The best explanation to me for why "replicator food tastes off" is every food is identical to the first time you had it. Not just made of the same things, in the same way. It's identical down to molecular arrangement. Once you've had it once, your mind can't help but realize how exactly the same it is, with no chance for deviations. So it becomes bland and background noise instead of delicious. They would probably be better off replicating ingredients to cook with, since the act of prepping and cooking them would introduce change and chaos into the dish
@halfsourlizard9319
Жыл бұрын
Why would it be identical? If I ask ChatGPT the same thing, I'll get different responses, variations. Adding stochastic inputs is fairly trivial.
@luisostasuc8135
Жыл бұрын
Well, tbf, the writer who came up with that line had no idea of what chatgpt is given that it was nearly 50 years ago. Adding stochastic noise, like you said, and being able to specify the composition of a dish would probably go a long way to fixing the problem. I'm a basic b so I'd probably get really good at it but you know there would be someone tweaking their recipe to the milligram
@halfsourlizard9319
Жыл бұрын
@@luisostasuc8135 Lolwut 50 years ago was the early 70s ... TNG is from the late 80s/early 90s ... But to your point yes, it's the writers ... Who, I'm getting the sneaking suspicion, had little background in maths, science, computing, or engineering.
@prestigemultimediagroup6436
Жыл бұрын
That's pretty much what most people do actually its shown in many episodes of the ds9 and tng eras
@starfleethastanks
6 ай бұрын
That and the pattern is probably overly simple. You can make truly delicious replicator food, it just requires a lot more programming and computer space. You have to simulate how something would turn out if one ingredient was smoked in a certain way or baked at a certain temperature for a certain amount of time and under certain conditions. Most people can't be bothered with that.
@Ikaros473
Жыл бұрын
I like the way the writers of voyager approached the situation. There was a finite amount of "raw matter" that they could replicate things with. They couldn't go around replicating whatever, they had to ration it out
@solarisortu505
Жыл бұрын
Recycle reduce reuse and close the loop.
@Faesharlyn
Жыл бұрын
"Raw matter" being recycled waste..
@WardenWolf
Жыл бұрын
Yes, but at the same time, replicators are shown to be able to break down and recycle things, as well. This means they should have been able to use virtually anything to replenish their matter supply, even rocks.
@singletona082
Жыл бұрын
I always figured it was a matter of energy. 'Oh no we can't go back ot star base to refuel.' After all it's far easier to open the busard collectors to scoop up material from a nebula you're flying through than to get refined material to fuse, or to do a deep servicing of the fusion reactors so make sure they're not used too much. Which was one of those thigns i saw as voyager doing unambiguously well. 'here we have these things, but use of them is restricted because of the situation.'
@builder396
Жыл бұрын
@@WardenWolf Maybe not rocks. Rocks are composed of silicates, aka silicon-oxygen molecules, very basically. This is headcanon to be sure, but I dont think Replicators have the ability to change one atom into an entirely other atom, only to rearrange atoms that are available. So unless you want to feed a silicon-based lifeform rocks are probably not what you want to have your food made out of. But yeah, they could probably chop down any old alien tree and get all the organic matter out of that they need.
@treesuschrist1782
Жыл бұрын
I feel like the writers saying "it ruins story telling" is the equivalent of when game makers got huffy over the idea that they would need to make 3D games over 2D. Is it in some ways harder to write around replicators? Yes. Can they lead to lazy writing? Yes. But if your entire story can be thrown away because someone was able to just make some building materials, id argue it probably wasn't a very deep or interesting story in the first place.
@ToonamiT0M
Жыл бұрын
I agree completely. Good writers will work with the restriction, not complain about it.
@Emperorhirohito19272
Жыл бұрын
Yeah I don’t really know what the hell they’re talking about. I watched through all of TNG recently and I really don’t think there was a huge amount of stories that would have been greatly changed by replicating something.
@ToonamiT0M
Жыл бұрын
@@cowsagainstcapitalism347 How am I supposed to tell a compelling story if the characters already have access to the wheel? It just makes everything far too easy.
@draconariusking8328
Жыл бұрын
@@cowsagainstcapitalism347 I mean, you really can’t have a story about traveling somewhere if you don’t have the means to get there… There’s just so many things wrong with this logic, I could write an essay
@unintentionallydramatic
Жыл бұрын
I feel like you may be consuming too low a variety of stories to make that kind of call. Attempting to retrieve something precious and unique is a very common and human desire for a set of fairly good reasons. You're calling a wide range of beloved plotlines inherently uninteresting and that simply doesn't sit right with me.
@beaver6d9
Жыл бұрын
"what's on the resequencer menu today?" "Beans, greens, potatoes, tomatoes, lambs, rams, hogs, dogs..."
@shawnleeguku
Жыл бұрын
Ironically I've heard the same grievances about replicators thrown around towards 3D printing, removing the uniqueness of certain objects and items. But if you have a toy from your childhood and keep it until adulthood, and then lose it, being able to 3D print it or replicate it wouldn't give it the same sentimental value as the original. It may wound capitalism but they can't destroy personal value.
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
Totally on the money, Shawn...no pun intended...or is it? ;)
@shawnleeguku
Жыл бұрын
@@OrangeRiver It's a totally on the money statement for this device that helped Earth get (mostly) off the money!
@francisdhomer5910
Жыл бұрын
I don't think it would wound capitalism. Oh it may cause a hiccup like the power loam did with weaving. But it may create a new industry. To print something you need the program to tell the machine what to do. For us who are not good at doing that we will turn to those who can. Kind of like web pages. Don't know the program language to have one? Go to a site that provides it. There will be a gap where things will change over, but humans are smart
@cdrom1070
Жыл бұрын
its also weaker and has a worse surface finish and mass properties then a good injection mold.
@ericstaples7220
Жыл бұрын
Frankly, the industrial age of mass production already got rid of individual uniqueness of the clothing, toys, jewelry ect. that we have.
@Ben-rd3mg
Жыл бұрын
I feel like replicators could be a really interesting story telling mechanism if used right
@claytonberg721
Жыл бұрын
I don't know what Moore and Behr are squawking about. Season one of DS9 episode Progress is a good showcase of the limitations of replicators, when Kira had to evict that grumpy old bugger so they could use the moon's energy to run industrial replicators.
@brettcooper3893
Жыл бұрын
@@claytonberg721 played by the late Bryan Keith.
@pwnmeisterage
Жыл бұрын
Voyager had a good story arc based on aliens attacking relentlessly just to get access to replicator tech.
@Ishlacorrin
Жыл бұрын
The biggest problem is the implication of the tech itself and not how they are used. To just create something like Replicators you have to be at the point where matter and energy are 100% figured out to your people. If you can create matter from energy then you should have a near perfect understanding of both. THAT implication is the big one that is just ignored and leads to stupid situations all the time. Trek ships only use Fusion Reactors and Anti-matter Reactors for power... they should be WAY beyond those by the time Replicators and/or Transporters are a viable tech. If you have energy that well figured out, then Shields should be pointless and weapons should be about turning your enemies ships into energy instead of doing damage.
@ShadeSlayer1911
Жыл бұрын
To me, it just seems like Star Trek writers aren't interested in using the full potential of storytelling that replicators can be used for. It seems like they're mostly used as a background technology that makes life for the crewmen very convenient, unless the plot decides otherwise. There's just so much potential that I came up with on the spot, but I don't hear much about it in the Star Trek universe. It's a lot of "okay, it's there, and here's a couple of bits about them," rather than some "but what it....?"
