Thanks for watching JD. That means a lot coming from you!
@BigTruckBigRV
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths no problem! Tons of great data and real world comparisons here. Outstanding work! I might link it in a video.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Feel free to use it how you want! After all the comments I have received I was wondering how long until you found the video! Glad you liked it!
@BigTruckBigRV
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths actually noticed it several days ago but didn't check it out until today.
@BigTruckBigRV
2 жыл бұрын
Made a video and mentioned this one with a link to your channel: kzitem.info/news/bejne/1X2XmYSXm4ZoioI
@hudsonblough3849
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! I own both an F350 and a 2022 F450. I definitely agree on the ride comments. My comparison is between a 22 F450 and 20 F350 dually. You talked a lot about the weights of the trucks but more simply, the difference between the pay load is only because the F450 is heavier due to the wide track steering components, heavier wheels/tires, brakes and rear end differential. In other words, since the mfg keeps both trucks at a 14K GVW, the payload is the difference between the weight of the truck and the GVW. I would argue that if the mfg did not de-rate both trucks, the F450 would hands down have a higher payload mainly because of the much bigger brakes that can stop a heavier payload. “Handling a bigger weight” should also include brake capacity, tire weight capacity and ability to accelerate which you did not discuss. You can’t put a price on safety and while you touched on a lot of good points, the extra braking power, tire weight capacity and the pulling power of the bigger/heavier 4.30 rear end of the F450 was not really considered in “which can handle more weight” in the video (big omission IMO). You mainly looked at “payload” which is not the whole story when looking at which is better for pulling 20K lbs. Lastly, I have never heard a F450 owner wish they had bought a F350 but I have heard plenty of F350 owners wish they had an F450.
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I think both trucks are great, we wanted the F450 but in every scenario we would be overweight! They are both class 3 vehicles rated at 14,000lbs so at the end of the day it doesn't matter what they may be rated for they are in the same class, making the F350 more capable in terms of payload and with the 4:10 rear end it can tow more as well! When towing big RV's you will max out payload well before you get anywhere near the max towing capacity of either truck! Also when towing any trailer, your truck brakes are not stopping the trailer, that is what the trailer brakes are for! I made this video because the F450 PU is not an F450 it is an F350 with some extra features that make it less capable! The actual Class 4 F450 that is rated at 16,500lbs is a more capable truck, but the F450 everyone buys is not that truck!
@jerryfisher9530
Жыл бұрын
What is the difference in gpm of your two trucks, thanks
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
@@jerryfisher9530 With these two trucks it's virtually the same mileage! The F350 has 4:10 rear end! If you had a 3:73 or 3:55 it would be much better! Both trucks get around 18 empty anf 8-9 loaded!
@jeffclark4008
Жыл бұрын
LMAO at "Ford put more components on the F450 to make it less capable". You put wayyy too much weight on the 14k gvwr, instead of important things like brakes, wheels, axles and steering.
@matthewadams6505
11 ай бұрын
Great info! Thx!!
@ZeebNinja
2 жыл бұрын
I don't know much about trucks but I do know that you put in an enormous amount of time for this video. Great job.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! This was the most time-consuming video I have made yet! The planning took a few days! Almost 12 hours of filming, and over a week of editing! It was fun but a lot of work to put videos like this together!
@JasonSpirko-tl5yv
10 ай бұрын
Hands down the best F350 vs F450 video I have seen to date. Very informative. Great job with the real world testing.
@PavingNewPaths
10 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@timpayne431
2 жыл бұрын
I prefer my 2017 Ford F450 XL over any F350! It has far fewer options than the other trim levels which makes it lighter and results in a little over 5,000 pounds of payload capacity. The larger brakes, exhaust brake, awesome turning radius, and beefier rear axles give give me peace of mind while towing our 43-foot Keystone Fuzion 417 toy hauler. I've towed our RV for nearly 9,000 miles through the mountains, through very tight campgrounds with overhanging tree canopy, etc. and it does it all with ease!
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
You sir have the best one as you have the upgraded features and the payload capacity! We wanted the F450 but because of payload we went with the F350! Since we live and travel full time we wanted the comforts of the top trim levels! Our F350 came with 4:10 rear end and when mated to the 10 speed it pulls great! We have traveled over 20,000 miles towing through the mountains out west and never worried about power or controlling our rig! They are both great trucks just what works best for your set up!
@wj2791
2 жыл бұрын
Tim, if you did not have a trailer to pull, would you still be buying F450 over F350? Currently, I drive 2020 DRW 6.7 Lariat and is planning to put the order in for 2023 Super duty. I do not pull, but do carry up to about 3500 lbs few times in each month. I do drive pretty fast when freeway opens up. Did you do any after market for TPMS? Are you having any vibration type of issue on your tires? Are you having hard time to find the tire shop to do the maintenance on your F450?
@timpayne431
2 жыл бұрын
@@wj2791 Yes, I had to add a Tireminder TPMS, I needed it for my triple axle toy hauler anyway. If not towing a large RV, the F350 is a MUCH better choice! The 4.30 axle ratio of the F450 is a huge negative if not towing a large rig. The F350 has factory TPMS, smoother riding non-commercial tires, a much better axle ratio for cruising at highway speeds and likely better fuel economy than the F450.
@wj2791
Жыл бұрын
@@timpayne431I let my heart make the decision over my head. I did order F450 Limited. :) I will probably install Centramatic in the front and will look further into Tireminder TPMS for the truck.
@Subi_doo
Жыл бұрын
The 450, or any superduty, exhaust brake is a gimmick. It’s so weak, might as well not even have it
@truckerlarry7345
9 ай бұрын
As a longtime operator of a 379 Peterbilt I would choose the 450 both trucks meaning the Fords are rated on paper as the same. But the 450 is made to do maximum work all day every day , The 350 is for the weekend warrior . The difference and ride quality is mainly due to the profile of the sidewall of the tires. Taller sidewall has more deflection and is less stable under loads also tread pattern where is a thing on high profile tires. That is why the 450 has the larger wheel size and a shorter sidewall more miles per tire. so if you’re just towing your camper to Florida once a year or Arizona and you go camping occasionally the 350 will probably be fine. But if you’re a full-time RV or I would not pass up the 450 the price is very close when comparably equipped same motor same transmission. By the way nice job on the video I watch the entire thing before I come in it and I think you did a thorough job.
@PavingNewPaths
9 ай бұрын
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video! I would say a flat top Pete would be my preferred choice in tow vehicles!
@4urthoughts
2 жыл бұрын
That intro had my husband laughing!! Great content as always!!
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@randymoy5190
2 жыл бұрын
The biggest thing I've seen is no matter what 450 trim level you buy, they all start out with the same "bones" whereas a 350 you have to spec it out and ensure the proper tow packages are installed. Much easier, in my humble opinion, to buy a 450. It's all ready to go. Just how much comfort/convenience you desire on the trim package.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
We are talking about the version that everyone is using to pull the big RV's nowadays! That is usually a lariat and up trim package for both, so having to "work" to spec them out is not a thing! You are right both the F350 and F450 start out as the same bones and use most of the same parts! When it is done The F450 is a very nice truck but it is an F350 with some nice upgraded that make it less capable for what the truck is being used for! Pulling heavy Fifth wheels with 4k plus pin weight!
@randymoy5190
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths Completely understand the "version" of the 350 everyone is using. My point is no matter what trim level 450 you buy it IS the right version already. No need to spec out anything. Plug n Play. You buy a 450 it's ready to tow. No need to make sure it has dual rear wheels, etc..like you do on a 350. 😎
@dchambers25
6 ай бұрын
@@randymoy5190 choosing a drw 350 when specing the trucks takes the same work as choosing a 450. There is a box you check for both if you want a 350 drw, or a 450. I suppose that 'drw' can make it hard since you have 3 extra letters you have to read. You make it sound as if you are sweating pointing the mouse and clicking.
@randymoy5190
6 ай бұрын
@@dchambers25 No sweat at all if I get a 450. The work is already done. 🤠
@dchambers25
6 ай бұрын
@@randymoy5190 yeah you are right! I had to click another box on the order form and my finger cramped up. Not to mention I had to add the bedliner, choose limited trim, rapid supplemental heat and wheel well liners! Truly an exhausting 45 secs to do all that!
@dr.michaelbennett8597
Жыл бұрын
The F450 is a class 4 truck. The lessor payload is only advertising. The F450 is heavier and it’s all unsprung weight. The wider front stance and bigger brakes, alone, make it a much better choice. Tighter turning radius and better stopping capacity.
