I’m just here for the dogs, analog quad , and the old man ❤️🙏 but I am a subscriber 🤘😎🤘
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Top comment. Old man's day will be made when he sees this 😂🙏
@zefixx6659
Жыл бұрын
Love to see how the "old man" is enthusiastic about modern technology and supports you in the tests. Thumbs up for that! And great comparison! I think the new O3 System will set the new standard on the market when you are able to pay the price.
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
It sure will! And yeah; he's the reason I'm a tech junkie lol
@jeffparisse4202
Жыл бұрын
This test earned my sub! I’m not even a DJI customer yet I appreciate the time and effort that you put into this video. Thanks for being a value added community member. P.S. I love flying through trees and around rock formations. Nothing is quite like the thrill of seeing one’s video feed pop back in after a dicey moment!
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the sub and support Jeff!! And yeah skirting the edge of signal has always been a trope in my style lol
@xjet
Жыл бұрын
The V2 goggles aren't box goggles either -- they are binocular goggles -- just larger than most others. However, that larger size has allowed DJI to use larger LCDs and better optics than you'd find in many conventional binocular goggles.
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
My first xjet comment 🥰❤️🥰 love you sir. And shhhhhhh I know v2 has two screens but how else am I supposed to justify my purchase and make fun of my v2 friends?? But yes; you are correct 🥲
@xjet
Жыл бұрын
@@TheTomJon Nice to be here sir 🙂 obligatory: _"analog for the win"_ 😀
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
🥲🥰
@Fly_High_FPV
Жыл бұрын
Bullshit Bruce, V1 and V2 most certainly are boxgoggle formfactor (ps Fuck DJI for calling v1.1 the V2, while keeping the box form 😁) Love your fire Bruce , thank you 🙌
@xjet
Жыл бұрын
@@Fly_High_FPV Box goggles are traditionally defined as goggles using a single screen. The V1/V2 goggles have a screen for each eye. The form-factor is large but they're not (by traditional defintions) a box-goggle.
@donaldheon
Жыл бұрын
Man... what a comparison that was. I had the same impressions with those units and goggles. Glad you put this out for the world to see.
@Simofly
Жыл бұрын
Man that is the perfect test doing the firmware upgrade in the field is not an easy task but gives us the real difference and that is a wonderful work with a lot of effort thanks!
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
appreciate the recognition :)
@GrimSpeedFPV
Жыл бұрын
A honest person! I appreciate you. You know I'm in no hurry to switch my analog systems out and just sitting back letting everything play out. If I do think I'm on board with Hdzero goggles. They are truly tested before shipping and that means a lot to me. 💯🤜
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
I was you two weeks ago.... Really wanna try out HDZ on a track; racing is still my fav quad activity!
@JuanBadillo
Жыл бұрын
Man I was waiting for a test video like this, making a comparison of the both DJI goggles, with vista and O3, thank you!! Subscribed! The results left me kind of confused though. 90% of people claiming better range and penetration with the new system, but it seems V2O3 is a better match. I was also hoping for better results with the Goggles 2, was looking to upgrade from the V1, and the V2 doesn't seems like much of an upgrade. Greetings to the old man!
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Greetings and thanks for the support 😊 and yeah the results were rather unexpected... Here's hoping it shows improves....
@Blackinterceptor999
Жыл бұрын
Also, what I'm interested in is RC-FPV and most reviewers fly above the forests and buildings where you flew low and close to the ground...I GREATLY appreciate that! THANK YOU!
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
No way; so you ground vehicles yeah? Pretty dope never thought of that as an application of the O3. And yeah; there's 2 types of pilots...
@edrone_
Жыл бұрын
Awesome comparisons brother! Enjoyed the great content 🤟👏👍
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
🤘🤘🫶
@matt.explore
Жыл бұрын
This video is invaluable, thank you so much! I found the same when I tested my V2 + Vista against my new G2 + Vista. Now I will be sending my new Goggles 2 back as they have worse range/penetration and are incredibly uncomfortable. Thanks so much for putting this video together!
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
I'm still rocking my G2 (the v2 on my face just makes me angry and uncomfortable). The new trueRC antennas make a world of difference and bring em on par with V2 penetration!
@matt.explore
Жыл бұрын
@@TheTomJon thanks for the reply, I’m the opposite with the fit haha find the V2’s really comfy. Yeah I’ve seen the TrueRC patch’s, they do look great
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
@@matt.explore I legit wish I found em comfortable.... I'd run em with o3 but they destroy my immersion sadly
@matt.explore
Жыл бұрын
@@TheTomJon yeah I’m thinking of doing that tbh. The only problem I can see is the shadows look way too dark to properly see anything when flying, have you found a way to fix this?
