For anyone wandering over here to understand the RigMetal chassis - I am a big fan of the RigMetal Sim Rig. However be aware the RigMetal kit is *very* DIY and requires the buyer really have a good understanding of how all these pieces work once you are done, and what kind of ergonomics, adjustment and flex you are going to get. I really consider this a 40-series extruded aluminum starter kit - you get discount over buying direct from an industrial supplier, pieces are precut with connecting hardware, and ships from within the US (which for a while was rare). My kit no longer looks that much like either of the suggested RigMetal builds. But that's what I was looking for when I bought this - a good set of starter parts. I have bought extra parts from other sites (like trak racer, treq, sim-lab) and you can add on pretty easily because these are industrial standards. For what you get this is still a pretty great deal for DIY starter kit.
@larrydysondev
7 ай бұрын
every 8020 is going to end up a diy affair especially when you start adding all your extras. i got my rig from advancedsimracing (ASR3)
@Recoil_Dave
11 ай бұрын
For anyone watching this that's new to sim rigs and body posture in them: this gentleman keeps referring to the "GT style" seating position as something akin to what you have in your passenger car. This is quite a misleading description, and it's used a multitude of times in this video. A "GT style" seating position is pretty close to an F1 style, but your feet are in line or just slightly below your butt on a horizontal plane. Your seat is also canted rearward at about 38 degrees, measured from the part of the seat that your butt is on. The type of seating position that the reviewer is desiring is something similar to a Honda Civic, or maybe even a half ton passenger truck.
@GTJesse
11 ай бұрын
That’s interesting and I could see the seat angle making a big difference here. The seat position I’m aiming for is more similar to my Subaru as that’s what’s comfortable for me. As a side note if I dropped my seat to the floor and tilted it back 38* I wouldn’t be able to see over the dash. At the end of the day it’s about getting into a position that’s comfortable, so while it may not technically be a “GT Style,” it’s the upright positioning that I’m referring to, and there are limitations to this rigs adjustability in that regard.
@xxxmandacaruxxx
9 ай бұрын
What you need are seat brackets, it will raise the seat and allow you to adjust the angle of the seat, and by extension the pedals angle to the actual GT seating position, the rig is fine, is understandable the seat bracket is not included at that price point (the majority don't). You just need some extras so you can get it exactly how you want it.
@JohnDoe-np3xd
4 ай бұрын
GT Jesse, but doesn't know the seating position of a GT car lol
@lam.924
Жыл бұрын
Hey, just thought I’d clear up a few points you made since I’ve had two RigMetal basic rigs. I had one of the original silver ones (sold it as I got out of the hobby) and recently purchased a black one on my return. They have always come with the pre-drilled wheel plates. They also do come with 2 pieces of profile to mount your seat. The seat isn’t just mounted to the bottom frame pieces. If anyone is worried about the basic models rigidity, I had a 20nm VRS DFP DD and it was solid as a rock. I purchased another VRS for my new rig as well.
@konkola3295
Жыл бұрын
I wanted to mount a VRS DFP on a RigMetal basic! I saw that the wheel mount accessory is only compatible with the Plus. Do I need to buy anything to mount it?
@lam.924
Жыл бұрын
@@konkola3295 you would just need the VRS mount and you can mount the base right to the profile.
@DisconnectedMinistry
Жыл бұрын
C’mon man. There’s nothing wrong with Rig Metal. Is the owner money hungry? Probably. But it’s still a good product for the price. I actually bought this rig BECAUSE OF YOUR initial video about it. And I’m glad I did. I have the same model, the same wheel and the same pedals as you. I raced dirt stock cars for years and managed to set my rig up to feel exactly like I did in my race car. Which, based on a stock chassis, isn’t far from a GT race car. Any race car is NOT gonna feel like a road car so I’m not sure what you’re looking for.
@GTJesse
Жыл бұрын
I never said he was money hungry, and don’t agree that he is. His prices are still very competitive compared to other options. What I did say was if you’re looking for a more upright position with more pedal articulation then you’d be better off getting the flagship. This rig has the bones for adjustability but the minimum default height of the pedal plate is too high for my preference. I still stand by my initial unboxing that it’s a quality rig at a fair price.
@gtifury310
8 ай бұрын
You know GT cars also have a fairly flat layout. Not the literal laying down position of the F1 cars, but the pedal position is fairly close to the height of the ass.
@GTJesse
8 ай бұрын
I’ve come to learn this, yes.
@wwjnz9263
11 ай бұрын
There are ways to get this rig adjusted to fit my needs. The first thing that comes to mind is to get casters so, I can easily push it out if the way when I am done using it. That should raise the entire rig by 3" at least, and give me the room I need to tilt the seat back and get a comfortable seating position. Also it's 40 series T slot. If I need to, I can easily modify it. I'll still buy it.