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
The door sticker and the registration will be a class 3 truck rated at 14k! If you wanted a class 4 truck you should have got thre CC F450, but the F450 PU you have is nothing more thsn a less capable F350
@davidsingletonii883
Жыл бұрын
You had me hooked in the first minute and a half 😂 “This one has a hundred more 50’s” 😂
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! We tried to have fun with the intro and are glad you enjoyed it!
@minixllc4860
2 жыл бұрын
Hands down the best review on these Super Duty trucks I have ever seen 👏
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! We tried to compare them using real world data and limit our opinions!
@lyndcason7516
2 жыл бұрын
Having recently had both, the F450 squats less than the F350 DRW under the same load (fifth wheel). Although both are 14k GVWR and the F450 weighs more, giving it a lower CCC on paper, everyone knows that the F450 is derated to keep it listed as a Class 3 truck. And for those bigger trailers, the larger brakes on the F450 make it an excellent choice.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Since the F450 and the F350 have the same rear springs, they will squat exactly the same! In my video the F350 squatted 1/4 more but that is due to the fact I have an additional 490lbs worth of stuff in my bed and under my bed over the F450! All the F450 owners want to believe so bad that the truck is derated and that Ford made a special truck for them and listed it at 14K to keep it a class 3! Thats all opinion the fact is the truck is built on the same frame, same rear springs and same axle housing so if the F450 is derated so is the F350! At the end of the day the truck is a class 3 truck rated at 14K GVWR, the opinion of what you think it is does not matter! And lastly when towing a trailer, the trucks brakes do not stop the trailer, that's why you have trailer brakes! When you set it up correctly the trailer will stop the trailer and the truck will stop the truck!
@johnhwang339
2 жыл бұрын
In a rare event that the trailer brakes fail or the pigtail gets detached, the bigger brakes on the F450 could be a lifesaver.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
@@johnhwang339 We fail to mention these trucks are full of so much technology that having a brake failure wouldn't just sneak up on you anymore! These trucks both the F450 and F350 will alert you if the trailer plug became disconnected and even if you had a wiring problem or short! Even if the brakes on the trailer failed, the exhaust brake combined with the tow mode of the 10speed make these trucks more than capable!
@Himnotman
9 ай бұрын
This had to be one of the best videos I've ever seen in this subject matter, thorough, in depth and explained well!
@PavingNewPaths
9 ай бұрын
Thank you! Glad you liked the video!
@acdii
2 жыл бұрын
Going from a SRW F-350 short bed King Ranch to a F-450 Platinum, I noticed the ride was actually much better. In either case the DRW is a better riding truck than a SRW. Tire cost is an issue, especially with the tighter turning radius causing tire scrub, which the factory Conti's do not hold up to well. Putting a proper steer tire on, goes a long way for lasting tires. Roadmaster has them for under $250, which is about what tires for a SRW with 20's cost. IT is the turning that sold me on the truck, I live off a narrow county road with ditches on either side, and the SRW SB would be nose in the ditch backing my trailer in, the LB would be even worse, but now, it skirts the ditch, that 8' makes a huge difference. There are some sacrifices you have to consider, the 4.30 gears are fuel hogs, and are needed for spinning those massive wheels, and a bit harsher ride, but still better than the SRW SB. That is really what it all comes down to between the two. If the larger turning radius works for you, the F-350 DRW is the better choice.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Both trucks are amazing, and if we didn't need the payload capacity of the F350 we would be in an F450! We think the turning radius is awsome, but I have never not been able to put this RV where I wanted it! I think you get used to the truck you have and learn how to make it work! With the 4:10 gears our effective ratio is the same when you factor in the difference in tire size! We think 18 mpg is amazing for a dually!
@wesalexander2693
2 жыл бұрын
Great video! We towed a 5th wheel with a 2017 F450 with ease. There are some fundamental differences between an F350 and F450, such as commercial grade tires, suspension and wider front axle. Both have the same or similar tow/capacity ratings, however with the wider front axle the F450 has a much tighter turning radius, quite surprising really for such a big truck, which is very useful in many of the tight campgrounds there are these days.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Both trucks are great and the turning radius is amazing on the F450! We wanted the F450 but because we teavel fulltime in our RV we needed the payload capacity of the F350!
@skoffco
Жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths The only reason why the payload is heavier on the F350 is because it’s a lighter truck. Both having to be within the 14,000 pound limit. But aside from technical numbers the F450 can carry handle more payload it’s just can’t be published because of the weight restrictions on that class of truck. Mainly the commercial grade tires, I think there is some difference in the axles that makes it a heavier truck.
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
@@skoffco It is still a class 3 truck rated at 14,000 gvwr! Both trucks are built on the same frame with the same suspension! Yes the F450 has tires and rims rated higher than 14k but you don't use the highest rating to determine what a machine is capable of! The F350 tires and rims are also capable of more than 14k but for some reason the F450 logic does not apply to the F350 only the F450 is capable of more than 14k!
@stevegabes146
Жыл бұрын
lets face it, my guess is 75%of the people who own these trucks and campers pay cash, in turn you could afforg to swap axles and add some fender flares for coverage if needed. and 99% of DOT doesnt stop non commerical vechiles so I would maybe through it out there that with good air bags or a kelderman systme Dot would prob not say much if you were a couple G's over....but if your a hotshot driver you better be under
@ictpilot
Жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths Also the F450 has bigger brakes.
@marksr1907
2 жыл бұрын
I'll choose under-rated and over-engineered every time. Love my F450.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
They're both great trucks! Can't go wrong with either one!
@jakethomas6583
Жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths turning radius on the 450 is so much better & that alone is worth it.
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
@@jakethomas6583 The turning radius is awesome but imagine telling people you bought a less capable truck because it turns! The point is if you need the payload the f350 is the better choice! If you don't the F450 is also a great choice!
@andrewslagle1974
3 ай бұрын
@@jakethomas6583 And the tire wear is way better with the 19.5 tires and the brakes are better the steering gear is bigger!the front frame1/2 is bigger ,same as chassis cab 450! .Your frame thing is wrong !
@patrickcooper1122
3 ай бұрын
@andrewslagle1974 what is "your frame thing"??
@jimmaltese8513
2 жыл бұрын
Great video as I own a 21 F450 Limited. #1 choice was the turning radius. And the beefed up brakes. It’s what ever package you can afford or find these days. Both 350 and 450 dually are great. Love those big hips on either one. I’m happy with my payload for what I tow. So carry on my friend. Get what’s suitable for you. Dislike when people bickering about mine is better. Choose what is better for you.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly I was very neutral about both because we did originally want the F450! But because of payload we needed the F350! Thats exactly right you should get the truck that best fits your needs!
@terrypetersen4039
2 жыл бұрын
It is correct both are great. I had both pickups but I prefer the larger brakes and turning radius. I travel to Montana from South Texas and back in the winter. Not to mention the wind through Wyoming. Drive through there in the winter heading back south. It even pushed my Ram 3500 drw to the side while driving 45 mph. The F450 held the ground in the cross wind. I only drive at a max 65 pulling out triple axle XLR Thunderbolt. It pulls amazing even up and over the big long Mountain over from Raton NV to Trinidad Colorado.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
@@terrypetersen4039 We also have the 4:10 in our truck making it the same max towing as the F450 so we know what you mean as we have pulled our RV all the way to Montana and back with no issues!
@jimmaltese8513
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths Actually the 2021 F450 Limited has 4.30 rear gear ratio
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
@@jimmaltese8513 All F450 have the 4:30 gear ratio! But an F350 with the 4:10 will have a higher max towing than the F450 because once you factor in the tire size they are esentially the ratio!
@turtle2498
2 жыл бұрын
WOW That's a lot of work putting the video together. Thanks to you, Phil, and Eric for all yalls time! No dog in this fight since I have a gmc sierra 3500 Denali on the way but that was a great comparison, still not giving up my 2004 F250 Crew Cab 4x4👍 No matter what the sticker is what the truck is legally rated, ask any lawyer 😉
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! It was a lot of work and a lot of fun! They are all great trucks and most likely all are capable of more than the 14K GVWR they are listed at! But I am a Ford Man!
@jwbranham2009
10 ай бұрын
You really nailed this topic and provided real world data with realtime opinions from you guys who have awesome rigs! Thank you for the hard work producing this and making sure it is interesting.
@PavingNewPaths
10 ай бұрын
Thank you! We are glad you enjoyed it!
@Cowboy1957
2 жыл бұрын
Depending on what you use the truck for....yes the f450 does turn sharper than the f350 (BUT) the biggest thing in my book is the wheels and tires and brakes on the f450. I've had both and will definitely stay with the f450 period! Yes the f350 can haul more weight than the f450 but hauling running is one thing but when it comes to stopping and handling your not going to beat the f450. That's my opinion I run the road pulling a 40ft gooseneck and yes I need the stopping power of the f450!
