I love Capaldi’s doctor so much. He never tries to pretend any more that he’s not an alien. The mask is off in this incarnation. And yet somehow he seems all the more human because of it at times.
@ElVitorolin
2 жыл бұрын
I think because unlike the other incarnations, this doctor is more genuine than the other because of what you say, he isn’t trying to be somebody else, he is just himself and that honesty I think is what allows him to feel more “human”
@Drakenrahll
2 жыл бұрын
Ive had a theory with the Doctor Who. Ive always thought that as we progressed from Eccelson through Matt Smith that The Doctor became, and acted younger because he was running from his past. The seriousness of his actions in The Time War. Day of the Doctor cemented that theory for me. He was running from what he thought he'd done as The War Doctor. After that episode though, he knew the truth, that he wasn't the genocidal murderer he thought he was. He was able to reconcile with his past and we got a doctor who was comfortable with himself, who was able show his years and his seriousness. Of course Chris, David, and Matt showed their dark edge when it was needed, but it felt a bit Jekyl and Hyde and times because they tried to keep it so bottled up because of what they thought they'd done in the time war. Capaldi's Doctor doesnt need to hide it. He knows who he is. He's and idiot, with a screwdriver and a box. Passing through, helping out.
@Cailus3542
2 жыл бұрын
@@Drakenrahll Spot on. I've often thought the same. The Doctor only truly became "old" during the Time War, due to the horrors he witnessed and committed. He couldn't handle the person that he'd become, so he reverted to his younger regenerations: the sexy hero, the silly imp, and so on, pretending that he hadn't become as old as he felt. The conclusion of the Time War, then his many centuries on Trenzalore as he finally spent the time to grow old, led to the Doctor finally accepting what he was and what he'd done. The Twelfth Doctor did things that he could never have done before, such as settling down with River and living in London, taking care of Missy. He was finally able to move on.
@AJ84291
2 жыл бұрын
at this point the doctor is tierd of the effort to be sonthing he's not.. not young.. not morally unfamiliar with the worst the universe has offered and that time he was already with someone whom knew him and accepted him, there was no need to hide who he was from Clara and at that point the doctor though he was at the "end" of the timelords lifespan and got a 1up
@julieeverett7442
2 жыл бұрын
@@ElVitorolin the most alien of the doctors is 4th, but he was a young (ish) doctor only about 750 in mature body, 11th is an old man in a young body. With 12th his face finally matches his age and you can believe hes 4000 years old (not 2, these writers keep forgetting the classic doctors) and Peter has the gravitas to pull it off
@TheCrippledEgg
2 жыл бұрын
Twelve is the most honest incarnation of the Doctor in the new show. NuWho tends to present the Doctor as this holier-than-thou Christ figure who hates guns and all violence, but Twelve is actually pretty upfront about his pragmatism. He's not a lonely god, he's a flawed character who tries to do good and has to weigh the losses and gains to achieve the best outcome.
@treyatkinson7564
2 жыл бұрын
9 we saw a similar presentation. He was "fresh" out of war, and had a reasonable reaction to certain things: the Dalek, Rose getting teleported into a Dalek fleet, aggression, information leakage from the future into the past. Like 12, he tries to be pragmatic, but it often escapes him when certain scenarios come up
@plantainsame2049
2 жыл бұрын
Why would the doctor hate guns he has a collection of them According to the 1st doctor And he also knows space Is Venusian acado
@treyatkinson7564
2 жыл бұрын
@@plantainsame2049 because of what he did in the time war. He was brought into it after the eighth incarnation regenerated.
@Jmcinally94
2 жыл бұрын
I don't know if I agree. I think that with each regeneration, the individual incarnations sense of morality shifts. So while I agree 12 is upfront about HIS pragmatism, I don't think that means previous versions were lying to themselves when they took hard-line stances against violence. It's just the person they were at the time. For example, in The Day of the Doctor, The War Doctor asks if they ever counted how many children they'd massacred on Galifrey. 11 acts like he's forgotten (maybe he even had blocked it out). Look how disgusted 10 is when he hears that. They both dealt with that in different ways, one chose to remember, the other chose to forget. 12 chooses to forget too.
@deathofallthingspotato9919
2 жыл бұрын
Also, there's always been a sense of fear of what the doctor could do. 10 and 11 keep it well hidden, and kind of present themselves as nice, young, overenthusiastic jokers, but when something goes too far, their darker side comes out. There's always a fear of what they could do - they aren't actually human, and they hold immense power. They help humanity, but there are the times they don't want to, when they consider doing something horrific, because there is no other choice. Those moments have always been my favourite from the character, because they change the whole tone of the show, and show up the normal playful doctor as a facade. 9 and 12 are more open about this, but its there in all the NuWho incarnations (I haven't watched enough old who to know about that).
@azrafrahman5986
2 жыл бұрын
"I'm 2000 years old, and I've never had the time for the luxury of an outrage". Such a masterfully written line, so much power. Proves his point instantly, shows his inner self while also trying to hide some darker parts of him. After the 'Day of the Doctor' we know that the Doctor knows the exact number, but chooses to forget. So much thought put into that 1 line, beautiful
@PJOZeus
10 ай бұрын
Nah, he can't forget, he can't ever forget. But he doesn't want to remember The look on his face tells you he damn well knew it and he didn't want to say it And his regret saves people
@sorrenblitz805
7 ай бұрын
He only knows the exact number of Gallifreyans he murdered. He doesn't know how many people (as in total out of all the species of people he's ever encountered) that died at his hands or because of his actions. When other characters says He's soaked in the blood of a Billion galaxies it's not just an ominous metaphor. He's killed way more than he could ever hope to count.