@sketchpv3080
Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I had a pre-order placed on G2s but I decided a few days ago to cancel the order and just keep using my V2s for a while longer. Now I’m pretty sure that was a good decision. Luckily, the fit of the V2s doesn’t bother me.
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Made this video just for you Sketch!
@jerryFPV
Жыл бұрын
thank you, for making this comparison video👍🏻👍🏻 for now i’m convinced not to spend on google 2 untill they improved or at least make it the same performance as v2/v1
@reimontes666
Жыл бұрын
Y HAVE I NEVER SEEN ANY OF UR STUFF Awesome work ty!
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
appreciate ya
@robertogiannotta4477
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting report. I detected one flaw though: in these tests, DJI V2's stock dual band antennas have been used both with the Vista and the O3. Actually Vistas work *much* better with good 5.8GHz antennas (even with the DJI V1's stock antennas) put on DJI V2 goggles and suffer from mediocre performance with DJI V2's stock dual band antennas.
@cyberess1000
Жыл бұрын
I have enjoyed your comparison seeing real world comparison, and how your old man helps you out -- I am only analog flyer at this moment, and sitting on the fence with this digital stuff, but I have certainly thinking about the DJI 03 Unit - I like how its a FPV system and action cam all in one. Unfortunately DJI have demonstrated their method of how they can lock stuff down and broadcast your details, by forcing goggles to be connected to an cell phone, oddly probably a good solution way to suit regulations at hand (I know this has not been done "yet" for BNFs, its just it could be done in the future). Anyway that will keep DJI stuff off my consideration list. I think the future of FPV is that the BNFs will be sold without an VTX system, letting the purchaser consider which system they purchase and plug it in themselves. This is going make this style of video content extremely current and valuable. hopefully you can get your hands on some Walksnail stuff, I would like to see how that goes on your little flying track test
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Unless Walksnail sends me equipment for sale of testing I can't justify the expense :( and I'll still be flying lots of analog cameras too :) they're awesome! Remote ID is scary stuff for sure... Thankful to how the Canadian gov is handling RPAS...
@evgeniy6089
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the test! Did you use fcchack in the test?
@danielnoname8352
Жыл бұрын
It is unbelievable how dark and crapy the image from o3/g2 is... Can they fix it without hardware changes? Awesome test, cheers for Old-Superman 😁👍👍👍
@califpv
Жыл бұрын
Very cool old man... Tell him he's got cool vibes 🤘
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
This'll make his day!
@matthewwilken2051
Жыл бұрын
i thought the o3 air units only worked with the goggles 2 not the V2. i must have misunderstood. i still need to add the full canvas mode. i will be looking more into the 03 for sure now
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
They patched em in recently!! So good!
@GiantAntCowboy
Жыл бұрын
Nice comparison. Like actually a thought out real world test with repeatable results. Weird how the O3 is lacking color and pretty dark. I actually liked the Vista image better in this situation. Thanks for sharing, cheers!
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Yeah the dynamic range and auto exposure on O3 is brutal out the box... You can increase EV and make everything "auto" brighter... But tbh I prefer the sky not being blown out and properly exposed because then you can see branches and small objects that are backlit. Blown out pixels tend to fringe and hide small details until it's too late. It doesn't look pretty but I prefer it for safety and whatnot.
@GiantAntCowboy
Жыл бұрын
@@TheTomJon yeah, good points, and again nice comparison, I don’t even have DJI… haha! I fly HDZero which doesn’t look as good as DJI but, has the advantage of consistent image resolution and latency, which just feels different. I’m actually testing the new HDZero Goggles this week and will be trying out the WS system later in the month. Pretty cool time for the hobby. Cheers!
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
@@GiantAntCowboy low-key jealous... High key actually. Love the idea of HDZero and eventually want it but it's can't really justify it as a "for fun" purchase....
@BrandonBeans
Жыл бұрын
Wow, you need to test using gps rescue. Those blind saves after the blackouts were nuts!
@jeffparisse4202
Жыл бұрын
A blind save is the way to go… Experience flying through dead spots will yield better results than RTH algorithm.
