I don't know why I keep watching these tacoma videos cause I can't afford a $700/month payment for 6 years. Too bad Toyota went crazy with their profits margins on these new ones.
@deweysturgill6220
9 ай бұрын
Yep. How bout that new Gmc Canyon AT4 AEV that is showing a sticker of $ 67000 plus all the taxes and dealer fees? With current interest rates for most buyers that would be a 100k mid size truck time it is paid off. Nuts.
@user-ms3es1wn2u
8 ай бұрын
Exactly, is so expensive! I can’t even afford a Maverick lol they are up there too. I guess I won’t be able to drive a truck for a while.
@TheAnnoyingBoss
4 ай бұрын
@@deweysturgill6220yeah not worth it because by the tike itd paid pff and it cost you that much you will get way less back after selling it as a depriciated asset
@rerod650
9 ай бұрын
Nathan’s quick witted one liners are the best. If you’re not paying attention you can miss some really funny ones. 3:24 “Do we have to pay to stare at it?” Referring to all the absolute asinine “subscriptions” manufacturers are making up that customers have to pay to use standard vehicle features.
@anthonyc1883
9 ай бұрын
And he said the Toyota engineer wanted to give him a hug.
@dwreckd1836
9 ай бұрын
And when he said oh it’s got cruise control because some don’t..meaning Andrea Colorado that came without cruise control lol
@googleaccount2637
9 ай бұрын
@dwreckd1836 how is that even mildly humorous? He optioned his truck without cruise control. I've driven for decades and have never once used cruise control.
@dwreckd1836
9 ай бұрын
You seem to have missed the running joke my friend. It’s funny because Andrea DIDNT KNOW it would come without cruise control and that Mr truck and even Tommy have razzed on him about it. Also funny that for the price he paid for the truck that it didn’t come standard. Sorry you didn’t know the running joke on their vids…but maybe talk to a proctologist about how easily you’re butt hurt
@SuperMustangred
9 ай бұрын
I wonder if Toyota will open up a recycling place for all of the spoilers people want to get rid of?
@jamaljacksonjr2652
9 ай бұрын
😅😂
@deplorablechump8758
9 ай бұрын
Nope, pay to get rid of it
@-B_G-
9 ай бұрын
Sad thing is that it probably adds 2-300 dollars for something every one, except old men, will remove on day one.
@theTealStory
9 ай бұрын
@@-B_G- a bit of plastic and 8? bolts costs toyota probably $8 in material
@-B_G-
9 ай бұрын
@@theTealStory - and probably adds 2-300$ to the price tag at the dealer. I’m not concerned with what it costs Toyota, I’m concerned about how much it costs the customer
@lionzoo71
9 ай бұрын
It's about a 3% improvement in fuel efficiency with the chin spoiler. For a few bucks worth of hardware, that's actually a really significant improvement from an engineering perspective.
@JonBecker81
8 ай бұрын
After this the design department walked into the engineering department armed with axes, swords and maces.
@PlayWaves1
7 ай бұрын
@JonBecker81 A designer is like an engineer but with a lower IQ.
@spinnetti
7 ай бұрын
True. ugly AF tho Better to not buy a truck and get a Prius, Corolla or Camry Hybrid instead
@is6566
9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the testing! Appreciate your time and money spent.
@foxtrotwolf6081
9 ай бұрын
In the olden days, on the 82+ Firebirds and 84+ Corvettes, if the owner complained about overheating while driving, it's because they lost their chin spoiler somewhere. That spoiler guided airflow into the radiator while at speed since there was no grille for the fire breathing (for its time) V-8.
@pryme2013
9 ай бұрын
When he popped the hood I literally laughed a little. Looks like someone dropped a massive pot of spaghetti noodles all over the engine. What a nightmare 😂
@anthonyc1883
9 ай бұрын
Perhaps that's part of the reason why those plastic covers over the engine were put into place years ago, which everyone seems to scoff at, so now the manufacturers have been not putting them on and the result looks ugly.
@matt45540
9 ай бұрын
Hopefully a pre-production problem
@phild9813
9 ай бұрын
That’s what a lot of engine bays look like now. Emissions and turbo hardware combined seems messy
@ryandoyle4344
9 ай бұрын
Planned obsolescence
@stephenj4937
9 ай бұрын
Don't look at the new Ford Maverick - you might have a heart attack.
