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@KenKopper
3 жыл бұрын
Just because it happens at church doesn't mean it's from God
@emsckelly
2 жыл бұрын
I agree x
@justme88882
2 жыл бұрын
Amen!
@GloryToTheHighest
Жыл бұрын
Good words
@christysmith5211
Жыл бұрын
100%
@magda8189
5 ай бұрын
It doesn’t also mean it is not 😊
@royal1investments
3 жыл бұрын
"The integrity of the experience" What? That is the issue. Biblical Christianity is not based on "experience" It is based on the integrity of God's complete word (scriptures) and completed work on the cross. One's own experiences are not a guide for Christian living and much less for Christian theology. These dudes, I tell ya.
@kearl3490
3 жыл бұрын
It's all about the experience, kiddo. You'll *never hear the Word of God* in these presentations. Testimony, manifestations, feelings, deeper experiences, etc. "I saw all the chaos so I closed my eyes, and *then* I knew it was a work of God." B. Johnson They make it up as they go along. This is *NOT OF GOD!*
@kearl3490
3 жыл бұрын
@@Cassie-t1i I beg you to search the Word of God *not* the words of men. "God, *after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets* in many portions and in many ways, *in these last days has spoken to us in His Son,* whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world..:" Hebrews 1:1,2 "But the Spirit explicitly says that *in latter times some will fall away from the faith,* *paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,"* 1 Timothy 4:1 *Not* a great revival, a *falling away.* "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits." Matthew 7:15 *26 of the 27 books of the New Testament warn us(not non Christians) against false prophets.* Gifts are *easily counterfeited,* the *fruits are not.* Galatians 5:22,23
@kearl3490
3 жыл бұрын
@@Cassie-t1i If you have been chosen before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4) and if you are truly one of the elect (Matthew 24:24) you can not be fooled by false doctrine. Bless you, beloved one.
@kearl3490
3 жыл бұрын
@@Cassie-t1i "But the fruit of the Spirit is *love, joy, peace,* longsuffering, *kindness,* goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law." Galatians 5:22, 23
@jakemelliot
3 жыл бұрын
@@Cassie-t1i "I see the fruit of the spirit dripping of Bill Johnson" - then you have elevated a man above God and his word. You have no discernment - your sin is idolatry. Jesus plainly says, "If you love me, keep my word." You can't claim to love God and then say idolotrous things like "I see the fruit of the spirit dripping of Bill Johnson". That is creepy. You are very desperate to see figs growing from that of a thistlebush. Read your bible (not the Message/Passion) and test what Bill Johnson says against God's Word. That is your final authority. Not man. Not your spiritual experiences.
@htebazileeilsel2293
3 жыл бұрын
When youre "hungry" for an "experience" instead of just knowing God and knowing the truth- you've already missed the mark and your discernment goes out the window.
@seanmiller5709
3 жыл бұрын
Is knowing God not an experience? I think by definition I can’t know someone I’ve never experienced. I can only know of them.
@htebazileeilsel2293
3 жыл бұрын
@@seanmiller5709 There certainly ARE experiences, Ive had many, but if you're hungry FOR the supernatural experiences and not simply to know who God is then your focus is wrong. Out of your true walk with God experiences will naturally come, but its full of the mundane as well, its like only wanting to hang out with someone if you're going on some wild adventure all the time and not simply enjoying their presence no matter what youre doing.
@stepheng7716
3 жыл бұрын
The expression of God's infinite love, mercy and grace, is Jesus Christ. He is the only begotten Son of God, who died a gruesome death for the sins of many. To those that believe the He marks them with the Holy Spirit, gives them authority to be called sons/daughters of God. The Holy Spirit comforts, guides, teaches, transforms God's children in their daily lives. Whether they willingly surrender to Him or not, they are bound to experience according to their hunger.
@daniell5740
3 жыл бұрын
Apparently you don’t read the OT
@Window4503
3 жыл бұрын
@Dean Agnor Nowhere in Scripture does it say that the Holy Spirit “seeks free expression.” He isn’t a tortured artist. What he does seek are truth and self-control. He teaches us what Christ said and helps us obey. He is not there to give you the warm fuzzies and that’s certainly nowhere in the Bible. Every time a mortal encountered God, they were terrified and silent. And so will it be in the end.
@Codester91670
3 жыл бұрын
Just some feedback can you guys give more scripture in these talks to give perspective of why certain things may happen in your church? While this dialogue is productive, scripture is just as important if not more important.
@markthomas3258
3 жыл бұрын
Amen, didn’t hear much of that within this conversation!
@sandyjque1070
3 жыл бұрын
Everything Jesus did,And the Miracles in the old testament and book of Acts
@Peaka01
3 жыл бұрын
These people rarely use scripture in this style of discussion because Bill seems to think his statements are above or more true than the bible. Check out the latest video by Spencer Smith about what Bill has posted on the internet.
@MrKyhub
3 жыл бұрын
Well I mean God did send manna from heaven, healed the blind, raised the dead. Most of the Bible is unbelievable
@afrahall-beers9436
3 жыл бұрын
@@Peaka01 saw it - must be a different Jesus and a different Gospel and from a different Bible cause it's so off base!
@brianpalmer7289
3 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad I walked away from this movement. Me and wife have been so free since. You didn’t address anything. It’s nonsense.
@Maman_poule
3 жыл бұрын
Praise God
@BloodSavedMe
3 жыл бұрын
Amen brother!
@merrittascott3323
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, exactly what I had when the Holy Spirit revealed the Kundalini spirit to me. FREEDOM, LIKE CHAINS BROKEN OFF. I, now, am really understanding what faith really is. It's void of experiences or circumstances. It's remaining faithful and endure to the end.
@markcolby2927
3 жыл бұрын
@@merrittascott3323 Well I think you can still have an experience but it's not the main criteria. Or a better way maybe, an experience is not needed to validate ones spiritually. Any ways like your statement and your courage to speak the truth.
@kinjahansen1818
3 жыл бұрын
@@merrittascott3323 what is that spirit?
@sadsweet
3 жыл бұрын
Respectfully, Kundalini spirit is a real thing, not a creation of the internet. It is connected with Yoga and is prevalent in some eastern cultures. I don't believe anyone is saying that everyone at Bethel has this spirit or necessarily the leadership; however, that some people at your meetings may have such a spirit. Just as in the story told in the video, someone can manifest a demon at a service or gathering. After much research, I have become convinced that a believer can have a demon, and even manifest, if they have allowed the enemy a foothold through perpetual sin. It seems to me that acknowledging this and practicing discernment is the best course moving forward in order to recognize the demonic and see people truly delivered.
@briancollier7736
3 жыл бұрын
Im shocked by some of the comments im reading. Anyone that cant see that these men are false prophets and supports them is greatly deceived and is seriously lacking sound bible knowledge and teaching and discernment. The Holy Spirit is not about getting an emotional adrenaline rush feeling. One of the main jobs the Holy Spirit does is bring conviction when we sin. If you dont feel bad when you have sinned you dont have the Holy Spirit. Every one says they are under attack and being condemed by satan any time the feel a hint of conviction. Conviction comes from God and the Holy Spirit when youre not living right.
@alexw368
3 жыл бұрын
Amen
@berniegatchalian2630
3 жыл бұрын
Amen
@mommaof6
3 жыл бұрын
AMEN
@sumaiacosta136
2 жыл бұрын
Phew! Finally someone who reads the Bible.
@JOSHUAloves1
2 жыл бұрын
You're exactly right. These men are lying deceitful dogs. Absolutely following doctrines thought by demons. They are both full of the kundalini. It's quite obvious to the discerning eye.
@carenostendorfayika7637
3 жыл бұрын
Correction: the Kundalini spirit wasn’t created by the internet. It is understood to be a fraction of mystical Hinduism.
@Susieq26754
2 жыл бұрын
The Kundalini Spirit is encouraged by those who belong to secret societies. The brotherhood accepts Hindus and those who practice Kabalah. They even accept Christians too. The brotherhood of the Wolf should of never wrote books or created websites explaining their magic. I guess it's not a secret anymore.
@Sraye
Жыл бұрын
@Dean A. "most", so some indeed are afflicted by another spirit.
@johnmark2927
3 жыл бұрын
Not a single time did they open the Scriptures to explain their doctrine. It's all experiential and dangerous. Their practices are not grounded in any Biblical foundation, otherwise they would be pointing to it.
@healingthroughchrist1988
3 жыл бұрын
How about John 10:27. The guy on the right quoted it at the beginning of the video.
@dv4740
3 жыл бұрын
They are going for gnosticism anyway.
@tedstiles6831
3 жыл бұрын
One of the fruits of the Holy Spirit is self control. If you “lose control” of your body, it is not of the Holy Spirit. When people feel forward on their knees in scripture it was in awe and honor. Experience NEVER trumps scripture. If your experience doesn’t line up with the word, then it’s not authentic. God will NEVER act against His word. He is not the author of confusion. Test the spirit. If it’s not aligning, it’s not of God. Sidebar: Kundalini was not invented by the internet.