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Yes you definitely need the stopping power! If we weren't so heavy, we would have kept the 450 on our list when we were looking!
@Cowboy1957
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths yes sir it all depends on your usage! I was considering on another f350 just for weight difference but when you start decending those steep mountains yes and exhaust brake is a help but if you really need to get on the binders because of an accident or something out of the ordinary those big brakes make all the difference!
@kevinsigler6747
2 жыл бұрын
JD (The most humble KZitemr) told me to come over and subscribe! I was not disappointed, great job.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for coming we are glad you enjoyed the video! We are so grateful that JD watched our video and mentioned us on his channel!
@lcseds
2 жыл бұрын
JD Who?
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
@@lcseds JD is the guy that does the BTBRV channel!
@skoffco
Жыл бұрын
i’ve had a 2020 F350 DWR and now a 2022 F450. If I had my choice to do it all again, it would be the F450 every day, all day. I absolutely love this truck!! Don’t notice a major difference in the ride. It’s not mainly about it’s turning radius in campgrounds, it’s the turning radius when using that truck as your every day vehicle driving in and out of parking lots of towns and tight spaces.
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
Both trucks are great but the bigger Rv you have and more payload you require the F350 is the better choice! The F450 pickup is just a less capable F350! If you actually needed the payload and towing ove that you need the actual class 4 F450 or bigger not the F450 pickup version!
@skoffco
Жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths I get all that. The pin weight on my Grand Design Solitude is 3,155 lbs plus all other payload in the truck added together well within the limit of the F450. I’m simply saying for me having owned an F350 and now the F450 the turning radius is a big plus when using the vehicle as an every day driver when Unhitched from the camper. And I must say, the wide front fenders and axles look bad ass. 😛😛
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
The soltitude line up is well within the capability of the F450! I made this video because I meet so many F450 owners with RV'S as big as mine or bigger and they all claim they needed the F450 for the capacity! Thats jusy not true if you needed the capacity you would have gone with an F350 or the actual class 4 F450! I won't take away from the turning radius but at the end of the day your still driving a dually and therefore turning is one thing but actually fitting is another!
@wj2791
Жыл бұрын
I am in same exact shoes. I currently have 2020 F350 DRW and just ordered F450 Limited which will likely be ready in early 2023. How do you check air pressures? Did you add tire balancer?
@skoffco
Жыл бұрын
@@wj2791 i use a typical style air gauge used by class 8 truck drivers. It’s about a foot long and has a 45° angle chuck on the backside. Purchased it at a truckstop I think. For balancing I have installed Centro-Matic balancers on the front only.
@robertensign8786
Жыл бұрын
When you hot shot for a living, or actually use the truck for more than just hauling a camper to camp sites a few times a summer, the f450 is worth it. Turning around with a 35’ gooseneck with the f450 is 100x easier.
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
Except we travel fulltime and move this RV every 7 days and have for the last 3 years! I have never had the trailer hooked up and wished I could turn sharper! Imagine telling people your truck turns really good, but it actually has less towing and payload capacity because of it!
@nowweride3094
2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful Fords! But I'll stick to my commercial chassis, has more torque and power then I'll ever need and we will never wear it out! Oh and tons more room in it all for the same price too!
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
I would love to have an HDT! But we still need our truck to get around as a family of 5 when we go exploring!
@nowweride3094
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths we all have to do what's best for our families! That is what I love to see and hear other opinions which in turn helps others like me! 🇺🇸👍
@Ron-e2y
10 ай бұрын
The turning radius makes the F450 worth it to me.
@PavingNewPaths
10 ай бұрын
The turning radius is awesome, but imagine telling people you bought a truck because it could turn, and now because of that it is actually less capable!
@rigsnrvs
2 жыл бұрын
I have owned both and will keep going back to my 350. It works for what I need it to do.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
We will start with a 350 too as long as we are fulltiming and in such a heavy rv!
@enterprise59
Жыл бұрын
We've had our 2022 F350 now for a year towing a 42 foot 5th wheel, 2 axles. Yeah, sometimes I wish we'd gone with the 450, but I've learned how to drive it pretty good. Been in some very tight spots and making 1 or 2 adjustments isn't a big deal. I also know that the more options you add, the less you can haul, so we opted NOT to get the 4x4 and stuck with the XLT with the moon roof. The trucks done it's job superbly with just over 30k miles on her. Not sure why your F450 didn't have the upfitter switches, but the 22's came standard with them on the 450 from what we were told and saw. We love our truck, it does it's job and that's what matters.
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
The F350 is the better choice for towing these bigger RV's than the F450! The reason is the F450 pickup version is not actually a bigger more capable truck! It is just and F350 outfitted with some extra options that in turn make it a less capable truck in terms of Payload and also max towing if the F350 has a 4:10 rear end! The F450 is nice but if it has a bed on it you didn't get bigger better truck, you just got an optioned F350! Now there are a few out there that went with the actual F450 that is a class 4 truck and that one is a bigger and better truck! But it is a work truck and doesn't come with very nice creature comforts on the interior!
@badgerpa9
2 жыл бұрын
You can get the GM with an AVAIL. MAX GVWR 23,500 lbs. The AVAIL. MAX GCWR 37,000 lbs. So it allows more payload but caps out the towing with the GCWR. Don't know all the Texas laws but I can tow a camper and since it is all personal use not for pay it is not CDL. If you get payed to tow then you would be CDL. Some states are more restrictive. Truck I had licensed dual use farm years ago I had to stay under the ag rules for weight not the CDL unless I transported interstate then I fell under CDL. People need to download the state drivers license and vehicle license regulations for their state and talk to the DMV or DOT with any questions they have. I still have people that say my truck with air brakes requires a CDL and there is no state law on air brakes in the state I have it licensed. Air brakes is part of the CDL test but not the state law for non commercial. There is so much confusing information given by dealerships even that it can really be confusing if you do not read the regs for your state to see what you need to do. Move up to a Medium Duty truck if you are towing heavy all the time is safer.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
In Texas anything over 26,000lbs requires me to get a Class A Non CDL! If I was for hire, I would have to have a CDL! It is a really easy process you take a written exam and go do a driving test with your rig! I made the video to show that the RV's nowadays are getting so big they are outgrowing the trucks! A 20,000lb RV is at the upper limits of what an F350 and an F450 can handle! If you're going bigger it's time to get away from the Class 3 truck and get truck that is rated for more than 14K!
@badgerpa9
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths I agree when you are getting up to the 20K at least a medium duty truck is better. Most of the people that use a HDT or class 8 truck for pulling their RV get there vehicle plates and drivers license in South Dakota, no CDL or nonCDL class A is needed.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
I would actually really like a Freightliner sport chassis, but it would make our adventuring a lot more challenging!
@badgerpa9
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths International has a Medium duty line that is not to big but would not have the horsepower you have now. They even have a blackcherry interior that looks pretty nice. Not the 6500 GM truck, I don't remember the model, I got to look one over about a year ago that was pulling a toy hauler.
@michaelfinley9988
2 жыл бұрын
I own a 2020 F450 Limited that I upgraded from an F250. I tow a 14k 5th wheel which was right at the limit of the F250. The F450 tows and stops this rig with much more confidence. I did upgrade the fuel tank from a 48 gallon tank to a 68 gallon tank (love this upgrade). I went with a 20k Reese gooseneck and ball setup for a number of reasons. I have access to to my full bed. Saves on the payload weight and for me, the gooseneck seemed much more confidence inspiring when hooking up than a king pin and 5th wheel hitch (no tug test needed). I will say one draw back to the F450 are the 19.5” commercial tires. They tend to track the grooves and ruts in the road which can be nerve wracking. Also limited options on tires and places to purchase and install ( you can’t just go to a Discount Tire). Also no TPMS option from factory on F450, I bought an after market TPMS system for truck and rig. Overall I love my F450.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
We think the F450 is a great truck! For us we would have been over 14K with our set up that is why we went with the F350! We needed the payload capacity, since we travel fulltime as a family of 5, we are never going to be any lighter than we are now! We love the B and W as it is the easiest and best fifth wheel hitch on the market when it comes to hitching and unhitching no matter what angle! You also can never have a false positive connection as it will not lock unless it is right! It also allows me more adjustments as far as ride height and bed position when dialing in the ride! We think whatever truck works for you is the right truck!
@dave4347
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for being so thorough, great video! I gotta say, those 19 in wheels alone are pulling me to the F450!
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
The F450 is an awesome truck and the rims really seal the deal for it! Each truck has different capacities and as long as your understand what they are you should get the truck that works best for you!