@ericvulgate
Жыл бұрын
They seem eminently possible to me, and if we ever get them it will be the ultimate game changer for human civilization.
@marktaylor6553
Жыл бұрын
Sadly, I feel they will lead to the end of us. Evolution, especially cultural, depends upon adversity. Without it, we become those near-useless obese people in the Wall-E movie. My biggest gripe with ST is that the society doesn't make sense - it assumes people will strive for goals, even when they don't have to. Just look at the few remaining primitive cultures on our planet - most are tropical. They live in an 'Eden' where you don't need to do a lot to survive. Replicators, IMO, are the equivalent of putting a McDonalds on every block.
@OldTrekkiesince1966
Жыл бұрын
@@marktaylor6553 If you recall... kzitem.info/news/bejne/uph-2q6nfJmWkm0
@white-dragon4424
Жыл бұрын
It would certainly save the planet and put an end to most wars.
@Emperorhirohito19272
Жыл бұрын
@@marktaylor6553 people who live their lives today where scarcity is no issue to them do not all become obese so let’s disregard that part. Why would an end to adversity lead to “the end of us”? Advance is not some inherent good or need, people happily living their lives doing what they want because there is no need solve some societal issue isn’t a bad thing.
@warrenreid6109
Жыл бұрын
At that point mankind becomes a non-scarcity society. A lot of problems go away with new ones taking their place.
@XaqNautilus
Жыл бұрын
I didn't really have a problem with replicators when they were applied to things like food and uncomplicated things which was mostly how I remember them being presented in TNG. They required a big piece of hardware and a lot of power I always imagined. However DS9, as much as I love that series, threw a huge monkey wrench in that method when they introduced self-replicating mines. In order for those self-replicating mines to work they would require replication to be possible with a small emitter or some negligible piece of hardware and very little energy. It would have been more interesting as well as not as lore/immersion-breaking if they had a few cloaked "mine replicator motherships" or something instead of how they did it. In the end it was just used as a plot device, but the implications of automated self-replicating weapons is staggering.
@bearnaff9387
Жыл бұрын
The man-portable replicator issue was brought up in the TNG episode "The Quality of Life". The exocomps were essentially small engineering AI's with micro-replicators on board. The exocomp would use the micro-replicator to both create needed tools and add more computational hardware as needed to solve problems. (This lead the exocomps to eventually add enough capacity that their onboard AI's developed enough sentience to fear death, causing them to stop obeying orders.)
@marshallhuffer4713
Жыл бұрын
I liked the vehicle replicator from Star Trek: Prodigy and how it performed like a 3D printer to create stuff rather than the usual replicators in Trek that magically conjure up stuff out of thin air.
@nvfury13
Жыл бұрын
It isn’t magic…it is using a matter pattern (exactly like transporters use) that is used to convert energy into that pattern.
@CAOSWOLFIII
Жыл бұрын
also its cannon that they use stuff to provide the elements of what ever they are creating.
@ClintSprayberry
Жыл бұрын
Wooooooooo Hooooooooo! I might not be at work this day of Fri, but fortunately Orange River is still giving us Star Trek for lunch 😁
@Caffin8tor
Жыл бұрын
I could be mistaken, but it seems like The Orville handles this fine. As I recall, they have replicator tech and it never interferes with the worldbuilding and storyline in any way. The story takes into account that virtually any material or physical object can be quickly made if I recall correctly.
@scifirealism5943
Жыл бұрын
The orville does the same thing Star Trek does and ignores matter replicator technology, since most Orville episodes center around resource shortages and/or acquiring rare items.
@MacTechG4
Жыл бұрын
They addressed this issue in The Orville, where a woman from a pre-warp civilization attempts to steal the technology for the ‘matter synthesizer’ on the Orville to ‘help her people evolve’ Her motives were honest and she legitimately wanted to improve life on her planet, but she was caught and stopped, then shown what happened when an earlier Union vessel *DID* share the tech with a society that wasn’t ready…
@TheFirstObserver
Жыл бұрын
I love replicators, both in regards to real life and storytelling. The fact the writers were so against them is rather depressing, since they have so much potential when used right. The writers honestly sound a lot like all the anti-AI/automation people you see lately. 😮💨
@mbos14
Жыл бұрын
Because they do sound like them even if it wasnt intended. My phone breaks unless it years later i can go the the store and get exactly the same one. Its not a post replicator problem they are having its a post industrial revelution problem. The replacators just remove a few extra steps of going to X location to get item Y
@springbloom5940
Жыл бұрын
🤦
@beezelbuzzel
Жыл бұрын
Awesome video as always! I got into resin 3D printing a year ago, and digitally sculpting 3d files 6 months ago. It's really neat! I sculpt scale figures pretty much exclusively. That said, I know they make "denture resin" so I assume they can print teeth. Sounds kinda goofy, but I think dentures are super expensive. Basically you can buy a printer and the resin for like 5 or 10% the cost of a set of teeth. I could really see that helping out the lower income elderly population at some point in the next few years.
@francisdhomer5910
Жыл бұрын
I'm a model builder and I've looked at 3D printing as the next step. It can also be used to replace lost parts. I am missing a piece of a model and my son does 3D printing so I'm going to see if he can make it for me. Not sure if it will be cheaper or more expensive. As for the printing I''ve seen pictures where the project wasn't set up right and you end up, in your case, resin thread. That would be me. I think it will open a new industry as well. I can't design an item to be printed so I would need to have access to a library of design. My son has already done "work for hire" and the project took time. It looked good. Back to my first point, model making. How will this end up affecting this area? I've seen some and they look great. And it looks like it is better and easier than my scratch built ones
@brusso456
Жыл бұрын
there already is a sonic device that when placed against your gums will allow teeth to regrow naturally. and if dental associations have their way, you will never see it on the open market.
@Axzuin
Жыл бұрын
I think replicators are one of their best technologies and would inspire/allow technologies that would otherwise be impossible. A great example of this in our modern world is how many new technologies are coming about due to 3d printing.
@Starfighter-nk4mo
Жыл бұрын
9:00 My thing is: I’m sure they do regulate it, but at multiple points in trek we are shown civilians owning phasers and there not being a question of “where did you get that?”. I think when it at least comes to things like “small arms”; phasers in Star Trek, The federation literally somewhat approves of personal ownership. Especially when you are on some backwater planet with potentially hostile wildlife/ alien factions. Also handheld phasers having there use as a cutting tool and the stun setting would make them be viewed differently then just a modern 9mm handgun. But some manic could just start vaporizing people. Except starfleet is post-scarcity, mental health treatment is accessible by basically anyone and anywhere; and humanity has moved past our vindictive nature we carry today, for the most part, so you don’t see random people start vaporizing people on the street for no reason.
@STSWB5SG1FAN
Жыл бұрын
@@X99-h6r Still didn't stop maniacs from acting out, it only stopped those who cared if they died.
@rickjohnston2667
Жыл бұрын
I totally agree with everything that Starfighter 1836 just said. It was quite logical.
@jerryalbus1492
Жыл бұрын
Bruh US citizens can have high powered rifles and some civilians literally have an entire armory so idk why it's unbelievable for you
@momokochama1844
Жыл бұрын
according to Technical Manual of the USS Enterprise D civilian handphasers are limited to stun setting. so no fear of vaporising your neighbour
@pwnmeisterage
Жыл бұрын
@@momokochama1844 Stunned/unconscious people cannot defend themselves. You could do all sorts of things to violate them and their property while they're helpless and unaware. "Nonlethal" phasers could still be instrumental in lethal assaults. I imagine the Federation's legal system would not treat these weapons dismissively.
