Its simple. Your freedom (also of speech) ends where other's freedom's begin. THIS IS A GOOD THING!
@herrrorschach590
Ай бұрын
it's the difference between "freedom of speech" and "right of expression"
@bohomazdesign725
Ай бұрын
@@herrrorschach590 not really. What Musk advocates for is what he calls "absolute freedom of speech" which is essentially anarchy.
@utha2665
Ай бұрын
Exactly, USA's "freedom of speech" or their first amendment rights go too far. I absolutely refuse to agree that you can bad mouth and lie about anyone you like with no recourse. Absolute lies should be called out and should be removed or forced to apologize to the recipient. In the case of X or Twitter (what is Musk's fascination with that letter?) I'd be real happy if the whole platform were banned outside the US, it's turned into a far right hate tool since Musk took over.
@tolstoyed
Ай бұрын
@@bohomazdesign725 wasn’t he deleting some comments on twitter that were about his personal stuff?
@DuBaas007
Ай бұрын
@@tolstoyed Yep, and plenty of people get banned that say shit that he doesn't like or agree with.
@kaess307
Ай бұрын
In the EU you have the freedom to say whatever you want, as long as you don't violate other people's personal rights and dignity.
@dieterdodel835
Ай бұрын
Thats not freedom of speech!
@EINSAnti
Ай бұрын
@@dieterdodel835How is it not?
@kaess307
Ай бұрын
@@dieterdodel835 Insulting and lying is not freedom of speech!!!
@raghvendrapratapsingh2585
Ай бұрын
@@kaess307 Insulting and "Lying" both are freedom of Speech. If you think the other person is lying publicly about you, go to court.
@Ikkeligeglad
Ай бұрын
@@raghvendrapratapsingh2585 And that we can do here in Europe just as everywhere in the west, what is your point?
@UKLogic22
Ай бұрын
Everyone who thinks the EU have no Freedom of Speech/Expression should try German satire, for example. That tells a lot.
@Winnywutz
Ай бұрын
Why did the US beep every 'fuck" on tv or in the radio if there is freedom of speech?
@balaytonah9629
Ай бұрын
They can say it, but they want advertising dollars.
@winterlinde5395
Ай бұрын
Elon himself has complained to the German chancellor ( comparable to prime minister) about what a German comedian wrote against Trump on twitter🤔
@desj2584
Ай бұрын
Listened intently until you said "There's a lot of Trump lovers in the UK" I can assure you there is no such lot in the UK On the whole most people I come into contact with can hardly contain their laughter when he speaks He really is more of a laughing stock who sadly can be put in a serious job that may impact on our laughter
@TheSwankyonline
Ай бұрын
I agree, I have never come across a Trump supporter int he UK/FR or in the wider EU, sure they exist but they are a minority and most of us find Trump abhorrent.
@UltraCasualPenguin
Ай бұрын
There is a lot of Trump supporters in european countries. They might not be majority but they're very loud. If news article even mentions Trump they jump on fence and start shouting their "Trump 2024" nonsense. Especially if it's something negative about Trump. Then they become like pack of hyenas. Interestingly these same people are ones that say Putin and Russia should be allowed to do whatever they want to do to other countries.
@hughtube5154
Ай бұрын
Well, Farage is trying to join the cult of Donald, and he has a lot of followers, especially in Clacton. If you did a Venn diagram, do you seriously think there's no overlap between the nationalist messages of Tommy Robinson and DT, and that Brits who agree with one won't like the other's? That number isn't a majority, or even a significant percentage, but as a raw number it is a lot.
@sifi699
Ай бұрын
My mom knows one personally, and the woman is a member of nobility. Very Christian and also on the 5G conspiracy and autism antivax bandwagon. She was liberal in her youth and is now conservative.