@GrandHighGamer
6 ай бұрын
The number of children on galifrey doesn't matter, he didn't burn them. Kinda the whole point of that episode. That he knew Galifrey's population doesn't mean he keeps count of everyone else.
@weeble4749
6 ай бұрын
@@sorrenblitz805 there is also the fatality index scene where the number kept ticking up on his kill count
@GenericName0042
6 ай бұрын
To be fair, with all the time travel shenanigans, whether or not you count say, Daleks or Cybermen as "living people", etc, the actual body count gets a bit iffy. "Children on Galifrey on the Last Day of the Time War" is MUCH easier to put a number on
@OrangeKyle91
2 жыл бұрын
I like how she challenges the Doctor and demands a straight answer out of him. She doesn't just blindly go along with everything he says and does. She thinks for herself. There's a bit of Seven and Ace in there. "Have you ever killed anyone? There's a look in your eyes sometimes that makes me wonder. Have you!?" "...There are situations where the options available are limited-" "Not what I asked." "Sometimes, the choices we make-" "That's NOT what I asked!" "...Yes."
@christopherballard1348
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly it's kind of annoying the way she asks that and refuses anything besides a yes or no answer. Context is key. He could have shut her question down with "I used to be a soldier in a war" but she wouldn't have had any of it.
@originalv5107
2 жыл бұрын
@@christopherballard1348 agreed. Bill was moderately annoying in this episode. Who is she to judge The Doctor? Just because she thinks killing no matter the circumstances is wrong? Bet. Keep that same energy when it’s your life at stake and your only option is kill or be killed.
@thebob5240
2 жыл бұрын
@@christopherballard1348 Precisely he was being incredibly understanding of her she wasn't there when he killing millions she wasn't there when he felt he had to make a decision of destroying the entirety of his own kind or watch the universe burn. She may feel justified but to him she is literally a child throwing a temper tantrum when they could be out solving the actual problem.
@cadkls
Жыл бұрын
@@thebob5240 You don't think her anger is justified? Have you ever seen someone die?
@thebob5240
Жыл бұрын
@@cadkls Justified and understandable are two different things, The Doctor is untold years old and literally is called the doctor of war, he knows exactly how it works and in this case if you sit around screaming and crying about how unfair it is then the problem continues on and more people die just as he said. And to answer your question yes I have seen someone die and in that moment I had a choice quickly move on and save someone else or sit there and let someone else die. Same thing different scale.
@LPTV84
4 жыл бұрын
I loved this scene so much. It was one of those where you get to see him as an alien.
@katherinebonkowski8925
3 жыл бұрын
Not alien. Most modern concepts demonize death, and even try to avoid it. Ignoring it is harder to deal with than excepting.
@canadious6933
2 жыл бұрын
@@katherinebonkowski8925 What is alien is the ability to take so much life as the Doctor has and move on. No human would be able to live the Doctor's life.
@Jadefox32
2 жыл бұрын
@@canadious6933 Ask those in the past who've committed those atrocities if you ever get to. Do you know the answer because I do, in some cases you simply see them as less than what you are. To which one might say but we're all human, yes we are but that doesn't mean we all feel the same or think the same. The usual response to something like that is "they see them as less than human" no they simply see them as less than what they are. They would say do you sit up agonizing over the cow or turkeys being slaughtered so you may ingest them and go on living? Fact of the matter is many of the worst people in the world by any standard would go commit their act and go home and sleep in bliss and have pleasant dreams because to them it was no different than herding and killing an animal. Others do it because they enjoy it to some degree the pain and suffering, they enjoy it because them causing you suffering gives them power over you they have the ability to decide if you live or die. Still others it was just an act they were put in a situation where some kind of mass reaction was in order or they would be the ones in the ground instead. The simplest thing is that we live in such a comparatively soft world today that those in the past would look at our modern sensibilities and laugh either because the things we espouse are such an alien concept to them or because to them it would border on the absurd. I don't think Stalin cared very much I don't think Xi cares much today both about locking people in their homes and with anything else because they have the power to do so and they have the facets to make you vanish. Of course in the west it's more insidious because our leaders often pretend to care for votes, but the votes are just a means to an end and they hold all the cards. Why could the Doctor do it and live with himself because in the Who-verse if he didn't then more would die throughout the universe.
@DaDunge
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think it's his alien side talking but his immortal side.
@muninrob
2 жыл бұрын
@@canadious6933 Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Ghengis Khan, Alexander the Great, El Cid, Tsao Tsao, and the list goes on and on and on........
@haninasayegh7623
4 жыл бұрын
Idk how Bill had react if the doctor answerd "my entire race
@DirtyMirror2011
4 жыл бұрын
@Genesis martinez But she barely knew him beyond surface level at this point. To then hear this person you've just gone traveling with barely bats an eye to a child dying, then can't count how many people he's seen die and then can't tell you how many he's killed. Now that's gotta be scary.
@coleturner9106
4 жыл бұрын
He wouldn't have said that though as 12 knew he didn't destroy gallifrey.
@SebVFX
3 жыл бұрын
@@coleturner9106 He knew, yes. But for him, he did it nevertheless. He knows what it feels like and in his mind he did it back then. Even if he didn't really in the end.
