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@kemmdog4444
8 ай бұрын
The actor playing the Cybercontroller is the same actor who played the character in Tomb of the Cybermen. He was also the guy who played the K-1 robot from Tom Baker’s first story.
@Benji568
4 ай бұрын
Michael Kilgarriff
@ElectroTherapyFTSoul
7 ай бұрын
I just want to say, I'm glad you and your dad are still doing this together. It's really cool!
@andrewbowman4611
8 ай бұрын
Colin Baker was only 15 years younger than William Hartnell was when they took on their respective roles. In fact, Sylvester McCoy is the same age as Colin Baker. The oldest actor to take on the role at this point - after Hartnell - was Jon Pertwee, who was 50. So age shouldn't really come into play here. I don't know if I've already mentioned it, but Colin Baker's plan was to stay in the role for 8 years, gradually revealing his softer side over time. So, with that in mind, his characterisation has some thought behind it.
@thelazygamer1639
8 ай бұрын
Thankfully Big Finish gave him that opportunity.
@richardivory606
8 ай бұрын
The police officer who helps Peri and the Doctor in Episode 1 is Terry Malloy, who plays Davros in The Resurrection of the Daleks story.
@kemmdog4444
8 ай бұрын
Happy Belated Birthday to Tom Baker who turned 90 this past Saturday.
@moreau1755
8 ай бұрын
Something I don't think anyone else has mentioned. Not only did they bring back the character of the Cyber Controller, last seen in Tomb of the Cybermen, but he's played by the same actor from the original story, Michael Kilgarriff. That wasn't the last time he was on the show though, as he also an Ogron in Frontier in Space, and played K-1 in Tom Baker's debut story Robot.
@alexthehunted
8 ай бұрын
That scene of litton getting his hands crushed got the show in a lot of trouble again for being overly violent
@AmyWarriorPrincess
8 ай бұрын
@alexthehunted Was it what's her face that was always going after them for having scenes she thought were over the top?
@Jaketherobonrd
8 ай бұрын
Beginning Season 22 with Attack of the Cybermen. This story I got at my local charity shop during my college years. I really like this story although I prefer Earthshock as my favourite Cyberman story but this one I enjoy alot. But this story got heavily criticised for being too violent especially the scene where Lytton gets his hands crushed (there was a lot of complaints in that scene definitely) And also there are so many continuity references to previous Cybermen stories. Also pretty cool to see Lytton come back but this time taken on the Cybermen, also Fun fact Russel is played by Terry Malloy who was Davros in Resurrection of the Daleks.
@TheZodiacz
7 ай бұрын
In late 1983 the first Dr Who VHS home videotape was sold by the BBC (Revenge of the Cybermen). It's possible that they tied in past stories with this in mind even though Tomb of the Cybermen was missing at that time and The tenth Planet was and remains incomplete.
@Sandman_jazz1983
7 ай бұрын
One of the reasons that Colin Baker had his debut story at the end of previous season relates to season 20. Resurrection of the Daleks had originally been intended to close season 20, but strike action at the BBC meant that Enlightenment's studio sessions were cancelled. This meant that in order to record Enlightenment the production team had no choice but to use the studio sessions intended for Resurrection. As season 21 was drawing to a close and Peter Davison handed in his notice, the hint of strike action around the recording block for the final studio was in the air, and producer John Nathan-Turner didn't want to lose Davison's final story, so decided to record it in the previous slot, so if the strike happened they had the regeneration story recorded. But it didn't happen and rather than record a story Davison was contracted to record and simply switch them in transmission order, they gave Colin his debut at the end. So Peter Davison was paid for the Twin Dilemma despite not being in it.