@dzzope
Ай бұрын
Jesus how ignorant are you? "no such lot in the UK" And who exactly was rioting the other week? Just because something isn't popular in your circles doesn't mean there aren't a lot of people who think that way. Go look in video's like blackbelt barrister and you will see SOOO many that think trump/musk anti immigration are all normal and positive things for society. I know people who think that way.. It's disturbing but reality is never 1 answer fits all. It's like saying that during WWII "we were all in it together" or "everyone kept calm and carried on" Thats propoganda, reality is never so clean cut and if you look for these things you WILL find them most places that there are people.. It's like when people claim "There are NO Nazi's in Ukraine".. Really, because last I knew, Nazi-ism was an ideology and there is no way for you to know what goes on in everyones heads.. I personally saw far right groups in Kyiv with certain ruinic symbols before mydan in 2012. They are V much the minority and on the fringes but they are there, they are everywhere, every country, every people. They are the minority (mostly, hopefully) but they exist everywhere
@matshjalmarsson3008
Ай бұрын
Many things are "regulated" by the social norms, like if a news anchor says the N-word, s/he may not be in the same position the next day. Or is "regulated" by private companies such as KZitem, where if you say "killed" you may get demonitized. What I've always found interesting is that swearing is such a taboo in USA. Here in Sweden nobody would care one bit if a reporter or whatever said "skit" (shit)
@chrispilkington8662
Ай бұрын
Trust me, Trump is NOT popular in the UK, people who think that way are correctly treated as a laughing stock
@nathanfreeman5715
Ай бұрын
Think in what way
@chrispilkington8662
Ай бұрын
@@nathanfreeman5715 think Trump is anything but a: dementia riddled racist with a history of failed businesses, rape and tax fraud
@atmosphere60
Ай бұрын
True, he's widely seen as something of a joke here in the UK. A complete cringe-fest.
@Raven44453
Ай бұрын
Wrong
@micade2518
Ай бұрын
PS: I also find it preposterous that E. Musk should mingle in the country's politics. On what grounds, on what credentials? He's an industrialist, a businessman, not a politician!
@desktopdesign7196
Ай бұрын
on the grounds that he is a charlatan who says what he thinks people want to hear, he fits right in.
@verynice5574
Ай бұрын
Well the UK politicians have clearly done a remarkable job so far.
@Fetguf
Ай бұрын
you forgot migrant
@micade2518
Ай бұрын
@@desktopdesign7196 American politics are such a bad joke!
@djs98blue
Ай бұрын
the riots have faded off here now. We had one day with massive and peaceful counter protests and most of the worst rioters have been arrested and charged. Most people here are warm, friendly, kind and reasonable - obviously YT commenters are often not!
@matthiasklopke161
Ай бұрын
I don't feel that we in the EU have a problem with the expression of criticism or ideas. However, there are significantly more restrictions on freedom of speech than in the US. I welcome this. All rights, including the right to freedom of speech, must be balanced with other rights. This protects the rights of others.
@gillfox9899
Ай бұрын
Totally agree. I think that it helps us to make informed comments rather than rash remarks which may be unbearable for others. I'm more than happy to continue to live in Europe. It's like the comments about the recent riots in England (mainly). It happens but there is no overall anarchy and things quieten down relatively quickly when more rational people air their views
@Arms2
Ай бұрын
The problem with that is who determines what speech is valid? What could be a benign comment to one person might be the most insulting thing ever to another. Its a slippery slope when you start telling people that how they feel about a statement has an effect on whether or not another person has to go to prison.
@senker1544
Ай бұрын
@@Arms2 It´s the first article of our constitution "Human dignity shall be inviolable." Our Grandparents, our parents and we grew up with this ideals. It´s easy for us to stay rational and to respect the freedom of other individuals. No one "tells" us that. In extreme cases, the court makes the decision.
@j.b.2263
27 күн бұрын
@@senker1544 Guess your not a McCarthy then.
@Steelmage99
Ай бұрын
Lol. You want to know if the EU has freedom of speech....and you watch a video with Elon Musk and Donald Trump, of all people?!?! Why?
@bobbyshaftowenttosea5410
Ай бұрын
Good to see we're back to normal comments again. No more angry people flitting here after being recommended by the youtube politics algorithm
@dannydejongh9408
Ай бұрын
In the netherlands Trump is seen being the best comedian in the USA. Watching him is like watching Liar, Liar part 2. We can’t understand that if all media in the world is showing that he lies so much….50% of you in the USA think he never lied.
@faketheo3432
Ай бұрын
It is also important to note that while protecting someone's reputation is generally valued higher in Europe, courts can still rule that certain damaging statements are legal if they are factually justified. For example, a court in Germany ruled that it is factually accurate to call the far-right politician Björn Höcke a Nazi.