@Scout819
Жыл бұрын
Made a lot of good points- there are people who are thinking 450 vs 350 and probably think "Oh, 4 > 3, 450's obviously the way to go!" But it's not that simple. Something else to consider(That I've noticed quite a few people forget) is that the numbers advertised(AND in the towing guides) are for base model trucks. As you implied when you were talking about both trucks being overloaded with 20' campers, and their being bigger campers out there- your Lariats, King Ranches, Platinums, etc can't (legally) tow the same amount of weight as say, an XL. So like you said, your options are to either move to a beefier truck(commercial truck territory), or give up some of those creature comforts and go down to a Lariat or better yet(for payload), XLT or XL, where you'll then be well within the limits on both trucks(But on longer trips I don't blame people wanted more creature comforts lol)
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
glad you liked the video! This is why wr made it most belive the F450 is bigger because the number, when infact it is smaller, in terms of towing capacity and payload! It is true the less option truck can do the most work! We have basically maxxed out our F350 platinum with a 20k trailer! If we went bigger we would need more truck!
@5th-wheeler330
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! I went from a 2012 F-450 King Ranch to a 2019 F-350 XLT about 2 years ago. I do miss the 450’s turning radius, but the ride was brutal. I’ll take the 350 for the ride alone any day. My concern with all the manufacturers and all the weight numbers is this: how many people new or relatively new to RVing are buying trailers based on that 30,000+ pound towing capacity the manufacturers claim? Keep me away from the person towing that 26k# Luxe with an F-350!!! I’m in my 20th year towing full-profile 5th wheels - and I learn something from every video you publish. Keep it up!
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
First thank you for the compliments! We wanted the F450 but the math never worked out for us! No matter what we did we would always be overweight on the truck! We went with the F350 because we needed the payload capacity! Most people don't realize that you can max out an F350 and an F450 with a 20,000lb trailer! You will run out of your payload capacity well before you get to the max towing numbers as RV's are very pin heavy! If you have a LUXE you better show up with a class 4 or 5 truck! I think you would be overweight with the trailer empty!
@25torgeir
2 жыл бұрын
2012 F450 and 2020 F450 are oranges and apples
@billz410
11 ай бұрын
This has gotta be the best get-down-to-the-facts video between these two trucks, with indisputable data to back it up. Very well done.
@PavingNewPaths
11 ай бұрын
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video!
@lincolnspangler93
2 жыл бұрын
The F450 is essentially a Medium Duty truck that Ford stuck in a light duty class. If Ford were to rate it properly many states would consider it commercial. That's why the F450 has a lower payload rating. it weighs more, but the GCVW can't exceed 14500 pounds. it's all a numbers game for taxes and registrations.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
They F450 is built on the same Frame with the same rear leaf springs and the same rear axle housing! While I won't disagree the tires and wheels can support more weight than the F350 the bottom line is they are built on the same bones and are both Class 3 trucks! It is not a numbers game it was a way sell a higher trim F350 that they call an F450! The real F450 is a Class 4 truck rated at 16,500lbs!
@kevinbarry71
2 жыл бұрын
Nonsense. It just allows guys like you to think so.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
@@kevinbarry71 No it allows guys like you to feel ok about overloading your truck!
@kevinbarry71
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths I think you misunderstand. I was replying to the original poster. I would never overload a truck. The previous guy thought he could do that with a 450
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
@@kevinbarry71 I am sorry I did mis read your comment!
@rogergraves242
9 ай бұрын
They both ride smooth.
@PavingNewPaths
9 ай бұрын
F350 is smoother because the 19.5 commerical tires are stiff!
@mbrown1519
2 жыл бұрын
First of all I want to say that was an excellent job you guys did and the numbers don't lie. Here's where I see the differences in the trucks if we're talking safety, starting at the ground the 350 has 10 ply tires the 450 has 14 ply tires you are nowhere near the Max capacity of the tires on the 450. Then let's go to the brakes the brakes are a lot larger on the 450 and yes the 350 can stop the trailer and truck but if your trailer comes unplugged or wires pinched on the trailer and you lose the brakes on the trailer the f-450 comes into play immediately safety Factor. As far as looks well I like the looks of the 19.5 in rims over the 17-in rims that right there friends is worth a dollar 2.98 at least. Well until you replace the tires and I can say that with experience I just put two michelin's on the front of my 2020 F450 $962 for two. I've been towing a Weekend Warrior toy hauler that is a 49 footer with a 17 ft garage and yes it's 49 ft. Let's just say it might have taken you more than two tries to back my trailer in that spot with a F350. I've had a few 450s I had a 2008 put 160,000 miles on. 2010 put 150,000 miles on it and it blew the engine. A 2016 and put 86,000 miles on it traded it in on a 2020 and it just rolled over 50,000 miles on it. I almost forgot the reason I was going with the 450s is the height of the bed rails my weekend warrior was a 2009 doesn't have the ground clearance the newer trailers have the 450 compared to the 350 the edge of the bed was pretty close to 3 in lower the Chevy was like 5 in taller and the Dodge was six or seven inches taller which made those not work with the trailer I have. The place she should have really compared to 350 and the 450 is in the Safeway parking lot once again that's where the 450 shines.I really do think you guys did a great job but one truck doesn't fit all jobs.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Here is more numbers for you the rear tires on the F350 combined have a load capacity of 11,640lbs so they far exceed the rear axle rating of 9900lbs! The new trucks with the 10 speed, when in Tow mode with the exhaust brake on do such a great job of handling these trailers that I hardly ever rely on my brakes to do much but come to a complete stop! I do agree the 19.5 rims are way better looking than the 17's! We had issues with our RV and bedrail clearances when we first got it, and we ended up changing the pinbox on the RV to fix the issue! I will say the F450 is better for daily driving, but we have taken the F350 all over the place and the only time we have had problems was not because of turning, but more because maybe a dually shouldn't be there!
@williamreigart4998
2 жыл бұрын
The F450 are 1.2 inch bigger on the back and 1inches bigger on the front. This is to compensate for the taller heavier tires. Overall braking power between the 2 trucks is the same. The taller heavier 19.5 inch tires take more brakes to stop.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
@@williamreigart4998 Good point!
@jamielancaster01
6 ай бұрын
That 450 is gorgeous
@PavingNewPaths
6 ай бұрын
Yes, it is!
@prestonbroxson8161
Жыл бұрын
I've had both and we rodeo all over the US. Love the test, but now that I've had the 450, I'll never go back to a 350. The turning does it for me, along with the deeper gearing. It pulls as easily as my last 350 with was tuned and deleted. I see better fuel mileage with this stock 450 vs my stock 350. For me, I like the brakes, turning radius and the gearing. I've now had 2 different friends that have ordered 450s after driving mine.
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
I think maybe if the F350 didn't have the 4:10 there might have been more of a difference in the trucks! But an F350 with that rear end will out pull and have more payload than the F450! We wanted the F450 and were disappointed to learn that it is only a class 3 truck and because of the extra weight it is less capable than the F350! Now if they would make a true class 4, F450 with a bed and nice trims that would be the way to go!
@andrewslagle1974
3 ай бұрын
Your 100% correct i have had the same experiance!And the 19.5 tires last way longer!
@switz11
Жыл бұрын
Ford needs to bring back the Wide-Track front end on the F350
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
I would love the wide track front end on the F350!
@PHMadness
2 жыл бұрын
When I bought my F450 it was a purchase of opportunity. I was shopping for a dually of any flavor and coming up empty. I found this 2019 F450 Lariat with only 16k miles on it for a good price. That said, I do love this truck. PS: you DID add the Companion hitch weight twice when adding your 490lbs to the F450 scale weight, that weight included his hitch.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
We took the weight of both trucks the way they were scaled so the F450 had full fuel, passengers and the companion hitch when we weighed it for a total of 9880Lbs. We also had the scale slip of the F350 with full fuel passengers the companion and all the other accessories I have added to the truck for a total of 9840 lbs. After scaling them with full fuel, passengers and all the components we found the F450 was only 40 lbs. heavier than the F350 and that is because all my accessories I added brought my truck up to almost the same weight as the F450! (Remember they both have the companions in the truck when we scaled them) So in order to figure out how much all my stuff weighs including the hitch (I only reference the hitch because the turnover ball hitch will weigh more than the puck style hitch and I wanted to include that weight difference) my toolbox, bed cover, air system and air bags we can use the payload capacity from each truck because the payload is the difference between the weight of the truck and the max GVWR of 14,000lbs. The F350 payload is 5375lbs and the F450 payload is 4845 leaving a difference of 530lbs. So stock for stock the F450 should weigh 530lbs more than the F350 but since we have added accessories and upgrades, the F450 was only 40lbs heavier that the F350. They were both scaled with their own companion hitches installed and the weight was accounted for. My accessories including the hitch (because there is a difference in the base plate on the turnover ball vs the puck system) my tool box, bedcover, air system, and air bags all equal 490lbs of things I have added to the truck! So If I were to own and F450 I would be an additional 490lbs heavier as I would have all the same components installed!