@DarrenMartin-bw8zi
7 ай бұрын
I think your title is VERY harsh based what you complain about in the video. There is nothing physically WRONG with the rig itself as purchased. You simply weren't able to place it in a setting you wanted because you lacked the extra hardware to do so. How is that the fault of the rig itself? It's like saying "Don't buy xx economy car because it comes with halogen bulbs, cloth seats and steel wheels with hubcaps versus the fully loaded one with HID projectors, leather interior and alloy sport wheels." The rig works perfectly for what it is and comes with. If you want to modify it beyond it's parameters then it is going to obviously cost you. The owner was not necessarily wrong in his response to you either. Ultimate adjustability comes with the highest spec rig (which you did not buy!) This comes across as rather salty, IMO
@GTJesse
7 ай бұрын
I’m really not salty, I’ve got the rig to where I want it now. But to say it works “perfectly” is a bit of an overstatement. The pedal deck has very limited adjustability. But regardless, it’s not that I don’t recommend RigMetal at all, it’s just that I don’t recommend this rig from them.
@DarrenMartin-bw8zi
7 ай бұрын
@GTJesse So you're saying that someone who wants a basic, economy rig without all the bells and whistles of a more expensive one SHOULDN'T buy this rig? And all because the pedal plate has "limited adjustability" in your opinion? Seriously, bro?
@GTJesse
7 ай бұрын
@DarrenMartin-bw8zi this isn’t RigMetal’s “basic economy rig” it’s the Plus. You know, the model between the RigMetal Flagship and the, wait for it, RigMetal *Basic*. It’s the rig they market as their “best value”, so not the cheapest economy kit, nor the most expensive. So at the price point of the Plus compared to the competitive landscape, that’s correct, I absolutely do not recommend. The flagship is a better value, or similarly priced product from a competitor. Honestly, bro, you’re the one coming across as salty here. I’m just sharing my opinion, you don’t need to get offended. Move on.
@ChrisSauer-oe5ve
9 ай бұрын
As a new buyer in the sims industry, I have looked at all 😵💫 and the things I look for is simplicity for adjustment & quality, cost, shipping. Remember you’re getting what you pay for.
@Alexkcaruso
Жыл бұрын
As a happy owner of a RigMetal Flagship, I think this is a great review. I don't agree with the other commenters that say you're being too harsh. I think your criticisms are valid and I know I would be frustrated if I'd bought the Plus and wasn't able to adjust the pedals to a comfortable position. I'm happy in the end with my Flagship, but the lack of support and clear instructions when it came time to assemble it definitely made me feel like I bought a value product, not a premium one. I'd still make the same choice to buy the Flagship over other cockpit options but I also believe there's room to improve on the design and assembly experience. Keep up the good work!
@GTJesse
Жыл бұрын
Hey Alex, thanks for the note buddy. I’m definitely with you on the instructions. I watched some unboxing videos for other mainstream rig companies and was surprised how much more streamlined and clear the instructions and build process were. Either way though I’m glad you’re liking the flagship. The Plus is working out just fine for me with the additional parts but I do wish I had gone for the flagship out of the gate just simply due to the more robust extrusions, etc.
@alessandrotremoletti9164
Жыл бұрын
hello nice rig!! I just assembled a rig with aluminum profiles and I can't figure out if it's normal to hear little tiks while using it. It is as if the corner seams are loose when in fact they are very tight. Do you also have this problem? Anyone who reads the comments and owns a rig has also encountered this problem?
@GTJesse
10 ай бұрын
Sorry for the delay, I had this problem for a while but seemed to go away once everything got settled
@travis2222
11 ай бұрын
What if I want that seating position? Would you recommend then?
@GTJesse
11 ай бұрын
I would encourage you to check out all of the options at and around the price point. The thing with 8020 setups is they’re easy to build up as you go so whether you get this rig or another 8020, you can always add to it as needed. As pricing and offerings are always evolving I’d just compare what’s out there.
@luuify
10 ай бұрын
11:10 99.8% of the profile rigs out there are exactly like this, really its your fault for not having brackets to adjust the height of your seat. With that said the way he responded to your question was really shitty to be fair.
@JasonXBeats
Жыл бұрын
Would you say the TR80 LITE RACING SIMULATOR is perfect for the gt DD pro - plus would it be big enough for someone 6’3
@GTJesse
Жыл бұрын
Yeah so that rig would be great for the DD Pro. As far as the height, as long as you get adjustable seat rails then you shouldn’t have any fitment issues.