@djs98blue
Ай бұрын
I think it was Isiah Berlin who talked about the difference between freedom to (eg own guns, eat what you want, say what you want etc) and freedom from (eg from poverty, discrimination, poor health etc). American politics tends to focus more on free to and European on freedom from.
@Ikkeligeglad
Ай бұрын
Isaiah Berlin
@SDMagicBuzz
Ай бұрын
13:50 "there are a lot of Trump lovers in UK". After Brexit, I would say "you're right, there are a lot of idiots in UK".
@michaelhamon886
Ай бұрын
great!! good choice of video : accurate & simple. Just a little explanation on the E.U Letter to Musk : it was to remind Musk and X of their duty, as media, to enforce the laws on spreading misinformation. For example, RT, a Russian news TV channel broadcast internationally, first had to pay large fines, then was simply closed so that it could no longer spread Russian propaganda.
@peacefulminimalist2028
Ай бұрын
Trump is not popular anywhere in the world, we think he's a nutcase.
@microspect
Ай бұрын
Cope
@peacefulminimalist2028
Ай бұрын
@@microspect everyone has, but now ir’s time for him to go - he’s old and sad
@CarlosGarcia-ze1mk
Ай бұрын
I don't think it's a black and white situation. More in a grey area, most leftist american has demonised him and in your eyes he will never do nothing right. Distance gives perspective, and he has done good things and bad things like all presidents.
@seriousjan5655
19 күн бұрын
Speak for yourself ....
@peacefulminimalist2028
19 күн бұрын
@@seriousjan5655 no
@palupalu5647
Ай бұрын
I must say at the outset that, personally, I find Lynda's voice extremely sexy for an American, as well as intelligible for a non-English speaker. In substance, the difference is between what we can call "freedom of expression" and "the right of expression". My opinion is that in the USA, freedom of expression is mainly for the richest people, who can tell lies in all the media, while the poor will only be able to tell the truth with more limited means. . That said, in Europe, as in the USA, there are what we call "gag" trials, namely a big company, with its money, brings serial lawsuits against people who accuse them of dishonesty, in a manner to suffocate them financially to pay for their legal defenses and thus to stifle their voices. In conclusion, it is money that dictates what must be heard, overriding the balance of laws and justice about expression. In USA and in Europe.
@lazios
Ай бұрын
Reading the comments, I don't understand what is on your mind, I hope it's my bad English that prevents me from understanding. For you (Americans?) freedom of speech means the freedom to say anything? So also the freedom to insult someone because of the color of his skin, the religion the person believes in, or anything else about him? The point is simple: in Europe OWN freedom ENDS where the freedom of OTHERS PEOPLE begins, this means to live in a civil society.
@christopheb.6121
Ай бұрын
Incredible! Censorship on disinformation!? 😂 Poor Musk...
@seriousjan5655
19 күн бұрын
Of course, anything your faviourite politician don't like is disinformation and has to be censored, like in China or Russia or North Korea ...
@anoukanouk5595
Ай бұрын
I have lived both in the US and in Europe and it seems to me, that in the US the "I" is more important, in Europe the "We". MY freedom of speach is most important and other's feelings about what was said is of no concern.MY right over everything and everyone else.
@TheSehkyt
Ай бұрын
Its all about context. For example in Europe you will be less likely called Nazi/Commie because this is still kinda fresh history. Those words have a lot of meanings when you have things like Auschwitz camp close enough to visit and learn about true meanings of it. So even if there is no law to ban radical words its common knowledge to respect it.
@chucklesb86
Ай бұрын
as long as it is applied to everyone fairly, sounds good
@seriousjan5655
19 күн бұрын
No, with DSA the EU has not freedom of speech anymore.
@psm767
Ай бұрын
from Romania, i love you !
@jbird4478
Ай бұрын
I realize this is confusing as hell, but neither the European Convention on Human Rights nor the European Court of Human Rights belong to the EU. The Convention is a treaty, not a law or constitution, and the Court is an international court that rules over cases between the signatory countries and individuals. Unlike the EU, almost all of the continent is a member of this Court, with Belarus and since recently Russia as the only exceptions. Belarus has always been kept out due to its unwillingness to give up the death penalty. It is not at all comparable to the US constitution. It is more like the UN Declaration of Human Rights, but with an actual court to hold countries accountable. It is therefor by design a bare minimum of rights granted.
