Makes it out of vietnam in one piece, and then spends the next 50+ years in comics and still has to work at 75. Appalling.
@jaycee_baron
7 ай бұрын
He's also contributed to Marvel and Hasbro making many millions, and should be duly compensated.
@jimconner3983
7 ай бұрын
shouldve been a plumber
@nerdrock8087
7 ай бұрын
Yeah, it would be much cooler if he was retired, but still worked on comics just for the love of the medium
@PsychoBible
7 ай бұрын
Ah, I see Vita is a woman when it's convenient.
@hawkingjim
7 ай бұрын
The saddest part to me is that the day these greats depart the mortal world, you can be sure Marvel will try to capitalize on their names by selling their remaining fans omnibuses and collector edition comics.
@FunPicard
7 ай бұрын
With suitable disclaimers to denounce problematic themes.
@spurnd
7 ай бұрын
"Comics will break your heart." -Jack Kirby
@rashidabdul3215
7 ай бұрын
I'm trying to break into doing digital art commissions myself. Yet, I have so many second thoughts saying I should just do it as a hobby and don't make it as a side hustle. Get a real job, paint and draw on the weekends and post it all on Sundays. If people want to order art, that's great! Start with 3 slots and work on them throughout the weekends. It is an impossibility to break into a creative industry nowadays to break even let alone make bank.
@eLWacKaZ
7 ай бұрын
I would rather buy a comic book written by ChatGPT than Vita Ayala, Tini Howard or Alyssa Wong ngl.
@sanaaamir3462
5 ай бұрын
Personally, I think that one by an AI where it called Batman "full time orphan" was absolutely perfect.
@steveanderson963
7 ай бұрын
I hate to see someone like Larry Hama who has worked his whole life in this situation. Yet you don't see him out there e-begging for rent money every month.
@DoomRulz
7 ай бұрын
Why the fuck doesn't he receive royalties?! That's absurd!
@ShawnSJames
7 ай бұрын
Comics are a work for hire business. You get paid per project and don't get any royalties for it.
@DoomRulz
7 ай бұрын
@@ShawnSJames Well that's a shit deal.
@glorkbork776
7 ай бұрын
No original IP, no royalties.
@sianais
7 ай бұрын
That's why they love the old system. They get creator level talent from dedicated creators that have no ownership rights over anything they create for the price of a regular worker.
@Urizen61
7 ай бұрын
@@ShawnSJamesAt one point, creators were getting royalties for their work. When did that change?
@blacksabre5343
7 ай бұрын
It's terribly sad. This is seems to be just like the reports on the Disney animation studio. Retire out the old guard who had EXPERIENCE and made them all that money in favor of the socially fashionable pets that the execs can trot out.
@milestrombley1466
7 ай бұрын
It's all about, "Look how stunning and brave we are, Twitter Lords!"
@stunsisacul
7 ай бұрын
I’m a bit taken back as to how Hama isn’t able to retire. Or how he owns no part of G.I. Joe royalties. The man created most of the lore and a lot of the characterizations.
@omegaman2846
7 ай бұрын
That Larry Hama post actually ruined my day. Usually that’s just an over dramatic expression, but I mean it as literally as possible. What kind of BS is that!
@TheShoguneagle
7 ай бұрын
This is a cautionary tale. If you become a creative, own your own work, or be a staunch negotiator if you’ve discovered lightning in a bottle. These companies will not take care of you.
@HappyDinosaur-rg4sl
7 ай бұрын
Marvel cares more about simping for diverse possible women, than the creators who made them popular
@2012sonora
7 ай бұрын
Writing isn't usually a way to make a stable living. Less than 1% of writers can pull this off. Anybody who's putting all their eggs in that basket is asking for trouble... UNLESS they've got control of their career, which ain't going to happen if everything you write is for IPs you don't own yourself.
@hope-cat4894
7 ай бұрын
Very few writers achieve what JK Rowling did with her ownership of her IP, unfortunately.
@2012sonora
7 ай бұрын
Basically if you're traditionally published, you own nothing that you create. Authors used to put up with it because it was the only way to get published and most authors hate marketing and the publishers did that for you. Neither is true anymore. It's not worth it.
@madmanga64
7 ай бұрын
To be fair, I think their new target audience, are people who ride the short bus to school
@nerdrock8087
7 ай бұрын
And like YoungRippa says, they probably 'like the IDEA of a character being race swapped, trans, or gay', yet don't actually buy or read the books
@freman007
7 ай бұрын
Larry Hama is one of the comics greats, and his situation really sucks. I wish I knew how to fix it.
@DamageIncWarchief
7 ай бұрын
If he ever does a crowdfund project....back the fuck out of it sohecan retire off of it.
