I think its important to keep in mind that whatever we learn about Lestat later on doesn't and shouldnt invalidate Louis' perspective on their relationship. Personally i think Lestat is very indifferent to the racial component of Louis' struggles AFTER he turns him because in ep 1 he sees turning Louis as a way to free him from all of his problems including the racism because he truly sees vampirism as the solution to all of it...which it isnt. He thinks that Louis just needs to completely detach from his humanity, abandon his family, his businesses, all his human ties and bam problem solved. But Louis is not Lestat. 1)he has just been made so he cant just snap his fingers and stop caring about all the things he cared the most about 2) louis is actively clinging to his humanity through those human ties and Lestat actively urging him to give up isnt really helping (although to be fair to Lestat he still tries to be supportive even when he disagrees). But MOST importantly in this adaptation, Louis is black and his race means that whatever power he gains from being a vampire doesnt change how he is treated by the rest of the world, and Lestat refuses to see it. I do think that if Louis hadnt repressed his vampirism so much by going vegan lol, Lestat might have been a bit more receptive to the rest of his struggle to let go of human affairs but thats just a thought i had
@marirezende8478
15 күн бұрын
I completely agree. I don't think Lestat is racist, he is just ignorant. I mean that's kinda part of his character in general tbh (being ignorant)
@yosrafaiz9857
15 күн бұрын
@@marirezende8478 ouch but also yea ! I would add willfully ignorant at this point in time ! He has his worldview and refuses to let it be challenged
@lstarsabb
15 күн бұрын
Exactly people are rushing to say "aha see Louis is the villain" especially with the big physical fight in Lestat's version, but Louis actions doesn't take what Lestat did off the hook. I love both Lestat and Louis but feel the need to fight for Louis because people don't want to admit they support Lestat because he more popular character because he is the fun vampire.
@yosrafaiz9857
15 күн бұрын
@@lstarsabb i agree ! I enjoy Lestat as a character and i love all these vamps flaws and all but ill always feel extra protective of Louis because of his disadvantage as the more melancholy character. Not to mention some fans love to discredit him based on the whole unreliable narrator angle, somehow conflating unreliable narration driven by treacherous memory - trauma - and lack of information, with malicious lying. Show Louis' perspective is important and valid. And even the cast agrees on that.
@stephenf746
15 күн бұрын
I definitely think we're meant to believe that the family thinks Lestat is otherworldly. Even back in episode 1, Paul name drops the Mayfair Witches. I think the reason Louis wasn't freaked out by Lestat's telepathy is because, as a resident of New Orleans, he probably grew up hearing stories about the unexplainable that lurked in the city.
@bywaternyc7856
15 күн бұрын
_"I've heard black people say that when they go to New Orleans, they feel different."_ Most people who land in New Orleans for any length of time eventually pick up on the city's deeply strange vibe - and in an increasingly homogenized world, I mean that as a compliment! Its peculiar force field seems impervious to time and change. Away from the tourist noise, you can feel it. It's like no other place I've ever been.
@LucentSky
13 күн бұрын
I think vampirism is kind of a metaphor for obtaining power, which was something Louis longed for in his experience of being looked down upon and Lestat used his desire to escape his circumstances in order to lure him/turn him and (in his mind) give him power *he perceives vampirism to be a gift of power) while simultaneously still having the power dynamic of being his maker and Louis being his fledgling/companion. Lestat's relationship to having power is different to Louis because he's experienced having status for a longer period of time, so much so that he's almost detached and in that detachment he views himself as above humans and as being literally a different species. Louis has trouble with this, because he knows what powerlessness feels like.
@sunflowersweeet
15 күн бұрын
Stand on your business with the Lestat using the racist society to his benefit! He may not be racist explicity, but intent and result can be do different things. Same way I don't believe Lestat is intentionally manipulative, but that's definitely how his actions can be interpreted.
@ourcrazystupidpodcast
15 күн бұрын
@@sunflowersweeet 😂 all in good fun though. Hope people don’t take us too seriously LOL
@yosrafaiz9857
15 күн бұрын
Lets just say i wish Lestat had taken a critical race theory class or smth...
