I agree completely with your comment about bike-crash videos. People ride 20 or 30 miles an hour faster than the limit, then blame the car that pulled into their lane for the crash. I remember (and like) a comment from one youtuber years ago who said, "I knew I was becoming a better rider because I had fewer and fewer close calls."
@Crossers76
Жыл бұрын
Spot on. Just come back from spain and hired a car for a week. It was a brand new one. Coming up a slip road and the lane assit tried to take over keeping me on the slip instead of merging onto the main carriage way. Was very unnerving as i wasn't expecting it. Turned the bugger off after having to go through the whole menu and no simple physical button that would be easy to get to. When I started the car again the bloody thing reactivates automatically which means you have to go through the process again to turn it off!! I'm working on the assumption that the authorities are trying to slowy condition us into self driving vehicles. Much prefer riding both Honda's. One is that old its has drum brakes😊
@soggybawsmoto
11 ай бұрын
I think folk have become too reliant on tech, Sat navs for example. I’ve used phones and sat navs for touring, but I came across someone recently who ran out of fuel because the sat nav told him to use a petrol station which wasn’t open! Happy to use the tech, but not rely on it as it will fail when you need it most. I still write out the towns I expect to hit, and keep it on tankbag to make sure I remain on track.
@speedfinder1
Жыл бұрын
THE problem with all (Rider/driver aid) technology with forms of transport, is that it makes it accessible to "everyone" rather than those who have the sense to use it carefully.
@victorstossel
Жыл бұрын
I completely agree with you. Standard ABS is a fair safety feature but adaptive cruise control makes no sense in my opinion.
@rrwholloway
Жыл бұрын
I’m after a 2007 CBR600F just so it doesn’t come with all the modern gizmos but is recent enough to not be a pain to keep running.
@49googie
Жыл бұрын
Totally concur , though I have used ABS (my fault) once but then once is enough to save your bacon. Tried to buy my latest R1250gs without the crap adjustable suspension and you can't do it, all I wanted was heated grips and seats and I would buy Ohlin's, can't do !!!. It's there also so you/us can't work on it .
@PAGallagher
Жыл бұрын
I'm old school so, with you all the way on this issue! In 2000, I was a 'born again biker' and started riding on a V-Max 1200 with V Boost closely followed by a Hayabusa and then, in 2008, a ZZR1400 (198 bhp at the crank) None of these bikes had rider modes, traction control or any of that junk although, the ZZR had just brought in ABS. I'm still here (at the moment) with all limbs present and correct and, in 23 years, have never found the need or desire for an electronic brain to take over from me. One of my current bikes (XSR 900) has traction control and it gets switched off before every ride. I've just bought a RE Hunter 350, simplicity personified, I love it! I liked your Mash (650) for the same reason ....... brilliant machine!! Another pet hate, of mine, is TFT screens and, in fact, any unnecessary distractions up front ...... I like to keep focused on the road, bit old fashioned, I know. Good video, all the best Phil
@johnsumser9743
Жыл бұрын
My pet hate is stereo systems on motorcycles. Get a car or one of those three-wheeled monstrosities.
@mikehart8118
Жыл бұрын
A metal spike in the middle of my steering wheel it is then Haha, might DIY this tomorrow :)
@pdriwsteve
Жыл бұрын
I think cruise control is a nice feature, being able to flex my right hand to get rid of any numbness is great .... but, adaptive cruise I think is a step too far and would scare me. A mate of mine has a newish VW T6 van that has auto braking and lane sensors which also scare me 😁 , it`s like it`s taking the skill from the driver.
@user-lg1jz2hp7p
Жыл бұрын
100% agree !!!! - very well put ;)
@Umaguma1964
Жыл бұрын
Sure the incident with Marquez wes with Pedrosa not Lorenzo?
@stranobikes
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching, I wasn't sure but whoever it was the relevance remains.