@NatureNurtureAndNerd
5 ай бұрын
I recall an episode in which a man who was thawed out from the past stated something along the lines of “what is there to do or strive for if not for money?” Which Captain Picard responded to by saying something about the goal being to better oneself, strive to learn more and be at the top of your ability. I have always appreciated that. I took advantage of the freedom I had to get multiple science degrees, learn several new skills, and better my art. But I know many people who would have just rotted in front of the tv all day. So I suspect if we had replicators, and all of our needs met without needing to earn money for it, that a significant portion of the population would just let themselves sink into an unhealthy laziness.
@21stcenturyMoments
Жыл бұрын
Good work and research on your youtube videos. Factual and entertaining. 👍
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@the1tigglet
Жыл бұрын
Also actually one of the things that made the replicators different on starships was the tendency for everything to be low carb high protein they made it that way so that officers in particular wouldn't get overweight while out working in the galaxy that's one of the reasons why they said they could tell the difference because it was in fact not a perfect copy but a perfect copy of a keto food with low carbs. It's meant to keep them in shape.
@jengleheimerschmitt7941
Жыл бұрын
A must when everyone is wearing spandex uniforms.
@dr.tetraminflakes3187
Жыл бұрын
synthetic diamond is classified now as real diamond so even if it lab grown and cheaper, there is no difference
@robbicu
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Tyler! I've been waiting for this video for years!
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
Glad I could deliver it!
@TechGorilla1987
Жыл бұрын
20:09 - you won't ever read this, but you have some of the BEST audio so far on the entirety of KZitem.
@ajbonine69
Жыл бұрын
The writers have a point but it's also what I would consider just another writing challenge. It's a little harder to create believable drama, but not impossible. As for competent government, I fear the division is now so great one-upmanship will always tincture the process.
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
Well, political polarization comes and goes. We just happen to live during a time when the pendulum has swung a certain way. Can't predict the future, but history is rather cyclical--in both good ways and bad
@ohauss
Жыл бұрын
@@OrangeRiver Keep in mind the US is not the government of the planet, and there are peculiarities to the US political system (and in particular, the electoral system) that favor and amplify polarisation.
@draconariusking8328
Жыл бұрын
@@ohauss This guy has no idea what he’s talking about. Don’t pay him any attention.
@yellowcard8100
Жыл бұрын
@@draconariusking8328 How does he have no idea? He's right, the US government isn't the only government in the world lol. Back up your points.
@jorgnocke991
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much great video live long and prosper🖖🏼
@TheLastPariah89
Жыл бұрын
There's a reason so many things can't be replicated... Story telling!
@simonashtear2739
Жыл бұрын
"The replicator is the worst thing." - writers That sounds like the way-too-common 'hot take' that, "Superman is too powerful." The Superman writers have figured out ways to get around that for nearly a century. And so did the Trek writers, "that program isn't in the database" "it's too energy intensive" "the molecule is too complex" or "that last shot took out the EPS grid on deck 23, and the replicators are offline! We're going to have to do the repairs manually." It wouldn't be too tough for replicators to become the S.H.I.E.L.D. Heli-Carriers of the Trek universe and go down with the slightest nudge.
@pottierkurt1702
Жыл бұрын
You could replicate an army that would dwarf the borg, replicate new eyes for Jordy, real skin for data, and perhaps some actual betazoid skills for Deanna TroI. Tottaly immersion breaking.
@CAOSWOLFIII
Жыл бұрын
it all boils down to the programing to be honest and in the future people don't think of that cuzz they be stupid as fuk i mean really 1 guy wanted to take data apart so that they could make more a race of datas and what s that,... slaves thats what that is. 1 guy said hey lets make slaves yeah... yep dumb as fk
@ColeHomestead
Жыл бұрын
When I left the military in '94 and re-entered civilian life I learned of a small start up company in Austin called DTM Corp. they developed one of the first 3D printer technologies. I applied for a job and during my interview with the director of service he asked me where I saw this technology in the future, before thinking of the how to answer such a question in a job interview, the Star Trek fan in me didn't hesitate and replied "in the future when the Captain orders a cup of Earl Grey Tea that our company logo will be on the replicator". I thought I had blown the interview at that point but the director stated (after what felt like eternity of pause) "well that is the most futuristic answer anyone has given me to that question, when can tyou start?". 28 years later I'm still with the company and seen us moving closer and closer to that reality with direct metal printers making replacement knees, custom nitinol stints, dental implants and now developing 3d printed bio-tissue. we are not resequencing protiens yet but still have hope to see it in my lifetime.
@brianstiles1701
Жыл бұрын
In Mr Scott's Guide, it said that the 1701-A (so presumably its earlier versions as well), stored the matter used to synthesize food in its own pattern buffer. I don't remember if it mentioned recycling waste as well, as stated in Discovery.
@momokochama1844
Жыл бұрын
it is stated in the Technical Manual of the USS Enterprise D (ok, it's a little bit older than Disco, but 🤓
@pwnmeisterage
Жыл бұрын
Mr Scott's Guide is full of interesting details and interesting ideas. But it is also generally categorized as non-canon. Perhaps apocryphal canon, at best.
@calebleland8390
Жыл бұрын
I'm sure it's a retcon, but they make reference to waste recycling/resequencing in Enterprise season 1.
@Ishlacorrin
Жыл бұрын
@@pwnmeisterage Everything not put to screen (large or small) is non-canon in Trek, so that includes the many guides and books.
@pwnmeisterage
Жыл бұрын
@@Ishlacorrin Some of the details from this book were used on screen. Some of these gave the book proper credit, others took it for themselves. But even the other beta-canon stuff (other licensed books and products) tend to ignore or replace this paritcular old Trek book with their own preferred versions of canon.
@sixwingproductions
Жыл бұрын
any species with transporters should be able to make replicators.
@TheTiredTortoise
Жыл бұрын
Great video, it's fun theorizing how a future like this would operate
@bertilandersson6606
Жыл бұрын
Replicator is an amaizing feature of the Star Treck universe. Writers that dont like it lacks imagination. More episodes should have been devoted to what crazythings one can do with replicators, philospical dilemmas, what happens to us when things lack value etc
@scifirealism5943
Жыл бұрын
Yep.
@BRIANONEALSINGLETON
Жыл бұрын
Excellent video essay on replicators.
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Brian!
@talbotlynx
Жыл бұрын
When someone explained how a replicator worked to me as a kid, I asked a question that still confounds some people to this day. "So the future economy is even more energy based than it is now?" My brain started putting together war scenarios where energy was at a premium in some places and overabundant in others. There were situations like slave mines on some planets devoted to producing energy ores and fluids to churn the society there forward.
@knightspearhead5718
Жыл бұрын
If the Federation ever lost replicators i imagine theyd lose alot of there technology especially in a timeline like the 32nd century or so in Discovery
@mathieubordeleau150
Жыл бұрын
Ever heard of STC in Warhammer 40k, essentially replicators only doing one technology but you have different one for any complexes tech, Mankind have become so dependent on them since there is no need to understand hoe the tech is build, losing a STC is losing a technology and even when they have them innovation has stopped!