@dynamo6796
2 жыл бұрын
Yes the Holy Spirit does not manifest or live in our sinful flesh, demons do, demons control, demons deceive.....even well meaning Christians. Everything must line up with Scripture, God IS NOT doing a new thing as they claim. Gods new thing from Isaiah 43:19 was the prophesy of the coming messiah who will refresh his people
@jesss.1009
2 жыл бұрын
Best response I've read; sums it up PERFECTLY. He never goes against our will.
@DaPhreshestKidd
2 жыл бұрын
Yall ignorant. Kundalini is the holy spirit. Its just from a different "non white" culture so yall label it evil
@theandroidsentbycyberlife4399
2 жыл бұрын
Pop off sir
@johngraves9237
2 жыл бұрын
As Daniel saw and heard a vision, his strength left him and he became helpless, then he was unconscious face down, then later trembling on his hands and knees . The trembling is the Glory of the Lord When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, “For He is good, for His mercy and lovingkindness endure forever,” then the house of the Lord was filled with a cloud, 14 so that the priests could not remain standing to minister because of the cloud; for the glory and brilliance of the Lord filled the house of God. And when the woman saw that she was not hid, she came trembling, and falling down before him, she declared unto him before all the people for what cause she had touched him, and how she was healed immediately. Jesus walked in the Glory pretty much at all times, that is why he felt power leave him and the woman was shaking because of the weight and presence of the Lord, if you chase the Lord this will happen to you too!
@KynaldMcMuffin
3 жыл бұрын
"So when it's the devil, you know it, often times..." ....That's not what the bible says though; Satan parades around as an angel of light, not always as a lady dancing seductively. If it were obvious, we wouldn't have to test anything.
@Bayers2020
3 жыл бұрын
God is light and no darkness within him. He always exposes the dark especially to a heart after his own. If our intentions to know him and not just knowledge or to be right then we shall always be honored by his spirit and delivered from deception. He’s faithful.
@Bayers2020
3 жыл бұрын
Don’t give satan so much credit lol :)
@KynaldMcMuffin
3 жыл бұрын
@@Bayers2020 I believe if we're trusting him, he will most surely deliver us from deception, but that does not mean we won't fall into it. I was deceived by Bethel, then God delivered me. And in true human form, I was promptly deceived by the Hebrew roots movement. And Jesus delivered me out of that as well. There is no promise that God's sheep won't be deceived, but there is a promise that they will be delivered out of it. As we walk with him more and learn his voice, we fall prey to deception less and less... but that doesn't put us above it. Don't look at it as giving the devil credit, but as giving a right, sober estimation of fallen humanity. We struggle to walk perfectly in the light, which makes God's mercy in consistently delivering us so beautiful. In relation to the last days, Jesus warned more about deception than anything. I think it's foolish to assume we're above being deceived, especially with how close we are to the revelation of Christ.
@royal1investments
3 жыл бұрын
@@KynaldMcMuffin Right, do they not even understand that there will be a great deception and a falling away from the historic Christian faith? Obviously they don't or do not care. Unreal.
@dancolvin3268
Жыл бұрын
They are part of it
@aarongarza9468
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe it’s me but it seems that the actual issue of the kundalini spirit wasn’t really addressed. Unhelpful.
@jobrown8146
3 жыл бұрын
I noticed that too.
@ruianwei4775
3 жыл бұрын
old politician trick. distract and change the subject and somehow skirt close enough to the issue that it feels like it was addressed while actually promoting your agenda further.
@EAB-bz6yi
3 жыл бұрын
Well, anyone can Google kundalini manifestations...you will see it is in many false religions, even some so called Christian denominations like Mormonism and Catholicism
@jakemelliot
3 жыл бұрын
I noticed that too. Odd. Very odd.
@olliebunbun
3 жыл бұрын
Apparently the video title is a clickbait. LOL ^^;
@lilly8803
3 жыл бұрын
Can someone explain to me bethel’s definition of prophecy? I don’t understand how they can “teach” how to prophesy, when the gift of prophecy is given by the Holy Spirit.
@sjhorton1184
3 жыл бұрын
I think that it's more important to define "teach" instead of prophecy. What we mean by teach, is not to show someone how to conjure knowledge of the future in some mystical way, but rather how to be responsible with these gifts- being careful in our experience with it towards one another, and to learn how to listen and recognize what is God and what is biblical. For instance, Bethel teaches not to prophecy to people about babies or spouses because that's something you definitely don't want to get wrong. So "teaching" the prophetic is more about learning how to listen to God and be responsible with our gift he has given us.
@fenguzth
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Lilly, Did you know Elijah had a school of prophets?
@htebazileeilsel2293
3 жыл бұрын
@@fenguzth No he didnt the "school of prophets" was a group of prophets(much like you'd say "a school of fish") not a school where people "learned" how to prophecy.
@htebazileeilsel2293
3 жыл бұрын
@@sjhorton1184 Are you aware that Bethel teaches that anything positive you say to someone is "prophecy"? And they also teach that you should try to do it and that's its ok if you get it wrong, yet in Scripture we never see that- the Word of the Lord simply comes to a person, no one was teaching anyone how to do it.
@FeelingFroggy44
3 жыл бұрын
Alot of these exercises are actually teaching people to ask the Holy Spirit for a word for another person, and learning to hear God's voice and how to deliver a message by always bringing out the gold in that person. Hope that helps some.😉
@sentinel790
3 жыл бұрын
I've experienced Kundalini spirit days after worshipping the Lord and seeking experiences of the holy spirit, asking too seek God's presence more and more,just cause something feels good and right doesn't mean it's the presence of God and holy spirit, just cause it seems like somebody could of got healed short term doesn't mean Satan didn't copy cat holy spirit, Kundalini spirit it felt like holy spirit, after got bad dreams and spiritual attacks,the Jews chased after signs so Jesus made a point too not do miracles at a point of time, if you chase signs and wonders more then you sit down and discern the bible,your discernment will be off,if you ask for too much the enemy can come in, you should pray for God too work on your behalf with in God's character, and what the bible actually says you should pray too God, God's not a genie, but if you don't think Jesus dieing on the cross is enough? greatest miracle Jesus dieing for our sins then being buried and resurrected the third day ,too pay the debt we cant pay so we can have enternal life ,and we can be saved cause we are wretched sinners and be made right with our Holy Righteous Father in Heaven,the Gospel, preach the gospel, where's the Gospel preached at bethel?
@ruianwei4775
3 жыл бұрын
amen. May the Father of all bless you in the name of Jesus Christ by His blood shed for your redemption and His authority at the right hand of God where all enemies are being made into His footstool!
@sentinel790
3 жыл бұрын
@@ruianwei4775May God Bless you and your loved ones in the precious name of Jesus ,Amen ✝️❤️🙏
@merrittascott3323
3 жыл бұрын
AWESOME, ABSOLUTELY SPEAKING TRUTH IN KINDNESS. May the comments that are written to bring Truth quicken them with conviction.
@anthrop7998
3 жыл бұрын
yep it is not preached. My relatives go there and they are now brainwashed and insane. There is a "THING' on my cousin. You can feel it trying to get on you if she prays for you, and it is NOT of God. I literally heard God tell me to NOT let her lay hands on me. I told her to back off. They kept trying to touch me and I had to physically push them away. If that is not demonic I'm not sure what is!
@sentinel790
3 жыл бұрын
@@anthrop7998 Amen, I agree I felt spirits jump on me from other people myself I'm cautious about people praying for me by laying hands, I could feel the holy spirit discern it wasn't of God,crazy, the demonic is deep in alot of churches, Satan is not gonna just come out with horns and pitch fork he's gonna come as disguised as harmless sheep
@carolwilliams5337
3 жыл бұрын
I don't care about their experiences. The things they teach in the Physics of Heaven are New Age and Demonic. Experiences do not define truth. God's word defines truth.
@Lisa-ux8ri
3 жыл бұрын
Amen to that. I have a friend who is now full blown new age, into crystals, vibtations, encounters with spirits of dead people, dreams with "special meanings", yoga, meditation, the 'divine' within you... she is still at bethel as far as I know (not redding branch). She would have been heavily influenced by that book and their false teaching for sure. So so sad.
@anthrop7998
3 жыл бұрын
100% the cat is out of the bag at Bethel and I really hope they collapse their little demon empire!
@kiranocap
3 жыл бұрын
Hello modern day Pharisees
@De-IJ
3 жыл бұрын
Simple answer Jesus NEVER EVER did any of those weird manifestations they call holyspirit Period!! And Jesus is the pattern & the standard no man made doctrine is above that! If u do your research its all linked up to Eastern mediation and its manifestations ! its very misleading! Holyspirit never draws attention to himself, he shines the light.We need to have discernment & not believe everything we are tould as being biblicly sound!
@merrittascott3323
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, shout it out,the Holy Spirit wouldn't desire attention to Himself. The Holy Spirit is in one mind and one accord, non to perish, but come to repentance. Aren't these ministries saying that the Holy Spirit showed up and what a time we had. You are to have no other gods before you. The Holy Spirit is as much God in every way as is Jesus and our Father God.
@907Weirdo
3 жыл бұрын
It's all about experiences. Bethel's validation, their "measuring stick" for whether something is biblical or of God, is not the Bible; it's what they have experienced. Seeking experiences is a hunger that will never be satisified.