@TheCUT-UP
7 ай бұрын
More than five masters, there is John Byrne's X-Men Elsewhen and J. M. DeMatteis is still getting the "nostalgia miniseries."
@registereduser
7 ай бұрын
The Milkshake Club
@Swanzy89
7 ай бұрын
My dad is 76 and yeah maybe Hama might be in better shape than him, but hearing someone around that age who had made stuff that I enjoy still having to work when he should be retired is heartbreaking. Reading the post has ruined my mood.
@SiouxTube
7 ай бұрын
I can definitely understand the frustration in this one. It's horrible a legend like Larry Hama in an industry once so well off you could live off your page rate and think about retirement can't even afford to stop working let alone retire. The big two could change that with him but, they've decided hunkering down in poverty while gambling on trying to make stories about the sexuality of their heroes is the key to the future. Horrific. It's one of the reasons when crowd funding blew up several years ago I was hoping Marvel or DC would see the light so to speak and maybe create their own crowd funding ventures on the back end for all us old - lol, I'm 35 - nasty old bigoted fans using older talent to give us what we want while Marvel and DC can fight for diversity scraps. Alas, they're honestly willing to let better old talent rot on the vine because of their skin color, politics, and social status. It's a total clown world.
@TonySylvesterOhio
7 ай бұрын
I actually commented on this because it was so disheartening
@billymccoy9155
7 ай бұрын
That was over a 5 year period? That's just over 54k a year. Wow. We are currently overpaying the charity cases, and we didn't know how under appreciated the talented ones were.
@GartheKnightReturns
7 ай бұрын
Christ on stick Zach, I just had lunch. Thumbnails like that are vomit inducing.
@otakubullfrog1665
7 ай бұрын
Forget the money wasted on the comics side, just imagine what they could afford if they took one of the two-hundred million dollar box office bombs that Disney regularly releases just to virtue signal these days and didn't even cancel it, but just cut it's budget in half.
@MaverickhunterXZero
7 ай бұрын
Boy, can't wait to see a few of these names pop up in the credits of the new X-men show and maybe some D+ Marvel series.
@GR-jw7ns
7 ай бұрын
Any way you would approach Larry Hama to work on one of your books Zack, or do you think he has you (wrongly) blacklisted due to the whole CG thing?
@spurnd
7 ай бұрын
Larry did a channel promo for Ethan, but you never really know who has you blocked.
@TonySylvesterOhio
7 ай бұрын
If Larry really needs the money as bad as he claims, then he can't really be that picky on where the work is coming from.
@zxyatiywariii8
7 ай бұрын
That would be awesome, and Zack (unlike Marvel or DC) pays his artists a worthy rate. If this is a possibility it would be a win for both of them!
@jamesburdo1058
7 ай бұрын
Zack has said that Hama hates him, so probably not.
@misterl0gic
7 ай бұрын
The screencap/thumbnail looked like a 90s sitcom. I think that's the only upside to this story.
@jaycee_baron
7 ай бұрын
Important video. Agree with the contempt in your voice.
@jonathanhaynes9914
7 ай бұрын
Thanks for turning me on to Madripoor Nights and Night Thrasher, would have missed these if you hadn't mentioned them.
@charlesharrison1907
7 ай бұрын
I enjoy Larry’s wolverine run and it breaks my heart that he doesn’t get the money and loyalties that he deserves. Larry has been foundational in a lot of things For Marvel and GI Joe.
@kenlsten4651
7 ай бұрын
75 and can’t afford to retire? WTF? Genuinely, thank you, Zack, for saving me from comics. I had no idea how toxic and pathetic the industry was until I started watching your channel in college.
@CERTAIND00M
7 ай бұрын
To quote NoHo Hank, "Well, that is a bummer."
@ziffy88
7 ай бұрын
This story is horrifying about Larry hama
@bstarjam466
7 ай бұрын
3:44 That Vita segment, I almost lost it😂. Wash she really learning disabled, and hand pocked by Zack Snyder for real?
@Jaxvidstar
7 ай бұрын
Your definition of diversity and Disney's is completely different.
@mixmastermurphy
7 ай бұрын
The Never-Cool Kids Club up in that thumbnail.
@sgtcomics
7 ай бұрын
This video should be played at the Kubert School, the School of Visual Arts, SCAD, wherever new comic creators are made. These are the results of giving the best years of your life and absolutely incredible work to corporate overlords for their ownership. This is the appeal of creator-ownership like Image and crowdfunding. Independent comics may not be successful, but if they are you reap the rewards yourself. No matter how many copies of GI Joe, Wolverine, Thor, etc. Larry Hama and Walt Simonson sold in the 80s, huge successes by any measure and still enjoyed today, the creators directly responsible for that are on their own.
