As a new Christian the greatest advice given to me was "be careful with, and stay away from Dispensationalism." Now after having studied the system for more than 10 years, I can see that it is heretical, totally false, and like all false teachings, will fade away.
@SpotterVideo
2 жыл бұрын
New Covenant Whole Gospel: Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) Watch the KZitem video “The New Covenant” by Bob George.
@inlonging
2 жыл бұрын
Wish someone had told me that!! Instead I got caught up with the dispensationalists, who went by a different name, of course, lies of omission and all that, and they led me as astray as they could.
@petergouvignon8048
2 жыл бұрын
@@inlonging beware of Calvinism, doctrine's of faith Westminster etc any system, stick to scripture
@SpotterVideo
2 жыл бұрын
@@petergouvignon8048 You cannot find the term "New Covenant" in the man-made confessions of the Calvinists, but it is found in the Bible. Read the recent book "The Foundation of Augustinian-Calvinism" by Ken Wilson, if you want to understand the origin of this doctrine. Augustine was attempting to explain how infants could become the "elect" through water baptism. Since the child had not come to faith, it must be based on the will of another. It could have nothing to do with the will of the child.
@inlonging
2 жыл бұрын
@@petergouvignon8048 😂😂😂 my Reformed brethren were very clear the angle they were coming from when they began to help me unravel the lies of the covert dispensationalists. Lies of omission, teaching me from fiction novels and sensationalist movies, a ridiculous story made up only a few hundred years ago while calling themselves just “Christians” ?-sounds a lot like Mormon tactics. The cults of the US are all very similar in that manner.
@shelbymoon1429
7 ай бұрын
I’m a PCA pastor and appreciate your ministry. Thank you for your faithful labors.
@samsdad110
Ай бұрын
How about reaching out to Joel to clear up his error on baptism and church government.
@beaulin5628
Жыл бұрын
Romans 11:17 "And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;" Romans 11:18 "Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee."
@juandoming6688
5 ай бұрын
If u believe Israel has a seperate promise from thee church, u then believe the Gospel and Calvary are not final and u have diminished his ressurection.
@koolkid1234ism
28 күн бұрын
Well it’s what scripture says, so
@wwb4tpodcast
11 ай бұрын
Your channel has been blessing me so much lately... thanknyou
@RightResponseMinistries
10 ай бұрын
Praise God. Thank you.
@johnredacted5141
2 жыл бұрын
I would love to hear more scripture when dismantling dispensationalism. people always attempt to use analogies when describing the trinity and it always falls flat. God already described to us the Trinity in scripture so i dont know why we need to figure out a more clever way than God when describing it. same concept applies to dispensationalism. God describes whether dispensationalism is true or not in his Word. I always appreciate your ministry!
@ferrosjewellers4558
2 жыл бұрын
The only way for this preacher to dismantle the dispensation of grace is to butcher the word of God.
@TheJpep2424
2 жыл бұрын
@@ferrosjewellers4558 as you dismantled the message of the video which was not about grace. But about dispensation and how it relates to Israel.
@essenceofgrowing7804
Жыл бұрын
Find a video by Jim Staley called Identity Crisis where he goes through this pretty effectively. Note: One always needs to remember that gentiles were always able to be grafted in. The rejection of messiah by Jewish leadership (but not all in Judea) was more of a turning point and less to be considered a tipping point. After all there was a partial blindness (used by God to result in the crucifixion) and gentiles were always able to be grafted in. Yet the gospel was to go out to the Jew first (the unbelieving Judeans) and then to the gentiles. Note 2: Grace was and is found all throughout the Old Testament scriptures. New covenant promises did not include antinomianism. Jesus and his disciples and the following believers continued in The Way for a few hundred years after, and even beyond, until gentile Christianity (namely Catholicism) became the watchdogs of heresy. We find that the book of Romans was actually written to warn and ward off the beginnings of Replacement Theology. Obviously the church there ignored Paul’s warning. When you read that book from that angel, which was written as a letter to that church, that he never started, it makes a whole lot more sense. We see the thrust of why he wrote it. Calvinist fail to understand that election, which means chosen, is found early in the first five books. God choses a people, promises to scatter them and then promises to regather them. The mystery was how would God regather them… cause if they returned… in spiritual adultery… they would defile the land. The messiahs death - as head of the church- would take the place of the adulterous wife- and die- making it possible for one new man- bringing together the northern kingdom and southern kingdom- and the gentiles would hear of it also as the message of this good news went out.
@masonbooth2363
Жыл бұрын
For a even deeper study of this topic and Dispensationalism check out Steve Gregg and his Narrow Path Ministries…he is the best Bible teacher I have listened to..and this is coming from someone who graduated from an evangelical seminary and has read extensively…Steve has a way of simplifying very difficult topics. Additionally, Steve is one of the most humble guys u will ever meet. He has the audacity to even admit that he is not sure what some scriptures mean but will offer up several possible answers, leaving room that he might be wrong..we need more like him!!
@toddott633
10 ай бұрын
@@ferrosjewellers4558 "rightly dividing" as defined by dispensationalism IS butchering scripture
@doctrinalwatchdogactive6454
2 жыл бұрын
Respectfully, not all dispensationalists believe in two paths of salvation, most don't. Bible never says the church is Israel.
@richardtrapnell1717
2 жыл бұрын
I understand why Joel is talking about this because of the text he is preaching on but it feels like he doesn't actually know any dispensationalists.
@AmillennialMillenial
2 жыл бұрын
Most don’t believe that today, but this concept, along with other errors such as the gospels not being intended for Christians, are fundamental to dispensationalism. I don’t understand why dispensationalists today have mostly dropped these errors, but continue to hold to the rest of it, when these errors are fundamental to the theology.
@khaccanhle1930
2 жыл бұрын
Well, if you read ALL the major formulators of Dispensationalism, they ABSOLUTELY said there were two separate paths of salvation. If you take your theology to its logical conclusions, that what you get. And yes, the church is EXPLICITLY described as the true: Israel, Abrahams Children, Jerusalem, and Temple. Romans, Galatians, Peter, and Hebrews make that clear. I was a Die-hard Dispensationalist for 20 years. I read most major Dispy theologians voraciously. Then I made a "mistake" and began to read: earlier Church Theologians, church history, and the Bible. Dispy theology was a 19th century "innovation" completely absent in prior centuries. I've already read several church leaders of the first 3 centuries: Justin, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Eusebius, to name a few. A rebuilt temple, re-gathered Israel, 7 year Tribulation...? Totally absent from ALL of them. I know it's hard to swallow this: Most good Christians in the west have been taught a MASSIVE error for the past 130 years. Wake up, you've been lead astray.
@AmillennialMillenial
2 жыл бұрын
@@khaccanhle1930 very well outlined.
@jeannet7443
2 жыл бұрын
@@richardtrapnell1717 My question is, how exactly does he define a dispensationalist?
@Daniel_Antonio_Arellano782
Жыл бұрын
You are not destroying dispensationalism. You are explaining it. This is how I have come to believe. Through years and years of searching. You just preached the gospel as I understand it.
@PD-iu9bn
Жыл бұрын
Amen. Dispensationalism is the only way to understand it that makes total sense of all the scriptures.