@sunnygolden2240
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing this video. I'm purchasing a F350 diesel for pulling my 5th wheel. Total maxed out about 16,000lb. Some say not a diesel but I feel the diesel does a better job of towing. Thanks again for the video. You give it for the real people out there. Hug the kids.
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Glad you liked the video! Diesel will cost you more in maintenance and fuel, but I would never tow with a gas, especially if I was planning to tow alot!
@brentmcmahon8188
3 ай бұрын
The diesel or at least my 5.8 cummins will average out to 13 miles per gallon and it pulls like a mule at 1950?rpms and a gas motor would be 8 miles per gallon and the diesel would blow past that gas truck turning 5 grand rpm’s and the diesel just running at 1950 rpm’s and that’s where your fuel mileage comes from .
@brentmcmahon8188
3 ай бұрын
5.9 da
@Arabian1967Knight
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. Just what I needed to see. If I want more maneuverability I will get the 450, but if I want more payload it will be the 350. I'm thinking if I go with the 17K RV I may go with the 450, but if I ever think a 20K is in my future. I might as well get the 350. Since I don't have experience with driving dually's and it may prove to be a benefit for just general parking without a trailer. The 450 may just be the winner. Thanks again.
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
Both great trucks, we wanted the F450 but since we travel fulltime, our truck and the RV are both very heavy! We would have exceeded the payload of the F450 and been overweight all the time! We had to lose some weight in our RV when we first started to get our weight within the limits of the truck and the trailer!
@tedtitmus8900
Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed your video and your comparisons. Unfortunately, I believe you missed several important points. I bought my F450 for a number reasons that most people have not pointed out. Something I found everyone seems to miss. The BRAKES on the F450 are so much better and bigger from a safety perspective and have fewer problems. Next, the wheels and tires are also a huge issue from a safety point of view. The brakes will stop you so much better in your time of need, then then ones equipped, on the F350. The tires will last much longer and take so much more abuse than the 17” version. I know the manufacturer only uses the 17” to comply with the government fuel Regulation and cost. Even with the 19” setup, I immediately change out the rotors and pads. By the way, the 19” tires are the biggest contributor to the rough ride. There are several other positive reasons to buy the F450 that I’ll write about later, or if someone out there is well-versed on the subject, I would love to hear their views. Ted
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
I will agree the F450 is a nice truck and we wanted one! However if you pull a big heavy RV the F350 is the better choice! I also love how every F450 owner will defend the truck based on the brakes the tires and rims! The tires and rims on the F350 are rated for more than 14k as well so it is an irrelevant point! The brakes also don't matter because everyone that tows knows the truck stops the truck and the trailer stops the trailer! The bottom line is your F450 pickup truck is just a marketing ploy by ford to get you to spend more money for a less capable F350! If you wanted an F450 you should have bought the actual F450 class 4 truck rated at 16k!
@1980zz4
2 жыл бұрын
You created a very informative video describing the differences between the F350 and F450...excellent work. Regardless, it doesn't do much to explain how much better the turning radius and brakes are on the F450. The turning radius is huge in everyday travel with the trailer behind the truck. Parking lots, keeping the trailer away from curbs when turning right...so much easier. I updated from the F350 to an F450 to pull our Momentum for these reasons. A bonus is the commercial tires. I get that the payload capacity is more on the F350. Fully loaded, I'm very near my maximum on my trailer. Given a few hundred pounds difference between the two trucks doesn't justify giving up the braking and turning radius for me (IMO) as these are much more important when it comes to the safety of me and my family. We all pick what works best for us and that's what makes our country great. I hate the mine is better than yours mentality. You have a great looking outfit. Best wishes to you and safe traveling always.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I really made this to show that the F450 and the F350 are the same truck! They are just different variations of a Class 3 Ford dually! We wanted the F450 but knew we would be 600 plus lbs. overweight at the very minimum once we had the rig loaded down! The F350 is more capable when it comes to the payload side of things so that is what we went with! I will agree the turning is nice, but we have never not put our camper somewhere because we couldn't turn!
@rcharliebrown3591
2 жыл бұрын
Not all of us camp with another person…I’m a solo camper 👍
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
The purpose of the video was which truck is the better choice for the big 20,000lb and up RV's! It's a pretty safe bet that if some one owns a triple axle, 44ft. toyhauler they are likely not doing it alone!
@rcharliebrown3591
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths well pull an 18,000:GVRW trailer with an F-450 solo for 2:years now coast to coast and north to south. But retired 2020 and divorced 23 years ago…enjoying life as it comes.
@DeltaKilo77
2 жыл бұрын
F-450 because it turns better, and better breaking. But that is more important to me.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
They are both great trucks! it is important the get the right truck for your needs! We needed the payload capacity so we have the F350!
@brdiesel7288
Жыл бұрын
Got an '17 F-350 XLT and pulled out RV's from Indiana for a couple of years...After 360K miles, all I can say, is the only problem is the turning radius. Besides that...All good...
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
The F350 is the best truck to have if you need to handle the heavy pin weight of the big fifthwheels! Get it with a 4:10 rearend and it can out tow the F450 as well! Turning is fine when I am towing, I have never been pulling our 44ft trailer and wished I could turn sharper! It would be nice to have the turning when driving in town without the trailer!
@Merica_dadgarage
2 жыл бұрын
I have a 2016 F350 platinum dually diesel. It has the wide track frt axle and a 4:30 rear gear. From what I hear they only made these in 2015 and 2016. I found the unicorn:::)))
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
You do have the unicorn it's called the Tow Boss! As soon as they decided to sell a non-commercial rated F450 they stopped making the F350 with the wide track front end!
@Merica_dadgarage
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths problem is I have a F450 that’s been on order FOREVER!!! And can’t decide if I just wanna keep this truck….. ugh
@Merica_dadgarage
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths as soon as I saw this video I was like yup need to see this!!!!!
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
It was interesting making the video because they are so similar I expected there to be a huge difference! When I factored in the extra weight from all my accessories I added to my truck the F450 would be way over 14K. Not everyone travels like us but because of that the F350 is the better choice! I was interesting to see that a 20k trailer will max out both of these trucks!
@LuisRodriguez-qg8ci
2 жыл бұрын
I REALLY!! REALLY!! REALLY!! LOVE THE END!!!!😎
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
It didn't take much to convince him to come make fun of some Ford guys!
@Cla55clown
2 жыл бұрын
god I wish GM made a version of the Ford F-450. Love that turning radius and upgraded brakes!
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
I will say it is nice that the F450 is still a pick up truck! The 4500 and 5500 trucks just become so big and unusable for everyday life!
@emeraldmorningmist
2 жыл бұрын
If Ford would put that turning radius on the F-350 I wonder if it would increase sales. In fact, put that same radius on all their super duty trucks.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
@@emeraldmorningmist I feel the wide track should at least be an option for all models!
@JeepCherokeeful
2 жыл бұрын
They do!
@JeepCherokeeful
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths a wide track f350 dually would be great!
@jandblawncare8570
2 жыл бұрын
You cant argue with what's printed on a door sticker but the 450's have bigger, heavier rate axles and larger brakes which is a fact and my guess a 450 has the same rated axles, brakes and actual numbers as the 550's do (19,000gvwr) just de-rated for consumer sales. I'll take my 450 over a 350 just because of that and gotta love the turning radius! We towed our 44ft 5th wheel with it for the first time a couple weeks ago and the towing was a big improvement over our 350 SRW but where it shined was the tight roads in the camp ground, trying to navigate trees and tight turns would have required several re-do's with any other truck.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
I won't argue that they don't have upgraded components! But for the sake of a discussion on this if the F450 with its upgraded tires and rims, the larger axle shafts and 10 bolt hubs is rated for more than 14K so is the F350! They are built on the same frame with the same rear leaf springs! They also have the same axle housing just different shafts and hubs! The tires and rims for the F350 are also rated close to 12K! So, if were just throwing around ideas here and the F450 is really rated closer to 19K then the F350 is probably closer to 16,500! These are just our opinions though and when I made the video, I knew I couldn't use my opinion I had to use facts and data! Because of that, I used the door stickers and the ratings the truck was given by Ford for the video and it's also the reason we went with the F350 over the F450! We needed payload capacity! I will say there are a few times I would have liked the turning radius in campgrounds!