@BloodSavedMe
3 жыл бұрын
Amen
@crystalparker2016
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! That was my experience growing up going there as a child into early adulthood. When I walked out into the real world the on my own the facade of these "experiences" and "feel good feelings" do not hold up when the trials begin. It was painfully clear to me that everything I was taught was not rooted in who God really is. So many times we were taught to focus on the signs and wonders.
@ThePickleBean
3 жыл бұрын
Negative. Though, there is literally not a single instance in the Word where God is not more understood apart from an experience with Him. Think about it. They even say obsessively that their chief pursuit is JESUS, not experience. It makes me sad to see so many bros & sisters completely unable to hear what Bethel’s representatives speak so plainly.
@johnny3168
3 жыл бұрын
@BJJ Medic They say their chief pursuit is 'Jesus'. But where does the emphasis lie in their teaching? What do they focus on in the practise of their belief? What is their movement about? In this very video (around 14:00) you hear the leader of Bethel say what comes down to something along the lines of "What the bible clearly teaches about our walk with Jesus is not enough for me, I'm looking for something more. And because I'm looking for that something 'more', God's probably gonna give it to me."
@solideomusical
3 жыл бұрын
*SCOREBOARD:* references to Scripture: 2 references to Scripture in context: 0 references to experiences: lost count references to self: lost count
@justmorenoise
3 жыл бұрын
It’s sad. This is supposed to be helpful but it’s just more evidence to support the people who have a problem with Bethel’s theology and fruit. Very sad and disappointing
@michaelmann9427
2 жыл бұрын
References to the 'Kundalini spirit' in scripture: 0
@liamkelly6688
3 жыл бұрын
Have members of bethel ever read 1 John 4 which speaks about testing the spirits? Based on their lack of scripture they assume any spiritual encounter is from God- there are evil spirits too and it saddens me seeing Bethel lead others astray :(
@healingthroughchrist1988
3 жыл бұрын
I know the presence of God because I first felt it only when I worship God. It was a new experience for me. I never felt anything like it before. It's hard to explain to someone who never experienced the manifest presence of God. Now I feel the presence of God on a daily basis. The Hebrew word for face in the Bible can also mean presence. So scripture that says to seek God's face could actually mean to seek God's presence. Have you ever felt God's presence before?
@healingthroughchrist1988
3 жыл бұрын
@@olliebunbun I understand what you're saying, but I learned to recognize the presence of God through dedicating time to God. Basically, I was building a relationship with God and training myself to know the presence of God (Although I didn't realize it at the time). To me, not relying on feelings means not relying on emotions. The presence of God is NOT an emotion or feeling. In every single service I've been in where people were slain in the spirit and the Holy Spirit was moving, the manifest presence of God was strong. Knowing the presence of God is part of discernment.
@spectrumifs
2 жыл бұрын
@@healingthroughchrist1988 Where do I find "slain in the spirit" in the Bible?
@me4019
3 жыл бұрын
So are you the devil? Devil: off course not... 14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. (2 Corinthians 11:14-15, ESV)
@me4019
3 жыл бұрын
@Dean Agnor said no scripture ever...
@me4019
3 жыл бұрын
@Dean Agnor you've neglected the whole context and conveniently left out the verse just prior, saying: If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, (1 Timothy 6:3, ESV) They teach a different doctrine that does not agree with the sound words of Christ and with all respect, you understand nothing. If it doesn't agree with what the Bible teaches, it's demonic, full stop.
@dapper_slapper4093
2 жыл бұрын
@@me4019 why would God put seven chakras in us if we weren't meant to have a Kundalini awakening?
@obserjasons
3 жыл бұрын
self control is the fruit of Holy Spirit
@adamgoodword7888
2 жыл бұрын
Thats right... and these Kundalini possessed Bethel people, like Heidi Baker, lose all self control. THey are not of God.
@BeWellBrandon
2 жыл бұрын
Right!
@GloryToTheHighest
Жыл бұрын
Yes and amen
@HeatherEndeavors
3 жыл бұрын
Hmm 🤔 Kundalini wasn't invented by the internet, Dan. It originates out of eastern religion and mysticism, most notably seen/experienced in yoga. I have watched and compared videos of those of other religions actually manifesting Kundalini and it matches manifestations I saw of students and some worship leaders at bethel... why would there be such an identical manifestation if it's not the same spirit? I would comment, we can study old revivals, but our ultimate source is God's Word and a saving relationship with Jesus Christ daily.
@iramaloneofficial
3 жыл бұрын
Ever seen a legit counterfeit $100 bill? They look similar-yet one is false and one is authentic. Does the counterfeit $100 cancel out the authentic $100 bill and its value?
@JewandGreek
3 жыл бұрын
Kundalini is essentially yoga. When people laugh they laugh on command. It's not spontaneous like in charismatic churches. I think this Kundalini spirit narrative is nonsense.
@camerongalloway518
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe that could be a video topic.
@merrittascott3323
3 жыл бұрын
Google it for goodness sake.
@camerongalloway518
3 жыл бұрын
@@merrittascott3323 Already have
@anthrop7998
3 жыл бұрын
It is not yoga. It is sponteaneous. You awaken part of your inner serpent through laying on of hands via a guru.. manifestations are identical.
@Lenci_the_Nugget
3 жыл бұрын
I've been in this church since I was 2 years old and I can attest to the fact that there is tremendous social pressure to do what the rest of the room is doing. If they are all laughing on the floor and you are uncomfortable, it feels pretty weird. Even assuming that some of it is spontaneous, I am sure that not everyone in that room is doing it genuinely. I'd say a good bit of it is indeed done on purpose. I've been in plenty of rooms where they do tell you to laugh.
@rashida2469
2 жыл бұрын
What I notice in this convo not once I heard them using bible verses in context to explain these experiences. Like how will know if lies or truth,like which Spirit is truly at work then ? It's all about feelings, ' hearing from God', what they think etc, but didn't the Bible warn us about leaning to our own understanding and this why we need the Bible? So we can know what true and the standard? But these two gentlemen are doing this alot. That's a red flag for me!
@MPoweredChristianMinistries
3 жыл бұрын
I liked some aspects of this conversation but what I didn’t like is that they did very little to refute exactly how they know the common manifestations are from God. They didn’t explain what Kundalini was, how it manifests, where it comes from, how it bears fruit unlike the Holy Spirit, how people get it, how to get rid of it, how to test the spirit to see if it comes from God, or any of their own experiences dealing with it or doing deliverance. Basically they didn’t really address the thumbnail and title topic at all. How can you try to convince the rest of the discerning charismatic world that you’re not falling for the demonic deception that they’re accusing you of without even demonstrating that you do in fact have an understanding of what they’re accusing you of?
@anthrop7998
3 жыл бұрын
but the "internet invented it" so it must not be a real thing that Hindus do all the time and have the same experiences... I mean.. you know.
@rickdalbey6009
3 жыл бұрын
What is there to address? Kundalini is an obscure form of Hindu Yoga. This is a ridiculous accusation that you can't defend against because it has no rational basis. Bethel has no connection to Yoga, Hinduism or anything remotely Indian. Its like me saying you have a Norwegian Thor spirit. What is your defense?
@glennbeauchamp3202
3 жыл бұрын
Also Satan with the kundalini spirit might be himself trying in his own false religions trying to imitate the manifestations of the Holy Spirit.
@michellemyers4219
3 жыл бұрын
@@rickdalbey6009 have you read “Physics of Heaven”??? It has all the New Thought spiritualism and excuses for this “experience” and then some - literally Bethel wants to “reclaim” New Age practices for God because they claim it was God’s in the first place. Um… no. If you have ever been through fire tunnels or experienced their prophecy conferences, the twitching and jerking, and screaming is all kundilini spirit junk.
@Siscast
3 жыл бұрын
Look at scripture. Search the two verses. "You will know them by their fruits." "Every spirit that confesses Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God." Read what the Bible says are the fruits of the Spirit. Knowing this, as well as the integrity and character of the believers involved, you will discern through the Holy Spirit whether what you are feeling is of God or of the devil. If you can't tell the difference between the Holy Spirit and a demon, you are probably a carnal christian who doesn't walk in the Spirit in the first place, rather, someone who walks in the flesh, doing religious works and accusing Jesus Christ like the Pharisees did. I get the feeling the carnal christians who are spiritually blind are the ones afraid of deception because they are unable to discern in their flesh.
@NazSBG
3 жыл бұрын
Tongues and prophecy cannot be taught. They are gifts of the Holy Spirit!
@jeremyjohnson9222
3 жыл бұрын
Show me one, just one true prophet on this earth, that is currently alive
@ReneAstorga
3 жыл бұрын
Why wouldn’t you test the spirits?
@rburt4770
3 жыл бұрын
Food for thought: Does the Bible tell us what the presence of God "feels" like? I don't think so. Also, look at the response of people in the Bible when they encounter God: reverence, fear, a recognition of their own unworthiness (Matthew 17, Exodus 20, Isaiah 6, Acts 5). Not euphoria or incessant laughing or shaking. I am not saying the Spirit can't bring you joy, but Biblically we are not given any description of what God's presence itself feels like.
@markdurdle7710
3 жыл бұрын
Actually the Bible does give you more description than just the passages you have mentioned. But then Christians shouldn't be judging by what something looks like. (1 Samuel 16:7). As Bill was saying, what is the fruit of the experience.