@Shadow-Man-vz8sv
Жыл бұрын
@PD-iu9bn Dispensationalism is a false ecclesiology that makes the church age the result of a failure of God's redemptive plan in history, is a novelty and alien to Christianity.
@ministryoftruth1451
Жыл бұрын
@@PD-iu9bn Yet it doesn't make sense and contradicts scripture. Jews do not all go to heaven based on the fact that they are Jews. There is not a third rebuilding of the temple. There is no more temples to be built. There is not three comings of the Lord. He will come again once and for all for all believers to reign in the New Jerusalem. there is no rapture prior to this second coming. Dispensationalism is a modern eschatology and has only become prominent in the last hundred and fifty years.
@tommyd8418
11 ай бұрын
@@PD-iu9bn👏👏👏amen! Once one sees & understands biblical dispensations, there is no other way. One cannot ignore or unsee dispensational truths...unless they're doing it On Purpose to further their lusts
@PD-iu9bn
11 ай бұрын
@@tommyd8418 exactly. When you recognize how it’s laid out suddenly it all makes sense.
@Contramundum429
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Please continue to produce this truth. Dispensationalism has neutered Christians.
@SteffanRhoads
2 жыл бұрын
Dispensationalism seems to require pre-mil but which has been a worse influence is arguable and not important once we learn to say no.
@noneofyourbusiness9635
Жыл бұрын
@@SteffanRhoads God is a Spirit and so are his people. The mirage in the Middle East is called colonization under the guise of prophecy. It’s no different than what was done in the past.
@anthonyleake5002
10 ай бұрын
I’m not sure if most dispensationalist disagree with what you’ve said in that short video. Israel of the Old Testament was made promises that are apart from the Gentile believers. They must be fulfilled. They also must come to salvation through the shed blood of Christ. “They will look upon Him whom they have pierced “ and repent. Zac 12
@cantablocal6768
Ай бұрын
Did you never hear of a conditional promise? Read Jonah for an illustration then Deuteronomy 28 taking notice from verse 63. God came to save His people and they rejected and crucified Him, read the vineyard parable in Mark 12:1-12 for another explanation.
@biblehistoryscience3530
11 ай бұрын
He's refuting Dual Covenant Theology, NOT Dispensationalism. They need to fix the headline.
@jamesba-xd7xf
6 ай бұрын
this guy is 100% Dispensationalist as he believes in the "end times" God will save all jews. nowhere does the NT teach any such thing.
@dpastor6631
5 ай бұрын
No, he's refuting Dispensationalism.
@bradwhitt6768
4 ай бұрын
@@dpastor6631 He isn't refuting anything. In fact I could debunk all these turds in about 5 minutes using the old testament in conjunction with the new.
@VndNvwYvvSvv
4 ай бұрын
@@bradwhitt6768 So do it and link it here. Be sure to tag me so I can see it.
@bradwhitt6768
4 ай бұрын
@@VndNvwYvvSvv What does the fullness of the GENTILES mean if the church is now Israel then turd? Is Zachariah 12 now referring to the chruch when it says Israel even though it references some of the tribes of Israel? It's almost like if I believe your garbage you spill here I have to rewrite the whole bible and spirtualize everything. None of it would make sense. Guess God got it wrong when he chose Israel. Guess he couldn't see that far into the future. Take your replacement heresy and shove it. Jews are our friends to be preached to just as Paul did. To the Jew first.
@AO-jd9cp
2 жыл бұрын
I am a seminary trained Dispensationalist who is a pastor and you're treating Dispensationalism like Arminians often treat Calvinism. 1. Strawmaning the view 2. Condemning the miss-application of Dispensational principles rather than that which is endemic to Dispensationalism (i.e. like Arminians saying Calvinists don't believe in evangelism because of their view of the sovereignty of God.) If your theology justifies disobedience you have a bad theology. If a Dispensationalist is not active serving Christ because his eschatology leads him to do so, he's unfaithful and needs correction (2 Thess 3:11-14). 3. Condemning what some Dispensationalists might have held to at one time but no one believes anymore. Namely the idea that there were two ways to God from the Old and New Testaments. (i.e. Like Arminians condemning Calvinists because some in the past forbade mission work.) All I'm saying is, I would love to have a conversation with you in person, on your show, on my podcast, or however you would like. I think we can have, I trust, a meaningful conversation and put together a gracious and edifying time. I've succinctly explain true dispensationalism below. Here is the correction to my faithful brother in Christ to whom I speak respectfully. Foundational to Dispensationalism are three important beliefs. 1. Consistent hermeneutical principles that take genre into account. Another way to say that is the same principles you bring to historical passages like the gospels you bring to prophetic passages like Isaiah and Revelation. Principles like: A. Seek Authorial Intent B. Take the plain meaning of the text rather than insert your own meaning or read a spiritualized meaning into it. C. Let scripture speak using the words that the Holy Spirit inspired and compare scripture with scripture to investigate its meaning. This is what leads to a Pre-mil position by the way which I know you reject. 2. All epochs of God's working with humanity ultimately end with the bulk of men rejecting God, God preserving a remnant of His own, and God being glorified in saving and judging. The testimony of scripture is that there will be few righteous within the grand scope of humanity (Matthew 7:14, 22:14, Revelation 20:8). The testimony of scripture is that society gets worse and not better (2 Timothy 3:1ff). Though the end times will see a great revival (Revelation 7:1ff), The world will see catastrophic world wide judgments that befall the wicked world before Christ returns. Notice the clear meaning of the judgments presented in Revelation 6-19 and that the words "The whole world" are mentioned in Revelation 12:9 and 16:14 describing the scope of certain of those judgments. 3. God has an eschatological plan for ethnic Israel that includes their future acceptance of their messiah (Zech 12:10ff, Romans 11:25-27, Revelation 7:1-9)
@SpotterVideo
2 жыл бұрын
Based on John 19:37 and Acts chapter 2, was Zechariah 12:10 fulfilled during the first century? Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ? (Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30) The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations? 1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8) 2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ? 3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds? 4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh? 5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers? 6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"? 7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? 8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.) 9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? 10. Watch the KZitem video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church. Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology. Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church: “The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.” Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107. Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.” Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323. John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated… "...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.” John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.) What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth? Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups? Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13? Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
@AmillennialMillenial
2 жыл бұрын
If those three elements are all there is to what you subscribe to as dispensationalism, then may I ask why you still call yourself a dispensationalist? Dispensationalism, as promulgated by Darby and the Scofield reference Bible has much more to it than that. You mentioned a future plan for ethnic Israel in eschatology, and though not a dispensationalist myself, I can accept that statement alone as a reasonable possibility based on Romans 11. Perhaps there will be large numbers of Jews turning to Christ close to the end. But dispensationalism has historically held that this entails the millennial kingdom in which animal sacrifice is reinstituted. Would you hold to that view? Also, does "ethnic Isreael" refer to the modern nation state, the Jews in Israel, all Jews throughout the world, or all of the above? Also I agree that strawmanning based on poor behavior of some is irrelevant and should be avoided. The fact that some premils “give up” is irrelevant to the truth. But this does cut both ways. Amillennials are often accused of “not taking the Bible seriously”, being anti Semitic, and sometimes it seems that some pre trib rapture believers are under the impression that amillennials don’t believe in a second coming at all.