@tdali8347
13 күн бұрын
Vampires, being the next evolution of human, are amplified versions of us. Every emotion is ramped up to 11. So when Lestat says loneliness, he means the nightmare sensation of falling down a bottomless pit. When Claudia feels teen angst, it's rage near apocalypse. Louis' learned helplessness renders him almost a cripple when grappling with who he is or what he wants. In short, they're a hot mess and we love them for it!
@angelaholmes8888
15 күн бұрын
Daniel was totally right about claudia being there to fix lestat and Louis relationship everything was fine for awhile until charlie and claudia figuring out that she will be trapped in a childs body for eternity i feel bad for her
@bbbianca8932
15 күн бұрын
Yo Next episode goes crazy! I can't wait for ya'll to watch season 2! I love that you picked up on the competition of better father/vampire mentor between Louis and Lestat. I agree I think Louis' family had an idea but it was an unspoken thing. They lean more into the local supersitions in New Orleans in later episodes. Love the podcast!
@Sam-vd1md
13 күн бұрын
I love that you guys are talking about this show so in depth because it's the kind of story that gets better the more you think about it!! Lestat is definitely willingly complicit in the racism that exists in 1920s America, and I'm glad y'all call him out on that. I think it's interesting to note that Book Louis has a similar attitude towards race--after he's turned he has a moment where he realizes that, like, black people are humans and slavery is bad, but he continues to run his plantation because he's willing to benefit from it. Anne Rice's vampires were almost all white and her treatment of the subject of race in her books is less than ideal. I think she was definitely unaware of her own racial biases as a white woman when she was writing them. It becomes a pattern throughout the Vampire Chronicles canon that white vampires tend to not hold fundamentally racist beliefs because they're detached from it all, but they're still just as complicit in racist society as they were when they were human. Also, your take on Claudia is incredibly true and based. The image of her sticking her arm in the sun is so intentionally evocative of self-harm, because she is ultimately still a teenager who hates her body and is being faced with the existential threat of being trapped in it forever while watching her parents' relationship fall apart--literally the perfect environment for a teenage girl to start self-harming. No amount of vampiric detachment will change that for her. Her relationship with her own sexuality is so obviously messed up by the central conceit of her character, but it's made worse by Louis and Lestat both trying to force their own ideas of sexuality on her. They're both trying to make her the perfect daughter instead of letting her make her own path (and owning up to the fact that they trapped her in her underage body for eternity to save their toxic relationship). Her story is so tragic and I'm excited to see what y'all think of the rest of it!
@queerlybelovdd
15 күн бұрын
yall are delivering some of my favorite iwtv reactions!! i love that yall can call out the bs while still recognizing the gothic themes and character beats carrying the show.
@ashleys_insights
15 күн бұрын
Yes I definitely think Louie’s family was aware he was gay and looked the other way since he supported them. And then I agree, when he started acting different when Lestat came around they attributed it to him getting mixed in demonic type of stuff, especially with them living in New Orleans. I’ve seen both seasons so it’s cool to hear thoughts knowing what’s coming. Love your convos!
@blueviolin88
11 күн бұрын
Amazing video! I'm not spoiling you anything but Lestat definitely turned Claudia for Louis (though he did want to win her over and was proud of her because she was a fierce hunter).
@heavenssentme
15 күн бұрын
i love that u guys dont ignore the obvious racial dynamics in iwtv like 70% of the fandom does 😭
@Social_Pugatory
8 күн бұрын
Yes I had to subscribe immediately because they are pointing out the elephants in the room and diving to a depth no other reviewers I have watched bothered to. Outside of Olayemi Olurin Olurinatti pod.
@minnieminnie-gg5nj
15 күн бұрын
i love how y'all break down these episodes, looking forward to the next one
@HoundsBane
15 күн бұрын
All the things you have said about Lestat is 100 % true. Don’t let these fans gaslight you. Does Lestat have a backstory and trauma? Absolutely , but I say let the story get you there first. It’s centering Louis and Claudia‘s struggles for a reason.
@solargeknowles4354
15 күн бұрын
I’d love to see you guys react then discuss!!!