@danielmcbriel1192
Ай бұрын
The German right-wingers also often say: "We have no freedom of speech. We have no democracy." Socrates expressed his opinion and was executed for it. That was the Athenian democracy.
@Pterodactylus548
Ай бұрын
The "15 minutes of fame" is much easier to accieve in US than in many other countries. Write and publish some BS, that interests enough people to put one in the local news spotlight... And that's the Big Pay Day for that dude, dudette, llama!
@Robertlojo23
Ай бұрын
Musk prides himself as a champion of open expression, loudly declaring that he’s a free speech absolutist. He cited the need to preserve such rights in the “digital town square” as a reason for buying Twitter. To that end, he reinstated a number of accounts previously suspended for hate speech or misinformation, and hyped up reporting on the “Twitter Files,” which were supposed to reveal the extent to which the site’s previous operators were engaged in left-wing censorship. (In fact, Twitter also fielded many requests from Republicans who wanted certain posts removed.) In practice, however, Musk has proven himself a capricious censor in his own right. He’s taken steps to throttle links to competitor platforms including Substack, Bluesky and Threads, suspended journalists he dislikes, and limited traffic to specific media sites. He promised not to ban an account that tracked the movements of his private jet; then he went ahead and did so anyway. Twitter complies with more government censorship requests under Musk than it did before his arrival. Sure, he welcomed Nazis back to the platform, but other than that, his commitment to unchecked free speech has been minimal.
@verynice5574
Ай бұрын
I can't tell if they have giant microphones or small heads. The vegan arms are throwing me off.
@azeplayt4546
Ай бұрын
Doesnt mean you are free of consequences - in the USA you cant say things that categorize as "hate speech" or certainy words at airports. So people should stop acting stupid about the topic.
@WookieWarriorz
Ай бұрын
I mean in europe you get a fine or short jail time for racist attacks and threats against people, its not even that common for someone to be charged. The usa has mostly the same thing, if you google Josh Pilaut 6 years, you can see an 18 year old who got 6 years in federal prision for making school shooting jokes and 'threats' while arguing in the chat in a old rpg game called runescape lol. You'll not find a similar case in europe of someone getting 6 years for video game shit talk.
@kundavanriel6142
Ай бұрын
No we don't. And America blew up our Pipeline
@prototypega8257
Ай бұрын
Lets ask billionairs about the folk. If you have 20 % Correct and 80 % wrong are you than right? At least you have a point right? Is 100 % Possible Good ore anything ? Idk but at least you have a point. Freedom of speach is like freedome of walk it ends if you enter the Privacy of others. The only actual Sensor of speach i know is the beep in American tv Shows.
@chrisbodum3621
Ай бұрын
Why don't the dislike buttons trigger an acknowledgement on this video ?
@mattsmith5421
28 күн бұрын
You tube (American) deletes half my comments lol
@Caambrinus
Ай бұрын
No.
@marcblum7493
Ай бұрын
France has created the Human rights so a critic from Musk which is South african, not really a model of democracy and refused to sign the Universal Declaration of Human Rights because their racial discrimination and segregation until 1994 (Of course you can't blame someone from his origin but like Austria and Germany which are really carefull about faschism, Mr Musk should be carefull about who has the right to do what ever. Just saying...) and Trump which is Trump is like a really good joke, and i really don't like EU laws and burocratic system in general, but saying: EU is mean because we can't sh*tpost there.. From them it's priceless.
@stiglarsson8405
Ай бұрын
At first, that video explain some things about freedome of speach! But I want to focus on the different legislation, at least in my country.. compared to USA! The differens in USA is that one can say/write anything.. its up some other to sue them.. if they can afford it! And there is not that much differens in legislation/laws.. exept that one in USA need to sue them.. and pay for it one self! In my country and for what I know my neighbour countries.. its a public matter and a topic for the public prosecuter to bring people that break the law to a trial! Soo a differens between USA and EU/many other european countrys is in USA one have to pay for it one self, but in Europe we pay taxes and our legal system take care of the costs! Soo again, my country have its own legislation.. but altso EU legislation becuse no small country cant challange Musk on there own.. or China, or Russia, or whatever! Soo then.. EU legislation is a mix of european legislation, it make us stronger against other influences.. it make us that strong that we even can challange USA, Russia and China.. and even all the "american" social media platforms.. like the same as USA challange TikTok! And then again, the differens between USA and Europe is mostly.. that in USA its a private matter to sue, but in Europe its more in the public interest to sue! If there is a spech/written context that break the law!