@Cloud30000
9 ай бұрын
I wish more manufacturers would copy Ram and use a retractable chin spoiler that only deploys over ~45mph
@Cloud30000
9 ай бұрын
Remember that the air density at that altitude means less drag, so it would benefit those at sea level more (though I don’t know by how much)
@patrickyoung2151
9 ай бұрын
still taking it off lol
@michaelpopp6340
8 ай бұрын
I live at 4k+ elevation and notice 5 to 10% better fuel mileage at elevation. I'd think that this should somewhat correlate with the 3% power loss per 1k of elevation.
@PKDesigns2011
9 ай бұрын
Ty for making this happen. great vid. gotta be honest with full size trucks coming close to these numbers and in similar price point as this limited i would personally go for the less packaged more capable fullsize instead of the smaller taco ... guess part of the reason this segment faded was cause it couldn't do enough to justify itself over fullsize trucks
@joshm9003
9 ай бұрын
Some people just dont want to be driving a studio sized apartment around town or off road and have the ability to fit their vehicle in their garage. Theres pros and cons to everything in life you just have to pick what suits your needs best.
@scottyellis3442
9 ай бұрын
As always great job on the testing. I remember on the white Ram "Stubby" the chin spoiler made a huge difference, so I was expecting the same on this one. But with such little savings that would be the 1st thing for me. To me it makes the truck look so bad I would probably take it off right after signing papers.
@IcanDriveIt
9 ай бұрын
Straight to the trash. Probably before the truck got home
@The_Opinion_of_Matt
9 ай бұрын
I remember the extending the towing mirrors on stubby resulted in reducing the mpg by 6. It went from like 24mpg to 18mpg or something.
@lesalbro8880
9 ай бұрын
I don't remember that one being so plow like. It seems like in order to make this chin spoiler easier to remove, they also made it look cheap, tacked on, and less effective.
@johnhoover7869
9 ай бұрын
Makes you wonder how much you could gain by getting rid of the sidemirers altogether.
@scottyellis3442
9 ай бұрын
@@johnhoover7869 Yes, I think eventually side mirrors will be replaced with little tiny cameras on the doors.
@jsasu.3
9 ай бұрын
Wow! And I thought the air dam on my 2020 F250 was huge. Tacoma said hold my beer. 😂
@utahknivesandgearnick7647
9 ай бұрын
Thank you for taking that thing off!!! Great video as always guys!!!
@mikesawyer1336
9 ай бұрын
It's for the Toyota fleet fuel efficiency numbers (only )
@Rift45
9 ай бұрын
The difference may be larger at sea level. The air is fairly thin where you guys are.
@matt45540
9 ай бұрын
If there's a 2% improvement there would still be a 2% improvement just the actual miles per gallon would be different
@smillman437
9 ай бұрын
^ so... The difference is an environment where aero effects are *more pronounced*, versus an environment where aero doesn’t help as much (high altitude Colorado). Ergo, the difference (2-3%) widens differentially. It’s still a matter of testing whether the difference changes to 2.5-3.5% (negligible), or if the difference widens meaningfully... which is subjective, but if it approaches 5-6% difference, there are probably people who would keep it. Personal note, I’d eat the 5-6% difference and remove the chin myself lol
@marv8481
8 ай бұрын
I did the same test on my Tahoe, did a loop of a little over 100 miles, back to back on the highway, following the exact fill up procedures at the same gas station and the same pump. I got 0.02 mpg difference/ worse, without that ugly chin spoiler. I’d say it’s literally within a margin of error, but my tests could not have went better. Barely any traffic, steady temperatures, low wind, got to stay in cruise control the whole time on the interstate, it could not have been a better “apples to apples” comparison.
@larrysayers1377
8 ай бұрын
Great video. Keep it up. Really enjoy these real world tests. I had a work truck, a 2015 F150 V-8, that I used to travel with extensively. I took off what they called the air dam because I drove in rural roads with lots of snow and it would plow up on the front. However most was on highway. I never noticed a change in fuel consumption. So I’ve come to conclude these air dams or chin spoiler as you call it don’t make much difference in fuel consumption
@damiangutierrez9103
8 ай бұрын
Can't wait to see an mpg test on the hybrid Tacoma.