@Banditmanuk
Жыл бұрын
Think there is a direct coalition between dislike of bike tech and the age of the rider. Personally I think much of the tech is amazing. The suspension adjustability, blind spot detection, quick shifters and blippers, traction control....... But, I don't like what all the electronic wizardry does for reliability. Hear so many stories of bikes going into limp mode because one of these systems is out of adjustment. I don't like what they've done to new bike prices and worst of all fixing these super complex beasts out of manufacturers warranty can be an expensive nightmare. I'm hanging onto my 7 year old MT10, ABS & basic traction control, nothing much else. It still can scare me but isn't that part of the appeal of a fast bike? BTW I absolutely hate keyless systems on bikes (I'm 59 😂)
@AntaresSQ01
Жыл бұрын
The limp modes are overstated, majority of bikes with such an arsenal of electronics available never go wrong and if they do they're minor temporary issues, I've not yet had any bike ever go into limp mode, including KTMs, BMWs and Triumphs even if the occasional error popped up (which they very rarely do). Prices are also nothing extraordinary, a bog standard ZX10R in 2005 was $11000, today that same bike is $17300 after you adjust for inflation of almost 20 years you'll come to find the 2005 price is very very similar at $17200. Yet today you get soooooooo much more for your money.
@AntaresSQ01
Жыл бұрын
@@Banditmanuk Your problem is buying a ducati 🤣🤣 I've had nearly 50k miles on my S1000XR, not a single time has anything electric gone wrong apart from the exhaust servo that I left unplugged after putting a decat on. My 2020 1290 SDGT has 15k miles on it now and has yet to give me ANY problems aside from a phantom "General Failure" message when the battery has been sitting for a bit. And yes it's keyless... People like to moan but 90% of the time it's lack of taking care, lack of understanding or just an unlucky friday afternoon bike. For every KTM which visited the dealers 10 times in 2000 miles there is at least a dozen with 50k miles and no noteworthy issues.
@user-cm7gd6ie9i
Жыл бұрын
Totally agree with all your comments. Technology breeds complacency. Surely you have to agree with all the muppets now driving cars
@vicentiuapetrei
Жыл бұрын
It was Danny Pedrosa his team mate who was the one which got hit
@DavidRHill23
11 ай бұрын
Correct
@grantridout1884
Жыл бұрын
Interesting points you raise and I agree when you say that once you need the technology "you've already lost it". One of the comments on here mentions TFT screens and I for one nearly killed myself scrolling through menus whilst on the move, thanks for the vides looking forward to some more
@thepeakybiker
Жыл бұрын
Messaged on here a few times never had a response
@stranobikes
Жыл бұрын
Sorry if I've missed your message, mate. I'm often at the biker café at Quatt and I'd be happy to buy you a brew and chat if you're around that way.
@AntaresSQ01
Жыл бұрын
I have to disagree with the vast majority of this video, and no disrespect meant but I think you've completely missed the mark on why we have the electronics. They're not going to fix a rider's judgement, you may get someone grabbing the brakes and not crashing because of ABS but they're primarily designed to deal with the unexpected, and by the nature of the unexpected, noone is above them. From this, cornering ABS is also not about "you already having lost it", it does a lot more than that, namely STOP the bike from standing up, which is not something riders are trained to do, and is an extremely high level skill, cornering ABS will allow you to continue your trajectory around a bend whilst slowing down without standing the bike upright and launching you into a hedge. Re your MotoGP example: This is also looking at it the wrong way. Back before the era of electronics bikes were MADE easy to ride, because an easy to ride bike is easy to be quick on. By comparison today's bikes have so much more performance that they incorporate electronics as a way to make them easy to ride. This is nothing different to losing a steering damper, are you implying that having a steering damper is an unnecessary aid and takes away from rider skill? Electronics both in racing and on road bikes allow the riders to FIND the limits and therefore be more in tune with their bikes and better understand their capabilities, noone relies on electronics 100% in the way that they turn TC all the way up and then hammer the throttle to the stop on an R1 out of every single bend rain or snow. 99% of the people encounter electronics as a gentle reminder via a flash of the TC that the limit is there. Being able to know this limit is way more important than some arbitrary measurement of one's ball's by not using electronics. Yes they can be abused by unskilled riders, but these people will meet their fate sooner rather than later regardless of the aids available on a bike, however majority of riders use them to gain confidence on their bikes