You shearly weren't screwing around on these tests. You've really nailed it.
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
lol. Thanks
@paulstan9828
5 жыл бұрын
Oh that’s bad. Ha!!
@BigZeus
5 жыл бұрын
Groan
@Trashencash
5 жыл бұрын
Oh I see you got jokes
@tinkmarshino
5 жыл бұрын
oooooo Herbie.. you saw it and called it!
@finnyr9330
5 жыл бұрын
Great test but a tad misleading. "Shear" testing should end in the fasteners breaking, not pulling out. According to a construction text book I have stashed away somewhere, fasteners are 6 times stronger when driven into cross grain at a right angle or five times stronger when toe nailed than when driven into end grain. This is why end grain fastening is always avoided or reinforced in construction applications except where there are no shear forces involved. So repeating this test driving into cross grain should have found actual shear limits of many of the fasteners. And I would be curious to know how accurate my book is. Keep up the great work. Thanks.
@crforfreedom7407
5 жыл бұрын
Your book is spot on. The methodology he used gave a comparison under equal conditions, but had he screwed into the side of the 4x instead of the endgrain, it would be interesting to see if the the added holding power gained would have caused the screw-heads to pop off vs. the nails. I wonder... He had to know that; I wonder if other than end-grain would have exceeded the limit of his scale? Some of those screws did a lot more bending than I thought they would have, a simple claw on a hammer demonstrates the "sheer" difference pretty quickly when you're pulling them with a hammer, and it's not nearly this close! In fact, it's virtually impossible to pull a screw with the claw of a hammer without breaking off the screw with very, VERY little force applied. You may have noticed the difference when he breaks the screws vs. the nails, the actual solid area is much smaller on the screw than the nail. It's also why we don't use nail-gun nails for door-jams, ETC; those nails (finish) have very little holding power and bend VERY easily compared to hand nails. I'm seeing guys use 100% screws on subfloors now. It goes against everything I was taught, but for a subfloor I suppose it makes good sense. It will ALWAYS boil down to cost and time on the job site....
@bobbastion7335
5 жыл бұрын
^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^
@nobodycares85
5 жыл бұрын
It's a good thing I looked through the comments, I was about to make the same point. With that said, since the tests are done all the same way, the comparisons probably still are fair.
@DENicholsAutoBravado
5 жыл бұрын
@@nobodycares85 absolutely. As the results were repeatedly similar, this means the test was accurate to the conditions. Changing the test parameters for other results would certainly be interesting and of value as well. Since wood can split sometimes when you go into the cross grain, I'm wondering of the results will be less repeatable or accurate. I'm thinking cross grain varies in pattern more. This may make testing show too great of a variation in results, but without the testing done this is just a hypothesis.
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the constructive feedback!
@kaneamora7371
5 жыл бұрын
Just thinking about the work put into this. Between buying the supplies, cutting all the wood, putting in all the nails and screws, testing each one, then going into editing the footage, voice over, and making the graphs. Great work. 😄
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!!
@DENicholsAutoBravado
5 жыл бұрын
My channel would blow up if I applied his effort for sure!
@foxwood67
5 жыл бұрын
Thats why we or at least me contribute a bit to patreon so he can do these entertaining tests
@bigmac575
5 жыл бұрын
His effort and thoroughness are unmatched on the internet when it comes to how simple and "low-budget" (he doesn't have a team of graphic designers or editors) his videos are. I wish I had the resources to contribute to his Patreon, because I feel bad for not paying him for his knowledge. Lol
@DENicholsAutoBravado
5 жыл бұрын
@@bigmac575 I agree. I've spent dozens of dollars on a KZitemr who enhanced my profession greatly. It was Google Opinion Rewards. That still hurt some as occasionally I've needed a professional Google Play App and I couldn't. In a way, those bits of suffering made me smile and honored a friend and mentor.
@Anonymous-it5jw
4 жыл бұрын
The metal fatigue jig was an inspired idea; it shows that a person can perform his or her own tests, with repeatable results, on the fasteners they want to use, using easily available shop items, and a little ingenuity. Separating facts from hype can be problematic, but in construction, where safety is always an issue and tempting shortcuts abound, it's good to know you can test a fastener's shear strength, pull-out resistance, and proneness to metal fatigue in your own shop after watching this video and applying fairly simple testing principles. Thanks for another great test of the things we all use and rely on to be up to the requirements of the job.
@ProjectFarm
4 жыл бұрын
You are welcome!
@RubenKelevra
5 жыл бұрын
0:36 I like how you attach the puller by screws and not nails 😅
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
lol. None of them sheared. Thank you!
@RubenKelevra
5 жыл бұрын
@ well, the puller doesn't really do any pressure on those screws anyway, since it grabs around the wood by itself.
@rayhai6781
5 жыл бұрын
@ mh you didn't watched the video?^^ all screws were pulled out of the wood
@turbo2ltr
5 жыл бұрын
@@rayhai6781 I think hes talking about the screws that just keep the "T" board from slipping out of the C channel. 99% of the pulling force is transmitted to the T board through the C channel itself, not the screws holding the C channel to the T board.
@wobblysauce
5 жыл бұрын
+
@4thephil
5 жыл бұрын
The best testing I've seen to date. So much more real-life than hitting them with a hammer. Well done!
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@krisdestruction
3 жыл бұрын
Hitting with a hammer is super misleading, because that tests shear brittleness from impact instead of shear force. Glad we have this video!
@kenp9199
3 жыл бұрын
WE LOVE THIS GUY! DEFINITELY the best of the best at comparisons of what we use, absolute dedication!
@stevej6824
5 жыл бұрын
I wish I was your neighbor. I would love to be part of all these tests. I love this sort of stuff, building and testing things for real world scenarios. You’re time and effort you put into these test is second to none. Thank you sir.
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@cap871
3 жыл бұрын
I love how you take such a logical, repeatable scientific approach to your work. You have a concept, make appropriate jigs etc to test and then test. Science teachers in high schools should use your videos to show kids how to properly research a thing.
@ProjectFarm
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment!
@BluRibTac
Жыл бұрын
yes, to show them how to science. then we need someone to show everyone how the Socratic method works as well, then we might have a really great world.
@ThatCarGuyYT
5 жыл бұрын
The only Chanel I trust for good , entertaining and honest tests
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@mikeavgi7709
5 жыл бұрын
Put faster into wood cross grain not with grain will result in screws breaking / shearing off before nails...