@KNEELbeforeZ0D
7 ай бұрын
I will disagree with one of your DEI choices. Ram V is a good writer, who isn't creating generic stories. His Swamp thing was great, and his Batman run is long & drawn out, but is unique & a great new take on a Batman story. But I don't understand why every new write since Tom King needs to beat Batman down so much before he comes back up. They all want to deconstruct him.
@Erikjust
7 ай бұрын
Simple because they want to break conventions, think outside the box break the rules who they think are only made for fools. What they don´t understand is that the rules and the box exists for a reason. And if you don´t understand that reason you aren´t producing good art, you are just making garbage.
@The_Burning_Sensation
7 ай бұрын
Well, sure, it's awful, but let's not take our eye off the ball. Several cowardly shlubs were able to avoid being Twitter bullied, and I hear Heather Antos even complimented one of them on his ukulele music. That's the important thing.
@darioscomicschool1111
7 ай бұрын
10:00 Thank you for this Video. It is a Sad State.
@chrissawyer1484
7 ай бұрын
I have a personal beef wirh Hama because he was a jerk toward my brother, but he doesn't deserve this. What mind of contract did he sign with Marvel? Only asking because EVS gets royalties from DC, but he never talks about any Marvel pay.
@Elerad
7 ай бұрын
God dang. Rough to hear that about a great creator like Larry Hama.
@stephenc2527
7 ай бұрын
Glad you popped for calculator....
@theritchie2173
7 ай бұрын
It probably wasn't deliberate phrasing on your part, but thanks anyway for making me puke at the mental image of those other talentless hack frauds "handling Vita's overspill".
@Tonydash23
7 ай бұрын
954 stories nobody will ever care about ...
@emoninjasucks
7 ай бұрын
YBZ, perhaps you coukd reach out on the downlow to see if Larry needs assistance starting a crowd funded project. As an elder, he may not be familiar with the process or be intimidated by fulfillment.
@zxyatiywariii8
7 ай бұрын
Yes!!!
@CollegeDroputPowerpoints
7 ай бұрын
If the comic book industry existed when the Sistine chapel was being made Michelangelo would have died broke after making a blm statue with the marvel logo on it.
@Ultra_Light_Beam
7 ай бұрын
Wait, I just realized.. the writers say they are bi only ever hetero relationships but the characters that are made bi only ever have homosexual relationships.
@P.T.S.E.
7 ай бұрын
I know what you are trying to get at, but that's a bit too simplistic calculation. In the creation of a book, there are much more expenses involved. For comparison, if you make a sandwich with spoiled mayo, you cannot just say that the price for that mayonnaise was a bad investment, as you have lost all the other ingredients by creating that sandwich. So by using spoiled mayo, you also lost all the cost of those ingredients. Then you have to factor in that someone may buy your faulty product, so you may recoup some of your expenses, reducing your loss. Then there are two more factors you have to consider: 1) they probably got assignments that they got paid for, but it was so bad, it did not even got made it into a book, and 2) the unrealized income that they missed out on if they were to employ a better writer instead, who could have produced a book that made profits or better profits. And if you want to really dig deep into it, you can add to the cost all the lost revenue from the drop in readership, who are most likely would not come back to the title even if the writer is changed. When you have calculated all of that, you will have the cost of the decision to employ these people. But if you want to keep things simplistic, it is enough to calculate the unrealized higher profit per books if there were better writers creating them, which for example, would mean a $1.9 million wasted with just a $2,000 increase in profits per titles. And considering profit margins, that would mean 1,000 to 2,000 more books sold per title, which is not that unrealistic.
@FunPicard
7 ай бұрын
Comics is coming to resemble a dystopian story in which civilisation is reliant on failing technology nobody understands, the builders and maintainers having long since died.
@miguelvalladares1986
7 ай бұрын
Is not good for you and Independent creators. Man your competition is auto destroy, let them. You Create better product and what win the market.
@SaviorCross
7 ай бұрын
"The trouble with loyalty to a cause … is that the cause will always betray you." - Lockdown
@jnever9768
7 ай бұрын
"chat gpt level of imagination" LOL
@WarGhoulKharas
7 ай бұрын
Only three of those look like women. However, it is a spot on representation of what Marvel has become infected by.
@zxyatiywariii8
7 ай бұрын
@@marcogenovesi8570I can't squint that hard.
@Zanname
7 ай бұрын
Sweet baby jesus, it just gets worse and worse.
@Darrylizer1
7 ай бұрын
Not raising your page rate in 30 years is a "you" problem.
@zackwarrington7272
7 ай бұрын
Well in america these days. No one can afford to retire really.
@robinmohamedally7587
2 ай бұрын
What's Urkel doing there? But also....can he have a piece of CHEEEEEEEESE?