and use them as a "tool" not as a "crutch". Electronics are no different to the myriad of mechanical aids we have received over the years. Why would having better tyres to avoid sliding out be any different to using TC to achieve the same thing? I think it's extremely hypocritical to think that electronics are an evil, yet wide handlebars, adjustable levers, better suspension and tyres, more user friendly ergonomics aren't. 8:57 That is entirely rider induced error, the bike in question is a 1290 SAS or SAR and they HAVE an option for adaptive cruise control acceleration after it detects a clear road, in comfort it'll get back to speed gently, in sport, it will do it briskly. Should've been set to comfort if he is not ready for it. At the end of the day riding is dangerous with or without electronics, electronics protect you from the inevitable unexpected situation, and provide a safe platform to explore your limits otherwise. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. If you want to feel the thrill almost all bikes allow you to turn them off, but as someone that rides basically daily, there are times when you're not in that mood and would rather just potter around in Rain mode, not because I can't ride the bike without aids, but because I have the option to use a tool available to me...
@stranobikes
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching. It's always good to read peoples views on things so I appreciate your comments. I hope you've subscribed to ensure you don't miss any other topics on which we may disagree :)
@rosspeacock1067
11 ай бұрын
Hi Antares. Some of your views on modern electronics was interesting, but in my opinion flawed in places. I agree that motorcycling is all about rider's judgement,and that is extremely satisfying and is something that can be gained only by experience and advanced training in some cases. I disagree that ABS is fitted to deal with the unexpected I would say that if ABS has cut in then you,the rider have cocked up by not reading the road condition,traffic , weather etc that has caused the "unexpected". If the ABS has cut in due to rider inexperience and excessive use of the brakes in any situation then it has done it's job what it was designed for in avoiding an accident. With cornering ABS if this is activated you most definately have cocked up again by using excessive speed on entry and/or not taking notice of traffic/road/weather conditions no amount of electronic intervention will save you going to fast into a bend if the local farmer has covered the road in mud or worse! You will be in the sliding down the road in a cascade of sparks waiting for the impact on your body! There is no substitute for reading the road and being able to stop safely within the distance you can see given road and traffic conditions. If you want to experiment with cornering ABS then leave it for a trackday. I did chuckle that pre electronics era bikes were "made easy to ride" on the track. Try telling that to Kenny Roberts on the evil TZ750 he rode on the flat tracks or the late Barry Sheene on the Suzuki with a 1100 rpm power band, very little below or above that extremely small power window, all with no ABS or traction control of any description except the skill of the rider! All that with skinny tyres and vastly inferior brakes compared to todays machines! Easy to ride? I don't think so! As regards TC being an aid for "riders to find the limits to be in tune with their bike" If a rider does not know how and when to use appropriate acceleration in different conditions without waiting for a TC light to come on then should that person be riding a motorcycle? I do not think it is hypocritical, as you state, to think that advances in tyres,suspension and braking over the years has brought to us a much safer and enjoyable pastime.My gripe is the excessive electronic intervention combined with a myriad of options now available through the handlebar switchgear and displayed on a tft dash. On most modern bikes now there are multiple options of rotating handlebar bezels/right/left/up/down/press in combinations to get to your preferred "rider mode" or desired option. All the time these are being used on the move the riders attention, and crucially their eyes are drawn away from the business of riding! Do not forget that at a mere 30 mph you will be trvelling at some 44 feet per second, that's longer than some articulated trailers in a one second glance at handlebar controls or eye search for info light on dash, I've followed riders looking away from the road for 4 to 5 seconds while they fumble through options and settings .Technology gone mad! At our local bike meet one of the regulars turned up with his new aquisition, an MT10 Yamaha he had previously had an MT 07 he was happy with but he had "upgraded" and one of the reasons he cited was that it had "anti wheelie". When questioned how many times he had the front wheel off the ground in his motorcycling life he said "never". Says it all to me. Safe riding to you.