@mytexasdays1526
4 жыл бұрын
I'm here a year after you uploaded this because Hurricane Hanna blew out a 20' section of my 1 x 6 x 6 picket fence and a side gate. Super duper test. You made it easy to choose what to use this time. Found your channel during quarantine and it is the best of all.
@ProjectFarm
4 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear of the damage! Glad to know you can now watch. Glad I can help. Thanks so much!
@mlw19mlw91
3 жыл бұрын
Lag bolts!
@RowdyRide
5 жыл бұрын
Since you finished testing oils, could you test oil filters? Love your content
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Great suggestion! Thank you
@mr.smoker4147
5 жыл бұрын
I agree with this request! There are many videos out there of people cutting filters open, but I really want to see the filters put through the Project Farm gauntlet.
@shitboxoffroad
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah pump some oils and crud through them!
@toysareforboys1
5 жыл бұрын
Purolator PureONE oil filter!!! If it beats Amsoil filters I'll be shocked!!!
@narlycharley
5 жыл бұрын
I'm a fan of the Fram Ultra filers.
@kendallknight3249
4 жыл бұрын
This is high quality work. I've seen academic papers with less experimental rigor.
@ProjectFarm
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@Patrick-857
3 жыл бұрын
Pity it's not actually testing shear strength.
@garyhubley
3 жыл бұрын
@@Patrick-857 You're correct. However, it's measuring real world application. Far more important IMO.
@PaulMikna
Ай бұрын
@@garyhubley Agreed.... It's instructive for real world applications. He does a wonderful job of testing without the resources of a university, for example.
@kennethpowers8995
3 жыл бұрын
Those GRK construction screws work very well. I’m a General Contractor and we use them on builds all the time. As a matter of fact I also have a few small wooden cabinets on my garage which I framed & built with the GRKs. The shelving setup is simple 1 X placed horizontally on either side, and then the shelf just lays on top. This simple yet effective method using the GRKs is currently holding up a ton of weight with the various shelving used to hold everything from shelves with my huge collection of shop fluids/aerosols on them to cases of bottled water and Gatorade on others as well as canned goods/non perishable food storage and pet supplies. In short, They hold their weight.
@Toddtoddy78
4 жыл бұрын
As a carpenter I find this information extremely valuable. The shocker for me was that ring shank nails can’t tolerate that much movement. They are my go to fasteners in framing applications. But with this info I’ll be sure to avoid them on very old shifting homes which I work on often. Thanks for all the great content!
@ProjectFarm
4 жыл бұрын
You are welcome.
@Susan70003
Жыл бұрын
Which one will you use instead?
@danwildhaber8178
Жыл бұрын
@@Susan70003 Galvanized if any water or exposure to elements is involved, also with pressure treated. Green vinyl for general framing, ring shanks for particle board underlayment. Reference the building code for size and nailing pattern.
@Susan70003
Жыл бұрын
@@danwildhaber8178 Thank you.
@justythrasher
4 жыл бұрын
This channel has become one of my top 5 on KZitem.
@ProjectFarm
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@martingriego6800
4 жыл бұрын
Mine to mr project
@Juice556
5 жыл бұрын
As an engineer who has done comparative and destructive testing, I am extremely impressed with what you did here. I wish I had your creativity and perspective when I was in that area of work. I love watching your videos and seeing which products do and do not llive up to the hype.
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@shotgun2a
5 жыл бұрын
I'm curious, from an engineering point of view, do you see any potential issues with the experiment shown here?
@0115Heather
4 жыл бұрын
My pap always said “why put a nail where you can put a screw” I’ve always lived by this statement. I guess the application should be considered before deciding on a fastener. Good work brother
@CrJoltFire
4 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget (in the case of decks especially) seasonal and weather caused expansion and contraction of wood, nails allow for some of this movement, while screws do not. The wood is still going to move which means cracks, splits and the shear strength will come into play to some extent.
@ViolentMLG
4 жыл бұрын
@@CrJoltFire Sounds about accurate. I had lived in a home with a big porch that was only a few years old, within about 2-3 years it started to crack in some places.
@john-paulsilke893
3 жыл бұрын
On some applications you use both plus glue. Such as subfloors and especially internal stairs covered in hardwood. Otherwise you get squeaky steps/floors.
@mq9167
3 жыл бұрын
THat is ONLY true if you are looking for holding strength. Sheer strength Is based on vertical pressure on a horizontal fastener. holding strength is like a vertical screw pointing up and then pulling down on it.
@grantmuhonen5337
3 жыл бұрын
Haha I'd love to see a guy frame a while house with just screws 😂 imagine the time it would take! Plus then all your fastener joints would fail when the wood moves
@deweys
5 жыл бұрын
Really impressed with all the home brew testing jigs you put together for this!
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!
@lcusatis
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, my thought exactly. A lot of effort must go into making a 13 minute video.
@misplays_irl1261
3 жыл бұрын
man this has to be the most wholesome youtube channel. thank you for all your testing. i also really love all the lawnmower vids, like the piston/head testing. great stuff. its amazing you do all this just for public knowledge , no sponsorship. bravo sir
@ProjectFarm
3 жыл бұрын
You are welcome!
@inNYCC
4 жыл бұрын
Wife: "hunny, would u like some coffee?" Him : "sure, lets go to the store n buy 6 different brands, n test which 1 is best" Just kidding, love your videos.
@ProjectFarm
4 жыл бұрын
lol Thanks for watching.
@triktrak_1451
4 жыл бұрын
What? That's actually how I do it!
@yunthi
3 жыл бұрын
damn, id watch that. tests for acidity and whether brewing them cold reduces that (is at least supposed to). with a few brands marketed as stomach friendly in the mix. maybe check if boiling it in a kettle as opposed to a machine makes a difference. along with the affects of milk and sugar. leave a white cup filled with coffee for a month, see how much each brand stains the cup. and ofc a chemical analysis of the caffeine content/cup.
@rnemovr59
3 жыл бұрын
Coffee: New bold flavor Project Farm: we're going to test that Coffee: oh crap
@bend4236
3 жыл бұрын
Can this coffee lubricate an engine? Let's find out.