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Never ran RTH before and never lost a quad in 3+ years 🤷 started GPS a few weeks ago but really only for the info never setup GPS. All my major blackout and rough crashes GPS rescue wouldn't have helped me.... But! GPS coords would help tons...
@BrandonBeans
Жыл бұрын
@@jeffparisse4202 that's just ignorant. You can use both technique with gps but limiting your options without. 😜
@BrandonBeans
Жыл бұрын
@@TheTomJon rescue saves. I push further than I would without it. It saved me more times than I could remember. One thing to keep in mind is with DJI the coordinates on the OSD may not be correct, only trust your radio telemetry with DJI
@jeffparisse4202
Жыл бұрын
@@BrandonBeans Why are you calling people names? I’ve been flying FPV for 25 years and have a career of “firsts” in the unmanned aviation industry. GPS rescue is fine and never said it wasn’t. My experience is what it is yet you call me ignorant? Mind your manners.
@10fantic
Жыл бұрын
I’ll be honest so much of this just doesn’t seem right. I’ve flown vista on the G2’s and didn’t notice a difference vs on my V2’s besides the advantages of the O3 rf performance and the oled screens. I guess everyone has different experiences but I don’t think it’s inherently vista/g2 related. Might be antennas or the area you’re in. I use XF for control. I like two independent systems for flying.
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
tbf I feel the same way. I'd like to be...
@pixmoproductions9207
Жыл бұрын
Was going to update my vista today to use with my goggles 2 but after seeing this I will wait until I can get Omni antennas for my goggles 2. Mixing antennas will make the range worse. If you had the O3 air unit with the standard single DJI antenna with the goggles 2 I think the range would have been a lot longer. IFlight seem to be fitting Omni’s thinking that most users will be using the v2 goggles with Omni’s fitted.
@Blackinterceptor999
Жыл бұрын
Could it be the difference in the antenna design of the two DJI goggles? On paper the new ones "should" be better but obviously it isn't!!!
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Antenna, video encoding style before transmission, resolution of video feed... there's several factors that could cause it beyond "my scopes say the power output is the same!"
@rotorgeeks2727
Жыл бұрын
This is great. I'm curious what the camera settings were on the O3. The colours and shadow detail on the Vista seem better. Any fogging issues with the Goggles 2?
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Only got fogging on G2 if I exhale into them in the cold while putting em on. Easy fix with diver anti-fog solutions. Had colors set to cinelike / flat and the "auto" is way darker (prefer it that way tbh can see backlit branches) but can put EV to +1 or +2 and get them similar. Got a bunch a gear from you through the years; if you ever need a local product tester you know who to hit up ;)
@rotorgeeks2727
Жыл бұрын
@@TheTomJon cool, thanks for the reply and the shopping! I guess it's that Cinelike setting I don't like ;)
@nickrich710
Жыл бұрын
I am just starting out in the FPV world I have the tiny goal kit looking to upgrade on goggles now I know which ones to get the '03s are the best Happy holidays
@KOrnhOliO1
Жыл бұрын
You're right! Just wait for an update for the Goggles 2 to work better. It'll get much better....just be patient. 😎🤘
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
🤘🤘
@MichaelOcanaPhotography
Жыл бұрын
and hopefully the custom osd in goggles 2 will return not the betaflight osd
@le_ti_lik
Жыл бұрын
Bro loved the vid. Surprising results. I feel way better now that I know the v3's are a downgrade especially for backwards compatibility lol
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Ahhh my fav pilot comments on my videos 🥰🥰🥰
@le_ti_lik
Жыл бұрын
@@TheTomJon Hehe, thanks man. I thought it was hilarious but super informative. Like, I just said fuck it and bought a pair of v2 gogs after watching the vid. I was holding out for the gogs 2 but with them being super expensive in Europe and now this, I think v2 is the way to go. The question now is how the o3 would perform with aftermarket antennas like the truerc x2air combo. Also instead of a single DJI antenna, two aftermarket antennas on the o3. 🤔There's a lot of experimenting left to do. 😂😂
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Appreciate that bruv!! And glad to have helped with that decision!! As for antennas from Hugo (TrueRC); they will only improve everything! He's a wizard!!
@MrSmithFPV
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this nice comparison. Good job! 👌💯 I don't like this o3 fpv cam. It's nearly unusable in my opinion. The picture looks just dark. You can't see any details in shadow areas or when the weather is not sunny. There are no hdr functions. Just a sunny weather cam at this moment. Hope they come out with a new cam very soon.
