Been many years since I sat down to listen to a Jonathan Blow interview, and it's reassuring my respect for him over the years has been well-placed. I love how Jon earnestly approaches topics. Great video.
@Mythique
Жыл бұрын
Cool discussion! It would be great to have the sound normalized though, Luke's volume is way higher than Jonathan's, I had to change the volume constantly.
@gulanhem9495
11 ай бұрын
It's sad, but this happens all the time with my favorite podcasters.
@Charlemagne_III
Жыл бұрын
I HATE DOCKER I HATE DOCKER I HATE DOCKER
@arnavjindal3062
Жыл бұрын
Docker is great
@metabolic_jam
Жыл бұрын
Lmao 😂. For a python or non systems language for that part it doesn't hurt, but for a statically linked binary, presents an overhead
@chrisc7265
7 ай бұрын
"You spent a day setting this up on the server, that's time wasted, better dockerize it" _spends three weeks dockerizing it_ _still takes a day to set up on the server_
@JannisAdmek
7 ай бұрын
docker is not that bad honestly, specially for development.
@CianMcsweeney
6 ай бұрын
@@arnavjindal3062 it's a 'solution' for a problem that shouldn't exist
@Sychonut
Жыл бұрын
Regarding the root causes of ever increasing complexity in software, especially in bigger companies whose software we end up consuming on a daily basis, I believe one of the core reasons - itself born out of management's lack of technical understanding and expertise - is the backwards incentive structure rewarding engineers in bigger companies to optimize for their local maxima as opposed to the project or teams' global maxima. As anyone can tell, these points are not necessarily the same. I (regrettably) worked as an engineer at a FAANG company, and besides the sheer amount of bureaucracy, wokeness, and dehumanizing practices, this was most noticeable. When you reward a programmer for the number of commits made, lines of codes written, features submitted, bugs fixed, performance optimizations made, or any other "impact" oriented metrics - all, metrics chosen with the reasonable assumption of emphasizing objectivity and measurability to take out bias - you inadvertently end up rewarding complexity because your reward structure does not have the long term health of the software - which becomes evident on longer time scale, is more difficult to measure, and does not fit well in the annual or semi annual performance review cycles - in mind. Most often what programmers end up doing in such environments, as people end up doing to game any reward structure, is to merely focus on the very metric they are rewarded for even at the cost of the wellbeing of the codebase. Even worse, even if some engineers end up making the right technical call and act on it, they will soon realize that such an approach will end up hurting them in review cycles as "improved the architecture of this piece of code to remove complexity" never counts equal in terms of "impact" and weight to "improved blah blah look up times by 13%." And because these companies' software has reach, we all end up paying the price as users for this mismanagement. I truly believe the cause of many issues in software directly or indirectly lies with "career-managers". Just like career-politicians, they are merely parasites playing the game, and the systems, and do not bring anything of value to the table. Typically they are not the most knowledgeable or experienced on the team that others can look up to, learn from, or whose judgement call to rely on, rather, just as the Dilbert's principle states, they were the worst in engineering with good social skills who were promoted to be moved out of the way.
@aarondcmedia9585
2 ай бұрын
You definitely get what you reward. Pavlov showed this.
@torrasque0151
Жыл бұрын
Incredible get, Luke. I haven't been this excited in this area since Dave had Florian Himsl on, and the conversation here was much more interesting.
@RussTeeTrombone
Жыл бұрын
Company size is often driven by career incentives. “Showing impact” is how one gets promoted; you need metrics to do that (increased engagement, DAU, minutes whatever) This absolutely doesn’t happen with KTLO for some old service, one needs “new features” to get the numbers, and said “features” require more staff to add them (even if trivial) plus managers are incentivised to have managed larger teams (even if they don’t do shite, they are just rewarded for the head count) These misaligned incentives alone explain a large portion of staffing. I say this from experience.
@thomas-hall
Жыл бұрын
I was very excited to see when this was scheduled. Thank you both
@Viflo
Жыл бұрын
Grear interview thanks for bringing Mr. Blow back from the void.
@hyperTorless
Жыл бұрын
1:54:01 Very interesting points on the relationship between humans and human-like technologies. The argument of "you don't consciously know where your own words come from" is really convincing. As long as things look real enough, if it's backed by technology there's no reason to dismiss it easily.
@seriouscat2231
4 ай бұрын
What is the opposite of dismissing something easily? In which way should I take seriously a program that simply circulates text?