@davidelang
5 жыл бұрын
This showed the pull-out strength of the fasterns in end grain more than the sheer strength of them. It ould have been better to fasten them into the side of the 4x4 rather than the end. I think you would have seen a lot more strength from the screws (and some of the nails) and hit the breaking point on more of the screws. I don't know if it would be reasonable/fair/required to have something preventing the piece being pulledon fro moving away from the base piece (again to make sure the failure is sheer, not pullout)
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the constructive feedback. I've already built the required hardware (in my head) to achieve the objective you're described. I also need to use a much harder wood. The wood I used will come apart before most of the nails and screws shear
@esimler
5 жыл бұрын
I don’t pull out
@flinx
5 жыл бұрын
@@ProjectFarm I appreciate this softwood test since it's similar to framing methods.
@camo7452
5 жыл бұрын
can you please do bolts and screws from concrete ? :D
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Great test idea! I just did some additional welding on the test jig. I've tested it at 5,000 pounds and it should have plenty of strength!
@flinx
5 жыл бұрын
@@ProjectFarm Please also include masonry and lead sleeve anchors in solid concrete! I anchored a toilet to basement concrete and I wonder how strong the anchor really is compared to the packaging claim. Thanks for doing this shear test. It makes me feel OK about using some GRK's in a project where I couldn't hammer everywhere.
@georgetinc9578
5 жыл бұрын
Tapcons and wedge anchors and Drive its would be an interesting test.
@aaronrudd2690
5 жыл бұрын
Epoxy set all thread is a common one i see in the welding industry
@Corrupted355
5 жыл бұрын
That's a great idea. I've always suspected those stupid lead wedge anchors were garbage, but who knows? Hilti and Tapcon and Red Head, Oh My!
@vinny6935
Жыл бұрын
This is INCREDIBLE. Thank you so much for taking the time to come up with a test strategy like this that puts the fasteners on a level playing field! My wife and I installed our kitchen upper cabinets with 3" deckmate screws. I wasn't thinking about the shear strength design of the screws while we were installing things; I know from experience their holding power is incredible, but kitchen cabinets also put a lot of shear force on the screws too. I started thinking about it today and wondered if we should have used something else, like the GRK's. I'm glad to see how well the deckmate screws did, especially that none of them snapped in raw shear tests! We overbuilt and put screws in every 12", so based on these tests I think we're fine. :) Thank you!
@ProjectFarm
Жыл бұрын
Thanks and you are welcome!
@realnewsthatmatters9319
4 жыл бұрын
After watching the previous video, and now this one, I have a whole new respect for drywall screws. Loving this channel btw.......
@ProjectFarm
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Juice556
5 жыл бұрын
I would still love to see some destructive testing on Snap On, Husky, Harbor Freight, Gearwrench and Craftsman wrenches, sockets, and ratchets. See how much force various modes of failure require.
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@UserNameAnonymous
5 жыл бұрын
That would be really expensive, even by PF standards. Support Project Farm on patreon if you're not already!
@MoneyManHolmes
5 жыл бұрын
Have you ever had a hand tool fail on you? I’ve never had a wrench fail on me. Maybe a generic socket wrench or two. I learned my lesson with the busted knuckles.
@barrylinkiewich9688
5 жыл бұрын
@@MoneyManHolmes I've had ratchets barf their guts out and sockets break plenty of times, that's not even that difficult if you can brace your body and aren't a scrawny lil feller. On the other hand, I've only broken the poorest of closed end wrenches and that was with a cheater bar.
@jakeshaw6827
5 жыл бұрын
You should check out a channel called Ave. He does alot of videos like that and he's funny as hell.
@drakelandwillitts5975
3 жыл бұрын
This guy is a genius, the test jigs he comes up with and builds are always innovative and ingenious. He always does his tests are always very scientific, and I love how he shows all his statistics he gathers from repeatable tests
@ProjectFarm
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@Anonymous-it5jw
4 жыл бұрын
This was a very well-designed and useful test. You are a genius at devising practical tests on things that people actually use and need to know about. I have one comment on the shear strength test with the fastener being inserted into the center of the 4x4 - as I watched this great test, I noticed that the shackle that held the 4x4 in place was not tightened down after each new piece of 4x4 was inserted for the next test, nor was a wedge used to keep it from moving. This allowed a small amount of motion to occur so that when the device pulled upwards on the fastener, it also pulled the end of the 4x4 up, and the effective pulling angle went from 90 degrees to approximately 85 degrees or less. This converted the test from a true shear strength test to a modified test where the strength being measured was the amount of pull required to remove or break the fastener when being pulled on at an acute angle, but at less than a right angle. Because the pulling force tends to pull the fastener up through the wood fibers until it comes out, thus continually changing the pulling angle, the small movement of the 4x4 inside the loose shackle may make no practical difference, and may more accurately reflect real world shearing conditions, but you are a detail-oriented person who pays attention to such things, and if you have the time, you might want to review the videos and repeat one or two of the shear tests off-camera to determine if the loose shackle affected the results of the test in any way. A test idea for you, if you haven't already done it, would be to devise a test of the effects of the chemicals used in treating wood on the types of fasteners you tested here. Using bright nails or untreated fasteners in treated wood is a recipe for disaster, and on home construction can result in a house being condemned as unsound and unsafe in only a year or two. The question is how long do these fasteners last without rusting out or losing strength, when used on treated wood. Thanks again for this video and for all the videos you do. You help more people than you know with the results of your testing.
@ChilledfishStick
5 жыл бұрын
I'm not an expert, so I'm only asking. Are those tests really testing shear strength? I'm asking because you were pulling them out, and not actually breaking them.
@DennisLewanowicz
5 жыл бұрын
No it wasn't. Shear strength would be holding it straight in 2 areas and measuring the force it takes to shear it in half.
@ChilledfishStick
5 жыл бұрын
@@DennisLewanowicz That was my suspicion. Thanks.
@kingduckford
5 жыл бұрын
Usually his tests are good, this one is either misleading or just plain garbage.
@DennisLewanowicz
5 жыл бұрын
@@kingduckford I agree with the first part, typically his tests are spot on. This one however was just measuring pull out strength in a different direction.
@menchelke
5 жыл бұрын
@@kingduckford I wouldn't say it's garbage. It's still applying a lateral load to the fastener. Maybe like how hydraulic press does it. Steel jig, with a 1" hole in the middle, and use a press (if he has one) that can measure applied force, and press down through the 1" hole until the fastener shears. The screws and nails would need to be able to locked in some how, and it would be shearing it at 2 points. But then I am no expert on any of this. I still think the tests ran give a lot of useful info.
@RichSobocinski
3 жыл бұрын
You should compile all of your various tests in a book format to sell. I would buy that.