@AntaresSQ01
11 ай бұрын
@@rosspeacock1067 Hey, thanks for you response, I suppose I wrote my comment in a bit of haste. So I'll try my best to fully explain my thought process on some of the points. Re ABS: There is a grey area there, ABS activation does not necessarily mean you've messed up. You can slide the rear wheel without crashing for quite a while, and a small lockup of the front doesn't necessarily mean you're eating dirt. As for cornering ABS, the purpose at the end of the day is still to deal with the unexpected, you can argue as much as you want that you should never get into an unexpected situation but that realistically never happens. I agree that the type of rider that barrels around a muddy bend at 70mph won't be saved by ABS but the people that are careful but got caught out a little bit, it's these people electronics are extremely useful for. Cornering ABS also has the major benefit which I suppose you can call "activation" but it's more of a tendency and that's if you brake mid corner, the bike will slow down very effectively without standing up and throwing you off course. There is no rider skill in basic physics, if you need to stop FAST in a turn, with standard or no ABS you NEED to straighten the bike and you WILL go straight off the road, with cornering ABS you can avoid that complication, useful for anyone. Re track bikes: I think using a 750 2 stroke flat tracker is not an apples to apples comparison, that bike is more of a kiwi. Old bikes were shit, the ones designed for road racing were peaky, that's the nature of 2 strokes. But looking at early 2000s or even 90s inline 4s when electronics weren't widespread they are all engineered to be manageable, even today categories like Supertwins a confidence inspiring chassis and handling are king to taming the bikes. You turn off electronics on a modern motoGP bike or WSBK bike, they are unrideable, becasue they've been engineered that it's not the suspension and chassis geometry keeping the bike in check, but the electronics. A WSBK bike can get away with a slightly shorter swingarm for sharper handling because you have anti wheelie, a series where the bike doesn't have anti wheelie will need a longer swingarm to maximise straight line acceleration at the expense of cornering. Re excessive electronics: Some bikes do their menus shit, on my S1000XR changing modes was a 1 button affair without looking down, turning of TC is holding 1 button for 1 second, turning of ABS was holding the same button but for 3 sec, nothing hard. Many of the bikes don't allow you to fiddle with the fine details in their modes when the bike is on the move, the argument that the rider has to take their eyes of the road is hardly any different to running a GPS/map unit and once again comes down to the same thing as the 1st comment that riders need to judge where and when they can do it. I'm not gonna try to adjust my TC in the middle of a bumpy, high speed bend with potential tractors coming down the road. At the end of the day as you said, in some situations no amount of electronics will save you, but electronics will help you find the limits, which you can do without them but the risk is highly elevated, something as simple as "how hard can i press the rear brake before it locks up, would you prefer to do it by actually locking it up or having ABS intervene? if you get familiar with the amount you can then turn ABS off and that skill remains, ABS is not an "on/off" protection, it can activate small amounts, if you can brake everytime that you only feel the abs "click" once or twice softly, then doing the same technique with ABS off will result in perfect braking, but now you acquired that skill at 0 risk to yourself. Anti wheelie is another example to this, say you're on a track and want to see how much throttle you can use going over a bump without the front wheel leaving the ground, anti wheelies still let the front wheel come up most of the time but they slow down how fast it comes up and how high it can come, it's an ideal tool for learning to float the front end of the bike off of bumps and humps, and turning it off wont suddenly make you flip over backwards, but has taught you yet another skill at little to no risk.
@user-sy4gy6cz7z
Жыл бұрын
Bikes a way to heavy now. ABS is fine all these other things are just an excuse to for manufacture's to get more money out of you.
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