@AO-jd9cp
2 жыл бұрын
Spotter and Caleb, First, I want to commend you for the civility in which you've engaged me here on this video. Thank you for demonstrating a loving and, I believe, genuine interest in understanding a Dispensational vantage point. I will attempt to engage you with the same loving, biblical care that you have to me. Spotter, In my interactions with my Reformed brethren, I've come to realize that they don't believe in Replacement theology. That is a strawman mischaracterization of their view. If a dispensational person does that, he is misinformed of the Reformed. I think that renders a good portion of your questions answered. I would encourage you to check out this podcast from a Dispensational seminary in Detroit. It goes through the misconceptions on both sides but primarily from our Covenantal brethren to Dispensationalism. It's very insightful. podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/covenantal-and-dispensational-theologies-w-mark/id1591223978?i=1000550653366 Regarding the two people of God idea, Ephesians is clear that God is joining together Jew and Gentile into one body (Ephesians 2:14-16). We don't believe in a two people of God view. There is one spiritual people of God that is the church. Yet God does have a plan to bring a remnant of Jews, the ethnic children of Abraham, to repentance and faith and that will be worked out in the eschaton (Rom 11:25-27, Revelation 7:1ff) When we engage with a historically wrong view of theology, we ought to ask the question, "Do people with that title really believe this now?" If they don't and we treat people as if they do, then we muddy the waters and villify brethren in Christ which can bring unrighteous division to the body. Caleb, In answering your question, Does one call himself a Calvinist and thus subscribe to all that Calvin taught? Would an Arminian subscribe to everything Arminius taught? I think that when we equate everything the attributed founder taught to what people believe now, the waters get muddied. To your question on a millennial kingdom, I do believe that there will be a millennial kingdom based on a natural interpretation of Revelation 20. I also believe that the detailed blueprints found in Ezekiel 40-46 describe a temple that is yet to be built presumed to be in the millennial kingdom. When it comes to the sacrifice of animals, Here is how I'd answer that. The answer I would provide is under the category of "It seems best to say this but we won't know until the time comes." 1. Sacrificing of animals is described in Ezekiel 40:41-43 as well as 44:11 and 44:30. 2. Dispensationalists strive for consistent hermeneutics and the key to understanding the fulfillment of future prophecy is to examine previous prophecies and how they were fulfilled. For example, I often ask the question how was Isaiah 7:14 and the virgin birth fulfilled? Was He born literally of a virgin? Was it figuratively a virgin? We obviously would argue for a literal fulfillment of prophecy on that one. Now there's debate on other types of fulfillment and we obviously shouldn't presume to understand every permeation of how every prophecy would be fulfilled. 3. As a result of that, it seems best to say that there might be some form of sacrifice in the future kingdom. HOWEVER, No dispensationalist would argue that animal sacrifices would be reinstituted for the purpose of the remission of sins. Many believe that should we be right about that, that any sacrifice would be done in a memorial sense rather like communion being done, "In remembrance of me." It doesn't affect our worship now. It doesn't change what we do now. We'll find out when the time comes. Ethnic Israel refers to the biological seed of Abraham that has been scattered throughout the world this includes people who will live in Israel in the day in which they come to repentance. I'm with you, Caleb, on that last part. The best way to eliminate straw men is to talk to someone or read someone who actually holds that view. We don't win arguments by strawmanning the other side. Covenantal brethren should move past Darby and Schofield and read this concise and more modern book by Michael Vlach which I've given below. Then engage in conversation. [It's also free on kindle.] www.amazon.com/Dispensationalism-Essential-Beliefs-Common-Myths/dp/0979853923/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3UOITQ3RY1MX6&keywords=michael+vlach+dispensationalism&qid=1654709196&sprefix=michael+vlach+di%2Caps%2C232&sr=8-1
@SK-mz4cq
2 жыл бұрын
John MacArthur would run circles around this “pastor” in a debate.
@AO-jd9cp
2 жыл бұрын
@@SK-mz4cq I don't think John MacArthur does debates. I appreciate Joel and would come to his defense on that one. From my vantage point, I think he's qualified and gifted as a preacher and a pastor. I just think he's misinformed. It's easy when you receive explanations from one's own camp about something that isn't believed within that camp. Just like I was misinformed about Covenant theologians believing Replacement Theology.
@julied4330
6 ай бұрын
Yes and Amen ❤
@edwardhershberger6267
Жыл бұрын
I'm beginning to lean more towards post millennium. definitely dont hold to Schofieldism dispensationalism... so many things dont add up to that view for me,and biblically
@robharrell-xd2pi
Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Well said!
@johananswedlund7149
16 күн бұрын
Dispensationalism is nothing more than the literal grammatical interpretation of Scripture. Dispensationalism doesn't teach to ways of salvation. The promise to Abraham was not salvation rather earthly in the same way the promise for the church is not earthly but heavenly. The two promises are parallel
@christopherlarson2520
10 ай бұрын
Where is the dismantling?
@tiptop9909
7 ай бұрын
Many believers have been misled to think that the ‘church‘ has replaced ‘Israel,’ which is known as ‘replacement theology.’ The enemy has caused people to assign the Heavenly Father’s promises to physical Jews, instead of understanding that the promises are to the Commonwealth of Israel, which is made up of believing Jews and Gentiles. Romans 2:28-29 tells us that a Jew is one inwardly, whose heart is circumcised. “For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.” The ‘seed‘ of Abraham points to Messiah and those who believe in Him. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob/Israel, David, Daniel, etc., all believed that the Anointed One would atone for their sins. We look back on that event. Because most believers don’t understand that they are Israelites, as the enemy has misled them by putting people called Jews in the Zionist state of Israel, and proclaim that they are ‘God’s Chosen People.’ Messiah foretold these Jews in Zionist Israel when He proclaimed in Revelation 3:9, that they are “of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie.” As we have seen, the 70'week period represented another opportunity for the chosen nation to demonstrate faithfulness to God. Though Israel had sinned more than “seven times,” God’s forgiveness toward the nation was extended to “seventy times seven.” Near the close of this period. One greater than the prophets would come. Then Israel’s destiny as a nation would be determined by her response to God’s Son. Looking His antagonists squarely in the eye, Jesus declared in words of burning truth, “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it” (verse 43). The Master Himself said it. The kingdom of God would be “taken” away from unbelieving Israel in the flesh and given to another “nation.” Why? Because of their horrific sin of crucifying “the Son” (see verses 38-39). Israel’s decision to crucify Christ would have permanent consequences. The pain was on God’s side. It was unbelieving Israel that divorced herself from Christ, her Faithful Lover, not vice versa. ”The Jews killed Christ.” No! This idea has horribly, unjustly, and cruelly fueled anti Semitism for almost 2,000 years. It was not primarily “the Jews” who killed Christ, although there was a group of Jewish leaders who instigated His death. On a deeper level, it was really proud human nature resisting the humble One. It was your nature and mine. Jesus Christ died for “the sins of the whole world” According to the New Testament, believing Jews and believing Gentiles are now one. The two combined are “Abraham’s seed” (Galatians 3:29). This is “the Israel of God” (Galatians 6:15'16). This “mystery” has been accomplished by our Messiah’s painful passion. He did it. When He died. He demolished the wall. Now think about it. Should Christians gather theological bricks and rebuild the wall Jesus Christ died to abolish? Wouldn’t this be an “anti-Christ” thing to do? For those familiar with the term, this is not “replacement theology,” which teaches that “the Church” has categorically “replaced” Israel. Neither is it “separation theology” (dispensationalism’s opposite error), which teaches the unbiblical notion that God’s Israel and God’s Church are two distinct entities-and never the twain shall meet. Rather, the truth is an “Israel of God” theology (Galatians 6:14T6), which sees God having one faithful Israel throughout history composed of true Israelites and true Gentiles.