@knightspearhead5718
Жыл бұрын
@@mathieubordeleau150 warhammer is why i thought of commenting this
@enermaxstephens1051
Жыл бұрын
Inevitable, our 3D printers are the Model-T Ford, the star trek replicator is the 2022 F150 Limited.
@DocGadget11
Жыл бұрын
In my opinion it boils down to how it’s implemented into the story. During early days of Doctor Who the sixth doctor didn’t have a sonic screwdriver and sonic couldn’t work on certain items such as wood and deadlock seals. The replicators are the same, they have limits on what they can replicate so they’re not entirely world breaking. It just comes down to how they are used in the story overall.
@dzerkle
Жыл бұрын
In massive oversight, food, being made from living things, is probably the most complicated thing in the universe.
@sim.frischh9781
Жыл бұрын
Given their limitations, the Replicators make writing not really harder, only raising the challenge just a little bit. You keep their limitations in mind and make it work for you and suddenly they can become a valuable tool in story writing. HOWEVER! One point sticks out to me: usually when we talk about military equipment, people think about the top state-of-the-art stuff, while the average soldier thinks of the next accident waiting to happen. Or to say it differently: i doubt civilian Replicators are WORSE than Star Fleet, provided the owner of the ship wants good ones and pays extra (at your friendly Ferengi trader).
@BlazingOwnager
Жыл бұрын
My head canon theory as to why people say replicated food doesn't taste the same is actually uniformity. Think about all the food you've eaten - from berries to burgers. Do they always taste *exactly* the same, or are they always *slightly* different due to factors like freshness, cook time, preparation, etc.. yet with the replicated food it's always the EXACT same. It'd be like every Apple you've ever eaten is the exact same Apple. So eating an Apple that's real is probably a very weird experience, with it being imperfect and not identical to "Apple Program #7" every time.
@stevew8513
Жыл бұрын
Here's the thing about the technology of replicators and transporters... Take the technology, expand it across all components of a starship, set up scanning devices to monitor all systems and look for faults and hardware failures. When damage happens to a component for whatever reason, the system would transport an exact copy down to the molecules of that component (while removing and recycling the damaged hardware) and splice the new part in exactly where the old part was. Instant auto-repairing ship. When anybody uses a transporter, the medical computers would keep a record of the person's body. When that person beams down to a planet and gets spiked in the chest by a sentient plant or stabbed by an alien caveman, they can transport the person's dead body back to the ship where the transporter can take a snapshot of that person at peak health and restore them molecularly on the way back. No more deteriorating health, no more aging, no more death.
@brucetucker4847
Жыл бұрын
If you could do that, you could also create a copy of any person whose pattern had ever been stored. One trip on a Klingon transporter and there'd be whole slave colonies of copies of you mining dilithium. Lure Picard into a Cardassian transporter and in a week there'd be 6 Picard copies being tortured for information and no one in the Federation would have any idea they even existed.
@happy.in.philippines757
Жыл бұрын
Replicators plus fusion energy production would be the key technologies enabling a post scarcity society. Advances in science and understanding how to manipulate matter on the subatomic level seem to be the key to making replicators (and eventually transporters) happen. I'm hopeful we will one day achieve this.
@CheerfuEntropy
Жыл бұрын
replicators aren't necessary for post scarcity, just a bit more automation. Which is good because you couldnt do replicators or teleporters because simply placing all the molecules at the rate they appear would cause enough waste heat to reduce everything to charcoal. Just moves too much mass too quickly
@travisfoster1071
Жыл бұрын
Only in a Sci fi writers mind.... it will never happen.
@Emperorhirohito19272
Жыл бұрын
@@travisfoster1071 it’s really one of the least far fetched Star Trek technologies. replicators just work off an advanced application of the real rule we know exists that matter is just a store of energy, we make energy, we have some understanding of the principles of converting energy into matter, it follows our mastery of this will improve. Replicators don’t need unreal physics to come to be like warp drives would.
@travisfoster1071
Жыл бұрын
@@Emperorhirohito19272 most far fetched.... don't try to justify Roddenberry magic solutions. I hate that.
@Emperorhirohito19272
Жыл бұрын
@@travisfoster1071 how is it the most far fetched? We’ve literally done what replicators do in labs. Create matter using energy. Warp drives break the fundamental laws of physics, as far as we know they are either completely impossible, or require exotic matter, which we have never observed to exist. Teleportation also seemingly breaks the fundamental laws of physics… but sure bro, the tech based on actual physics is the craziest for you😂
@lukemcgregor6969
Жыл бұрын
I think the whole point of Star Trek is to show an example of a post scarcity civilization. Who's people have evolved a higher motivation to get up and go to the office every day, than a simple pay check. As far as the story element goes, I think, it's sci fi. They fly around at FTL speeds, have invisible force fields, and disintegrate people then reintegrate them someplace else. It always made sense to me that if they had those technologies, they SHOULD have replicators too.
@LowellaWolf
Жыл бұрын
I definitely have that same mentality as the Trekkies you mentioned. I'm all for replicators becoming a thing, even though I admit I rather like manual labour. But I also think that in such a world and time people like me could still choose to do manual labour, we wouldn't have to rely on replicators if we didn't want to. I mean while there are those who use 3D printers to print entire dolls there are still those who use them instead to print buildable models because they enjoy the build process more than just having the figure come out already fully built.
@jwb52z9
Жыл бұрын
That's the thing. Too many people, especially in the US, want to perpetuate the idea that you have to have suffering and poverty as a threat to your life or no one would do anything.
@lindax911
Жыл бұрын
@@jwb52z9 That, my friend, is the basis of religion. Life is meant to be suffering.
@bpdmf2798
Жыл бұрын
You could have a farm with a replicator to make all the stuff you need to feed the animals and add nutrients to the soil and create the tools needed to farm. You could also use it for extra food if a harvest is too small or just go mix real foods with replicated foods (grow your vegetables but use replicated meat for example).
@SirDummyThicc
Жыл бұрын
“I rather like manual labour” bruh
@LowellaWolf
Жыл бұрын
@@bpdmf2798 Indeed. :) Supplement the manual labour aspect with the tech aspect.
@Lord.Kiltridge
Жыл бұрын
I read somewhere that good science fiction requires one leap of technology, after which all things extend logically from it. In Star Trek, that one thing is the matter/antimatter reactor. Once you accept that the amount of power you have at hand is so fantastic that you can literally bend space, permitting effectively FTL travel without violating Einstein's relativity equation, plus a super (super-duper) computer, transporters, inertial dampers, holodecks, transporter systems and lots more. Replicators are just another tech on the list.
@Drave_Jr.
Жыл бұрын
I agree, building anything you need breaks much of the world. You could even say they can only manage food and keep good stories, since replicators are mainly used for food either way. It would still allow a post-scarcity society in the peace loving and therefore non massive shipbuilding Federation to exist.
@scifirealism5943
Жыл бұрын
Lol nice.
@davyboy9397
Жыл бұрын
Man, your videos are really special. Going through alot of health and mental health problems and it's always great when you upload. Your videos are so calming, and logical. Would you be a Vulcan in Star Trek's universe?
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy my videos! I really appreciate it. Honestly, even if I lived in the Trek universe, I think I'd like to stay human!