@JasonXBeats
Жыл бұрын
@@GTJesse I’m trying to get in touch with people that have some experience as I’m just starting to get into this racing sim game and kinda excited
@GTJesse
Жыл бұрын
That’s fair bro! Welcome to the community! There’s a whole wide world of automotive culture to enjoy here. With the rig, if you have the space for a dedicated rig, I would always at this point recommend going with an 8020 setup. It will allow you to adjust and customize down the line where as a lot of the tubular setups are going to be limited.
@jasonfaga437
2 ай бұрын
Looks like to raise the seat you could turn the seat mount from flat to upright. Looks like that would have given an inch or more. I don’t own this, just something I thought I noticed.
@GTJesse
2 ай бұрын
I probably could have, although I was a little unsure of the stability when doing that
@jasonfaga437
2 ай бұрын
I did just buy this rig and for sure get extra height out of it by turning and is just as stable if you want to give it a go
@GTJesse
2 ай бұрын
@@jasonfaga437 good to know, thank you!
@spillwill72
Жыл бұрын
Hey man, welcome to the sim world. I just wanted to point out that your analysis and knowledge of extrusion rigs maybe should have come later after more research. I didn't want to be that guy, but there were way to many points that come from lack of knowledge. But hey this is your review so you can say what you feel. Just hopefully other newbie's will take it with a grain of salt.
@GTJesse
Жыл бұрын
I’ll be honest, I don’t really understand your comment. What points are you referring to that are coming from lack of knowledge? The only point that’s really up for debate is whether rotating the extrusions that the seat are on by 90 degrees would cause there to be any kind of fore/aft flex. I would argue that it could, but I don’t have the math to back it up. But it does seem that simple physics would support that. Taken from www.scienceworld.ca/resource/balance-baseics/ “Stable objects have both a broad base of support and a low centre of gravity.” Alternatively, “A tall object with a high centre of gravity and a skinny support will fall easily, because even a little sideways motion pushes the centre of gravity off the skinny support.” Hopefully that’s enough research. Take something that’s wide and short and rotate it 90 degrees so that it’s narrow and tall, and effectively double the height of the center of gravity and it will be less stable. Would there be ways to support those extrusions so they’re just as stable in the vertical position? Probably, but there aren’t any extra parts in the kit, so it’s still back to ordering more stuff.
@Battlerobot2
Жыл бұрын
@@GTJesse Hey, mechanical engineer here with a significant amount of experience using aluminum extrusion. I know you probably don't care about this any more but I can offer some more insight into why you could've rotated the extrusions 90 degrees. First off, your intuition is correct in that there would be more deflection in the extrusions if you mounted them vertically. But this is because you're increasing the torque relative to the base of the extrusion where it is attached (doubling it). That being said, aluminum t-slot extrusion is very stiff relative to its mass due to its cross sectional shape. It's almost like if you attached two I-beams together, rotating one such that the cross section is a plus sign. So while your intuition is correct, the fact is that it's probably neglibile, even with hundreds of pounds of braking force. If you were still concerned with it flexing, another set of corner brackets on the back side of the extrusion would've been enough. The source you listed is true, a free standing object is more stable with a larger base and low center of gravity. However, you are bolting it to the base of the chassis which makes the connection very stiff and stable. You're technically right, but in the end the difference wouldn't be perceivable.
@yohazem1
Жыл бұрын
This is making me nervous since I just ordered an 80/20. I don't want low seating position either, will have severe purchase regret if it turns out that way, lol. Got side mount brackets and a bucket seat which has some height adjustability so gonna find out how much that actually is. :D
@GTJesse
Жыл бұрын
The side mounts make a big difference! I wouldn’t be too worried if you’ve already ordered. The nice thing with 8020 is how modular it is.
@mitchelldoub8488
Жыл бұрын
Do your research before buying ANY COCKPIT!
@yohazem1
Жыл бұрын
@@GTJesse thanks Jesse , yeah it looks like from pictures the seat height is relatively high compared to other 80/20 rigs so I think I should be good. I too prefer GT style height position.
@yohazem1
Жыл бұрын
@@mitchelldoub8488 did a ton , ended up going with advanced sim racing.
@Therubbersluggchannel
4 ай бұрын
Next level f- gt elite, has much more adjustability, but if you buy one it will come with scratches on every part or the coating didn't even take and flakes off when pulling out of the packing, so after putting it together it looks like you had it for a decade. Like this rig but very disappointed in the quality of the finish.
@GTJesse
4 ай бұрын
That’s wild, is that a common thing? Seems like a QC issue, I’d be surprised if they don’t try to help out.
@Therubbersluggchannel
4 ай бұрын
@@GTJesse I have seen others with the same complaint, I just don't help them sell more by disclosing how poor the finish product comes.