@JHattsy
3 жыл бұрын
@@coleturner9106 even if he knew Gallifrey still existed, he, at one point in his life, made the choice to kill them all - just because time managed to undo it doesn't mean it undid it for him
@theirishviking9278
2 жыл бұрын
@@JHattsy he's still carrying the weight of that choice Regardless of the fact the outcome has changed it was a choice he made
@adammyers7383
2 жыл бұрын
What’s really interesting here is that obviously he’s leaned into his outrage before, and it’s *always* been a mistake. He’s not just speaking out his ass, he knows for a fact when he makes time for “the luxury of outrage” more people die, because it’s happened. Again and again. He lets himself be consumed by his rage, and it only ever makes things worse.
@MegaLinket
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@EpicNerdsWithCameras
2 жыл бұрын
The immediate example that springs to mind? "I am the Doctor and you are the Daleks."
@MLaak86
6 ай бұрын
Reminds me a little of Kratos in GoW4 "I killed many who were deserving... and many who were not", except in The Doctor's case almost everyone he's killed gave him more than enough cause.
@ApetureTestSubject
11 ай бұрын
Capaldia and Mackie are both amazing in this scene, but Capaldi is running a masterclass on face acting right here. The little glances away, and that little smile he gives Bill just before he confirms he's killed people. He's impressed that she's pushing him, but sorry that he has to tell her. It's always been one of Capaldi's strengths.
@kuziokundera
2 жыл бұрын
This is one of 12’s greatest moments. The scared, angry and legitimately (in her mind) outraged Bill is calmly taught a valuable lesson about the uselessness and unhelpfullness of selective outrage.
@rodvincent
2 жыл бұрын
People will die. Sometimes by other people. But if we stop moving forward, who is going to save the ones still around?
@shadowrylander
2 жыл бұрын
@@rodvincent Basically doctors; they don't have time to mourne until after their shift, and sometimes not even then.
@sibionic
2 жыл бұрын
HIs name isn't '12'
@RunescapeStoriesWithToel
2 жыл бұрын
@@sibionic oh shut up and enjoy the video
@Jmcinally94
2 жыл бұрын
I don't agree with you at all here. This only makes sense if you believe that because The Doctor is the main character, his morality is always right. It's right to be disgusted when confronted by someone who doesn't know how many people they've killed. Bill represents human empathy and acts as a foil to showcase how alien an uncaring this regeneration of The Doctor can be. Previous incarnations wouldn't have been this callous, apart from maybe the Sixth. They would have taken a beat to reassure their companion. I'm not even saying this Doctor was wrong to make those sacrifices, but acting like this extremely justified human emotion is a luxury purely showcases how alien his character is. It doesn't make him right about it.
@gtaipan7422
3 жыл бұрын
Bill: "Did you kill anyone?" 12th: "Yes." Bill: "How many?" 12th: "Billions. But there's a still a chance to save other people."
@oricalu448
2 жыл бұрын
I mean, the Great Intelligence calls the Doctor "the slaughterer of 10 billion", so its definitely up there.
@blastermasterguy
2 жыл бұрын
@@oricalu448 But wait, he should remember saving Galifrey instead of burning it shouldn't he? Unless wiping his memory of Clara also wiped his memory of saving Galifrey.
@caskett2585
2 жыл бұрын
@@blastermasterguy and what about the rest of the time war?
@kortiz9156
2 жыл бұрын
He definitely killed all those daleks... I mean they're still intelligent life forms aren't they?
@TheKyrix82
2 жыл бұрын
@@blastermasterguy Before he saved it, he destroyed it.
@DevilGeneImbued
2 жыл бұрын
1:47 something about 12’s faint flicker of a smile in this frustration with the emotional situation really felt palpable. Both because he didn’t want a lecture of morality, and he didn’t feel he had to justify something like this. Capaldi’s Doctor is so great to me because of his perfect blend of emotional control and honesty.
@captainkiwi77
2 жыл бұрын
I mean I think it’s less he doesn’t feel he needs to justify and more so, he’s spent so long outraged at himself he’s already had to find a way to justify, it’s the doctor doing that thing where he’s just waiting on us to catch up
@lucasalcantara954
2 жыл бұрын
Man, this interaction and speech screams 7th Doctor. I’ve heard 12 described as a composite Doctor who embodies all of his previous incarnations, and boy, does it really come through in this scene. Not only can you hear 7 talking to Bill, but the facial expressions and mannerisms are the same, down to the way he holds his hat. Really shows how much of a great actor Capaldi is, and how much he understands the Doctor as a character.
@dalekexterminae
Жыл бұрын
The fact there both Scottish
@MasterThanatos1301
2 жыл бұрын
The more I watched capaldi play the doctor the more it felt like it was the doctor's natural progression as a character He had been alive far longer than anyone could imagine and went through far too many horrors losing far too many people countless times As much as I love doctor who, capaldi could have been the final one and it would have felt natural
@jm5887
2 жыл бұрын
Capaldis character arc was perfect. From starting out as bitter, angry and vengeful. To delivering the when I fall speech where he understands why he does what he does and what makes him the doctor. In the end rather than regenerating he could trust the universe to be like him. Without witness without reward. Be kind
@filthycasual8187
2 жыл бұрын
I honestly kind of wish he HAD been the final one.
@mikekasich836
2 жыл бұрын
what do u mean? he WAS the final one. they cancelled the show after his run. there was nothing after and it was sad just like there's only seven seasons of game of thrones
@thr33d50
2 жыл бұрын
@@mikekasich836 Truuueeee
@RaijinGod-Indra
2 жыл бұрын
@@mikekasich836 Big true!
