Yes, i have been trying to figure out where Sam lands, is he Catholic?
@maryjordan4129
19 күн бұрын
Stop arguing! The Church fathers who though they precede us by a thousand years, are leaps and bounds more intelligent than we are, and have already figured it out! Run to the Catholic Church and live your life with humility and obedience. God bless Augustine, Aquinas, Iranaeus, John of Chrysostom!
@cathuk5910
2 жыл бұрын
Just watching this now...something not spiritually right with this young man..sounds like when Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ Saviour of The World was tempted in the wilderness...remember you know the devil knows scripture...I hope and pray that he finds The Truth only God knows if he is sincere.
@manoloortega9257
Жыл бұрын
The pastor won't understand until he stops being his own Pope and surrenders himself to our Lord Jesus Crist.
@apaadadisana9870
2 жыл бұрын
"What if"... no answer will fit all. Just love rule all
@perry900
9 ай бұрын
Infant baptism is ridiculous. How can a baby first understand sin. Make a decision to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus. Only Jesus is out intermediary between us and the Father. He is sitting at the right hand of the Father. No one else. Yes baptism is required. It's the the third act of obedience. First believe, repent and be baptized and receive the holy spirit.
@perry900
9 ай бұрын
@@KillerofGods the faith of the parents means they are covered until they come to age of understanding then they can make a decision and be baptized. What if they reject what you tell them and don't believe, then what is the good of your child baptism.
@edbertels
8 ай бұрын
Baptism is God’s promise to us AND our children. (Acts 2:39). Whom he calls.
@edbertels
8 ай бұрын
@@DOA011970 I just quoted the word. Here, I’ll help you with it. 38 And Peter said to them, " Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him." Acts 2:38-39
@charlesestrada9203
7 ай бұрын
The Catholic counterpart to the Assyrian Church of the East is the Chaldean Catholic Church they are in full communion with the Bishop of Rome.
@sirevatt
10 ай бұрын
Faith is metaphysical, and faithfulness flows from it and is evidenced through action. Just like love is invisible, but physical acts of love show that love truly dwells in someone's heart. Hence why Jesus says "If you love me, you will keep my commandments", whats on the inside, is evidenced by outward action. Even though the outward actions is distinct from whats on the inside.
@YosepRA
Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, but it's utterly difficult to listen to this discussion. I came here with curiosity about Sola Fide. But I got stubborn guest, weird analogies, straw manning, and speaking Greek as if to boast eloquence. I don't get why Martin is stressing so much about faithfulness and believing, and spent a long time just to go round and round. Then at other point, he and Sam are debating about the faithfulness of children, then Martin raised about children's age and the object of their faithfulness, whether it be God or their parents. I'm speaking nonsense now. But my head is spinning listening to Sam, who is very patient here, and Martin who keeps going round and round, either trying to prove a point or "accidentally" confirming Sam's arguments.
@shamounian
Жыл бұрын
Brother, this is the fruit of protestantism.
@mikebishop2838
5 ай бұрын
This is why i left rhe baptist church and. Came home to the Roman Catholic Church.
@gabinocarreon7218
10 ай бұрын
Communion means the Churches are in aggreement of Catholic theology..including the Pope.. . Difference is the Rite..the worshipping of God is different..liturgy..songs..music...mode of dress ..style of church..etc
@dariuszprokop2204
7 ай бұрын
The moment Sam started studying Early Church Fathers and talking openly about it, some protestants went "We gotta win him back!". But this young pastor, oh boy, he has to learn a lot, and with humility, too, as some commenters have already pointed out. Not knowing the Church Fathers' writings is an unforgivable shortcoming on part of any Christian, mine included, as only recently I started reading their letters. And although it is hard not do agree with pastor Martin when he says he will face God to give account of his own faith, however relying on Luther and other reformers does not make it your own faith. As Sam emphasized, the earliest Church Fathers learnt from the Apostles. No reformer can trump that. Added on Feb. 16, 2024: And by the way, I have read a few books by the late Michael Heiser (who did not shy away from using Catholic priest-scholars' works in his writings), and I as a Catholic, appreciate very much his studies of gods, sons of God, etc. So I did smlie, too, when pastor Martin showed his, well, I guess his ingorance on the subject.