@cefb8923
3 жыл бұрын
This
@nekodylenkner2556
3 жыл бұрын
I'd pay for a book which had clear instructions as to make each testing rig.
@markmcconnell8705
3 жыл бұрын
But which publisher and which materials for the constructionr? Should it be hard or paper back? Should I use lenticular printing for the images?
@nekodylenkner2556
3 жыл бұрын
@@markmcconnell8705 Which publisher is the best? We're gonna test that!
@MrDriftspirit
2 жыл бұрын
@@cefb8923 language is something flexible, its changeable, its sometimes how you like. and he and i like THAT. du klugscheißender vollpfosten
@vibingwithvinyl
5 жыл бұрын
How about testing car batteries? Cranking amperage hot and cold, advertised capacity etc.
@thatclintguy
5 жыл бұрын
I would be happy to help Project Farm with designing an electrical measuring solution that would work for pretty cheap, because I would be very interested in that test!
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video idea!
@thevault2317
8 ай бұрын
I never put much thought into nails or screws until opening my own business and coming across free Tools & containers of nails/ screws. I started putting them beside each other to see the difference and still not realizing how many different selections they've made for us. But I did realize with all these tools for me to sell/scrap/throw away/give away or keep them, there was only one choice here and that is obviously to keep them but not knowing how to use them. I've never been a handyman or never really need it tools besides maybe a hammer or screwdriver. So now I realize it's time for me to take up a new challenge.. man up and learn the trade like every man should know. There's no other option around it because if I'm not good this is the time to get good because this is not one of those ideas you have and toss it out the window if you don't like it. You're a man you supposed to be building things cuz one day there's going to be a little lady from your mom to your wife it's going to need your expertise thinking her man knows everything! So you better be a contractor or be a damn good actor😂 so right now I'm barely studying measurements I'm taking on projects to where I'm just learning do I use Nails screws when do I paint it and do I just throw on paint over anything I come by is there steps and I'm 43 years old....🤔I think. I'm a new subscriber and thank you for making this channel because I'm watching videos and making projects one by one as you make yours
@ProjectFarm
8 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing! Thanks for watching and subscribing!
@OneIroNauT_1
5 жыл бұрын
Look at the difference in damage between the nails and screws, screws definitely rip apart the wood on the way out. Great content. I appreciate all the hard work, effort and time you put into all of your content. #ProjectFarmTestedandapproved
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Great point on the damage! Thanks for the positive feedback!
@hanktassin9407
5 жыл бұрын
Very much agreed. Informative, real world products being tested for us, with no bias, and great thought/effort being applied. Appreciate this channel!
@OneIroNauT_1
5 жыл бұрын
@TheCheesePlease- What are you talking about? I just made a comment about the difference in damage on the Wood. I'm not sure what got you so worked up. Not really sure I care to know.
@ThePrufessa
5 жыл бұрын
Well duh! Nails are smooth screws are screwed. That was pretty obvious before the video was even created.
@alex-marquette
5 жыл бұрын
Given that screws basically can dig into the surrounding area of the hole made. The teeth of the screws help prevent pull-outs occurring. Basically what is happening when a screw isn't taken out properly, is that you're actually reaching a limit to how much force the wood will bear before it breaks and let's go thanks to the cellulose fibers that are held with lignin binder. The stronger that bond the more force needed to break the bond that the fibers and binder have created. Keep in mind that he also tested them with the screws going with the grain which makes it even stronger bond to break meaning more force needed which we know by the 3rd law of gravity for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction and you don't fuck with physics.
@Staedlter
3 жыл бұрын
Your videos are absolutely amazing. The sheer amount of time it takes to create these comparison tests for our viewing pleasure is very much appreciated. Thank you for all that you do.
@ProjectFarm
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@DonnieBigBucks
5 жыл бұрын
Dude, I love your comparison testing. You've already helped me out on several purchases. Thanks a bunch!
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@jeffreyyoung6885
2 жыл бұрын
Again, you do so much work to give us these videos, there is no way I could do these videos! I can see how much work you put in you're videos, for us!! I'm not the only one that can see this! I see all you're comments, we all love what you do for us, please keep doing what you do and we will all be here to watch!! Thank you again my friend!
@ProjectFarm
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@dukeman7595
5 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed the test with nails and screws, I was surprised with the results, I thought the screws would shear before the nails. Thanks again.
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@jhsplaya
5 жыл бұрын
First one here Supporting Project Farms! Keep up the good work!
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!!!
@electronicsNmore
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video Todd! Your testing videos are the best on KZitem. :-)
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the positive comment and thank you for your terrific videos that you create! I look forward to them every week and recommend them to everyone.
@caiobabe
4 жыл бұрын
Good testing methods. Great video. As a General Contractor here in Kalifornia where building standards are the most stringent, I can say that the most applicable and demonstrative test method as it would apply to earthquake concerns would be the last test. The destructive energy leading to failure is the back and forth movement from an earthquake. No city building department will approve of an all screw construction. One can use screws, as I do too, but they must be in addition to nails and cannot be substituted. One slight exception is the use of screws made by Simpson-Strong Tie but they must be spec'd in the blueprints when submitting plans.
@Qui-9
4 жыл бұрын
Loving your videos more and more. You set your tests up very diligently and provide information for the rest of us, saving us the effort. I consider your tests "proactive" and consumer reviews "reactive" and both augment each other. Anyone can do a consumer review, but what you do, I consider an exceptional service. Keep up the good work! 👌🍻
@ProjectFarm
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@toddshonts
5 жыл бұрын
I liked this video. Most wall framing will be fastened just like you tested cross grain fastened to end grain but most decking will be cross grain onto cross grain. I would guess that cross grain onto cross grain would put more stress on the nail or screw in a shear test. Put another way I think the wood would be stronger in a cross grain to cross grain situation.
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Great point! Thank you
@jdjeep98
5 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see the same tests with the nails/screws in side grain rather than end grain. I've found that screws hold very well in side grain, but nails and screws don't hold as well in end grain.
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@rebeccadonaldson1464
4 жыл бұрын
Precisely, which is why when you have to fasten to end grain you drill at right angles to the grain and insert a dowel which takes the thread of the screw across the grain. Knockdown furniture makers copy this with a metal dowel threaded for a set screw.
@stephenspreckley8219
4 жыл бұрын
Great point and I would like to see this test using Aussie hardwood, I would suggest Grey Gum or Iron Bark.