@michaelstewart593
9 ай бұрын
Does the air dam reduce noice or improve ride quality in any way?
@robertyoung8289
9 ай бұрын
No
@michaelstewart593
9 ай бұрын
How do you know? Just curious what your source is. @@robertyoung8289
@Pickle312
9 ай бұрын
Really need more miles than this to test it effectively.
@reecedrury4145
9 ай бұрын
I did a track day in my Volvo v60 cross country on Primacy's when my Mini broke down. Scubbed the script of the side wall lol but didnt hold up too badly.
@shazmodeus2795
9 ай бұрын
Good God that chin spoiler just kills the look of the truck. So much for off-roading with that thing on.
@jonathanmazzella1247
9 ай бұрын
That back seat room is a no go for me. My kids would hate me lol.
@markreams3192
9 ай бұрын
It looks like they took the chin spoiler off of a Ford Super Duty!😂
@BuilderJay
9 ай бұрын
I have a '19 Ranger, and highway I get close to 23-24 mpg on highway driving. Avg town/city is 20-21. I use 88/E15 for mine.
@harrisonskarnweajr2861
9 ай бұрын
I love Nathan!!! Said just what I was going to say. "COMPLETE BS," I'll take it off. Great truck and will still dominate..
@BizzaroWorld-r8g
8 ай бұрын
14.4 MPG Economy mode made me trade mine
@MrJcjet
9 ай бұрын
What?!? That's not a spoiler, it's a factory snowplow! And you get it for no upcharge!
@maogutileo
7 ай бұрын
Mine is a 2017 and has an 18 gallon fuel tank in it as well.
@mrtopcat2
9 ай бұрын
I thought that was for the Colorado winters. 🤔 To plow snow?
@nathanlewis3462
8 ай бұрын
Dont let Nathan fool you...most modern turbo charged engines do not run on premium unless the vehicle is built for performance.
@jimmysuperduty1484
9 ай бұрын
This number is peak highway driving too...anyone in a congested area wont get any savings at all from that thing. Id throw that piece out day one
@RickActual
9 ай бұрын
Thanks guys! My son removed removed the spoiler on my F-150 and I have wondered how much of a difference that makes.
@seraph8672
9 ай бұрын
I assumed it was more for wind/road noise and possibly slightly handling? than actual fuel efficiency.
@saiket1735
9 ай бұрын
What if it has a full skit plate underneath to cover up all of the exposed parts (see clip at 13:58) I think the skit plate might increase mpg since it can lessen the air drag. TFL should do a test like that when the channel has its own truck.
@jhundley2009
9 ай бұрын
My ecoboost runs 87 Recommended 2.0 Liter - a lot of NA engines require premium fuel these days as well
@LarsDennert
9 ай бұрын
The 22RE turbo is reborn
@bobo11112222
5 ай бұрын
The contrast between Black chin with all red don’t look right But if you drive all Black tacoma, it really don’t look too bad unless you go off road.
@michaelmartin2276
9 ай бұрын
My 2011 Ram 4x4 with hemi gets 21-22 mpg on long distance drives not towing . No turbos for me.
@Rygo-wk3jm
9 ай бұрын
I wonder if it might help to reduce underbody rust by acting like a ‘shield’ against the elements. Probably not, but maybe.
@roncaron-l1r
9 ай бұрын
Good job love you guys ( ty Ron
@iUsefull
9 ай бұрын
What does Andre mean when he says 'lucjurious'?
@Poxenium
9 ай бұрын
Toyota is a scam company today.
@RustyShacklefordlivefreeordie
9 ай бұрын
Why do you say that?
@devengudinas1649
9 ай бұрын
Yeah 60 k for a little truck is definitely a scam.
@scottyellis3442
9 ай бұрын
I agree, I think Toyota is living on a reputation they built years ago. No way the Toyota's of today with small engine displacement & turbos will be as long lasting & reliable as the old. I just hate that Toyota jumped on the bandwagon like all the others.