@robertnett9793
Жыл бұрын
10:55 Well I get why the possibilities can get in the way of storytelling. It solves a lot of problems we would nowadays struggle with. Somone else mentionied cellphones VS telephone booths - the detective doesn't need to find a telephone to call for backup, but just has one ready available. But for all those "problems" the replicator introduces (storytelling wise) it also delivers a lot of new opportunities, I think. And also - I don't see the value aspect either. imagine a society where you can replicate basically all food and all stuff you need (with some limitations for illegal stuff if you want) wouldn't something 'handmade' become value in itself, as it isn't a carbon copy, but an unique craft? Imagine going out to eat - real food, cooked by a talented chef. it doesn't matter if you can have the same from your replicator - as you don't buy the thing itself, but also the art and effort somebody put into it. I think this would generate it's own value.
@morockapdx7174
Жыл бұрын
The Replicator brings up one of the big challenges for writing fiction about the future, or futurism in general. Or further by extension any quasi post scarcity society. Beyr and Moore, some of my favorite Star Trek writers are also some of the most irreverent regarding the bradberrian secular humanist vision. I appreciate their challenging the philosophy, buy I also wonder if they failed be it was just too hard to write for. You Don't have to have a perfect post scarcity environment, or perfect replicators to serious challenge the status quo of society. If a significant portion of the cost of production is near zero, it becomes much harder to justify menial labor. Automation, makes this contrast more stark. Shifty to a society that subsides living to free people to explore STEM, and other activities, is possibly the most healthy approach. Otherwise, the most cynical extremes of dystopian economic models play out. How much does it make sense to work meaning less jobs when automation and technology have relegated your labors redundant? Worse, still, if the those holding the means of production just cut you out. William Gibson has explored this to its several logical extents. In the book Trekenomics, just using existing GDP trends we would have an effective quasi post scarcity capacity within ~250 years. So, we have to grapple with these issues, at some point. Assuming, we don't collapse before then.
@architectofdreams73
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, I believe society and the economy will need to collapse if we are ever going to hope to transcend the misguided need for monetization
@morockapdx7174
Жыл бұрын
Of course, maybe. It’s easy to bet against the future, as we are wired to be suspicious and fearful. That is in part why I doubt the inevitability or our doom. At least in the short and mid term. Trekkenomics, speaks to the monetary issues. It’s states, and I am summarizing, that in about 200-250 years GDP could globally reach the point where the cost of production for virtually all goods and services, at least related to the first three levels of well being, down to essentially zero. That being food/shelter, health, and education. Meaning, that we typically don’t exploit for profit abundant goods. And if there is enough abundance for all this basic needs, then there is no need to price them for efficient distribution in markets. It’s assuming for trends to hold, but the point is, that it could reach a point where we are faced with a quasi post scarcity society. And coming to terms with that means, I think, we should act as though we have something to actually lose. Not, assume we are doomed anyways.
@taemien9219
4 ай бұрын
My favorite story involving replicators was written decades before Star Trek. Xuthal of the Dusk by Robert E. Howard in 1933, the passage reads: ""Where do they get their food?" interrupted Conan. "I saw no fields or vineyards outside the city. Have they orchards and cattle-pens within the walls?" SHE shook her head. "They manufacture their own food out of the primal elements. They are wonderful scientists, when they are not drugged with their dream-flower. Their ancestors were mental giants, who built this marvelous city in the desert, and though the race became slaves to their curious passions, some of their wonderful knowledge still remains. Have you wondered about these lights? They are jewels, fused with radium. You rub them with your thumb to make them glow, and rub them again, the opposite way, to extinguish them. That is but a single example of their science. But much they have forgotten. They take little interest in waking life, choosing to lie most of the time in death- like sleep."" Yes, that is Conan the Barbarian talking to a woman about SciFi replicators, in a canon story. What is interesting is the idea behind these devices in this story (written by someone of a generation before Gene Roddenberry) saw the people who invented them became complacent and lost much of their knowledge over time.
@JeremyWS
Жыл бұрын
Part of me thinks that if replicators are one day invented, they will never be as good as the ones shown in Star Trek. I think some scifi tech just will never be possible, at least not to the level shown in scifi. I hope that makes sense.
@pwnmeisterage
Жыл бұрын
Sci-fi of the past promised us things like massive supercomputers, laser rifles, fusion power, and flying jetcars. As technology improved the real world instead gave us tiny supercomputers, plastic assault rifles, lithium batteries, and Tesla electric hybrids.
@timrichmond5226
Жыл бұрын
Incidentally both the transporters and replicators have a Heisenberg compensator component that without neither would be functional given the computer would not be able to coralate the location of matter in the stream to the pattern held in the buffer.
@Leto85
3 ай бұрын
Replicators can make writing stakes into stories more challenging, but I wouldn't leave it out in a futuristic society as advanced as that as Star Trek because it would make much more sense that they can replicate things than that they couldn't. It'll bring new challenges. This video already shows a replicator's limitation, as well as some people blatantly refusing to use them for whatever personal reason they could have. Nowadays not everyone has a smartphone, even if they could afford it. That alone gives room for not only character background, but character change as well when they are either forced to use a replicator to move the plot along or when they have to convince another character not to use a replicator to move the plot along. But I love the limitations of the replicator itself, as this means that there is room for improvement and a Star Trek person could witness that if they would accidently travel to a time that is futuristic for them in let's say the year 3000. Maybe people don't even need to eat then because the human body has been adapted in such a way that food is no longer a necessity.
@Wishtap
Жыл бұрын
The Orville addressed this when they showed that a civilization that wasn't ready for such technology would be doomed if they had their hands on a replicator. They even addressed the idea that why do you work if you can just create anything.
@chrish.7563
Жыл бұрын
I'd recommend the novel "Singularity" by Charles Stross to further explore some of the issues that arise when "non-scarcity" equals unlimited availabilty of everything. According to Stross it would not only break a story-telling universe but would disrupt any social and economical norms we are accustomed to today.
@scifirealism5943
Жыл бұрын
I'll read.
@SB-vj7sz
5 ай бұрын
I have been thinking about this. An air dehumidifier removes water from the air. After purified, that water is drinkable, so we have at least a water replicator or water collector. However the water has to be in the air to get it out of the air. The food synthesizers and parts synthesizers work on almost a similar process, where the resources for foods or parts are already available of sufficient quantities. Like water taken from “thin air”proteins and vegetation are grown in hydroponic bays or by the synthesizers taken from the waste, leftovers or garbage. It is resequenced into brand new whatever. What that means, if you don’t have the resources to make gold bars, you can’t synthesize it. I feel this satisfies the criticisms make here.
@LixDSL
Жыл бұрын
if writters hates replicators, it might be because they are lazy or imaginationless writters. Others wirtters does not complain about it... Maybe because they create stories that does not use traditional "go there, collect/build/find X and WP" storyline.
@svensshed1564
Жыл бұрын
Its interesting, but the Orville addressed this in its episodes where they talk about it. They say that once a replicator was available it completely changed society
@maisiesummers42
Жыл бұрын
My headcanon is that the replicators are a low-cost, low-res version of the transporter. Transporters (at least in classic trek) are extremely hi fidelity; they need to precisely reproduce neurons to the quantum level. That's why they have dedicated rooms, power supplies, and their own computer system with massive memory buffer. Replicators, on the other hand, only have to assemble molecules to the point where a person's body can absorb and use the nutrients. This does replicate taste and texture (both side-effects of assembling molecules) but they're low-res, so everything ends up very uniform. They're probably also adding nutrients to help ensure the meal is balanced. This means they don't taste quite like a "real", organic meal would. It's kind of like the replicator has taken a scan of the Mona Lisa, then printed out that scan on a good quality ink-jet. It looks the same, but it lacks texture and realness. The transporter, on the other hand, takes a quantum-level scan, and reproduces the wood and paint to a level that is indistinguishable from the original.