@kristofferbeder
4 жыл бұрын
Carpenter here. Yep. I had I stop watching. End grain has less than half the holding strength. There is a shear rating on nails and screws because they will actually shear when properly installed. These tests only showed how poor end grain is for fastening.
@64maxpower
4 жыл бұрын
@@kristofferbeder it bothered you so much you had to stop watching because of the misinformation? I was thinking since every test was done from the end grain that the results were consistent. If you did watch until the final results, what do you think would be different?
@unclemikeb
3 жыл бұрын
As always, a comprehensive and well thought out comparison. Amazing. I'm so glad I chose to use deck screws for the building of my 10 x 20 barn. When working alone it is hard to hold pieces in place and hammer. I would drill a pilot hole, start the screw and bring the matching piece into place, then hit it with the battery powered screw gun. So much easier, plus that thing is so tight together, it doesn't even squeak in 60 mph winds! Plus now if I decide to add to it, I can just remove some screws and go to it.
@ProjectFarm
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@slipperyslope3912
Жыл бұрын
Mind is blown that a seemingly flimsy drywall screw outperformed everything (including GRK's). Wouldn't have believed it, if not for your test. Thank you!
@ProjectFarm
Жыл бұрын
You are welcome!
@microdesigns2000
3 жыл бұрын
Great video! We bought a cool house but it was 30 years old and needed a lot of work. Everything was built with nails in the early eighties. We tore out the carpet before construction. As I walked through the house over the next few weeks, I could hear the terrible annoying squeaking of the floorboards. Before we put in new carpet, we put down about six hundred screws and pulled as many nails as we could find. The result was beautiful silence. We owned that house for seven years and never a squeak.
@ProjectFarm
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing.
@cherry01995
5 жыл бұрын
You should test how much top end weight a 2x4, 2x6, 2x8, 2x10 can handle before breaking or flexing to a certain point
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video idea!
@gearkicker2442
5 жыл бұрын
How about testing construction adhesives like liquid nails vs it's competition ?
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video idea!
@igorstranenski5418
3 жыл бұрын
The galvanized spiral shank are used along the Gulf of Mexico for stick construction, we put two nails in place of one wherever we could. Most walls are hurricane proof, roofs however are a different story. Interesting topic and test thank you..
@ProjectFarm
3 жыл бұрын
You are welcome!
@orlandomah1186
4 жыл бұрын
I really like your videos. I always think about how much time you put into all the preparation, not to mention the design and set-up of the jigs. Superb!!
@ProjectFarm
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@colinblanks917
4 жыл бұрын
Really enjoy watching your videos, I find them very interesting and informative. I try to use your test results to help me make decisions on what to buy where possible, I appreciate the time and effort that's put into these test.
@ProjectFarm
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@jimbo2.094
5 жыл бұрын
I’d love to see a test of various lag screw holding ability. I use them to hang shelves from my garage ceiling and am curious as to how much weight it takes them to pull out. Awesome videos!
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video idea!
@Twiggyay
3 жыл бұрын
The commitment this guy constantly shows is incredble. Not a single bad video, and not a shred of dishonesty involved. The biggest cred imaginable to the biggest MVP.
@ProjectFarm
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@teejaye110
5 жыл бұрын
I spent all day pulling 4 inch spiral nails and in my experience these are the hardest nails to pull. I think they lock in tighter as the boards see weather
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Dan0__
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video... Thanks! I'm curious though about the Back & Forth test. It's a great comparison but in real life you would never see a fastener put in that situation, bend it 45° and expect it to hold. I wonder how many times you would have to move it back and forth by only a degree or two to get it to break.
@stephenvickery4777
5 жыл бұрын
I am wondering if the results would be different if the fasteners were put in across the grain of the wood, rather than in the end of the grain?
@TerryPullen
4 жыл бұрын
@Mr Brightside Wall studs are installed just that way, by nailing through the top or bottom plate and into the end grain of the stud.
@TerryPullen
4 жыл бұрын
@Mr Brightside Forgive me if English is not your first language, we may not be understanding words the same way. - In reality way, way, way, over 90% of all stud walls are joined by driving two nails through the side of a Plate and into the end grain of a Stud. And, when a wall assembly undergoes uplift or sideloading the joints will experience both tension and shear. So in the States, these wall assemblies and the joints that make them are actually required in the building code to withstand both forces.
@PaulGreggBYRC
4 жыл бұрын
Very nice video and testing. I am a retired aerospace R&D engineer, and we did very similar testing on composite and titanium joining processes, like fasteners, welding, and bonding, but with better test equipment, and for a lot more money. One observation, someone might have already asked. You said that the screws were "brittle", but I doubt if the metal screws are made of would be called brittle. It must take a lot of ductility to form a screw shape. I might suggest what you are calling "brittle" is really a stress concentration. Anytime a fastener, or any material carrying load, has a notch, a hole, or even a scratch, it's fatigue properties are degraded. Whenever there is a geometric disruption, the loads will get concentrated at that point. For instance, the general stress concentration of a hole in a metal sheet is 3.0, meaning the stress is multiplied by 3.
@ProjectFarm
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback.
@henrison
5 жыл бұрын
did anyone notice that most of the time is the wood failing and not the screws/nails ?
@originalname9999
5 жыл бұрын
Wood vs metal.
@IFearlessINinja
5 жыл бұрын
Correction: Large wood with low concentration factor vs small metal with large concentration factor Harder would would easily shear weak screws in this test, despite metal having a much higher tensile strength
@diligenceintegrity2308
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, exactly! I was going to ask if the wood could vary as well. Trees can be weaker or stronger depending on how much rain and sun are received.
@alphazuluz
5 жыл бұрын
The main problem here was him using the end grain of the wood. It is so much weaker.
@KitkatJohn
5 жыл бұрын
Would be nice to see the actual shear strength of each of the nails and screws. Do you think you could redo these tests, but not rely on wood to immobilize? I stopped this vid after realizing I was seeing a test of the wood strength more that the nail/screw strength.
@stevenvanheel3932
5 жыл бұрын
I would like to see a comparison of using multiple wood screws vs using a single lag screw.
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Great suggestion! Thank you
@Mark-sn6kh
5 жыл бұрын
Do it!@@ProjectFarm
@MeltingRubberZ28
5 жыл бұрын
Good suggestion. Would like to see that as well.
@shawnk6490
5 жыл бұрын
Ohh yeah! You could toss in a carriage bolt too. I know it’s not always possible to have all three options in a given application, but still good to know what would be best.