@whobp8
8 ай бұрын
1) This is the only story to feature the sonic lance, so you don't have to worry about buying one. 2) The repair of the chameleon circuit was partly conceived by John Nathan Turner as a publicity stunt, to get newspapers to write about the show. Turner hinted to reporters that the change might be permanent, but it was actually never intended to extend beyond this story. 3) Paula Moore is a pseudonym and there's conflicting reports about who actually wrote it. Script Editor Eric Saward apparently co-wrote it with a woman named Paula Woolsey and contributions from Ian Levine, but there is some disagreement between them as to who exactly wrote what. 4) The one Cyberman was painted black cuz he was a "stealth" model, who would be harder to see in the darkness of the sewers if any humans were to enter the sewer system and approach the Cybermen base of operations he was guarding. 5) Michael Kilgarriff, who played the Cyber Controller in Tomb of the Cybermen, reprises the role here, (he also played the robot in Tom Baker's debut story) Bringing him back is a nice idea, but they hadn't stopped to consider that he had put on a considerable amount of weight in the intervening twenty years, so he becomes the rarely seen chubby Cyberman. 6) The undercover cop is played by Terry Molloy, who played Davros in Resurrection of the Daleks, this is his only appearance in Classic Who where his real face is seen as opposed to a mask or makeup. 7) Actress Koo Stark, who dated Prince Andrew for a few years in the early 80's, was originally cast as the lead Cryon. She had a change of mind after she saw the cumbersome mask and costume she would have to wear. 8) One of the other Cryons is played by Esther Freud, the wife of David Morrissey, who would appear in the 10th Doctor story, The Next Doctor as Jackson Lake. One of the Cybermen is played by Anthony Ainley's nephew, John. 9) I will refrain from pointing out that Alex describes William Hartnell as being "super old" when at the time he was playing the Doctor he was actually younger than Richard. 😇
@ftumschk
7 ай бұрын
8.5) The other Cryons were played by popular TV personalities; Sarah Greene of _Blue Peter_ and singer/comedian/impressionist Faith Brown. God knows why they needed celebrities to play the parts, as their faces were completely obscured and their voices unrecognisable!
@phantomsidious2934
8 ай бұрын
The undercover cop in part one is Terry Molloy aka Davros
@domsquared9878
8 ай бұрын
Currently Six is my favorite of the ones you’ve watched so far
@jonathanmurphy3141
8 ай бұрын
When the 5th Doctor Dalek episodes with Daleks were broadcast, Winter 1984, during the Winter Opylpics, in Yugoslavia -those were the first episodes edited into 50-type minutes. It was decided to reformat the episode times. This was the on;y "Classic season" like this. Went back to 25 min' after.
@davidbull7210
8 ай бұрын
It's commonly assumed they decided on the 45 minute format because of Resurrection but they had already decided on this change.
@GideonTyree
8 ай бұрын
The reason the episode feels left over from the Second Doctor's era is because it was specifically written to evoke that style of Doctor Who. I'm kind of surprised you felt that way, since stuff I had read elsewhere suggested that the general opinion is that, despite the goal, it has little to do with Second Doctor stories.
@Sigurd-r5
8 ай бұрын
The jacket looks great on Colin when you see him in the flesh!
@michaelwebster8666
7 ай бұрын
Very much enjoying seeing you & your father react to/discuss classic Who. Looking forward to the next one 👍
@stickytapenrust6869
8 ай бұрын
7:00 - I’d have said “bombastic”.
@alexthehunted
8 ай бұрын
So the thing about series 22 is all the stories where written originally as 25 minute stories the series originally being the same number of episodes as the 5th doctors series. However after the resurrection of the daleks 45 minutes 2 parter was a big hit it was decided with little time to change the scripts to make all of series 22 45 minute episodes and cut it to 14 episodes
@johntomlinson6849
8 ай бұрын
Wrong. The decision to move to 45 minute episodes was taken very early on and certainly before the scripts for this serial's two episodes were formally commissioned on 13th February and 14th March 1984.
@davidbull7210
8 ай бұрын
This is untrue. Everyone repeats the falsehood. It's on record that they'd already decided on it. Resurrection was only broadcast a couple of months before s22 went into production but the stories had been scripted well before then.
@johnjeczalik8960
8 ай бұрын
Two questions for you both: 1. Looking forward to rewatching Vengeance On Varos? 2. How will you watch The Two Doctors considering it’s three 45 minute episodes and not just two?
@7thHourFilms
8 ай бұрын
1) Yes. 2) We'll probably just do all 3 in one go.