@LadyOfShaIott
Жыл бұрын
Great guest - thank you for the excellent content lambda sir.
@Piratfabbe
Жыл бұрын
Great discussion! Finding Distributist and Blow on the same channel was not on my bingo card
@0ia
11 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot, Luke and Jon! Beautiful.
@hyperTorless
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting, great questions! Thank you for the amazing work Jonathan!
@madeinengland1212
Жыл бұрын
Glad people are finally admiring this. I thought 20 years ago MS office works be smooth and people would use styles by now. It’s no different at all. 3D design software is getting there. But i question why we even need it. They designed and managed they build of St. Paul’s cathedral with pen and paper.
@Elrog3
Жыл бұрын
Really enjoying the philosophy bit. Never heard Jon speak on it before. And yes! Thank you Jon. QM is all waves, not particles.
@henrykkaufman1488
Жыл бұрын
look up Jons talk on toe podcast
@seriouscat2231
4 ай бұрын
I thought it's the opposite. Everything is particles and QM is just imaginations running wild. It's a misnomer anyway because there are no mechanics in it.
@adammontgomery7980
Жыл бұрын
I've heard people talk about how other projects aren't in 'active development' anymore like it's a bad thing. It may be that it's crap software, but couldn't it just be finished; or is that not a thing in software development anymore.
@quaker5712
Жыл бұрын
56:32 Totally real and based question followed by a totally real and based answer. Gamedev cuts sent me here and I'm very glad they did. Great conversation!
@JacobChrist
Жыл бұрын
43:38 No code breaks, love it. I often say of code that it doesn't break, it either always worked or never worked.
@PaulHindt
Жыл бұрын
Existing code can "break" if another person changes it, introducing either new problematic side effects or changing the original behavior in a way that doesn't adhere to the intention of the original programmer.
@JacobChrist
Жыл бұрын
@@PaulHindt Certainly, my saying is related to people asking me about code that has not changed. Something that has been running in the field.
@nate0-rh6eh
Ай бұрын
@@PaulHindtthe environment it runs in can change as well.
@Jack-gp3rk
Жыл бұрын
Overall good interview. I always like Jonathan's thoughts on game designs and state of modern software. As a person living in the Eastern Europe and knowing all to good how soviet/russian propaganda works - just one remark about Putin being candid etc. - believe me, Putin as a former KGB knows all to well how to speak and to appear as an honest, "your man". This kind of people like to appear as victim of bad press, as a fighter for 'conservative values' and as your true friend, who is just misunderstood. But when you look at the facts: you see the guy, that's invading yet another country, starting a war where there are already over 200k died and overtly dreaming about restoring failed empire which was Soviet Union, killing opposition within the country, etc. Then you see clearly that this guy's words do not add up with his real actions. Unfortunately many people learn about this too late. Merkel, Obama, Sarkozy, Scholz fell for it, so I understand that people who are not into geopolitics of Eastern Europe like Jonathan, might also get it wrong. But besides that - a good interview.
@seriouscat2231
4 ай бұрын
What if he is just a frontman? What if he is doing something that all powerful people in the world actually want? Causing the restructuring of a few national economies, for example. This being the easiest and most efficient way to do it.
@anylogwotem373
Жыл бұрын
Great steam as always Luke, God bless!
@Fanaro
Жыл бұрын
The audio levels are so different for each person...
@zhulikkulik
9 ай бұрын
I think the next major technological breakthrough will be AI dungeon master. Something that can actually interact with players instead of a predefined set of dialogue options and story “branches”. I also hope we'll see the return of movable chairs and breakable walls before that.