@darkfielddiggermicrosafari
6 ай бұрын
*@tiptop* So you believe the devil put the Jews in the "Zionist State"? Be careful when you ascribe the placement of fleshly descendants of Jacob in the land now known as Israel as a work of the 'enemy' . You better tread carefully here. I and many others believe that there are many passages in the Holy Scriptures which indicate that _God would accomplish this_ . Isaiah 11 for one example. I suppose (extending your line of reasoning) that it is also the 'enemy' that has preserved them down through the intervening centuries just so that he could fool us all in 1948 and 1967? Its a pity you put that line of thought in your comment, it spoiled a lot of good theology.
@beaulin5628
Жыл бұрын
Jeremiah 31: 35 "Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: " 36 "If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. " 37 "Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD."
@benjaminstevens3983
7 ай бұрын
Does this guy not understand dispensationalust believe jews as a nation will come to a recognition of what Jesus had done?. At Zecharia 12:10 They will look upon him whom they had peirced
@kevincourtney7312
7 ай бұрын
So much bad teaching out there. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Who are the 144,000, certainly not JWs.
@SteffanRhoads
2 жыл бұрын
I liked the teaching but didn’t really hear how this dismantled dispensation. (Not that I’m any longer in agreement with that obfuscation of eschatology.) The Jews established, corporately, that they rejected God from Mt Sinai. The analogy of the olive tree works very well (but like all analogies only goes so far). For some reason I’m not enamored of the scaffolding analogy but then I’m not a fan of obfuscation but try to dive into the details to obtain understanding (my weakness?). I do appreciate the level and self-control.
@SpotterVideo
2 жыл бұрын
Watch the KZitem video "The New Covenant" by Bob George. The New Covenant dismantles Dispensationalism. Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
@SteffanRhoads
2 жыл бұрын
@@SpotterVideo I will check that out. Thank You
@callienn
8 ай бұрын
The reason the Olive Tree analogy works is because its from Romans 11, and used to support actual Dispensational views on Israel and the Gentiles and the timing of revival in each group as interdependent. The Scaffolding is some Covenant Theology man made nonsense so its your discernment kicking in that it doesn't work. :)
@MrDilley777
9 ай бұрын
Yes I totally agree with what you say about (Dispensationalism) and the many misleading false doctrines that grew into (bad fruit) of this evil tree that have been accepted in parts of teachings of this (bad fruit), or by all of the parts of this (bad fruit). So it's very important to identify the many false doctrines of what the (bad fruit) is in order to reject its teachings, and they are as follows. (1.) The false idea that the church replaces Israel. (2.) The false idea that God can't deal with Israel and the church at the same time. (3.) The idea of Matthew 24 is only written to the Jews and tribulation saints and not the church, and all believers either they be Jews or gentiles. (4.) The doctrines of eminence, that Christ can return for His church at any second, and there are no prophetic events to happen first before He returns. (5.) The idea of the church is not mentioned in the book of Revelation after chapter 4, and so the church must be in heaven. (6.) The pre trib rapture before the last week of Daniel's last week of years. (7.) The idea that there is no instruction for the church to endure the tribulation of seven years, so that must mean the church is in heaven before the last seven years. (8.) The Idea that the Lord wouldn't beat up His bride the church in the tribulation period of seven years so the church must be in heaven at that time. (9.) The idea that Rev 3:10 supports a pre-trib rapture of the church. (10.) The idea that the days of Noah in believing that Noah and his sons and their wife's entered the ark (seven days before) the flood waters were upon the earth, so this is a picture of the church being raptured up seven years before Daniel's last week of years. (11.) The idea that 2 Thess 2:7 supports a pre-trib rapture because it's the Holy Spirit in every believer that will be raptured up, and the Holy Spirit is the restrainer of the anti christ being revealed, so this means the pre-trib rapture must happen first before the anti- christ is revealed. (12.) The idea that 1 Thess 4:13-18 is the pre-trib rapture of the church and not one part of the second coming of Christ. This will be a shock to the vast majority of pastors, teachers and churchgoers in America because (Dispensational Theology) is taught in almost every seminary Bible College in America for the past almost 200 years now, so it's no wonder why it's so predominate here in America today, it started in the early 1800's with William Darby then later promoted by Scofield and his study Bible, and that's when Dispensational theology took over the prior dominate teachings of (Historical theology). The major problem with these false doctrines listed above is that NONE of the early church fathers taught them. So before anyone gets bent out shape, offended or makes inappropriate comments, just study the scriptures for yourselves to see if what you were taught in church is true or not, and that's how you know the difference in true and false doctrines, can we all agree on that??? Now for those that really study for yourselves, for your consideration, Seven pre trib problems as compared to pre wrath. kzitem.info/news/bejne/2a2O1YGEqYGZoqg All I ask is you review it fully before leaving a comment.😊😊😊😊
@Realnandino
10 ай бұрын
This isn’t complete replacement theology. Somewhere in between. The question is now, do you read the church into where it speaks to Israel?
@bradwhitt6768
4 ай бұрын
You can't do that because then you have to rewrite all the old testament and you'd have to believe that the authors in the new testament claim the church replaces Israel and nowhere does it say that.
@JaguerRhye
9 ай бұрын
Can someone share one NT verse that clearly demonstrates that the church is spiritual Israel?
@bradwhitt6768
8 ай бұрын
No, because there isn't one. He doesn't debunked or refuted dispensationalism at all.
@kevincourtney7312
7 ай бұрын
He appears to confuse dispensationalism with coventalism which does replace Israel. I've been Dispensational all my ife and never heard replacement theology preached except by covenant churches.
@PD-iu9bn
Жыл бұрын
This is a false dilemma. Dispensationalism also believes in fulfillment theology. We just believe it’s yet to be fulfilled and all the prophetic eschatological passages are simply describing HOW God is going to finish it up. But the church most certainly does not “fulfill” Israel, nor is Christ the typological fulfillment of the nation.
@MrDilley777
9 ай бұрын
For your consideration and its 2 hours long but whats 2 hours to a believer that Loves Bible study and searches the scriptures daily to see if whats taught in the church today is true or not, Seven pre trib problems as compared to pre wrath. kzitem.info/news/bejne/2a2O1YGEqYGZoqg 😊😊😊
@surfshop7552
6 ай бұрын
How do you understand it based on what you said
@PD-iu9bn
6 ай бұрын
@@surfshop7552 Could you be more specific?