@cracked90man
2 жыл бұрын
Its brilliant how impatient he is with her, with the amount of time he spent on Trenzalor and how long hes been alive hes had conversations like this many times. With some of the older doctors they would be ashamed and sentimental but the 12th has had all these years to grow and move on from his morally unjust actions and although its clear he'ss not fully accepted it hes old enough to know that this conversation isnt helping anybody.
@fredh1720
Жыл бұрын
I don't think impatient is the right word at all. He completely understands what Bill is asking and why. Being impatient would have been Colin Baker-ing it and just telling her not to ask. As far as I'm concerned, it's the total opposite of impatient.
@bletty
2 жыл бұрын
Capaldis run as the doctor was so refreshing. I think in the years to come it will be looked on by more people as one of the best - especially his time with Bill Potts!
@altorins
2 жыл бұрын
personally Capaldis was my favorite doctor. He made the character his own yet was still quintessentially the doctor. Even after following the two juggernauts before him David Tennant and Matt Smith.
@arnelesschaeve7697
4 жыл бұрын
I love the little easter egg to Mummy on the Orient Express. "Sometimes the choices you have -"
@TheWPhilosopher
3 жыл бұрын
Well also the I'd have moved on to the next one and the next one until I beat it.
@mimilook4347
3 жыл бұрын
The way he said how if you never move on you'll see more people die. I have a notebook where I write down all Doctors quotes and memorable moments to remember when the times get tough but for this episode I just wrote down the title. Amazing episode. Too many good stuff here.
@radioactive06
3 жыл бұрын
Pass the quotes hehe
@andrewturkington369
2 жыл бұрын
"The luxury of outrage" - a perfect description of the internet, especially social platforms such as Twitter.
@Broccoli_32
2 жыл бұрын
Yup
@TaweretSekhmet
2 жыл бұрын
'I'm 2000 years old and I've never had the time for the luxury of outrage.' And that from a Timelord...
@loxley75
2 жыл бұрын
What I love about this scene is that we forget that the Doctor is essentially an alien 'playing' at being a human and playing it so well that sometimes he even fools himself. But there are moments when companions (and I think Bill was one of the most underated) force him to remember that. That's how I interpret that little smile. As much as he tries he can't help but see most of the people he interacts with as children and yet every so often somebody actually manages to humble him. Of course he is giving Bill a wise lecture here but on a deeper level, I think you see just how much he respects her here for reminding him of what he actually is.
@palladin1337
2 жыл бұрын
"Don't tell me; you've moved on." Really serves to underscore Bill's... specific point of view on things like this at this point in her story (I want to say naive, but that feels too mean even if it also feels accurate). She simply does not understand how someone could see something like that and then move past it, even though the cold truth is that you have to if you want to keep more people safe. The Doctor gets it, because he's lived it. But Bill is still inexperienced enough that stuff like this is appalling to her.
@finnstewart4747
3 жыл бұрын
Killing a child on screen in such a brutal way was way more extreme than I expected this show to go, but it allowed for such a great moment between the Doctor and Bill, and even beyond that, thinking about how that kid died is pretty traumatising. It was a move that I'm sure not many people saw coming, but damn was it effective.
@jacoblansman8147
2 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure people weren't expecting a DW episode to contain a 100% Earth spider that was mutated by toxic waste until it was the size of a Land Rover either. While it may be a bit outlandish, the message of that episode regarding corporate waste dumping would be pretty effective (I think) if it wasn't so close to real life that most people just ignored it. Or if they had written the episode such that it didn't trigger arachnophobia in everyone (i.e. use a different animal). Personally I quite enjoyed that episode. I enjoy most DW episodes.
@lizardlegend42
2 жыл бұрын
@@jacoblansman8147 well that was pretty random lol
@Thalanox
2 жыл бұрын
The on-screen death of a child character was done on Power Rangers a long time ago. Is it really still all that shocking?
@progfrogg
2 жыл бұрын
@@Thalanox as an avid power rangers fan i must say i can't quite remember that happening. even power rangers never go as far as that. please refresh my memory
@WyllCKP
2 жыл бұрын
@@progfrogg Power Rangers Wild Force had the character Kite die. It wasn't gruesome or anything, but it was still a child dying which is pretty hardcore for PR.
@OhNoBohNo
6 ай бұрын
Cheers to the kid staying on track, brushing by the Doctor being 2k years old and focusing on the fact that the Doctor said they're fish food
@MrCuddy2977
2 жыл бұрын
There are very few scenes in Dr Who like this: that are this powerful. ‘Only a killer would know that.’ from Boomtown, and the ‘Do I have the right’ scene from Genesis of The Daleks, are possibly the only others …
@kevinslater4126
2 жыл бұрын
This is good writing. And incredible acting from both Capaldi and Mackie
@wafflingmean4477
2 жыл бұрын
"Sometimes I think a Time Lord lives too long." He said that when he was half the age he is here. He knows how damaged he is.
@SuperPuzzler
2 жыл бұрын
The way the Doctor looked back at Bill at the end of the scene says it all: "See what I mean? No time for it."
@fredh1720
3 жыл бұрын
This is possibly one of my favourite scenes in the entire show. Ever
@MrRjhyt
2 жыл бұрын
Oh, and the punch is in this episode too. I just love the contrast and the balance, the rational and the emotional.
@LPTV84
4 жыл бұрын
Also is that Michael Jackson's Blood On The Dance Floor at the end? Lovely.