@philliphols
9 ай бұрын
I remember this test on TFL truck with a Ram 1500 and it made a significant difference in fuel mileage. I’m surprised the results aren’t similar here
@Tallnerdyguy
9 ай бұрын
Smaller loop, colder, air being less dense
@NATOHA-64
9 ай бұрын
There is no way I would ever get a Tacoma with a 4 cylinder I love my Tacoma 2005 with a real V6 HELL YA. And Turbos only last about 100 thousand miles and yes, I will knock it even if I try it and the rear bumper with the drop-down tow hitch I dont like that I hope they put rear disk brake on it but that wont matter to me now that it has a 4 cylinder not all changers are good ones, I wont a V6 with turbos?????? or not??????? Sad Days for us Tacoma lovers :( :( you take so much wait of the bed that you will have even more problems sliding around when it rains or is wet or Snowy out not to happy with this new Tacoma, I guess my 2005 Tacoma will be my last
@skipgumphrey9579
9 ай бұрын
VERY surprised to see a Toyota owner claiming that turbos only last 100,000 miles. My last diesel was an 02 Ford Powerstroke and it has over 400,000 on the original factory turbo. It was working fine when I sold it at 289,000 miles, and the current owner is over 400K with no problems. That’s with a Ford !!! Are you telling me that a Toyota can’t at least approximate that level of reliability ?!?! I get the loyalty to your V6, I’m still driving a Toyota truck with a 4.7 and haven’t gotten a new one despite the almost 300,000 miles on it because it still runs great. I’m considering the purchase of a Taco for runabout daily driver use, and from every comparison I’ve seen this new 4 cylinder turbo absolutely SMOKES the older V6. It gets better mpg, makes more power, makes a LOT more torque and at lower rpm. I’m thinking if you limit yourself to your 06 Taco then you’ll be missing out on upgrades done before the change, AND the potential of the new truck. That’s a choice only you can make for yourself, good luck !
@Weatherby406
9 ай бұрын
Semi trucks can put a million miles on a turbo without failure. If you think this engine won’t be reliable you don’t know Toyota.. this motor actually exceeded the reliability of the last generation and the turbos reliability is in Toyotas commercial category.
@JohnDoe-nz6bk
9 ай бұрын
@@skipgumphrey9579diesel is a different animal. Not even comparable!
@DragonKnightX12
9 ай бұрын
@@JohnDoe-nz6bk Turbos work the same regardless, and Diesels demand way more. Not only do they run hotter, but they typically are pushing 25-30 psi of boost. Comparably these gas engines on the stock tune only run boost at 10-12 psi. As long as they use a good quality turbo, it should have no problem. Which Toyota is claiming they built this engine up to the same standards as their commercial engines.
@JohnDoe-nz6bk
9 ай бұрын
@@DragonKnightX12 work the same, yes. Built the same, no! Again, completely different animal.
@CaseyWalter-e2f
9 ай бұрын
You should try out the new Colorado Chevrolet trucks
@greggc8088
9 ай бұрын
Ditch it and create a drop down one activated with a button on the dash.
@enonek2960
9 ай бұрын
Why would ever reduce the size of a gas tank? Absolutely makes no sense?!?!?! Range per tank or range per charge is a key factor with any vehicle.
@craigmclaughlin7870
9 ай бұрын
I assume you have to put the bolts back in after you remove the spoiler to prevent the lower bumper cap flapping around in the wind?
@valerie80yearsago90
8 ай бұрын
It’s Toyota. We come for the long lasting engines, not so much the efficiency. Curious to see how long the turbos last. My tundra gets 22MPG on average.
@ldstirling
9 ай бұрын
The real dick punch of having a fuel tank that's nearly 3 gallons smaller is that even if the truck is more efficient, you won't be able to get any extra range per fill-up. If you could drive 350 miles on a tank previously, you'll still only be able to drive 350 miles per tank now. WTF???
@ALMX5DP
9 ай бұрын
Gotta agree with you there.
@Dennis-ky5jo
Ай бұрын
Was there a difference in sound level with and without the air dam?