@bullainsworth3130
2 жыл бұрын
This test really added some perspective to the wood glue test for me. It was stunning to see just how strong the bond is with just wood glue. A side by side test of fasteners and glue would be quite interesting. One test I’d like to see for both would be fastening and gluing boards parallel rather than perpendicular to the end grain. Then see how tough it is to pull them apart. Great video as always!
@ProjectFarm
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Thanks for the video idea.
@lambdaprog
5 жыл бұрын
You absolutely "nailed" it! Idea for an episode: Anti corrosion solutions
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Lol. Thank you for the video idea!
@ljprep6250
2 жыл бұрын
Great test, PF. I ran a handyman service for ten years and used screws exclusively for ramps, decks, porches, fences, and gates. Nary a problem. But when I hammered sinkers into DF tubafores for a work platform to reroof my pump house, it collapsed the third time I climbed it. I was standing there in the middle with a package of asphalt tabs when it started slowly bending over. I shifted the roofing onto the roof and rode it down, laughing all the way. Screws fixed it and the bag of sinkers is slowly rusting away with disuse. Deck screws are my go-to hardware fastener. When building fences, I showed the client a board fastened with a 1-5/8" pneumatic installed nail, a 2-1-2" galv nail, and a 1-5/8" deck screw. With one whack of my elbow, I could knock the nailer board off, loosen the nailed board, and not touch the screwed board. They all chose the screws and paid a little bit extra for the hardware costs and time. Screwed projects are also quick to repair. Shearing just isn't a factor in well built construction.
@ProjectFarm
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Thanks for sharing.
@intothecalm420
5 жыл бұрын
Seriously! 2 ads before the vid? I didn't know that could happen.
@ariellezen4683
5 жыл бұрын
Get KZitem vanced
@reeepingk
5 жыл бұрын
Just be happy he's still getting monetized. Everyone else on youtube is getting demonitized now-a-day for seemingly no reason.
@intothecalm420
5 жыл бұрын
@@reeepingk It's fine. I was just surprised.
@budsatawny
5 жыл бұрын
Great video I gotta show this to the fellas at work as they think the more nails the more it will hold...LOL
@DownloaderVideo
2 жыл бұрын
Man, I get amazed on every single video. As said by the others, the effort, scientific approach and final polished video that you bring really make you the best on KZitem. I don’t buy a screw without checking if you have a video about it first. Thanks a lot for all the knowledge you provide us.
@ProjectFarm
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks and you are welcome!
@unclemuir
5 жыл бұрын
Maybe a comparison of nails and screws made in the USA VS. China.
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video idea!
@jamess3417
5 жыл бұрын
AvE did this with bolts
@johndor8993
5 жыл бұрын
Your not going to find usa made nails or screws in the box stores, cuts into their profit margins. The best bet is to get made in taiwan, like the grk's.
@petefletcher
5 жыл бұрын
Screws or nails into end grain? Neither are really designed for this.
@Sharpless2
5 жыл бұрын
and yet it gave different results for different products. 100% success if you ask me.
@Sharpless2
5 жыл бұрын
@Old Man Yama i can safely say no one does, except for the safety pussies.
@thetapper61
5 жыл бұрын
All top and bottom plates of wall frames are nailed into the top and bottom of studs which is end grain.
@petefletcher
5 жыл бұрын
@@thetapper61 doesn't mean to say they should be. Besides, there's no real shear load in that application.
@DENicholsAutoBravado
5 жыл бұрын
@@petefletcher until your house is getting knocked over or driven into, you're right.
@snowwhite7677
5 жыл бұрын
Clearly a Conspiracy created by the Nail Industrial Complex😬
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@goodun6081
5 жыл бұрын
Snow White, No, it was created by the Fastener Utilization Conspiracy Cooperative, aka FUCC. 😂 ( Ooops, I f'd up, I wasn't supposed to tell you, and now they have to kill you! That's after they kill me first, for spilling the beans....).
@holderheck
4 жыл бұрын
not it's not this is important, the reason we don't use screws for structures is simple, they don't hold up long term to micro stress the way a nail does the flex of your house expanding and contracting will break screws over a period of 4-7 years.
@jackjohnson9989
4 жыл бұрын
Flyingvoxel nolond, any links or studies you can point to or is this based on your experience perhaps in some aspect of the building trades? This is a major consideration in the design and construction of hurricane resistant timber houses. The roofs immediately come to mind as these are usually corrugated sheets fastened to wood.
@holderheck
4 жыл бұрын
@@jackjohnson9989 Canadian building code, cant use screws anywhere in a house where you get side to side shear forces, and yes that's pretty much anywhere. you can use them for non structural means though IE drywall and holding plywood down
@robertburleyson7444
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, I'm a carpenter and now have to re-think my position on screws sheer strength, and I also think more municipalities need to do a review on sheer strength on GRK and deck screws for house framing! I've never been about the cheapest, but the strongest!
@ProjectFarm
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing.
@Rusted_Link
5 жыл бұрын
I need to see a test on 550 Paracord!! Test all variables including "long term" exposure to sunlight?!?!?! I know that's the difficult one. Also there are some types that have snare wire, fire starter and fishing line!!!
@FullOilBarrel
4 жыл бұрын
I'm always impressed by how methodical your tests are
@ProjectFarm
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@treyelam9279
5 жыл бұрын
Hey could you try spax screws I get them at home Depot and I love using them I use the 3 4 and 5 inch
@PDPIE1029
5 жыл бұрын
Trey Elam I love my spaxes too
@debluetailfly
5 жыл бұрын
Spax are the best I have found. I drove some stainless steel spax screws into the maple legs of my workbench. I used pilot holes. Came up a few screws short, so went to a local screw supplier and got their stainless steel screws. Several broke, even with pilot holes. Been using Spax as much as possible ever since.
@ryane6719
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed, cheap and seemingly awesome
@redwhiteblue7831
3 жыл бұрын
Watched the other video about 15 minutes ago... left a comment about wanting to see sheer strength... and here it is. You do the best testing.
@ProjectFarm
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@jakep111
5 жыл бұрын
Nice
@ProjectFarm
5 жыл бұрын
You're first! Hope you enjoy the video!
@ateoate3270
5 жыл бұрын
I see you finessed my first spot by 1 second😭
@sbuzz5889
5 жыл бұрын
this man goes way out to make the test fair/ real and how products are used. and viewers still find a way he could do it better, different or to their personal ideals??? and yet still believe whats written on the side of a box.