@____uncompetative
8 ай бұрын
I have been working on designing a new multiparadigm programming language for 25 years to boost my productivity, so I alone can build the tools that I know I will need that don't currently exist to make an asynchronous MMORTSFPSRPG where the RPG element uses a AI director to shape a coauthored narrative (through manipulation of your entanglements with virtual dramatis personae - which are very much more sophisticated NPCs which have their own _modus operandi_ that they will try to conceal so that they can't be manipulated by others knowing their wants and desires), that repeatedly and consistently asserts the underlying theme. Role playing consistently as a character that is defined to have certain traits will accrue Kudos points, and unlock more challenging roles than just the initial 'hero' you start off with. Other roles would invert the established notion of avoiding GAME OVER as you may be playing someone who doomed their existence like Dorian Gray or Faust. The story needs them to ultimately fail. If it let you to hypothetically be Sheev Palpatine then that would be a great story arc until his death in _Episode VI._ Of course, copyrighted IP will not be allowed as roles. So no Role Play as Bruce Wayne, unfortunately. This would be multiplayer, but not a cooperative party of adventurers, as in _D&D_ (for which I was a DM in the early '80s with _AD&D_ ruleset), so the MMO aspect whilst there would be watered down into 'ambience'. So more like _No Man's Sky_ at launch, than _Star Citizen_ multi-crew. I would like to do the latter, but I can't afford to front the cost of the servers at launch, so if I add that later, it will only be after a quasi-single player PvE experience makes some money. I don't know if that is what you had in mind. I think I will have a beta in 4 years time (2028).
@nate0-rh6eh
Ай бұрын
I’ve thought about that and to get a well trained powerful ai would require a lot of compute power that (currently) would require querying a server (because there’s no way it’s gonna run locally) which sounds like it would take a lot of money to maintain. It would have to be a subscription based game imo. Just think of all of the dialogue for a fallout or baldurs gate from all over the planet being sent to a server at once. That’s so much network traffic. Then you have to secure and maintain it. It would be a crazy expensive game and one hell of an engineering feat. On top of that. It would have to not only be ai generated responses, but ai generated results. What would that even look like? I genuinely don’t think hardware can do that yet unless it’s entirely text based which would be lame (chat gpt already does that).
@mattanimation
Жыл бұрын
great interview, thanks so much.
@JacobChrist
Жыл бұрын
13:40 I work with people that have 30 years experience that still do this.
@thoughts0utloud
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this. New sub.
@rileymckenzie6276
5 ай бұрын
developments in so called "AI" will intensify all of these problems
@Fanaro
Жыл бұрын
1:06:00 Maybe use Valve as an example for contrasting different approaches?
@mkrichey1
Жыл бұрын
Love the talk but so many ads
@i_am_lambda
Жыл бұрын
I didn't know there were any ads!
@i_am_lambda
Жыл бұрын
I'll see if I can turn them off
@mkrichey1
Жыл бұрын
@@i_am_lambda I dont mind ads and if you get paid then you deserve it, just a few less would help the flow :)
@pyromen321
Жыл бұрын
14:20 this is the opposite of what I’ve seen in industry. New grads typically are incapable of writing generic C++ code and by the time you become knowledgeable enough to write generic code, you’ve naturally accumulated the required wisdom to know when to not worry about writing generic code. There have been many times where I’ve had to rewrite a chunk of code completely because I wanted to reuse a very similar function/structure for something but found that I couldn’t make use of it without wrapping it with a ton of complexity.
@davedogge2280
Жыл бұрын
you should discuss Unity Assets from the store !
@Fanaro
Жыл бұрын
My video recommendations on KZitem have been working pretty well though, for years. But I do have to retrain it from time to time, filtering and clicking on purpose.
@markusaksli
Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the conversation but I would have really preferred if you let jonathan talk. The interruptions were pretty frequent and distracting.
@Elrog3
Жыл бұрын
20 minutes left, but I think Jon got to talk quite a bit. The hosts input was usually pretty short, being just enough to feed Jon ideas to talk about.
@abwuds7208
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much
@actualphysicalkelp
Жыл бұрын
I hate software. User interfaces are getting more complex. Too complex for normal people. Most regular people can barely use a computer. I do IT help desk work and programming (as well). Avg people do not know how to use a computer effectively. We've gone far beyond the simplicity of the axe in the tools needed to run society... It's quite concerning...
@sanjacobs6261
Жыл бұрын
I think the opposite. Especially on the web. Everything is oversimplified. Features and information are constantly being removed. Every button is now 30% the width of your screen.
@cyanmargh
Жыл бұрын
@@sanjacobs6261 I think he's talking about software for the job: 3d editors, video editors, ide. At first, it is quite difficult to navigate in any of them, because they are all oversaturated with poorly structured functionality.