@mikealfieri641
2 жыл бұрын
Lil baby Ford's. Get a F600, real payload.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
These baby Fords are very capable and still small enough to daily drive! When we decide to step up a Freightliner Sports Chassis is up there on the list!
@mikealfieri641
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths I wish my interior was nice :) 22k is nice though. I got a tank on my f600 cc. I got the 7.3 Godzilla motor. It does great max payload. The steering radius is great for what it is.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
@@mikealfieri641 I hear great things about that new 7.3 gasser! It would be hard to give up the power and tq of these 6.7 diesels they have now! Having 22k GVWR would be amazing!
@crrc4s
11 күн бұрын
IMO the f550 is the way to go. Better truck hands down in every way. RV’s end up weighting a lot more than people think and being over weight capacity is not safe. The 550 is made on a stronger frame l, has better breaks, the same steering as the 450 and more fuel capacity.
@PavingNewPaths
5 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@JeepCherokeeful
2 жыл бұрын
Braking and stability is a bonus on the F450 when loaded with the largest of slide in campers!
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Yes with a a truck bed camper the upraded brakes would benefit you! Stability I'm not sure I can buy into that!
@dam4274
2 жыл бұрын
A couple here on KZitem upgraded to the F450 because of it’s turning ability, wider stance, better highway stability and with bigger brakes, better stopping power.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
The F450 is an awesome truck, and all those features are nice! But if you have a big RV the payload capacity of the F350 will likely be better suited for your application!
@OOMAN
2 жыл бұрын
😂 Loved the intro! 😂 I went with the F-450 (2019) primarily because of the wide-track front suspension. The 8' difference on turning radius does not sound like a lot if you haven't driven one, until you get into a tight spot. What I gave up was some mpg's because of the 4.30 rear end being the only option, stupid expensive tires (19.5") with limited selection for replacement, and a little bit of ride comfort. I don't ever plan on towing more than my 24k (30' flat bed I have for work) or my 20k Seismic, so I would have got the 4.11 or even 3.73 rear end if it was an option. From what I understand, the F-450 is actually derated to keep it at 14,000#, which prevents it from going into a commercial truck class. The capacity is lower because the bigger brakes & suspension components are heavier than the F-350. I believe there is a difference in the front frame as well. The loaded driving roughness on the F-450 improves a lot when you put air bags on it. You can't go wrong with either truck. In the end, unless you need max. towing/payload capacity, it's just a matter of personal preference, and are you willing to give up some mpg's for the wide-track suspension. The only thing I can say you were totally wrong about is.....I GO RV'ing BY MYSELF !!! 😆 Great side-by-side real world comparison!!!
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I tried to have fun with it since it's a hot topic in the RV world! They are both great trucks and the turning radius is pretty awesome! The problem with the big RV's is you will run out of payload capacity well before you ever reach the max towing capacity of these trucks! We were about to get an F450, and the math never checked out for us to not be over 14,000lbs. on the truck! That is why we went with the F350 we knew how heavy our camper would be living in it full time! (For this video we tried to max the RV weight out but normally we are about 500lbs less when living in it) In the end if you max these trailers out at 20K you are at the upper limits of both of the trucks! The bigger RV's if loaded down need bigger trucks!
@OOMAN
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths I always cringe when I see guys pulling big trailers, especially ANY triple axles, with SRW trucks, or telling people in the forums/groups “It’s fine! I’ve been doing it for years!” Then they like to call anyone that is telling folks how to do it right, the tow police. I just tell ‘em, It’s fine!!!…until it’s not…
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
That is true the tow police guys usually are the ones that doing it wrong! There is no way a triple axle toyhauler should ever be pulled by a SRW truck! I heard a saying once that if your trailer has 6 tires your truck better have 6 tires!
@alextrainor2552
2 жыл бұрын
Wide track front suspension? Come on dude....
@OOMAN
2 жыл бұрын
@@alextrainor2552 You've obviously never had to pull a big trailer into tight spots.....😂
@AndTodaysProjectIs
Жыл бұрын
I REALLY like the end comments on "you CAN overload these trucks LEGALLY". There are so many people out there who have no idea that they are out there technically illegally. None of them will find out till they get into a major accident and the right lawyer gets hold of them and that info. We have one of those bottom feeder lawyers here in Houston who makes his and other douchebag's livings on truck and rig accidents so this is not just fear-talk. Great work on the video.
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it! I wanted to make it to show that the number on the side of the truck doesn't mean bigger and better when it comes to the F450! I love how they all say its just derated on paper and can haul way more than 14K!
@davefisher6968
2 жыл бұрын
With the exception of the leather seats, both heated and cooled, plus adaptive cruise control everything shown in these trucks is available in the XLT.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Which would actually be the better choice in both models as they would have better payload numbers!
@brentmcmahon8188
10 ай бұрын
If you buy a new 450 or 550 if you register it as a RV insurance will be cheap and if you have truck camper you show them your RV and with a 5 th wheel the same if you don’t do this they register it ac a commercial truck and insurance will be really high. So don’t forget .
@PavingNewPaths
10 ай бұрын
That really depends on the State! Here in Texas we couldn't get a class 3, F450 the one that is rated at 14k GVWR insured on a personal plan! Let alone the actual Class 4, F450 or the Class 5, F550! We almost changed our residency over this as we wanted the F450, that is until we realized the the F450 with a bed isn't a bigger truck at all! So we got the F350 and stayed Texans!
@25torgeir
2 жыл бұрын
F-450 is the King 💪and it also looks a lot better. 🙂
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
The F450 is a very nice truck and we wanted one! But the numbers don't lie it is not as capable as the F350 when it comes to handling the pin weight of the Big Toyhaulers! Also the F350 with a 4:10 rearend has a higher max towing capacity than the F450!
@wj2791
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths 14000 lbs rated GVWR is not accurate for F450.. It should be much higher. F450 will be safer with bigger brakes alone. I currently drive F350 Dually 6.7 and have stopped quickly with carrying about 3500 lbs and felt it needed more braking power. I am looking into getting 2023 F450 once the order bank opens up.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
@@wj2791 The F450 is a class 3 vehicle with a GVWR of 14,000lbs! You can find this info on the door sticker of the F450 pickup version! The F450 cab and chassis model is a class 4 vehicle rated at 16,500lbs!
@tripd4949
Жыл бұрын
The F450 is basically just a package of an F350 but imo it's worth it.
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
Your exactly right it is a package for the F350! If you don't need the payload sure the turning radius is awesome, the commercial tires and rims are sweet and the bigger brakes will likely last longer! But if you need payload all those things take away from that because they are both class 3 trucks!
@henrysanders5319
2 жыл бұрын
Black truck is better
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
I think so to but I am a little bias! They are both great trucks but you have to know which one is right for you!
@lorettagarrett4247
2 жыл бұрын
Great video!! Love the ending!! Go Ram !!! Lolo
@insaneTrout
Жыл бұрын
I'd say that the backing test is more of a driver deal than a truck thing. The 350 could have done it in one shot. Sure, the 450 made it easier, but not a necessity to get it in there in 1 shot. At least in this instance.
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
100% it is a driver thing, That is why I had him do it! I back in that spot all the time and know how to set it up! His first attempt I said why don't you try that again, you set up like it was going to turn like your F450 and it's not! It was interesting to see, especially when I did back it up, I didn't even use the turning radius as I am used to how the F350 maneuvers and set the truck up that way!
@VetSemperFi
Жыл бұрын
Other considerations $worth$ mentioning before deciding is insurance cost of both trucks AND if you do exceed the weight ratings of truck, camper, or both AND have an accident, you'll have no insurance and can lose everything!
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
Insurance was another big reason we went away from the F450! Not only would we be overweight the insurance at least in Texas was double that of an F350!
@jkxtreme
Ай бұрын
Excellent video... I have a F350 but wanted a F450. From this video I don't need a F450.
@PavingNewPaths
Ай бұрын
I wanted an F450 so bad as well, but once you realize the one with the bed is not a real F450 why would you pay more for an F350! By all means if you need an F450 get one but the real one comes as a cab and chassis model and is not available in a higher trim level!
@marlofranklin4613
2 жыл бұрын
By far the best vid I’ve seen with the comparison. Great job!!! Keep these great vids coming!!
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@jaredpotter7789
11 ай бұрын
We have a 39 foot toy hauler up here in Alaska and its payload is 17,500ish. It is absolutely the longest possible camper you would want and still be able to find a spot big enough in most campgrounds. I would think the f450 would make life a little easier and possibly be able to fit in a few more spots.