@henrymoreno
9 ай бұрын
I have a 2021 GMC sierra AT4 5.3 that I drove from LA to San Diego. Yes it has the dreaded DFM but I was able to get 24.5mpg at 70-75mph with all terrain tires! That was a shocker
@taylorj959a
9 ай бұрын
when the DAMN EPA goes by the corporate average I guess every fraction of a MPG matters.
@wrcpatrick
8 ай бұрын
The 2024 gas jobs have really weak fuel estimates on the canadian Toyota site. My 2019 manual sport gets better economy and you know thr stated numbers will be lower than actual. Im curious what the hybrid will be rated at.
@fluffywarhampster
9 ай бұрын
i wish they would have just gone with the electric deployable front splitter like the tundra. they could have easily saved cost in other places on the truck to make that a standard feature of most trucks aside from the SR. than you also have the option to disable it for off-road use. on the upside toyota seems to know it doesn't serve much of a purpose and thankfully makes it very easy to take off.....
@bmwpete65s55
9 ай бұрын
It's definitely out of place on a 4x4 truck but what if someone lowered a 2WD? Might look cool then.
@matthoffman8162
9 ай бұрын
Imagine how that screen “integration” will look in 5-10 years.
@jmpattillo
9 ай бұрын
I wonder if it would be better without the holes for the recovery hooks.
@douglasbrooker5834
9 ай бұрын
How difficult is it to remove tablet infotainment system if you just want radio?
@ALMX5DP
9 ай бұрын
Not difficult at all, you just buy a different truck.
@davidkallstrom4349
9 ай бұрын
good test
@newchannel1231
9 ай бұрын
A good question! 👍
@danmcdonald726
9 ай бұрын
If it didn't have those holes in it it would probably do even better
@jasonconger6727
9 ай бұрын
How about sea level?
@MrJohney
9 ай бұрын
I get those mpgs with my ram 1500 😅 rebel 4x4
@googleaccount2637
9 ай бұрын
I wonder if they made an even bigger air dam would that make any difference then?
@josejose2100
9 ай бұрын
Don’t give them any ideas 😂
@lc2051
6 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t care for the mpg advantage, I care for that thing scratching every where, parking bumps, curbsides, even my garage has a steep incline where front bumpers get scratched. Imagine a truck scratching the front end? That’s for sedans only.
@MrGMawson2438
9 ай бұрын
Undo the bolts at the sides first lol
@igoldra_9162
9 ай бұрын
That's it? Really Toyota what a shame. Being still a prototype I hope they improve that truck. We had a 2020 Tacoma limited (no TRD packages what so ever) for 3 years and we average 26 mpg on highway and 23 combined in Colorado at just over 6,000 feet where we live. More effective? I don't think so just more money.
@bbeckers24
9 ай бұрын
I would suggest prolonged testing to confirm, but that would only be 2.9% difference. If you did 15k per year at 23mpg, with gas at $3/gal, it would amount to less than $60 per year. I agree, ditch that ugly thing.
@BassRacerx
9 ай бұрын
if you assume a 2% margin of error it's too close to tell. they would need to run this test several times to confirm the results.
@ReinhardSchuster
9 ай бұрын
It might change dramatically in just 5 years. Or in California it can be more expensive right now.
@monzav8
9 ай бұрын
Agree. Would ditch it. 2-3% improvement is not enough to offset the ugly factor, and it IS ugly
@Kcducttaper1
9 ай бұрын
That's also assuming the aerodynamic drag of running at 75mph for the entire 15k. The difference will be even less at lower speeds (city or small country back road). Yeah, definitely chuck it.
@freedomisntfree_44
9 ай бұрын
I’d pay 60 a year just for it to be gone 😅 it’s like larger tires or other things as well. They cost more but they look better 👍
@brentm3
9 ай бұрын
After years of openly joking about his own chin, it turns out Jay Leno is secretly enjoying a 3% aerodynamic advantage.
@fuzzy3440
9 ай бұрын
Yeah, but massively reduced his stability and appearance. Is it really worth it to have that big of a chin?
@TheSara200424
8 ай бұрын
Best comment of this year so far 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@markcole6475
9 ай бұрын
Most people are gonna end up ripping that chin spoiler off….just in use…parking curbs, snow , and even mild off roading..