@niyah7139
15 күн бұрын
I don't think Lestat is racist but I do think he benefits from racism and he does use microaggressions. There was no such thing as microaggressions or sensitivity training during segregation. If you had a privilege would you use it? Lily used her beauty and her mixed race to her advantage and was able to work in white brothels. Louis used his mixed race in order to have a seat at the table. Lestat Revels in his privilege with vampirism the same with his whiteness. Being Unapologetic when it comes to pretty privilege. Realistically if someone has an advantage in life .The world is unfair are you going to tell them not to use that Advantage the least you can do is use your advantage to uplift people. which is what lestat thought was doing with the vampirism 😅
@lstarsabb
15 күн бұрын
Why do you think Lily is mix raced? I don't remember them saying that in the show. Just wondering? But i agree i don't think Lestat is racist he's just one of those people that if it doesn't affect him, he doesn't care and when Louis brings up racism, he just sees it as Louis killing the mood (no pun intended).
@SheDreadzMe
15 күн бұрын
Listen lol 😂 no matter how you cut Lestat …. I don’t care what nobody says about S2. Lestat is Lestat. We see this conversation around Killmonger …. You can be empathetic to him but he still is … who he is. Killmonger is Killmonger, Thanos is Thanos. I think the reason people find it hard to tie Lestat to racism is… b/c Lestat to the core will use any & everything to help himself indiscriminately. If Luis was a straight white man, (as we see in the movie) he still will find whatever is needed to manipulate & suit himself. In the movie he played into Luis’s grief. In the show , like y’all said, it’s not inherent it’s just … “I recognize I can use this thing, for myself” .
@lstarsabb
15 күн бұрын
Right! People seem to forget that Lestat sold Louis on a dream without preparing him for what it means to be a vampire, yes Leatat had his reasons, but for you to be like " they look down on you" acknowledged racism exist and then be annoyed that racism has to be in your relationship because you are with a black man is wild. This is why it's important for us black people to choose carefully when dating outside our race to not only see if they have racist biases, but too see if they are enablers as well.
@SheDreadzMe
15 күн бұрын
@@lstarsabb I actually think I’m on the middle of the pendulum when it comes to Lestat being racist. I think he knows what it is, he uses it, but I think it’s more so not b/c he’s just out right racist , I think he just uses whatever to get whatever he wants. I think there is a genuine love & care for Claudia & Lestat however , he cares about himself more. So he will do anything or use anything to get what he wants indiscriminately. Race, class, knowledge, money, sex any tool he needs he will use
@tdali8347
13 күн бұрын
Lestat and Louis have what my late husband and I used to call, "The South Park Dilemma". On one episode, Stan's dad said "Ni---rs" on Wheel of Fortune (c'mon; is "naggers" even a word??). At school, Token (the only Black kid, har-har) was offended and Stan stood up for his dad, saying if Black people can say the n-word, why can't everybody else? Token pretty much explained, "Because you can't! That's why. And you won't understand it because you CAN'T." That freakin' cartoon cooled some flare-ups in our marriage. No matter how much he wanted to, my white husband didn't "get" how offensive the "damn dailies" were dealing with slights like: With a table full of Black folks, waiters always handed him the check. Or why his getting evil and scaring the shit out of a white barber who refused to cut our son's hair wasn't the cure for that man's -- or society's -- race problems...though it was pretty cool. Husband didn't get it because he couldn't. Like Lestat could never even half-understand Louis' lived Black American experience even if it was explained in detail. France simply does not have the history of African chattel slavery that America does. Lestat knows about this; he's lived long enough. It's just that "vampire" is the race he and Louis are; all else is trivial human shit to him. What it boils down to is that Lestat looked at Louis and saw, "Handsome Vampire Companion" just like my husband's peripheral vision to outside forces was clouded by seeing me as "Lovely Beloved Wife". Be merciful.