@ThePlacehole
4 жыл бұрын
" and yet still believe whats written on the side of a box." They do? Yes, I suppose that's why we are all here watching the tests. Because we all just want to believe... "viewers still find a way he could do it better" And sometimes they are right. Everyone makes mistakes. What's the problem with that?
@lesleyghostdragon3149
3 жыл бұрын
Dearest Farm Boy, you are so clever! I love the shear strength / bend test device you created with door hinges and spike nail levers. AND you painted the whole rig black.You weren't screwin' around! Excellently creative and demonstrative! You nailed it : )
@yzmoto80
4 жыл бұрын
It’s been mentioned already, but I have to repeat, the end grain fastening used in this test is not indicative of what these fasteners can actually do. I’m a career carpenter/builder. Great video editing, but this calls for a do-over.
@ProjectFarm
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback.
@tgeliot
Жыл бұрын
I have to agree.
@heroknaderi
2 жыл бұрын
This is a well done Test. I enjoyed it. one day im building a 14x30 workshop/Activity room combo with a bathroom. And thinking about using mostly the Deck screws and some nails too. Just for experiance and see how it would do in severe weather.😀
@ProjectFarm
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Thanks for sharing.
@mdn13mdn
3 жыл бұрын
I, for one, would really enjoy seeing the thought process that goes into deciding how to test the items and how he comes up with the fixtures and measuring tools.
@PongoXBongo
2 жыл бұрын
Yes. Maybe a "behind-the-scenes" video of planning, building the test rigs, etc?
@CloudslnMyCoffee
3 жыл бұрын
I love that you put the fasteners on the end of the board in the first test so we knew what was being tested
@ProjectFarm
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing.
@WackadoodleMalarkey
5 жыл бұрын
With this I'm now confident you can make a video where you invent a jig to settle the great debate once and for all... Blondes, brunettes or red heads??? 🚜👄🏁
@DENicholsAutoBravado
5 жыл бұрын
The blondes failed as they believed their merit based on a jig!
@DENicholsAutoBravado
5 жыл бұрын
The red heads were furious and refused testing.
@DENicholsAutoBravado
5 жыл бұрын
The burnettes were the meanest as those who participated did it to laugh at blondes!
@johnassal5838
11 ай бұрын
That's a very thorough and comprehensive set of tests. I only wonder if the deflection test would make more sense if it was only bending the screws and nails a few degrees. Anything bending them 30 degrees or more in the wild would already be knocking the building down. Of course the reps to failure would probably go way, way up for at least one of the two then.
@ProjectFarm
11 ай бұрын
Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.
@angargoy7181
Жыл бұрын
*It is really interesting to know what they can withstand, but what I like the most is the well thought out way to do all the tests, greetings.*
@ProjectFarm
Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Greetings.
@fliesmoregruffly1843
4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and well done but not a true sheer test and in my mind just reinforces that screws are superior all round fasteners to nails. The idea is that what you fasten should stay fastened tightly and then you won't have to worry about repetitive strain type breakage. We don't build structures made of wood that are designed to sway or accept repetitive bending forces so why allow for that by compromising holding power and pull out strength? Seems counterintuitive to me. Build things that don't move or where the weakest link is the wood itself and you don't need to worry about sheer strength. Your testing proved that screws are stronger than wood and screws are stronger than nails. The bending tests are simply not "real world" examples of forces that are applied to buildings except in catastrophic situations and in those situations, I'll take "twice" the holding power over twice the flexibility any day. That boarded up window keeping out the huricance force winds is way better held with screws in almost every scenario except where the house is wobbling over. At that point, one has bigger things to worry about than sheering fasteners.
@aaronfenwick7704
4 жыл бұрын
I was surprised by how well the drywall screws held up. As for future video ideas, I have seen construction methods where they combine nails and screws for hold and shear strength. I would be curious to see what kind of combination yields the best results.
@ProjectFarm
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video idea!
@tokencivilian8507
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting testing. I've recently started following the channel and really enjoy these videos. Some observations (that are probably somewhere within the ~4200+ comments): Absolute maximum strength in a particular fastener isn't always required (in aerospace for example bolts are individually stronger than equal size rivets, yet the vast majority of aluminum structure is riveted, while bolts are reserved for particular highly loaded joints). The same applies here. I can see where sinkers are used for nearly all framing applications - pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft and just like that with a nail gun, 4 fasteners are installed, vs screwing, even with a strip fed screw gun, which will take significantly longer. The installed cost per fastener for screws is higher / rate of production is lower for equal labor time. And if good enough (nail) is good enough in a particular joint to meet the loading requirements, then there's no need to spend the extra money on overkill. That said - I find this kind of video very valuable as when working personally around the house, I tend to go for overkill. Keep up the great work.
@kimbergeron6061
4 жыл бұрын
This is my 1st ever criticism of all the videos you have done. In watching this video the test with wood are not seeing the fastener fail, it's the wood that failed, then the fastener was extracted by the test jig. The bending test was valid. Overall, I still give your videos 5-stars.
@ProjectFarm
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the constructive feedback
@mitchellscheffler9100
3 жыл бұрын
I’d like to see a test on what is least likely to round out: Phillips, square, hex, star, etc.
@ProjectFarm
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion.
@neilgelinas9926
3 жыл бұрын
The totally unbiased way of testing through repeatable scientific means and subjecting what ever you test to the same degree of real word application is what makes me watch every Video to the end. These Videos should all be put on a digital format. A modern Mans endeavors for discerning the best not only by pure quality but also value and cost.
@ProjectFarm
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion.
@GranRey-0
4 жыл бұрын
Makes me thankful there's more fasteners available than these only, but it is still good to see what they bring to the table individually.
@ProjectFarm
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback.
@GranRey-0
4 жыл бұрын
@@ProjectFarm No problem! I just meant that more structural connectors might be used in conjunction with the fasteners to mitigate their own weaknesses. This might make it possible to use a screw if shear force is reduced/eliminated by a bracket, but now we're beyond the scope of the video. Although it would be interesting to see a more ductile screw perhaps?
@lonnieblankenship8637
Жыл бұрын
I love your channel and your testing so many different things. The only issue I see is the last test. Reason being is in construction, A fastener would always be penetrating a board thus eliminating it being bent like in the test. I would love to see you test different types and grades of lag bolts. Thank you for all your hard work and efforts and the valuable information included in your videos.