@PavingNewPaths
11 ай бұрын
The F450 is a nice rig but since it is a class 3 truck if you have a 20k or bigger RV you will likely be overweight! I have also never had my trailer hooked up and wished I could turn sharper, it's very mich the opposite! Most of the time I wish i could turn bigger because I need the room for my trailer to make it!
@oreospeedwaggindoesamerica6078
2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed watching the differences and not some differences. They must have thought WTH are they doing at the campground!? Lol
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
My wife said the same thing! They already think I am crazy because I have been working on my RV and talking to the camera! Now I show up with two trucks and we just keep hooking it up and doing circles around the park!
@oreospeedwaggindoesamerica6078
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths Lmao 😂
@BentFabrications
Жыл бұрын
Real world pulling a trailer cross country full time, the brake upgrades and commercial tires on that 450 are a bigger deal than you've talked about.
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
While i will say those are nice features! The added benefit of them takes away from the capacity of the truck! If they would make the pick up version a class4 truck rated at 16,500gvwr I would agree! However in the class 3 form the F450 pu is nothing more than an F350 that is less capable
@thewhiskeycowboy-official
10 ай бұрын
Great video. That aside, the comments section shows that no matter the truth, or numbers, folks will get what they want and then justify their purchase; regardless of facts. ;) Both ARE good/great trucks though. I think for most, either will work more than fine... it's on the extremes that things become more crucial (and that was really your point). Cheers!
@PavingNewPaths
10 ай бұрын
Thank you finally someone gets the point of the video! I never said the F450 wasn't a good truck, I love it and wanted one but the more I did my homework the more I started to realize that it wouldn't work for me! I think the majority like myself see the 4 and think it's a bigger truck! When in reality it is not, Ford just convinced you to pay more for an F350 with some options on it! That is all I wanted to show, that the 4 doesn't mean bigger!
@jeffslater2133
Жыл бұрын
The Purpose of the Video was to show that Eric is a better truck driver 😊
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
Eric actually drove 95% of the time in this video, someone has to film!
@brianscheuerman519
Жыл бұрын
I know i am a bit late to the party here, but loved this video. Perfect timing for me as i am on a search for a DRW Truck. Love the channel, and thanks for the hard work that went into making this.
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! We really enjoyed making this video, and it was a lot of work, but it was also a lot of fun and hopefully we were able to shine some light on the actual numbers of both of the trucks for you!
@mtvjackass74
Жыл бұрын
Im not a Ford guy, but those new Fords coming out are sick!!!! I love the front end and the headlights!!!
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
I do like them, even if they give me chevy vibes with the grill and the side steps in the bed!
@richardbowles7690
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for spending so much time on a GREAT VIDEO. A must watch for everyone deciding between F350 and F450 for RV use. #F350 #F450 #towingRV
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching and the kind words! This video took a lot of time and effort to set up and film, but we feel it was worth it in the end!
@rogeryoung2049
2 жыл бұрын
Buy a Kenworth. Better for pulling those large trailers and has a real frame with a Cummins and an Allison or a Eaton 6 speed stick shift. T 300 probably not too far off the price of a F 450
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Now your talking but if I am going to do it, I am going all out! A W900 or a Flat Top Pete is what I would have!
@OurRoundaboutLife
2 жыл бұрын
I have been researching the differences in the F450 & F350 for almost a year now and this is by far the best video out there on actual comparisons. Thank you so much and great video. We are waiting on the order banks to open up in October to order our new F450. We will be upgrading to the Grand Design Solitude 390RK once we get the truck. We went to a dealership a while back to drive both a F350 & F450 to compare for ourselves. Even the dealer made the comment that the F450 had more cargo capacity and I had to correct him that actually it had less since it weighed more. But your video helped me be more confident in our decision on which one to go with. Keep up the great work and we hope to see you on the road somewhere soon.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! All the videos I have ever seen are just talking or they do truck vs. truck testing! I have never seen one where they take both and F350 and an F450 and hook them to trailer and show you the numbers! We wanted the F450, but the math told us we would be overweight with our RV, so we got the F350! They are both great trucks, but you have to understand they have different limitations! Thanks for watching and I am glad you enjoyed the video!
@OurRoundaboutLife
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths yes there are very few people that say and realize there is a weight capacity difference. So glad you showed that in real world towing of a fifth wheel camper. Luckily our 5th wheel maxes out at 16,800 lbs GVWR so we should be good on the F450. But I’m glad you showed for your application you needed the F350. Hopefully this will help a lot of others be able to make informed decisions.
@mbrown1519
2 жыл бұрын
Please read my opinion on the F450 I've had four of them I left my opinion in the the group message
@coreyhutchinson4033
2 жыл бұрын
Well, it should have said. "Don't Buy a pickup. The cab and chassis truck's with give you heavier suspensions for almost $20k less than the "pickup" version for the same truck minus leather.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
I could have but I wanted to make the point to the F450 pickup guys that they do not own an F450! Instead they bought an F350 with some upraded features that make it less capable! If they really needed the F450 they would have bought the class 4 truck!
@scottythebody0811
2 жыл бұрын
Best comparison video out there. Thanks for posting.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
@scottythebody0811
2 жыл бұрын
@@TonyBenton0728 Yes, I have seen them. I still feel this was the best comparison. You do you.
@gerrycole4348
6 ай бұрын
I owned a ford 2018 limited Edition F450. The insurance was over the top because it jumped up into a higher class. The wheels are different front to rear and the spar tire will not go on both. You can not put air bags on the F450. I now own a Limited edition 2019 F350. The spare tire on the 350 fits both front and rear. The F350 can take air bags and the insurance is much more reasonable. ( still not cheap). I did like the fact the 2018 had a CD player and that option is no longer available. I liked listening to auto books on long trips.
@PavingNewPaths
6 ай бұрын
You must have had the actual Class 4, F450 and that is a totally different animal! The video was about the F450 that comes with a bed on it! It is essentially and F350 with some options on it that make it a less capable F350! If you get this version it is still a class 3 truck, and they sell airbag kits for it as well!
@saras4181
2 жыл бұрын
Great video! It was a lot of work! Hope everyone is well and getting excited to hit the road again!
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! We had a lot of fun filming this one, there was a lot that went into this one! We are actually packing up now getting ready to hit the road soon! The adventure videos will be just around the corner!
@billg7750
Жыл бұрын
Best video comparison I’ve seen. We’ll done. 👍
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@skeim5620
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video,thank you
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@seanbhaney
10 ай бұрын
This is an excellent comparison. Now, if someone would only do a F250 vs F350 comparison to show all the peeps that towing a 40ft toyhauler weighing 17,000 lbs is NOT a good idea for someone who thinks their 3/4 ton will do it safely. We bought a Weekend Warrior back in 2005, and 8 days later went from a fully Banks'd F250 to a 2005 F350 dually, and it was the best thing for us. The F350 was much more stable, the braking was much better, and I wouldn't even dream of towing with a F250 with the larger toyhaulers. Yet, there are so many out there.
@PavingNewPaths
10 ай бұрын
Thank you! I will go farther and say one shouldn't be towing a trailer this size with a SRW F350 either! We made a video showing how to weigh your set up, and at almost full weight on the trailer my dually is at max capacity! Check it out here kzitem.info/news/bejne/u6xs3aaMg4enqoY
@tedsheldon11
2 жыл бұрын
You are on the money with this! Pin weight may be under payload but how it transfers may change that. Great video best one I have seen in this topic. I have an old 350 that is at 12500 gvw and 20000. We are right at the edge of being over.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I really wanted to show that the F350 and the F450 are basically the same truck! The F450 has some upgraded options but, they make it a less capable truck and we showed that with the scale slips! We wanted the F 450, but the math would not work as we knew we would be over 14K on the truck when loaded down for fulltime living! Also, it made us realized that a 20,000 lb trailer if loaded will max out both trucks!
@tedsheldon11
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths sorry everyone badgering you! Love your content and if you roll through south Mississippi again.....we'll feed ya right and make ya fat!
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
@@tedsheldon11 Thank you Ted!
@flyingdutchman7585
8 ай бұрын
I have the best 09 F350 on the road...that's I pulled that POS 6.4 out of it and put in a 6.7 Cummins....it is a beast and does great off road or on the highway. It is SRW and I use it to haul my 2015 Northern Lite Truck Camper...been using it for 7 years now 7 months out of the year and it carries that TC like it was built for it.
@PavingNewPaths
8 ай бұрын
The 6.0 and the 6.4 were not the greatest motors Ford decided to go with! That id a unique comboa Ford with a cummins!