@surfshop7552
6 ай бұрын
@@PD-iu9bn I mean I'm not sure what ur viewpoint is
@PD-iu9bn
6 ай бұрын
@@surfshop7552 My viewpoint, with regard to the message of the pastor in this video, is that dispensationalism doesn’t disagree with the “replacement theology/fulfillment theology” camp in the sense that we ALSO believe Jesus is the fulfillment. The difference is that replacement theology teaches that because Jesus succeeded where Israel failed, those who are now ‘in Christ’ are the fulfillment of what God started with the nation of Israel. And in that way they believe the church is the fulfillment of God’s program which He began with Israel. Dispensationalism is the idea that Israel and the church have distinct roles in the redemptive program of God, and the Jesus did NOT fulfill everything yet because Israel rejected Him at His first coming. But all the prophecies yet to be fulfilled will be fulfilled at His second coming. The church is God’s interim program where He’s working through Holy-Spirit filled believers of every tribe, tongue and nation to spread the gospel message to the world before God’s coming judgement commences.
@Obrandoporlaverdad
7 ай бұрын
I am not a dispensationalist but what do you do with all the prophetic Scriptures concerning National Israel? So what happens at the coming of Jesus? Where does he reing? Who are the ones that pierced him and and finally forgiven and restored Zec 12-13. Do the sevenieth weeks count in your theology? What are the 144,00 are they Israelites? What about 1948 and 67 was it not Bible prophecy unfolding? God is faithful and fulfills all his promises you dont need to be a dispensationalist to believe national Israel will be saved and restored. I am a historical pre-millenialist by the way, this is not a dispensational idea its a Biblical idea.
@kevincourtney7312
7 ай бұрын
Thank you, as I was reading these responses, what you said was coming to mind and there it was. I also read Ezekiel 36 thru 39 and I can't help to ask, what does all that mean if not physical Israel?
@Obrandoporlaverdad
7 ай бұрын
@@kevincourtney7312 Right, tradition can sometimes blind us to the simplicity and clarity of Scripture. God is faithful and will fulfill his promises.
@bradwhitt6768
4 ай бұрын
@@Obrandoporlaverdad Because those traditions also involved lots of pagan practices to bring more gentiles into the power structure of the church but not to Christ. This idea that the church replaces israel is exactly what paul was addressing to the Roman church. If you read the last bit he says the jews will be redeemed and that God has no cast off his people. That Jews are still jews and still come from the 12 tribes which he still counts himself as one.
@samsdad110
Ай бұрын
What’s the deal with his two parts in his hair? Never seen that before. Not to be snarky or anything.
@koolkid1234ism
28 күн бұрын
This didn’t disprove dispensationalism. This was just a lot of feelings and logic. Scripture will always trump those. You didn’t talk about how Abraham was justified in James and Romans. How in James is faith was made perfect through works. How in James faith alone isn’t enough , but in Roman’s it is. How James is written to Jews during the tribulation, and Romans is written to the church. Do you really believe the whole Bible says you’re saved by faith alone with no works? What about everyone in the tribulation who get the mark of the beast? Is that not works? In Hebrew’s, (also written to Jews obviously, it’s in the name) it says, "For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins." What are you going to do with that??? Say it’s by faith alone? No clearly here you have to resist sinning to keep your salvation. You’re really going to say that’s saying the same thing as Paul in Romans?: Romans 4:5: "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness."
@davidrichard2761
3 ай бұрын
‘Replacement theology’ seems to be a slightly derogatory term. I suppose called by those who see the present church as an interregnum period awaiting the turning of the physical descendants of Israel to Christ. It is this and other derogatory terms used by dispensationalists that cause for me; spiritual alarm bells to sound.
@solarjudgement4575
Жыл бұрын
So I didn't hear anything about replacement theology...
@surfshop7552
6 ай бұрын
Romans 9:6-8 NKJV - For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. End time Israel will be all those who believe and receive Jesus. Why would God have two Streams so to say, one israel and one church, to what end, when the scripture says this: Ephesians 2:14-16 NKJV - For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. There will be one church, and the remnant of Jews that is coming will all be part of one church
@anthonybardsley4985
11 ай бұрын
The mystery in Ephesians was given through Paul .gospel and acts kingdom offered then declined .the new covenant offered and declined .the olive tre was provoked and fail was cut down its branches scattered .no longer blessed with Abraham but with Christ in the heavenly places. Paul first seven epistles appealed to prophecy in the latter after acts period did not ..
@toddott633
10 ай бұрын
The mystery is not the Church. The mystery is that God would saved Jew and Gentile together in one body.
@ArchDLuxe
2 жыл бұрын
Your scaffolding illustration is wonderfully vivid, it's just not scriptural. Where is Jesus's call to his disciples come in off the scaffolding? Having been so called, why weren't they confused to be having dinner out on the scaffolding (so to speak) the night of Jesus's betrayal? Can you show any instances of Israelites "coming off of the scaffolding" in a way that proves your theory? I know of many counter examples such as Pharisees participating in the Church Acts 15:5 and James's plan in Acts 21:23-24.
@correyteague8272
11 ай бұрын
Hahaha sad sad the only way to understand your Bible is to rightly divide dispensation is in your Bible the reason ya don't understand is because ya don't study the Bible the way god said to ya go by a mans teaching
@tedbrooks-formerwordoffait1316
10 ай бұрын
If you want to challenge sovereignty and Calvinism... then preach Christ.... I'm not kidding... preach Christ until you're blue in the face... preach christ until you realize how anti-christ Calvinism is. Then you'll be doing the body of Christ a huge favor.
@tedbrooks-formerwordoffait1316
10 ай бұрын
My motivation is to teach the revelation of Christ... that Jesus revealed the character of God in its fulness... and he was Word of God fulfilled... completely. John Macarthur's view of God is not like Christ... and thousands like him...his Calvinism bypasses the revelation of Christ... and that is antichrist in nature... this is not a small issue... it's huge... and it festers in teachings throughout Christianity.
@SpotterVideo
2 жыл бұрын
Amen. Many of those promoting this modern doctrine have no idea it is less than 200 years old. Watch the KZitem video "Genesis of Dispensational Theology" to see the original source of this doctrine in black and white. Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ? (Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30) The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations? 1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8) 2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ? 3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds? 4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh? 5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers? 6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"? 7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? 8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.) 9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? 10. Watch the KZitem video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church. Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology. Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church: “The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.” Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107. Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.” Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323. John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated… "...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.” John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.) What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth? Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups? Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13? Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
@SteffanRhoads
2 жыл бұрын
I agree but learned from Professor Bruce Gore’s teaching’s on church history, so helpful.
@kevincourtney7312
7 ай бұрын
It's Biblical and Replacement Theology is Catholic, Jahovahs Witness and Covenental theology. un Biblical.
@SpotterVideo
7 ай бұрын
@@kevincourtney7312 If you watch the KZitem video "Genesis of Dispensational Theology", you will see the doctrine originally came from a book written by a Roman Catholic Jesuit priest named Manuel Lacunza. This book claims God did not fulfill His promises to the Jewish people through the sacrifice of His Son at Calvary.