@THEVALEYARD
4 жыл бұрын
Correct! Glad someone noticed!
@thomasgodfrey5877
2 жыл бұрын
This season is the most underrated since the relaunch.
@stephenphillips7699
2 жыл бұрын
This Dr gets better with age, the more you watch the better he gets.
@rkah6187
6 ай бұрын
Agreed. It's one of my absolute favourite seasons, The Doctor, Bill and Nardole make a great team and many of the stories are outstanding.
@starsider5700
3 жыл бұрын
- How many before you lost count ? - 2,7 billions
@canadious6933
2 жыл бұрын
@KVAcedo27 On one planet too
@peasantlord135
2 жыл бұрын
@@canadious6933 And that's only children.
@DaDunge
2 жыл бұрын
"Have you ever killed anyone" ... "Yes" "How many?" "Are we talking individuals or civilisations here?"
@davidchism6081
7 ай бұрын
Oof.
@EvelynNdenial
5 ай бұрын
"Have you ever killed anyone" ... "Yes" "How many?" "Yes"
@Mote.
3 жыл бұрын
I rewatched this episode again like a year ago. This is a good episode.
@azureblazquez4335
3 жыл бұрын
Which episode is it?
@jackbennett9040
3 жыл бұрын
@@azureblazquez4335 thin ice
@gabbeskillz6262
3 жыл бұрын
It's fucking shit, as is most of series 10.
@Mars_over_seer
3 жыл бұрын
@@gabbeskillz6262 k
@mrz3062
6 ай бұрын
Unfortunately Peter Capaldi will be the last actor who will embody the true essence of the Doctor’s character. Peter’s portrayal is so authentic and unapologetic. Really sad we won’t see a tenure of his calibre again.
@waxerwaer9700
5 ай бұрын
Can't say that for certain. 13...was 13, and it's too soon to say for 15. But there will always be another Doctor like this. Perhaps they won't come until the 16, the 20th, or the 30th, but I firmly believe that Doctor who will one day return to glory. The show recovered after the wilderness years of nothing, it can recover from the Chibnall Era in time.
@SonofSethoitae
2 жыл бұрын
Christ alive, the volume jump between the clip and your bumper music nearly blew out my only good eardrum. Headphone users beware.
@jtrenoweth
4 жыл бұрын
I think Bill was my favorite, with Bill we saw a lot more darkness in the Doctor
@werk62
3 жыл бұрын
I disagree. I felt like they wrote her character in such a way that her whole personality was just "hey, look at me, i'm black and gay"
@popsiclewizard8068
3 жыл бұрын
@@werk62 Doctor Who has pretty consistently waved the LGBTQ flag since its revival. It's not new. Bill was probably one of the less subtle examples, sure. But for me, those parts of her story always felt organic and never preachy or forced. It wasn't a political statement or an argument. It was just sort of...there. She wasn't an especially complex character but she definitely had more going on than the intersectionality.
@landfish7a
3 жыл бұрын
@@werk62 i think you're projecting a bit. she was way more than just black and gay. if anything, her being black and gay was barely touched on. but maybe that's all you see in her.
@landfish7a
3 жыл бұрын
@@werk62 Meanwhile Captain Jack was VERY gay and yet people loved him
@radioactive06
3 жыл бұрын
@@werk62 that's nothing compared to "Rosa" the most political and the worst episode of all Doctor who
@Nameless-pt6oj
2 жыл бұрын
A very well written scene.
@vincentmorot5124
2 жыл бұрын
"Have you ever killed anyone? -....do Daleks count?"
@davidchism6081
7 ай бұрын
Solid burn. And which time, though?
@TonberryShuffle
2 жыл бұрын
He's not 2,000 years old He's always somewhere between lying about his age, forgetting his actual age, or simply not caring what his actual age is. But there's plenty of evidence (people far more knowledgable than me on Whovian lore have already dissected it) that even some of of the doctor's individual incarnations are at least that old or older. I only nitpick this because it puts his mindset into a better perspective. Especially when you also realize that he didn't realize this lesson until waaaay into life.
@squirtjosie7
Жыл бұрын
I do wonder if his age is his 'subjective age', how many mornings has he woken up, or if it's a sort of objectivity measure, so many physical cycles compared parallel in time to some object of much greater age. His personal time line is anything but one-way and contiguous. Distortions in time-space are a whole other thing. Ouch, my head hurts.
@sorrenblitz805
7 ай бұрын
Technically I think he would be closer to 4100 years old by this point. But he doesn't say "I'm 2000 years old" he says "I'm over 2000 years old." Very important linguistic distinction there bud.
@internetuser969
2 жыл бұрын
Capaldi: I've never had time for the luxury of outrage Capaldi: *hitting Tardis console as sparks fly Smith: "YOU ARE MY ENEMY! " *Hits dalek with steel pipe Tennant: "IT'S NOT FAIR!" The doctor lies
@AuthorMx
Жыл бұрын
That's kind of the point tho, anytime he HAS gotten outraged, it just made everything worse, it just let more people die. 12 isn't talking like he hasn't done it before, he's talking like he knows what happens when he does and he's just tired of what's happened because of his anger, his fury.
@timeofthewhoviansunited1504
4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant scene
@TheUnknownAK
2 жыл бұрын
A lot of really good correlations between the 12th doctor and the 9th can be seen in this season. Their attitude and tolerance is very much the same, both grumpy older men who are sick of suffering and pain and don't have time for it anymore. The 9th Doctor also kinda played the role of a teacher to Rose, much like 12th Doctor and Bill.