@rburt4770
3 жыл бұрын
@@markdurdle7710 From what I understand, the fruit of the Christian life comes from the Holy Spirit illuminating the truth of God's word to us and helping us apply that truth to our lives, sanctifying us and renewing our minds. Subjective mystical experiences, not to be rude but that is these "manifestations" are, don't produce fruit founded upon the Truth.
@markdurdle7710
3 жыл бұрын
@@rburt4770 but the ultimate aim of the bible is more than that, it is to reveal God to us so we may know him and have a relationship with him. It is so much more than a rule book. And the fruit of a Christian life is how much love you have for him and how much are you showing his love to others.
@rburt4770
3 жыл бұрын
@@markdurdle7710 But the Bible tells us explicitly what it means to know God and how we know Him (e.g. 1 John 4:7, Ephesians 1:17, Phil. 3:10), and wild physical manifestations are not the way, and we should be cautious about accepting or welcoming such things as being from God. Thank you for your polite responses.
@markdurdle7710
3 жыл бұрын
@@rburt4770 how do you reconcile that view with what it says in Acts when the Holy Spirit came on them in the upper room. They appeared to be drunk to outside observers.
@Everyday_prophetic
3 жыл бұрын
These arguments have been laid at the door of Bethel for well over a decade now. Slightly overdue but I’m really glad that Bill and his team are finally beginning to address them publicly. 👏
@ERRGRR1
3 жыл бұрын
There was no addressing at all its all just in the title but no biblical depiction or readings or actual scripture.. Just because they say the word "scripture" doesn't mean they use the bible. Because they never open it and read it
@ERRGRR1
3 жыл бұрын
They address them? Rather make excuses for them. No biblical correction or back up for what they do
@ERRGRR1
3 жыл бұрын
@Dean Agnor um behavior manual? Your adding an impossibility to make an argument. You don't need extra experiences to be in Christ Jesus. Plus the Bible is sufficient for anything and everything anyone does. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work
@ERRGRR1
3 жыл бұрын
@Dean Agnor I'm not worshipping the bible in the least bit. Thats like making an idol of the text. but it is the inerrant word of God.
@E.K.2003
3 жыл бұрын
Tunnel fires, honey pots, destiny cards, gold dust, constant "heavenly encounters" do not equate salvation. Too much focus on "experience" "His Presence" are manifestations; but not the Godly kind.
@RonCopperman
3 жыл бұрын
I was a Zen Buddhist and New Age Shamanic practitioner (Reiki included) for 20 years... And got filled with the Holy Spirit with power and love . And in an instant I was changed. It's been 20 years and I still shake, laugh, criy and smiled a bunch. I have known unclean spirits and now know the Spirit of God. Bethel is a great place to meet Jesus and learn by his spirit. (Hi Bill : )
@GloryToTheHighest
Жыл бұрын
Why would you shake and laugh? I have a Holy Spirit and its a beautiful and loving spirit. I am calm.
@partlysimpson5154
11 ай бұрын
how? I mean did u repent before ?
@JustAZillennial
6 ай бұрын
The fruit of the Spirit is self-control
@mariamargaritamendozagarci5249
3 жыл бұрын
I'm a very active believer all my life, I'm in my 60's and still I don't understand why some Christians fight other Christians, it doesn't make sense, Jesus died for us to bring us salvation, healing and His joy. If I don't like something I don't listen to it, but some people listen to after critizise; the world need Jesus, we should be out there bring Jesus salvation and love to others. To be honest all this bickering it's a waste of time.
@annahargrave8309
3 жыл бұрын
People speak out against false teachers in order to warn unknowing and vulnerable Christians not to follow them. There is a place for truth and discernment, and unity should never be at the expense of truth and guarding against a false gospel.
@RM-rd5rm
3 жыл бұрын
Bethel stopping someone from singing "it's the blood" during worship? You guys are the pioneers of "free worship" ... what do you have against the Blood?
@Johndoe-g2w
3 жыл бұрын
People will always demonize what they dont understand and attack where the Spirit is seriously showing up.
@matasaina2011
3 жыл бұрын
Yep, plenty of heretic hunters in KZitem land.
@Brandonson80
3 жыл бұрын
This. They can't because He hasn't opened their heart yet...BUT He will!
@kurtsherrick2066
3 жыл бұрын
When you search the Scripture for Sound Doctrine and you reach a point of Discernment the Holy Spirit will scream at you when you hear the things are wrong. Bill Johnson is not teaching the Gospel. He says Christ lost his Dietary on Earth. God never stops being God. He said Christ was the most Normal Christian there ever was. No normal Christians are sinners that can only be made Righteous by Christ. He had a guy preaching that said a preacher really hurt is feelings. Then he said Jesus came to him in a dream and Jesus asked this guy to forgive him. He said Jesus told him that he was sorry because it was one of his people that hurt him. Seriously!! Jesus asking for forgiveness? You see Satan knows the Scriptures more than anyone and knows how to make something true but isn't. Remember what Christ said. They will come Wolves dressed in Sheep Clothing. I hope that gives you something to think about. I suggest Justin Peter's Clouds Without Water. It is four about one how Lectures. May God Bless you and yours.
@afrahall-beers9436
3 жыл бұрын
@@kurtsherrick2066 Thank you for speaking out. Justin Peters does indeed do a great job in the Clouds Without Water series - I too learned so much. To those who think it is only through incoherent babble, choreas, uncontrollable laughing, trances, falling over backwards and the like, that the Holy Spirit manifests Himself to a believer, consider this - He’s the agent of salvation, the convictor of sin, the transformer of lives and the producer of repentance that leads to life. He is our advocate (defense council) helper, paraclete (one who stands alongside us) and comforter/strengthener. He is the one Who energizes the Gospel and makes it real to us and gives us the longing to spend time in His Word. He is the one who points us to Jesus. That is the work of the Holy Spirit. Oh did I mention He was also instrumental in creating the earth Gen 1:2 "and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters....."
@kurtsherrick2066
3 жыл бұрын
@@afrahall-beers9436 Thank you so much for the Encouragement. We have to speak up. Your reply to me just gives me more motivation to help others who are fooled by all this stuff that isn't our Jesus. God bless you and your courage. Hopefully others will read our comments and become a Berean and search for the truth. Jesus will guide them. Like Justin said. A Christ that can Save us can give us solid Discernment.
@karengrounds1564
3 жыл бұрын
Humility and prayer precedes an outpouring of the Holy Spirit!
@merrittascott3323
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah? Where is that written?
@NinersGuy04
3 жыл бұрын
And fasting.
@EAB-bz6yi
3 жыл бұрын
@@merrittascott3323 and depends on if you are worshipping the wrong Jesus. Bill teaches a Jesus that wasn't God on earth!
@halleenmama
3 жыл бұрын
A lot of talking but nothing being said. Never even addressed the kundalini spirit.
@songsbydaniel
3 жыл бұрын
Enjoying these podcast format soundbites.
@adamgoodword7888
2 жыл бұрын
Dont be deceived by them!!
@ogmakefirefiregood
3 жыл бұрын
Study to show yourself approved to God a workman who need not be ashamed rightly handling the word of truth. 2Tim 3:16 There guys are not doing that.
@ZTAudio
3 жыл бұрын
Eighteen minutes where the issue brought up in the title is nowhere substantively addressed. Matthew 5:37 seems to apply.
@jobrown8146
3 жыл бұрын
All they did was mention it. It was not addressed.
@idahoduckhunter
3 жыл бұрын
like a smooth talking used car salesman
@Gotfish
3 жыл бұрын
This is a great session of learning how to pastor in a spiritual and even intense situation and how to pastor it will love and tender care. Great stuff and wisdom by Pastor Dann and Pastor Bill Johnson! God Bless you guys!
@merrittascott3323
3 жыл бұрын
Great is when only scripture is Truth, not man's teachings.
@jonathandavid9720
3 жыл бұрын
@@merrittascott3323 ...and fortunately Bill teaches from Scripture
@briancollier7736
2 жыл бұрын
Wake up
@alyciaprickett5948
2 жыл бұрын
No he does not teach from scripture
@jonedmunds8383
3 жыл бұрын
For a pastor who asks a participant who is under the influence " is this the Lord, are you OK" . That immediately tells this pastor is unqualified if he can't discern what is happening, he is suppose to be a teacher of the scriptures. Show me the scriptures where people are acting like they are out of control and it's of God. The Lord is not the author of confusion. If you have the holy spirit and study the scriptures you will see the stark Contrast between biblical Christianity and these false teachers.
@wendyhall24
3 жыл бұрын
Only scripture that comes to mind is Acts 2:13 “Others mocking said, these men are full of new wine.” I do wonder what they were acting like to be accused of being drunk back then.
@alexpersaud7845
3 жыл бұрын
A general question....13:26... what are we hungry for? I am hungry to see the lost found... the homeless sheltered... the broken heart healed... miracles, unless you are called to a specific miracle working, should not be the sole purpose of what we are after. We should be after the result of someone becoming free through miracles, not just after performing a miracle. Ministry should not be hinged on miracles... rather... individual life transformation for Jesus
@dr.julianataylor4312
3 ай бұрын
WELL SAID...HELPING PEOPLE - THIS IS JESUS HEALING PEOPLE..