@SpotterVideo
7 ай бұрын
@@kevincourtney7312 If you watch the KZitem video "Genesis of Dispensational Theology", you will see it came from a book written by a Roman Catholic Jesuit priest named Manuel Lacunza. Edward Irving translated the book from Spanish into English and taught doctrine from the book at the Albury Prophetic conference about 1826. John Darby taught the doctrine at the Powerscourt Prophetic conference a few years later. When Irving died during 1834 Darby became the chief salesman for the doctrine and brought to the U.S. about the time of the American Civil War.
@kevinboutwell2243
2 жыл бұрын
It cant be denied all you can do is remove it from the kjb or buy another bible which removed the word.
@jeannet7443
2 жыл бұрын
Romans 9-11
@jeannet7443
2 жыл бұрын
And when is Israel grafted back in, according to the post millennial view? When does this occur?
@inlonging
2 жыл бұрын
When the fullness of the gentiles is brought in. What exactly that means may be disputed, but remember in postmil view going and making disciples of the nations is something Jesus intends us to actually do, so that might give you an idea of when the natural branches will be fully grafted back in. Until then we share the gospel with all, Jew and gentile, spreading Gods kingdom one heart and a time.
@SpotterVideo
2 жыл бұрын
@@inlonging Based on Luke 21:24-28, the fullness of the Gentiles comes at the Second Coming of Christ. Some have replaced the word "so", which is an adverb of manner in Romans 11:26, with the word "then", which is an adverb of timing. Paul warned against using genealogies in our faith in Titus 3:9. There is no Plan B of salvation based on race found in the New Testament.
@jeannet7443
2 жыл бұрын
@@inlonging Making disciples of the nations is not exclusive to the post-millennial view.
@inlonging
2 жыл бұрын
@@jeannet7443 I didn’t say others don’t believe it, I said the exact meaning is disputed, as nicely demonstrated by my “Spotter Video” friend here immediately doing so 😂 I wasn’t starting an argument, just explaining our view.
@inlonging
2 жыл бұрын
@@SpotterVideo just something to keep in mind: we hold a preterist view of those prophecies (to further complicate things 😂🤣)
@matthewpohlman
2 жыл бұрын
Dude, you proved dispensationalism in the end.
@MrDilley777
9 ай бұрын
Yes I know perfectly well what doctrines derive from Dispensational theology and I can tell your sold out to it and that fine but, if you would like to take up a challenge as I'm offering to you now. then first review this presentation that I came across many years after I had already come to the same conclusions in my own personal 20 years studying the scripture about these doctrines it teaches. (First), review this presentation, and it's a long one about 2 hours, but what's 2 hours to anyone that really Loves to study the Bible right??? Seven pre trib problems as compared to pre wrath. kzitem.info/news/bejne/2a2O1YGEqYGZoqg 😊😊😊😊
@jjemsnd7
2 жыл бұрын
If you embrace the shadow you forfeit the substance.
@jeannet7443
2 жыл бұрын
And we must first understand the types and shadows, of which there are many in the OT, in order to understand and rejoice in the substance.
@ArchDLuxe
2 жыл бұрын
So wrong. Hebrews chapter 11 lists numerous examples of people who "embraced the shadow" by obeying by faith the commandments given to them. Abraham took a physical knife to his own and his sons' foreskin. Did he forfeit the substance? Jacob commanded that his bones be carried out of Egypt to the promised land. Moses and the other Israelites in Egypt put blood from lambs they slaughtered, cooked, and ate on their door posts. Did they forfeit the substance? Paul had Timothy circumcised... Even if Joel were perfectly correct on this, what you said is still wrong.
@jeannet7443
2 жыл бұрын
@@ArchDLuxe Well said! I don't think we can truly appreciate or even understand the substance without an understanding of the shadows that came before. And why would the writer of Hebrews go to such length to review the shadows, showing how much better Jesus is than everything? The book of Hebrews is a very deep and precious book, and it brings an intimacy to the believer's relationship with Messiah. Not only that, the OT is rich with "types" and shadows of the Messiah as well (e.g., Abel, Moses, Joseph, Jonah, Samson, just to name some.....yes, even Jonah and Samson!!) And I'll even wager that the conversation with the risen Messiah on the Road to Emmaus, was rich in types and shadows. Luke 24:27: "Then beginning with Moses and with all the Prophets, He explained to them the things about Himself in all the Scriptures." ArchDLuxe, I think you would enjoy some videos by FAI Studios on this, "King of Shadows". They are stunning, and are all filmed in Israel. This link brings up all four: kzitem.info?search_query=fai+studios+king+of+shadows
@ArchDLuxe
2 жыл бұрын
@@jeannet7443 thank you for the link. His first video, all I've had the chance to watch so far, is fantastic.
@jjemsnd7
2 жыл бұрын
I think you're conflating the shadows with the substance. Everything you list is a shadow not substance. There is only one way to salvation by grace through faith is always been that way. In the old testament they looked forward to the fulfillment we look back.
@kaila62kaila
2 жыл бұрын
Please clarify: Are you guys advocates of replacement theology or not?
@heir_to_the_promise
2 жыл бұрын
No, they're not. There is no such thing as Replacement Theology. People just accuse of it existing because they just hear others say the term.
@avibenavraham
Жыл бұрын
He absolutely is
@Michael_the_Drunkard
Жыл бұрын
@@avibenavrahamand that is a good thing
@kevincourtney7312
7 ай бұрын
I'm a dispensationalist as best I understand the term. I've never associated Replacement Theo with dispensationalism. I believe in the Jews physical return to Israel as prophesied in Ezekiel 36-38. They must turn to Christ in the end they will see Him and weep.
@StarlynsAgency
10 ай бұрын
Why all disp always say no one describe them right...
@MrDilley777
9 ай бұрын
For your consideration and it's a long one but what is a 2 hour Bible study to any believer that studies for themselves??? Seven pre trib problems as compared to pre wrath. kzitem.info/news/bejne/2a2O1YGEqYGZoqg 😊😊😊
@the_lex4823
Жыл бұрын
So much hyperbole
@brentbeatty4171
Жыл бұрын
Origin of sunday worship,xmas and easter?
@youtubesurf7003
Жыл бұрын
This guy thinks he’s Shakespeare. A spoken word artist.
@quadrasaurus-rex8809
10 ай бұрын
It’s actually hilarious, he’s super pompous. Even when he guest appears on larger podcasts. Absolute clown.
@andrewclemons8619
11 ай бұрын
You dont even know who wrote hebrews and its incosistant with the teachings of Jesus.
@@johnmann8659 before I look at these verses, that doesn't prove anything that you can correlate 4 or 5 verses with the Old Testament
@Isaiah_Cochran
Жыл бұрын
>Not pre-millennial… Yeah gonna take a hard pass on your Biblical exegesis ya huckster.