@infinitedaryl2267
6 ай бұрын
Unpopular opinion. This is the best season of Doctor Who. An amazing pairing and dark storylines. A great villain in Missy and a dark action-packed ending.
@ShamrockParticle
Ай бұрын
Series 10 is awesome!
@O7ghostX
Жыл бұрын
I used to hate Capaldi when I was younger, but the older I get, the more I understand and come to love him. I still hate the gimmicks and "funny" things the writers want to put in place, but his performance when he is serious is OUTSTANDING. This scene is amazing. "Tell me how many people you've seen die", "How many before you lost count?" these questions are legitimate from Bill and everyone would probably react the way she did, but in the Doctor's shoes this hurts so much. It's reflected in the 50th anniversary special when Tenth asked Eleventh how many children died on Gallifrey on that faithful day. He just... "moved on" because it also hurts too much to remember. I don't think they forgot, they simply chose not to actively remember so that they can get on with their life.
@TranscendentLion
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if this could be seen as a kind of dark take on Two's approach to grief in 'The Tomb of the Cybermen'. He is comforting Victoria, who has recently lost her father, and tells her that those we lose will 'sleep in our minds' when we aren't consciously remembering them. Maybe this scene is a twist on that, so that if he wants to, he can remember the people he has killed, but that much of the time, they sleep in his mind.
@MrAcerulez
Жыл бұрын
It’s always interesting to see when a companion has this moment. When they realize the Doctor’s more greyer and darker moments and how they process this man has done things and is scary. Then it’s the process of them accepting that part of them and it helps cement their bond further.
@UntrainableWizard
2 жыл бұрын
Blooooooody hell that cut to the end card scared the hell out of me
@davidfalkner6282
Жыл бұрын
This is one of the best Dr Who scenes ever shot.
@grahamyodude
2 жыл бұрын
"I've never had the time for the luxury of outrage." is one of the biggest *oof* lines ever.
@moonman2022
2 жыл бұрын
To acknowledge the enormous weight of present-day human suffering can be paralyzing. To face it, you have to compartmentalize it, which can appear heartless and callous. It's a delicate balancing act, to hold in the pain of the world and still act on it.
@tausharader1960
4 ай бұрын
There's a moment in this scene that I find extremely heartwarming. When Bill demands a straight answer to her question there is a very brief flicker of a smile. Not out of personal arrogance but out of admiration. A pride in Bill that she is not afraid of asking the tough questions as well as the silly ones. I think, in this moment, she reminds him of Donna. And he can't help but feel proud of her.
@FacePimpd
4 жыл бұрын
Underrated as fuck Capaldi moment!
@EonofAeon
2 жыл бұрын
There's a montage floating on here somewhere that I've watched a few times over last 2 years and it uses this scene, specifically the "Never had the time for luxury of outrage" quote, to such phenomenal effect. Very poignant. If I can find it, I'll be sure to link it for those who haven't (easier said than done thanks to how hard that'd be to narrow in a search on YT nowadays but)
@Menagerie_OS
2 жыл бұрын
In my eyes if RTD can't revive doctor who, then Capaldi was the final doctor. Also I like he says hes never had the time for outrage. Once. Only once. Timelord Victorious (you can claim its not canon all you want but it definitively IS.)
@Unethical.Dodgson
2 жыл бұрын
The Doctor has indulged his outrage many times, in fact. The point he is making is that outrage doesn't help. He indulges in outrage and people die. So his "I never had the time for the luxury of outrage" stands. He's not saying that he's not tried it. He's saying that it serves no purpose. He moves on.
@napoleonsolo5929
5 ай бұрын
"I've never had time for the luxury of outrage" 10 enters the chat "You forgot?!!!"
@AodhMori
4 ай бұрын
Was it luxurious though
@voiceplayz6184
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that sudden cut to your outro, almost crapped myself lol
@BenjiMan1701
6 ай бұрын
I find it funny he says he's never had the time for "the luxury of outrage" when I don't think any incarnation has ever skipped outrage
@MoonlitPhoenix0
3 жыл бұрын
I guess you could say that the Doctor was on thin ice with her
@FrostiFire1
3 жыл бұрын
badam tiss
@nikolaibaas2776
2 жыл бұрын
Always these titles with multiple meanings
@thephoenixsystem6765
5 ай бұрын
Such a gentle delivery of such... This performance utterly blew me away when last I saw this. How do you find _that_ emotional tone in _those_ lines?
@hornguy04
28 күн бұрын
Pearl played that role wonderfully. The shock on her face when she realizes the kid just died and the doctor didn't even attempt to save him, and her hard-hitting questions afterwards seem like such a natural human response.
@scantopup2226
2 жыл бұрын
I love how this echoes day of the doctor with 10 and 11 interaction when they talk about the time war
@gferrol118
2 жыл бұрын
Bill: How many people have you seen die? Doctor: You'd die of old age before I list them all off!
@Pravuss
2 жыл бұрын
Peter Capaldi was the best Doctor, I hope he at least comes back for the anniversary episodes.
@Lily_Catt-
2 жыл бұрын
This is my favorite Doctor. I loved David and Matt Smith too 😍
@dragonslair951167
2 жыл бұрын
It might be unavoidable after so long in the Doctor's line of work, but I think it's still a bad sign that he's grown so accustomed to death and killing that he doesn't even take the time to grieve anymore. Though honestly, this mindset seems different from previous Doctors; I remember the Tenth Doctor still found it emotionally difficult to come to terms with people's fate in The Waters of Mars.