@AnxietyRat
8 күн бұрын
Kind of off topic but nagger technically COULD actually be a word... It would be a person who nags frequently, I would assume... So like it's not a super common word but if someone was talking within the context of someone nagging another person a lot...it could be a word that makes sense in english. 🤷♀️ I don't watch South Park though so I DO NOT know the context in which the word was actually being used ... But from what I know about South park probably.. not that context! Lmao
@linseysiu3086
15 күн бұрын
ugh, there is so much I want to say because I've watched both seasons. In my opinion, he is so damn vain, that it gets in the way of taking anyone's feelings into consideration. He is willing to do whatever it takes to keep Louis with Him. Yes Because loves him but ultimately He needs him regardless of the cost. And if he can manipulate a situation he doesn't care who suffers as long as Louis is with him. But He misjudged what Lois and Claudia have to go through as black Americans in the United States and then have to transition into, in such a short amount of time. And as newly turned vampires they aren't just going to go with the flow. He's Not racist against Blacks per se, But against humanity as a whole. He doesn't Understand them because to him they are just food. For Lestat, it's like trying to relate to the issues of cattle, he is above them. And he doesn't understand why Louis can't Stop playing with his Food.
@regsroom2
13 күн бұрын
I love this so much!!
@meri5173
15 күн бұрын
5:23 great, great points… 7:55 I think he brought here there because she turned 18. Maybe he didn’t want her to find out by herself. But yeah, a little more guidance would be useful. 11:28 Louis is concerned about her eating humans, he just doesn’t say anything. I think he sees a lot of Lestat in her even if Claudia will deny it all costs. 15:23 vampirism not only doesn’t change your emotions but magnifies them. now imagine magnifying emotions of a teenager…
@bluboy4ver2
14 күн бұрын
I agree that Lestat definitely benefits from racism and can use it to his advantage but I think what everybody is getting at is that there is a clear racist element that happens with other vampires in season 2 that contrast what you’re seeing with Lestat. Episode 5 is about to really send y’all over the edge with Lestat but there’s even context missing from that situation that doesn’t make it so black and white. It doesn’t justify Lestat or Louis actions but having context does make you understand what you’re seeing better.
@StudentWonders
6 күн бұрын
Did Lester eat a jelly Roll or did they let him leave like he wanted to?
@nicholasassaf8441
13 күн бұрын
I think fans have a hard time understanding what an unreliable narrator means, because if something is retold in a different way, they immediately switch up on characters far too quickly. Without giving spoilers, just remember, unreliable does not equate to outright lying, and new perspectives do not absolve characters of their wrong doings
@donny1960
8 күн бұрын
The real problem is that Anne Rice herself switched gears from book one to book two. She saw how the readers reacted to Lestat and rewrote a lot of his "character" for later books. She was tuned into her readers. And said herself that she fell in love with Lestat. So, none of this is really Louis fault. Anne changed the trajectory of the characters. Hoping most of us would just go along. And thankfully we did. She made one of the best decisions in Literary History.
@meri5173
15 күн бұрын
Buckle up for the next episode 🫥
@ourcrazystupidpodcast
15 күн бұрын
@@meri5173 😳
@ac85450
13 күн бұрын
Binged all u guys' analyses!! So excited for more. I love how y'all discuss everything w such nuance and eloquence. I agree w the other commenters, y'all ain't wrong about Lestat using Louis' situation to his advantage multiple times. And his narcissistic abuser tendencies definitely hit different since he's this white patriarchal figure in Louis and Claudia's lives, and I think the showrunners meant for us to pick up on that. It's a good thing that Jacob Anderson and Sam Reid are besties IRL bc i can imagine even performing these roles w someone u don't absolutely trust isn't actually like this could be a whole other level of stressful and traumatic. AND YES I agree w the analysis of "it's New Orleans, weird shit be happening," lol. Like I didn't think Louis not taking it seriously or being super freaked out was that unreasonable bc he's probably seen some aunties doing hella weird shit and learned to move on along lolol. My family are from New Orleans and the combination of Catholicism w old Haitian and Cuban spirituality is something so mixed in wtih the culture. My aunt thinks the reason our family all live to be so old is bc her grandmother always left a candle burning all hours of the day in her prayer altar-- she had a real quiet mixture of superstition and belief but it wasn't the common accepted version of Catholicism for sure. super interesting to think about.