@craigchambers4183
2 жыл бұрын
There are many shades and colors to dispensationalism, from light to extreme, from solid to 'leaky.' Dispensation at its root deals with time, as in God deals with Jews and Gentiles in their times, so their idea of replacement comes in at the establishment of the church. Whereas, covenants deal with conditions, as in Adam, in Abraham, in Israel (Old) and in Christ (New) so the idea of fulfillment is prevalent and we move from the least light to the full light. There are dispensations, obviously, but in biblical terms of times. The confusion comes (my thoughts) when the clear teaching of one people, one tree, one church, Jew and Gentile one in Christ is made subservient to the times, as though the full revelation of God's grace was unheard of, unrecognizable, unannounced in the Old, when in fact Christ exclusively taught from the Old Scriptures as fulfilled in what revelation He was bringing, and the Apostles as well in the beginning. Some think (I've read the comments) that premil sort of opens the door to dispensation, but the same could be said that postmil opens the door to progressive or one kingdom theology, or amil has no door at all. I am premil because that is what I see in the Word, but not arguing here because this is Pastor Joel's platform and I do understand him to believe the Word from his heart as well, just sees things a bit differently. I'll only say that when I was young a long time ago in a far away place called California, that even as a baby believer when I heard the teaching that the gospels were not meant for Christians (ie, Gentiles) the anointing (the persuasion that the Scriptures are true and are the Word of God, this gift of faith in regeneration) taught me this was false. I've heard light dispensation since, which most would see as the old sacrificial system was not a real sacrifice for sin but the pre-figurement fulfilled at the cross, and that the millennial sacrificial system for Christ's kingdom over and through Israel to the whole world is the same, not a real sacrifice for sin but a post-figurement, a memorial, much as the Lord's supper is today. A different time, but not a different covenant. So, not a heresy, just a different view honestly believed from Scripture. Bottom line, replacement theology is false, fulfillment theology is true.
@SpotterVideo
2 жыл бұрын
Revelation 20: Does your interpretation agree with all other scripture? (Chronological or Recapitulation?) (Literal vs. Figurative?) Based on the following scripture, will immortals and mortals both live on earth for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ? Will there be renewed animal sacrifices in earthly Jerusalem for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ? Will Christ conduct funeral services for mortals killed in accidents many years after His Second Coming? Graveyards needed? Can the following questions be examined without ridicule, and condemnation, based on the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:18-24? Can the number 1,000 be used in a symbolic manner? Psalm 50:10 Does an angel with a key come from heaven and open the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2? Why did the angel have to unlock the pit if it was not locked previously? Who is the king of the angels in the bottomless pit found in Revelation 9:11? Are some of the angels “bound” in some manner in Revelation 9:14? If the beast comes up out of the pit in Revelation 11:7, where is the beast before then? John sees “souls” at the beginning of Revelation chapter 20. Are these the same “souls” found in Revelation 6:9-11? Is the “first resurrection” in Revelation 20:5 the first bodily resurrection in the Book of Revelation? (Rev. 11:11) Are there two different types of resurrections in John chapter 5? John 5:24 (Spiritual) ? Were you dead, and now you are alive? John 5:27-30 Christ describes the bodily resurrection and “hour” of judgment of “all” the dead. Who is the “strong man” who is bound in Matthew 12:26-29? How is Satan “bound” in Revelation 20:3? How many mortals are left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46? Isaiah 65:17-25? Are people really dying in verse 20? Context, Context, Context… The New Heavens and New Earth are found at the beginning of the passage, and the end of the curse is found at the end of the passage. What happens if verse 20 begins with a negative statement? "There will be no more..." Was Paul expecting Christ to return "in flaming fire", taking vengeance on those who do not know God in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10? How would mortals survive this fire? Does the fire come at the end of Revelation 20? Did Paul expect both the living and the dead to be judged at the appearing of Christ, in 2 Timothy 4:1? When is the judgment of the dead in Revelation 20? Is it the same judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18? What is the restitution of all things at the return of Christ in Acts 3:20-21? Will Christ's sacrifice at Calvary also reverse the curse, at His return? Does death die at the last trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15:50-55? Why did Jesus correct the woman at the well when she said earthly Jerusalem was the place to worship? See John 4:20-24. Why did Paul say the Jerusalem above is our “mother” in Galatians 4:24-31? What is the inheritance of the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? Is the third temple found in 1 Peter 2:4-10? Is this temple just as real as a temple made of earthly stones? What was Peter expecting on the day of the Lord when He comes as a thief in 2 Peter 3:10-13? Do we find the judgment of both the living and the dead at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, in Revelation 11:15-18? Why do most preachers ignore the time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others in Revelation 11:18? What does it prove about the chronology of the Book of Revelation? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Is there a correlation between Revelation 20 and earlier passages in the Book of Revelation? Is Revelation chapter 20 another example of “Recapitulation”? Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Rev_18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Judgment Before the Great White Throne. Rev_19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
@craigchambers4183
2 жыл бұрын
@@SpotterVideo Revelation 20: Does your interpretation agree with all other scripture? Yes (Chronological or Recapitulation?) both (Literal vs. Figurative?) both Based on the following scripture, will immortals and mortals both live on earth for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ? Yes Will there be renewed animal sacrifices in earthly Jerusalem for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ? Yes Will Christ conduct funeral services for mortals killed in accidents many years after His Second Coming? No Graveyards needed? No Can the following questions be examined without ridicule, and condemnation, based on the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:18-24? Yes Can the number 1,000 be used in a symbolic manner? Psalm 50:10 Yes Does an angel with a key come from heaven and open the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2? Yes Why did the angel have to unlock the pit if it was not locked previously? Answered in the question. Who is the king of the angels in the bottomless pit found in Revelation 9:11? Abaddon/Apollyon Are some of the angels “bound” in some manner in Revelation 9:14? Yes If the beast comes up out of the pit in Revelation 11:7, where is the beast before then? In the abyss/pit. John sees “souls” at the beginning of Revelation chapter 20. Are these the same “souls” found in Revelation 6:9-11 No Is the “first resurrection” in Revelation 20:5 the first bodily resurrection in the Book of Revelation? (Rev. 11:11) No Are there two different types of resurrections in John chapter 5? Yes John 5:24 (Spiritual) ? Yes Were you dead, and now you are alive? Yes John 5:27-30 Christ describes the bodily resurrection and “hour” of judgment of “all” the dead. Who is the “strong man” who is bound in Matthew 12:26-29? Satan How is Satan “bound” in Revelation 20:3? Rev. 20:1, 2 How many mortals are left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46? Zero, Rev. 21:1 Isaiah 65:17-25? (Assuming ? here is not intended) Are people really dying in verse 20? Context, Context, Context… No The New Heavens and New Earth are found at the beginning of the passage, and the end of the curse is found at the end of the passage. What happens if verse 20 begins with a negative statement? "There will be no more..." No if here, it does begin this way. Was Paul expecting Christ to return "in flaming fire", taking vengeance on those who do not know God in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10? Yes How would mortals survive this fire? Rhetorical. Does the fire come at the end of Revelation 20? No Did Paul expect both the living and the dead to be judged at the appearing of Christ, in 2 Timothy 4:1? No When is the judgment of the dead in Revelation 20? Rev. 20:7, 11, 15 Is it the same judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18? No What is the restitution of all things at the return of Christ in Acts 3:20-21? Acts 3:19, cf Rev. 20 "Thousand years" Will Christ's sacrifice at Calvary also reverse the curse, at His return? No Does death die at the last trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15:50-55? No Why did Jesus correct the woman at the well when she said earthly Jerusalem was the place to worship? See John 4:20-24. He didn't. Why did Paul say the Jerusalem above is our “mother” in Galatians 4:24-31? "She" is allegory of spiritual birth in Christ. What is the inheritance of the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? Heavenly citizenship in New Jerusalem Is the third temple found in 1 Peter 2:4-10? No Is this temple just as real as a temple made of earthly stones? Real but not physical. What was Peter expecting on the day of the Lord when He comes as a thief in 2 Peter 3:10-13? New heavens and earth at the end of the day. Do we find the judgment of both the living and the dead at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, in Revelation 11:15-18? No. Why do most preachers ignore the time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others in Revelation 11:18? Grammar. What does it prove about the chronology of the Book of Revelation? Verified chronological, but also 'recapitulational' if I understand what you mean by the term. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Is there a correlation between Revelation 20 and earlier passages in the Book of Revelation? Yes Is Revelation chapter 20 another example of “Recapitulation”? Possibly, as in the quote of Rev. 11 below, but it does not change the 'chronology' of it. Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Rev_18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Judgment Before the Great White Throne. Rev_19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
@craigchambers4183
2 жыл бұрын
@@SpotterVideo I did take the time to go through each passage and answered all the questions, and assumed that none of your questions were with ridicule or condemnation; my answers are also without this.