@secretsymphony
8 ай бұрын
I think the Sixth Doctor's brash style grows on people over time. I enjoyed that, thanks.
@glenmcculla6843
8 ай бұрын
Kudos on the best reaction titles thus far.🤣
@Jamestopboy
8 ай бұрын
They wanted Colin to have an episode at the end of the season so that he was established as a character - they didn't want to have to waste the first story of a season introducing him to the role. They wanted to have the season just from the word "go".
@jonathanmurphy3141
7 ай бұрын
At this time, production 1984, broadcast early 1985 -few fans would have seen the stories referenced in this story. There were a few “super fans” of Who, who had audio tapes, or saw the original episodes, or who could access returned films. The average fan watching this in 1985, would likely have been confused. We have the novels of several of these stories, Target Books, yet in the mid-80’s, didn’t think some of episodes would ever be seen. (On PBS, we got the surviving Sixties stories in “movie” form - like sixteen Hartnell, five Troughton- not an entire Cybermen story amoung those.) The British, Canada, Oz, NZ had the trade of bootleg videos…unti the official videos really kicked off - and more film recovery.
@sebbiesda3305
8 ай бұрын
Paula Moore was the Girl Friend of Eric Seward, the script editor of the show at that time. The story goes Eric Seward and super fan Ian Laveen, the shows "continuity expert" wrote this story as there were rules about script Editor's commission there own script. apparently Paula Moore took the money and ran.
@Finbarzapek
8 ай бұрын
A bit messy with a lot of continuity relating to episodes that hadn’t been seen since the 1960s. Fans would have gotten the references but the general audience must have been pretty confused. The weirdest thing was bringing back the same actor who had played the Cyber Controller in Troughton’s time but in an 80s style cyberman bodysuit and with a different kind of voice. Not really much of a point.
@joshuajoshua2732
8 ай бұрын
You skipped the bit with Lytton's hands crushing scene which is still one of the most controversial scenes still to this day when this was released on VHS it was the only Dr. Who to receive an M rating. If you skipped "The Twin Dilemma" as bad as that story was you would lose context I didn't mind it personally no story is perfect it is what it is the reason they introduced him early was to get the audience settled with him early. It was then producer John Nathan Turner who introduced canon and continuity to the show while previous producers weren't so fussed on it also the fact there was alot of missing 1960's episodes during their time but in the 1980's lots of missing episodes were turning up so JNT decided to go back and reference those times personally I feel the story was overshadowed with too many references to the past which alienated alot of people at that time. You think Hartnell wasn't brash he kidnapped Ian & Barbara and almost murdered a caveman with a rock and lied and manipulated Ian & Barbara to go into the Dalek city with dangerous radiation so both him and Colin are similar just not as crazy as Colin Baker. Colin Baker was 42 at the time of filming. Peri's pink skintight outfit was purposely worn at the insistence of John Nathan Turner to impress the male audience while poor Nicola Bryant in real life was freezing cold.
@kIdeoCash_TMG
8 ай бұрын
Remember the 1st said great a clown and a scarecrow when he 1st met 2nd and 3rd doctor well the 6th doctor outfit more like a clown outfit then The 2nd and 3rd doctors outfits
@MuchWhittering
8 ай бұрын
So as well as the 45 minute episodes, we're back to 1 episode a week, on Saturdays. Of course, the longer runtime means only 13 episodes this season, and in fact the remaining 4 seasons only have 14 episodes each, so yeah, the episode count's going down now. I believe when Season 22 aired in America, they actually chopped them up into normal 25 min episodes. So the new "Part 1" and "Part 3" would just kind of randomly end with no real cliffhangers. I watched this last night to prepare for this. I enjoyed episode 1, but episode 2 kind of lost me. One of the big criticisms of this story is how continuity heavy it is. Remember, at the time, Tomb of the Cybermen was missing (It would be found in Hong Kong in 1991), and while Tenth Planet 1-3 existed, no-one had any way of watching them. So it is very reliant on plot points from 15+ years ago that many viewers weren't even alive for. It's not so bad now, but in 1985? No way. The VHS line only had a couple of releases, and Tenth Planet didn't come out until 2000, with a telesnap recon of episode 4. Paula Moore is another person that doesn't exist. There's apparently some debate as to who actually wrote this, the Doctor Who wiki has a long article about "her" if you want to read up on it. Saw someone on Reddit today suggesting Lytton should have been a companion. Would have been interesting, though probably he wouldn't be cut out for it. Talking about editing in, they kind of did. If you remember The Name of the Doctor, they edited Clara into old episodes. And on the "use old cameras thing", they did that for the Day of the Daleks special edition you watched. New footage was shot with period-correct cameras.