@brandonwestern578
3 жыл бұрын
I mean this with respect, but the host is soooo annoying talking over the guest every question. Terrible interviewing skills.
@alfredak
3 жыл бұрын
I do feel the same, but it more like a conversation than interview.
@jayshen84
3 жыл бұрын
Its not an interview in my opinion. Both are equally qualified to comment on the doctrines of Bethel since one is the senior pastor and the other the dean of their bible school.
@DSouth
3 жыл бұрын
He does talk a lo, which I like. At the same time He is a key member of the leadership, leads the local church and the Dean of the school. Bill is great but he’s not a one man band and definitely wants others to be in on the convo 😃
@brandonwestern578
3 жыл бұрын
The man was asking direct questions and barely allowing the other guy to speak a word after he asks them.
@Lightylight
3 жыл бұрын
@@brandonwestern578 they’re both lead pastors as bethel so they’re both adding value as much as they can
@scubaoctopus
3 жыл бұрын
Bethel and Bill Johnson, ruuuuuuun from them! Block them and delete them!
@kca741979
3 жыл бұрын
Like you did watching this video? Interesting...
@yanflo69
2 жыл бұрын
What do you mean
@annahargrave8309
3 жыл бұрын
Doesn’t seem from the comments that people are being reassured by these videos. On the contrary I’m reassured that there are a lot of people who can also see the weirdness being taught by Bethel
@TheNarrowGate101
3 жыл бұрын
The blind leading the blind.
@anthrop7998
3 жыл бұрын
Bill's deception glasses on full display
@HPP2023
3 жыл бұрын
These ministries have an idolization of "spirituality" and put a "God" label on it. The word governs the Spirit and gives discernment on who the Holy Spirit is. Feelings and emotions do not trump "truth". So often as people, we rely on what the flesh claims to be true, and what we need is for obedience and guidance on what God says is true!
@fernandotemiquel7432
3 жыл бұрын
I was in a debate with one of these followers of this charismatic move at first I used scripture and Logic as well as exposing the evil in these churches. But immediately he responded with his own feelings and never used scripture to disprove me of anything.
@fernandotemiquel7432
3 жыл бұрын
They simply dont know any Scripture to actually discern anything in the scriptures.
@fernandotemiquel7432
3 жыл бұрын
To the point that he told me that i was not in the Grid of reality because i told him that when he read the bible, he should read as a child would. He doesn't know that the Lord has said that if were to enter the Kingdom of God we are to be like children and its pretty fascinating.
@jonathandavid9720
3 жыл бұрын
@@fernandotemiquel7432 So that proves your take on Scripture and logic is correct?
@jonathandavid9720
3 жыл бұрын
@@fernandotemiquel7432 You should know what happens when you make ignorant assumptions and overgeneralizations about people.
@fergiefergie5759
3 жыл бұрын
I had a friend with cancer who flew to California in hopes that bethel would help her get her healing. Approximately 2 years later after they drained her bank account ( she had to pay them to pray over her) she died of her cancer and was penny less. They told her it was her fault, she didn’t have enough faith 😢
@beautifulwoman1049
3 жыл бұрын
What? Crazy
@yourregularspontie8587
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry for that. Sad indeed
@patrickkane5568
2 жыл бұрын
Bastards
@jojohaynes
Жыл бұрын
Hi - just to clarify, Bethel does not charge for healing, nor have they ever. If anything, she may have gone to the Transformation Center, which is for "inner" healing, like counseling. The TC does charge because they spend hours with people, and are trained counselors. They have physical healing rooms open every Saturday morning from 8:30am-12pmish, it's free, open to the public, and they see miracles there every week. I am so sorry your friend passed away and had a bad experience, and I pray this doesn't change your own experience with God.
@fergiefergie5759
Жыл бұрын
@@jojohaynes Too late… My sister, who was entrenched in the bethel church doctrine of signs and wonders, was diagnosed with ovarian cancer in October 2021 She was prophesied over by the like of Dutch Sheets and other false prophets that God was about to perform a great miracle and my sister was going to “walk on water” and God would be glorified and her healing would usher in the glory of God. So….she refused treatment 😞. Her cultish friends encamped her and forbid anything negative be spoken over her. They read Hank and Brenda Kunnamens book of decreeing and declaring over her every single day. They prophesied, declared, decreed, rebuked, repented, layed hands, interceded. Her daughters and I were not allowed to doubt or question at all! Guess what, she still died. From diagnosis to death was 3 months. 3 horrific unimaginable months as we watched the cancer eat her insides away Then to top it off, they tried to resurrect her!!! Way too much to write in a comment section My sister read Bill Johnson, Katt Kerr, Dutch Sheets, Chuck Pierce, Robin Bullock all their books and teachings. If anyone had the faith to live it was my sister. January 4 will be one year since she went to heaven to be with Jesus. I hate what this apostasy teachings of these wolves teach. I don’t think I will ever get over the evilness of heretical teachings did to my sister. I praise God that he plucked me out of that polluted river many years ago
@GracesDiaryOfficial
2 жыл бұрын
The kundalini spirit was not invented By the internet. My goodness. Test every spirit.
@governor7203
3 жыл бұрын
Why would "dancing in the spirit" cause a demon to unhinge itself to someone? Where is the biblical understanding for that?
@aarongabrieljones
3 жыл бұрын
“God inhabits the praise of His people” following the leading of Holy Spirit leads to breakthrough. Why would an axe handle float or a branch purify poison water? Those Bible examples show us that we are to be further instructed. The foundation for the action is the command of Jesus to free people from the demonic. Because we start off knowing what Jesus commanded us to do we are bold to try to follow Him in the details so He gets His way and freedom comes to that beloved individual.
@merrittascott3323
3 жыл бұрын
@@aarongabrieljones Hi, there you go again, empty words because scripture doesn't confirm it. You quote man's teachings, but I'm not finding scriptural confirmation. You use human logic as if it has value. It's just cow dung. Let the scriptures teach you.
@sdm101869
3 жыл бұрын
@@merrittascott3323 Okay, so he quoted or paraphrased Psalm 22:3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel. He cites the "biblical story" of a floating axe handle or of a branch purifying water and cites Jesus' commandment to cast out demons, heal the sick, raise the dead etc and you say its "empty words"? Merritta Scott, how many people have you seen healed or raised from the dead or demons cast out? Those are all biblical commands you seem to imply you follow but judge others for taking it as an actual command to do? Why do you hold others to a biblical standard you don't follow yourself? Which commands of Jesus do you think Jesus meant and which ones did he not? You say you let the scriptures teach you? You know what Jesus actual words in the actual bible say about that? He says John 5:39-40 English Standard Version 39 You SEARCH the Scriptures because you THINK that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, 40 yet you REFUSE to come to me that you may have life. Maybe you should stop searching the scriptures for your own purposes and start searching out the living Word they speak about.
@healingthroughchrist1988
3 жыл бұрын
Why would walking around Jericho cause the walls to fall down? God sometimes does miracles in unusual ways.
@jonathandavid9720
3 жыл бұрын
@@merrittascott3323 Im afraid you're the one who is in serious need of learning the power of God in whatever way he pleases.
@heartofgodchildrensministr4509
2 жыл бұрын
This spirit is a from Hindu religion. I found Bethel on accident, went cautiously and prayed for discernment. Here is my conclusion. “They’ll be known by their fruit.” Bethel has Very Good fruit!
@nataliedyer1819
8 күн бұрын
I like this and have "wrestled" with this - I know the most beautiful, authentic Believers who go to Bethel. I stopped going over my confusion over it all. Christians "warned " me. I'm interested to know though about the "barking and laughter and rolling around stuff" there has been times when I was in a Bethel service and I hear "laughter" but it sounded more like an "evil laughter" if that makes sense?
@TheStemo1
3 жыл бұрын
I think for anyone accusing others of 'kundalini' spirit, they need to examine themselves and see if there is fear in their hearts. In the past I have seen people start to accuse others who have freedom in order to make themselves feel better about their bondage.
@catherinegrace2366
3 жыл бұрын
I ask the different people in the comment section who are shouting kundalini spirit at Bethel, what their fruit is. I’m called to be a fruit checker. I check fruit. No one ever follows through. That’s always where the conversation dies.
@feathers34
3 жыл бұрын
@@catherinegrace2366 discernment, thats what we have. The kundalini spirit is a real thing, and believe me, it is NOT the Holy Spirit. Shaking and head banging uncontrollably is NOT self control. Sorry. This Bethel stuff does not wash with Christianity. They teach a false gospel and a different Jesus.
@afrahall-beers9436
3 жыл бұрын
@@feathers34 They do. Thank you Feathers.
@TheStemo1
3 жыл бұрын
@@feathers34 Have you ever heard of the Quakers or the Shakers?
@feathers34
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheStemo1 would that prove anything?
@MoscowMood
3 жыл бұрын
You have to clarify whether or not it’s the Holy Spirit or if the person is having a stroke?!??! 🤯Can you please back this up with scripture?
@yohannnadar5800
3 жыл бұрын
These are gems which help us, the Body of Christ learn a lot, plz keep up the series.