@SpotterVideo
2 жыл бұрын
@@craigchambers4183 After reading the Book of Hebrews and the fulfillment of the New Covenant in blood at Calvary, I cannot understand why God would want a return to animal sacrifices during a future time. I may not agree with your answers about 2 Tim. 4:1, and Matt. 25:31-46, and Rev. 11:15-18, and several other places, but I greatly appreciate your kind response. Unfortunately, it is rare these days. Historic Premillennialism has been around for over 1,000 years. Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
@ferrosjewellers4558
2 жыл бұрын
I love dispensationalism, it so in the Bible, Paul who is our apostle says in Ephesians 1:10, "that in this DISPENSATION of the fullness of the time, He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth in Him". I love how Paul teachers dispensationalism. Clearly Paul was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write this wonderful message. Those who disagree, disagrees with the Holy Spirit. So when we have ministers who preach another thing, let that minister be a cursed. Galatians 1:8-9
@SpotterVideo
2 жыл бұрын
If Paul taught Dispensational Theology, why did it take the Church over 1800 years to find it? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Watch the KZitem video "Genesis of Dispensational Theology", if you want to see the original source of the doctrine.
@ferrosjewellers4558
2 жыл бұрын
@@SpotterVideo , why did it take so long?.. easy, God allows these truths to revealed in His time. Just as the pre-trib rapture, the Puritans never preached this theology because God did not make it known for that time. That wasn't the time for that truth.
@ferrosjewellers4558
2 жыл бұрын
@@SpotterVideo and another thing to consider, for how many years did the Roman Catholic church keep the Bible from the people, they even chained the Bible down so nobody could just read it. Then the printing press came hundreds of years later. You forget these things. You don't take into account how God's word was kept from the people's.
@ferrosjewellers4558
2 жыл бұрын
@@SpotterVideo from the stoning of Steven, the conversion of Paul and Peter's sheet vision, this marked the beginning of the dispensation of grace to the Gentiles. God set Israel aside because of their hard hearts, prideful attitude to bring in this dispensation, the dispensation for the free gift of salvation to the Gentiles and Jews alike. In this dispensation of grace the Holy Spirit instructed Paul to give us Gentiles on what is pleasing to God. In this dispensation the pre-trib rapture/harpazo is a promise given by the God to take the church away before the antichrist is revealed.
@SpotterVideo
2 жыл бұрын
@@ferrosjewellers4558 If God set aside Israel, why are thousands of young Israelis coming to faith in Christ through ministries such as "One For Israel".. In Romans 11 Paul did not say all Israelites are partially hardened. Instead, Paul said part of Israel is hardened and part is not hardened. The "remnant" in Romans 11:5 proves this fact. In the verse below Paul proves there is only one Gospel taken "first" to Israel, and also to the Greeks. Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Paul continued to preach the Gospel to the Jews in Acts chapter 28. See verse 24 for those who believed what Paul said. Act 28:17 And it came to pass, that after three days Paul called the chief of the Jews together: and when they were come together, he said unto them, Men and brethren, though I have committed nothing against the people, or customs of our fathers, yet was I delivered prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans. Act 28:18 Who, when they had examined me, would have let me go, because there was no cause of death in me. Act 28:19 But when the Jews spake against it, I was constrained to appeal unto Caesar; not that I had ought to accuse my nation of. Act 28:20 For this cause therefore have I called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because that for the hope of Israel I am bound with this chain. Act 28:21 And they said unto him, We neither received letters out of Judaea concerning thee, neither any of the brethren that came shewed or spake any harm of thee. Act 28:22 But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this sect, we know that every where it is spoken against. Act 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. Act 28:24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not. How many thousands of modern Jews have not heard the Gospel because of what you are promoting?
@willielee5253
Жыл бұрын
👑Genesis 12:3 ❤ Matthew 25 31-46👑 ✝️ Christians speak of scriptures as being this or that as a salvation 🛐 issue, here 👑 Jesus made this a salvation 🛐 issue Himself in Matthew 25 31-46 🇮🇱 😊No teasing out scriptures or extrapolations needed, it's as plain as the Sun shine 😊 👑 Jesus made this a salvation 🛐 issue in Matthew 25 31-46 🇮🇱 and before He returns I'd recommend ministering the same love ❤God bless you on your journey ❤
@Mountain_Woman
Жыл бұрын
I hope that is vegan bacon.
@brentbeatty4171
Жыл бұрын
2 Peter 3 14-18
@zadkiel242
Жыл бұрын
Fulfillment theology is still replacement theology. Depending on the rhetoric, it cam either be structural or economic supersessionism. It's just replacement theology with less harsh rhetoric.
@Michael_the_Drunkard
Жыл бұрын
It is true nonetheless and a requirement for being a Christian.
@zadkiel242
Жыл бұрын
@@Michael_the_Drunkard Why is having an opinion a requirement in Christianity?
@fredost1504
Жыл бұрын
Ridiculous. I bet you dont believe in eternal security either.
@RightResponseMinistries
Жыл бұрын
Of course I do. Eternal security rightly belongs to covenant theology. It is merely borrowed by Dispensationalists.
@fredost1504
Жыл бұрын
@@RightResponseMinistries Except without right dispensations, Scripture, with certainty, contradicts itself. You can not reconcile John 5:24 & Eph 2:8-9 with James 2:17 and Heb 6:4-6 without dispensations because there is zero harmony here. But ill not argue. I know dispensationism is correct and covenant theology is at best confusing and distracting from understanding the Bible in context.
@MrDilley777
9 ай бұрын
@@fredost1504Yes I know perfectly well what doctrines derive from Dispensational theology and I can tell your sold out to it and that fine but, if you would like to take up a challenge as I'm offering to you now. then first review this presentation that I came across many years after I had already come to the same conclusions in my own personal 20 years studying the scripture about these doctrines it teaches. (First), review this presentation, and it's a long one about 2 hours, but what's 2 hours to anyone that really Loves to study the Bible right??? Seven pre trib problems as compared to pre wrath. kzitem.info/news/bejne/2a2O1YGEqYGZoqg 😊😊😊😊
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