@sanjacobs6261
Жыл бұрын
@@cyanmargh I tend to very quickly change software when doing those kinds of things, so maybe I've ended up using only the good ones, but in my experience, the usability (not speed) of most pro software if pretty great. The only issues I have are when they start hiding functionality from me. I suppose it's about knowing your target audience. Pro software like that should be complicated, and it's ok for it to be hard to use the first few weeks, because you'll be spending many hours pr day in it for the rest of your career in that field, and that is the period of time that they should and do optimize for. If we're talking about mom-level software like Word or Chrome, then I don't think it is the case that it is too complex to use for most people. Usually people don't know how to use computers because they don't use computers, they use phones and tablets.
@seriouscat2231
4 ай бұрын
Problem is not the amount of features. Problem is when the user can't proceed logically, but needs to instead figure out some arbitrary decisions by the programmers. Designers who can't design, who either hide everything or cram everything into one big pile.
@aaroninternet4159
Жыл бұрын
amazing discussion! Thanks!
@notsure4475
Жыл бұрын
Fascinating conversation Luke, I had no idea that Jonathan Blow is basically 'on our side'
@ax23w4
8 ай бұрын
I kinda wonder what his actual position on Ukraine is but as a Ukrainian I'm really afraid to hear it. It's getting more and more depressing over here.
@i_am_lambda
8 ай бұрын
I can't speak to Jonathan's view, but I can give you mine. The west was led to believe that the war would be a fast and easy win for Ukraine. In fact it's been a long and devastating conflict with a horrific loss of life. It would have been better to participate in peace talks and save lives on both sides, but there has been interference from the West to prevent this from happening. I feel a terrible sense of loss for the Ukrainian and Russian lives that have lost and have wished all along for a ceasefire. I do not believe that the western leaders miscalculated the cost of the war, but rather they have a number of other reasons to have wanted the war to continue. I'm afraid to say that many Ukrainian lives may have been spent by Zelenski knowing that it didn't ultimately accomplish anything. Very dark behaviour from leaders on both sides and many people's lives ruined as a result.
@nemikuuro
6 ай бұрын
@@i_am_lambda It's interesting that you believe that peace talks are the solution, when Russia wants so much for said "peace". Imagine it this way: another country invaded your country, killed a bunch of people, destroyed civilian infrastruktura, and now proposes you peace, but wants to take a bunch of your territory and prohibits you from getting any military help in the future. Does this sound fine to you? Would you agree to that? Or say some neighbor invaded your home with his friends, killed your daughter, you killed some of his friends. Now he agrees to peace, but wants part of your house to became his. Would you agree, would you be able to sleep at nights? I'm sorry if you find this response attacking, but as a Ukrainian I feel the whole "peace talks are the solution" topic lacks context.
@i_am_lambda
6 ай бұрын
So someone comes into my house with dozens of people with guns and ties up my family and offers to let them go if I give up ownership of part of the house. But when I refuse they start shooting my family one person at a time. And then after most of my family are dead they will take ownership of my house anyway. Forgive me if I value the lives of my family too much and choose to negotiate with the home invader. Zelinsky himself wanted to agree to a settlement before the US and Britain got involved. Both sides are complicit in the violence that has happened and it's tragic.
@nemikuuro
6 ай бұрын
@@i_am_lambda I agree that sunk cost fallacy of "so many of our people died for this, we can't let it be for nothing" is not a good argument when people's lives are at cost. I guess if we let the bully win and take what we wanted to - it only discredits the global system that failed to stop the bully. In a more perfect world, ideally, if global audience agrees that the invasion and killing is wrong - they would be able to stop it. I guess the reason some of the ukrainians want to continue fighting is that "after most of my family are dead they will take ownership of my house anyway" is not guaranteed in their mind, and they believe they can win - with enough support. Without it, obviously there is no chance of winning. So I guess our perspective differ in that regard: you either assume that trying to help Ukraine [fighting] is pointless (outcome is the same), or wrong (even if, say, Ukraine gets its territory back and repatriations - people are still dead, [so instead we should agree to whatever Russia wants and stop the war])?