@mikeprice2487
2 жыл бұрын
Great video, and you hit it on the head about the trucks being de-rated, if everyone purchased the heavier trucks they would end up having to get commercial licenses.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! They are all de-rated because at anything over 14,000lbs it becomes a commercial vehicle! If you add up the max axle capacity's on both the F 350 and the F450 it is close to 16K worth of axle that is under them! Likely every 1 ton dually out there from all the brands is more capable than 14K!
@badgerpa9
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths I do not know all the Texas but I just glanced and did not see 14K as making it commercial, I am not in Texas so it does not matter for me. Texas has a non commercial license by weight and GCVW I know but not every state has that.
@badgerpa9
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths found Title 7 subsection C Sec. 548.001. (1) (A) list 26,000 pounds combined.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
I was speaking in terms of the Manufactures of the trucks they have to keep it under 14K to make it a Class 3 Truck! Usually at least in Texas a Class 4 and 5 trucks are considered commercial and need commercial insurance to drive even if you're not for hire!
@badgerpa9
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths Actually you can drive a class 8 truck for personal in Texas without a CDL. It went to court a number of years ago, if I can find the info I will attach a link.
@ronnieam33
Жыл бұрын
Ram 3500 are the best for towing full time. That is why 90% of the commercial hotshots use them religiously.
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
While all 3 make great trucks now, the Ford to everyone else ratio is pretty one-sided when it comes to hot shots and RV'S! We see Ford 10-1 on the highways pulling over the other brands!
@josephwillis1370
2 жыл бұрын
You don’t have to run 110psi in the F450 unless you’re loaded down, when you’re running around town air down and it will make it ride smoother.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
The owner of the F450 said no matter what air pressure he runs the truck is considerably rougher than the F350 and tends to wander on the Highway! Still a nice truck but something to consider when deciding which on to get!
@wj2791
Жыл бұрын
What PSI do you recommend for normal driving empty? or 2500 lbs on truck bed?
@josephwillis1370
Жыл бұрын
@@wj2791 I run 65 psi in my F250 front and rear, you could probably get away with 65 psi running empty but keep an eye on your tire wear, if it starts to wear funny, increase 5 or 10 psi at a time till it wears evenly.
@lisahendrix396
Жыл бұрын
Love our turning radius on our King Ranch 450
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
The turning radius is a great feature! We made the video to point out that they are both the same truck but the F450 comes with upgraded parts that reduce its payload capacity!
@cw3394
2 жыл бұрын
Ive been watching your channel for a while now, and have come to the conclusion; I could drink a beer with you. We are full-time as of this week in an east to west Tandara 35' 5th wheel. We are within specs but close. Truck is a 2018 Ram 2500 diesel. We are going to a one ton. I want to stay with RAM, well because Cummins. Problem is the seats in a RAM are awful and Maria's feet fall asleep. So we are looking at Ford. been on the fence with the 350 vs 450. Your video basically reinforced what i already knew. I wish they would make a 350 with the wide track or Ram would fix their seats. Also Why in the heck can you not buy a Ram 4500 with a bed on it? Hipe to catch up with you guys on the road.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I try to film so it feels like you guys are there with me hanging out! I know a lot of RAM guys and they always say the Cummins is awesome, but the rest of the truck will fall apart around you! The turning radius on the F450 is awesome but you can see in all of our videos we take the F350 everywhere exploring and have never had a problem because we couldn't turn! Our problems mostly come from trying to take a dually somewhere it probably shouldn't be!
@cw3394
2 жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths i agree, the only redeeming quality of a RAM is the Cummins. Ive owned a few of them and im afraid this is my last one. Going next week to order at F350. Maybe ill get it within 2 years. We have a local dealer that sells them at MSPR if you order it.
@drostly3220
Жыл бұрын
450 has bigger brakes.. More robust wheel bearings and he front axle wheel bearings are more robust too.. I have a 350 and all that stuff wears out if you are working it.. Air bags on the rear for the 450 isn't a bad idea.. Working on all these big trucks is a workout. Nice video
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! We wanted an F450 but the math never worked for us! We would have always been overweight because of the lower payload numbers on the F450! In the end we realized if you get the F450 pickup version you're not really getting and F450, but and F350 with some extra features! In the end if they would just make an Actual F450 or an F550 with a nice trim level other than work truck that would be a good choice
@drostly3220
Жыл бұрын
@@PavingNewPaths I get you.. A lot is the "crew cab"... If you get a single cab you can make up all that different and more.. If you can stealth out the Def system you can shave another 1000+ out of it.. IF you get a 550 you have a detuned motor to deal with.. Not necessarily bad but its really our government working hand locked with manufactures to put the screw on all of us.. Dealer is happy to keep you coming back to the garage for repairs and the Feds just want to make sure you get the least value for the inputs we make.. It's not sustainable and its coming to a head in the not so distant future.. Best to you guys! Take care now
@TimmyMoza
2 жыл бұрын
That was a great A/B compare. Thanks for all the detail. Well done!
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I love both trucks! But I see a lot of people puling thse big RV'S with the F450 and I know how close we are to maxing out our F350! I made the video to show what it really looks like on the scale!
@davewinter8949
2 жыл бұрын
The 5500 Cummins and the comment at the end really made me laugh. Great video! I appreciate all the hard work you put into it.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! It was a fun day of filming but it took some serious planning and work! It was not hard to convice the 5500 owner to participate once he knew he could make fun of Fords!
@julionoy335
2 жыл бұрын
Great job my friend. Keep up the great content. It would be great to see you create a video across the big three! I haul my camper with my Duramax and Allison 10 speed but I see that Powerstroke and Cummins bring a lot to the table as well! Safe travels.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! It would be awesome to make a video comparing the Ford, Dodge and Chevrolet! I just need someone with the other two, to come hang out with me for a day and film!
@williamopry7967
2 жыл бұрын
next time disconnect the trailer brakes and try a emergency stop test. I'm really interested in the stopping difference.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
I have a theory on that as well! Yes, the brakes on the F450 are bigger but the circumference of the 19.5 inch rims and tires is also larger! If the brakes on the F450 were applied to the same size tires and rims that were on the F350 then I would say the braking power is significantly better! But since it is not apples to apples, I would be willing to bed if there was a way to test the braking capacity, they trucks might be very close to each other in terms of stopping power!
@magmomwise
2 жыл бұрын
I prefer the F450 because of the tighter turning circle and bigger brakes. As far as the weight issue that can be fixed with paying attention to how much cargo you carry. Seriously look at what you take with you when traveling. There is always the what if to justify what to take with you when RVing. ( if you have a 5th wheel camper why do you need a 200lbs + steel hitch bolted to the back of the truck? remove it ) There are so many ways to save weight to stay within the legal weight limit if you try.
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
The F450 is a great truck but you have to realize that the heavier your RV is the better choice is the F350! Now lets talk about the weight, you may not have any context about the video or our channel! We are a fulltime RV living channel and the type of videos we make are based on fulltime RV living subjects! The reason our RV is this weight is because we sold everything we own to travel fulltime, so the weight of the RV is what we have! The reason we decided to make the video is there are a lot of full-timers out there and most of the time the bigger RVs are pulled by F450! We also wanted an F450 but the math always said that we would be overweight! That is why we went with the F350 over the F450! You would be surprised at how heavy the weekend warriors are in the toy haulers! Especially if they have a side by side in the back! It does not take much to overload your trailer or your truck with the size of the RV's these days!
@usmcshepherdE9
Жыл бұрын
Best test I’ve seen on these trucks back to back….great job!
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! We tried hard to show what these big RV'S do to these two truck's!
@4theluvnu
2 жыл бұрын
Great Video Sir!!!!
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@kevinjgillespie
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing such an excellent job on this comparison! You hit every point and did so exceptionally well. There is so much confusion out there on these two trucks and you all cleared all that up very well . I have a 2022 F350 Lariat 6.7L and the reason I went with the F350, (although I wish I could get the front axle on an F350 with 19.5" wheels as an option), is because I have a truck camper that comes in at 4800 pounds and I pull a 16' trailer. I needed the extra payload capacity and I also drive empty a lot so I did not want the 430 gears. I have the 3.55. Nice job and thank you again!
@PavingNewPaths
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I made this video because there is a lot of misinformation out there on these two trucks! The F450 pickup is not the truck you thought you were buying most of the time! Yes, it is nice and has lots of cool upgrades but they take away from the payload capacity! At the end of the day the F450 is just a variant of the F350 but the badge on the side gives it the impression that it is a bigger and better truck!
@allaemmel7809
Жыл бұрын
A F450 has bigger brakes, which will stop a big load faster than a f350. That could be a life changing difference. I went with the F450.
@PavingNewPaths
Жыл бұрын
Do whatever you feel is safest! For us, being heavier meant we should go with the 350 since it has more payload capacity!
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