@markbright684
Ай бұрын
Watch silenced by tommy robinson
@balaytonah9629
Ай бұрын
Free Pavel Durov from EU censorship.
@christopheb.6121
Ай бұрын
Why release a person who encourages racist speech, pedophile networks, drug trafficking, terrorism, etc. to have the maximum number of users ?
@E-jit
Ай бұрын
This premise was so dumb, the EU has no say in each individual country’s freedom of speech whatsoever. There are delegates from all EU countries that get to decide whether there should be restrictions online and that’s it. The EU have no right to dictate what should or shouldn’t be regarded as free speech in any country within the EU, each country has its own laws.
@Naanhanyrazzu
Ай бұрын
Here you are simply under a false assumption. The legal hierarchy is: EU constitution > EU laws > state constitutions > state laws > regional constitutions (federal states, cantons, etc.) > regional laws > municipal laws. If the EU Parliament passes a law, it must be implemented by every member state. The states have a certain amount of freedom in how they do this, but they have to. Otherwise they have to pay high fines or, in the worst case, be excluded from the EU.
@michaelhamon886
Ай бұрын
Pas du tout. les lois européennes sont au dessus, comme la cours de justice européenne est au dessus des juridictions nationales. Par exemple , la Hongrie risque une exclusion de l'espace Schengen parce qu'elle veut faciliter la venue de Russes sur son territoire.
@E-jit
Ай бұрын
@@michaelhamon886 sorry, I don’t know French and I don’t know how to translate.
@E-jit
Ай бұрын
@@Naanhanyrazzu We do not have to agree to everything and the EU has no right to make laws. Yes you have to meet certain requirements regarding free speech, democracy and such to become a member but they can’t dictate the details of your laws.
@E-jit
Ай бұрын
@@Naanhanyrazzu Correction: We can say no to most things, not everything but no country has been excluded so far.
@petebeatminister
Ай бұрын
I guess thats a EU propaganda channel. Everything peachy in the Eu, Flinten Uschi will look after you, don't worry.
@joaopinheiroSPS
Ай бұрын
An interesting freedom index is “world press freedom index” and Europe is better qualified than USA. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index?wprov=sfti1 This Wikipedia values, it is what it is. I also don’t know how these values are determined. There are others freedom index, and USA is not the best qualified. Maybe in one parameter like economic freedom, but several other countries are pretty close. In my opinion the biggest differences are “small” nuances, both Europe and USA are equally free 🙂
@squidcaps4308
Ай бұрын
USA is not in top ten in other metrics than economic freedoms when it comes to freedoms and rights. Economic freedoms have nothing to do with liberal freedoms, it is not a metric that correlates with them. You can be a dictatorship and still have better economic freedoms than a democracy. To be fair, there is some correlation but it is not strong. The worst rankings USA has are in the democracy index (27) and free press index (45). Freedom of expression rankings it is #13, the problems being LGBT and minorities, and it is not so much because of government but because of people. But.. many muricans do not count that as a violation of free speech because government is not doing it. And at the same time if any other government limits 0.0001% of speech it means that it is 100% not free. There is a weird naive sentiment where outcomes do not matter, only the principles do.
@raghvendrapratapsingh2585
Ай бұрын
I am neither in US nor incline myself to its issues. But, those index rankings are an absolute joke.
@peacefulminimalist2028
Ай бұрын
@@raghvendrapratapsingh2585 You saying that is a joke, they are all different and made by different organizations, so without checking their methods and background you can't just issue a blanket statement.
@raghvendrapratapsingh2585
Ай бұрын
@@peacefulminimalist2028 You go and check the list of countries and the order they are placed in , in happiness index , press freedom index and democracy index, and you’ll realise what I am saying. The multiple agencies that are involved in creating these indices also operate on severe biases and agendas.
@peacefulminimalist2028
Ай бұрын
@@raghvendrapratapsingh2585 To me it sounds like you are biased because you feel something is wrong about the order. Personally I see nothing wrong in this specific list. If you do, I am sure you will enlighten us.
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