@i_am_lambda
6 ай бұрын
Most people in the West (and I assume even moreso in Ukraine) were led to believe that Russia was going to collapse. Everything was reported as constant Russian failure and imminent Ukrainian victory for months. So if you bought that at the time, it would make sense to want to keep fighting and resisting. However, and I think this is probably what Jon and I were alluding to, this was obviously a lie. It wasn't a mistake, it was a deliberate misrepresentation of reality that has contributed to an enormous and tragic loss of lives
@sergesolkatt
Жыл бұрын
❤️
@nomadtrails
Жыл бұрын
Why did The Witness need its own bespoke game engine? (honest question)
@i_am_lambda
Жыл бұрын
I think Jon would say that he was able to do things by writing his own engine that would be impossible or more difficult otherwise - in particular optimising. The effort of writing your own engine seems overwhelming, but again Jon might argue that it isn't as hard as people think and also saves time fighting with a poorly made engine. There's also the licencing issue, which means you are at the whim of a third party for how much of your profits are taken. This is off the top of my head, so someone else might be able to find his own thoughts on the topic rather than my half remembered / speculation
@nomadtrails
Жыл бұрын
@@i_am_lambda thanks for your take on it
@chrisc7265
7 ай бұрын
You should check out some of Jon's talks/streams, he has a holistic approach to game design where everything from the code to the gameplay should be oriented towards the same purpose. If you know about the "twist" in The Witness, you can imagine the precision that takes, and how it'd be impossible without full control of the shaders, art, and engine.
@於琦-d4y
Жыл бұрын
粉丝来了!😘
@user-ov5nd1fb7s
Жыл бұрын
I think, you are correct to a degree but at the same time cynical and elitist. I agree that things are not going well now but you seem to be cheerleading the idea (I'm paraphrasing here) that people should lose their jobs because they are useless. You work as developers. Therefore, you must believe that your projects are very important and your skills are amazing and you shouldn't lose your jobs. Just for a moment, forget that this is about you and judge this premise coming out of somebody else's mouth. I am not familiar with Luke's work and very little with Jonathan. But he seems to have worked on games most of his career. One could argue that games aren't important and therefore could make similar assertions that it would be a good thing if he were to lose his job. My point is it would be more productive to find ways to improve the programming community, instead of hoping most of them get fired. We might not be the programming gods you are but most of us take are programming at heart and live a life of trying to get better.
@chrisc7265
7 ай бұрын
this is very small minded though it's like if someone is cooking a world class feast, and they order the best ingredients, but you jump in and are like, "no let's give these ingredients to the poor" this is not a discussion about welfare, it's a discussion about pushing towards greatness
@user-ov5nd1fb7s
7 ай бұрын
@@chrisc7265 That is not what i said at all. Let me simplify it for you. I said that according to his judgement his work is very important and very good and everybody else's isn't. The key word is his judgement. Who made him the programming authority? He invented nothing. He is just a guy who seems to be a good programmer and writes games. So what? I can give you a list of hundreds of programmers who actually invented stuff and pushed the field of programming forward. If what Jonathan is saying is true, then those people (Ken Thompson for example) can say Jonathan is not doing anything worthwhile so he should not have a job. Get it? There are tens of thousands of programmers on the level that Jonathan is. Jonathan is not special, although he would like to think he is.
@user-ov5nd1fb7s
7 ай бұрын
@@chrisc7265 Demand for programmers is driven by the same economic rules that govern any other business. It is above Jonathan's pay grade to say who should have work and who shouldn't. And honestly, it is not his business. He also hasn't done a survey to find out how good/bad the average programmer is. He also has little to non experience working in the industry (mostly worked on his stuff). So he is speaking and giving strong opinions on something he doesn't really have facts about. That is not a very smart thing to do. Jonathan thinks than the majority of the programmers are javascript idiots. While javascript is a popular language, the majority of programmers are not using javascript. Jonathan is a good programmer and a reasonably smart person but has some opinions that don't corespond with reality.
@chrisc7265
7 ай бұрын
@@user-ov5nd1fb7s this is the same exact scenario, but now you're walking in on the chef preparing a world class meal and saying, "there are 10,000 other chefs who can cook a world class meal! Stop at once!" You're just cycling through the excuses for nerddom here
@user-ov5nd1fb7s
7 ай бұрын
@@chrisc7265 you are not reading, so I am not gonna waste my time.
@buggy89
Жыл бұрын
23:43
@TennessseTimmy
Жыл бұрын
Haha as someone who Iives 60 km from Russia, it's very chill and I have 0 worries, no nightmares. If anything I now see that there is less to worry about, than I thought a year ago
@Argent7771
6 ай бұрын
Ukraine Cinematic Universe Shout Out
@beerus6779
Жыл бұрын
Don't be disparaged by some of these comments. They're just so fucking weird.