@ramilcruz2005
9 ай бұрын
May the Spirit enlighten Pastor JD.....1 Samuel 16:7 " For the Lord does not see as man sees, for man looks at the outward appearance , but the Lord looks at the HEART ". The thief on the cross can't do anything, he just believed in his Heart and Declared with his Mouth that Jesus is Lord & that God will raise him from the Dead..Yet the God Jesus joined him for three days in Hades (Abraham's Side/ Paradise)..."today you will be with Me in Paradise", says the Lord Jesus
@ramilcruz2005
9 ай бұрын
NO BAPTISM DONE...JUST THE HEART THAT BELIEVES. BAPTISM WITH WATER IS SYMBOLIC...JUST ANOTHER WAY OF DECLARING THAT JESUS IS YOUR LORD & SAVIOR ..A DECLARATION NOT BY MOUTH BUT BY ACTION...AND THAT THE WORLD CAN NOW EXPECT FROM THE BAPTIZED THAT HE IS NOW A NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST.
@ramilcruz2005
9 ай бұрын
But the Baptism with Fire/Holy Spirit is even more pleasing to God. Baptism with the Holy Spirit means Christ is already in you. Even Cornelius and his family got baptized with the Holy spirit ahead of Peter baptizing them with water which just translated as formality. Baptism with the Holy Spirit,, ie, a pure intention of a contrite Heart, is even more pleasing to God than mere ""Show-off but without the repentant heart"
@snoopy3587
9 ай бұрын
Funny how when protestants really want to fallow Christ and the truth and hunt for that real truth they end up turning Catholic blessed be our lord Jesus 🙏 and his holy mother!!!!
@eric_wood
2 жыл бұрын
J.D. was arguing with his own forehead this entire conversation.
@karmapoliceman7
10 ай бұрын
God bless Sam, i dont have the mental bandwidth capacity to follow conversational threads like he can
@PTheGoat
3 ай бұрын
“I think, I believe, the way I see it”
@charlesqbanks
8 ай бұрын
There is none righteous no not one, not Mary, not Noah, no one. If God would keep certain people from all sin, then why would He not just keep us all from sin? Also what is the point of keeping Mary an immaculate virgin after Christ's birth? And if Mary were immaculate, and was assumed into Heaven, why does not scripture show that? Surely the canonical scriptures inspired and kept by God should have explicitly revealed such important points and events? But we don't get that teaching from any of the original disciples or apostles, we get them from later Church fathers, many of whom we know fell into heresies about purgatory, religious rites, prayer to saints, etc.
@pheonixasdf9685
2 ай бұрын
Why do people lump all protestants together from the acts of a few bad apples. Im whats know as a IFB and am blessed enough to have a preacher that truly respects God and His word. We belive in Salvation trough faith and believe when someone truly accepts Jesus into their hearts it changes them. The change might not be immediately apparent but it will be known none the less.
@chengotyeno3700
2 ай бұрын
"Protestants" are churches who were created with the split of the Roman Catholic church in the 1500s. Since then, they spilt and split and split into many many churches who have their own beliefs. Their individual members may not personally have an issue with any other church but the fact that they exist apart from the first and ancient churches, there's a problem. Why are these churches still separate? Are they actually aware of what they are protesting about? There is no limit to the ability of God to call anyone to Him from anywhere, but if Jesus left a church to be the foundation and guide into all truth... Then Christians arguing and being divided is a problem. Our unity should be testimony to our faith.
@TrinitarianZealot8
7 ай бұрын
I respect your patience, Sam. People give you such a bad rep, but you proved your patience in this video. Praise God!! I feel bad for J.D. though. May the Holy Spirit help him see his blind sides and lead him to truth.
@leunnameibale7294
6 ай бұрын
JD is standing firmly on his pride. and his earnings as a pastor
@zoilife3929
7 ай бұрын
Amin to your prayer Sam! God bless you and your family 🙏🏻☦️
@DFilippone
9 ай бұрын
“Sam I’m not trying to refute you.” Then refutes every point Sam makes…
@joehamill6743
8 ай бұрын
It's hard to deny the Truth..God bless you Sam. Welcome to the sheepfold.
@CatholicWithaBiblePodcast
10 ай бұрын
"God would not let that happen" is not a claim you get to make.
@alfgubert13
10 ай бұрын
God bless you Sam, you have a lot patience…he talks too much and doesn’t listen😢
@michaellns2860
7 ай бұрын
That was terribly frustrating and stressful.
@Kelli_Gibbs_1
11 ай бұрын
This was extremely painful to listen to🙄. I hope you offered this up Sam!
@jennyrussell4626
7 ай бұрын
Yes i believe he is a pastor but doesnt mean i have faith in what he is preaching!
@11antun
9 ай бұрын
I wished that that peopel how whant to debate others would learn the basics about that what they opposing!