@ProjectFarm
Жыл бұрын
Thanks and you are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.
@saneflames4384
3 жыл бұрын
The framing nails have glue in it that is supposedly heat up as it exits and inbeds in the wood. I agree with the amount of work that goes in, it is not easy but your methods match realistically and not just show to sell. That's why I like watching this channel. Thanks again.
@ProjectFarm
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@bruceoren8269
2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. Much needed testing that we can all use on many jobs. Your research is unique and hugely useful. You can only wonder why no one has done this before. Thanks!
@ProjectFarm
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks and you are welcome!
@apo11o38
2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting tests. Interesting in how some applications the shear force was essentially irrelevant as the wood split. Keep churning out this great and informative content.
@ProjectFarm
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, will do!
@VB-bk1lh
7 ай бұрын
I know this is 4 years old but I had sort of a related experience using deck screws to hold up weight. I built 8 four tier free standing shelves using full sheets of 5/8" OSB and 2x4 lumber. I built 4x8 frames of 2x4's sitting vertical, with a cross member every 2ft, sort of a ladder frame with OSB screwed to the top side with the same 3" deck screws that I used to assemble the frames. Each of the four shelves were held up by 10 2x4's, two on each corner. and two in the middle. A 48" length of 2x3 was used to place each shelf and give it some added under support. Each shelf was held by 10 screws per corner and five each in the middle on each side. The bottom shelf was 1" off the concrete floor, the rest were spaced roughly the space of a 5 gallon bucket. They were used to store misc auto parts, all placed in buckets with the tops on them. Each shelf got roughly 800 lbs on it. One, which was against the wall, got loaded with cast iron cylinder heads, about 2,000 lbs per shelf, maybe more. On that shelf I added a few supports in the middle between the shelves in the middle to prevent the OSB from sagging between the 2x4's if it got really humid in there. All was fine for about 8 months, then I walked in there one day and one shelf had collapsed all around, and all the 2x4's were completely detached, every last deck screw had sheared off, none pulled out, all were broke off clean and flush. The second shelf, had collapsed only on one end, and only three shelves on that end fell down onto the next. The other end was fine. A third shelf was fine, as was the one holding the cylinder heads. I cleaned up the mess, removed the screws, then put the shelf back up using both a few screws to hold it in place and then I used two 1/2" bolts in each connection. They were fine for the next few years. The shelf with all the cylinder heads on it is still standing, untouched and showing no signs of any fatigue. The other day, after finding a bag of bolts I had bought for the other shelves, I drilled and added one bolt to each corner in every shelf just in case. What I did notice is that although they were all built at the same time, I ran out of screws half way through and went back to get another box. The first batch of screws were flat black, but also marked deck screws with the same skew number, the second batch, a 10lb bucket, of the same supposed type, were slightly shinier. They were coated and marked safe for PT wood, but this was framing lumber and indoors at that. None of the screws were corroded, they sheered off clean as if cut with a bolt cutter. There was no bending or tearing, just a clean break. Fast forward a few years, I used some of those same screws to replace a piece of stockade fence in the back yard, (not PT, just plain fir), we had a 70 mph windstorm last month, and that panel, which was held on with 24 of those screws to three posts, blew down shearing every last screw. They were up there about a year. But again, they were not rusty, they just broke off. I did my own test, using three 2x4's, all 10" long, screwed together in a three layer stack, with the middle sticking out 2" on one end. I stood that up in my 25 ton press, which has a pressure gauge on the ram. I did the same with some OLD 10p nails, and again with some 3" drywall screws. I also went back and bought a 1 lb box of the same#10 x 3" deck screws. Each stack had 10 screws or nails driven in from each side. 20 in all. I used a 1" plate on both sides so the end of the boards didn't split. I then built a box using two pieces of tubing to fit the 3 pack of 2x4's into with minimal side clearance to prevent any pull out. The deck screws from the bucket, gave at 771 lbs of force the deck screws from the box gave at 1,487 lbs of force the drywall screws gave way at 1,101 lbs the old 10 penny nails gave at 2,200 lbs, finally splitting the wood and traveling along the grain of the middle board. Basically the wood gave way before the nails failed. All the screws eventually sheered off flush. None spread open as to have relied on the steel tube to prevent them from pulling apart. None failed explosively, all sort of just gave and it was over. There's definitely a difference in the screws in the different containers. None have any PT rating but all are marked 'outdoor use'. I did notice that there's an American flag on the small boxes but not on the bucket label. The screws though look identical even under a magnifying lens. What I don't get is why the heavier shelf, never gave way, its loaded five times heavier and it lasted for years like that. It is against a wall but not attached, and the wall is no more than a free standing dividing wall separating the shop from the storage area. I had used screws in the beginning with the thinking that although they're not as strong, enough of them should handle what I needed them to handle and i needed the corners joints to stay firmly connected if the shelves sagged over time. With the bolts, they're all still standing but the load has been slowly reduced over the years as they've been repurposed to hold lighter items.
@ProjectFarm
7 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing.
@kevinmetz4821
4 жыл бұрын
I work for a building mover. To put a house on a wooden basement requires putting a slide plank on the wall soaping the the slide plank and pulling the house on beams onto the basement to put the house in place. On one job where the homeowner built his own wooden basement, he used two inch screws to attach 15 mil treated plywood to the studs. Upon beginning to pull the house onto the basement we immediately heard popping noises. We stopped pulling to find out what was happening and sure enough all the screws were shearing off. We took a nailer and quickly renailed the studs avoiding a total failure of the wall. Keep in mind that we have put hundreds of houses on nail driven basements and never had a failure. Screws are perfect for certain applications but there reasons why they are prohibited for framing.
@ProjectFarm
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the feedback
@robertomoe6027
4 жыл бұрын
Love the work this guys puts into his videos... he loves what he does and I love to watch
@ProjectFarm
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@stevec541
2 жыл бұрын
Hey, maybe I missed it. But I've searched for a review of pruning loppers, and haven't found it. All the other reviews I've found are basically advertisements... No testing, no comparison. If you covered this, please do. Thank you, and you rock.
@ProjectFarm
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion.
@ltlewis15
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Just the information I was looking for. I've watched and appreciated many of your videos over the years. Just joined your membership on KZitem. Keep up the good work.
@ProjectFarm
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for supporting the channel through memberships!!
@richardvedvik979
3 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the test setup. Nice job stapling the fastener to the side of the board being tested so the test videos could be confirmed.
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