@VACatholic
Жыл бұрын
I think you might enjoy Tom Holland's (the author, not the spiderman) lecture "Tom Holland: Did Religion Exist in the Ancient World?". Dismissing the spiritual traditions because they make different claims is as daft as dismissing science because scientific theories make different claims. Just because people disagree doesn't mean there's a fact of the matter.
@mav45678
Жыл бұрын
I think Jon's point about youtube's "algorithms" being merely heuristics is overly pedantic. Dictionary's definiton of an algorithm is just "a process or set of rules to be followed in calculations or other problem-solving operations, especially by a computer." - which means it's basically a heuristic executed by a computer. The part about correctness or algorithm being studied in any formal way (via proofs etc.) is purely optional, and I don't most regular people even know that such things can be done with algorithms. So, KZitem and such are not really misleading people when they say their recommender engines run on algorithms.
@georgeokello8620
Жыл бұрын
Not really. I believe KZitem uses the word algorithm not in a correct technical sense but a market driven sense. Heuristic is dead on by the fact that algorithm requires concrete and defined steps which Google doesn’t even clarify what those rules are. It’s not even surprising that even most of Google’s engineers may not even know what those rules are as the entire infrastructure was created in an extremely complex manner that knowledge transfer of those boundaries get vague. Not to mention that Google’s upper management may not have an incentive to state these defined rules as it will clarify standards that KZitem has to uphold without unilaterally taking action on users based on the conditions of “appropriate content”
@GonziHere
10 ай бұрын
1:34:39 - george who? what did he single handedly... ?
@zhulikkulik
9 ай бұрын
George Hotz probably. And I assume they're speaking about him singlehandedly developing an AI car autopilot capable of self education.
@GonziHere
9 ай бұрын
@@zhulikkulik Thanks a lot. I appreciate it.
@rileymckenzie6276
5 ай бұрын
floyd
@peezieforestem5078
Жыл бұрын
Hello. I am watching Jon for a long time, and I agree with many of the things he says. However, his take on Ukraine needs clarification: I agree that there's propaganda about Ukraine, however, it is of a "dumming down" kind, the one that is technically not true, is heavily exaggerated, appeals to emotions, etc., but it still gets the right idea across. It's the kind of propaganda you would tell your kids when they asked where the babies come from - technically not true, but explained with an intent to convey the right idea, given that the true complexity cannot be easily conveyed. However, if he means to say anything else, then I strongly disagree. Especially him saying Putin seems like a straightforward guy. That guy is anything but a straightforward, all he ever tells is lies. To give you an example, during the previous year alone, he first said (March 8 2022) that there will be no mobilization, and that only professional army is doing his "special military operation". And then, in September 2022, he turns around and announces "partial mobilization", which you can look up how "partial" it is, given it has still not officially ended (it's April 2023).
@Anavski
Жыл бұрын
Jon would always say we are fed propaganda about x but never gives any examples
@ziccodx
Жыл бұрын
Do you have an example time stamp of Jon doing that? Just to put the value of prove ability on both sides
@peezieforestem5078
Жыл бұрын
@@ziccodx 1:15:33
@henrykkaufman1488
Жыл бұрын
yeah and he literally gave the example - nothing said about this makes sanse if you take into account the history. you have to know whats being said and whats the history though
@Anavski
Жыл бұрын
@@henrykkaufman1488 what was the example?
@Anavski
Жыл бұрын
@@henrykkaufman1488 this was word salad lacking any concrete information
@Fanaro
Жыл бұрын
You guys do realize that even those "frank" Putin responses are orchestrated and filtered, right?
@APaleDot
Жыл бұрын
WTF is he talking about in regards to Russia? Is he suggesting that it's actually totally fine that Russia invaded Ukraine and just won't explain the reason?
@madeinengland1212
Жыл бұрын
Educate yourself. Do the work.
@APaleDot
Жыл бұрын
@@madeinengland1212 Classic non-answer. Won't even tell me what it is you believe? How am I supposed to "educate" myself when you won't even tell me what I should evaluate? At least Jon said that you can just listen to Putin for the reasons for the invasion. The problem is that I've done that and the reasons are verifiably delusional and narcissistic. The natural conclusion is that Putin himself is delusional and narcissistic, but I have a feeling you don't like that conclusion. So why don't you just tell me what passes for unquestioned truth in this particular corner of the internet so I can go about verifying whether it's true or false?