@drn13355
9 ай бұрын
That is what I was thinking as well. I live in northern Wisconsin and am often driving in snow. I can't imagine that thing would last long.
@drn13355
9 ай бұрын
All I can think is Toyota put it on there knowing that everyone will take them off. It was for advertising they can see "Tacoma gets "x" mpg. @@Cocky.Rooster
@johncs154
9 ай бұрын
Agreed, and i belive it mostly comes on the limited so most wont even have it to begin with..
@phileasler5401
9 ай бұрын
Doubt that people would take it off…
@pnwdweler4100
9 ай бұрын
@@drn13355with a little extra bracing you could use it to plow your driveway.
@chuckgrenci6404
9 ай бұрын
For the user the spoiler is just about insignificant; for the manufacturer it makes EPA sense. It sure 'looks' better sans spoiler.
@dundonrl
9 ай бұрын
Yep, when manufacturers have to meet CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standards, even tenths of a MPG matter.
@rcguymike
9 ай бұрын
Bingo
@sacramentofoodforest
9 ай бұрын
@@dundonrl100000% facts man
@richfarfugnuven6308
9 ай бұрын
@@dundonrl yep.
@Joe-hz1nw
9 ай бұрын
Absolutely. They can bolt whatever crap on they want to “meet” that garbage. I don’t mind taking an hour to take it all off, just make it easy.
@michaellizotte2675
9 ай бұрын
I wonder if the mpg difference would be greater at sea level vs your elevation because of the difference in air density? In any event the numbers are pretty respectable considering the passenger load and that the Limited has a some extra weight power running boards etc. Thanks for doing this test!
@b22chris
9 ай бұрын
TFL should take a vacation trip to Florida and run the same test at sea level haha
@pauldiesel4582
9 ай бұрын
I agree, plus you have a lead foot driver and highway speeds of 70+ which is typical in their testing.
@matt45540
9 ай бұрын
The miles per gallon would change but the difference would not. As the air would equally apply drag to both tests
@SaltyDog69
9 ай бұрын
Not really, I take trips to Colorado and generally get the same or better mpg.
@oozk
9 ай бұрын
@@matt45540the aerodynamic deficiencies would actually get amplified as you get faster or drive in more dense air; so the gap would likely increase in percentage...
@montefiveforty1
9 ай бұрын
I would remove that thing before leaving the dealership and throw it in their dumpster.
@evancontos2267
9 ай бұрын
Friggin awesome idea!
@johnmalinowski8978
9 ай бұрын
Tires make a huge difference. My 21 Ridgeline was averaging 24 to 26 on the stock Firestone highway tires. 56000 miles I put on contential all terrain contact stock size and lost 3 to 4 miles per gallon
@jimmyr1683
9 ай бұрын
Maybe the weight of the tires?
@jimmyr1683
9 ай бұрын
Maybe the weight of the tires?
@wolfeadventures
9 ай бұрын
Absolutely. I lost 2mpg on my 4Runner going from nice road radial to Wildpeak ATW3.
@gdub350
9 ай бұрын
@@wolfeadventuresthose wildpeaks are incredibly heavy. I had them on my last truck and even though they were awesome they were like 8 pounds heavier than other all terrains.
@andrevanderwalt2515
9 ай бұрын
I have a 2.0L 4cyl BiTDI VW amarok and it loses about 6mpg when I switch from hwy terrain to mud terrain tires, but I do increase diameter a bit.
@nkyryry
9 ай бұрын
Gotta love a less reliable turbo 4cyl with useless extra power, similar mpg, for a lot more money lol.
@Pantelifts10
9 ай бұрын
I'm a Toyot fan. Had 2 Tundras up to last year. I don't like the direction that Toyota is going with Tundra and Tacoma. Not significant upgrades and in general the new platforms don't seem as reliable. Time will tell i guess
@hahaadventures4838
9 ай бұрын
Gents you need to do this test at sea level. Air density is less at 5,000 ft. elevation. You’ll likely experience a greater difference in more dense air.
@skinnybricks
9 ай бұрын
Great comment!