@christinehuck9963
3 жыл бұрын
I sat through weeks of the Fire Starter class and witnessed many who operated in the Kundalini spirit. However, it did not happen through the leadership, but those who attended, including the table leaders. They even commented, We don't want to over correct students/leaders and discourage them, but to aid them to find the Holy Spirit. That is true. I've have been delivered of the same spirit and now find it easy to recognize. I was a disciple for years before I was delivered. So, yes, some there can get out of hand but their desire for God is sincere.
@ayliniemi
3 жыл бұрын
@Candise Carlson Probably somebody told her she had it. I doubt it was a true discerning of a spirits or that God told her "You have this spirit." I don't want to say this arrogantly, but more like I'm making a stock market bet since we operate in head knowledge so often. If that spirit really is in the Church, I want to know but we need to discern it by the spirit and not our fear or somebody's accusation/ conspiracy theory.
@amaarmenteros1594
Жыл бұрын
Isn’t Kundalini a yoga term, I believe it is. We know yoga opens doors to the the demonic, it’s an ancient practice that is rooted in its own religion.
@camgalloway691
Жыл бұрын
@@amaarmenteros1594 Truth is there is no such thing as a kundalini spirit. Kundalini means coiled energy that is believed by ancients to lie coiled in the base of the spine. People believe that you can tap/tune into that and unravel it in some way and undergo a euphoric/ecstatic as well as even repentant experience for some. My personal opinion is that there is a lot of confusion surrounding spiritual mechanics and experiences and I think Satan is all in that confusion. All he wants to do is confuse us over every little thing and turn us against each other because he just wants to prolong his time before the final judgment. He stops the advancement of the kingdom of God in us. I believe there is a spiritual experience that everyone can partake of within themselves that has to do with their own human spirit. It doesn’t necessarily mean it’s demonic because of that, but it also doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s a direct encounter with Holy Spirit or that it is Holy Spirit led/facilitated though believe it can be. The ancient Hindus just found some way to access that uncoiling experience through yoga. I don’t really think that’s the way we ought to go about that generally but I don’t think that’s necessarily an evil thing. What mainly makes it no so good is the motive behind it. And usually the motive is the pursuit of wisdom through the knowledge of good and evil rather than spiritual knowledge of God that is obtained through intimate relationship with Him (tree of life). In all likely hood, that person who commented was told in some way that she had a demonic kundalini spirit. Whether that was a person, a KZitem video, a book, a sermon, or a ministry, most likely it’s another case of connecting the dots through doubt being cast upon the experiences as well as linking the experiences with not so good fruit and character that was perceived in others but wrongly believed that those experiences were the direct cause of that bad fruit and/or character. Basically us, usually fearfully, jumping to conclusions and not thinking as rationally as we’d like to think. Being led by the knowledge of good and evil and not actually discerning via spirit.
@tlc2387
3 жыл бұрын
That "can't sustain this" is exactly what I will feel. I really need to trust that the Holy Spirit is moving wether I am physically tired, emotionally low, or dead, lol. Thank you for bringing that up.👆💪👆🔥👆☝️❤️
@merrittascott3323
3 жыл бұрын
Read the book of Habakuk. The last chapter concludes with no matter what the circumstances, I will trust and praise God. The last chapter of Ecclesiastes states the purpose we have with God. Aren't you terrified to not have the fear of God?
@NinPossible
Жыл бұрын
Hmm. Isn't "self-control" one of the Fruits of the Spirit?
@amakersshop
2 жыл бұрын
The kundalini spirit is real. It's what they practice in the new age.
@214BIgl
3 жыл бұрын
As an ex Kundalini worshipper, nothing is closer than Gods words. The knowledge and knowing of His heart!
@healthenations4221
3 жыл бұрын
Wow I've got delivered from it. I still don't really know where it's coming from so I would really like to know. Like I see a shining in the eyes of bethelites, did you have it too? And did you have physical tiredness after being in his presence?
@214BIgl
3 жыл бұрын
@@healthenations4221 Hello, sorry for the delayed reply, I wanted to give a better answer. Thank you for replying. As a scientist, a questioner and someone who dives deep into thought, consciousness, physical reasoning, mental, environmental situations etc, this is actually a very difficult answer to fully address in my opinion. However, As someone who was radically saved in a space where there was no Christianity apparent, My life has seen a journey from closed, to radically extreme Christianity to a now reformed theology approach, and I Can say, this so-called (mysticism) is possible for anyone. There is not enough research in this space unfortunately that I have found. Noting that, Bethal & other extreme forms of "Christianity" is not sound in the bible. They have taken things way out of context to justify these actions. These actions form through Community engagement (mimic others around), activate high levels of unconscious stimulation ( a way without drugs), and deep mindfulness techniques, and throw in the acceptance so we don't feel weird, this all attributes to an activity of higher consciousness. Something I think many Buddist Monks, and others try to achieve. This is Blashmosphy!!! This took me years to really shake up all this world I knew, but through it all, I had a strong brethren upbringing into good theology that kept me being real and right. Understand I can still go into that mindful realm so to speak, if I activate it, but what fruit does it produce for God, how am I saving the lost through it, feeding the poor etc? In regards to your tiredness and seeing those things, no, you may have connected to evil spirits which this form happens a lot through witchcraft/ black magic etc. This can be through a heavy spiritual weight (bad) and/or also, using up loads of cognitive and physical energy. This form of manifest does use a lot of energy of self, this could have been the culprit. I'm sorry I can't answer the rest. My take-home now is that of course, it is real, just like Islam, Buddhism etc, Satan mimics himself to look like angels, demons do well at manipulating scripture, (white lies) etc, and put community, a leader, lack of education and you have yourself all forms of religion that access to the power of self and the evil realm. I do not denote all of this and go the extreme way of Christianity either and be closed, but be soundly critical in the word of God, letting God deliver you through His word. Grow in wisdom and fear in the lord, loving to know Him through his word. And taking what you know, and correcting the truth, as this world is greatly deceived to Christians and non-Christians. I pray for you and others, that your heart and mind be transformed, that you form a love of God through the Knowledge of His word! PS. there is heaps of good commentary online, about much of this, but still, be discerning. Also, if you can't find a good answer, that is ok, spend more time with God and his word, people and the lost, than focusing on such things. He will reveal more when he allows it. But don't forget also, we will be like him I heaven and know all, so take heart what is false, be away with it and run to Him :) God Bless.
@NinPossible
Жыл бұрын
@@healthenations4221 and those manifestations are more important than the Word and faith?
@tamaraabbas3875
3 жыл бұрын
When people are rolling around on the floor, screaming uncontrollably, are you seriously trying to say that this is the Holy Spirit???
@Peaka01
3 жыл бұрын
i agree with you. I don't see how that can be the Holy Spirit when people are writhing in agony rolling around on the floor & screaming at the top of their lungs.
@tamaraabbas3875
3 жыл бұрын
@@Peaka01 the only examples I see in Scripture of such behavior is when people were demon possessed.
@Helen.Jesus-Saves
3 жыл бұрын
My 8 year old saw a video of what you described and I said they thought it was the HS. He looked me in the eye and replied "that's not the HS". He's 8...
@daniell5740
3 жыл бұрын
You never experienced God before or his power. Don’t talk on something you are ignorant of kid
@tamaraabbas3875
3 жыл бұрын
@@Helen.Jesus-Saves he's very wise.
@monicacurteman
3 жыл бұрын
To everyone who has supposedly watched this wanting scripture verses. They said it all throughout the video: Matthew 11:6 “Blessed are those who are not offended by me.” Hebrews 5:14 “But solid food is for the [spiritually] mature, whose senses are trained by practice to distinguish between what is morally good and what is evil.” Luke 18:17 “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God [with faith and humility] like a child will not enter it at all.” And Matthew 11:25 “At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.” Most people who are commenting on their lack of scripture, I would encourage Bible reading or simply a google search so your comments can hold some weight.
@theservantsresource3565
3 жыл бұрын
So you use Scripture to show how Bethel Christians are more spiritually mature than others. Ok, I get it. We’re all a bunch of religious Pharisees, because we think that the Scriptures actually mean what the authors intended, and that it takes some intellectual rigor sometimes to understand them. I get it. I notice you didn’t mention the actual miracles that clearly don’t happen at Bethel, like immunity from COVID, and resurrections.
@markcolby2927
3 жыл бұрын
my question is why does bill still need glasses, doesn't he have enough faith????
@theservantsresource3565
3 жыл бұрын
@@markcolby2927 The answer to that very reasonable question from Bethel seems to be: Stop using your intellect in questioning everything that doesn’t make sense. Just have faith, and blindly follow the teachings of a guy who likes to string bits and pieces of Scripture together like a master salesman.
@RonCopperman
3 жыл бұрын
Monica, good answer.....golf clap.
@feathers34
3 жыл бұрын
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck.
@Lightylight
3 жыл бұрын
“If it looks like a woman and talks like a woman” It may be a transgender. 2021 is complicated man
@RonCopperman
3 жыл бұрын
@@Lightylight lol
@dancolvin3268
Жыл бұрын
Or a false teacher
@htebazileeilsel2293
3 жыл бұрын
"You get what you teach"? No, God distributes spiritual gifts as He pleases and you can't teach people the gifts(ESP for money!) This series has only solidified the fact that Bethel should be avoided.