@mikebergman1817
Жыл бұрын
I'm only a few min in, and I've got to point something out.. Those two saves on crossfire were incredible..
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. Yet to actually lose a drone somehow... Closest was a faulty RX failsafe over Revelstoke river at sunset... Luckily the LEDs were still on and we could spot it 30 feet down! Wetsuits for the win!
@quadthingcopter5984
10 ай бұрын
Hi. my integra goggles are great with the 03 air units have great penetration, but when i use my old vistas with the compatible firmware to run with integra or goggles 2 the range seems very poor mbs getting really low not even a kilometre away on my fixed wing, where as with the new dji 03 units on a quad the mbs does not move at bit the same distance? i thought my 03 air units seem to have a bit better penetration with integra compared to the vista with goggles v2, did you get to the bottom of the problem?
@skyrotfpv
Жыл бұрын
Great comparison. Thank you!
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@dukevah
Жыл бұрын
Excellent job! Really informative and to the point.
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir!
@richardamiss7000
Жыл бұрын
Wow! I wonder if DJI's dynamic power thing (if it actually exists) is bugged.
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Here's hoping...
@windwalkerfpv
Жыл бұрын
Wierd, haven't tried the V2 goggles and Goggles 2 are my first HD experience . Have yet to setup the O3 but got 5 packs in on a brand new vista. So far penetration was much better than analog and only started getting worse as I put a lot of trees and granite in front of me. Was flying much further and places I couldn't w/analog. Also, it felt better after loading the Betaflight 150hz freestyle hd preset for crossfire (plus locking on 150hz for the rx and turning of adc for the remote). I did have to load the vista firmware twice as it froze towards the end on the first try. Maybe I'm not getting the best out of it yet but seems like a huge improvement.
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Ahhh yes locking the control packet rate is essential! I really should mention little things like that. And I mean I'm kinda a rare case cuz I have a ton of analog experience and very minimal experience with this variable latency and variable frame rate... I'm hoping it all gets updates... and apart from the G2 with Vista everything is miles better than analog for sure!
@catmanfpv9213
Жыл бұрын
You can overlay the srt file to O3 dvr on v2 tho
@seb-depp
Жыл бұрын
Did you use the ham file? At least you could see stuff. With the analog it was crazy bad from the start. Interesting results about O3 V2 to 2 though not what others (JB for example) got.
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
On O3? Naw. Toiled over it but with Mads saying "it does nothing but it doesn't hurt" I decided to keep it all stock. And man lol I free like I am with analog the way Bane is with darkness.
@eyeflytinkerings
Жыл бұрын
@@TheTomJon It would be awesome if you could test again now that mads tech displayed the "real" ham hack that actually does work. Really hoping your results with the goggles 2 and o3 will be better.
@MysteryD
Жыл бұрын
The V1 and V2 goggles aren't box goggles. They have two separate screens, and a lens for each eye.
@ericjwli
Жыл бұрын
Maybe you had the 1200mW hack on the goggles V2? Thats whats giving you more power? And you should get the Ham file hack for O3 and the power difference will occur after you arm. Check Mad’s Tech’s newest videos on his corrections to previous statements
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I made a point and watched all his stuff and reviewed it before going out to film this.
@ruspro7060
Жыл бұрын
I finally understood everything
@reedfpv
Жыл бұрын
basically v2 with the stock antennas better, than the g2 with stocks. Probably the v2 stock antennas placed somewhat better.
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
I donno if vista + O3 FW uses h.265 or h.264 but that could be a massive determining factor as well.
@reedfpv
Жыл бұрын
@@TheTomJon i am pretty sure its h.264, no processing power on the old vtx
@eliokreier522
Жыл бұрын
Have you used the ham file and set up the drone right? You need a arming command to set the vista in full power mode.
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Went through Mads video and setup twice in the field. Keep getting getting this question tho so will run this test again next time I'm out and triple check everything. And yes vista was in full 50mbps according to OSD.
@eliokreier522
Жыл бұрын
Okay. I would also configure betaflight OSD to make sure it gets an arm command.