@flexiblenerd
Жыл бұрын
One idea I have is that replicators could exist but require something rare to function, like dilithium crystals for starships and other purposes. They need some kind of raw material - so for example repurposing garbage, or possibly breaking down unusable material from mining and similar operations. This does create issues that unfortunately alter significant aspects of Star Trek, such as the Federation's "economy" - the material could potentially create a supply/demand issue that would feed back into a system of trade. While this isn't unheard-of even in Starfleet-controlled systems, one thing builds on another. It's a ripple effect. Star Trek's economy has never been fully or consistently explained in Federation worlds, and I'm not that smart, but it seems to me that this might create as many problems in-universe as it would solve for the stories. So I'm not sure how viable that is.
@CaritasGothKaraoke
Жыл бұрын
Surprised you didn’t also mention The Orville very specifically stating that their matter synthesisers were the reason their society could move on, and how reputation replaced currency.
@scifirealism5943
Жыл бұрын
It's called a post scarcity economy
@Argon314
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate the difficulties a technology like this might cause for storytelling, but I think a better attitude would have been to embrace it and explore the implications it would have. That’s a big part of why people watch Star Trek. They’re story opportunities that could only exist in these shows.
@pwnmeisterage
Жыл бұрын
Special 3D printers have already been used to restore some art masterpieces - essentially repaint each brushstroke with perfect accuracy - and people are already worried about the same printers being used to produce perfect forgeries of such paintings. Proof-of-concept 3D printers have already manufactured "living organisms", though only the simplest bacteria and tissue structures. Many "experts" already predict that we'll be able to 3D print blood and organs within a few decades, an unlimited supply of replacement (or modified) parts. Nobody seems to talk about where the raw materials for these printed parts will come from. We already use 2D and 3D printers to make some types of food (decorative cake icings and candies, etc). And we already add chemical taggants with molecularly-encoded serial numbers into many sensitive applications - industrial chemicals, consumer chemicals, explosives, medicines, patented organisms, etc. I imagine 3D printers of the future will all incorporate these sorts of tracers to identify the source of each ingredient and to identify the printer itself. It's how copyright laws (and copyright traps) are implemented today in certain products, it would have to be a built-in feature in a 3D printer which could reproduce these sorts of products on demand.
@imthepantyraider1
Жыл бұрын
The ferengi have replicators yet still yearn for wealth, the cardassians have it and still want control, the borg most certainly have it yet still crave perfection. Items aren’t the only things in the universe that have value, it simply depends on what it is you seek.
@55Quirll
Жыл бұрын
There was a book called 'Voyage to Yesteryear' about a colony set up on a planet orbiting Alpha Centauri and a ship going to take it over. The colony has thrived and produces all the raw materials it needs to produce the products it requires - early replicators - but they value competency and quality of ones work, you could steal someone's work and claim it as your own but people would know it wasn't yours and not patronize you. Even if real replicators were eventually created people would still value real work such as - art, carving, music, literature, carpentry etc. Things that were made by hand and that people valued. You could still get an authentic cooked meal at a restaurant rather than a replicated one should you desire. I don't see replicators as the downfall of a civilization but the thing that will enable a civilization to prosper, having people do they desire the most without fear of starving.
@scifirealism5943
Жыл бұрын
Omg I bought that book to read about post scarcity!
@charljrhode2
Жыл бұрын
I haven't seen people talk about the psychological aspect , replicators give you the ability to have everything the fact that you know you can have everything might make you not want have anything as well. So it would create a mental shift for most people.
@miketheburns
Жыл бұрын
hell yeah, brother! I talk about this all the time with friends and strangers on the internet alike. I use Star Trek as the example of how a fuly-automated post-scarcity future is definitely possible. Esepecially now with AI seeming to have a foothold in every field (including the arts), a lot of people are worried about not having a job and artists' work being devalued. But I try to tell them that if all our needs are taken care of by robots and AI then we won't NEED jobs. And who cares if a computer can make better art than you? The satisfaction of art comes from both the idea and your personal satisfaction and enjoyment in creating it. If you aren't satisfied with your pencil drawing, use oil brushes. If it's still not what you wanted, use digital art software. If it's still not "good enough" for you, then use an AI to help create your art. It's still YOUR idea. Anywho, love this video and glad I found this channel. Gonna go binge-watch all of it now... Live long and prosper!
@SBaby
Жыл бұрын
It only breaks the universe if Janeway can't have her coffee.
@The_Anti-Guide
Жыл бұрын
I tried to reason a version out that made a bit more sense: Effectively it would be a machine that houses nutrient blocks, things made of pure protein and which would likely taste absolutely bland The machine would then configure and flavor the nutrients accordingly until the food was ready Finally it would teleport a dish from somewhere nearby (perhaps even in the machine) and teleport the food into/onto the necessary dish From a logical standpoint it works far better, although it does mean that you can't replicate things that don't contain protein bonds. Personally I like the idea better. If you really wanna kick it up a notch you can make it so that a machine has to be programmed by scanning a thing. Like sticking a hamburger in the replicator section and having it scan the structure and makeup
@marcelgaddis9319
Жыл бұрын
just watch out for Reggie going to the holodeck and telling it how to build a brain interface
@grugnotice7746
Жыл бұрын
After watching that episode where a malfunctioning replicator cloned Riker I realized that every single person who was ever beamed somewhere died only to be replaced with a clone. Also made me realize that every major species in the show is completely stupid because they could have an unlimited number of soldiers ready to go by simply reading a "donor" soldier into a dedicated buffer and transmitting them multiple times. Not only that, but every ship could have multiple clones of the best engineer, be lead by the best captain, crewed by the best scientist. It would quickly become a very weird show. And don't get me started on suicide warp core drones.
@builder396
Жыл бұрын
To me the limitations of the Replicator was, apart from pre-programmed limits (poisons, knives etc.), materials. Its still basically a transporter that, instead of outputting matter exactly as it was put in, rearranges it from whatever is in the recycle bin into something useful. Whats in the recycle bin? Carbon, hydrogen, oxygen mainly, because thats basic organic chemistry, and from there on smaller and smaller amounts of everything else in the upper half of the periodic table, short of maybe noble gases and other exotic stuff. So sure, it can take all those atoms and rearrange them into new molecules, because thats relatively easy to do. But what the replicator cant do is take all these lighter atoms and get heavier atoms out of them, like lead, uranium, gold and whatnot. So that still leaves you with Replicators that can produce pretty much ANY daily use item, tools, cutlery, ceramics, plastics, on top of food, clothes and whatever else one might need in life. As long as its made out of this selection of atoms available. But Duranium hull plating, Beryllium spheres or spare parts for your ship are not on the menu. Sure, specialized Replicators that are fed with materials specifically for machinery or weaponry even could work around these limitations, but they would just not sit in everyones living room, but instead be on Starbases. The other limit is chemical energy. Namely things like explosives and energy sources. Speaking purely in simplified chemistry here, these things would come out of endothermic reactions, i.e. you need to pump energy in to make them, as opposed to exothermic, where energy goes out. Like fire. Or explosions. Batteries are an example of both, because you can charge them, causing an endothermic reaction in them, and as you draw power from them the reaction reverses. Obviously this wouldnt be a hard limit, as even food contains chemical energy, but more of a sliding scale one. Maybe basic power cells are possible, but high-end ones used in a hand phaser would be above the limit. Firewood might be fine, maybe even charcoal for that BBQ (please follow fire safety regulations), but not C4. Serious putty is off the table. Part of this might be again a software limit, but at some point it will most certainly exceed what a normal Replicator CAN do entirely, and again one might need a specialized model.