@bjrnroargisnas6337
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, the Spirit distributes the giftes as he pleases, but Paul also thaught the church in Corint on the spiritual gifts. He also encourage them to earnestly seek the gifts, especially the prophetic gift! I think the implication here would be that they had to seek it to get it. If they didnt, they would be found wanting. Its obvious that churches who dont teach on these things will lack these things. Hosea said: «my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. Hosea 4:6 NIV We definitely need teaching on everything regarding the kingdome of God. Its like the proverb says: «The horse is made ready for the day of battle, but victory rests with the Lord.» Proverbs 21:31 NIV Even though the victory belongs to the Lord, we still have to do our part. Right? This is applicable to teaching the gifts. Bethel is a good and sound Church that i highly reccomend.
@htebazileeilsel2293
3 жыл бұрын
@@bjrnroargisnas6337 Paul did not teach people the gifts, he gave them guidelines on how they *should* be used- thats totally different than what Bethel is doing, they are charging money for this "service" as well. In Acts Peter rebukes Simon the magician for thinking he could buy the Holy Spirit and says "your money perish with you, you thought you could buy the gift of God?" Yes, desire the gifts, Paul says "especially that you *may* prophecy, not that you should just try and hope to get it right- but pray to God that He would allow you to. Bethel teaches you *how* to "prophecy"(which no one can do that but God) and say that anything positive you say is a prophecy. That's so unbiblical and dangerous..no wonder KZitem is clogged up with "prophets" who constantly get it wrong. Prophecy isnt fortune telling, it has a purpose and its to point people back to Gods Word and edify/warn the church. None of the prophets just spoke positive vague messages, quite the contrary. It was the false prophets who always had something nice (but false)to say. You are using all of those Scriptures you cited out of context.You use the Scripture "my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" to support Bethel, when that Scripture is a warning to know the Word of God and hold fast to it so you wont be deceived. Please brother, just read your Bible and pray for understanding and wisdom(but in sincerity) ask God to teach you and be wary of these Bethel folks, we are warned in every NT letter to beware of false teachers and false prophets who claim to be of God but ate not.
@nettym1457
3 жыл бұрын
@@htebazileeilsel2293 Well said brother 👏I’m so thankful there’s others out there speaking sound truth and valuing scripture above all else. So many that love Bethel think we are just being critical due to being legalistic and we just ‘don’t get it’.. which is so not true. We get it, our eyes have just been opened to the deception of it, and we LOVE them enough to tell them the truth and warn them of the falsehood so many are caught up in. I’m so glad you spoke up, please don’t stop.. there are so many caught up in this deception, I pray sincerely their eyes will be opened. God bless you 🙏🏼
@htebazileeilsel2293
3 жыл бұрын
@@nettym1457 Thank you for the encouragement, I've been called so many evil things. But Jesus said to rejoice when they say all kinds of evil things about us,great is our reward, for so they did to the prophets. It pains me greatly to watch people fall for deception I can only continue to diligently speak truth in hopes of saving some. May the grace and peace of our Lord Jesus be with you.
@3ate4
3 жыл бұрын
The Bible states in numerous scriptures how God is not a God of confusion, He is a God of order. And to conduct ourselves in an orderly way. Watching these tunnels of fire and impartations from Bethel are absolutely unscriptural, chaotic, and scary. These men are just answering the question presented here by simply saying they know it's God. What? That's not answering the question from the word of God. Please beware and ponder this. And Bill says it's a poor standard of judging things, when people nay say against this stuff they are doing, but the standard people are using against them is the Bible. The Bible is the standard! What they are doing is clearly against the word of God. They are ignoring that and not using scripture to support their argument. It's scary manipulative what Bill is saying... That anyone who speaks against them are basically fighting against what God is doing. God has declared what He did and is doing in His Word. And Bill is working against it in most of what he does and how his church operates.
@ERRGRR1
3 жыл бұрын
Why does the host assume everything what's happening with bill johnson but bill doesn't rectify anything he assumes. They just back up and dig a deeper hole into their heretical beliefs
@aaron3378
2 жыл бұрын
Is Bill Johnson a warlock??? I have heard that he was... Which would explain the Kundalini spirit
@johne7990
3 жыл бұрын
I have never heard anything so arrantly ridiculous as this “accusation”. To those making the accusations - please, stop making yourself look so ridiculous. At best you are embarrassing yourself, at worst you are doing the enemies work for him.
@catherinegrace2366
3 жыл бұрын
Well said. I agree.
@Erin_The_Lotus
3 жыл бұрын
Blasphemy of the holy spirit is the only thing God won't forgive...calling it evil is basically what they r saying
@catherinegrace2366
3 жыл бұрын
@@Erin_The_Lotus they scare me. We are suppose to test the spirit. Nothing wrong with that but in the many I have talked with they’re like on repeat or something. Repeating what someone said not something they know.
@Helen.Jesus-Saves
3 жыл бұрын
Hyper charismatic is not christianity
@Erin_The_Lotus
3 жыл бұрын
@@Helen.Jesus-Saves bet you're fun at parties
@SquishyyyBeaner
3 жыл бұрын
Yea you do operate in it. You do not operate under the Holy Spirit. Show us in scripture where you get this theology of a fire tunnel or all the weird crap you guys do.
@Bornstella
3 жыл бұрын
You guys should have Costi Hinn on
@terryhavener5134
3 жыл бұрын
I can find the word/name kundalini anywhere in scripture. Does anybody know where in scripture it is mentioned? Did Jesus cast out a spirit of kundalini?
@robertgalea1562
3 жыл бұрын
Bible is full of warnings of other and familiar spirits. Many people and churches unknowingly conjured many demon spirits masquerading as the Holy Spirit .. By the way the Holy Spirit does not move in the flesh only..like the Pentecost claim.. lucerfarian spirit do.. Because Hindu kundalini spirit manifest the same way. The Holy Spirit is Indwelt part of your God concious to help you in your Christian walk. Pentecostcal Charasmatic worship is counterfiet knostic spiritual at best .. your pentecost heart is in the right place .. you just do not understand the sovereignty of God .. God has spoken in the Scripture. He is not speaking to you !!
@Dwight_K_Schrute
3 жыл бұрын
Rediscover Bethel should be renamed Re-Defending Bethel since that’s all these videos are doing. Defensive, desperate, criticizing the critics. If you have to address on KZitem whether your church works in a thing called the Kundalini Spirit, you’ve already failed. Again.
@donjoseph73
2 жыл бұрын
God would NOT have people barking like dogs.
@ERRGRR1
3 жыл бұрын
Why does bill johnson have a bible that he never cracks open. Only explaining mystical experiences from others experiences. I mean he says the word biblical but doesn't give one bible reference .
@ericaladd1566
3 жыл бұрын
Religion much...
@ERRGRR1
3 жыл бұрын
@@ericaladd1566 yea his religion is false
@ericaladd1566
3 жыл бұрын
@@ERRGRR1 well your spirit of religion killed Jesus.
@ERRGRR1
3 жыл бұрын
@@ericaladd1566 my spirit of Religion? Jesus gave himself as a sacrifice. What are you talking about. Where did u hear that, honestly. See how these people teach you wrong. Please read it for yourself it's like right there.its important that you do, I say it not for the sake of arguing or pointing fingers.
@ericaladd1566
3 жыл бұрын
@@ERRGRR1 so a spirit didn't kill him? What killed him ?
@BecauseHeLovedMe1st
3 жыл бұрын
You two need to research that spirit, if you don't know what it is or looks like, because you Are operating in it in Several videos I've seen.
@dragoninwinter
3 жыл бұрын
I know "of" kundalini. Those who practice that form of yoga would probably laugh at the thought of Bethel being connected to it.
@RobinStoddard
3 жыл бұрын
Probably not, though.
@anthrop7998
3 жыл бұрын
what about the witches that went there and were given a prophesy to continue on their path? I mean its clearly a demonic spirit telling people that.
@jarbird83
3 жыл бұрын
Fear is not of God. If something is happening in a church service that makes you afraid, and offended, there is a good reason. It's antithetical to the Spirt of God within you rising up and alerting you to it. Don't turn that wisdom and discernment off and just go with it because you rationalize it and say "I guess God can do whatever he wants to do"...I must just not be good enough to recognize what he's doing. God makes sense. Even in the supernatural, he makes sense. Even when we don't understand Him, he makes sense. His Spirit is truth and we know Him. Faith is not as confusing as this. That is not to demonize or call into question the faith of people genuinely seeking after God. But when those alarm bells are going off, it's human error at work at the very least, even if it's well meaning or well intentioned.
@natashaowen6269
3 жыл бұрын
It the Holy Spirit’s presence is based on a “feeling”, it is completely subjective. And that is dangerous. There is nothing in scripture that tells us to close our eyes and feel if this is the Lord. Praise God from rescuing me from this movement
@ThePickleBean
3 жыл бұрын
That isn’t what they believe or teach at all. And if you can’t actually cite scripture that says we are not to seek encounters with Holy Spirit, I’m all ears.
@Christian_1980
3 жыл бұрын
Natasha: truth.
@alassmann
3 жыл бұрын
God has been missing or chased out of the church so long that when De does show up they think it's the devil
@danham4168
3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha...so often true!
@gandalf0987
3 жыл бұрын
Give me a break. When God shows up you know it's Him. There is a difference.