@angelaholmes8888
15 күн бұрын
Are you planning on watching the mayfair witches series it's set in the same universe as interview with the vampire 🤔🧙♀️
@liynne
15 күн бұрын
not worth it, not a good show
@insomniaddict6510
15 күн бұрын
Not Lestat the abolitionist 🤣🤣
@Pooobaihr23
15 күн бұрын
Im trying to understand where Lestat is using anything racial? Like.... Where? Are we talking about him wanting to go to the Opera and having Louis go with him? Sounds like a date to me. Unfortunately, during that era, Louis wouldnt have been able to go to that place by himself, he had to pretend to work for him. Was Lestat supposed to not enjoy the things he wanted to enjoy because Louis couldnt fairly participate??? He was always tagging around with Louis to do the things Louis wanted to do. Lestat didnt care about that club or the businesses Louis had, but he was involved because it was something Louis wanted. Unfortunately, Lestat is into the arts and loves theater (book accurate) and unfortunately, America didnt allow blacks to do much.
@purple-kp6mk
15 күн бұрын
There’s a big, fat and glaring racial theme in episode 3? Lestat sees Louis is angry about being mistreated due to his race and lets him kill that guy and hang his corpse on the gate? A parallel of what Louis said was done to black slaves in the past. Louis suggests Lestat saw that Louis was going to do something like that and let him because it would make him more of a murdering vampire. Lestat doesn’t deny it. Lestat let him do that despite the consequences that might befall a lot of people. How is that not taking advantage of Louis’ race? Don’t get me wrong, Lestat loves Louis and doesn’t care about human affairs, including race but he will use racial tensions to his advantage when it suits him, not out of any desire to instill white supremacist ideas but for individual gain. He’s an abuser. I love Lestat too. He’s a great villain and I actually find his obsession with Louis funny but he exhibits a lot of abusive behaviour nonetheless.
@Pooobaihr23
15 күн бұрын
@@purple-kp6mk You said it yourself. Lestat doesnt care about humans nor what goes on with them. What reason does Lestat have to stop Louis? Lestat doesnt gain anything from stopping Louis nor does he gain anything by allowing him to do it (as we saw. Louis was still mad and left ). So how is he benefiting? Lestat's only concern is Louis accepting his vampirism. Louis's race had nothing to do with Lestat's decision to not stop him.
@1993sparkmedia
15 күн бұрын
The example you chose is weird to me bc to you Lestat’s enjoyment of an opera outweighs Louis feeling demeaned and treated like a second class citizen in the place. Mind you, they have been to an opera before in 1x01 where they sat together in the floor seats and watched with no issue so yes Black people could go to the opera…just not the French Opera House. Before you can understand race in the show, you have to understand how racism works and a prime example is you acting like Lestat didn’t have any other choice like going to a different opera house, enjoying different seats, or going alone to prevent Louis from feeling inferior.
@Pooobaihr23
15 күн бұрын
@@1993sparkmedia Where did I say black people couldnt go to the Opera? And I said to THAT place, meaning Im specifically talking about this Opera house. Being that I myself am a 40yr old black woman myself, I know full well how racism works.... I also know when sometimes a person can be reaching due to the fact that there is so much racism going on that this must also be it... When its just a misunderstanding.
@purple-kp6mk
15 күн бұрын
@Pooobaihr23 You’re not getting it. Lestat did have something to gain. It was explained in the episode. Lestat wants Louis to be a murdering vampire fully. That’s why he congratulates Louis on killing that racist man, not caring that Louis has just unleashed chaos on his own people. He let the situation play out, taking advantage of how Louis was suffering racist maltreatment, so he could have a better vampire romance with Louis.
@donny1960
8 күн бұрын
All of this is not in the original book. Both characters were white. So, this is a subplot that really is not part of the core story of Lestat and Louis. Yes. Lestat is an opportunist. But again, the casting added this subplot. Not the original story. It would just as easily be said that Lestat was anti-clerical. Or anti-authoritarian. Lestat made it clear that the "affairs" of humans was beneath the Vampire. It was a good way to get the point across of how Anne Rice wanted us to perceive Lestat in the first book. We can focus on this aspect of the show. I think that is what the show runners wanted. It is controversial. Brings in more media hype. But the real story Anne was telling about these two has nothing to do with their race, or nationality, or any other differences they might have. It is about what they share.
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