@kerrymillar4981
Жыл бұрын
a vista test with longer antenna and not the top mounted lipo blocking the standard vista antenna because the 03 antennas are longer makes a huge difference in penetration tests and the only difference between them from what ive found in my testing. mad,s tec in his tear down has already said its a vista with a upgraded camera for 4k recording added and also the 03 is a lot darker and less detailed than the 03 in the shadows and the colours are less natural. I still like the naked vista best because it weighs 12grams with the pro nano so think i will buy a new flywoo naked gopro 11 that i can move from quad to quad. When its 100mbps it will be a proper upgrade in picture quality as it stands its only a upgrade to buy the 02 googles
@hector-fpv
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this testing!! now if only you did not have to bind everytime you switch between vista and O3 in the old goggles... Cmon DJI
@jojomajo
3 ай бұрын
They just cut power in firmware for vista in goggles 2 update
@MrAshfly
Жыл бұрын
thankyou very helpful .
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@ror-ys3qp
Жыл бұрын
good video and results thanks
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Cheers m8
@Fly_High_FPV
Жыл бұрын
Thanks bud 💚
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Any time!
@oswaldgrimmelsworth9774
Жыл бұрын
Your dad is cool.
@ryswe
Жыл бұрын
Analog looked like dookie the whole flight, lol, goggles 2 + vista had variable frame rate which has always been the case with dji digital systems, that shouldnt be surprising but it seems more like the lag is a transmitter power issue -- were there any hacks performed on the v2 goggles or vista? the breakup seems like a power issue which could make a big difference in this sort of test, and could drastically change the experience you have with them. also, what a strange environment to test these systems, do people fly slowly around in the woods? seems like thatd be really boring to me, would rather fly around a house or building, but to each their own!
@infoaerialmaster
Жыл бұрын
Comments for the KZitem Gods*
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
You the best
@Joey.Alford
Жыл бұрын
Hey who’s that handsome guy at 0:32 😂
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Hopefully someone who'll be in future videos!
@fj1100mark
Жыл бұрын
Technically that’s not really keeping it legal as the rules state that the spotter must actually be stood next to you so as to be able to see exactly what you should be able to see
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Do you know if it states that you can't use doggos as spotters??
@fj1100mark
Жыл бұрын
@@TheTomJon I don’t think it does, but it probably not a good idea, unless the dog can talk to you and tell you what’s in the vicinity of your drone
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
I mean she only spoke Spanish when I first got her; her English is improving dramatically every day! And she's actually excellent at warning me of any changes in the vicinity!
@fj1100mark
Жыл бұрын
@@TheTomJon yeah mine is brilliant eyesight too, even though she’s only got one eye
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Awwwww. Give her some extra scritches behind the ears for me tonight please.
@ghiyatshisyam
Жыл бұрын
😮😮😮 v2 + o3 perfect
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Toss on some TrueRC antennas....
@WKfpv
Жыл бұрын
Dude is convinced they are box goggles
@verdi6092
Жыл бұрын
Is it bcoz gv2 has 4 omnis and g2 has 2 omni and 2 patch?
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
not sure... suspect it's more on the software side of thing.
@LehtusBphree2flyFPV
Жыл бұрын
You could be overheating your units while flying that slow
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
It was -4°C out during this... I highly doubt it.
@DesignRobot_co
Жыл бұрын
Knowing dji, they will keep tweaking the firmware on goggles2 until they get it right.
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Reaaaaally really really hope so!
@DesignRobot_co
Жыл бұрын
They always do
@Simofly
Жыл бұрын
@@DesignRobot_cothey always until next product …💸💸💸
@ror-ys3qp
Жыл бұрын
why do V2 in 50mbs mode...should be in 25mbs mode..
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Why's that? Every test was done at 50mbps
@ror-ys3qp
Жыл бұрын
@@TheTomJon I think most will use 25mbs because only have 4 channels with 50.
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
I have a sneaking suspicion that the majority of anyone flying more than 5 pilots at once would be using analog or HDZero... And this was a penetration test; why not use the max??
@ror-ys3qp
Жыл бұрын
@@TheTomJon our club has more than 4 flyers so we always fly the 25mbs to get more channels and longer range. I would think the range of 50mbs is less. Maybe put a vote on your channel to find out 50 or 25.
@hobbyxplorer
Жыл бұрын
I just got these and they are terrible. Lost my tiny whoop not even a half a block away in someone’s yard due to poor signal. Was excited coming from the V2 but this is deff a downgrade.
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
Yup lol
@cisnerosmike
Жыл бұрын
😀 big heavy goggles win! NOPE
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
🥲
@mcferran6720
Жыл бұрын
ohh no! i sell my goggles 2 and buy V2 again......
@DanielNavarroJr
Жыл бұрын
Let the man speak for God’s sake 😂
@TheTomJon
Жыл бұрын
My KZitem vids would be 2 hours long if I did that 🥰
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