@TheAnnoyingBoss
4 ай бұрын
But my vehicle will rust next to the water
@PROutdoors94
9 ай бұрын
Toyota was definitely right about how easy and fast it was to take off that chin which is nice. Pretty straightforward to just slap it on if you’re doing very long distance trips where you know you’re not going places that ground clearance is needed.
@Argedis
9 ай бұрын
I had a 2015 Canyon and had to use an angle grinder to remove the chin because the bolts were inserted top to bottom so it was impossible to unbolt even though they claimed it was 'removable'
@Cocky.Rooster
9 ай бұрын
Exactly take it off for around town and off-road, and slap that ugly thing on there when I take my 2000 mile summer vacation 👍
@ALMX5DP
9 ай бұрын
@@Argedislol. It might have been a bit more tedious but it’s definitely possible if you had some patience.
@Argedis
9 ай бұрын
@@ALMX5DP Nope, No way to access the bolts without removing the entire bumper. It was bolted from inside the bumper top to bottom. You only had access to the bottom of the screws. (which I cut off) I could have used a dremel cut off wheel but the angle grinder worked fine. Came off in a few minutes
@ALMX5DP
9 ай бұрын
@@Argedis I just pulled up a YT video which managed. Seemed alright to me.
@davva360
9 ай бұрын
I would definitely remove it. It goes way too low and would just get curbed by someone. For less than 1mpg it really is not worth it.
@milktrucktyper
9 ай бұрын
Nearly 3 percent isn’t too bad of a gain, and it probably gives better gains at higher speeds. If you’re off-roading it seems a lot better to just take it off and you wouldn’t be losing much
@sterlingbrown3722
9 ай бұрын
Wonder if you blocked the holes if the MPG’s would increase.
@ReinhardSchuster
9 ай бұрын
This is not how aerodynamics work.
@is6566
9 ай бұрын
I guess it depends on which holes. 😃
@sterlingbrown3722
9 ай бұрын
@@is6566 where the tow hooks are.
@is6566
9 ай бұрын
Ahh, that hole! 😍
@jimbob8701
9 ай бұрын
@@ReinhardSchusterthat’s exactly how aerodynamics work. That front air dam is essentially plugging the “hole” that is the underside of the truck.
@lrspet01
9 ай бұрын
Ford maverick has entered the chat with real world MPGs of 45+. Toyota needs to make a competitor ASAP.
@johnhogg9756
9 ай бұрын
Probs make a bigger diff on long high speed driving so if do a lot of long freeway journeys might make sense.
@murdiesel
9 ай бұрын
How about the rear view mirror that is by camera because Cole would be in the view. Think of this have we lost what a truck was, quiet? Radio, windows open, and feeling the environment but I get it as a grocery getter, lol!
@brianneu6489
9 ай бұрын
Sometimes chin spoilers are there to create an air differential for the radiator so more air flows through the radiator, increasing its effectiveness in cooling.
@timalan7406
8 ай бұрын
That's not so in this case.
@somguy5035
9 ай бұрын
2023 limited V6: 19-24 mpg 2024 limited i4: 20-23 mpg And now we know roughly 1 mpg is from the spoiler... If they offered a 2024 truck with the new transmission, interior, suspension, etc, but with the old trusted V6, who isn't choosing that? The hybrid had better be pretty impressive
@fscottgray9784
9 ай бұрын
Shocked that the way Nathan pinches pennies he would not lot to leave the chin spoiler on. No telling what he could do with all that saved gas money.
@jackylsmith8138
9 ай бұрын
Is no one upset that it only gets 24 mpg. That is awful. You can get a F-150 that gets that or better and it’s bigger and quicker.
@user-tb7rn1il3q
9 ай бұрын
You’re lucky to get 20 in an F150 and it’s no quicker. Being bigger is not a selling point. It won’t fit in parking spaces or garages so it’s basically useless.
@bendino9016
9 ай бұрын
F150 has trucks with sub 6 second zero to 60....@@user-tb7rn1il3q
@is6566
9 ай бұрын
“ (F150) won’t fit in parking spaces or garages so it’s basically useless.” $hit. Nobody told me that my F150 was useless because it didn’t fit into parking spaces. I though after driving it 80,000+ miles that it fit into parking spaces pretty well. It also fits my garage. Definitely didn’t seem to be useless when hauling construction material in the bed or demo debris to the dump or when I was camping for months out of the camper in the back in state forests. Thanks for letting me know. I will get rid of that junk immediately and replace it with a new 5-foot bed midsize truck so finally I will have a useful truck. Originally I just wanted to add a Tacoma to the fleet but you opened my eyes. I should just dump that useless F150.