@clivedoe9674
Жыл бұрын
Forgot about the introduction of ethical cannibalism. "Computer: Human Flesh, oven roasted, recipe #41."
@GeorgeMathias1
Жыл бұрын
In context of Startrek replicators are a must. The cost of using them for all will not be viable. It will not break the universe.
@SenorGato237
Жыл бұрын
There are two options I see (headcanon) for replicators in Star Trek: they do matter synthesis from energy at up to 100% efficiency, or they imprint a quantum pattern on vacuum fluctuations creating the matter at higher than 100% efficiency. For the first option, energy reserves would be a huge issue, basically meaning that matter would need to be converted from matter/antimatter energy stock or possibly converting from inert matter stocks via a transporter like process. The second option would allow for matter creation from less energy stock. I imagine the fact that everyone can tell the replicated food comes from how consistent and "perfect" it is. As for breaking plots... there are ways around it. Not having a pattern for something, like a novel medicine, means it still has to be developed before it can be replicated. They also don't break capitalism, as IP would become more important capital, which is already happening.
@xyreniaofcthrayn1195
Жыл бұрын
Mr orangeriver they explained over the course of all the star trek series that replicated food while nutritious and perfectly resembling food and their containers at the molecular level, they under no circumstances cannot produce the nessacery enzymes gained from the food chain cycles, which is why dianna and most other trek characters dont like the taste of replicated food likening it to cardboard, for whatever reason this doesn't apply to liquids.
@malirabbit6228
Жыл бұрын
I am so glad that I found your channel! I really love what you have to elaborate on as it pertains to Trek!
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@chrisalmere20
Жыл бұрын
I think that the thing with replicator foods is that a certain chef creates a real dish, according to nutitional requirements. and that dish is then scanned and put on file. Example, when tom paris in the pilot episode of voyager orders tomato soup he gets a whole list of variations, not everyones secret recepy, just a list of pre aproved meals. Also in this example we see that he gets annoyed that there issnt just ''plain tomato soup'', that would indicate that what he was used to; jail or his home, wassent the default choice. Therefor we can conclude that civilian replicators are indeed limited. As far as icecream goes, The replicators are like transporters, but a LOT smaller, It only makes sense that they got a lower resolution. where a transporter needs to place brain cells in the exact same place, a replicator doesnt have to be that accurate. so if you order a steak the replicator can miss a seasoning particle, or get connective tissue wrong, essencialy it still tastes the same but its missing that little something (just like modern day vegan replacements). I think thats why there are plenty of bars and restuarants all over the world, and they are plenty visited. Also as seen on DS9, the replimat is less visited then quarks, Id say the replimats owner got chefs that arent UFP aproved, yet aproved enough that they got a buisiness licence (same as quarks) Yet theres definetly a thing to be said for the real deal. Example, when worf and jadzia got married, the bachelor party were given the choice between replicated juice or waiting for the chefs to squeeze the berries, despite being exhausted and dehydrated, they chose to wait a little. As far as economy is conserned, It was said that after first contact men lost their greed and focused on bettering themself, I think its impossible to get into that mindset without experiencing 3rd world war followed by a first contact, But i do think it is possible for humanity to realy bond together and work toward a common goal, but how long this can be maintained is the real question. But if you give everyone free housing, clothes and food, you are taking away that "stick" that forces you to take up in the morning, force feed and go to work. Id say it would make a LOT of very lazy people. Its more of a communists wet dream, plenty of free for everyone, and everyone is hard at work. But as history has shown us, that doesnt work.
@DJRonnieG
Жыл бұрын
Replicators are essential good Trek, plus the writers can always come claim that certain things can't be replicated because "the atoms have too many quarks", or something. If anything, too many Quarks woukd break the universe.
@adampierce7468
Жыл бұрын
I think that's why Neelix is a likeable character. He made food from things from away missions or from the hydroponics bay.
@haweater1555
Жыл бұрын
You hadn't mentioned the mercantile species still using physical currency - Ferengi, etc. That "latinum" (in gold encased form to facilitate handling) is still a scarce commodity and not possible to [feasibly] replicate or counterfeit.
@blackphoenixfamily8477
Жыл бұрын
Here's the thing about overcoming the hurdles you mentioned towards the end. The inherent flaw of Humankind is greed, the acquisition of wealth and power for no other purpose then to have it, has and will be our downfall. I feel if we can overcome that, we have a chance at not manifesting our own great filter moment.
@TrueSighted
Жыл бұрын
We already have the beginnings of replication technology today. Its called rapid prototyping, and 3D printing. Also metal 3D printing, and CNC milling, and die casting, and printing biological tissue. Were already on the road there, and we haven't even been at it all that long, technology wise.
@anthonyallen5600
Жыл бұрын
While watching this video I was reminded of a thought I had had when I was originally watching Star Trek Voyager. Why couldn't they rig a replicator to a teleporter and basically "recycle" space junk ( ie. meteors, comets, space dust, and etc.) into energy?
@scifirealism5943
Жыл бұрын
Story breaker power.
@Terminator484
Жыл бұрын
I think it's a given certainty that civilian replicators are probably limited only to make benign things like food, dishes & utensils, clothing, gardening tools, etc. They probably can't replicate phasers or guns or swords, and certainly wouldn't be allowed to replicate photonic warheads. Federation replicators have consistently been shown to make their products inside a slot, so the physical size of the slot necessarily limits the physical size of the object being replicated. It could make parts, which the user could then assemble themselves. Some alien replicators do not have this limitation, and instead use a sort of projector to make objects appear on a pad on a table, or materialize bulkheads at the tip of a grabber arm, which can then be attached to a construction project.
@TheFinagle
Жыл бұрын
Im glad you went through different implementations as different tech. Real replicators are pure energy to matter conversion. As long as you have a big enough generator or battery make what you want. That said you still need that power so you would still need industry to make enough power to feed everyone. In theory you probably could replicate dilithium and the fuel to run your warp core (with a fancy enough replicator) BUT it would always be at a loss, taking more power to make than it could ever give back. I could be wrong but I dont think replicator efficiency is cannonized anywhere. That plate could still have a cost even after being recycled.
@FaradayRVA
Жыл бұрын
Would replicated flowers wilt? Something I read implicates that federation replications are inorganic, so I would guess no. But I thought this was an appropriate forum to pose the theory.
@kryptiqk2141
Жыл бұрын
It's organic but it can't make anything alive. Like Gagh. If it wasn't organic they couldn't get any nutritional value from it. I think replicated flowers would definitely wilt, as I think replicated food still decomposes.
@TwilightRage2099
Жыл бұрын
I was under the impression that replicators didn't just use energy, but the material they used to produce something was some sort of proto-matter that was specifically designed for replicator use. If that's the case, then that proto-matter would be their economic anchor (like what our gold standard used to be). But of course, like every other economy... they would have other resources, materials, and sources of economics that would be both obvious and unforeseen.