@realityisenough
Жыл бұрын
For about 9 years since 2014, there has been constant shelling into Donbas etc from Ukraine. There were civilian deaths, there were bad things going on. Russia didn't just invade in a vacuum, but think for a moment on why you probably aren't aware and haven't heard any of this.
@APaleDot
Жыл бұрын
@@realityisenough I am aware there was fighting in the Donbas region. My understanding is that Russia was fueling an insurgency in eastern Ukraine, and that's where are the problems arose. I mean, Russia also invaded Crimea in 2014. Not sure why you didn't mention that.
@Jack-gp3rk
Жыл бұрын
@@realityisenough but who invaded Donbas first? It was Russia who wants to control Ukraine and restore its empire. But people from Eastern Europe lived through the shittines of soviet/russian empire, and that's why they all want to get out of russian influence. Especially if you take into context the full history of Ukrainian-Russian relations, like genocides, holodomor, no wonder that everyone wants to leave Russia behind. If you're living far in the Western Europa enjoy your comfort, but not everyone is that lucky.
@oscarsalesgirl296
10 ай бұрын
I cant believe Blow actually pretends it's an actual disease. He's definitely in some club where he has to play pretend. might explain all the stupid black hexagons in his game
@monfera
11 ай бұрын
Nit, while the programming related content is great, the host is WAY louder than the guest. Esp. when chiming in or interrupting with a raised voice. Maybe not a problem unless one listens to it via a headset. Btw. I stopped listening due to this and the frequent interruptions by the host, and not being interested in bad Putin takes
@temper8281
Жыл бұрын
Blow's wrong about simulations here I think. Games need to be more reactive. They need to produce results that are consistent with their own rules. You can't really do that without some level of simulation. Without that you get games that are very shallow. Fun, but shallow. I mean first person shooters haven't changed for 20 years. If anything they've become less reactive. Has that made them better? Not really. Sprinkling more simulation into the equation is the solution here
@APaleDot
Жыл бұрын
When a person in flying through the air, they typically can't arbitrarily control their movement, yet air control is common in games. They also can't double jump, so clearly the goal is not to simulate reality, but to give the player tools to solve problems in a satisfying way. I mean, as someone who generally prefers 2D games to 3D, the idea that games get better the closer they get to reality is just absurd.
@temper8281
Жыл бұрын
@@APaleDot simulation != Reality. I'm talking more about creating self contained systems that have consistent rules. Systems that react to player involvement in interesting ways. The level of interaction in AAA games has gone down and not up in recent years
@APaleDot
Жыл бұрын
@@temper8281 Well the talk about simulation at 1:49:00 was about "simulating reality". Generally, "simulate" as a verb means to fake or approximate something. If you just want more complex interactions in games, I'd say it depends on the game.
@Bestmann3n
11 ай бұрын
I find it embarrassing when tech people start talking about how society works. Even more so when they apply their "programming brains" to societal issues. It's arrogant and shows a complete lack of critical thinking and self awareness.
@i_am_lambda
11 ай бұрын
Who is allowed to have ideas about how society works? If those people learn about tech do they lose their right to talk about society? I'm afraid it is your opinion that lacks critical thinking and self awareness
@DavidDarrell
Жыл бұрын
While I nod my head and can agree, where's the AAA titles from Jonathan Blow???
@cheerwizard21
Жыл бұрын
The Witness is almost a AAA game. At least it's a unique game of a puzzle genre and has pretty big world for a such genre of a games. If you are waiting for new Skyrim or GTA6 kinda games - it will probably never happen. Since he is not trying to build some giant game, but instead a unique kinda game with a different experience and emotions that you will receive. Also it's almost impossible unless you have a really big budget with a lot of experienced artists and programmers. You don't need to be a genius to see that most of a software has regressions from year to year. If you are really experienced programmer like Jon, than you probably should have a mindset of how most softwares should really work. I think it will probably never change, just because of a "abstract programming" culture that we are in.
@hwstar9416
Жыл бұрын
im pretty sure he said he worked at game companies before making Braid
@turnkey_hole
Жыл бұрын
Cool interview, I really wish you weren't talking so much though. I found this interview because I know who Jon is and I searched for him specifically. I think that's likely to be the case for most people who listen to this interview. You interrupting him constantly felt like you were trying to elevate yourself.
@realityisenough
Жыл бұрын
I had no idea who Jon is. I'm here for Lamda, as are most. I did like The Witness tho
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