@stickytapenrust6869
8 ай бұрын
8:30 - it wouldn’t make sense. They were made of concrete so were removed by being smashed to pieces.
@kierenevans2521
8 ай бұрын
An improvement over Twin Dilemma but still not great. Quite violent and a messy plot.
@davidbull7210
8 ай бұрын
This season has a problem with its moral compass (amongst other things). Lytton murdered people without compunction in the Dalek story and the doctor says he misjudged him...the guy's an amoral mercenary. It wont be the last time this season the doctor lets nasty people off the hook whilst being sarcastic and unpleasant with nice ones.
@flaggerify
8 ай бұрын
Star Trek First Contact went back to "Metamorphosis". "letterbox" as you call it is 4:3 or academy.
@benjaminwilson2945
8 ай бұрын
Wouldn't the modern aspect ratio be more similar to a letterbox than 4:3?
@steve-0493
7 ай бұрын
Episode-twin dilemma isnt great lol,BUT..Syll is the bomb..😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛(cheap Syll imitation lol)🤣
@ftumschk
7 ай бұрын
18:49 _"Why is there a black Cyberman?"_ - Well, that's the woke BBC for you ;)
@Senkoau
2 ай бұрын
Actually it was a test of a short lived stealth model to be used for assassinations and other stealth operations where a bright silver appearance was a draw back. It didn't work and got phased out.
@Mrazmatmahmood
8 ай бұрын
Attack of the Cybermen is an entertaining, well directed story with a lot of really impressive action sequences. I also really like how we constantly see the Cybermen's conversion process for really the first time with all of those people half converted on display in the background of the Cybermen's control rooms. It's a very effective way to get across the body horror of the Cybermen and to remind the viewers that these Cybermen are people who have had their identity stripped from them. It's a great way to portray the tragedy of the Cybermen, which only gets further enhanced when we see one of the main characters of this story in the middle of the conversion process at the end. The issue with this story is, it's mostly all style over substance with an overstuffed, incoherent plot that is heavily reliant on bringing back elements from the past to exist, but the issue is the writers didn't think through how to make all these things fit together and how to do it in a way that makes sense. First of all, the Cybermen's plan to save Mondas by destroying Earth makes no sense, when you consider the whole reason for their takeover of Earth in The Tenth Planet was because Mondas needed to drain Earth's energy to survive, so they're screwed either way. We also don't get enough of a reason for why they want to do this. They've occupied Telos, so why do they want or need to save Mondas? How will it benefit them, logically speaking because that's the only thing the Cybermen consider? They don't seem to be running down or struggling. Them wanting to blow up Telos also feels random and the reason given (they want to study the impact blowing up the planet has on its atmosphere) doesn't suffice. What if their plan to save Mondas fails? Shouldn't they keep Telos around as a failsafe just in case? I also don't think they'd be willing to destroy their tombs. Bringing the Cyber controller back from The tomb of the Cybermen also feels like desperate fan service because he serves no purpose and his presence does nothing except undercut the Cyber leader's authority. Seriously, what purpose does he serve in the story? What does he do that the Cyber leader couldn't do? The controller doesn't even have a confrontation with the Doctor at any point, except right at the end when he gets shot. There's also the character of Russel, who is an undercover policeman that has joined Lytton's gang in order to investigate him. This is a potentially interesting part of the story, the issue is they do nothing with it and it's dropped entirely almost as soon as it's introduced. Russel completely disappears after part one. There's also the supposed twist that the Time Lords have somehow manoeuvred the Doctor into this situation, which adds nothing and makes no sense. I mean, the Doctor had already picked up Lytton's distress signal and was on his way to Earth. There's also the Cybermen being underneath London in the sewers, which works into Lytton's plan to fake a diamond heist and intentionally get captured by the Cybermen, but makes no narrative sense on any other level. I mean, why were the Cybermen there, what were they doing? Never gets any explanation. They also apparently have a time vessel that for some reason landed on Telos and they