@Unethical.Dodgson
2 жыл бұрын
The Doctor grieves. Just in his own way. But in the moment. He has no time to grieve. There are people to save.
@MrCuddy2977
Жыл бұрын
The Tenth Doctor was angry, I think: still had the anger of someone who survived the Time War. The Twelfth? Was older and wiser: and I think, had found a way of dealing with his trauma.
@FelipeA81
6 ай бұрын
that's because tenth is the weakest of all the doctors lifes, emotional in a self destructive way. hell just all the thing about his "children of time" he just bowed his head like davros were right, while ALL of the other doctors would have put up a fight and just straight up tell davros "... are you really comparing people trying to save their planet and find ways to beat you and save the universe to your creation? the literal space octupus nazi race?" that doesn't make him bad, but 14th for exemple its FAR stronger emotionally than 10th. I dont get exactly why 10th was so weak but yeah...the reason why you feel like the mindset is different from the previous it's because the 10th is different from *every* version of the character. (even 13th , while not really consistence, killed many times during her run and and gave enemies fates worse than death and didn't give a shit, because for her, it really was the only way)
@user-ul8xu8sk5i
Ай бұрын
I love how she forces him to give a no-bullshit answer, and he just says yes.
@lucyhartwell2134
3 жыл бұрын
"How many?" *Billions.*
@RafelAlva
2 жыл бұрын
bro that outro song made me jump
@davidsteel8324
5 ай бұрын
I would quite happily have had five years of Peter and Pearl.
@edwardwilliamson1
6 ай бұрын
This is so good. Man I love series 10
@Jattox
2 жыл бұрын
If you want to get technical...he's actually 4 1/2 billion years old...
@Darhhaall
2 жыл бұрын
Well his body was destroyed and created anew during that process, so technically he is only couple of years old.
@Ca11meron
Жыл бұрын
I feel like a touch of Malcolm Tucker slips out here and I love it
@glennolson6505
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think he was completely honest, there. He's always managed to find time for outrage - he doesn't let it paralyze him, but he's definately found moments to express it.
@LordDaret
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah he was able to find time for that luxury in the past, but it usually costed him in some way.
@zosamson8857
2 жыл бұрын
This was one of those raw scenes
@williamnolan1943
6 ай бұрын
Never seen capaldis run I gave up after issues I had with the 50th (although I did love it) but now I must
@Wertsir
2 жыл бұрын
Of course the Doctor doesn't see a difference between someone dying and someone who is already dead. He has a time machine, to him everyone is already dead/dying/going to die, even before they are born. Every moment in history is a perpetual present, just one Vwoorp Vwoorp away. Yes in 2022 Julius Caesar has been dead and buried for 2066 years, but the doctor could just hop back to when he was alive and have a conversation with him, then back to 2022 where he's dead, then alive, then dead, alive, dead, alive, dead, alive, dead. The question of whether someone is dead or not depends entirely on when he is standing, why should he feel any more or less sad about someone dying just because it happened to happen before/after the moment his TARDIS landed in? That would be like feeling less sad if someone died to your left than if they died to your right, it's completely arbitrary, since you could just turn around and their positions would be swapped. If a death is sad it should be sad regardless of where you stand when it happens.
@Unethical.Dodgson
2 жыл бұрын
It's not just that. If you walked into a room and someone lay on the floor in a puddle of their own blood. You've walked in on a corpse. You're looking at a scene of tragedy. Bill would react differently to that than if she had walked in while the person was being killed. Tragedy is tragedy but you can't save everybody. A lesson the doctor has learned hundreds of times. She stood in a site of great tragedy but her reaction to it was disconnected. It only became real to her when she saw someone die in front of her. He was trying to teach her that there really isn't a difference between being there and not being there. Death is death. The Doctor still sees death as tragic. In fact it's the coming of death that scares the Doctor most. He has to deal with the eventuality of saying goodbye and he hates it. But he has to move on.
@TranscendentLion
Жыл бұрын
I think it was Clara who said to the Eleventh Doctor, 'we must all look like ghosts to you'.
@szarvaskoppany
2 жыл бұрын
"The luxury of outrage" I'm sure the Doctor was at point a politician. I mean a real one, a statesman, having to deal with endless streams of Coventry dilemmas. If he wasn't, he'd make a damn terrific one.
@TranscendentLion
Жыл бұрын
He's been President of Gallifrey a couple of ties. He didn't do much with the job, but he has had a (brief) political career.
@Hollow-Eyes
2 жыл бұрын
"How many people have you watched die?" "C'mon now that's hardly fair. How would you like it if I asked you to try and count the stars?"
@patlee4858
2 жыл бұрын
he will have to consort the sunsets…..
@illumstern8831
Жыл бұрын
"I am two-thousand years old, and I have never had the time for the luxury of outrage." Society could learn a thing or two from this alien.
@kendrixhavlik3051
5 ай бұрын
Pretty excellent scene, tells you a lot about both
@MuffinTM
Жыл бұрын
nice blood on the dance floor outro there. man was mike a genius.