@DragonKnightX12
9 ай бұрын
@@carbonking53 Most people aren't commuting 90% highway tho. Look up on Fuelly the avg for the 2.7 is around 18, only 1 mpg more than the 5.0. Definitely blitz the Taco, and it's coming too the new Ranger.
@user-tb7rn1il3q
9 ай бұрын
@@carbonking53 The truck mileage computer is optimistic. Try parking in a garage that’s 18 feet deep. I’m not removing snow and ice in the winter. Acceleration is limited by traction. A pickup with little weight in the rear is not accelerating very fast.
@user-gq2vn1xj2r
8 ай бұрын
This is absolutely hilarious! What a dumb situation. Everyone is going to remove this thing and they wind up in the landfill. Great work, EPA!
@johnsodx
9 ай бұрын
The important question is: does the chin spoiler make the exhaust sound better, because that seems to be the most important aspect of any truck for TFL?
@mikefoehr235
9 ай бұрын
That air dam wont last long off roading.
@chuckssandman8532
9 ай бұрын
Let's be real, 57 miles isn't anywhere near long enough to get an accurate idea of the actual MPG. Either way, I wouldn't care if I got 5 MPG less, I would remove that front chin before I drove it off the lot.
@volvo09
9 ай бұрын
Yeah, far too short of a test without using a fuel cell.
@yanglue611
9 ай бұрын
I wish Toyota came back with the 22RE-T with updated electronics.
@RA-oy6bg
9 ай бұрын
It would last to long and people would stop trading in their cars
@DeuceDeuceBravo
9 ай бұрын
Thank you for doing this! I wonder if a skid plate or even a small spoiler would still provide some benefit without being so ugly? The truck looks SO much better without it, but I completely understand why Toyota added it.
@gusuave007
9 ай бұрын
I get an average of 15.2 mpg with my Tundra 1794, so if you're getting 23 mpg that's really good. I love my Tundra, though. What I want Toyota to make is this: Tundra or Tacoma with a diesel engine, six seater, manual transmission with paddle shifters, at least a five foot bed, and good rear legroom-My Tundra Crewmax has insane legroom.
@kenkozawa9810
9 ай бұрын
Manual transmission with paddle shifters...!? That is an oxymoron... surely you mean a DCT?
@jjnky127
9 ай бұрын
I noticed the chin spoiler had 2 big rectangular holes in the front of it. If the holes were covered would it make a bigger difference?
@Jan07362
9 ай бұрын
Those to holes could be a vortex generator to accerate the air underbody not sure were exactly they redirect the vortex my guess for the front wheel
@BigHouse907
9 ай бұрын
then people would complain about no access to the recovery hooks (or loops in this case)
@justinlawson5877
9 ай бұрын
Id like to see the difference the chin spoiler would make towing an enclosed trailer
@cstgx
9 ай бұрын
Tacoma towing lol
@kevinmitchell4446
9 ай бұрын
I don't think it effects the tow capacity
@ALMX5DP
9 ай бұрын
@@thenutsonyourchin well I believe the Tundra's power deploying airdam does stay up when it recognizes a trailer attached. So my guess is there is some effect, depending on the overall vehicle or frontend design when towing or not.
@jbraaap2821
9 ай бұрын
Might affect cooking efficiency when towing (or under any load)?
@thystaff742
9 ай бұрын
The chin would make since if it could get you 1-2 mpg extra.
@boostav
9 ай бұрын
Well it got 0.7mpg, that's not far off the 1mpg you mention...
@thystaff742
9 ай бұрын
@boostav I stated 1-2mpg, meaning over 1mpg.
@thystaff742
9 ай бұрын
@thenutsonyourchin A chin guard on this will never be able to create enough wind deflection to save 5mpg. Not even a completely different front end with a low drag design would save 5mpg.
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