@Bluefoot65
Жыл бұрын
even in TOS The pattern buffer was used to store food. The food synthesizer had limits like coffee. Bad coffee on board a ship could get the captain killed. So the pattern buffer was used to store things coffee because the ship had more power than storage space. They could maintain food in the buffer as long as the pattern did not degrade and the buffer had power. E=MC2 so it was only a matter of time before they would use the transporter and computer to make artificial stuff. This was unavoidable considering the known advancements the fans observed in their own lives since the 1960s and given 75 years of R&D Replicators were accepted by the fans because it made sense, The witters had a hard time because they do not live in a post scarcity world. What causes conflict when you can have anything you want? Not everyone has access to infinite power
@dr.icepick3448
Жыл бұрын
I feel like a lot of the reason Star Trek has such interesting stories is because they have the restrictions of not having a plotline that can be resolved by a replicator
@strangeworldsunlimited712
Жыл бұрын
The ability to replicate anything is simply knowing how many atoms it takes to build whatever kind of molecules you need and then placing those molecules into the right sequence to build the thing you want. If you know exactly what kinds of atoms and how many of each you need for any given object, and know how to put the atoms and molecules together, then it comes down to how much time would it take to do that and how much energy you need. If you think of atoms as, say, individual Lego blocks, each with their own color and special ability, then all you need is the right number of the right color blocks, knowing how to put those blocks together so that the blocks interact with each other in the proper fashion, and then building your object. The more complex the object, the more different colored blocks you'll need, and the more time you'll need to build it. Just like building a small Lego car would take less blocks and less time than a 3 foot diameter replica of the Death Star. Both are possible if you have the right blocks, know where they all go, and have the time and energy to build them. And because organic materials are far more complex than inorganic, you'll find that it will be a lot easier, once the technology gets to that point, to make equipment and parts for things like spaceships than it will be to replicate anything like food.
@brandonb1681
Жыл бұрын
Fusion power would be nice in the present day, but it is always a couple of decades away. That was fun to watch TY.
@WardenWolf
Жыл бұрын
The replicator is based on transporter technology, and breaks down any source raw matter to the subatomic level, transports it into the proper location, and reassembles it based on stored patterns. Because replicators operate at the molecular level, rather than the quantum level (quantum-resolution patterns are simply too large to store), there can be very minor errors but the "average" will be correct. While never stated, the ship would have to carry a fairly significant amount of matter as a source, likely lead as it is both plentiful and dense. However, a large portion of waste can also be recycled using this same technology, including sewage. I wouldn't say it necessarily breaks physics, as matter-energy conversion and energy-matter conversion are technically possible under Einstein's Theory of Relativity. We've just never figured out how to achieve the latter.
@Safer7Sephiroth
Жыл бұрын
Replicators work well story-wise as long as they have set limitations. Make replicators need to pull from various different types of matter. You can't replicate food from just raw iron ore, for example. Voyager doling out replicator rations saying that replicated things were a finite resource when cut off from a regular supply chain was good writing.
@afterglow-podcast
Жыл бұрын
We are already on the way with 3D and Resin printers.
@kimberlycarter369
Жыл бұрын
I feel as though the creator of this content hasn’t seen The Orville episode Future Unknown. This was refreshing as it explains how we as human beings still have so much further to go in the terms of growing up as a species. With our current toddler (me/mine) ideals it will be a long hard road.
@OrangeRiver
Жыл бұрын
Oh I've seen all of The Orville and am familiar with their explanations for replicators and being a post scarcity society. I'm not sure why people keep bringing it up though 🤔 I feel like I was pretty clear about what it would take to get there and the ramifications of the technology
@severussnap4373
6 ай бұрын
you made a good point about replicated food not being "real" but there are many aspects of real . i would rather my grandmother made me pancakes from replicated flour and eggs and maple syrup than to just order pancakes with maple syrup from the same machine she got the ingredients from . theres a sense of love and soul that goes into food , whether cooking it , or eating it . i try to appreciate both and i think if i missed anything in the future it would be food on a certain level . that reality is part of what binds us as humans , yes we can get nutrition from a machine , but when we have someone who makes a wonderful dish it is so much more and that is what a replicator can probably never provide .. omg eat every meal in a holodeck , with grandma cooking it for me and i sit down and ... why didnt everyone do this in star trek ? ....25th century ??
@shanepye7078
Жыл бұрын
Assuming that replicated food doesn’t taste “real”, I wonder if replicating all the ingredients and then traditionally cooking a meal would matter. That would allow for variation. Also, the writers complaining about replicators only shows how Star Trek moves away from stories that were philosophical human oriented stories, or a lack of creativity in the writers.
@NeoMorphUK
Жыл бұрын
You go “Yum” when talking about recycling urine to drinking water on the ISS… but tap water is crap and urine turned into the water that comes to yout home. Vegetables are crap and rainwater resequenced to eatable food. So yeah… before I even finish watching this video I would say “yes” to one day reaching Star Trek levels of replicators.
@TylerNally
Жыл бұрын
Lockheed Martin's chief during SR-71 & F-117 fighter development (a few weeks until his death of cancer late 80s or early 90s) disclosed to a good friend that came to visit him in the hospital before his passing. He told his friend they had tech beyond what the public knows. His friend guessed it was a few years hundred years 9f tech. Which was too low. It was thousands of years ahead. He confessed to his friend that the technology of Star Trek/Star Wars had already been achieved long time ago. They had already been there, done that or dropped it as uninterested. All starting during the Secret Space Program from the mid-50s. Even before the Jetsons cartoon was black & white, they had tech thousands of years ahead of what they people were led to believe. He also said at a UFO convention in a speech that not only can they phone home (like ET) but take him home as well. Replicators (and transporters, and faster than light drive, and medbeds & tricirters, etc) already exist. But, not with the science of Earth scientists. It's a lot backwards as we've all been groomed to accept & learn from those thought to be trusted. Everything you've seen has been soft disclosed in scifi movies & TV. The exact method how they work hasn't been shown. The methods they explain for this tech was written to use standard Earth engineering to not cause waves among the people as thought to be fictional. People think outer space is a void of nothing. There literally 8s no place in the universe that is empty. Even a glass without a fluid, gas, or solid is packed with the particles that literally connect all things to all things. In what we call outer space, these 0articles flow with a current. 9ff8cially, that energy is gravity. And the flowing of gravity is what causes matter to form according to the frequencies & sacred geometries of the frequencies. Matter is never transformed to energy. It is energy (and it's frequency) that gives it form. A modern transporter (that our star cousins use) uses a mechanism that can modify gravity to make things and transfer conscious. 8t 7ses a different form of gravity manipulation to change a vessel & contents to travel the universe. Locations all have unique frequency (just like you). Galaxy, solar system, planet, continent, country, city, restaurant, table, set, ec... and time differential change. Spacecraft always know current location & time. Therefore destination location & time is needed to input. Because the destination is a string of frequencies, the command input is melodic. Once it is executed, the frequencies are played to change the ship & contents to match the destination. Arriving properly without having to engage a warp drive and ride the warp wave/field thu the universe to the destination. Our star cousins in most galaxies already use this kind of tech. It hasn't broke them. Tell me, if you had everything you wanted and there's no scarcity of anything, crime would go to zero. No more theft. No more hunger. No more sick people. This is what our world is changing to as we break free of the ruling political & religious elite that use fear to control the population. BTW, only in worlds with a ruling political & religious elite is there scarcity, sickness, and poverty. We should be outside their control sometime soon. Maybe as late as January 2023 end. I don't make the timeline nor sequence what needs to happen. So don't hold me to it. Everything can't roll out immediately everywhere. Its safe to say that before 2024 has ended, everybody will be enjoying a totally abundant care free life as has never been enjoyed.
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