@ShionWinkler
Жыл бұрын
"How many have you seen die? How many have you killed?" Two questions that was already answered by this Doctor when he said: "I fought in a bigger war then you will ever know. I've done worse things then you can ever imagine. When I close my eyes, I hear more screams then anyone can ever be able to count"
@basiliskboy17
Жыл бұрын
she wasn't there for that, tho
@sorrenblitz805
7 ай бұрын
Bill wasn't there for that and Clara is dead so she can't tell Bill, "Hey this alien dude's killed soooooo many people. Like hundreds just when I knew him for two faces."
@chaboof120
2 жыл бұрын
The star child, that part of His psyche cast of for the obsolete nature of compassion. It roams there, in the tumult of the warp, watching over its people with the love of a caring god.
@shadowhenge7118
2 жыл бұрын
At a certain point death becomes indistinguishable from life. This is why the doctor will always have companions.
@rosenti
6 ай бұрын
You think killing me will make a difference? It will not. I AM 2,000 years old.... I know more than you. - Doctor Who.
@NespeCoaching
2 жыл бұрын
"I've never had the time for an outrage" says the 2000 year old time traveller with almost constant access to their time machine on their technically thirteenth life
@Unethical.Dodgson
2 жыл бұрын
Isn't that kinda like saying "you have plenty of time to take out the trash" to a person as he stands in a room of critically injured people and only minutes to save each one? Like the point that he's making is that - in the moment where people are in danger. There is no time for outrage.
@sorrenblitz805
7 ай бұрын
Technically it's his 14th life. Hurt just didn't call himself the Doctor and Tennant regenerated into Tennant but they were still regenerations meaning new lives. Hartnell Troughton Pertwee T. Baker Davison C. Baker McCoy McGann Hurt Eccleston Tennant Tennant Smith Capaldi
@sorrenblitz805
7 ай бұрын
@@Unethical.Dodgson there isn't. What good does emotional responses do when you have life or death work to do? It serves no one any benefit if you're the only one who can help and you're having a little temper tantrum cause your feelings got hurt.
@johnvanorder3581
2 жыл бұрын
About then she should have gotten a chill up her spine about being a companion. He will move on from you too my dear, sadly.
@LuxDeLune
5 ай бұрын
There is some absolutely stunning writing in this era but sadly it was often found in fairly lacklustre episodes
@drwfigureadventures
Жыл бұрын
Love the MJ at the end there
@rebeccaliar9873
6 ай бұрын
Part of it is he's moved on. Part of it is, if he told her the number, either of those numbers, she'd never be able to look at him as anything other than the worst of him. And honestly, the audience would look at him differently too. Even if he gave *just* the numbers you get from tallying up all the deaths across the entire show's history, never mind Skull Moon and Arcadia and all them, that would change how we look at the Doctor. He has to move on, not just for his sanity but for ours.
@haltocarrick5504
Ай бұрын
In Christopher Lee's voice: *Have you ever killed a man, Doctor?*
@Bruh-pl4zk
4 жыл бұрын
And now, none of this matters because timeless child shenanigans WEEEE!
@xanalsace
4 жыл бұрын
Oh yes it matters. The fact that he's the timeless Child doesn't change ANYTHING to the Doctor we've known for almost 60 years.
@onenerd9573
4 жыл бұрын
I have to agree with Xana here I'm not sure how the Timeless Child changes anything in regards to the Doctor we all know and love, other than how 13 deals with it going forward. After all, you are shaped by your environment and experiences, which thanks to the mindwipe means that despite being the same character...they are kinda not. If that makes sense?
@firewarrior9999
4 жыл бұрын
Oh, I just pretended season 12 never happened.
@radioactive06
3 жыл бұрын
@@firewarrior9999 you're saying is even worse than season 11? I haven't seen series 12
@firewarrior9999
3 жыл бұрын
@@radioactive06 It just keeps on getting worse.
@britainbetterthanyou
Ай бұрын
When Dr Who was just "average" (before it turned to trash) and it still had brilliance. A fascinating concept, that from the POV of a timelord someone in their grave is barely any different to someone alive and standing in front of them. From the pov of a timelord, standing in a graveyard is still full of "life".
@HomoAth3ist
2 жыл бұрын
And we went from this to a resting constipated face
@ASS-tb3mq
Жыл бұрын
U know I never understood capaldi doctor as a kid growing up but now that I watch him I understand his character journey he doesn’t have the weight of the time war on his chest anymore like 9 10 11 he’s just fed up and puts on a facade
@ThomasFishwick
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry, sorry... but you come across a clip like this and... to all those that say Doctor Who has done all that it can do, that it's an old and tired format, they can shut up. This is a powerful moment, that resonates. That asked and answers some very difficult and mature questions and gives you a solid perspective that maybe you haven't considered before. This is good Doctor Who, and Great Science Fiction. Compared to what we've been subjected to recently. I look forward to the day when this is the Doctor Who I can watch again and these last few years disappear and are rightfully forgotten
@mediakira6621
2 жыл бұрын
I'll give them credit for not undoing the kids death at the end
@dodiswatchbobobo
Ай бұрын
I do kind of wish Moffat hadn’t settled on 2000. By the time Twelve says this, he’s closer to 2200, just based on things like the time he spends with River on Darylium and guarding Missy at the University. I liked the Doctor always giving his exact age, skipping along by a few decades to centuries between stints with his companions.
@EdgyShooter
2 жыл бұрын
"I've never had time for the luxury of outrage" I mean, off the top of my head, the star whale?
@DaDunge
5 ай бұрын
1:00 I've seen universes burn out and realities fade.
@CantStayAway
2 жыл бұрын
I remember when he mentioned being 2000 years old, and I went "??? Damn! Where did the time go?!" :P
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