stole it, but we never find out how and why it came to Telos and who it belongs to. There's also the subplot of the two guys trying to escape from Telos that seems to serve no purpose and ends with them dying anyway, so you're just left wondering what the point of including it was. This story is a classic case of the writers throwing anything they can think of at the wall hoping it'll stick and a coherent plot will somehow materialize out of nowhere. There's just too much going on and the story has no time to breath and nothing has a chance to be explored with any level of depth, all the different subplots just cancel each other out. Things just happen, but we don't really get a chance to learn why and what the character's motivations are. It's a mess and a clear example of when nostalgia becomes the primary focus over original and creative storytelling, but the writers have no idea how to implement past elements in a way that would create a good and interesting story. With all that being said, there is one major positive to this story and that is the way they reintroduce Lytton (the only returning thing that was used well) and how that impacts the sixth Doctor's character. I enjoy how they subvert our expectations of Lytton being aligned with the Cybermen because the last time we saw him he was working with the Daleks. The fact that he's actually working with the Cryons and against the Cybermen is really interesting and adds a nice dimension to his character. The Doctor, like the viewers, prejudges Lytton and gives him no chance to explain himself, and in a very sixth Doctor way, belittles him any chance he gets. So when the Doctor finds out the truth about Lytton and that he's actually been trying to help the Cryons all this time, it has a real impact. I love how the sixth Doctor knowingly puts himself at risk because he knows Flast has the Vastial ready to blow up Cyber control at any moment, but he goes and tries to save Lytton anyway. His anguish over Lytton's state and having to leave him is really sad and very well performed by Colin Baker. It's a really crucial bit of development for the sixth Doctor because it shows he has compassion and is still selfless enough to be willing to put his life at risk to save others, which is very important to show after The Twin Dilemma. They do a really good job of rehabilitating the sixth Doctor's character throughout this story. Everything is just that bit more toned down. He's less overtly bombastic, less overbearing and arrogant and just warmer and kinder to most people around him. Colin Baker gives a great performance and I think he truly establishes himself as the Doctor in this story, I just wish the story around him was better. Colin's era hasn't started out very well with two misses right out of the gate, but Vengeance on Varos is up next, so I'm not too worried because I know there's a big jump up in quality coming.
@cyrusq5999
6 ай бұрын
The (experimental) time ship landed on Telos for repairs; the captured crew were forced to instruct the Cybermen on its use before undergoing conversion into Cybermen - the rejects became the slave workers. Partly due to the Cryon guerrillas sabotaging the cryogenic chambers containing Cybermen, irreparably damaging them, the Cyber-Controller had decided to cut his losses and abandon Telos. The 'tombs' had become too dangerous: marauding rogue Cybermen would destroy anything in their path, including other Cybermen (the Resuscitation Team, tasked with locating and reviving undamaged specimens, would be frequently attacked). The time ship had now made it possible for the Cybermen to leave Telos and save Mondas. Destroying Telos would take care of the Cryon problem, the rejects, and provide valuable scientific data.
@Mrazmatmahmood
6 ай бұрын
@@cyrusq5999 I take it this from the novelisation? Was any of this in the actual story?
@cyrusq5999
6 ай бұрын
From the scripts, the 1988 Banks Cybermen book, the Saward novelisation, and implied in the televised version. On screen, the Cyber-Controller does order the Resuscitation Team to cease work on revivification. A scene was recorded featuring the Resuscitation Team (two Cybermen and one armed guard) entering a cryogenic chamber to revive a frozen unit - only to be attacked suddenly, the rogue would then escape), but edited out of the final version - only the tail end of the sequence would survive, showing a rogue Cyberman stumbling through the tombs. The constant sabotage by the Cryons is expressed through Flast’s dialogue in the vastial storeroom.
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