@Thicknchunky
2 жыл бұрын
News flash to Pastor JD: the Church worked out all of these issues long before Luther and Calvin. The truth didn’t just out of no where reappear in the 16th century. That puts you in the same category as Mormons if that’s what you think happened. It’s obvious that you need to read more works by the fathers ante-reformation. Heck ante-Great Schism for that matter.
@Manofwar7
8 ай бұрын
Usually like Sam but I think is off on this. Referring to the church fathers is frankly a moot point. Seems to be unsure about the Popes position. In 2023 the pope blesses homosexual unions! Furthermore, he would not be considered the worst pope. The first chapters of Revelation John is rebuking the church and leaders. The church at Corinth along with its leaders were a hot mess. The point is look at the BIBLE. That's the Word of God! Sam wants to go back and look at the fathers for instruction. Epic fail IMO. He has magnified His Word above His name... Psalm 138.
@ralphvalencia5699
7 ай бұрын
All the examples of the pastor was already debunk, because it is not according to what the context truthfully said and explained. A particular word used in a certain verse is not always adoptable or parallel to all or every verses in the scripture. We love you brother and I pray and believe that the truth will always set us free. The more you study the holy scripture, the more you become Catholic. All glory and honors are yours my holy God. Glory be to the Father and of the Son and of the holy Spirit AMEN. Thank you brother Sam may the Lord Jesus Christ bless and protect you always, We love you, take care.
@Azuosph
8 ай бұрын
I believe pastoring comes from yielding to the Holy Spirit as it gifts you with that skill set to be able to Pastor others. I am always on the fence with people who go to a school to be able to pastor others. Pastoring is a gift of the Holy Spirit.
@joeisaac2358
10 ай бұрын
The Pastor should be much appreciate to learn from Sam.
@jen8932
9 ай бұрын
I'm a protestant but a Catholic ❤ I also am evangelical and a born again Christian.
@JR-tl8tg
8 ай бұрын
I think part of the root cause here is a nation a suffering from hyper suspicious of authority of the Church they are using the lens of today and trying to read the past the circumstances are quite different. This why they have hiccups with the Church Fathers. Thanks for addressing the issue Sam may our Lord Jesus Christ Bless you always.
@lauraphillips7395
3 ай бұрын
Sam is so patient with this man. BTW: The Bible's earthly author was the Catholic Church. If the original author wants to an edit a book, that's fine. If someone else like Muhammad or Luther or Calvin want to edit it, they need permission from the author or else it is plagiarism.
@mark53123able
8 ай бұрын
It was incredibly frustrating that this guy kept talking over Sam every time he tried to make a point. Sam couldn’t complete a full thought without getting talked over.
@nicovanmu8659
8 ай бұрын
I didn't like your ways of habdling things before, but I can see that God has brought humility and humbleness in your life. I pray that God does the same to me.
@meandu4ever777
2 жыл бұрын
Was this about sola fide ? Or about faith ? I got lost and confused.
@shamounian
2 жыл бұрын
he was confused too.
@YosepRA
Жыл бұрын
I was also waiting for quite a while for them to start talking about Sola Fide. I got lost in this whole discussion with a bunch of faulty analogies and "I think" arguments.
@BLIV-u5m
2 ай бұрын
"I don't think abiding by his word means believing" - why does this give me flashbacks of conversations with muslims haha
@ALL4JESUSCHRIST
8 ай бұрын
JD Martin made the best arguments, and Sam continually interrupted and changed the goalpost of his points of view. Sam kept saying you're not getting what I'm saying, and you need to listen to my complete response. Yet he continually ignores and interrupts JD's attempt to respond to Sam's fluctuating points. Sam also kept asking questions of JD, which seemed very purposeful to avoid answering questions. I feel sorry for Sam [if] he's left the true gospel of Jesus Christ and embraced a works-based faith found in most Catholic denominations. I'm not sure about the Assyrian Church of the East, but that's for Sam to earnestly determine. Clearly, most, if not all, Catholic denominations hold to many un-Biblical doctrines in regards to issues of faith, salvation, authority, Mary, and other related matters. Seek Jesus Christ and not a religion of man. Blessings †
@JohnMackeyIII
10 ай бұрын
I am unsure why people think, bringing up limited atonement makes their understanding/argument/view on scripture more tenable or profitable just because. They went on this journey!
@anthonymoubarak3736
6 ай бұрын
Listening to this pastor made me understand why there are 10000000 Protestant denominations. Good grief!
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