@mariabean1786
3 жыл бұрын
I hate that phrase when God shows up, and that he’s not in the church, when someone is saved The Holy Spirit comes to dwell in us helping us and sanctifying believers to be like Jesus , and He promises to always be with us - God cant be missing in a church where people are truly born again
@SquishyyyBeaner
3 жыл бұрын
Not true. He is not one to cause confusion or uncontrollable weirdness they have there.
@Window4503
3 жыл бұрын
Jesus said that many false prophets would come in his name. This is one of them. God never left the church. But the church sure likes to leave God to scratch their ears. That’s actually biblical.
@MonLeeMane
3 жыл бұрын
Not a single scripture quoted. Are we expected to put scripture and our minds away in order to agree with this? How do we love God with our minds?
@samulmagnus1
3 жыл бұрын
Elevate experience and debase the word that's the modern-day sin of the lust for the supernatural.
@ruthirwin8222
3 жыл бұрын
Any scripture to back your 'discussion'
@nildameers3772
3 жыл бұрын
He will offend your mind to reveal your heart Well said!
@3793samuel
Жыл бұрын
sounds good to people, but not according to the bible. but who needs the bible when you can have a drug trip in church.
@chainsawsurgeon6108
3 жыл бұрын
There's always a counterfeit in contrast to the real thing.
@lorikriese103
3 жыл бұрын
The devil can not create..he only mimics ( like a parrot) what he saw the Lord do. He is the father of lies. The Holy Spirit is the revealer of Truth. If you live in fear...that is not of God. Satan will mimic what only God can do. Only God has real power to heal, restore and to reveal truth. Only he can bring freedom. Test and see....you will know right away. If people are walking in freedom..leave it alone and let God be God. If they aren't walking in freedom...the Holy Spirit will show you quickly. Not sure why people get so worried and caught up about Spirits. Is God not great? Did he not over come? He said it is finished....so let it be
@anthrop7998
3 жыл бұрын
no. There is no biblical reference for this at all. God tells us to avoid all such nonsense.
@lorikriese103
3 жыл бұрын
@@anthrop7998 pharacie
@evahays7583
3 жыл бұрын
"a redemptive solution"... YES!!!
@wptx2827
2 жыл бұрын
We investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing.
@LordZordon1
3 жыл бұрын
So good. Things that sometimes people in church are afraid to address.
@merrittascott3323
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, the ministers have let God down. They are to equip the believers to walk in God's Truth. Believers are not taught about the Kundalini spirit, how to discern false prophecies, how to study, how to read scripture in context, the awareness of the fear of the LORD, witchcraft, meanings of words, etc..
@EAB-bz6yi
3 жыл бұрын
@@merrittascott3323 Why would they want to expose themselves for their falsehoods, false doctrines, etc. All they want to do is damage control, because many are waking up to the false doctrines they teach.
@tiberiugradinaru5677
5 ай бұрын
There may be evidence or instances that contribute to the attention or criticism directed towards bethel. There are reports, videos, or testimonies that people use to support their claims or concerns about the church.
@Joshualovespeople
3 жыл бұрын
We’ve been casting demons out of people coming out of charismatic movements. That’s the problem :/ they’re manifesting and y’all need to cast it out, not ask if it’s the Lord
@jh2263_
3 жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t practicing casting out demons make you part of a charismatic moveme too? Honest question.
@ayliniemi
3 жыл бұрын
@@jh2263_ Yeah, I want to see someone manifesting this kundawhatever spirit in one of your deliverance meetings. Then I will believe you.
@JBM101
2 жыл бұрын
Funny how a movement has to explain "spiritual experiences". ALot of Bethel operate out of mans soul ... much of it is not Spirit of God. This is misleading many good whole hearted believers who have not been discipled.
@adrioosthuizen6535
3 жыл бұрын
BETHEL IS A GODLY CHURCH.... IN JESUS NAME
@roshinjay9501
3 жыл бұрын
No it isn't
@jehuirasales3588
3 жыл бұрын
@@roshinjay9501 care to explain?
@Peaka01
3 жыл бұрын
Jut because you declare it, doesn't make it so.
@justinmendes9
3 жыл бұрын
Yyyyyyyeeeeaaaahhhhh...no it isn't
@justinmendes9
3 жыл бұрын
@Dean Agnor Not a lot of the times. I'm just someone who reads the bible and follows actual sound biblical expository preachers rather than listen to Bill Johnson AKA ✌✌" Papa Bill "✌✌
@scotteddy9960
2 жыл бұрын
What a bunch of gibberish. I've been studying the word of God for 49 years and I don't know what in the world they're talking about because it's not in the word of God. 🤷 This stuff is of the devil.
@carelvanderwesthuizen5220
3 жыл бұрын
‘there is (always) a redemptive solution’
@Alamothy
2 жыл бұрын
He will offend your mind to reveal your heart? The human heart is evil(unclean). That's why it must be circumcised. Why would God offend your mind in order to reveal the uncleanness of your heart. Surely He would renew your mind in order to reveal the new heart that He has given you in Jesus Christ.
@jonathanchaney5896
3 жыл бұрын
“The integrity of the experience”…experience still has to be under the authority of the Scriptures.
@merrittascott3323
3 жыл бұрын
Faith has nothing to do with feelings. Faith is trusting in the word of God for that is our only absolute Truth. To recieve salvation it's faith, not feelings, that is what God wants for us. Trust God remembering that He honors His word above His own name. Feelings mislead.
@forerunner7
3 жыл бұрын
No. People do. You cannot fault Bethel for immature and flaky people.. If that's the case every ministry birthed out of a move of God is faulted.. It very well could at times be kundalini, but most of this is flesh, pure and simple.. There's alot of flesh in the church.. Alot of freshly prophelying, and soulish moves that are not the Spirit of God.. People are going to say alot about anything and everything, but we need to seek Holy Spirit for the final word instead of judging by emotions and what our eyes read or hear.
@adenwade1260
3 жыл бұрын
Praise the Lord! Thank you, pastors. We know...by the fruits of Bethel, though some don’t understand some manifestations which they attribute to the demonic. They accused Jesus of the same thing!
@merrittascott3323
3 жыл бұрын
Don't understand??? Are you aware that once you come out from the deceptions, you can't believe you were so gullible when Truth was right there written in scripture. I didn't test those deceptions till I learned about Kundalini counterfeiting God the Holy Spirit. There is Utube videos that point out biblically false prophecies and false teachings . Chris Rosborough, Fighting For The Faith. Others are on Utube that teach the pure words of God and rightly divide the word of Truth. Then you can have ammunition to tell us why, using scriptures, that we are not open to the realm of the spirit world.
@lightabounds77
3 жыл бұрын
I got away from their teachings after four years of sitting under false doctrine. I am actually producing fruit in my life now because I am listening to pastors that teach through the word of God.
@3793samuel
Жыл бұрын
they accused Jesus because he threw out demons. we want to through out demons too and you accuse us to be like the devil. can you see it?
@ceciliagd2724
Жыл бұрын
Better stay in silent bro ,we saw the blasphemous book,physics of heaven
@redstone3985
3 жыл бұрын
Ps. Dann, again, please allow Bill to speak without interruption.
@jamesbramlett4192
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Too much Dan, not enough Bill.
@joesmoothee
3 жыл бұрын
No never too much Dann never enough Dann. He's a legend
@kizzy7562
3 жыл бұрын
From the look of the clothes these were all shot at the same time
@fenguzth
3 жыл бұрын
Chill people 🤣
@1Corinthians2.2
3 жыл бұрын
He says he doesn't question if it's a demon because of the integrity of the experience. I have no doubt the experience is REAL, but is it from God? These guys worship experience over worshipping Jesus. They seek experience more than they seek Jesus.
@WilliamtheWorst
3 жыл бұрын
This is pure garbarge. And why do you still need the glasses, Bill? Not enough faith, methinks...
@tedcruzwiththetopdown5411
2 жыл бұрын
The Charismatic Movement is just Eastern Mysticism with a Christian spin to it.
@RebeccaRivas87
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for these discussions. I’ve had a lot of painful experiences of losing relationships from bethel rumors and I didn’t have the adequate words to help them understand why I choose to continue my pursuit of the Holy Spirit and being loosely associated with Bethel... better late than never though, please don’t take these down ❤️❤️❤️
@merrittascott3323
3 жыл бұрын
Reread the comments in there entirety. I know both sides of this bc I came out of it. We all need to know both sides because the scriptures are absolute Truth and not mixed with man's theology.
@EAB-bz6yi
3 жыл бұрын
I hope you pay real close attention to what these men teach. Do you believe Jesus wasn't God while on earth.....Bill does! Which is blasphemy....the Holy Spirit of Truth is not behind this man! He wrote it in his book: When Heaven meets Earth
@servantcarlosmachado2895
3 жыл бұрын
Girl run like the wind away from this.
@ryanehlis426
2 жыл бұрын
Sister Bethel is a beautiful church, the criticizing needs to stop. It’s a religious spirit. God the Holy Spirit is not welcome everywhere.
@JOSHUAloves1
2 жыл бұрын
You are being sucked back into the lie and the falsehood they're in. This is the Kundalini serpent Spirit doctrines taught by demons apostate church. Make no mistake about it. Their doctrine tells it all. The fruit they're in tells it all do not turn a blonde eye. The Lord Jesus warned about these deceiving men.
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