@devast8r3436
Жыл бұрын
Why wouldn't you just buy a GT Omega prime lite and save some money? Ive had great experiences with my Titan and apex wheelstand from them. Just another option
@GTJesse
11 ай бұрын
I should have, but thought this was a good idea at the time. Turns out it wasn’t a bad idea, but it also wasn’t the best idea 😂
@SSRT_JubyDuby8742
Жыл бұрын
Shoddy customer service, nice review Jessie 👏 Like deployed 👍
@GTJesse
Жыл бұрын
Exactly Juby. It’s always a gamble buying from the smaller guys
@SSRT_JubyDuby8742
Жыл бұрын
@@GTJesse it is, but you did it for the best of reasons, just unlucky on this occasion
@GTJesse
Жыл бұрын
Yep, and at the end of the day the impact isn’t huge. Just meant I spent a bit more overall, and over time. But that’s the beauty of 8020, it’s all pretty universal. It would be nice to have the side mount option for the DD from Trak Racer though.
@yohazem1
Жыл бұрын
@@GTJesse surprised you didn't consider advanced sim racing
@GTJesse
Жыл бұрын
Their products look nice! I wasn’t even aware of them when I made the rigmetal purchase.
@JasonXBeats
Жыл бұрын
You look like the boxer Marcos Maidana or the actor Rupert Friend
@GTJesse
Жыл бұрын
Haha cheers man, those are two I hadn’t heard before. I got Joseph Gordon Leavitt once, was pretty proud of that!
@JasonXBeats
Жыл бұрын
@@GTJesse lol
@thoritissimgarage1482
Жыл бұрын
I don’t mean to be a *ick, but sometimes it’s very difficult for me not to be when I see videos like this. There are a lot of things wrong with your analysis of the rig and your conclusions (opinions). In summary, you failed to do your research before buying. Don’t blame your ignorance on a guy that is selling pre-cut 8040 aluminum extrusion and connectors packaged up as a product. If you need customer support for a rig that isn’t missing parts or damaged, you’ve likely done something wrong. By your own admission, you bought the mid-level rig because it was cheaper. Cheaper means less aluminum and steel (parts and sizes of parts), and therefore, smaller pieces with less strength and weaker connections. Moreover, buying plans and buying 8040 extruded aluminum that would match the $1000 rigs would cost you more to build than buying a package. Check the prices of buying 8040 extruded aluminum. “Forward and aft flex” for the seat members? Have you tried it? Are you a structural engineer? Most rigs use 4040 for cross members. Then ones you got look like 8040 members. I would have been better if you said that you had no clue what you were buying because you had no experience and now regret it rather than saying telling people “[d]o not buy this sim racing cockpit!” You come across as being vengeful.
@colrz1
Жыл бұрын
I would have to agree, I dont see anything wrong with this rig as it sits for the money.
@GTJesse
Жыл бұрын
My main points in the video were that the seating position has your feet more or less parallel with your hips, and even though there is a pedal plate with a lot of different articulation points, the design of the rig makes it so you really can’t utilize that articulation because everything is butting against the floor. I also complimented the wheel base mount, and mentioned my concerns about the seat height and adjustability. There’s nothing vengeful about the video. The statements I made aren’t opinions, they’re facts. The wheelbase is very adjustable, the pedals and seat are not. If you ask customer support what you can do to improve the solution, the response will be to buy the flagship, or more peripherals. Also a fact. It’s not unrealistic to expect customer service to answer queries when you’re trying to better understand their product. Something doesn’t have to be broken or missing. For anyone else looking to buy a rig, these are all important points to consider. I’ve never said anything vengeful about Rigmetal. The rig IS solid. It’s just limited. People should know that before they buy so they can make an educated decision.
@thoritissimgarage1482
Жыл бұрын
@@GTJesse Umm, the title of your video is "Do not buy this racing cockpit!" If this video is not a retaliation, maybe a more appropriate title would be something like, "Before you consider buying this cockpit" or "What I learned about sim rigs." The title of the video is a message to ward off customers from purchasing the rig because of your opinions and lack of knowledge before you purchased, not because there is anything wrong with the rig as sold. Of course the physical dimensions and adjustability of the rig are facts, but your orverriding message is that there are things wrong with the rig as sold in this configuration, which is not based in fact rather opinion because you did not understand what you were buying before you bought it. These 8020 rigs are like Legos. You cannot expect to buy a few Legos and make anything you want. Logically, one would consider the differences between the various models available for purchase, ask questions, then make an informed purchase. There are tons of videos on sim rigs here on KZitem. Before I bought mine, I did the research.
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