Did you know that Death Valley is one of the few National Parks in California that allows dispersed vehicle camping within its boundaries? Check out the link for more information: www.nps.gov/deva/planyourvisit/backcamp.htm
@lvfire68
4 ай бұрын
Dispersed camping etiquette, albeit unwritten, is that you don't set up camp so close to anyone else unless there are other nearby sites. When looking for those areas to camp I always take that into consideration and try to avoid any places where there are other obvious campsites in the vicinity, otherwise what happened to you is a possibility. I think those other folks were inconsiderate but then there seems to be a lot of those people around these days. I go out of my way usually to find spots that are remote and have no other obvious camping options nearby and that has always worked for me.
@artistic-off-road
4 ай бұрын
Yes. It's the first time for me that people have camped so close to us with so much space around and so many other beautiful spots to choose from, but I think the power of suggestion was at work here. Hopefully they had an ideal night of camping nonetheless. I know we did. Thanks as always for your comments.
@juliebbb6031
3 ай бұрын
Anyone that is rude enough to violate the unwritten rules of camping is already a lost cause. To be clear the most sacred rule of dispersed camping is don’t camp within eyeshot or earshot of another camper unless you are at an event. That and leave no trace. My first impulse is to just leave because they will always argue to hide their embarrassment.
@concentricvoid
4 ай бұрын
It doesn't seem that unusual to run into people in a place like that. What I love about my Subaru Crosstrek is that I can zig zag through brush and squeeze through rocks to get to places that other vehicles can't reach. 😊 Of course that could be a problem if I needed to be towed out.
@artistic-off-road
4 ай бұрын
Just make sure you have a good tow plan in place, maybe a friend with a strong 4x4 or a helicopter on speed dial!
@beatroot7032
4 ай бұрын
Livfire68 is correct. The same rules apply to backcountry fishing, and anglers are much less likely to violate the rules: don’t set up in anyone’s eyeline or earshot. This has happened to me several times-go hiking only to return and some nitwit has set up camp right next to me, even though no one is around for miles. I think such rude campers are scared and don’t want to be alone- but alone is exactly what many of us seek. If someone is already set up, just move on another half mile . And no amplified music ever.
@artistic-off-road
4 ай бұрын
👍
@efromhb
3 ай бұрын
Looks like a fantastic trip other than the inconsiderate jackholes. Good thing you didn't have too much set up when you decided to move. I don't blame you. Nothing new about the aviation training there. In fact part of the agreement that made Death Valley a national park was ensuring that military training flight areas remain in place. I need to get back out there.
@artistic-off-road
3 ай бұрын
Interesting. Didn't know that, but makes sense considering the proximity of China Lake. Thanks for your comments. Much appreciated!
@francisarellano918
4 ай бұрын
Approaching them was in bad taste. Sure, you picked that spot for solitude, but there are no written rules that they can't set up camp that close to yours. You don't own the place so the real civil things to have done in the first place were 1. Suck it up; 2. Be friends with them; 3. Move without saying anything to them.
@RuggedExplorer
4 ай бұрын
Speaking with someone and attempting to reason with them to understand your point of view and vice versa is actually a very civil thing to do. The ideal outcome would have been for them to say, "No worries" and relocate-considering that they weren't set up. That makes for good friends, indeed... which is, I'm sure what we are all out there to find. 😝 It's a shame that they made a new camp spot, however, which is the biggest breach of dispersed camping rules. At least maybe they now have more of an awareness of how close to set up camp in such a huge desert. Either way, it's a compliment that they wanted to camp so close.
@artistic-off-road
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on how to handle such a situation. No, there are no written rules, but there are unwritten ones. True, they could set up camp one foot away if they wanted to, but would that be cool? What's the appropriate distance? A stone's throw? Out of earshot? Out of sight? How do you decide? Does it depend on how large of an area it is? If there are ten miles of road and only five groups of people camping, is 25 yards too close when they could all have a mile of space? (I think so.) Should they have made their own spot, like they did? If we move without saying anything (however politely), do they gain a new awareness of other viewpoints and why that might be offensive, or do they do it again and again (per the lady's comment)?
@bamarillo
4 ай бұрын
There is actually a written rule that you can't create your own camp spot, which these people did. "Camp only in previously disturbed areas and park your vehicle immediately adjacent to the roadway to minimize impact." Shame on them.
@user-yo1pk4ky4k
4 ай бұрын
These are public lands. Pompous to approach these people with the expectation that they should move. There are no royalty in America, including you.
@artistic-off-road
4 ай бұрын
True. I definitely do not see myself as "royalty" (wanting to find a *dispersed* camp spot away from others is what dispersed camping is all about). I disagree with the characterization of approaching them as "pompous", especially when it is done civilly, with good intention, and ultimately with the realization that trying to encourage someone to act on a new perspective is oftentimes futile (which is why when they dug in their heels, we accepted their reticence and moved).
@charlesferris2317
4 ай бұрын
Nightmare camping trip? You drove a few miles on the only access road into that end of the valley, camped next to the road at the most conspicuous landmark in the area during the spring flower bloom, and you want to lay claim to all you survey? 25 yards/50 feet looked more like a solid 7-iron to me. Apparently, your views of dispersed camping and your sense of distance need recalibrating. That sense of solitude and connection with nature may require more effort than you displayed here.
@artistic-off-road
4 ай бұрын
I appreciate your perspective. However, your comments are distorted: 1) The idea that Lake Hill is the most “conspicuous landmark” is up for argument-the entire area is equally stunning in my opinion and the dunes down the road, the fields of wildflowers everywhere, the open areas before and after Lake Hill (with awesome views), the views of Panamint Butte from further down, and the other spots more easily accessible to regular campers are equally “conspicuous”. Lake Hill, by the way, is miles long and offers more than one camp spot to spread out at, so saying that I camped at the most conspicuous “spot” is like saying that somehow it’s the only spot there. If we made a plan to meet at "Lake Hill", you might be driving a couple of miles before you found me-or maybe you wouldn't find me at all. 2) The comment that I was “laying claim to all [I] survey” is a gross exaggeration. In such a large area, it’s not unreasonable to spread out (out of earshot). It’s not a big deal to see a vehicle down the road, but the whole reason for dispersed camping (as the name denotes) is to do just that-disperse, not cramp. Since you are aware of Panamint Valley, you know that road to the dunes is more than 10 miles long. With only four or five other people camping there in a single night, that’s >2 miles per person. 3) My views of dispersed camping are what they are. To say they’re not “calibrated” is like saying "your way” is “better than mine". Would you mind if someone camped 10 or 20 feet from you if you’d driven four hours to find solitude in the desert? That’s great if you wouldn’t, but that’s where I would pick up and move, as we did. I think you would wonder why they chose to camp so close, in fact. Seeing things differently does not mean someone is right or wrong-just different. Ultimately, I respect that you wouldn't mind someone doing that. 4) Finally, the whole point of the video was to be a commentary on the increasing closeness of people, technology and modern society in general-so in that way, yes…these days more and more effort, it seems, must be made to discover that sense of solitude and connection to nature. I am glad that that was communicated. @artistic-off-road
@hopalong4269
4 ай бұрын
You don't own the land
@artistic-off-road
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your perspective. I never claimed to "own the land". What makes you interpret it that way? Do you disperse camp? Did you read the description? Would you be good with having someone set up camp within a stone's throw in such a vast area with so many other options when you went out of your way to seek solitude? If so, awesome.
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