@mikewilsonart144
7 ай бұрын
I can't feel too sorry for Larry. Anyone can do the math and see that page rates dont match the rising cost of living and see that it isn't going to work. You can't retire let alone survive in an industry that has been financially dysfunctional for so many decades. He's smart enough to see this and still stayed the corse into economic oblivion.
@Urizen61
7 ай бұрын
Shouldn't Larry be getting royalties from GI Joe reprints? Isn't Marvel legally obligated to pay him royalties?
@hughdelaterra9004
7 ай бұрын
They should have pulled the ripcord when Image started. How's that old saying go? Leave the party before the party leaves you. They must have been sick on the day they taught that one in school....
@DunkSouth
7 ай бұрын
"Why yes I paid extra for this tablet." My brother it is the Windows 11 calculator. 😆
@nickclarkart
7 ай бұрын
I like your timeline that you have built so far, but I feel like it is just the tip of the iceberg. There has been an underlying issue, going way back. That started the bleeding off of longtime readers. It is the corporate homogenization of the Big two, particularly Marvel where it is most obvious. When the MCU kicked off with Marvel making films themselves. They began letting the Film Rights dictate the story in the comics. Remember when they killed off The FF and X-Men in favor of The Inhumans because Fox had the rights? Those practices along with the desperate events twice a year that rewrite the status quo over and over. Then you get to the toxic cesspool of the Bleeding Cool and CBR forums, That had Editor Steven Wacker learning How to Troll fans and bringing In Dan Slott. They were fun boards before that. Bleeding Cool Dropped the forum entirely shortly thereafter. This new Wave of woke, I believe is also Corporate Mandated DEI that has resulted in the coddling of these terrible writers you mention. You know, the ones that have 200 projects in a couple years, but are still begging for cash handouts on twitter. Just hemorrhaging readers with each decision since 2008, GO deeper Zack, The truth is out there.
@kathrineici9811
7 ай бұрын
He should try to get a new job geez Big comics don’t deserve his dedication He could become a mailman and get a pension
@lydiastarbreeze929
7 ай бұрын
Saw the picture, explains why these shows and movies suck so bad.
@jasonnorth7898
7 ай бұрын
Hard to know how to feel about this one. On one hand, Hama consistently comes across as an unpleasant individual in every exchange he has, post he makes, or story I've ever heard about him. He doesn't have time to open unsolicited mail, but he by god has time to post to the internet about it between virtue signals. Then I look at the letter--I sent a couple of these to creators when I was 10 to 13--and I realize this had to be a forty or fifty year old adult sending such a thing in 2024. I suppose I get Hama being annoyed on this, but honestly, sometimes maybe he should miss the opportunity to complain in a public forum to a general audience.
@doommega
7 ай бұрын
that tweet is hard tho - meanwhile that screenshot w those girls everytime i see that I'm reminded of the legion of substitute heroes LOL
@mikem3543
7 ай бұрын
If I was hired as some sort of manager and saw that thumbnail was my team, I’m walking.
@Shoptalk4307
7 ай бұрын
Wow! Things have changed! Didn't realize this was a thing.
@AboveAverageIntelligence
7 ай бұрын
Vita lookin like the main character of a 90's family sitcom.
@seminolewind158
7 ай бұрын
Reminds me of the little girl offed in v for vendetta! It’s over!
@logicalphallusry
7 ай бұрын
At least it's a nice play on the meme. "And nothing of value was gained"
@ryananderson5202
7 ай бұрын
Its the new economy.
@indiecomicsjones
7 ай бұрын
Holy s+++!
@MangaMattReviews
7 ай бұрын
Larry Hama and a lot the older comic Pros had the problem of working in a comics environment pre-Image comics. That is to say, a time when you really only had Marvel or DC to work for. Granted, SOME pros get some kind of stipend or a check when their book is reprinted maybe, those are uncommon. Vast majority is a flat page rate and thats all you get. Image gets founded and now you own your work and everything that goes with it. Theres risks involved, but if youre talented and consistent its better overall. You get a cut from any reprints of the trades, the HC, the omnis, and merch. The problem with the older pros is, not to insult or diminish their achievements, their best works and most iconic are behind them and Marvel/DC owns them. The guys on Cartoonist Kayfabe said as much during a "Wizard Magazine" episode, i believe. To paraphrase, "Why would I ever give the big two my best ideas and best stories? Id save that shit for when i jump ship to Image and Dark Horse so i can earn more and retain a passive income off it." Am i saying these newer writers are intentionally not writing as good as they can? No. Theyre collecting a check. What i am saying is you cant retire from comics working for the big two unless you go "company man" route. Imagine how good Ed Brubaker is and would still be if he wasnt doing his best stuff at image. Rick Remender too. Brian K Vaughns saga isnt as popular but still pulls good numbers. Erik Larsen just mails all his Savage Dragon issues to their places because his fan base is so devoted that theyre no going to stores for it.
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